I noted the sentence beginning "Actually, his blood pressure". Using a comma after the word "Actually" in that context is an example of a poor writing style. But exactly this ugly usage has appeared many times in Donald Trump's tweets.
I though actually was an adverb, and you put a comma after all adverbs which start a sentence?
Nah. "Finally the moment arrived". "Often that's what I did". In most contexts, commas would look awful in those sentences. Do you want your reader to pause? Use a comma after "actually" if you want to emphasise "actually".
Citation needed
It's not a prescriptive rule. I'm just talking about style and effects. I haven't got sources to hand. I think any good writer on style who covers pace and punctuation would agree, so it's probably in, say, Joseph Williams's Towards Clarity and Grace, and in books by Jeanne Fahnestock and Martha Kolln. Just read "Often that's what I did" and "Often, that's what I did" and listen to your ear
I wasn't meaning to argue correctness. That Trump's usage is ugly is my opinion. That it's dismissive and haughty is more objective, because to put a comma after "actually" in such contexts makes the reader linger on it, and thereby emphasises it, and why?
Perhaps because he actually wanted to emphasise it?
Exactly.
But what are the chances that his medic similarly thumps the table all the time when he writes medical reports?
PS "Perhaps" is an adverb, so didn't you just break your own rule?
@jessicaelgot: Smith campaign saying GMB v significant because of ballot, which other unions not doing-"Our guess would be others either split or pro-Owen"
Smith is now going to claim "union mandate" all the way.
I noted the sentence beginning "Actually, his blood pressure". Using a comma after the word "Actually" in that context is an example of a poor writing style. But exactly this ugly usage has appeared many times in Donald Trump's tweets.
I though actually was an adverb, and you put a comma after all adverbs which start a sentence?
Nah. "Finally the moment arrived". "Often that's what I did". In most contexts, commas would look awful in those sentences. Do you want your reader to pause? Use a comma after "actually" if you want to emphasise "actually".
Citation needed
It's not a prescriptive rule. I'm just talking about style and effects. I haven't got sources to hand. I think any good writer on style who covers pace and punctuation would agree, so it's probably in, say, Joseph Williams's Towards Clarity and Grace, and in books by Jeanne Fahnestock and Martha Kolln. Just read "Often that's what I did" and "Often, that's what I did" and listen to your ear
I wasn't meaning to argue correctness. That Trump's usage is ugly is my opinion. That it's dismissive and haughty is more objective, because to put a comma after "actually" in such contexts makes the reader linger on it, and thereby emphasises it, and why?
Perhaps because he actually wanted to emphasise it?
Actually, perhaps it was because he wanted to emphasise it?
I noted the sentence beginning "Actually, his blood pressure". Using a comma after the word "Actually" in that context is an example of a poor writing style. But exactly this ugly usage has appeared many times in Donald Trump's tweets.
I though actually was an adverb, and you put a comma after all adverbs which start a sentence?
Nah. "Finally the moment arrived". "Often that's what I did". In most contexts, commas would look awful in those sentences. Do you want your reader to pause? Use a comma after "actually" if you want to emphasise "actually".
Citation needed
It's not a prescriptive rule. I'm just talking about style and effects. I haven't got sources to hand. I think any good writer on style who covers pace and punctuation would agree, so it's probably in, say, Joseph Williams's Towards Clarity and Grace, and in books by Jeanne Fahnestock and Martha Kolln. Just read "Often that's what I did" and "Often, that's what I did" and listen to your ear
I wasn't meaning to argue correctness. That Trump's usage is ugly is my opinion. That it's dismissive and haughty is more objective, because to put a comma after "actually" in such contexts makes the reader linger on it, and thereby emphasises it, and why?
Perhaps because he actually wanted to emphasise it?
Exactly.
But what are the chances that his medic similarly thumps the table all the time when he writes medical reports?
Given that the idea of putting a comma after an adverb is a common one, it is hardly a slam dunk that Trump wrote it.
@jessicaelgot: Smith campaign saying GMB v significant because of ballot, which other unions not doing-"Our guess would be others either split or pro-Owen"
Smith is now going to claim "union mandate" all the way.
He can claim all he likes
But he will be lying.
There is nothing that can be extrapolated from a very small turnout result from one union. And he knows it.
It is not enough to stop Momentum. And he knows that too.
Yes, I read it some time ago. Trump's odds are way too long at the moment.
“The best Trump linguistic kill shots,” Adams writes,”have the following qualities: 1. Fresh word that is not generally used in politics; 2. Relates to the physicality of the subject (so you are always reminded).”
Indeed. Neurolinguistic programming (NLP) uses a similar notion that they call "anchoring".
“thinking past the sale” so the initial part of his premise is stated as a given
Again, spot on. For example in the latest hoohah the surface issue is whether Trump is encouraging violence; but the message that is cemented is "Hillary wants your guns".
It was always clear that this election was going to feature a huge dose of macho crap on the Republican side, and as Germaine Greer says, never underestimate that stuff.
If Trump survives the next few days, he's going to appear in the debates and do well in them, I reckon.
Have you read Robert Cialdini's book Influence? It's required reading in the field. It's up there with Ogilvy on Advertising.
You're living in the wrong part of the country, senor Llama - I have a very talented local stonemason who will work for a third of the price you've been paying. Getting on a bit in years but 'proper job' every time.
Since I moved back to the west country 15 years ago I reckon I pay on average about half for tradesmen that I used to in the home counties (roughly adjusting for inflation). Usually better work as well.
Fair go Mr. Mede and I would love to move out of the South East (actually I would hate the upheaval, the work and the cost, but needs must when the Devil drives). It is just that Herself and I cannot agree where to move to - Northumberland, Dorset, Central Portugal, Southern area of the Netherlands are all on the table we just can't make up our mind.
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
@SophyRidgeSky: According to Tom Watson, the following is being circulated by "Momentum members with links to far-left parties" https://t.co/5069jDqW3B
You're living in the wrong part of the country, senor Llama - I have a very talented local stonemason who will work for a third of the price you've been paying. Getting on a bit in years but 'proper job' every time.
Since I moved back to the west country 15 years ago I reckon I pay on average about half for tradesmen that I used to in the home counties (roughly adjusting for inflation). Usually better work as well.
Fair go Mr. Mede and I would love to move out of the South East (actually I would hate the upheaval, the work and the cost, but needs must when the Devil drives). It is just that Herself and I cannot agree where to move to - Northumberland, Dorset, Central Portugal, Southern area of the Netherlands are all on the table we just can't make up our mind.
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
Part of the problem these days is that when applying for jobs, employers use the "no degree" check to eliminate non-graduates - a lazy way of narrowing the field. This is unfair, but puts pressure on kids to get a degree (any degree). Another bad result from pushing too many to go to uni.
They can, of course, start their own trade or business.
(no commas were harmed, in the making, of this post)
You're living in the wrong part of the country, senor Llama - I have a very talented local stonemason who will work for a third of the price you've been paying. Getting on a bit in years but 'proper job' every time.
Since I moved back to the west country 15 years ago I reckon I pay on average about half for tradesmen that I used to in the home counties (roughly adjusting for inflation). Usually better work as well.
Fair go Mr. Mede and I would love to move out of the South East (actually I would hate the upheaval, the work and the cost, but needs must when the Devil drives). It is just that Herself and I cannot agree where to move to - Northumberland, Dorset, Central Portugal, Southern area of the Netherlands are all on the table we just can't make up our mind.
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
Looking at this list, train driver seems to be an extraordinarily lucrative career:
Watson tries to get Corbyn to condemn his own entryists...
@SophyRidgeSky: Watson has written to Corbyn asking him to confirm members of "far-left" parties shouldn't be able to join Labour https://t.co/AaoTZ3Kqt6
@SophyRidgeSky: According to Tom Watson, the following is being circulated by "Momentum members with links to far-left parties" https://t.co/5069jDqW3B
Is Tom Watson complaining about them borrowing his methods without a hat tip?
You're living in the wrong part of the country, senor Llama - I have a very talented local stonemason who will work for a third of the price you've been paying. Getting on a bit in years but 'proper job' every time.
Since I moved back to the west country 15 years ago I reckon I pay on average about half for tradesmen that I used to in the home counties (roughly adjusting for inflation). Usually better work as well.
Fair go Mr. Mede and I would love to move out of the South East (actually I would hate the upheaval, the work and the cost, but needs must when the Devil drives). It is just that Herself and I cannot agree where to move to - Northumberland, Dorset, Central Portugal, Southern area of the Netherlands are all on the table we just can't make up our mind.
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
Looking at this list, train driver seems to be an extraordinarily lucrative career:
Watson tries to get Corbyn to condemn his own entryists...
@SophyRidgeSky: Watson has written to Corbyn asking him to confirm members of "far-left" parties shouldn't be able to join Labour https://t.co/AaoTZ3Kqt6
But surely if someone wants to give up their previous allegiance and join Labour, that is a good thing...
Converting people to your way of thinking is how politics works
Something where we can beat the world at the Olympics - finishing fourth:
6: Great Britain
4: China; US
3: Australia
2: Italy, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Japan, Colombia
1: North Korea, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland, Ukraine, India, Slovakia, Mexico, Spain, South Africa, Russia, Hungary, Netherlands, Kazakhstan, Dominica, Latvia, Ecuador
Ha!
Whilst you're about - do you know anything about the story that Suicide Squad was re-shot in large chunks to match the trailer as previewers didn't like the director's version? Read an interesting article about it, but wondered if it was anywhere near the truth.
Watson tries to get Corbyn to condemn his own entryists...
@SophyRidgeSky: Watson has written to Corbyn asking him to confirm members of "far-left" parties shouldn't be able to join Labour https://t.co/AaoTZ3Kqt6
I have a real example of exactly this in action. One member who turns up to every meeting in his Momentum tshirt. Is waging a bitter war against his local branch party insisting that their AGM was illegal, demanding minutes and rulings and threatening complaints. Stood up at one meeting berating the campaign coordinator for things he wasn't responsible for, an argument he has continued by email and by absurd complaints on our Facebook group. Has attacked the EC as being "a rightist coup"
Several of us have wondered what the hell he's playing at. Now I know
You're living in the wrong part of the country, senor Llama - I have a very talented local stonemason who will work for a third of the price you've been paying. Getting on a bit in years but 'proper job' every time.
Since I moved back to the west country 15 years ago I reckon I pay on average about half for tradesmen that I used to in the home counties (roughly adjusting for inflation). Usually better work as well.
Fair go Mr. Mede and I would love to move out of the South East (actually I would hate the upheaval, the work and the cost, but needs must when the Devil drives). It is just that Herself and I cannot agree where to move to - Northumberland, Dorset, Central Portugal, Southern area of the Netherlands are all on the table we just can't make up our mind.
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
Looking at this list, train driver seems to be an extraordinarily lucrative career:
I think £44K is a reasonable reward for a mainline train driver responsible for 500 passengers. It gets less justifiable when you are carrying 10 passengers on a branch line. Same issue for driver-only trains.
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If you are advising a teenager who doesn't know what career to do, point him or her to this one:
40 Waste disposal and environmental services managers £45,982 15.7 (% increase since 2011)
It's an unglamorous but reasonably fulfilling job with 100% employment prospects after coming out of college
I have a real example of exactly this in action. One member who turns up to every meeting in his Momentum tshirt. Is waging a bitter war against his local branch party insisting that their AGM was illegal, demanding minutes and rulings and threatening complaints. Stood up at one meeting berating the campaign coordinator for things he wasn't responsible for, an argument he has continued by email and by absurd complaints on our Facebook group. Has attacked the EC as being "a rightist coup"
Several of us have wondered what the hell he's playing at. Now I know
So at the next meeting you can ask him, at length, which page of the militant handbook he is following at each point...
[Burhs were fortified towns whose people benefited from the defence they manned whilst also meaning there were safe places for the Saxon army to stop and the fyrd rotations system (I think it was by thirds or maybe halves) enabled easier raising of soldiers even during harvest time].
If this is the poll that I participated in on monday for YouGov, then I would be very wary of anyone getting too carried away on the betting front on the basis of this The questions seemed to me to be slightly loaded in favour of Smith.
It gave various statements which I regarded as leading questions and I was left with the impression that the poll was actually trying to change opinion rather than polling opinion. After each set of statements, it asked something along the lines of - after considering the previous question, now how would you vote? It felt like I was expected to change my mind.
It could just be an exercise by the Smith camp to try and find out which attack lines are the better ones to use as the campaign goes on.
I hope the results are printed in full, to enable others to see what I mean.
I noted the sentence beginning "Actually, his blood pressure". Using a comma after the word "Actually" in that context is an example of a poor writing style. But exactly this ugly usage has appeared many times in Donald Trump's tweets.
I though actually was an adverb, and you put a comma after all adverbs which start a sentence?
Nah. "Finally the moment arrived". "Often that's what I did". In most contexts, commas would look awful in those sentences. Do you want your reader to pause? Use a comma after "actually" if you want to emphasise "actually".
Citation needed
It's not a prescriptive rule. I'm just talking about style and effects. I haven't got sources to hand. I think any good writer on style who covers pace and punctuation would agree, so it's probably in, say, Joseph Williams's Towards Clarity and Grace, and in books by Jeanne Fahnestock and Martha Kolln. Just read "Often that's what I did" and "Often, that's what I did" and listen to your ear
I wasn't meaning to argue correctness. That Trump's usage is ugly is my opinion. That it's dismissive and haughty is more objective, because to put a comma after "actually" in such contexts makes the reader linger on it, and thereby emphasises it, and why?
Perhaps because he actually wanted to emphasise it?
Shurely:
"Perhaps because he, actually, wanted to emphasise it?"
You're living in the wrong part of the country, senor Llama - I have a very talented local stonemason who will work for a third of the price you've been paying. Getting on a bit in years but 'proper job' every time.
Since I moved back to the west country 15 years ago I reckon I pay on average about half for tradesmen that I used to in the home counties (roughly adjusting for inflation). Usually better work as well.
Fair go Mr. Mede and I would love to move out of the South East (actually I would hate the upheaval, the work and the cost, but needs must when the Devil drives). It is just that Herself and I cannot agree where to move to - Northumberland, Dorset, Central Portugal, Southern area of the Netherlands are all on the table we just can't make up our mind.
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
Looking at this list, train driver seems to be an extraordinarily lucrative career:
@FeersumEnjineeya That list is for years old and was probably complete boll***s when it was compiled.
@MarkHopkins Lazy by the employers without a doubt. Such employers will go to the wall in due course (I bet every one that uses that sort of screening has a big HR department and a grand HQ building). The point is that is one has the earning potential of £2k per week then what some Doris in HR wants doesn't really matter.
Went out shopping in the nearest town today. There is a building site there that had a sign on the hoarding surrounding it, "Bricklayers wanted - £500 per week". That sign was there two months ago.
You're living in the wrong part of the country, senor Llama - I have a very talented local stonemason who will work for a third of the price you've been paying. Getting on a bit in years but 'proper job' every time.
Since I moved back to the west country 15 years ago I reckon I pay on average about half for tradesmen that I used to in the home counties (roughly adjusting for inflation). Usually better work as well.
Fair go Mr. Mede and I would love to move out of the South East (actually I would hate the upheaval, the work and the cost, but needs must when the Devil drives). It is just that Herself and I cannot agree where to move to - Northumberland, Dorset, Central Portugal, Southern area of the Netherlands are all on the table we just can't make up our mind.
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
Looking at this list, train driver seems to be an extraordinarily lucrative career:
@FeersumEnjineeya That list is for years old and was probably complete boll***s when it was compiled.
@MarkHopkins Lazy by the employers without a doubt. Such employers will go to the wall in due course (I bet every one that uses that sort of screening has a big HR department and a grand HQ building). The point is that is one has the earning potential of £2k per week then what some Doris in HR wants doesn't really matter.
Went out shopping in the nearest town today. There is a building site there that had a sign on the hoarding surrounding it, "Bricklayers wanted - £500 per week". That sign was there two months ago.
If they had put the sign in polish wouldnt have take 2 months. Would have finished building by then!
If this is the poll that I participated in on monday for YouGov, then I would be very wary of anyone getting too carried away on the betting front on the basis of this The questions seemed to me to be slightly loaded in favour of Smith.
It gave various statements which I regarded as leading questions and I was left with the impression that the poll was actually trying to change opinion rather than polling opinion. After each set of statements, it asked something along the lines of - after considering the previous question, now how would you vote? It felt like I was expected to change my mind.
It could just be an exercise by the Smith camp to try and find out which attack lines are the better ones to use as the campaign goes on.
I hope the results are printed in full, to enable others to see what I mean.
I doubt that the poll actually exists, favourable private polls leaked by campaigns usually are non-existent.
Even if it does exist it probably was carried by Survation not Yougov, since Smith's phonebanks are located in their offices.
Watson tries to get Corbyn to condemn his own entryists...
@SophyRidgeSky: Watson has written to Corbyn asking him to confirm members of "far-left" parties shouldn't be able to join Labour https://t.co/AaoTZ3Kqt6
But surely if someone wants to give up their previous allegiance and join Labour, that is a good thing...
Converting people to your way of thinking is how politics works
Bear in mind that when you test our patience by posting things like that, no-one will believe you when you post things that you really do believe.
@jessicaelgot: Smith campaign saying GMB v significant because of ballot, which other unions not doing-"Our guess would be others either split or pro-Owen"
Smith is now going to claim "union mandate" all the way.
You're living in the wrong part of the country, senor Llama - I have a very talented local stonemason who will work for a third of the price you've been paying. Getting on a bit in years but 'proper job' every time.
Since I moved back to the west country 15 years ago I reckon I pay on average about half for tradesmen that I used to in the home counties (roughly adjusting for inflation). Usually better work as well.
Fair go Mr. Mede and I would love to move out of the South East (actually I would hate the upheaval, the work and the cost, but needs must when the Devil drives). It is just that Herself and I cannot agree where to move to - Northumberland, Dorset, Central Portugal, Southern area of the Netherlands are all on the table we just can't make up our mind.
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
Looking at this list, train driver seems to be an extraordinarily lucrative career:
@FeersumEnjineeya That list is for years old and was probably complete boll***s when it was compiled.
@MarkHopkins Lazy by the employers without a doubt. Such employers will go to the wall in due course (I bet every one that uses that sort of screening has a big HR department and a grand HQ building). The point is that is one has the earning potential of £2k per week then what some Doris in HR wants doesn't really matter.
Went out shopping in the nearest town today. There is a building site there that had a sign on the hoarding surrounding it, "Bricklayers wanted - £500 per week". That sign was there two months ago.
HurstLlama, your casual dismissal of my references while you offer none to support your own contentions is getting a bit tedious. Why do you think the list is bollocks? What do you think is likely to have changed over the last four years? Why should I simply take you at your word?
If this is the poll that I participated in on monday for YouGov, then I would be very wary of anyone getting too carried away on the betting front on the basis of this The questions seemed to me to be slightly loaded in favour of Smith.
It gave various statements which I regarded as leading questions and I was left with the impression that the poll was actually trying to change opinion rather than polling opinion. After each set of statements, it asked something along the lines of - after considering the previous question, now how would you vote? It felt like I was expected to change my mind.
It could just be an exercise by the Smith camp to try and find out which attack lines are the better ones to use as the campaign goes on.
I hope the results are printed in full, to enable others to see what I mean.
I doubt that the poll actually exists, favourable private polls leaked by campaigns usually are non-existent.
Even if it does exist it probably was carried by Survation not Yougov, since Smith's phonebanks are located in their offices.
Well if it wasn't YouGov who carried out the poll then we should probably expect a poll from them this evening, as it was monday morning when I was polled. It did seem a little unusual though, the way they asked 4 or 5 times who I was going to vote for.
Have to admit, as a Corbyn supporter, when I get emails from the Owen Smith team asking me who I am supporting, I always say I am undecided. Call me paranoid, but knowing that the Labour Party seem to be looking for any excuse to bar Corbyn supporters from voting, telling the Smith camp that I am voting for Corbyn seems akin to putting a large target on my forehead! So if they are using feedback from their email shots then I would imagine there are other Corbyn supporters just as paranoid and will be non-committal
Watson tries to get Corbyn to condemn his own entryists...
@SophyRidgeSky: Watson has written to Corbyn asking him to confirm members of "far-left" parties shouldn't be able to join Labour https://t.co/AaoTZ3Kqt6
But surely if someone wants to give up their previous allegiance and join Labour, that is a good thing...
Converting people to your way of thinking is how politics works
Bear in mind that when you test our patience by posting things like that, no-one will believe you when you post things that you really do believe.
My point was that people do switch between political parties on a pretty regular basis. It is very difficult to devise any system that will prevent entryism - and it could well be that some of these far-left types see Labour as a viable home for them under Corbyn. So why should that be prevented?
Attempting to enforce group-think is a dangerous route.
Something where we can beat the world at the Olympics - finishing fourth:
6: Great Britain
4: China; US
3: Australia
2: Italy, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Japan, Colombia
1: North Korea, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland, Ukraine, India, Slovakia, Mexico, Spain, South Africa, Russia, Hungary, Netherlands, Kazakhstan, Dominica, Latvia, Ecuador
Ha!
Whilst you're about - do you know anything about the story that Suicide Squad was re-shot in large chunks to match the trailer as previewers didn't like the director's version? Read an interesting article about it, but wondered if it was anywhere near the truth.
Sorry, haven't heard about that. Heard plenty about Tulip Fever though, and why that still isn't getting a release....despite very favourable responses from those who saw an extended trailer.
[Burhs were fortified towns whose people benefited from the defence they manned whilst also meaning there were safe places for the Saxon army to stop and the fyrd rotations system (I think it was by thirds or maybe halves) enabled easier raising of soldiers even during harvest time].
I noted the sentence beginning "Actually, his blood pressure". Using a comma after the word "Actually" in that context is an example of a poor writing style. But exactly this ugly usage has appeared many times in Donald Trump's tweets.
I though actually was an adverb, and you put a comma after all adverbs which start a sentence?
Nah. "Finally the moment arrived". "Often that's what I did". In most contexts, commas would look awful in those sentences. Do you want your reader to pause? Use a comma after "actually" if you want to emphasise "actually".
Citation needed
It's not a prescriptive rule. I'm just talking about style and effects. I haven't got sources to hand. I think any good writer on style who covers pace and punctuation would agree, so it's probably in, say, Joseph Williams's Towards Clarity and Grace, and in books by Jeanne Fahnestock and Martha Kolln. Just read "Often that's what I did" and "Often, that's what I did" and listen to your ear
I wasn't meaning to argue correctness. That Trump's usage is ugly is my opinion. That it's dismissive and haughty is more objective, because to put a comma after "actually" in such contexts makes the reader linger on it, and thereby emphasises it, and why?
Perhaps because he actually wanted to emphasise it?
Shurely:
"Perhaps because he, actually, wanted to emphasise it?"
Actually, perhaps it was because he wanted to emphasise it?
I noted the sentence beginning "Actually, his blood pressure". Using a comma after the word "Actually" in that context is an example of a poor writing style. But exactly this ugly usage has appeared many times in Donald Trump's tweets.
I though actually was an adverb, and you put a comma after all adverbs which start a sentence?
Nah. "Finally the moment arrived". "Often that's what I did". In most contexts, commas would look awful in those sentences. Do you want your reader to pause? Use a comma after "actually" if you want to emphasise "actually".
Citation needed
It's not a prescriptive rule. I'm just talking about style and effects. I haven't got sources to hand. I think any good writer on style who covers pace and punctuation would agree, so it's probably in, say, Joseph Williams's Towards Clarity and Grace, and in books by Jeanne Fahnestock and Martha Kolln. Just read "Often that's what I did" and "Often, that's what I did" and listen to your ear
I wasn't meaning to argue correctness. That Trump's usage is ugly is my opinion. That it's dismissive and haughty is more objective, because to put a comma after "actually" in such contexts makes the reader linger on it, and thereby emphasises it, and why?
Perhaps because he actually wanted to emphasise it?
Shurely:
"Perhaps because he, actually, wanted to emphasise it?"
Actually the word actually is redundant and the sentence should read:
HurstLlama, your casual dismissal of my references while you offer none to support your own contentions is getting a bit tedious. Why do you think the list is bollocks? What do you think is likely to have changed over the last four years? Why should I simply take you at your word?
Fair enough, old boy, you think my real world experience is tedious, ya'll get out there and give us some of your own.
HurstLlama, your casual dismissal of my references while you offer none to support your own contentions is getting a bit tedious. Why do you think the list is bollocks? What do you think is likely to have changed over the last four years? Why should I simply take you at your word?
Just look at it. Does this seem remotely credible ?
60 Barristers and judges £40,242 -5.3
"Judges and Barristers" only seven hundred quid a year better off than "Police Officers (Sergeant and Below)"
Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?
My son was going to go into the Army because he thought it would save him doing all that tedious studying for A'levels and at college. Then he discovered that he would have to spend a similar amount of effort getting really fit, which would take away time from playing games on his XBox, so now he is looking at doing A'levels again :rolleyes:
Don't post Fox News sources about Hillary, it's a shame that reduces the credibility of the poster.
I told off PB for using the National Review as a credible source against Trump. It was debasing for the credibility of the writer and the site.
Never use naked partisan sources of questionable credibility.
What pretentious tosh.
Fine.
You believe the crap from Fox News that Hillary murdered someone.
Typical troll stuff from Assange/Putin/Trump. Trump says something then one of his allies tries to pin it on someone else. It's laughable, you'd have to be pretty stupid not to realise what is being done.
HurstLlama, your casual dismissal of my references while you offer none to support your own contentions is getting a bit tedious. Why do you think the list is bollocks? What do you think is likely to have changed over the last four years? Why should I simply take you at your word?
Just look at it. Does this seem remotely credible ?
60 Barristers and judges £40,242 -5.3
"Judges and Barristers" only seven hundred quid a year better off than "Police Officers (Sergeant and Below)"
The average criminal or family law barrister will be on about that unless they are a QC, commercial barristers on the other hand will almost all be in 6 figures or even 7 if they are at the very top
Sorry just catching up. Re:Tradesmen's earnings versus the graduate premium, unless one is academically very gifted (i.e. about 10% f the young people university would seem a very bad deal compared to taking up a skilled trade).
I have just had the final bill from the chap who ripped out the old and put in a new bathroom - £4,220 for two week's work, that is labour only, materials plus, tiles, fittings etc were in addition. How many people, graduates or otherwise, earn £2,000 a week? The bloke concerned is a graduate and used to work installing and maintaining flight simulators for CAe, he switched to a job that earns him more and allows him to spend more time at home with wife and family. He doesn't advertise, but is now booked solid until mid-January 2017.
The fellow I found, after months of searching, to repoint one corner of the house (five days work at £300 a day) has now pulled out, better money on offer elsewhere. The qualified plumber we had in to re-jig the hot water system prior to the new bathroom, £400 a day. Electricians cost about the same is you can get one (fellow at the pub runs a spark's business, and is run off his feet, cannot recruit enough qualified people and, get this, can't find youngsters to take on as apprentices).
Graduate premium, my bottom. Ok, a sparks is a sparks, a plumber a plumber and there is no career ladder to climb. But at 2 grand a week who would worry.
Most plumbers are on mid £20k or a little above, of course the more people train as plumbers and electricians the less demand there will be for them and the few who are very highly paid will diminish rapidly
HurstLlama, your casual dismissal of my references while you offer none to support your own contentions is getting a bit tedious. Why do you think the list is bollocks? What do you think is likely to have changed over the last four years? Why should I simply take you at your word?
Just look at it. Does this seem remotely credible ?
60 Barristers and judges £40,242 -5.3
"Judges and Barristers" only seven hundred quid a year better off than "Police Officers (Sergeant and Below)"
The average criminal or family law barrister will be on about that unless they are a QC, commercial barristers on the other hand will almost all be in 6 figures or even 7 if they are at the very top
In their first year maybe (even leaving judges to one side)
As a barrister’s level of experience grows, so their clients and cases will increase in value: a barrister with five years’ experience may expect to earn a salary between £50,000 and £200,000, while wages for those with 10 or more years’ experience might range from around £65,000 to over £1 million.
Sorry just catching up. Re:Tradesmen's earnings versus the graduate premium, unless one is academically very gifted (i.e. about 10% f the young people university would seem a very bad deal compared to taking up a skilled trade).
I have just had the final bill from the chap who ripped out the old and put in a new bathroom - £4,220 for two week's work, that is labour only, materials plus, tiles, fittings etc were in addition. How many people, graduates or otherwise, earn £2,000 a week? The bloke concerned is a graduate and used to work installing and maintaining flight simulators for CAe, he switched to a job that earns him more and allows him to spend more time at home with wife and family. He doesn't advertise, but is now booked solid until mid-January 2017.
The fellow I found, after months of searching, to repoint one corner of the house (five days work at £300 a day) has now pulled out, better money on offer elsewhere. The qualified plumber we had in to re-jig the hot water system prior to the new bathroom, £400 a day. Electricians cost about the same is you can get one (fellow at the pub runs a spark's business, and is run off his feet, cannot recruit enough qualified people and, get this, can't find youngsters to take on as apprentices).
Graduate premium, my bottom. Ok, a sparks is a sparks, a plumber a plumber and there is no career ladder to climb. But at 2 grand a week who would worry.
Most plumbers are on mid £20k or a little above, of course the more people train as plumbers and electricians the less demand there will be for them and the few who are very highly paid will diminish rapidly
Source please ? With special reference to your use of the word "most"
Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?
My son was going to go into the Army because he thought it would save him doing all that tedious studying for A'levels and at college. Then he discovered that he would have to spend a similar amount of effort getting really fit, which would take away time from playing games on his XBox, so now he is looking at doing A'levels again :rolleyes:
Five nephews: one brickie, one long distance lorry driver (but he's a trained joiner), one sports physio (with a national team), one software developer, one fashion designer. Middle two have degrees.
Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?
* tumbleweed *
I answered you above ;-) But obviously its a hard sell to most kids, who are not yet interested in things like student loans, it seems like 4 years of paid drinking, partying and getting laid, with some studying and lessons on the side. It's hard work suggesting they give that up and go and learn a trade even if it would make more sense in many cases.
Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?
My son was going to go into the Army because he thought it would save him doing all that tedious studying for A'levels and at college. Then he discovered that he would have to spend a similar amount of effort getting really fit, which would take away time from playing games on his XBox, so now he is looking at doing A'levels again :rolleyes:
Five nephews: one brickie, one long distance lorry driver (but he's a trained joiner), one sports physio (with a national team), one software developer, one fashion designer. Middle two have degrees.
HurstLlama, your casual dismissal of my references while you offer none to support your own contentions is getting a bit tedious. Why do you think the list is bollocks? What do you think is likely to have changed over the last four years? Why should I simply take you at your word?
Just look at it. Does this seem remotely credible ?
60 Barristers and judges £40,242 -5.3
"Judges and Barristers" only seven hundred quid a year better off than "Police Officers (Sergeant and Below)"
The average criminal or family law barrister will be on about that unless they are a QC, commercial barristers on the other hand will almost all be in 6 figures or even 7 if they are at the very top
In their first year maybe (even leaving judges to one side)
As a barrister’s level of experience grows, so their clients and cases will increase in value: a barrister with five years’ experience may expect to earn a salary between £50,000 and £200,000, while wages for those with 10 or more years’ experience might range from around £65,000 to over £1 million.
Notice you use the word barrister rather than noting their practice area which is far more important. Most criminal barristers are on about £15k as pupils their commercial counterparts on about £50k and even if criminal barristers do earn around £65k after a decade or two once you take into account chamber's fees and costume hire and travel costs etc it is nothing like that. Most legal aid barristers will never reach that level anyway. It is only the commercial barristers who really make millions at the Bar
HurstLlama, your casual dismissal of my references while you offer none to support your own contentions is getting a bit tedious. Why do you think the list is bollocks? What do you think is likely to have changed over the last four years? Why should I simply take you at your word?
Just look at it. Does this seem remotely credible ?
60 Barristers and judges £40,242 -5.3
"Judges and Barristers" only seven hundred quid a year better off than "Police Officers (Sergeant and Below)"
The average criminal or family law barrister will be on about that unless they are a QC, commercial barristers on the other hand will almost all be in 6 figures or even 7 if they are at the very top
In their first year maybe (even leaving judges to one side)
As a barrister’s level of experience grows, so their clients and cases will increase in value: a barrister with five years’ experience may expect to earn a salary between £50,000 and £200,000, while wages for those with 10 or more years’ experience might range from around £65,000 to over £1 million.
Notice you use the word barrister rather than noting their practice area which is far more important. Most criminal barristers are on about £15k as pupils their commercial counterparts on about £50k and even if criminal barristers do earn around £65k after a decade or two once you take into account chamber's fees and costume hire and travel costs etc it is nothing like that. Most legal aid barristers will never reach that level anyway. It is only the commercial barristers who really make millions at the Bar
I didn't use anything of the sort, I quoted from an article written on the subject of barrister's salaries. I think you would call black a type of white if you thought you could make an argument out of it.
Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?
My son was going to go into the Army because he thought it would save him doing all that tedious studying for A'levels and at college. Then he discovered that he would have to spend a similar amount of effort getting really fit, which would take away time from playing games on his XBox, so now he is looking at doing A'levels again :rolleyes:
Five nephews: one brickie, one long distance lorry driver (but he's a trained joiner), one sports physio (with a national team), one software developer, one fashion designer. Middle two have degrees.
Which ones earn the most money?
Software developer, brickie, lorry driver in that order. The other two are on pretty crap money.
Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?
My son was going to go into the Army because he thought it would save him doing all that tedious studying for A'levels and at college. Then he discovered that he would have to spend a similar amount of effort getting really fit, which would take away time from playing games on his XBox, so now he is looking at doing A'levels again :rolleyes:
Five nephews: one brickie, one long distance lorry driver (but he's a trained joiner), one sports physio (with a national team), one software developer, one fashion designer. Middle two have degrees.
Which ones earn the most money?
Software developer, brickie, lorry driver in that order. The other two are on pretty crap money.
That's what I would have guessed, though I imagine fashion designer is one of those trades which is usually badly paid, apart from an elite few who can earn shedloads. Edit: And I suppose that sports physio is one of those jobs done more for the glamour than the money.
Sorry just catching up. Re:Tradesmen's earnings versus the graduate premium, unless one is academically very gifted (i.e. about 10% f the young people university would seem a very bad deal compared to taking up a skilled trade).
I have just had the final bill from the chap who ripped out the old and put in a new bathroom - £4,220 for two week's work, that is labour only, materials plus, tiles, fittings etc were in addition. How many people, graduates or otherwise, earn £2,000 a week? The bloke concerned is a graduate and used to work installing and maintaining flight simulators for CAe, he switched to a job that earns him more and allows him to spend more time at home with wife and family. He doesn't advertise, but is now booked solid until mid-January 2017.
The fellow I found, after months of searching, to repoint one corner of the house (five days work at £300 a day) has now pulled out, better money on offer elsewhere. The qualified plumber we had in to re-jig the hot water system prior to the new bathroom, £400 a day. Electricians cost about the same is you can get one (fellow at the pub runs a spark's business, and is run off his feet, cannot recruit enough qualified people and, get this, can't find youngsters to take on as apprentices).
Graduate premium, my bottom. Ok, a sparks is a sparks, a plumber a plumber and there is no career ladder to climb. But at 2 grand a week who would worry.
Most plumbers are on mid £20k or a little above, of course the more people train as plumbers and electricians the less demand there will be for them and the few who are very highly paid will diminish rapidly
Source please ? With special reference to your use of the word "most"
Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?
My son was going to go into the Army because he thought it would save him doing all that tedious studying for A'levels and at college. Then he discovered that he would have to spend a similar amount of effort getting really fit, which would take away time from playing games on his XBox, so now he is looking at doing A'levels again :rolleyes:
Five nephews: one brickie, one long distance lorry driver (but he's a trained joiner), one sports physio (with a national team), one software developer, one fashion designer. Middle two have degrees.
Anyone on PB have kids they told to go into a trade instead of going to university? What was the outcome?
My son was going to go into the Army because he thought it would save him doing all that tedious studying for A'levels and at college. Then he discovered that he would have to spend a similar amount of effort getting really fit, which would take away time from playing games on his XBox, so now he is looking at doing A'levels again :rolleyes:
Five nephews: one brickie, one long distance lorry driver (but he's a trained joiner), one sports physio (with a national team), one software developer, one fashion designer. Middle two have degrees.
Middle two, out of five?
It's been a long day . It's exhausting correcting all the people who are wrong on the Internet, including yours truly .
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6: Great Britain
4: China; US
3: Australia
2: Italy, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Japan, Colombia
1: North Korea, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland, Ukraine, India, Slovakia, Mexico, Spain, South Africa, Russia, Hungary, Netherlands, Kazakhstan, Dominica, Latvia, Ecuador
Was the GMB poll just for affiliated supporters? If not, there is no comparison to be made
But what are the chances that his medic similarly thumps the table all the time when he writes medical reports?
PS "Perhaps" is an adverb, so didn't you just break your own rule?
Smith is now going to claim "union mandate" all the way.
But he will be lying.
There is nothing that can be extrapolated from a very small turnout result from one union. And he knows it.
It is not enough to stop Momentum. And he knows that too.
It was always clear that this election was going to feature a huge dose of macho crap on the Republican side, and as Germaine Greer says, never underestimate that stuff.
If Trump survives the next few days, he's going to appear in the debates and do well in them, I reckon.
Have you read Robert Cialdini's book Influence? It's required reading in the field. It's up there with Ogilvy on Advertising.
Influence: the psychology of persuasion?
Yes, it's awesome
However, that has nothing to do with the supposed graduate premium, which I would argue for most students is non-existent and that they would be better off going into a trade. Actually, for most bright, fit but not academically gifted youngsters the best bet is to go in to HM Forces and let them teach you a trade while you have fun and adventure for a few years. E.g. the RN is desperate for engineers and will not only train youngsters but pay them well and send them off shagging and drinking around the world as part of the deal and with more sport than they can cope with. Got to better than £30k plus worth of debt for a crap degree from a crap Uni.
It's an absolute disaster for Owen Smith to only win the @GMB_union nomination 60/40. This is a very right wing union due to Blarite cllrs.
Well, can't argue with that, can you..?
"Support Corbyn?"
"No"
"Tory..."
Part of the problem these days is that when applying for jobs, employers use the "no degree" check to eliminate non-graduates - a lazy way of narrowing the field. This is unfair, but puts pressure on kids to get a degree (any degree). Another bad result from pushing too many to go to uni.
They can, of course, start their own trade or business.
(no commas were harmed, in the making, of this post)
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-2269520/Best-paid-jobs-2012-Official-figures-national-average-UK-salaries-400-occupations.html
@SophyRidgeSky: Watson has written to Corbyn asking him to confirm members of "far-left" parties shouldn't be able to join Labour https://t.co/AaoTZ3Kqt6
Converting people to your way of thinking is how politics works
Whilst you're about - do you know anything about the story that Suicide Squad was re-shot in large chunks to match the trailer as previewers didn't like the director's version? Read an interesting article about it, but wondered if it was anywhere near the truth.
Several of us have wondered what the hell he's playing at. Now I know
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If you are advising a teenager who doesn't know what career to do, point him or her to this one:
40 Waste disposal and environmental services managers £45,982 15.7 (% increase since 2011)
It's an unglamorous but reasonably fulfilling job with 100% employment prospects after coming out of college
Unbelievable, and yet somehow inevitable...
[Burhs were fortified towns whose people benefited from the defence they manned whilst also meaning there were safe places for the Saxon army to stop and the fyrd rotations system (I think it was by thirds or maybe halves) enabled easier raising of soldiers even during harvest time].
It gave various statements which I regarded as leading questions and I was left with the impression that the poll was actually trying to change opinion rather than polling opinion. After each set of statements, it asked something along the lines of - after considering the previous question, now how would you vote? It felt like I was expected to change my mind.
It could just be an exercise by the Smith camp to try and find out which attack lines are the better ones to use as the campaign goes on.
I hope the results are printed in full, to enable others to see what I mean.
"Perhaps because he, actually, wanted to emphasise it?"
That list is for years old and was probably complete boll***s when it was compiled.
@MarkHopkins
Lazy by the employers without a doubt. Such employers will go to the wall in due course (I bet every one that uses that sort of screening has a big HR department and a grand HQ building). The point is that is one has the earning potential of £2k per week then what some Doris in HR wants doesn't really matter.
Went out shopping in the nearest town today. There is a building site there that had a sign on the hoarding surrounding it, "Bricklayers wanted - £500 per week". That sign was there two months ago.
Even if it does exist it probably was carried by Survation not Yougov, since Smith's phonebanks are located in their offices.
Who are you? I've never heard you? The whole of the UK has never heard of you?
Have to admit, as a Corbyn supporter, when I get emails from the Owen Smith team asking me who I am supporting, I always say I am undecided. Call me paranoid, but knowing that the Labour Party seem to be looking for any excuse to bar Corbyn supporters from voting, telling the Smith camp that I am voting for Corbyn seems akin to putting a large target on my forehead! So if they are using feedback from their email shots then I would imagine there are other Corbyn supporters just as paranoid and will be non-committal
Attempting to enforce group-think is a dangerous route.
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/763345197442793472
I told off PB for using the National Review as a credible source against Trump.
It was debasing for the credibility of the writer and the site.
Never use naked partisan sources of questionable credibility.
Who made you site editor?
Partisan sources of questionable credibility should not be used if someone wants to present a credible case.
Regardless of being this site editor or not, which I'm not, Fox News is not a credible source regarding Hillary.
The average person will never believe it, simply because the news outlet that reports it is well known for it's extreme bias against democrats.
You believe the crap from Fox News that Hillary murdered someone.
Perhaps because he wanted to emphasise it.
No question mark either.
https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks/status/763404564150095873
60 Barristers and judges £40,242 -5.3
"Judges and Barristers" only seven hundred quid a year better off than "Police Officers (Sergeant and Below)"
Snopes - http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/
http://www.allaboutlaw.co.uk/stage/becoming-a-lawyer/the-truth-about-lawyers-salaries
As a barrister’s level of experience grows, so their clients and cases will increase in value: a barrister with five years’ experience may expect to earn a salary between £50,000 and £200,000, while wages for those with 10 or more years’ experience might range from around £65,000 to over £1 million.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-in-fourth-place-among-black-voters/
http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Plumber/Hourly_Rate