Let me guess, this is within the normal parameters of xenophobic violence, statistically insignificant and nought to do with Brexit.
I find the reporting of individual cases like this to make some sort of wider point bizarre, mendacious and reprehensible. By contrast, the rape of thousands in Rotherham HAD statistical significance and went unreported for years. It's purely and simply manipulation of people's emotional responses to believe a narrative, helped along by permanently outraged dimwits on social media.
The result of the referendum is seen by some as legitimating both their attitudes and such behaviour, and by others as an opportunity to use such behaviour to apply pressure to our immigrant communities (and to people of different ethnic backgrounds whether they are immigrants or not) e
I'd like to see evidence on that last claim. The Independent had it at a 58% increase in reported acts, nowhere near 100% for most of the country you state. This number is now only 14% above trend (according to the same article), and there is of course the distinction between actual crime and reported crime.
Sectarian violence in Northern Ireland tends to spike around election time. I expect this is a similar phenomenon.
It has undoubtedly spiked, but I just wanted to see evidence for the 200%/300% claim.
We should also consider what would have happened had Remain won. I would guess more incidents but fewer reports.
Because there was a significant spike after the result (with some of the early coverage suggesting five times the normal level of reported incidents) that is now dropping away, there isn't much point in arguing over the figures. Depending on the time period and geography you choose, the increase in incidents can be anything from +25% to +400%. The bottom line is that there has been a dramatic short-run increase, which thankfully is falling off, including some very serious incidents including two recent murders. Many councils including my own have made strong cross-party statements condemning this behaviour and the police and other agencies have acted quickly to try and tackle it. Such actions, together with the passage of time, are hopefully playing their part in slowly trying to get things back to normal. None of this detracts from the original point nor from the seriousness of the murders.
Any evidence for that "doubling in much of the country" claim?
I can't recover where I picked up the doubling figure from, but clearly if there was a fivefold increase in the first week then there must mathematically have been a longer period - probably the first month - during which the increase was double, given that things are slowly returning to normal.
You would get that treatment for speaking with a southern accent in Salford 30 years ag, let alone Polish
I am not excusing any racism, nationalism, and violence, but it is worth bearing in mind that people of Polish descent are now the second largest minority group, and largest foreign born group, and as group on track to overtake British Indians. So Poles will make up a significant fraction of the victims of crime whatever the cause is. Journalists with an axe to grind will find plenty of cases to attribute to xenophobia, but it is prosecutors and courts that will decide if that is correct.
You will however find them performing advanced mental gymnastics after the little people have got it 'wrong', to explain why democracy isn't really about people voting for things.
"Populist" in this context means "perversely pretending to think that 52% is more than 48%."
What really upsets the remoaners is that they were defeated by the 'wrong' sort of people.
Namely working class people 'up north', coastal town 'chavs' and 'rustics' from poor farming areas. All places they have never been to or sometimes even head of before.
These were the top ten Leave areas in Britain:
Boston, South Holland, Castle Point, Thurrock, Yarmouth, Fenland, Mansfield, Bolsover, East Lindsey, NE Lincolnshire
The remoaners are having the same experience that the French and Russian aristocracies had in 1789 and 1917.
More leaver whinging. It's hilarious.
A note for you:
You won
Sorry, but it seems like you haven't noticed.
We won Brexit, but that is just the first battle to win the war to roll back and reverse not just Blairs changes but Wilsons as well. I want to see everything the likes of Roy Jenkins, Peter Mandelson and Tony Crosland stood for and fought for reduced to rubble.
In short, I want the state rolled back to the size it was prior to World War 1
I can see your general point ie the UK out of the EU, spending slashed and grammar schools restored however reversing Jenkins, for example, would mean homosexuality and abortion criminalised again too and don't forget either that Mandelson was part of the first time Blair government which cut spending to its second lowest level in the last half-century (only Thatcher left it lower before she left office)
Abortion, yes I would criminalise again. If you accept that it is killing a very weak and vulnerable individual then there can be no compromise on that. Murder is murder.
Criminalising Homosexuality. That would be wrong. It was only criminalised in response to a Daily Mail like media hoohah in the late 19th century - a time where the state was just beginning to meddle in social affairs in the modern sense and gave a certain type of bullyboy policeman scope to ruin countless lives. Gay Marriage is going too far the other way but I didnt have a problem with civil parterships other than that siblings were and are discriminated against.
I can't recover where I picked up the doubling figure from, but clearly if there was a fivefold increase in the first week then there must mathematically have been a longer period - probably the first month - during which the increase was double, given that things are slowly returning to normal.
Except the Independent reported in the week following it was a 58% increase, which I think was a national figure. Hard to make that into a 100% figure for "most of the country"
Bad, bad week for Hilary timed with the start of early voting in North Carolina so not good news for Hilary. Two interesting trends. Early voting rates massively higher than last election, Dem votes returning at much higher rate.
Perhaps more interesting is how the number of unaffiliated ballots is massively higher than last time, approaching the number of Republicans.
Aye, probably good for Trump as "Independents" usually mans Leans Republican. Romeny won them 55/45 last time out.
"... the police and other agencies have acted quickly to try and tackle it."
That snippet caught me aback. What specifically have the police actually done? Who are these other agencies?
Many local councils have debated the issue at full council meetings and/or issued cross-party statements condemning the outbreak of racist incidents since the referendum, and reassuring their residents from other EU countries that they are welcome here and that their residency and employment status are under no immediate threat. Local press and other media have been encouraged to publicise such initiatives. Many particularly larger employers have done the same for their own workforce; I know of several local employers that have met their EU employees in small groups to talk through their worries and concerns. Both local authorities and local police forces have urged people to report all incidents of abuse or violence and reminded people of the ways in which they can do so, such messages generally reinforced by local media. The police has briefed its patrol officers to be alert to the possibility of such incidents and reissued guidance on how to respond to them. Local authorities have liasied with relevant voluntary sector organisations, such as those that support migrants and refugees, to gather intelligence and co-ordinate their response. Etc. Etc.
You will however find them performing advanced mental gymnastics after the little people have got it 'wrong', to explain why democracy isn't really about people voting for things.
"Populist" in this context means "perversely pretending to think that 52% is more than 48%."
What really upsets the remoaners is that they were defeated by the 'wrong' sort of people.
Namely working class people 'up north', coastal town 'chavs' and 'rustics' from poor farming areas. All places they have never been to or sometimes even head of before.
These were the top ten Leave areas in Britain:
Boston, South Holland, Castle Point, Thurrock, Yarmouth, Fenland, Mansfield, Bolsover, East Lindsey, NE Lincolnshire
We won Brexit, but that is just the first battle to win the war to roll back and reverse not just Blairs changes but Wilsons as well. I want to see everything the likes of Roy Jenkins, Peter Mandelson and Tony Crosland stood for and fought for reduced to rubble.
In short, I want the state rolled back to the size it was prior to World War 1
I can see your general point ie the UK out of the EU, spending slashed and grammar schools restored however reversing Jenkins, for example, would mean homosexuality and abortion criminalised again too and don't forget either that Mandelson was part of the first time Blair government which cut spending to its second lowest level in the last half-century (only Thatcher left it lower before she left office)
Abortion, yes I would criminalise again. If you accept that it is killing a very weak and vulnerable individual then there can be no compromise on that. Murder is murder.
Criminalising Homosexuality. That would be wrong. It was only criminalised in response to a Daily Mail like media hoohah in the late 19th century - a time where the state was just beginning to meddle in social affairs in the modern sense and gave a certain type of bullyboy policeman scope to ruin countless lives. Gay Marriage is going too far the other way but I didnt have a problem with civil parterships other than that siblings were and are discriminated against.
These children who would have been aborted but weren't. Who is going to look after these, sometimes massively dusabled children?
' We won Brexit, but that is just the first battle to win the war to roll back and reverse not just Blairs changes but Wilsons as well. I want to see everything the likes of Roy Jenkins, Peter Mandelson and Tony Crosland stood for and fought for reduced to rubble.
In short, I want the state rolled back to the size it was prior to World War 1' Justin 124 said: 'An end to human decency and civilisation as we know it.Perhaps you are a member of the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory Party .'
David Herdson said:
' That's a disgraceful comment and says a great deal more about you and your perverted worldview than it does about politics.'
Not in the context of the comments at which it was directed.
Oh come off it. There was no justification for that disgraceful comment. You should gave a good long look in a mirror and be ashamed of yourself.
Not at all - and I made no assertion of any kind. My first word was 'Perhaps'.
Well perhaps you are a complete moron. Please don't take that as an insult because I have covered myself with the second word.
Are you really seeking to deny what I have said re- Rothermere and the Monday Club? I could go further and refresh the memories of some who would prefer to forget the Likes of John Carlisle and his attitude to Apartheid.
Can I just add to the growing consensus that you are perhaps a complete twit? I suspect that you do not know what "Arbeit Macht Frei" actually means, but it certainly isn't an item of Nazi doctrine. POerhaps you should stop trying to sound clever.
I have studied German and am well acquainted with the phrase - the origins of which stem from 1933 not the Holocaust.
No they don't. Look it up. You also don't know what "in extremis" means - it doesn't mean "extremely." Look it up.
re- Arbeit Macht frei - 'In 1933 the first political prisoners were being rounded up for an indefinite period without charges. They were held in a number of places in Germany. The slogan was first used over the gate of a "wild camp" in the city of Oranienburg, which was set up in an abandoned brewery in March 1933 (it was later rebuilt in 1936 as Sachsenhausen' From Wilkipedia
' We won Brexit, but that is just the first battle to win the war to roll back and reverse not just Blairs changes but Wilsons as well. I want to see everything the likes of Roy Jenkins, Peter Mandelson and Tony Crosland stood for and fought for reduced to rubble.
In short, I want the state rolled back to the size it was prior to World War 1' Justin 124 said: 'An end to human decency and civilisation as we know it.Perhaps you are a member of the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory Party .'
David Herdson said:
' That's a disgraceful comment and says a great deal more about you and your perverted worldview than it does about politics.'
Not in the context of the comments at which it was directed.
Oh come off it. There was no justification for that disgraceful comment. You should gave a good long look in a mirror and be ashamed of yourself.
Not at all - and I made no assertion of any kind. My first word was 'Perhaps'.
Well perhaps you are a complete moron. Please don't take that as an insult because I have covered myself with the second word.
Are you really seeking to deny what I have said re- Rothermere and the Monday Club? I could go further and refresh the memories of some who would prefer to forget the Likes of John Carlisle and his attitude to Apartheid.
Can I just add to the growing consensus that you are perhaps a complete twit? I suspect that you do not know what "Arbeit Macht Frei" actually means, but it certainly isn't an item of Nazi doctrine. POerhaps you should stop trying to sound clever.
I have studied German and am well acquainted with the phrase - the origins of which stem from 1933 not the Holocaust.
Because there was a significant spike after the result (with some of the early coverage suggesting five times the normal level of reported incidents) that is now dropping away, there isn't much point in arguing over the figures. Depending on the time period and geography you choose, the increase in incidents can be anything from +25% to +400%. The bottom line is that there has been a dramatic short-run increase, which thankfully is falling off, including some very serious incidents including two recent murders. Many councils including my own have made strong cross-party statements condemning this behaviour and the police and other agencies have acted quickly to try and tackle it. Such actions, together with the passage of time, are hopefully playing their part in slowly trying to get things back to normal. None of this detracts from the original point nor from the seriousness of the murders.
You are implying that it's because of the result of the referendum rather than because of its existence.
The result of the referendum is seen by some as legitimating both their attitudes and such behaviour, and by others as an opportunity to use such behaviour to apply pressure to our immigrant communities (and to people of different ethnic backgrounds whether they are immigrants or not) e
I'd like to see evidence on that last claim. The Independent had it at a 58% increase in reported acts, nowhere near 100% for most of the country you state. This number is now only 14% above trend (according to the same article), and there is of course the distinction between actual crime and reported crime.
Sectarian violence in Northern Ireland tends to spike around election time. I expect this is a similar phenomenon.
It has undoubtedly spiked, but I just wanted to see evidence for the 200%/300% claim.
We should also consider what would have happened had Remain won. I would guess more incidents but fewer reports.
Because snip.
Any evidence for that "doubling in much of the country" claim?
I can't recover where I picked up the doubling figure from, but clearly if there was a fivefold increase in the first week then there must mathematically have been a longer period - probably the first month - during which the increase was double, given that things are slowly returning to normal.
Interestingly the headline says "Police log fivefold rise in race-hate complaints since Brexit result."
The text says "Complaints filed to police online hate-crime reporting site True Vision have increased fivefold since last Thursday, the National Police Chiefs Council said, with 331 hate crime incidents reported to the site compared with a weekly average of 63."
Different claims entirely. If you seriously wanted to report a crime to the police you would, I would have thought, ring them up rather than filling in a form on a website. The form, incidentally, will accept anonymous reports.
I have studied German and am well acquainted with the phrase - the origins of which stem from 1933 not the Holocaust.
No they don't. Look it up. You also don't know what "in extremis" means - it doesn't mean "extremely." Look it up.
re- Arbeit Macht frei - 'In 1933 the first political prisoners were being rounded up for an indefinite period without charges. They were held in a number of places in Germany. The slogan was first used over the gate of a "wild camp" in the city of Oranienburg, which was set up in an abandoned brewery in March 1933 (it was later rebuilt in 1936 as Sachsenhausen' From Wilkipedia
From the same article:
"The expression comes from the title of a novel by German philologist Lorenz Diefenbach, Arbeit macht frei: Erzählung von Lorenz Diefenbach (1873), in which gamblers and fraudsters find the path to virtue through labour.[2] "
' We won Brexit, but that is just the first battle to win the war to roll back and reverse not just Blairs changes but Wilsons as well. I want to see everything the likes of Roy Jenkins, Peter Mandelson and Tony Crosland stood for and fought for reduced to rubble.
In short, I want the state rolled back to the size it was prior to World War 1' Justin 124 said: 'An end to human decency and civilisation as we know it.Perhaps you are a member of the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory Party .'
David Herdson said:
' That's a disgraceful comment and says a great deal more about you and your perverted worldview than it does about politics.'
Not in the context of the comments at which it was directed.
Oh come off it. There was no justification for that disgraceful comment. You should gave a good long look in a mirror and be ashamed of yourself.
Not at all - and I made no assertion of any kind. My first word was 'Perhaps'.
Well perhaps you are a complete moron. Please don't take that as an insult because I have covered myself with the second word.
Are you really seeking to deny what I have said re- Rothermere and the Monday Club? I could go further and refresh the memories of some who would prefer to forget the Likes of John Carlisle and his attitude to Apartheid.
Can I just add to the growing consensus that you are perhaps a complete twit? I suspect that you do not know what "Arbeit Macht Frei" actually means, but it certainly isn't an item of Nazi doctrine. POerhaps you should stop trying to sound clever.
I have studied German and am well acquainted with the phrase - the origins of which stem from 1933 not the Holocaust.
No they don't. Look it up. You also don't know what "in extremis" means - it doesn't mean "extremely." Look it up.
re- Arbeit Macht frei - 'In 1933 the first political prisoners were being rounded up for an indefinite period without charges. They were held in a number of places in Germany. The slogan was first used over the gate of a "wild camp" in the city of Oranienburg, which was set up in an abandoned brewery in March 1933 (it was later rebuilt in 1936 as Sachsenhausen' From Wilkipedia
"... the police and other agencies have acted quickly to try and tackle it."
That snippet caught me aback. What specifically have the police actually done? Who are these other agencies?
Many local councils have debated the issue at full council meetings and/or issued cross-pary statements condemning the outbreak of racist incidents since the referendum, and reassuring their residents from other EU countries that they are welcome here and that their residency and employment status are under no immediate threat. Local press and other media have been encouraged to publicise such initiatives. Many particularly larger employers have done the same for their own workforce; I know of several local employers that have met their EU employees in small groups to talk through their worries and concerns. Both local authorities and local police forces have urged people to report all incidents of abuse or violence and reminded people of the ways in which they can do so, such messages generally reinforced by local media. The police has briefed its patrol officers to be alert to the possibility of such incidents and reissued guidance on how to respond to them. Local authorities have liasied with relevant voluntary sector organisations, such as those that support migrants and refugees, to gather intelligence and co-ordinate their response. Etc. Etc.
Mr. B2, so the police have actually done nothing other than reiterating some standing orders. That is hardly moving quickly to tackle a problem.
Frankly, if a Western politician goes into a mosque to address the muslim community, I don't think he or she has too much to complain about if there is segregation of the sexes.
If he's told that's what is going to happen he should pull out and publicise why.
Interestingly the headline says "Police log fivefold rise in race-hate complaints since Brexit result."
The text says "Complaints filed to police online hate-crime reporting site True Vision have increased fivefold since last Thursday, the National Police Chiefs Council said, with 331 hate crime incidents reported to the site compared with a weekly average of 63."
Different claims entirely. If you seriously wanted to report a crime to the police you would, I would have thought, ring them up rather than filling in a form on a website. The form, incidentally, will accept anonymous reports.
That type of self reported data is almost always problematic. The Crime Survey will produce much better data to tell us about what has been happening.
' We won Brexit, but that is just the first battle to win the war to roll back and reverse not just Blairs changes but Wilsons as well. I want to see everything the likes of Roy Jenkins, Peter Mandelson and Tony Crosland stood for and fought for reduced to rubble.
In short, I want the state rolled back to the size it was prior to World War 1' Justin 124 said: 'An end to human decency and civilisation as we know it.Perhaps you are a member of the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory Party .'
David Herdson said:
' That's a disgraceful comment and says a great deal more about you and your perverted worldview than it does about politics.'
Not in the context of the comments at which it was directed.
Oh come off it. There was no justification for that disgraceful comment. You should gave a good long look in a mirror and be ashamed of yourself.
Not at all - and I made no assertion of any kind. My first word was 'Perhaps'.
Well perhaps you are a complete moron. Please don't take that as an insult because I have covered myself with the second word.
Are you really seeking to deny what I have said re- Rothermere and the Monday Club? I could go further and refresh the memories of some who would prefer to forget the Likes of John Carlisle and his attitude to Apartheid.
Can I just add to the growing consensus that you are perhaps a complete twit? I suspect that you do not know what "Arbeit Macht Frei" actually means, but it certainly isn't an item of Nazi doctrine. POerhaps you should stop trying to sound clever.
I have studied German and am well acquainted with the phrase - the origins of which stem from 1933 not the Holocaust.
No they don't. Look it up. You also don't know what "in extremis" means - it doesn't mean "extremely." Look it up.
re- Arbeit Macht frei - 'In 1933 the first political prisoners were being rounded up for an indefinite period without charges. They were held in a number of places in Germany. The slogan was first used over the gate of a "wild camp" in the city of Oranienburg, which was set up in an abandoned brewery in March 1933 (it was later rebuilt in 1936 as Sachsenhausen' From Wilkipedia
Now do you understand why it's disgraceful to claim that the Conservative party has such a tendency, let alone that any individual might belong to it?
Let me guess, this is within the normal parameters of xenophobic violence, statistically insignificant and nought to do with Brexit.
I find the reporting of individual cases like this to make some sort of wider point bizarre, mendacious and reprehensible. By contrast, the rape of thousands in Rotherham HAD statistical significance and went unreported for years. It's purely and simply manipulation of people's emotional responses to believe a narrative, helped along by permanently outraged dimwits on social media.
Frankly, if a Western politician goes into a mosque to address the muslim community, I don't think he or she has too much to complain about if there is segregation of the sexes.
If he's told that's what is going to happen he should pull out and publicise why.
For anyone else struggling for context this was Trudeau at a mosque in Ottawa celebrating Eid 5 days ago.
"... the police and other agencies have acted quickly to try and tackle it."
That snippet caught me aback. What specifically have the police actually done? Who are these other agencies?
Many local councils have debated the issue at full council meetings and/or issued cross-pary statements condemning the outbreak of racist incidents since the referendum, and reassuring their residents from other EU countries that they are welcome here and that their residency and employment status are under no immediate threat. Local press and other media have been encouraged to publicise such initiatives. Many particularly larger employers have done the same for their own workforce; I know of several local employers that have met their EU employees in small groups to talk through their worries and concerns. Both local authorities and local police forces have urged people to report all incidents of abuse or violence and reminded people of the ways in which they can do so, such messages generally reinforced by local media. The police has briefed its patrol officers to be alert to the possibility of such incidents and reissued guidance on how to respond to them. Local authorities have liasied with relevant voluntary sector organisations, such as those that support migrants and refugees, to gather intelligence and co-ordinate their response. Etc. Etc.
Mr. B2, so the police have actually done nothing other than reiterating some standing orders. That is hardly moving quickly to tackle a problem.
Aside from occasional meetings with our local police chiefs I have no particular authority to account for what they have or have not done. Although the cynics and sceptics on PB do appear to be out in force today.
A quick internet search throws up the following as just a few small examples:
"... the police and other agencies have acted quickly to try and tackle it."
That snippet caught me aback. What specifically have the police actually done? Who are these other agencies?
Many local councils have debated the issue at full council meetings and/or issued cross-pary statements condemning the outbreak of racist incidents since the referendum, and reassuring their residents from other EU countries that they are welcome here and that their residency and employment status are under no immediate threat. Local press and other media have been encouraged to publicise such initiatives. Many particularly larger employers have done the same for their own workforce; I know of several local employers that have met their EU employees in small groups to talk through their worries and concerns. Both local authorities and local police forces have urged people to report all incidents of abuse or violence and reminded people of the ways in which they can do so, such messages generally reinforced by local media. The police has briefed its patrol officers to be alert to the possibility of such incidents and reissued guidance on how to respond to them. Local authorities have liasied with relevant voluntary sector organisations, such as those that support migrants and refugees, to gather intelligence and co-ordinate their response. Etc. Etc.
Mr. B2, so the police have actually done nothing other than reiterating some standing orders. That is hardly moving quickly to tackle a problem.
Aside from occasional meetings with our local police chiefs I have no particular authority to account for what they have or have not done. Although the cynics and sceptics on PB do appear to be out in force today.
A quick internet search throws up the following as just a few small examples:
"... the police and other agencies have acted quickly to try and tackle it."
That snippet caught me aback. What specifically have the police actually done? Who are these other agencies?
Many local councils have debated the issue at full council meetings and/or issued cross-pary statements condemning the outbreak of racist incidents since the referendum, and reassuring their residents from other EU countries that they are welcome here and that their residency and employment status are under no immediate threat. Local press and other media have been encouraged to publicise such initiatives. Many particularly larger employers have done the same for their own workforce; I know of several local employers that have met their EU employees in small groups to talk through their worries and concerns. Both local authorities and local police forces have urged people to report all incidents of abuse or violence and reminded people of the ways in which they can do so, such messages generally reinforced by local media. The police has briefed its patrol officers to be alert to the possibility of such incidents and reissued guidance on how to respond to them. Local authorities have liasied with relevant voluntary sector organisations, such as those that support migrants and refugees, to gather intelligence and co-ordinate their response. Etc. Etc.
Mr. B2, so the police have actually done nothing other than reiterating some standing orders. That is hardly moving quickly to tackle a problem.
Aside from occasional meetings with our local police chiefs I have no particular authority to account for what they have or have not done. Although the cynics and sceptics on PB do appear to be out in force today.
A quick internet search throws up the following as just a few small examples:
I just wondered about what the police have actually done, after all you did tell us they moved quickly to address a problem. Now you say you don't know but push me to some news articles. I thought from your original comment you actually did know. Never mind.
The killing, thought to be the first in the UK caused by a schism between Salafi and Sufi Muslims, led to the conviction yesterday of a 21-year-old who was said to have been inspired by Isis. Mohammed Syeedy and his 23-year-old friend, Mohammed Kadir, stalked and attacked Jalal Uddin, 71, because the Sufi scholar was known for his expertise in a form of Islamic healing known as ruqya, whose use is widespread in south Asian communities.
Look at what we've brought to our streets. Absolutely disgusting.
Wasn't this also called a far right hate crime initially?
' We won Brexit, but that is just the first battle to win the war to roll back and reverse not just Blairs changes but Wilsons as well. I want to see everything the likes of Roy Jenkins, Peter Mandelson and Tony Crosland stood for and fought for reduced to rubble.
In short, I want the state rolled back to the size it was prior to World War 1' Justin 124 said: 'An end to human decency and civilisation as we know it.Perhaps you are a member of the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory Party .'
David Herdson said:
'
Not in the context of the comments at which it was directed.
Oh come off it. There was no justification for that disgraceful comment. You should gave a good long look in a mirror and be ashamed of yourself.
Not at all - and I made no assertion of any kind. My first word was 'Perhaps'.
Well perhaps you are a complete moron. Please don't take that as an insult because I have covered myself with the second word.
Are you really seeking to deny what I have said re- Rothermere and the Monday Club? I could go further and refresh the memories of some who would prefer to forget the Likes of John Carlisle and his attitude to Apartheid.
Can I just add to the growing consensus that you are perhaps a complete twit? I suspect that you do not know what "Arbeit Macht Frei" actually means, but it certainly isn't an item of Nazi doctrine. POerhaps you should stop trying to sound clever.
I have studied German and am well acquainted with the phrase - the origins of which stem from 1933 not the Holocaust.
No they don't. Look it up. You also don't know what "in extremis" means - it doesn't mean "extremely." Look it up.
re- Arbeit Macht frei - 'In 1933 the first political prisoners were being rounded up for an indefinite period without charges. They were held in a number of places in Germany. The slogan was first used over the gate of a "wild camp" in the city of Oranienburg, which was set up in an abandoned brewery in March 1933 (it was later rebuilt in 1936 as Sachsenhausen' From Wilkipedia
Now do you understand why it's disgraceful to claim that the Conservative party has such a tendency, let alone that any individual might belong to it?
I'd be very surprised if any element in the Conservatives wants to establish concentration camps.
Bad, bad week for Hilary timed with the start of early voting in North Carolina so not good news for Hilary. Two interesting trends. Early voting rates massively higher than last election, Dem votes returning at much higher rate.
thats good for hilary i would have thought? early voters are normally dems and african american. the birther stuff and msm calling trump a racist, violent liar also helps her
Didn't successful prosecutions show no impact, or even a fall?
If you set up such a reporting site but cleverly don't publicise it there's no crime. Genius! On the other hand if you later do publicise it and people respond then you can report an apparently enormous rise in crime. Oops.
Sadly the police have something of a track record for not noticing or at least not recording crimes going on right under their noses, until they come under public or political pressure to take the particular issue more seriously.
My hunch is that there has been some rise in crimes driven by xenophobia, both before and after the EU referendum, I also suspect that there has been a lot of unreported or unrecorded crimes of that type. Which is why the Crime Survey I mentioned will be useful to tease out what has really been happening.
Let me guess, this is within the normal parameters of xenophobic violence, statistically insignificant and nought to do with Brexit.
I find the reporting of individual cases like this to make some sort of wider point bizarre, mendacious and reprehensible. By contrast, the rape of thousands in Rotherham HAD statistical significance and went unreported for years. It's purely and simply manipulation of people's emotional responses to believe a narrative, helped along by permanently outraged dimwits on social media.
Hmm. You seem quite outraged. Is it permanent?
No, it's only when there's something to be outraged about. Of which media manipulation and those who abet it is definitely one.
How well I remember during Indyref you and your chums going all Nancy Drew whenever there were 'mainstream media slurs' about egg-throwing and intimidation by nasty nats. So anxious to expose the truth. But when the narrative being pushed by them happens to be one of your pet favourites, you actively promote it. That's called moral cowardice.
Let me guess, this is within the normal parameters of xenophobic violence, statistically insignificant and nought to do with Brexit.
I find the reporting of individual cases like this to make some sort of wider point bizarre, mendacious and reprehensible. By contrast, the rape of thousands in Rotherham HAD statistical significance and went unreported for years. It's purely and simply manipulation of people's emotional responses to believe a narrative, helped along by permanently outraged dimwits on social media.
Hmm. You seem quite outraged. Is it permanent?
No, it's only when there's something to be outraged about. Of which media manipulation and those who abet it is definitely one.
How well I remember during Indyref you and your chums going all Nancy Drew whenever there were 'mainstream media slurs' about egg-throwing and intimidation by nasty nats. So anxious to expose the truth. But when the narrative being pushed by them happens to be one of your pet favourites, you actively promote it. That's called moral cowardice.
The killing, thought to be the first in the UK caused by a schism between Salafi and Sufi Muslims, led to the conviction yesterday of a 21-year-old who was said to have been inspired by Isis. Mohammed Syeedy and his 23-year-old friend, Mohammed Kadir, stalked and attacked Jalal Uddin, 71, because the Sufi scholar was known for his expertise in a form of Islamic healing known as ruqya, whose use is widespread in south Asian communities.
Look at what we've brought to our streets. Absolutely disgusting.
Wasn't this also called a far right hate crime initially?
Let me guess, this is within the normal parameters of xenophobic violence, statistically insignificant and nought to do with Brexit.
I find the reporting of individual cases like this to make some sort of wider point bizarre, mendacious and reprehensible. By contrast, the rape of thousands in Rotherham HAD statistical significance and went unreported for years. It's purely and simply manipulation of people's emotional responses to believe a narrative, helped along by permanently outraged dimwits on social media.
Hmm. You seem quite outraged. Is it permanent?
No, it's only when there's something to be outraged about. Of which media manipulation and those who abet it is definitely one.
How well I remember during Indyref you and your chums going all Nancy Drew whenever there were 'mainstream media slurs' about egg-throwing and intimidation by nasty nats. So anxious to expose the truth. But when the narrative being pushed by them happens to be one of your pet favourites, you actively promote it. That's called moral cowardice.
'permanently outraged dimwit'
Yup.
Good on you - they do say admission is the first step toward recovery.
Mr. 1983, wasn't the local MP saying Telford needed a Rotherham-style inquiry?
Was he? Goodness - if only every other bottling incident every weekend in this country resulted in such consternation, we might actually get somewhere as a country.
These children who would have been aborted but weren't. Who is going to look after these, sometimes massively dusabled children?
You could easily extend that comment into an argument for euthanising the disabled, feeble minded and homeless/vagrants - as of course did marie stopes and the other Eugencists and Nazi philosophical fellow travellers who first promoted legalising abortion
The killing, thought to be the first in the UK caused by a schism between Salafi and Sufi Muslims, led to the conviction yesterday of a 21-year-old who was said to have been inspired by Isis. Mohammed Syeedy and his 23-year-old friend, Mohammed Kadir, stalked and attacked Jalal Uddin, 71, because the Sufi scholar was known for his expertise in a form of Islamic healing known as ruqya, whose use is widespread in south Asian communities.
Look at what we've brought to our streets. Absolutely disgusting.
Wasn't this also called a far right hate crime initially?
No doubt Brexit is to blame.
Beats facing up to the reality of what is happening to Europe
These children who would have been aborted but weren't. Who is going to look after these, sometimes massively dusabled children?
You could easily extend that comment into an argument for euthanising the disabled, feeble minded and homeless/vagrants - as of course did marie stopes and the other Eugencists and Nazi philosophical fellow travellers who first promoted legalising abortion
You could. But wouldn't. Now any chance of addressing the question?
Frankly, if a Western politician goes into a mosque to address the muslim community, I don't think he or she has too much to complain about if there is segregation of the sexes.
If he's told that's what is going to happen he should pull out and publicise why.
For anyone else struggling for context this was Trudeau at a mosque in Ottawa celebrating Eid 5 days ago.
To be fair the context is important here. Attending a religious service is different from attending a segregated political rally.
These children who would have been aborted but weren't. Who is going to look after these, sometimes massively dusabled children?
You could easily extend that comment into an argument for euthanising the disabled, feeble minded and homeless/vagrants - as of course did marie stopes and the other Eugencists and Nazi philosophical fellow travellers who first promoted legalising abortion
You could. But wouldn't. Now any chance of addressing the question?
Perhaps you should answer the question as to why it is ok to euthanise the disabled before birth but not after?
As to your question. Ask yourself who looked after the vulnerable and disabled for most of history until the state stuck its nose in.
These children who would have been aborted but weren't. Who is going to look after these, sometimes massively dusabled children?
You could easily extend that comment into an argument for euthanising the disabled, feeble minded and homeless/vagrants - as of course did marie stopes and the other Eugencists and Nazi philosophical fellow travellers who first promoted legalising abortion
You could. But wouldn't. Now any chance of addressing the question?
Perhaps you should answer the question as to why it is ok to euthanise the disabled before birth but not after?
As to your question. Ask yourself who looked after the vulnerable and disabled for most of history until the state stuck its nose in.
"How satisfied or dissatisfied with the way X is doing her job as Y?"
Survation was
"To what extent do you think favourably or unfavourably towards the following political figures? Name Here"
Satisfied/unsatisfied of performance vs. favourable/unfavourable opinion. I wish pollsters would use standardised questions!
These questions also need a sarcasm detector. I think Jeremy Corbyn is doing a fantastic job as leader of the Labour Party (because there will be a huge Conservative majority if he stays in place until the next election).
F1 piece will be up a little later (got some stuff to do first), so here's the tip: Ricciardo to win, Betfair 4.5, hedged at evens.
I also decided to hedge (just for the stake value) Mr. Sandpit's cunning spot on Rosberg to win at 5.9 [currently lay value 1.99].
Thanks for the credit. Always good be on the pole sitter at 5/1, especially at a street circuit. Also on Ricciardo at 4.5, thanks for the tip. Let's hope it doesn't rain! Ps what's the no safety car price, probably should be about 5?
Anyone else tuning into BBC one tonight to see Balls being exposed before a live audience?
Oh yes. And I have a small wager on him at 300/1
Actually, isn't it next week and not tonight?
Oh, I think you might be right. Personally I think people will find Balls of limited amusement value.
Possibly. But the exposure is worth its weight. He has been all over the place this week. I was channel hopping idly last night and there was some rubbish chat show thing centred around Bake Off and Balls was on trying to flip a pancake!
The average joe public will actually know who he is by end of all this. Putting him alongside Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and on a good day Osborne. No other politician gets a look in.
Criminalising Homosexuality. That would be wrong. It was only criminalised in response to a Daily Mail like media hoohah in the late 19th century ...
Well, of course "homosexuality" has never been illegal. You're thinking of gross indecency, which was made illegal in 1885. But buggery had been illegal since 1533, and had been a capital offence until 1861.
Mr. Sandpit, last I checked No Safety Car was precisely 5.
Edited extra bit: did you hedge Rosberg, out of interest?
Not yet. Actually I doubled up at 6.4 after P2 yesterday. Might hedge during the race if he leads the first lap and goes silly odds on. My F1 bets are usually an Ayrton (Senna, tenner) so I tend to bet and forget. Cricket Test bets I take more seriously.
Criminalising Homosexuality. That would be wrong. It was only criminalised in response to a Daily Mail like media hoohah in the late 19th century ...
Well, of course "homosexuality" has never been illegal. You're thinking of gross indecency, which was made illegal in 1885. But buggery had been illegal since 1533, and had been a capital offence until 1861.
"How satisfied or dissatisfied with the way X is doing her job as Y?"
Survation was
"To what extent do you think favourably or unfavourably towards the following political figures? Name Here"
Satisfied/unsatisfied of performance vs. favourable/unfavourable opinion. I wish pollsters would use standardised questions!
Another point about the Ipsos Mori survey, as far as I can tell they didn't weight by 2014 Independence Referendum vote? Which seems totally bonkers right?
Anyone else tuning into BBC one tonight to see Balls being exposed before a live audience?
Oh yes. And I have a small wager on him at 300/1
Actually, isn't it next week and not tonight?
Oh, I think you might be right. Personally I think people will find Balls of limited amusement value.
Possibly. But the exposure is worth its weight. He has been all over the place this week. I was channel hopping idly last night and there was some rubbish chat show thing centred around Bake Off and Balls was on trying to flip a pancake!
The average joe public will actually know who he is by end of all this. Putting him alongside Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and on a good day Osborne. No other politician gets a look in.
But in terms of the Strictly votership I don't think he's old enough to fit into the cuddly old duffer mould, he'll just be shit. I think he's a pretty good candidate for shock exit. Which should be familiar to him.
Bad, bad week for Hilary timed with the start of early voting in North Carolina so not good news for Hilary. Two interesting trends. Early voting rates massively higher than last election, Dem votes returning at much higher rate.
thats good for hilary i would have thought? early voters are normally dems and african american. the birther stuff and msm calling trump a racist, violent liar also helps her
What's interesting is Republican turnout up 234% but Dem is up over 300%! Trump is certainly driving turnout higher.
Bad, bad week for Hilary timed with the start of early voting in North Carolina so not good news for Hilary. Two interesting trends. Early voting rates massively higher than last election, Dem votes returning at much higher rate.
thats good for hilary i would have thought? early voters are normally dems and african american. the birther stuff and msm calling trump a racist, violent liar also helps her
What's interesting is Republican turnout up 234% but Dem is up over 300%! Trump is certainly driving turnout higher.
Bad, bad week for Hilary timed with the start of early voting in North Carolina so not good news for Hilary. Two interesting trends. Early voting rates massively higher than last election, Dem votes returning at much higher rate.
thats good for hilary i would have thought? early voters are normally dems and african american. the birther stuff and msm calling trump a racist, violent liar also helps her
What's interesting is Republican turnout up 234% but Dem is up over 300%! Trump is certainly driving turnout higher.
Do you have a linky for that?
Its there in the twitter link in Alistair's comment. lol
Mr. Sandpit, my stake on this is smaller. I'm still at the pre-wealthy phase of the Four Yorkshiremen
It's all relative. A pint in my local is £9 now, thanks to the devaluation of Sterling. So if I watch at home rather than in the pub, and don't have two pints and a taxi, there's the betting money.
Bad, bad week for Hilary timed with the start of early voting in North Carolina so not good news for Hilary. Two interesting trends. Early voting rates massively higher than last election, Dem votes returning at much higher rate.
thats good for hilary i would have thought? early voters are normally dems and african american. the birther stuff and msm calling trump a racist, violent liar also helps her
What's interesting is Republican turnout up 234% but Dem is up over 300%! Trump is certainly driving turnout higher.
“We will resist in every form possible” and “where we will win will be on the streets” with “direct action”, he continues. This is what he really thinks and proudly repeats, not an unguarded, one-off comment that he later regretted.
I see no particular reason to suppose that any significant Lib Dem revival is on the cards. Most of their very limited set of realistic target marginals are Tory-facing, but Farron has moved the party leftwards and there is no good reason for the Yellow Tory vote that went over to the Conservatives in 2015 to head back - especially for as long as the dominant players in the opposition are so repellent to moderate, gently right-leaning voters. Nobody is going to vote Lib Dem to endorse wet centrism, in the knowledge that they risk Farron letting in a rainbow coalition that will be dominated by the Hard Left and Scottish Nationalists.
For so long as the Conservatives' vote share doesn't drift significantly downwards - and there isn't really anywhere better for all the people who backed Cameron in 2015 to go - then the Lib Dems could take Labour to the cleaners and still get hardly anywhere. Labour's vote in its core territories is so strong, and its parliamentary majorities so huge, that the Lib Dems could steal 50% of all Labour's voters - significantly surpassing them on total vote share in the process - and still end up with only about 40 seats, based on a uniform swing (and would still be outnumbered 3:1 in Parliament by Rump Labour's surviving MPs.) The Tories would actually gain more seats from a dramatic Labour collapse than the Lib Dems would.
The Lib Dems, Greens and Ukip all suffer from the crippling problem, under FPTP, of a lack of a geographic base. Their support is a mile wide (well, after the last election, perhaps only a couple of furlongs wide,) but an inch deep. The Tories, Labour and SNP are the opposite, and predominate accordingly. The Lib Dems need to identify and to build a power base, and they also need a strategy to try to keep themselves from being wiped out again should they ever have another chance to join a coalition. Without both, they exist for no other reason than to self-perpetuate. They might as well give up.
Ah, I remember the Belgian safety car now. Just one of those things.
Mr. Sandpit, indeed, that's why I standardise my records with theoretical £10 stakes for every bet. Makes comparing each year easier.
A sensible way of doing it. I usually run a theoretical book for a while on a new sport, before betting actual cash. If the spreadsheet has more black ink than red ink, then the strategy works - and I haven't lost anything if it's all red!
Actually if you look at the opinion polls, Corbyn is within MOE of the result that Brown got in 2010 and Miliband in 2015. May is within MOE of Cameron's results. Labour are resilient and a loss in 2020 will not kill the party. Yes, they may be weaker but they will win the vast majority of Mayoralties, most of the big cities and most of South Wales and the North. Labour are like cockroaches. As much you moan, you can't get rid of the vermin.
I see no particular reason to suppose that any significant Lib Dem revival is on the cards. Most of their very limited set of realistic target marginals are Tory-facing, but Farron has moved the party leftwards and there is no good reason for the Yellow Tory vote that went over to the Conservatives in 2015 to head back - especially for as long as the dominant players in the opposition are so repellent to moderate, gently right-leaning voters. Nobody is going to vote Lib Dem to endorse wet centrism, in the knowledge that they risk Farron letting in a rainbow coalition that will be dominated by the Hard Left and Scottish Nationalists.
For so long as the Conservatives' vote share doesn't drift significantly downwards - and there isn't really anywhere better for all the people who backed Cameron in 2015 to go - then the Lib Dems could take Labour to the cleaners and still get hardly anywhere. Labour's vote in its core territories is so strong, and its parliamentary majorities so huge, that the Lib Dems could steal 50% of all Labour's voters - significantly surpassing them on total vote share in the process - and still end up with only about 40 seats, based on a uniform swing (and would still be outnumbered 3:1 in Parliament by Rump Labour's surviving MPs.) The Tories would actually gain more seats from a dramatic Labour collapse than the Lib Dems would.
The Lib Dems, Greens and Ukip all suffer from the crippling problem, under FPTP, of a lack of a geographic base. Their support is a mile wide (well, after the last election, perhaps only a couple of furlongs wide,) but an inch deep. The Tories, Labour and SNP are the opposite, and predominate accordingly. The Lib Dems need to identify and to build a power base, and they also need a strategy to try to keep themselves from being wiped out again should they ever have another chance to join a coalition. Without both, they exist for no other reason than to self-perpetuate. They might as well give up.
The flaws in the voting system for failing to provide representation for parties with broad but non-geographical support are well known.
But in theory at least - and leaving aside memory of the coalition - the conditions for LibDem revival couldn't be better. Labour are in existential crisis with a leader who has alienated most of his MPs and with limited appeal to centre-leaning Labour supporters. The Tories have replaced a liberal Tory with someone who is clearly leaning more to the right, and the party is taking us out of Europe against the views of a significant minority of more moderate Tory voters. The Greens are floundering, Corbyn having stolen most of their clothes, and UKIP are in crisis with divisions emerging and their principle purpose almost achieved. Local government by-elections appear to point to a significant resurgence but the national polls remain devoid of any upsurge in LibDem support.
I see no particular reason to suppose that any significant Lib Dem revival is on the cards. Most of their very limited set of realistic target marginals are Tory-facing, but Farron has moved the party leftwards and there is no good reason for the Yellow Tory vote that went over to the Conservatives in 2015 to head back - especially for as long as the dominant players in the opposition are so repellent to moderate, gently right-leaning voters....... The Lib Dems, Greens and Ukip all suffer from the crippling problem, under FPTP, of a lack of a geographic base. Their support is a mile wide (well, after the last election, perhaps only a couple of furlongs wide,) but an inch deep. The Tories, Labour and SNP are the opposite, and predominate accordingly. The Lib Dems need ...a strategy to try to keep themselves from being wiped out again .....
This year was supposed to be one of Lib Dem revival. But apart from adding 45 councillors in May across the UK, they dropped to 1 member in Wales Assembly and 1 in the London Assembly. Barely hanging on. In Scotland they stayed at 5 MSPs. Which is no progress. The regional strength that they used to have in Cornwall now has no MPs. Yet we will be hearing Lib Dem revival claims at their Conference. Delusional.
Let me guess, this is within the normal parameters of xenophobic violence, statistically insignificant and nought to do with Brexit.
I find the reporting of individual cases like this to make some sort of wider point bizarre, mendacious and reprehensible. By contrast, the rape of thousands in Rotherham HAD statistical significance and went unreported for years. It's purely and simply manipulation of people's emotional responses to believe a narrative, helped along by permanently outraged dimwits on social media.
I don't rememeber weekly stabbings, beatings and murders of Polish people before the xenophobia started recently.
Mr. Sandpit, my stake on this is smaller. I'm still at the pre-wealthy phase of the Four Yorkshiremen
It's all relative. A pint in my local is £9 now, thanks to the devaluation of Sterling. So if I watch at home rather than in the pub, and don't have two pints and a taxi, there's the betting money.
I see no particular reason to suppose that any significant Lib Dem revival is on the cards. Most of their very limited set of realistic target marginals are Tory-facing, but Farron has moved the party leftwards and there is no good reason for the Yellow Tory vote that went over to the Conservatives in 2015 to head back - especially for as long as the dominant players in the opposition are so repellent to moderate, gently right-leaning voters....... The Lib Dems, Greens and Ukip all suffer from the crippling problem, under FPTP, of a lack of a geographic base. Their support is a mile wide (well, after the last election, perhaps only a couple of furlongs wide,) but an inch deep. The Tories, Labour and SNP are the opposite, and predominate accordingly. The Lib Dems need to identify and to build a power base, and they also need a strategy to try to keep themselves from being wiped out again should they ever have another chance to join a coalition. Without both, they exist for no other reason than to self-perpetuate. They might as well give up.
This year was supposed to be one of Lib Dem revival. But apart from adding 45 councillors in May across the UK, they dropped to 1 member in Wales Assembly and 1 in the London Assembly. Barely hanging on. In Scotland they stayed at 5 MSPs. Which is no progress. The regional strength that they used to have in Cornwall now has no MPs. Yet we will be hearing Lib Dem revival claims at their Conference. Delusional.
Saw tweet from Farron earlier saying West Country would be their revival...
Let me guess, this is within the normal parameters of xenophobic violence, statistically insignificant and nought to do with Brexit.
I find the reporting of individual cases like this to make some sort of wider point bizarre, mendacious and reprehensible. By contrast, the rape of thousands in Rotherham HAD statistical significance and went unreported for years. It's purely and simply manipulation of people's emotional responses to believe a narrative, helped along by permanently outraged dimwits on social media.
I don't rememeber weekly stabbings, beatings and murders of Polish people before the xenophobia started recently.
Let me guess, this is within the normal parameters of xenophobic violence, statistically insignificant and nought to do with Brexit.
I find the reporting of individual cases like this to make some sort of wider point bizarre, mendacious and reprehensible. By contrast, the rape of thousands in Rotherham HAD statistical significance and went unreported for years. It's purely and simply manipulation of people's emotional responses to believe a narrative, helped along by permanently outraged dimwits on social media.
I don't rememeber weekly stabbings, beatings and murders of Polish people before the xenophobia started recently.
I think there is some question about whether the incidence has increased, or the reporting. I have seen no convincing evidence either way.
Mr. Sandpit, my stake on this is smaller. I'm still at the pre-wealthy phase of the Four Yorkshiremen
It's all relative. A pint in my local is £9 now, thanks to the devaluation of Sterling. So if I watch at home rather than in the pub, and don't have two pints and a taxi, there's the betting money.
£9! Blimey. Are you hobnobbing with Roger in Monte Carlo or somewhere?
Mr. Sandpit, my stake on this is smaller. I'm still at the pre-wealthy phase of the Four Yorkshiremen
It's all relative. A pint in my local is £9 now, thanks to the devaluation of Sterling. So if I watch at home rather than in the pub, and don't have two pints and a taxi, there's the betting money.
Are you paid in Sterling?
Nope, paid in local currency which is tied to the dollar. But there's not a lot of bookies in Dubai so have to use Betfair in Sterling.
Mr. Sandpit, my stake on this is smaller. I'm still at the pre-wealthy phase of the Four Yorkshiremen
It's all relative. A pint in my local is £9 now, thanks to the devaluation of Sterling. So if I watch at home rather than in the pub, and don't have two pints and a taxi, there's the betting money.
£9! Blimey. Are you hobnobbing with Roger in Monte Carlo or somewhere?
It could be worse. Singapore is about £12 a pint now, for those lucky enough to be there watching the F1 this weekend. The way I think of it is that I'm not paying 40% in income tax, so it the beer is more expensive then so be it. The taxi home is much cheaper here, so it balances out.
I see no particular reason to suppose that any significant Lib Dem revival is on the cards. Most of their very limited set of realistic target marginals are Tory-facing, but Farron has moved the party leftwards and there is no good reason for the Yellow Tory vote that went over to the Conservatives in 2015 to head back - especially for as long as the dominant players in the opposition are so repellent to moderate, gently right-leaning voters....... The Lib Dems, Greens and Ukip all suffer from the crippling problem, under FPTP, of a lack of a geographic base. Their support is a mile wide (well, after the last election, perhaps only a couple of furlongs wide,) but an inch deep. The Tories, Labour and SNP are the opposite, and predominate accordingly. The Lib Dems need to identify and to build a power base, and they also need a strategy to try to keep themselves from being wiped out again should they ever have another chance to join a coalition. Without both, they exist for no other reason than to self-perpetuate. They might as well give up.
This year was supposed to be one of Lib Dem revival. But apart from adding 45 councillors in May across the UK, they dropped to 1 member in Wales Assembly and 1 in the London Assembly. Barely hanging on. In Scotland they stayed at 5 MSPs. Which is no progress. The regional strength that they used to have in Cornwall now has no MPs. Yet we will be hearing Lib Dem revival claims at their Conference. Delusional.
Saw tweet from Farron earlier saying West Country would be their revival...
The West Country is eurosceptic, therefore Farron thinks a 2nd referendum etc etc is a winning message. A wtf.
'Rejoice. The Pointing-at Potholes Party is getting back its local mojo.
Doesn't mean they will be considered for national Govt. in the coming couple of decades.'
But if they continue to focus on potholes, bin collections & keeping public toilets open there is definitely a niche for them at local government level.
Mr. Sandpit, my stake on this is smaller. I'm still at the pre-wealthy phase of the Four Yorkshiremen
It's all relative. A pint in my local is £9 now, thanks to the devaluation of Sterling. So if I watch at home rather than in the pub, and don't have two pints and a taxi, there's the betting money.
Are you paid in Sterling?
Nope, paid in local currency which is tied to the dollar. But there's not a lot of bookies in Dubai so have to use Betfair in Sterling.
So a pint cost the same as it did before? Unless you are paying extra for beer from the UK!
' We won Brexit, but that is just the first battle to win the war to roll back and reverse not just Blairs changes but Wilsons as well. I want to see everything the likes of Roy Jenkins, Peter Mandelson and Tony Crosland stood for and fought for reduced to rubble.
In short, I want the state rolled back to the size it was prior to World War 1' Justin 124 said: 'An end to human decency and civilisation as we know it.Perhaps you are a member of the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory Party .'
David Herdson said:
' That's a disgraceful comment and says a great deal more about you and your perverted worldview than it does about politics.'
Not in the context of the comments at which it was directed.
Oh come off it. There was no justification for that disgraceful comment. You should gave a good long look in a mirror and be ashamed of yourself.
Not at all - and I made no assertion of any kind. My first word was 'Perhaps'.
Well perhaps you are a complete moron. Please don't take that as an insult because I have covered myself with the second word.
Are you really seeking to deny what I have said re- Rothermere and the Monday Club? I could go further and refresh the memories of some who would prefer to forget the Likes of John Carlisle and his attitude to Apartheid.
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I have studied German and am well acquainted with the phrase - the origins of which stem from 1933 not the Holocaust.
No they don't. Look it up. You also don't know what "in extremis" means - it doesn't mean "extremely." Look it up.
re- Arbeit Macht frei - 'In 1933 the first political prisoners were being rounded up for an indefinite period without charges. They were held in a number of places in Germany. The slogan was first used over the gate of a "wild camp" in the city of Oranienburg, which was set up in an abandoned brewery in March 1933 (it was later rebuilt in 1936 as Sachsenhausen' From Wilkipedia
Now do you understand why it's disgraceful to claim that the Conservative party has such a tendency, let alone that any individual might belong to it?
Not at all - the term had already appeared at concentration camps by the time Rothermere and others were advocating a deal with Hitler. A Tory MP - Archibald Ramsay - was actually locked up in 1940 for his fascist sympathies.
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Edited extra bit: he's been called to the stewards.
I can't recover where I picked up the doubling figure from, but clearly if there was a fivefold increase in the first week then there must mathematically have been a longer period - probably the first month - during which the increase was double, given that things are slowly returning to normal.
"... the police and other agencies have acted quickly to try and tackle it."
That snippet caught me aback. What specifically have the police actually done? Who are these other agencies?
Criminalising Homosexuality. That would be wrong. It was only criminalised in response to a Daily Mail like media hoohah in the late 19th century - a time where the state was just beginning to meddle in social affairs in the modern sense and gave a certain type of bullyboy policeman scope to ruin countless lives. Gay Marriage is going too far the other way but I didnt have a problem with civil parterships other than that siblings were and are discriminated against.
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/777105626623336448
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/fff_.pdf
From Wilkipedia
The text says "Complaints filed to police online hate-crime reporting site True Vision have increased fivefold since last Thursday, the National Police Chiefs Council said, with 331 hate crime incidents reported to the site compared with a weekly average of 63."
Different claims entirely. If you seriously wanted to report a crime to the police you would, I would have thought, ring them up rather than filling in a form on a website. The form, incidentally, will accept anonymous reports.
"The expression comes from the title of a novel by German philologist Lorenz Diefenbach, Arbeit macht frei: Erzählung von Lorenz Diefenbach (1873), in which gamblers and fraudsters find the path to virtue through labour.[2] "
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1367060-poll-ruth-davidson-more-popular-with-scots-than-sturgeon/
Ipsos poll was
"How satisfied or dissatisfied with the way X is doing her job as Y?"
Survation was
"To what extent do you think favourably or unfavourably towards the following political figures? Name Here"
Dads Army tune(amended) into Jerusalem.
You seem quite outraged. Is it permanent?
Medics on standby?
A quick internet search throws up the following as just a few small examples:
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/national/14582169.Police_on_hate_crime_alert_over_post_Brexit_vote__racist_incidents_/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/26/police-watchdog-to-investigate-response-to-hate-crime
https://www.rt.com/uk/348505-hate-crime-rise-brexit/
http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/14590231.Cumbria_Police_issue_hate_crime_warning_following_Brexit_vote_incidents/
Didn't successful prosecutions show no impact, or even a fall?
Anyone can report a frequent Twitterer fulfilling the Cameron Prophecy and being dreadfully offended.
The killing, thought to be the first in the UK caused by a schism between Salafi and Sufi Muslims, led to the conviction yesterday of a 21-year-old who was said to have been inspired by Isis. Mohammed Syeedy and his 23-year-old friend, Mohammed Kadir, stalked and attacked Jalal Uddin, 71, because the Sufi scholar was known for his expertise in a form of Islamic healing known as ruqya, whose use is widespread in south Asian communities.
Look at what we've brought to our streets. Absolutely disgusting.
Wasn't this also called a far right hate crime initially?
Intersting point about the Survation poll. It continues the trend of, in the Unweighted Demogarphics, of finding more 2014 Yes voters than No voters.
Sadly the police have something of a track record for not noticing or at least not recording crimes going on right under their noses, until they come under public or political pressure to take the particular issue more seriously.
My hunch is that there has been some rise in crimes driven by xenophobia, both before and after the EU referendum, I also suspect that there has been a lot of unreported or unrecorded crimes of that type. Which is why the Crime Survey I mentioned will be useful to tease out what has really been happening.
How well I remember during Indyref you and your chums going all Nancy Drew whenever there were 'mainstream media slurs' about egg-throwing and intimidation by nasty nats. So anxious to expose the truth. But when the narrative being pushed by them happens to be one of your pet favourites, you actively promote it. That's called moral cowardice.
Yup.
Betting PostF1 piece will be up a little later (got some stuff to do first), so here's the tip:
Ricciardo to win, Betfair 4.5, hedged at evens.
I also decided to hedge (just for the stake value) Mr. Sandpit's cunning spot on Rosberg to win at 5.9 [currently lay value 1.99].
As to your question. Ask yourself who looked after the vulnerable and disabled for most of history until the state stuck its nose in.
Ps what's the no safety car price, probably should be about 5?
The average joe public will actually know who he is by end of all this. Putting him alongside Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and on a good day Osborne. No other politician gets a look in.
http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2016/09/14/the-progressive-alliance-myth/
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/singapore-pre-race-2016.html
Bit pressed for time, so do excuse any mistakes.
Edited extra bit: did you hedge Rosberg, out of interest?
My F1 bets are usually an Ayrton (Senna, tenner) so I tend to bet and forget. Cricket Test bets I take more seriously.
Mr. Sandpit, my stake on this is smaller. I'm still at the pre-wealthy phase of the Four Yorkshiremen
http://hurryupharry.org/2016/09/15/john-joker-mcdonnell/
“We will resist in every form possible” and “where we will win will be on the streets” with “direct action”, he continues. This is what he really thinks and proudly repeats, not an unguarded, one-off comment that he later regretted.
Quite
Mr. Sandpit, indeed, that's why I standardise my records with theoretical £10 stakes for every bet. Makes comparing each year easier.
For so long as the Conservatives' vote share doesn't drift significantly downwards - and there isn't really anywhere better for all the people who backed Cameron in 2015 to go - then the Lib Dems could take Labour to the cleaners and still get hardly anywhere. Labour's vote in its core territories is so strong, and its parliamentary majorities so huge, that the Lib Dems could steal 50% of all Labour's voters - significantly surpassing them on total vote share in the process - and still end up with only about 40 seats, based on a uniform swing (and would still be outnumbered 3:1 in Parliament by Rump Labour's surviving MPs.) The Tories would actually gain more seats from a dramatic Labour collapse than the Lib Dems would.
The Lib Dems, Greens and Ukip all suffer from the crippling problem, under FPTP, of a lack of a geographic base. Their support is a mile wide (well, after the last election, perhaps only a couple of furlongs wide,) but an inch deep. The Tories, Labour and SNP are the opposite, and predominate accordingly. The Lib Dems need to identify and to build a power base, and they also need a strategy to try to keep themselves from being wiped out again should they ever have another chance to join a coalition. Without both, they exist for no other reason than to self-perpetuate. They might as well give up.
But in theory at least - and leaving aside memory of the coalition - the conditions for LibDem revival couldn't be better. Labour are in existential crisis with a leader who has alienated most of his MPs and with limited appeal to centre-leaning Labour supporters. The Tories have replaced a liberal Tory with someone who is clearly leaning more to the right, and the party is taking us out of Europe against the views of a significant minority of more moderate Tory voters. The Greens are floundering, Corbyn having stolen most of their clothes, and UKIP are in crisis with divisions emerging and their principle purpose almost achieved. Local government by-elections appear to point to a significant resurgence but the national polls remain devoid of any upsurge in LibDem support.
The regional strength that they used to have in Cornwall now has no MPs. Yet we will be hearing Lib Dem revival claims at their Conference. Delusional.
BBC - Beats and barbecues at the Notting Hill Carnival
Bet you can’t guess what links these two, at first glance, unconnected articles?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37215331
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=ssl&ei=V33dV4vVGo_DaM-ruLgD#q=bbc+nottinghill+carnival
The way I think of it is that I'm not paying 40% in income tax, so it the beer is more expensive then so be it. The taxi home is much cheaper here, so it balances out.
'Rejoice. The Pointing-at Potholes Party is getting back its local mojo.
Doesn't mean they will be considered for national Govt. in the coming couple of decades.'
But if they continue to focus on potholes, bin collections & keeping public toilets open there is definitely a niche for them at local government level.