Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Today Labour MPs are set to vote for return of shadow cabin

1235»

Comments

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I wonder if recent events in the NHS have made English people more amenable to a German or French model.

    It's quite clear from the Junior doctors' strike who the service is run for.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited September 2016

    They forget they up against the master tactician that is Jeremy Corbyn

    You should do a piece on how Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May have much in common: they both sit tight, waiting for their opponents to screw up.
  • The numpties should have thought of that before resigning.
    They forget they up against the master tactician that is Jeremy Corbyn
    Corbyn is not the master tactician, he’s just far more clued up on Labour’s rulebook than PLP.
  • MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know if the BPC inquiry into the failure of the polling industry was ever released or if it's even finished?

    They released their findings in March, the pollsters are in the next phase of updating their methodologies by early 2017
  • Re NHS reforms...I never really got why the general of poly-clinics that Labour proposed were so controversial. They seemed like a sensible idea.

    Does your proposal involve a change to the status quo of the NHS? Yes, or no?

    Yes - it is controversial, and you are a destroyer of the NHS
    No - meh. More money please for doctors and nurses.
    The Jerry Robinson show from a number of years ago showed that this attitude to be far too common (and that bean counter and doctors both think they run hospitals).
    It's what happens with most nationalised industries that bargain solely with the Government and are funded largely by the taxpayer: they become dominated by producer interests.

    Of course, they would argue (always) that their interests are also the same as those of their customers.
  • They forget they up against the master tactician that is Jeremy Corbyn

    You should do a piece on how Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May have much in common: they both sit tight, waiting for their opponents to screw up.
    Oooh that's an idea
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    "They could be co-located with major trauma centres and large A&E wards to help mitigate the need for urgent cases to travel to use the equipment."

    Have you ever been in a large hospital A & E at peak time? The Royal Sussex County Hospital on a Saturday night looks like something out Beirut in the civil war, but with added drunks. The idea of tipping another couple of hospital's worth of A & E patients into that mess (as was actually proposed a few years ago) is a recipe for disaster.

    Then there is the issue of patient transport. Paramedics taking heart attack, stroke, trauma patients further to a centre of excellence requires more time. So unless you have more paramedic equipped ambulances patients are going to waiting longer for that vital first treatment that is now recognised as so important. So to maintain compatible outcomes there need to be more paramedics more ambulances. Quite apart from the fact that in the SE the population is growing so fast services are already under great strain. Just look at the queues of ambulances sitting outside A&E departments waiting to unload; ambulances want to get shot of their patients so they can get back for the next one whilst hospitals won't accept them because the four hour clock starts ticking when they do.

    That is just the A&E part. Scanners, X-rays, Ultra-sound and so forth are also needed for non-urgent, non-trauma cases. If you concentrate them at just the trauma centres what happens to those cases. Tell some old girl she has to go fifteen miles on several buses to get a scan? That is an improvement? And when she, after probably a couple of hours, finally arrives at the centre the scanner is booked solid with emergency cases so she has to sit waiting until after the last bus has gone (happens about 18:00 in these parts).

    Sorry, but the great trauma centre idea might work but only if significant investment is maintained in other parts of the system. Do it, perhaps, for clinical reasons, but don't do it to save money.

    Privatise the non-traumatic scanning and lab testing. You'll find diagnostic labs and scanning centres opening up in every shopping mall and sports complex. And they'll compete on service for the customer, and efficiency to bolster profits.

    This will not undermine the central concept of the NHS - it is simply outsourcing those bits it makes sense to outsource, and in an area where the US approach has proven far more successful than the UK one.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know if the BPC inquiry into the failure of the polling industry was ever released or if it's even finished?

    They fixed everything and were about to release their findings on June 24th.......




    ....jk.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654

    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know if the BPC inquiry into the failure of the polling industry was ever released or if it's even finished?

    They released their findings in March, the pollsters are in the next phase of updating their methodologies by early 2017
    At some point they'll overcompensate.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,407
    edited September 2016
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Not sure whether this has been posted - Ashcroft Voting Intentions from his poll
    Con : 40%
    Lab : 31%
    L_D : 7%
    SNP : 5%
    UKIP : 13%
    Grn : 3%

    A Con lead of 9% inplies a swing from Lab across GB of 1.2% since May 2015. That would imply 12 Tory gains from Labour resulting in a Tory majority of 36.
    However, the Scottish crossbreaks show a Lab to Con swing of circa 8% - which means that the overall swing in England & Wales is just 0.45%. Without taking any account of first time incumbency , Labour would only lose 4 seats on such a swing.

    It's not a full VI poll. as per ComRes, it's just a voter identifier.

    As per ComRes, these raw figures generally favour Labour and disadvantage the Tories.
    I am only passing on info from UK polling Report - Have not seen the data myself!
    You've not seen the data yet you've had the time to extrapolate what you think the swings are in E&W and the seat gains/losses based on the Scottish crossbreaks

    Hmmm.

    Perhaps in future you should check the data out yourself before getting ahead of yourself.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2016
  • PlatoSaid said:

    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO

    I thought UB40 were declared bankrupt and split years ago?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334

    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know if the BPC inquiry into the failure of the polling industry was ever released or if it's even finished?

    They released their findings in March, the pollsters are in the next phase of updating their methodologies by early 2017
    Thanks, let's me know when to take polling seriously again.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO

    Quite brilliant. In the pantheon of PR this must be top ten for worst of all time.

    Corbyn next to to backdrop with the words 'UB40'.

    Anyone over the age of 40 (no one else will know the band) will easily get this subliminal message.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited September 2016
    LOL, I see some joker on Betfair is offering to lay Trump at evens in Texas. Optimistic...

    Is that you, @Pulpstar?

    Edit: I of course mean is offering a lay, ie hoping to back
  • Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know if the BPC inquiry into the failure of the polling industry was ever released or if it's even finished?

    They released their findings in March, the pollsters are in the next phase of updating their methodologies by early 2017
    At some point they'll overcompensate.
    I did speak to a pollster last week, that was their fear, they said given Theresa May's mahoosive lead on leadership, and the general Tory leads on the economy/competence, and Labour are a complete clusterfuck at the moment, he's surprised the Tory lead is only is in the tens.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Five years? Seems a bit on the low side.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,591

    PlatoSaid said:

    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO

    Quite brilliant. In the pantheon of PR this must be top ten for worst of all time.

    Corbyn next to to backdrop with the words 'UB40'.

    Anyone over the age of 40 (no one else will know the band) will easily get this subliminal message.
    And everyone of a certain age will know where the name came from, under the late '70s Labour government.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:


    The cost of support staff is cheap compared to the cost of expensive capital (MRI scanners, dialysis machines etc) sitting idle for 75% of the week. No reason they can't be used 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.

    Imagine if an airline decided to only hire one crew of pilots and hosties for every plane they bought. The actual numbers are 6-8 crews per plane in the real world, they have the plane running 18-22 hours a day as it's not making any money sitting on the ground. Scheduled light maintainence is all done overnight.

    Obviously I can't speak for everywhere but in this part of the world they are actually rather good at keeping that sort of kit running as much as possible. A chum of mine used to have his thrice weekly dialysis appointments at 06:15 so it would take as little out of his working day as possible. His unit also offered evening appointments. For myself I have been in a scanner at the local hospital before nine o'clock in the morning.

    So there are certainly at least some pockets of the NHS which are pretty good at making the maximum use of expensive kit.

    P.S. That said judging by the uniform the operator wore I am not sure if the MRI scanning has not been contracted out. The scanner was in the hospital but I got the feeling it was owned and operated by a private company. Unfortunately I wasn't in a position to make enquiries. It was jolly efficient either way.

    In your area MRI is handled by Alliance Medical which is a really well run operation.
    Charles, do you think the large trauma centre idea is feasible?
    Not sure what the specific idea you have in mind is, but essentially DGHs are a inefficient monstrosity that are the bane of the NHS

    - A&E: push into the retail segment. Have them in town centres with ambulances out back. Use them them minor fixes and triage effectively on the phone: either patch up or use an ambulance to an acute setting

    - Multi-GP out patient facilities with co-location of pharmacy and other primary care functions. Again get them close to the end user

    - Acute hospitals should be just then: patch them up, get them out of surgery or IC asap. Don't use them for convalesence

    - Specialist hospitals: focus the skills that you need to get centres of excellence

    - Chronic facilities: for extended recovery where in-patient coverage is needed. Not really that many of them. Co-locate with old age homes

    - Home care: this is the golden prize. Get as many patients as possible out of hospitals and into the home setting covered by mobile nurses and telemedicine consults as needed
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654

    LOL, I see some joker on Betfair is offering to lay Trump at evens in Texas. Optimistic...

    Is that you, @Pulpstar?

    No, I have laid him touch longer...
  • Unlikely, as the sentence is more than four years he's not eligible for tag, and given the serious nature of the offences, he'll end up serving the majority of that sentence
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,562
    edited September 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO

    I thought UB40 were declared bankrupt and split years ago?
    There are now two UB40s, both called UB40 apparently.

    So, 'splits' - is another subliminal message to add to the 1980s mass-unemployment meme.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    AP
    BREAKING: UK court sentences radical preacher Anjem Choudary to 5 ½ years for encouraging support for Islamic State group.

    What a joke FFS
  • The numpties should have thought of that before resigning.
    To give Jon Ashworth credit, that's why he hasn't. Angela Eagle was the numpty in this context.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    PlatoSaid said:

    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO

    I thought UB40 were declared bankrupt and split years ago?
    There are now two UB40s, both called UB40 apparently.

    So, 'splits' - is another subliminal message to add to the 1980s mass-unemployment meme.
    What happened to wd40?
  • PlatoSaid said:

    AP
    BREAKING: UK court sentences radical preacher Anjem Choudary to 5 ½ years for encouraging support for Islamic State group.

    What a joke FFS

    Out in 2 then...I bet the secret services are wondering why they bothered.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    PlatoSaid said:

    AP
    BREAKING: UK court sentences radical preacher Anjem Choudary to 5 ½ years for encouraging support for Islamic State group.

    What a joke FFS

    Hell be out in a few months for good behaviour.
  • nunu said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO

    I thought UB40 were declared bankrupt and split years ago?
    There are now two UB40s, both called UB40 apparently.

    So, 'splits' - is another subliminal message to add to the 1980s mass-unemployment meme.
    What happened to wd40?
    Haven't heard a squeak from them.
  • Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know if the BPC inquiry into the failure of the polling industry was ever released or if it's even finished?

    They released their findings in March, the pollsters are in the next phase of updating their methodologies by early 2017
    At some point they'll overcompensate.
    I did speak to a pollster last week, that was their fear, they said given Theresa May's mahoosive lead on leadership, and the general Tory leads on the economy/competence, and Labour are a complete clusterfuck at the moment, he's surprised the Tory lead is only is in the tens.
    Yes, it looks odd to me. But I'm wrong of course, Corbyn is reaching out to people the length and breadth of the land with his refreshing message of anti-austerity and hope for a new Jerusalem...

    Pass me my pills.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296

    PlatoSaid said:

    AP
    BREAKING: UK court sentences radical preacher Anjem Choudary to 5 ½ years for encouraging support for Islamic State group.

    What a joke FFS

    Out in 2 then...I bet the secret services are wondering why they bothered.
    On the plus side there will be plenty of overtime on offer once he is out.
  • Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know if the BPC inquiry into the failure of the polling industry was ever released or if it's even finished?

    They released their findings in March, the pollsters are in the next phase of updating their methodologies by early 2017
    At some point they'll overcompensate.
    I did speak to a pollster last week, that was their fear, they said given Theresa May's mahoosive lead on leadership, and the general Tory leads on the economy/competence, and Labour are a complete clusterfuck at the moment, he's surprised the Tory lead is only is in the tens.
    Yes, it looks odd to me. But I'm wrong of course, Corbyn is reaching out to people the length and breadth of the land with his refreshing message of anti-austerity and hope for a new Jerusalem...

    Pass me my pills.
    Well, there comes a point where the vaguely left-leaning might vote for Labour, safe in the knowledge that they're going to lose.
  • Can the government appeal the pathetic sentence?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    edited September 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO

    I thought UB40 were declared bankrupt and split years ago?
    I heard them on the radio a few weeks ago.

    Ali Campbell (lead singer) split from UB40 after a bitter fall out (with his comrades and brothers?)

    I think they are all in litigation now trying to work out should be allowed to use the UB40 brand...

    An omen? ;)
  • Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know if the BPC inquiry into the failure of the polling industry was ever released or if it's even finished?

    They released their findings in March, the pollsters are in the next phase of updating their methodologies by early 2017
    At some point they'll overcompensate.
    I did speak to a pollster last week, that was their fear, they said given Theresa May's mahoosive lead on leadership, and the general Tory leads on the economy/competence, and Labour are a complete clusterfuck at the moment, he's surprised the Tory lead is only is in the tens.
    Yes, it looks odd to me. But I'm wrong of course, Corbyn is reaching out to people the length and breadth of the land with his refreshing message of anti-austerity and hope for a new Jerusalem...

    Pass me my pills.
    Well, there comes a point where the vaguely left-leaning might vote for Labour, safe in the knowledge that they're going to lose.
    ...and keep the nice tax cuts having successfully vanity waved.
  • GIN1138 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Michael Deacon
    Three months ago I was on a boat with Nigel Farage being chased down the Thames by Bob Geldof. Today: https://t.co/qE69PTdmaO

    I thought UB40 were declared bankrupt and split years ago?
    I heard them on the radio a few weeks ago.

    Ali Campbell (lead singer) split from UB40 after a bitter fall out.

    I think they are all in litigation trying to work out should be allowed to use the UB40 brand...

    An omen? ;)
    I see Quentin Letts is there. Looking forward to his piece - no doubt he will skewer this bit of bonkers PR. I mean it actually appears to be taking place in a wine cellar. Get it.
  • The draft new boundaries for NI are out:

    https://www.boundarycommission.org.uk/sites/boundarycommission.org.uk/files/media-files/BCNI 2018 Provisional Proposals Report.pdf

    They've gone for a 3 seat Belfast with quite a lot of knock on change elsewhere around Lough Neagh. The consensus seems to be the result is better for the nationalists

    http://www.irishnews.com/news/politicalnews/2016/09/06/news/opinion-stand-by-for-unionist-hullabaloo-682616/
  • Can the government appeal the pathetic sentence?

    Is it pathetic, or is it in line with the sentencing guidelines?
  • NEW THREAD

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    nunu said:

    justin124 said:

    nunu said:

    justin124 said:

    Not sure whether this has been posted - Ashcroft Voting Intentions from his poll
    Con : 40%
    Lab : 31%
    L_D : 7%
    SNP : 5%
    UKIP : 13%
    Grn : 3%

    A Con lead of 9% inplies a swing from Lab across GB of 1.2% since May 2015. That would imply 12 Tory gains from Labour resulting in a Tory majority of 36.
    However, the Scottish crossbreaks show a Lab to Con swing of circa 8% - which means that the overall swing in England & Wales is just 0.45%. Without taking any account of first time incumbency , Labour would only lose 4 seats on such a swing.

    The polls are probably overestimating Labour again. Lazy Lefty students.......
    As in 2010 and 1983?
    Do you really want to hang your ambitions on 1983?
    I am simply pointing out that pollsters do not always overestimate Labour. You and others are very welcome to remain in ignorance if that is what you really want!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    Scott_P said:

    Just seen a bit of Sky News. Apparently the police took four hours to arrest anyone, and have still only removed two out of nine of the cretins.

    @Mr_Eugenides: It genuinely appears that all the #BlackLivesMatterUK protestors at London City Airport are white. Roaring.

    @Mr_Eugenides: Didn’t any of the #BLMUK protestors realise that it might not look good if they were all white? Was not even a token black lefty available?
    That's straight out of Pratchett, and the organisation dedicated to defending the rights of dwarfs not having any dwarfs on it.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    AndyJS said:
    Having coughing fits on aeroplanes won't help - especially as Trump has raised health as a meme.
This discussion has been closed.