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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Anorak, if you really think the impact of Atos has been marginal, and just a case of the odd 'winner and loser' here and there, then you're living on a different planet. I've already characterised the true effect of the Atos evil, but my words were deleted.

    Let's say several million people affected, several hundred much worse off. Not a bad ratio when you think of the benefit to the country and the economy and all our futures. As I said, imaging a change of this scale should be made with everyone happy and bluebirds landing on their shoulders to join in a jolly song is simplistic in the extreme.
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    Yes, clearly it was too much to ask. Disqus, Vanilla...same old PB.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    @JamesKelly


    Just quote the wiki entry. It's backed up by sources though it admittedly only scratches the surface of the repulsive and vicious things they have done.

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Just caught up with a thread from yesterday where I commented that it was a bit daft to judge whether IDS can live on £57pw by his expenses claims to find some idiot called Mick Pork responded

    "so you are another one who thinks all benefit claimants are child killers"

    Seriously, WTF is that all about?? Just about the strawiest of straw men arguments in history. What an idiotic comment.

    Is there an 'ignore' button anywhere on this blog?

    Why are you lying?

    You do realise it's very easy for me to get your exact words which do put the subsequent comment into context.

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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,236
    edited April 2013
    @ShambLOLes

    <blockquote class="Quote" rel="ShambLOLes"> Is there an 'ignore' button anywhere on this blog? </blockquote>

    Only 3 comments and whining about an ignore button already? You'll fit in just fine.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2013

    @ShambLOLes

    Is there an 'ignore' button anywhere on this blog?

    Only 3 comments and whining about an ignore button already? You'll fit in just fine.

    I hardly think he's new. His name however is.

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    @MickPork - Well I don't know how to as I'm hopeless at IT, but please do as there is nothing in the context that makes any difference to the idiocy or irrelevance of your response whatsoever.

    If anyone else wants to, it's half way down the South Shields thread, i'd be very grateful to anyone who can reproduce the exchange to demonstrate just who's lying here.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Crikey

    Anti-rape underwear which delivers a 3,800 kilovolt shock to any would-be attacker has been created by a team of Indian engineering students.

    After disabling the assailant, the undergarment has been designed to automatically send a text message to police or family members containing the GPS location of the attempted crime.

    Pressure sensors on the garment, sewn in around the bust area, detect unwanted force and trigger the powerful shock. It can deliver up to 82 electric shocks, more than enough to disable any attacker.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303287/Indian-engineers-invent-anti-rape-underwear-gives-attackers-electric-shocks-automatically-texts-police-help.html#ixzz2PPkZLcXU

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    I really think this question has come six years too early.

    It might be worthy of idle speculation as the nation considers the prospects of a third term of coalition government in May 2019 but Mr Goodman clearly allowed his mind to wander as he mused on the prospect of life on £53 a week should Ed become Prime Minister any time soon.

    Huzzah for the Coalition 2010-2020 .... at the very least !!
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    BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    taffys said:

    I've said this before, but what the left need to do is come up with an anti-philpott, a genuine honest person or people who is suffering real hardship whilst on benefits, and is set to suffer more after the cuts. They need to personalise the debate.

    If the left's analysis of welfare is correct they should be spoilt for choice. But they can't seem to find anybody.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JMvLDScorg
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    BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Wow. Post a Youtube link and the whole screen comes up embedded.

    Cool.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates that isn't the only aggravating factor they take into account.

    Yes. Other major ones include the brevity of the attack (brief, in this case) and whether a weapon was use (no, in this case).
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2013
    ShambLOLes said:

    is one of the stupidest comments ever posted on PB.

    And there is considerable competition.

    Another one who seemingly has no problem with equating those on benefits to child killers I see.

    Surprise, surprise.
    There you go.
    Far from out of the blue it was contrasting your esteemed and supposedly new judgement of the "stupidest comments ever posted on PB" with someone who had previously commented to the effect of equating those on benefits with the child killer Philpott. Comments which had already been scorned at by those who show considerably more judgement than you do. There were also remarks saying there was a deafening silence when it came to many others saying those Philpott comments were problematic or just plain stupid. Hence the contrast between what you found stupid and problematic and the lack of a problem with comments that others were finding far more 'stupid'.

    If you need everything explained to you perhaps you could find someone else to help you or try reading through a thread to properly understand it so you won't jump to the wrong conclusions. If you ignore all the other comments then this kind of thing will happen. At least you have demonstrated an ignore button is superfluous when it comes to yourself since you can do so admirably when it suits you.
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    hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    BenM said:

    Wow. Post a Youtube link and the whole screen comes up embedded.

    Cool.

    It would never have happened under Labour, Ben.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. 67, the only way the debt would not have increased under the Coalition would be if they had made immediate and permanent cuts of a genuinely substantial nature.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2013
    Lots of Twitter rumours about ING right now - are they are the brink? Or is it an IT screw up that's caught attention?
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    On Topic: I think pretty much whatever the Tories do now they are unlikely to win a majority in 2015. So they should think and act politically. That means they must leave behind traps in the shape of decisions that benefit the country and will be difficult if not impossible for Labour to reverse.

    LAbour had the top tax rate at 40p for their whole time apart from 10 minutes before it was celar they were toast in 2010 and put it up to 50p. Now they are reaping the benefits of 'tax cuts for millionaires' headlines. Utterly cynical but effective.

    Our debt is 1.4 trillion = 90%GDP now. We simply have to pare back the state pretty radically. That seems incomatible with getting elected. BUt if you're toast anyway there should be measures to leave behind a la top tax which will leave Redward in a dilemma - leave or reverse.

    Labour seem to have no policies now - or none that they are prepared to share with the electorate, so all sorts of hopes are being foist upon them. The realities of teh debt market and interest rates in a world where our debt exceeds 100%GDP will predominate. The lefty disappointments will be huge - and just as Brown's departing moves helped set the stage for a LAbour win in 2015 I think Dave n Ozzy's departing moves can line up a Tory win in about 2018.
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    Is it possible to edit posts in Vanilla?
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Plato said:

    Lots of Twitter rumours about ING right now - are they are the brink? Or is it an IT screw up that's caught attention?

    My old ING account is now owned by Barclays - I haven't got more than €100k so I'm relaxed.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. Patrick, yes.

    Hover your cursor over a post you made and a cog will appear in the top-right. Click it to edit (only works 1 hour after posting).
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    GasmanGasman Posts: 132
    I don't know if this has been covered before, but is there a way to change Vanilla to oldest post first?

    Also is anyone producing a widget?
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    hucks67 said:
    If you take a look at the second graph, the gross debt (net is more usual) measure flatters the government, since it shows a decline about 40% since the coalition took power. Indeed of the many graphs I've seen it shows the most consistent improvement even through the second dip of the recession (if indeed there was one).

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    TGOHF said:



    First rule of Pork club is that nobody understands Pork club.

    It's a stream of Romneyshambles jargon and in jokes about the CoTE channeling Prince Joffrey that can be understood by single person - Porky paper hater himself.

    " and in jokes about the CoTE channeling Prince Joffrey"

    Harry - Your case would be bolstered somewhat if I had ever once mentioned this "Prince Joffrey" until right now. Would I be right in thinking this is some fictional child prince from a TV fantasy? I fear you are revealing far more about yourself than me if that is indeed the case.

    What in jokes you may harbour about Osborne and this fantasy child prince are no doubt intriguing but not actually my concern.

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Mick_Pork said:

    TGOHF said:



    First rule of Pork club is that nobody understands Pork club.

    It's a stream of Romneyshambles jargon and in jokes about the CoTE channeling Prince Joffrey that can be understood by single person - Porky paper hater himself.

    " and in jokes about the CoTE channeling Prince Joffrey"

    Harry - Your case would be bolstered somewhat if I had ever once mentioned this "Prince Joffrey" until right now. Would I be right in thinking this is some fictional child prince from a TV fantasy? I fear you are revealing far more about yourself than me if that is indeed the case.

    What in jokes you may harbour about Osborne and this fantasy child prince are no doubt intriguing but not actually my concern.

    https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIX1AwvuY224Ab7r_tneP2eI97cP0WCv51Q0bbpi3FD5xrJvYv
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    currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    tim
    12:46PM
    @currystar


    The Govts own impact assessment states there's a mismatch of 240,000 people of working age needing smaller properties.
    Many of the one bedroomed flats you are talking about are of course specifically for the elderly.
    And again the Govts own impact assessment points out that those geographical areas with overcrowding issues are not the same as those with under-occupancy.

    I assume you are having a laugh, if you know anything about social housing you will know that if you are in accommodation that has more bedrooms than you require and you are prepared to trade down to smaller accommodation whether via the tenants incentive scheme, a transfer through allocation policies (where people willing to move to smaller accommodation are given maximum points) or through a mutual exchange, then it will happen quickly, it always has, it always will. Do you really think that that man who starred on BBC News who said that he would be homeless because he couldn't afford his three bedroom house in which he had sole occupation, would not be moved to a one bedroom flat if he asked his landlord? They would snap his hand off, they would pay for his move, they have families living in B & B accommodation desperate for his flat.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited April 2013
    tim said:

    @hucks67

    Not sure we have a PM who understands

    David Cameron given a lecture on 'debt' and 'deficit' by top statistics official.

    A lecture, tim?

    So Rachel Reeves (the made-over one who has had more voice training in recent months than Boy George has had hot dinners) writes to the UK National Statistics Authority asking it to clarify the difference between debt and deficit in response to an alleged public misstatement by the Prime Minister.

    The Authority responds by letter with a copy to Downing Street. All in a day's work for Dilnot.

    Now Labour claim this is a "lecture".

    Perhaps Reeves ought first to acknowledge that the ONS produces many measures of debt (Gross vs. Net; Cash based vs. Accrued; Including vs. Excluding Financial Interventions; Nominal vs. Seasonally Adjusted; Nominal vs.inflation adjusted; as indices; as ratios of GDP etc).

    And this is before we start considering the many similar measures the ONS produce on the "deficit". The arcane world of National Accounting also means that certain intra-sector lending is excluded from the figures, as are contingent liabilities (e.g. pension obligations) and guarantees are not accounted for at all.

    All this means tim is that one has to read many hundred pages of explanatory notes issued by the ONS (and SNA and ESA) to really understand what they are going on about.

    Cameron has eschewed all this nonsense and quite rightly and defensibly announced that his government is paying down the debts.

    You just need to choose the right measure to justify Cameron's claim in the same way that Rachel Reeves is choosing the right vowels when speaking in the broadcast media.

    Easy, innit?
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Plato - anti-rape underwear


    Manna from heaven for the gag writer....
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,057
    Off-topic:

    ANA will not fly passengers on the 787 when it returns to service after Boeing's battery woes. Instead, they'll initially fly freight only.

    I must admit to being rather wary about Boeing's 'fixes' to the problems. As they haven't discovered the root cause of the battery fires, they've gone for mitigation to stop any damage if they do catch fire. (*)

    The 787's woes in development, production and service makes Airbus's A380 look a model of good management and engineering.

    http://northcharleston.patch.com/articles/latest-news-on-boeing-787-dreamliner

    (*) Basically. As is often the case, it is more complex than that.
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    NoSpaceNameNoSpaceName Posts: 132

    Public Policy Polling research finds 37 per cent of Americans think global warming is a hoax, while 11 per cent of the population believe the US government allowed September 11 to happen

    The impressive thing about this is that they're getting decent numbers for quite a wide range of conspiracy theories from left and right, so they've almost definitely got a majority of Americans believing something seriously nuts. And that's before we even start on the traditional, accepted invisible-super-hero-related bonkers.
    I can never decide with some of those questions how much it is people pulling the leg of borderline ridiculous questions. I can think of a few people I know who might say they believe the Moon Landings were faked, for example, just for a laugh. I was one of the people who jokingly put themselves down as Jedi in the 2001 census.

    Sometimes if you ask a silly question you will receive a silly answer.
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Brent Crude down 2.4% so far - after NY came online.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    @BenM - Ed Miliband is going to sort out Global Warming?

    Wow.

    What about his second term? Eradicate world poverty, sort out the Israel/Palestine issue, bring democracy to North Korea, and eradicate corruption in Africa?


    That would only take two episodes for Ed "West Wing" Miliband
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Apparently one in four violent crimes only gets a caution.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mick_Pork said:



    " and in jokes about the CoTE channeling Prince Joffrey"

    Harry - Your case would be bolstered somewhat if I had ever once mentioned this "Prince Joffrey" until right now. Would I be right in thinking this is some fictional child prince from a TV fantasy? I fear you are revealing far more about yourself than me if that is indeed the case.

    What in jokes you may harbour about Osborne and this fantasy child prince are no doubt intriguing but not actually my concern.

    I think he's the younger brother of the Sultan of Brunei, rich and not very clever.

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    carlcarl Posts: 750
    Wonder what the Class Calculator would make of Cameron and Osborne?
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,933
    Add me to the list of Elite PBers.
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    @NoSpace

    You are absolutely right, No.

    The Daily Mail used to specialise in silly and often tendentious polls. I recall that one day it asked its readers to vote on whether it was alright for immigrants to queue jump hospital waiting lists. It prompted an internet conspiracy to vote Yes in massive numbers.

    I think it stopped doing them after that.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Charles said:

    @BenM - Ed Miliband is going to sort out Global Warming?

    Wow.

    What about his second term? Eradicate world poverty, sort out the Israel/Palestine issue, bring democracy to North Korea, and eradicate corruption in Africa?


    That would only take two episodes for Ed "West Wing" Miliband
    He will be helped by the "Saudi Arabia of renewables" North of the border. Or Not.
    Alex Salmond is ready to back “turbine-free areas”, protecting some of Scotland’s most dramatic mountain scenery from the onward march of wind farms, it emerged last night.
    Times
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    @MickPork - Wow, you really are full of crap aren't you? Courtesy of my son who's brighter than me, here the full exchange:

    Your initial post:


    Osbrowne leading the charge with a Romney master strategy on welfare.

    How he's going to pull that one off when the toxic liability will be hiding during the next election campaign (just like the last time) doesn't seem to even have occurred to the tea party tories. As usual.

    The quiet man who the tories dumped after his 'inspirational leadership' racks up 300,000 on an e-petition quicker than an MP can claim expenses for bluetooth headset.

    Like this one.
    Iain Duncan Smith has claimed he could live on £53 per week - the amount given to some benefit claimants. The Work and Pensions Secretary said he could survive on £7.57 per day if he "had to", as he defended a raft of cuts to welfare payments coming into force today.

    He'd have to cut back a bit if he did so. According to his parliamentary expenses, he spent £110 - two week's worth of benefits - on a Bose bluetooth headset for his car, and another £12.42 on a USB cable (I mean, come on, who spends more than a fiver on a USB cable?). His monthly phone bill has been over £53 every month in the latest financial year, so that's another week each month he can't eat, travel, heat his house or, really do anything. And given he can claim for travel, he may have forgotten that that £5.30 he spent on taking one tube trip within his constituency also comes out of the £53. Just ten of them and he'd go hungry.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    To which I responded:


    I don't know who the moron is that Pork is quoting, but suggesting that IDS couldn't survive on benefits because the expenses he incurs in the course of his employment exceed what he would receive in benefits, is one of the stupidest comments ever posted on PB.

    And there is considerable competition.
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    To which you responded:


    ShambLOLes said:
    is one of the stupidest comments ever posted on PB.

    And there is considerable competition.

    Another one who seemingly has no problem with equating those on benefits to child killers I see.

    Surprise, surprise.
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    I'll leave it to other posters to decide with that is a valid response or whether you're a complete idiot. I'm going with the latter
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I did the Class Calculator. Apparently, I'm a member of the Bilderberg Group and the Illuminati.
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    Anorak -

    "Let's say several million people affected, several hundred much worse off."

    You're only a few hundred thousand out.
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    "Wonder what the Class Calculator would make of Cameron and Osborne?"

    Is it equipped to cope with that kind of extreme level of wealth and privilege?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,373
    AveryLP said:



    Rachel Reeves

    Ejaculation Nation? (blushes)

    OMG did I just press "send"??

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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    Much as I dislike Osborne's 'accent' (I've noticed it well before yesterday and it was apparent during the budget), it was tim's hero Blair (Fettes, Oxford) who inititated this absurd linguistic dressing down. If only everyone could speak like my fellow pbTory Neil!
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    JamesKellyJamesKelly Posts: 1,348
    "If only everyone could speak like my fellow pbTory Neil!"


    Perhaps we should all become "Greens" so we can take lessons from him.
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    @Sunil

    Yes you did

    Rachel Reeves

    Ejaculation Nation? (blushes)


    More like 'Somnambulation Nation' (well unless your a horse I suppose)
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,289
    edited April 2013
    Guido having fun with our leaders and their school days.

    http://order-order.com/2013/04/03/watch-david-camerons-school-days/
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,373
    When I first heard of "Class Calculator" I thought it was a means of quickly identifying rolling stock on the railway :)
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,289
    @Sunil_Prasannan.

    The class calculator classic example of GIGO.

    Not even pullman class.
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523



    Oh really

    A MUGGER told police he had "a daft moment" when he snatched an elderly woman's handbag containing her pension money.

    Shaun Bate struck as the 77-year-old walked home from the post office and shops in Hartlepool, Teesside Crown Court heard.

    He was yesterday jailed for 16 months by a judge who told him: "I would be failing in my duty if I did not send you away."

    http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/crime/10321180.Mugger_jailed_for_snatching_elderly_woman_s_handbag/

    or

    Police in Bradford have vowed they will not tolerate violent robberies after a gang of muggers were locked up for a total of more than 20 years.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/10115542.Violent_gang_of_muggers_jailed_for_20_years_for_vicious_street_attack_in_Bradford/

    or

    Masked mugger jailed over knifepoint robbery attempt in Burnley

    http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/burnleypendlerossendale/10313529.Masked_mugger_jailed_over_knifepoint_robbery_attempt_in_Burnley/

    The third one:

    http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/burnleypendlerossendale/10313529.Masked_mugger_jailed_over_knifepoint_robbery_attempt_in_Burnley/

    "The defendant had 36 offences on his record." The other two don't say how much previous they had.

    If this was the 50s the third one would still be in stir for one of those earlier convictions and would never have committed the other 30 or so that are known about (plus all the others that aren't known about).
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    Peter_2Peter_2 Posts: 146

    @NoSpace

    You are absolutely right, No.

    The Daily Mail used to specialise in silly and often tendentious polls. I recall that one day it asked its readers to vote on whether it was alright for immigrants to queue jump hospital waiting lists. It prompted an internet conspiracy to vote Yes in massive numbers.

    I think it stopped doing them after that.

    Time magazine used to do it too. It arranged a poll for Man (Woman) of the Century. Unfortunattely for them the results did not fit the narrative (Living Saint, some other guy...). Instead thanks to an enormous push in Turkey Ataturk won. Think poll results were not taken into account.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,373
    BBC2 at 9pm:

    Hillsborough - Never Forgotten
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    @Peter

    Ataturk!!! LOL.

    But then I suppose it's not a lot different from Ryan Giggs winning Sports Personality Of The Year
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    FPT
    Hard to know what to make of the whole Philpott thing - the spin part not the crime part. Could be reasonably popular for a while in or near old steel and coal type places where there are whole areas that descended into the Shameless culture after all the work disappeared at once and to a lesser extent elsewhere where the percentage of people like that is smaller.

    However even if it's a net positive for a while (not sure either way) i think it'll be a blip as driving wages down with immigration, inflation and off-shoring is pushing more and more people into the safety net bracket and the banksta wing of the Tories so obviously salivating at the prospect of destroying the safety net aspect as well as the lifestyle-choice aspect means the Tories as a party are doomed unless they can get rid of the banksta influence.
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    samsam Posts: 727
    edited April 2013

    @Peter

    Ataturk!!! LOL.

    But then I suppose it's not a lot different from Ryan Giggs winning Sports Personality Of The Year



    One of my mates who normally bets in £20 had a grand on Jenson Button to win that year... Giggs scored one goal I think and soon after was found shagging his brothers missus! How's yer Donald?!!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. Punter, Button must've been pissed. That was the year he won the title.

    Mr. Sam, that must've hurt.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    @Peter

    Ataturk!!! LOL.

    But then I suppose it's not a lot different from Ryan Giggs winning Sports Personality Of The Year

    Didn't Diana come stupidly high on some Greatest Ever Briton poll?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,373
    Socrates said:

    @Peter

    Ataturk!!! LOL.

    But then I suppose it's not a lot different from Ryan Giggs winning Sports Personality Of The Year

    Didn't Diana come stupidly high on some Greatest Ever Briton poll?
    @Socrates

    Yes, she came third, after Brunel and Churchill:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2509465.stm
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Can this be true? Britain's youngest grandparents, aged 29:

    http://imgur.com/35ddsaH
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,236
    I can't remember if the Libdems on here were part of the ceaseless squawking about 16 & 17 year olds getting to vote in the Independence referendum, but if so another superb opportunity for a bit of mealy-mouthed backpedaling.

    'We should be helping him build an unstoppable momentum for permanent change following the Independence Referendum next year, where another Liberal Democrat, Michael Moore, has secured the right of 16 and 17 year olds to vote.'

    http://tinyurl.com/cnwjs9s
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    I can't remember if the Libdems on here were part of the ceaseless squawking about 16 & 17 year olds getting to vote in the Independence referendum, but if so another superb opportunity for a bit of mealy-mouthed backpedaling.

    'We should be helping him build an unstoppable momentum for permanent change following the Independence Referendum next year, where another Liberal Democrat, Michael Moore, has secured the right of 16 and 17 year olds to vote.'

    http://tinyurl.com/cnwjs9s

    Lib Dems have more faces than the Town Knock
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,289
    Ryan G, who coverted his brother's wife's ass
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Socrates said:

    Can this be true? Britain's youngest grandparents, aged 29:

    http://imgur.com/35ddsaH

    There was one a few years ago (but Daily Mail, so treat with a pinch of salt) which had a great-grand mother at the age of 47...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350288/29-year-old-Britains-youngest-grandfather-scrounger.html
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    South Yorkshire smites you all.

    Rotherham had a 26 year old Grandmother.

    Which makes for Grab a Granny night less grim than other parts of the country

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/432463.stm
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    Also South Yorkshire proves it welcomes outsiders, not like those nasty Scots.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-22002392
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    hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    If you have not seen this video on Guido, it is a must ! Guaranteed to make you laugh !

    http://order-order.com/
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,892
    edited April 2013
    A liverpudlian Tory on CH4. An unpleasant interviewee who doesn't understand that talking through her interviewer is very unattractive. She doesn't look like a Tory though.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    South Yorkshire smites you all.

    Rotherham had a 26 year old Grandmother.

    Which makes for Grab a Granny night less grim than other parts of the country

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/432463.stm

    Christ. How terrible a parent must you be for your 12 year old daughter to get pregnant?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    Also South Yorkshire proves it welcomes outsiders, not like those nasty Scots.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-22002392

    LOL, north of Glasgow nearly everybody is English
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    South Yorkshire smites you all.

    Rotherham had a 26 year old Grandmother.

    Which makes for Grab a Granny night less grim than other parts of the country

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/432463.stm

    That article was from 1999. She's probably a great-grandmother by now.

    EDIT: I thought about putting a smilely. But, on reflection, it's actually rather depressing
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,236
    @TheScreamingEagles

    'The 17 Guinea baboons were moved from Edinburgh Zoo after "falling out" with the others who shared their enclosure.'

    Is S.Yorks also preparing a refuge for outcast Tories?
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Don't normally make personal remarks so I hope this one doesn't come across as snide or politically motivated: is it just my imagination or is Mr Cameron wearing very well for a Prime Minister? Normally the responsibilities of the post seem to age people very quickly.
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    @TheScreamingEagles

    'The 17 Guinea baboons were moved from Edinburgh Zoo after "falling out" with the others who shared their enclosure.'

    Is S.Yorks also preparing a refuge for outcast Tories?

    The People's Republic of South Yorkshire is proud of its Tory Free status.

    When I go visit my parents in Sheffield, I end up doubling the number of Tory voters in the county.
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    malcolmg said:

    Also South Yorkshire proves it welcomes outsiders, not like those nasty Scots.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-22002392

    LOL, north of Glasgow nearly everybody is English
    The last time I looked at a map (and my memory may be faulty), isn't about half to two thirds of Scotland north of Glasgow?
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Average age of puberty is going down

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7824699/Girls-now-reaching-puberty-before-10-a-year-sooner-than-20-years-ago.html

    Which is also the single biggest reason (imo) why there are so many more rapes and sexual assault in schools than there used to be.


    "Teen pregnancy rate lowest since 1969"

    If
    ethnic group A has a teen pregnancy rate of 2x
    and
    ethnic group B has a teen pregnancy rate of x
    then if the percentage of ethnic group B goes up then the *average* teen pregnancy rate will go down even though the individual rates haven't changed.

    If the percentage increase of ethnic group B is high enough then the teenage pregnancy rate of group A could be increasing and the *average* rate could still be falling.

    Basically all these stats need to be broken down by ethnic group and social class or they're useless.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,942
    Greetings from Iceland - a beautiful but troubled country.

    On the way here we flew up the west coast of Scotland. The sky was cloudless, the views went on forever. What a stunning part of the world it is.
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    tim said:

    I tipped Giggs on here at 14/1.
    Paid for a big splurge on the 275-299,300-324 Tory seat bands.


    So it's your fault, Tim.

    I suppose you and his mistresses spent the entire evening phoning in from payphones around the North-west.
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    @Socrates

    If it had been conducted by the Daily Express, she'd have won it.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    FPT: The Southwark Brothels

    In the last thread Sean_F mentioned that the brothels in Southwark were (in)famous in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries and I said I thought they went back earlier than that. Well I have spent a happy few hours doing some research.

    The earliest official mention I can find was 1162 when under Henry II ordinances were passed for the "Government of the stewholders in Southwark under the direction of the Lord Bishop of Winchester".

    In the fourteenth century one of the dioceses' tenants in chief of at least one the brothels was William Walworth - twice Lord Mayor of London and the chap who struck down Watt Tyler thus ending the peasants revolt, and adding the dagger to the Coat of Arms of the City of London.

    The City had a tradition of grouping suppliers of commodities together and name the road in which they practised after said commodity. Hence, Bread Street, Milk Street and the famous Pudding Lane. What are to make, then of Gropec*ntlane in the parish of St. Mary Colethorpe. It was only in in 1483 that the City tried to banish vice from within its walls - without any noticeable effect.

    The brothels of Southwark survived an attempt at their suppression by Henry VII and Henry VIII and were still going strong in 1840, though not under the direction of the Lord Bishop of Winchester.
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    @Sam

    Naturally I sympathise, but if you are going to bet on those popularity polls, you have to be able to think down to the level of the typical voter....and you have to think down a long way to get into the mind of yer SPOTY watcher.
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    mosesmoses Posts: 45
    Labours addiction to the welfare state (or more accurately buying votes with tax payers money)

    "When the Coalition announced that disability claimants should undergo tests for their eligibility, the move was denounced as a cruel and pointless exercise by those campaigners who always seek to extend, not reduce, the welfare state.
    Now it is disclosed that more than a third of those welfare recipients decided to drop their claims rather than face the tests."


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2302039/Labours-addiction-welfare-hurts-all.html#ixzz2PQiyNEpb


    Labour yet again on the wrong side of the argument.
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    Tim Gatt ‏@TimGattITV

    Oh that's nice. *panics* RT @AFP: #BREAKING: N. Korea army says it has final approval for nuclear attack on US
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,942

    Tim Gatt ‏@TimGattITV

    Oh that's nice. *panics* RT @AFP: #BREAKING: N. Korea army says it has final approval for nuclear attack on US

    It looks like I have picked a good time to be in Iceland!

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    Edin_RokzEdin_Rokz Posts: 516
    AnneJGP said:

    Don't normally make personal remarks so I hope this one doesn't come across as snide or politically motivated: is it just my imagination or is Mr Cameron wearing very well for a Prime Minister? Normally the responsibilities of the post seem to age people very quickly.

    Er! I do hope that you are not accusing David Cameron of acting like a Prime Minister.

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    Aintree cards look tasty! Bloody hard to pick from, mind.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,389
    every time I see the North Korean news it reminds me of this

    theonion.com/articles/n-korea-wondering-what-it-has-to-do-to-attract-us,35/
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I had been vaguely thinking of using up airmiles that I have to spend this year going to South Korea. But perhaps not. Any other suggestions?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,373
    Where's Team America when you need them?

    :)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,099
    Goodman has a point, September 2014 would only be a few years before the election and would allow both parties to try and recoup some of their lost base, Cameron wooing right-wing UKIPers and the LDs, maybe led by Cable?, left-wingers who defected post-Coalition. As the Tories were in a minority administration Cameron should also hold a parliamentary vote on a referendum on Europe even if he inevitably loses it to tactically appease ex-UKIPers, while the LDs could oppose some spending cuts post 2015!
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    antifrank said:

    I had been vaguely thinking of using up airmiles that I have to spend this year going to South Korea. But perhaps not. Any other suggestions?

    Cyprus?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,356
    Edin_Rokz said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Don't normally make personal remarks so I hope this one doesn't come across as snide or politically motivated: is it just my imagination or is Mr Cameron wearing very well for a Prime Minister? Normally the responsibilities of the post seem to age people very quickly.

    Er! I do hope that you are not accusing David Cameron of acting like a Prime Minister.

    Anne, I think you have to admit that you rather walked into that one!

    But yes, he does seem to wear his responsibilities lightly and bounce back well from the odd disaster.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,099
    TSE - If North Korea ever did nuke part of the US, the US would swiftly nuke and wipe out North Korea within a matter of hours, and the US is a rather larger country!
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,892
    @Tim

    Esther Mcvey. It says she worked in the family business of demolition. Now I understand!
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    I suspect and hope the Chinese are telling the North Koreans to STFU.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Aintree cards look tasty! Bloody hard to pick from, mind.

    Pricewise Aintree Day 1 »2.00 L'Unique »4.15 Anquetta

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    I suspect and hope the Chinese are telling the North Koreans to STFU.

    They're doing more than telling them.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/3/risky-business-china-continues-military-buildup-ne/
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    Edin_RokzEdin_Rokz Posts: 516
    DavidL said:

    Edin_Rokz said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Don't normally make personal remarks so I hope this one doesn't come across as snide or politically motivated: is it just my imagination or is Mr Cameron wearing very well for a Prime Minister? Normally the responsibilities of the post seem to age people very quickly.

    Er! I do hope that you are not accusing David Cameron of acting like a Prime Minister.

    Anne, I think you have to admit that you rather walked into that one!

    But yes, he does seem to wear his responsibilities lightly and bounce back well from the odd disaster.

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