Quite. The only way to deal with such problems is openness, and equal treatment before the law. The communitarian approach of not prosecuting/concealing crimes on a racial basis is... racist.
It is quite useful to try a search-and-replace on a story involving ethnic groups. Substitute different ethnic groups. See how your thoughts and responses change. It is a rather good way of examining your own prejudices.
For example, take some posts by Roger or Tyson that involve their... observations on the British WWC. Substitute, say "Rastifarians"....
But nobody on PB says, e.g., that all WWC might need to be deported or sent to internment (i.e. concentration) camps.
I think that saying that (say) Rastifarians have innately negative characteristics as regards their ideas, beliefs, morals etc in the forthright terms that some posters use for their chosen "out groups" would be regarded as racsist.
The problem is that many people are now playing a game of racial trumps - where the level of dislike/hatred you can show to a group is factor of where the group ranks...
Saying "I hate " is always evil, wrong and stupid.
I think so too, but there is a perfectly serviceable word for them which is classist. Bizarre that some of these people self-affiliate with the Labour Party, which is the main white working-class party out there, but there you go.
Having said that, it is no more sensible to draw conclusions about large numbers of people from those intemperate remarks, than it is to draw similar conclusions from those on PB who say Muslims might all need to be deported or sent to concentration camps in a few years. Like it or not, there seems to be a premium on intemperate drama here.
I cannot see the LibDems appealing to left of centre Labour voters in the foreseeable future. For all their troubles Labour will have little difficulty in reminding such people that the LibDems helped put the Tories in office and can be expected to do so again if given the chance.Those who voted LibDem in 2010 and earlier will not forget their sense of betrayal.
That will be a decade old in 2020, and I can see the Coalition being seen already as a golden era of good government. Foxjr and his mates are coming round to the LDs despite tuition fees (which seem to have been around forever to their generation) as they like the LD stance over foreign wars and Europe. It is very possible for the LDs to gain a lot of the youth vote.
The LDs used to be fairly big on campus as I recall (I noticed their presence at University of leicester anyway), but of course they need more than the fickle youth vote.
I cannot see the LibDems appealing to left of centre Labour voters in the foreseeable future. For all their troubles Labour will have little difficulty in reminding such people that the LibDems helped put the Tories in office and can be expected to do so again if given the chance.Those who voted LibDem in 2010 and earlier will not forget their sense of betrayal.
Betrayal is an odd choice of word - Despite no formal pact in place, Labour supporters have long voted Lib Dem as an anti-Tory vote where they thought it would be most advantageous to them. – Betrayal would only apply if Labour regarded the Lib Dems as their own, personally useful idiots. - Ahh.
Exactly so - even quite senior Labour politicians seem to have regarded the Lib-Dems as Spare Labour.
Still do, as do some LDs bizarrely. They are expected to be partners in a progressive alliance, failing to back Labour up is a betrayal of that, even if they could oppose the Tories without being lapdogs.
"Rafa (from Brazil) said he came to the UK in May 2015 to "try his luck" at getting work, and used a false National Insurance card and a fake Italian identity card to get a job at Byron."
deserves any sympathy.
What are the plod supposed to do? Phone ahead and say excuse me sir we know you are here illegally, would you mind putting yourself on a plane and going home. And we are sorry Rafa for any inconvenience that might cause.
I cannot see the LibDems appealing to left of centre Labour voters in the foreseeable future. For all their troubles Labour will have little difficulty in reminding such people that the LibDems helped put the Tories in office and can be expected to do so again if given the chance.Those who voted LibDem in 2010 and earlier will not forget their sense of betrayal.
Betrayal is an odd choice of word - Despite no formal pact in place, Labour supporters have long voted Lib Dem as an anti-Tory vote where they thought it would be most advantageous to them. – Betrayal would only apply if Labour regarded the Lib Dems as their own, personally useful idiots. - Ahh.
It is nevertheless how many of those voters feel. It is also often forgotten that many former Labour voters switched to the LibDems because they could not abide New Labour and its NeoThatcheite agenda.Many of those people - unlike myself - are now likely to be Corbyn supporters. No way that they will go back to the LibDems!
Just over evens on Hilary getting between 44% and 50% of the vote. She hasn't been polling over 50% very often... and feels as though this time Gary Johnson may take a reasonable number of votes...
And Trump hasn't yet started any TV advertising. Ads like this on heavy rotation will surely have an impact.
That's a powerful advert that could easily backfire if it means American voters keep tight hold of nurse rather than entrust the nuclear codes to a man who'd let Russia invade Estonia but might start a war if his breakfast kippers were cold.
"Rafa (from Brazil) said he came to the UK in May 2015 to "try his luck" at getting work, and used a false National Insurance card and a fake Italian identity card to get a job at Byron."
deserves any sympathy.
What are the plod supposed to do? Phone ahead and say excuse me sir we know you are here illegally, would you mind putting yourself on a plane and going home. And we are sorry Rafa for any inconvenience that might cause.
Should consider himself lucky he wasn't shot multiple times.
While there was at least some plausible science behind the concept of detection of a large box full of high voltage tubes; the idea that they can identify the source of packets on an encrypted wifi connection is absolute rubbish.
I can believe that the technology to crack wifi connections might exist, but it's not the sort of thing that can happen as a van drives down the road. It would take human skills and time to engineer, is possibly used by MI5 to monitor terrorists rather than the BBC to monitor licence fee payments.
Absolutely - just like the widely believed bluff that License Fee detector vans could identify people watching TV!
To be fair the quote is, “Detection vans can identify viewing on a non-TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set."
I.e. they detect using intimidation.
The sooner we move to funding public service TV from general taxation or advertising or similar, the better. Both methods are less regressive than the TV poll tax, neither can be evaded.
HTF can they distinguish between watching an online video of squirrels and watching BBC3 on its Youtube channel? Watching Youtube videos is the obvious legal defence, unless the Gestapo (John Whittingdale's words, not mine) catch a household in the act of watching TV.
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
While there was at least some plausible science behind the concept of detection of a large box full of high voltage tubes; the idea that they can identify the source of packets on an encrypted wifi connection is absolute rubbish.
I can believe that the technology to crack wifi connections might exist, but it's not the sort of thing that can happen as a van drives down the road. It would take human skills and time to engineer, is possibly used by MI5 to monitor terrorists rather than the BBC to monitor licence fee payments.
Not my area of expertise, but yes you can crack WIFI encryption with enough time and effort (I did it as an academic exercise on a friends network...its illegal to do so without their knowledge). But they explicitly say they aren't doing that.
And yes the security services can do it very easily and it is also believed they have methods to crack popular VPN protocols (but it takes super computers to do so).
Can you packet sniff and work out possible packet type. Some academic material has claimed to be able to do this for Skype, but it really is finger in the air the stuff. Also, as soon as you use something like a VPN etc all the packets aren't sniffable, well not being able to see really what is going on.
The thought they can uniquely identify iPlayer vs any other streaming and prove who it is. Remember even showing use on a network isn't proof of an individual using it. Lots of criminal cases have fallen down because they similar said such and such IP address did this.
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On a similar note, Vice had a brilliant piece on surveillance tech. That had some guys give a demo showing how they had hacked common office tech such as printers and landline phones, such that they would signal out data use via radio signal (without actually adding anything physical to the device) it was quite brilliant.
Absolutely - just like the widely believed bluff that License Fee detector vans could identify people watching TV!
To be fair the quote is, “Detection vans can identify viewing on a non-TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set."
I.e. they detect using intimidation.
The sooner we move to funding public service TV from general taxation or advertising or similar, the better. Both methods are less regressive than the TV poll tax, neither can be evaded.
HTF can they distinguish between watching an online video of squirrels and watching BBC3 on its Youtube channel? Watching Youtube videos is the obvious legal defence, unless the Gestapo (John Whittingdale's words, not mine) catch a household in the act of watching TV.
It shows how Whittingdale stuffed it up -- conspiracy theorists would say deliberately -- in turning the licence from a tax on telly-watching into a BBC subscription.
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
While there was at least some plausible science behind the concept of detection of a large box full of high voltage tubes; the idea that they can identify the source of packets on an encrypted wifi connection is absolute rubbish.
I can believe that the technology to crack wifi connections might exist, but it's not the sort of thing that can happen as a van drives down the road. It would take human skills and time to engineer, is possibly used by MI5 to monitor terrorists rather than the BBC to monitor licence fee payments.
Not my area of expertise, but yes you can crack WIFI encryption with enough time and effort (I did it as an academic exercise on a friends network...its illegal to do so without their knowledge). But they explicitly say they aren't doing that.
And yes the security services can do it very easily and it is also believed they have methods to crack popular VPN protocols (but it takes super computers to do so).
Can you packet sniff and work out possible packet type. Some academic material has claimed to be able to do this for Skype, but it really is finger in the air the stuff. Also, as soon as you use something like a VPN etc all the packets aren't sniffable, well not being able to see really what is going on.
The thought they can uniquely identify iPlayer vs any other streaming and prove who it is. Remember even showing use on a network isn't proof of an individual using it. Lots of criminal cases have fallen down because they similar said such and such IP address did this.
The Register article linked by @MarkHopkins below is a good analysis of the technical issues. It's not certain they can do what they're saying they can do, and what they're saying they can do is very wooly and ambiguous.
A good starting point would be the linking of a particular network to a household - in a way that could stand up in court - in anything but a very rural environment is going to prove almost impossible.
In practice, it will be interesting to see what happens the first time someone challenges them in court. If I were a betting man - ahem - I'd say they'll back down in individual cases rather than have their evidence challenged.
Interesting thoughts from David.There EUref has provided political parties with highly valuable information.In the LibDem case the 48% Yes are up for grabs and they will know exactly where they are.They're off life support,conscious and breathing without the aid of pumps.Distinctive policies on electoral reform and drug policy reform are major selling points for them and will have road-tested to find there is a harvest in votes the amongst the NOTAs. As for Labour,it is clear the key relationship in the PLP has broken down and seems pretty irreconciable..Jeremy 1st act when re-elected needs to call for a replacement for Tom Watson,who will have alternative but to resign and Labour will have a further Deputy Leader election post-conference.The failure of Labour to elect a woman hurts which is why there needs to be an All-Woman Shortlist for women. Therefore,a Deputy Leader market needs to be tissued on that basis.Further more the field can be narrowed down to removing any women who supported the Iraq War.Lisa Nandy would be clear fav but look to the list of 40 MPs who are supporting the leader,not those who are against.Jeremy needs his Barbara Castle, a rock of steel.DianeAbott,Kate Osamor,Cat Smith are possibilities but the clever play would be Gisela Stuart.
Corbyn will be in no position to force Watson to resign. Watson can simply adopt the line used by the Corbynites - 'If you want to replace me put up a challenger!' Too late to do it now before Autumn 2017 anyway.
Somebody should poll how the LibDems would do if they had Clegg back. I know he didn't go out on a high note, but between the clown-shoes Brexit negotiations and the Winter of Discontent Nostalgia Party there might be a market not just for centrism, but also for competence and experience.
To a party outsider, that seems to be the real barrier to LD progress. Farron is far less convincing as a leader than Clegg, and I can't think of any serious talent emerging.
They're pretty 'hollowed out' north of the border, though I know little about their operation in England - do they have the candidates to make real progress, or are they just hoping for Labour hopelessness sending centrist voters their way?
(also, bravo for 'Winter of Discontent Nostalgia Party')
How did they gain those fptp seats in the Scottish Parliament? Surprising.
They correctly identified seats which had been LD in the past and where they were most likely to be able to mount a strong challenge to the SNP (e.g. North East Fife) and concentrated resources there. Paid off, albeit in a minor way. Their leader in Scotland, Willie Rennie, seems a fairly affable bloke and had a reasonably high profile campaign.
It was the pigs that got him noticed. Animal porn always attracts the viewers.
Absolutely - just like the widely believed bluff that License Fee detector vans could identify people watching TV!
To be fair the quote is, “Detection vans can identify viewing on a non-TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set."
I.e. they detect using intimidation.
The sooner we move to funding public service TV from general taxation or advertising or similar, the better. Both methods are less regressive than the TV poll tax, neither can be evaded.
HTF can they distinguish between watching an online video of squirrels and watching BBC3 on its Youtube channel? Watching Youtube videos is the obvious legal defence, unless the Gestapo (John Whittingdale's words, not mine) catch a household in the act of watching TV.
It shows how Whittingdale stuffed it up -- conspiracy theorists would say deliberately -- in turning the licence from a tax on telly-watching into a BBC subscription.
Probably so, given his antipathy to the BBC. I think I heard his successor is 'friendly' to the BBC. Wikipedia lists the ways other countries use to find public service TV and a lot do it without needing a licence fee/poll tax.
Somebody should poll how the LibDems would do if they had Clegg back. I know he didn't go out on a high note, but between the clown-shoes Brexit negotiations and the Winter of Discontent Nostalgia Party there might be a market not just for centrism, but also for competence and experience.
To a party outsider, that seems to be the real barrier to LD progress. Farron is far less convincing as a leader than Clegg, and I can't think of any serious talent emerging.
They're pretty 'hollowed out' north of the border, though I know little about their operation in England - do they have the candidates to make real progress, or are they just hoping for Labour hopelessness sending centrist voters their way?
(also, bravo for 'Winter of Discontent Nostalgia Party')
How did they gain those fptp seats in the Scottish Parliament? Surprising.
They correctly identified seats which had been LD in the past and where they were most likely to be able to mount a strong challenge to the SNP (e.g. North East Fife) and concentrated resources there. Paid off, albeit in a minor way. Their leader in Scotland, Willie Rennie, seems a fairly affable bloke and had a reasonably high profile campaign.
It was the pigs that got him noticed. Animal porn always attracts the viewers.
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
If the Byron protestors were to be believed they were virtually manacled, put in Orange jump suits and slung in the cargo hold of the next flight.....
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
If the Byron protestors were to be believed they were virtually manacled, put in Orange jump suits and slung in the cargo hold of the next flight.....
Was this while David Miliband was Foreign Secretary?
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
If the Byron protestors were to be believed they were virtually manacled, put in Orange jump suits and slung in the cargo hold of the next flight.....
I believe the protesters main objection was the false allegation, that the Byron burger chain had colluded with the immigration services in arresting these illegals, as if that is justification for their repugnant actions.
The protesters obviously have little or no respect for - the laws of the land, basic honesty, people trying to run a business or patrons attempting to enjoy their meal. – They are simply juvenile, privileged little wannabe anarchist.
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
If the Byron protestors were to be believed they were virtually manacled, put in Orange jump suits and slung in the cargo hold of the next flight.....
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
If the Byron protestors were to be believed they were virtually manacled, put in Orange jump suits and slung in the cargo hold of the next flight.....
Worse than that - they had to fly Ryanair.
Oh, the inhumanity! Cruel and unusual punishment indeed.
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
If the Byron protestors were to be believed they were virtually manacled, put in Orange jump suits and slung in the cargo hold of the next flight.....
I believe the protesters main objection was the false allegation, that the Byron burger chain had colluded with the immigration services in arresting these illegals, as if that is justification for their repugnant actions.
The protesters obviously have little or no respect for - the laws of the land, basic honesty, people trying to run a business or patrons attempting to enjoy their meal. – They are simply juvenile, privileged little wannabe anarchist.
I wouldn’t be too suprised if there was a bit of nodding and winking somewhere lowish in Byron’s management chain.. And maybe it got further up.
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
If the Byron protestors were to be believed they were virtually manacled, put in Orange jump suits and slung in the cargo hold of the next flight.....
Worse than that - they had to fly Ryanair.
At least Ryanair’s usually on time. And when you buy the ticket you know exactly what you’re getting, and what you can have. No if’s, no buts!
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here....a long long way to go. But if I am going to get a good day out, your plan sounds perfect ;-)
Rafa said the immigration officials treated him well, giving him the opportunity to go home and collect his belongings. He knew the risks he faced and that "if something happens you can be arrested or deported".
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
Indeed - Perhaps it was care and consideration shown to him at his arrest that he objected to.
If the Byron protestors were to be believed they were virtually manacled, put in Orange jump suits and slung in the cargo hold of the next flight.....
I believe the protesters main objection was the false allegation, that the Byron burger chain had colluded with the immigration services in arresting these illegals, as if that is justification for their repugnant actions.
The protesters obviously have little or no respect for - the laws of the land, basic honesty, people trying to run a business or patrons attempting to enjoy their meal. – They are simply juvenile, privileged little wannabe anarchist.
As if Byron had much choice in the matter once the Home Office had identified a bunch of workers on false documents.
Do the protestors simultaneously think that the workers on false papers have every right to be employed and the directors of the company should be jailed for employing them?
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here....a long long way to go. But if I am going to get a good day out, your plan sounds perfect ;-)
There goes Root, maybe we are getting a little ahead of ourselves here!
What are the plod supposed to do? Phone ahead and say excuse me sir we know you are here illegally, would you mind putting yourself on a plane and going home. And we are sorry Rafa for any inconvenience that might cause.
Without expressing a view on the specific case, I remember my (Russian-born) mum saying that friends who were indeed being deported before the war were bewildered by the extremely polite deportation notice. It ran something like: "We regret to say that your visa has expired and we believe that you are currently overstaying. We should be grateful if you would present yourselves to an immigration office to arrange for your departure at your earliest convenience." The recipients were unsure whether they were really being deported or not...
Just finishing my US stay. Anecdotally, I'm struck by the number of WWC voters, including some "good old boys" from the South (at the 1000-strong games convention I attended and spoke at), who say they plan not to vote for Trump, because they don't respect him/think he's an idiot. "I don't necessarily disagree with all his policies, but having a President who I can respect is big for me. The guy is a flake." was a typical comment, from a burly retired postal worker. Not meeting many Hillary fans either, but she is seen as capable.
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here....a long long way to go. But if I am going to get a good day out, your plan sounds perfect ;-)
There goes Root, maybe we are getting a little ahead of ourselves here!
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Talking of watching on demand etc, I've just watched on iplayer, Frank Skinner on Demand with Martin Kemp. When reviewing a documentary about London's Olympic opening ceremony he said, "It's not often one is proud of this country, I think, because I think that pride in your country, in this country, always sounds a little like borderline fascism".
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
Talking of watching on demand etc, I've just watched on iplayer, Frank Skinner on Demand with Martin Kemp. When reviewing a documentary about London's Olympic opening ceremony he said, "It's not often one is proud of this country, I think, because I think that pride in your country, in this country, always sounds a little like borderline fascism".
Talking of watching on demand etc, I've just watched on iplayer, Frank Skinner on Demand with Martin Kemp. When reviewing a documentary about London's Olympic opening ceremony he said, "It's not often one is proud of this country, I think, because I think that pride in your country, in this country, always sounds a little like borderline fascism".
When he sees England flags and white vans...I wonder what he thinks?
Talking of watching on demand etc, I've just watched on iplayer, Frank Skinner on Demand with Martin Kemp. When reviewing a documentary about London's Olympic opening ceremony he said, "It's not often one is proud of this country, I think, because I think that pride in your country, in this country, always sounds a little like borderline fascism".
More like if it is not pride in certain acceptable parameters (parameters which are usually about very modern things which are not even necessarily British but global values) it is accused of being borderline fascist.
What are the plod supposed to do? Phone ahead and say excuse me sir we know you are here illegally, would you mind putting yourself on a plane and going home. And we are sorry Rafa for any inconvenience that might cause.
Without expressing a view on the specific case, I remember my (Russian-born) mum saying that friends who were indeed being deported before the war were bewildered by the extremely polite deportation notice. It ran something like: "We regret to say that your visa has expired and we believe that you are currently overstaying. We should be grateful if you would present yourselves to an immigration office to arrange for your departure at your earliest convenience." The recipients were unsure whether they were really being deported or not...
Just finishing my US stay. Anecdotally, ...[snip Bobby Ewing shower stuff]... seen as capable.
Yay! I don't know how we've coped without Nick's completely made up campaign trail anecdotes for so long.
Talking of watching on demand etc, I've just watched on iplayer, Frank Skinner on Demand with Martin Kemp. When reviewing a documentary about London's Olympic opening ceremony he said, "It's not often one is proud of this country, I think, because I think that pride in your country, in this country, always sounds a little like borderline fascism".
When he sees England flags and white vans...I wonder what he thinks?
I cannot see the LibDems appealing to left of centre Labour voters in the foreseeable future. For all their troubles Labour will have little difficulty in reminding such people that the LibDems helped put the Tories in office and can be expected to do so again if given the chance.Those who voted LibDem in 2010 and earlier will not forget their sense of betrayal.
Betrayal is an odd choice of word - Despite no formal pact in place, Labour supporters have long voted Lib Dem as an anti-Tory vote where they thought it would be most advantageous to them. – Betrayal would only apply if Labour regarded the Lib Dems as their own, personally useful idiots. - Ahh.
Well as a Labour sympathiser in a 2010 safe Tory seat where the Lib Dems were a good second and the people I actually wanted a distant third I voted Lib Dem as it seemed like the best option. Okay, it didn't work. I don't feel particularly betrayed. The Lib Dems had as much right to do a deal with the Tories as they did with Labour in my opinion. If similar circumstances arose again I wouldn't rule out voting for them again - but they've got a lot of work to do to get back there.
What are the plod supposed to do? Phone ahead and say excuse me sir we know you are here illegally, would you mind putting yourself on a plane and going home. And we are sorry Rafa for any inconvenience that might cause.
Without expressing a view on the specific case, I remember my (Russian-born) mum saying that friends who were indeed being deported before the war were bewildered by the extremely polite deportation notice. It ran something like: "We regret to say that your visa has expired and we believe that you are currently overstaying. We should be grateful if you would present yourselves to an immigration office to arrange for your departure at your earliest convenience." The recipients were unsure whether they were really being deported or not...
Just finishing my US stay. Anecdotally, I'm struck by the number of WWC voters, including some "good old boys" from the South (at the 1000-strong games convention I attended and spoke at), who say they plan not to vote for Trump, because they don't respect him/think he's an idiot. "I don't necessarily disagree with all his policies, but having a President who I can respect is big for me. The guy is a flake." was a typical comment, from a burly retired postal worker. Not meeting many Hillary fans either, but she is seen as capable.
At the moment Hillary has the advantage but the latest Reuters/Ipsos today has her lead back to 3% and if Trump wins the first debate it will be back to neck and neck again. As you suggest most voters are not fans of either but it will come down to which they dislike the least http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN10G2BQ
What are the plod supposed to do? Phone ahead and say excuse me sir we know you are here illegally, would you mind putting yourself on a plane and going home. And we are sorry Rafa for any inconvenience that might cause.
Without expressing a view on the specific case, I remember my (Russian-born) mum saying that friends who were indeed being deported before the war were bewildered by the extremely polite deportation notice. It ran something like: "We regret to say that your visa has expired and we believe that you are currently overstaying. We should be grateful if you would present yourselves to an immigration office to arrange for your departure at your earliest convenience." The recipients were unsure whether they were really being deported or not...
Just finishing my US stay. Anecdotally, I'm struck by the number of WWC voters, including some "good old boys" from the South (at the 1000-strong games convention I attended and spoke at), who say they plan not to vote for Trump, because they don't respect him/think he's an idiot. "I don't necessarily disagree with all his policies, but having a President who I can respect is big for me. The guy is a flake." was a typical comment, from a burly retired postal worker. Not meeting many Hillary fans either, but she is seen as capable.
At the moment Hillary has the advantage but the latest Reuters/Ipsos today has her lead back to 3% and if Trump wins the first debate it will be back to neck and neck again. As you suggest most voters are not fans of either but it will come down to which they dislike the least http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN10G2BQ
At the risk of being even more boring, it doesn’t matter what the overall polls figures say as much as those in States that are likely to change. AIUI HRC is liekly to win most states.
What are the plod supposed to do? Phone ahead and say excuse me sir we know you are here illegally, would you mind putting yourself on a plane and going home. And we are sorry Rafa for any inconvenience that might cause.
Without expressing a view on the specific case, I remember my (Russian-born) mum saying that friends who were indeed being deported before the war were bewildered by the extremely polite deportation notice. It ran something like: "We regret to say that your visa has expired and we believe that you are currently overstaying. We should be grateful if you would present yourselves to an immigration office to arrange for your departure at your earliest convenience." The recipients were unsure whether they were really being deported or not...
Just finishing my US stay. Anecdotally, I'm struck by the number of WWC voters, including some "good old boys" from the South (at the 1000-strong games convention I attended and spoke at), who say they plan not to vote for Trump, because they don't respect him/think he's an idiot. "I don't necessarily disagree with all his policies, but having a President who I can respect is big for me. The guy is a flake." was a typical comment, from a burly retired postal worker. Not meeting many Hillary fans either, but she is seen as capable.
At the moment Hillary has the advantage but the latest Reuters/Ipsos today has her lead back to 3% and if Trump wins the first debate it will be back to neck and neck again. As you suggest most voters are not fans of either but it will come down to which they dislike the least http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN10G2BQ
At the risk of being even more boring, it doesn’t matter what the overall polls figures say as much as those in States that are likely to change. AIUI HRC is liekly to win most states.
State polls are a delayed reaction to national polls, the latest state polls all reflect Hillary's bounce. As the national polls start to tighten this week as Reuters and LAT suggest the state polls will too. The winner of the national popular vote has won the electoral college in every US general election since WW2 bar 2000 (and that was only by 500 votes in Florida and after months of legal wrangling)
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
The run rate is over 3 now, so if we bat at this rate for the 40 overs remaining today we'll have a lead of 270.
Oh crap. Vince gone now, I'm not sure it will be for us to declare any more...
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
If Corbyn wins next month there must be a good chance that he will be challenged again next year - particularly if election results are not good and polls fail to improve. By 2017 we are in to midterm and it becomes much more reasonable to expect the Opposition to be doing well. If that fails to happen , the membership might become much more receptive to a change of leader .
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
The run rate is over 3 now, so if we bat at this rate for the 40 overs remaining today we'll have a lead of 270.
Oh crap. Vince gone now, I'm not sure it will be for us to declare any more...
Too many people getting in and then getting out. Need to get to tea now without losing anymore.
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
They may not have a choice. The boundary review, re-selections and de-selections will loom. Besides, while waiting for defeat is an option if you represent St Helens, it's more of a risk if you hold a seat that's currently marginal, or might be after the review.
I cannot see the LibDems appealing to left of centre Labour voters in the foreseeable future. For all their troubles Labour will have little difficulty in reminding such people that the LibDems helped put the Tories in office and can be expected to do so again if given the chance.Those who voted LibDem in 2010 and earlier will not forget their sense of betrayal.
Betrayal is an odd choice of word - Despite no formal pact in place, Labour supporters have long voted Lib Dem as an anti-Tory vote where they thought it would be most advantageous to them. – Betrayal would only apply if Labour regarded the Lib Dems as their own, personally useful idiots. - Ahh.
Well as a Labour sympathiser in a 2010 safe Tory seat where the Lib Dems were a good second and the people I actually wanted a distant third I voted Lib Dem as it seemed like the best option. Okay, it didn't work. I don't feel particularly betrayed. The Lib Dems had as much right to do a deal with the Tories as they did with Labour in my opinion. If similar circumstances arose again I wouldn't rule out voting for them again - but they've got a lot of work to do to get back there.
British politics divides into Tory versus Everyone else.
If you try to be in the middle of that road, like Clegg or Scots Lab, you get run over.
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
The run rate is over 3 now, so if we bat at this rate for the 40 overs remaining today we'll have a lead of 270.
Oh crap. Vince gone now, I'm not sure it will be for us to declare any more...
Too many people getting in and then getting out. Need to get to tea now without losing anymore.
Bairstow and Ballance can still do something special here. Commentator's Curse maybe but I'm feeling good about this right now.
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
If Corbyn wins next month there must be a good chance that he will be challenged again next year - particularly if election results are not good and polls fail to improve. By 2017 we are in to midterm and it becomes much more reasonable to expect the Opposition to be doing well. If that fails to happen , the membership might become much more receptive to a change of leader .
Yes, if he wins he will remain on probation amongst MPs but unless Labour has an absolutely abysmal set of election results, eg starts losing by-elections to UKIP, comes third behind UKIP in the 2017 county council elections and remain under 30% in the polls and over 10% behind the Tories it is difficult to see another challenge anytime soon
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
They may not have a choice. The boundary review, re-selections and de-selections will loom. Besides, while waiting for defeat is an option if you represent St Helens, it's more of a risk if you hold a seat that's currently marginal, or might be after the review.
It is far from certain that the new boundaries will be approved anyway. A good few Tories are likely to rebel - indeed a few did so in the last Parliament.
....On the current topic, I think Labour MPs have been selected under the Blairite rules not just for ideological centrism but for feeble compliance. They will be annoyed by Corbyn's likely victory, but quietly serve out their time. Defecting currently looks worse for their careers than the risk, but not the certainty, of deselection. The problem in the second-last paragraph for the Lib Dems is that it is not clear they see their destiny as a carapace housing the Blairites they used to struggle against.
2018 is crunch time for the non-Corvyn supporting Labour MPs. The boundary proposals are due to be published in 5 weeks time (13th Sept). We then have in 2017 consultations and somewhen in 2018 get the boundaries tabled to parliament. At that point Lab MPs opposed to Corbyn face near certain deselection. They either accept retirement or jump ship into the LDs or a new grouping. A group of 100 going 2 ways, iLAB or LibDem.
Any Labour MPs deselected might be well advised to resign their seats and force a by election at the time. They would probably be well placed to hold on - Taverne style - and defeat the official Labour candidate selected to replace them.That might well be sufficient to secure their re-election in 2020.
....On the current topic, I think Labour MPs have been selected under the Blairite rules not just for ideological centrism but for feeble compliance. They will be annoyed by Corbyn's likely victory, but quietly serve out their time. Defecting currently looks worse for their careers than the risk, but not the certainty, of deselection. The problem in the second-last paragraph for the Lib Dems is that it is not clear they see their destiny as a carapace housing the Blairites they used to struggle against.
2018 is crunch time for the non-Corvyn supporting Labour MPs. The boundary proposals are due to be published in 5 weeks time (13th Sept). We then have in 2017 consultations and somewhen in 2018 get the boundaries tabled to parliament. At that point Lab MPs opposed to Corbyn face near certain deselection. They either accept retirement or jump ship into the LDs or a new grouping. A group of 100 going 2 ways, iLAB or LibDem.
They are not due to be placed before Parliament until Autumn 2018.
For those who missed my post last night, I have a tip.
The two people leading the field in the face to be UN Secretary General are men. I would say that the top three are plausible, so two men and one woman.
Paddy Power will give you 3.6 on the next SG to not be a woman.
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
They may not have a choice. The boundary review, re-selections and de-selections will loom. Besides, while waiting for defeat is an option if you represent St Helens, it's more of a risk if you hold a seat that's currently marginal, or might be after the review.
It is far from certain that the new boundaries will be approved anyway. A good few Tories are likely to rebel - indeed a few did so in the last Parliament.
No chance of that this time, it'll be a full-blown three line whip for the Tories - with anyone personally affected offered a seat on the red benches if not enough retire in 2020.
Another related dilemma will be what to do with the redundant MEPs, 19 Tories I believe.
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
If Corbyn wins next month there must be a good chance that he will be challenged again next year - particularly if election results are not good and polls fail to improve. By 2017 we are in to midterm and it becomes much more reasonable to expect the Opposition to be doing well. If that fails to happen , the membership might become much more receptive to a change of leader .
Yes, if he wins he will remain on probation amongst MPs but unless Labour has an absolutely abysmal set of election results, eg starts losing by-elections to UKIP, comes third behind UKIP in the 2017 county council elections and remain under 30% in the polls and over 10% behind the Tories it is difficult to see another challenge anytime soon
I would expect another challenge next year - though without a No Confidence Vote by the PLP next time.Little risk of losing to UKIP which is in disarray itself. anyway. Next year we will be in midterm with the economy perhaps looking sick, if Labour fails to progress under those circumstances many members currently sympathetic to Corbyn might take a different view. I suspect that at some point the penny will drop !
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
They may not have a choice. The boundary review, re-selections and de-selections will loom. Besides, while waiting for defeat is an option if you represent St Helens, it's more of a risk if you hold a seat that's currently marginal, or might be after the review.
It is far from certain that the new boundaries will be approved anyway. A good few Tories are likely to rebel - indeed a few did so in the last Parliament.
No chance of that this time, it'll be a full-blown three line whip for the Tories - with anyone personally affected offered a seat on the red benches if not enough retire in 2020.
Another related dilemma will be what to do with the redundant MEPs, 19 Tories I believe.
It was a thre line whip last time! I think there will be several Tory rebels from Wales alone.
Any Labour MPs deselected might be well advised to resign their seats and force a by election at the time. They would probably be well placed to hold on - Taverne style - and defeat the official Labour candidate selected to replace them.That might well be sufficient to secure their re-election in 2020.
Yes, there will be a few well liked MPs with good local profiles who should be able to see off a by-election. That route is preferable than standing independently at the GE where party labels influence the vote more.
I've always said though that any mass defection, whether it be to SDP2, LDs, Co-Op or whatever, needs to happen *before* the deselections start, otherwise it just looks like sour grapes from the incumbent MPs.
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
The run rate is over 3 now, so if we bat at this rate for the 40 overs remaining today we'll have a lead of 270.
Oh crap. Vince gone now, I'm not sure it will be for us to declare any more...
Too many people getting in and then getting out. Need to get to tea now without losing anymore.
Bairstow and Ballance can still do something special here. Commentator's Curse maybe but I'm feeling good about this right now.
....On the current topic, I think Labour MPs have been selected under the Blairite rules not just for ideological centrism but for feeble compliance. They will be annoyed by Corbyn's likely victory, but quietly serve out their time. Defecting currently looks worse for their careers than the risk, but not the certainty, of deselection. The problem in the second-last paragraph for the Lib Dems is that it is not clear they see their destiny as a carapace housing the Blairites they used to struggle against.
2018 is crunch time for the non-Corvyn supporting Labour MPs. The boundary proposals are due to be published in 5 weeks time (13th Sept). We then have in 2017 consultations and somewhen in 2018 get the boundaries tabled to parliament. At that point Lab MPs opposed to Corbyn face near certain deselection. They either accept retirement or jump ship into the LDs or a new grouping. A group of 100 going 2 ways, iLAB or LibDem.
The reduction of seats (like Article 50 invokation and TSE's AV thread) is always in a future that never arrives. It is not something that the public get concerned about, but agitates a lot of MPs including many Tories. I suspect that it will be kicked into the long grass once more.
Why cause needless trouble and distraction amongst your lobby fodder when trying to pass contentious legislation on a wafer thin majority?
Any Labour MPs deselected might be well advised to resign their seats and force a by election at the time. They would probably be well placed to hold on - Taverne style - and defeat the official Labour candidate selected to replace them.That might well be sufficient to secure their re-election in 2020.
Yes, there will be a few well liked MPs with good local profiles who should be able to see off a by-election. That route is preferable than standing independently at the GE where party labels influence the vote more.
I've always said though that any mass defection, whether it be to SDP2, LDs, Co-Op or whatever, needs to happen *before* the deselections start, otherwise it just looks like sour grapes from the incumbent MPs.
They would still have to fight the by election as Independent Labour or whatever, but if re-elected - as I would expect them to be - they would be well placed to win again in 2020. Moreover, if the boundary changes do go through deselection will not arise until 2019 - so that any consequential by elections will still be well remembered in May 2020.
If Corbyn wins I don't think Labour MPs will defect but wait until an election defeat. If after an election defeat he is re-elected leader or another hard left candidate like McDonnell wins the leadership then there is a real prospect of moderate Labour MPs forming a new party with the LDs.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
They may not have a choice. The boundary review, re-selections and de-selections will loom. Besides, while waiting for defeat is an option if you represent St Helens, it's more of a risk if you hold a seat that's currently marginal, or might be after the review.
It is far from certain that the new boundaries will be approved anyway. A good few Tories are likely to rebel - indeed a few did so in the last Parliament.
No chance of that this time, it'll be a full-blown three line whip for the Tories - with anyone personally affected offered a seat on the red benches if not enough retire in 2020.
Another related dilemma will be what to do with the redundant MEPs, 19 Tories I believe.
It was a thre line whip last time! I think there will be several Tory rebels from Wales alone.
It wasn't put to a vote last time, as the LDs flounced on their promise to support it when the AV referendum failed to deliver the 'right' result.
I would have thought that the Government whips will be working very hard to get this through, as the rebalancing is likely to favour them as a party at the next election, although it way well cost a couple of seats in Wales.
Expect a load of old duffers (Ken Clarke etc) to announce their retirement, and expect a few more to be suitably honoured with Knighthoods or Lordships for their service either before or after the election. I'm not personally a huge fan of this sort of patronage, but we have to take the world as it is and the whips will use all the levers they have available to get the boundary revisions through.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows'
But if we had left the single market what would a protest vote for the Lib Dems achieve? Are they seriously going to propose re-joining the EU with Shengen, the Euro & no rebate, even the 20% or so EU fanatics would find that a hard sell.
Any Labour MPs deselected might be well advised to resign their seats and force a by election at the time. They would probably be well placed to hold on - Taverne style - and defeat the official Labour candidate selected to replace them.That might well be sufficient to secure their re-election in 2020.
Yes, there will be a few well liked MPs with good local profiles who should be able to see off a by-election. That route is preferable than standing independently at the GE where party labels influence the vote more.
I've always said though that any mass defection, whether it be to SDP2, LDs, Co-Op or whatever, needs to happen *before* the deselections start, otherwise it just looks like sour grapes from the incumbent MPs.
They would still have to fight the by election as Independent Labour or whatever, but if re-elected - as I would expect them to be - they would be well placed to win again in 2020. Moreover, if the boundary changes do go through deselection will not arise until 2019 - so that any consequential by elections will still be well remembered in May 2020.
MPs "personal votes" are rarely more than a few thousand. Those that resign then stand again are Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
The run rate is over 3 now, so if we bat at this rate for the 40 overs remaining today we'll have a lead of 270.
Oh crap. Vince gone now, I'm not sure it will be for us to declare any more...
Too many people getting in and then getting out. Need to get to tea now without losing anymore.
And indeed we did. Looking like you're going to have a good day out at Edgebaston tomorrow!
Must be a while since England's top 3 all scored 50s.
Indeed. Good to see the run rate start to go up, Pakistan bowling well outside the stumps all morning was rather boring to watch.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
The run rate is over 3 now, so if we bat at this rate for the 40 overs remaining today we'll have a lead of 270.
Oh crap. Vince gone now, I'm not sure it will be for us to declare any more...
Too many people getting in and then getting out. Need to get to tea now without losing anymore.
And indeed we did. Looking like you're going to have a good day out at Edgebaston tomorrow!
Steady on, England still need another really good session this evening.
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Having said that, it is no more sensible to draw conclusions about large numbers of people from those intemperate remarks, than it is to draw similar conclusions from those on PB who say Muslims might all need to be deported or sent to concentration camps in a few years. Like it or not, there seems to be a premium on intemperate drama here.
Byron hamburger worker felt 'used' after immigration arrest
Rafa said he knew what he had been doing was wrong - but said the way he was arrested "is what bothers me".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36994955
Which bit of
"Rafa (from Brazil) said he came to the UK in May 2015 to "try his luck" at getting work, and used a false National Insurance card and a fake Italian identity card to get a job at Byron."
deserves any sympathy.
What are the plod supposed to do? Phone ahead and say excuse me sir we know you are here illegally, would you mind putting yourself on a plane and going home. And we are sorry Rafa for any inconvenience that might cause.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/bbc-to-deploy-detection-vans-to-snoop-on-internet-users/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/06/bbc_detector_van_wi_fi_iplayer/
I.e. they detect using intimidation.
While there was at least some plausible science behind the concept of detection of a large box full of high voltage tubes; the idea that they can identify the source of packets on an encrypted wifi connection is absolute rubbish.
I can believe that the technology to crack wifi connections might exist, but it's not the sort of thing that can happen as a van drives down the road. It would take human skills and time to engineer, is possibly used by MI5 to monitor terrorists rather than the BBC to monitor licence fee payments.
HTF can they distinguish between watching an online video of squirrels and watching BBC3 on its Youtube channel? Watching Youtube videos is the obvious legal defence, unless the Gestapo (John Whittingdale's words, not mine) catch a household in the act of watching TV.
But he added: "That's not the point.
Sorry matey, that is the point.
And yes the security services can do it very easily and it is also believed they have methods to crack popular VPN protocols (but it takes super computers to do so).
Can you packet sniff and work out possible packet type. Some academic material has claimed to be able to do this for Skype, but it really is finger in the air the stuff. Also, as soon as you use something like a VPN etc all the packets aren't sniffable, well not being able to see really what is going on.
The thought they can uniquely identify iPlayer vs any other streaming and prove who it is. Remember even showing use on a network isn't proof of an individual using it. Lots of criminal cases have fallen down because they similar said such and such IP address did this.
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On a similar note, Vice had a brilliant piece on surveillance tech. That had some guys give a demo showing how they had hacked common office tech such as printers and landline phones, such that they would signal out data use via radio signal (without actually adding anything physical to the device) it was quite brilliant.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/funtenna-software-hack-turns-a-laser-printer-into-a-covert-radio/
http://brendanoneill.co.uk/post/148511471669/white-shame-is-the-new-white-pride
A good starting point would be the linking of a particular network to a household - in a way that could stand up in court - in anything but a very rural environment is going to prove almost impossible.
In practice, it will be interesting to see what happens the first time someone challenges them in court. If I were a betting man - ahem - I'd say they'll back down in individual cases rather than have their evidence challenged.
Back to the cricket!
https://twitter.com/bet365/status/761899739172536320
No doubt the conspiracy theorists are noticing the B365 logo colours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgSQ47iNJ3U
For beer holding purposes, obviously.
The protesters obviously have little or no respect for - the laws of the land, basic honesty, people trying to run a business or patrons attempting to enjoy their meal. – They are simply juvenile, privileged little wannabe anarchist.
Cruel and unusual punishment indeed.
220/2, effectively 117/2, this is looking like it could be a great finish tomorrow, as long as Cook has the balls to declare at the right time - half an hour before the close tonight with a lead of 300 would be just about perfect!
Do the protestors simultaneously think that the workers on false papers have every right to be employed and the directors of the company should be jailed for employing them?
Just finishing my US stay. Anecdotally, I'm struck by the number of WWC voters, including some "good old boys" from the South (at the 1000-strong games convention I attended and spoke at), who say they plan not to vote for Trump, because they don't respect him/think he's an idiot. "I don't necessarily disagree with all his policies, but having a President who I can respect is big for me. The guy is a flake." was a typical comment, from a burly retired postal worker. Not meeting many Hillary fans either, but she is seen as capable.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN10G2BQ
AIUI HRC is liekly to win most states.
https://strehlspresidentialelection2016.wordpress.com/2016/08/06/national-too-close-to-call-by-lat-12/
State polls are a delayed reaction to national polls, the latest state polls all reflect Hillary's bounce. As the national polls start to tighten this week as Reuters and LAT suggest the state polls will too. The winner of the national popular vote has won the electoral college in every US general election since WW2 bar 2000 (and that was only by 500 votes in Florida and after months of legal wrangling)
Following Root's departure England are not going to have a lead of 300 today. England will need to bat some of tomorrow, if rhey can last that long, to avoid a possible defeat.
Oh crap. Vince gone now, I'm not sure it will be for us to declare any more...
If you try to be in the middle of that road, like Clegg or Scots Lab, you get run over.
Commentator's Curse maybe but I'm feeling good about this right now.
Serbians went in the drink during rowing. Choppy waters in the middle.
The two people leading the field in the face to be UN Secretary General are men. I would say that the top three are plausible, so two men and one woman.
Paddy Power will give you 3.6 on the next SG to not be a woman.
I have put £20 on, I think it is excellent value.
You can see the straw poll results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Secretary-General_selection,_2016#Results
As a Council resolution, the five permanent members have a veto.
Another related dilemma will be what to do with the redundant MEPs, 19 Tories I believe.
I've always said though that any mass defection, whether it be to SDP2, LDs, Co-Op or whatever, needs to happen *before* the deselections start, otherwise it just looks like sour grapes from the incumbent MPs.
Bairstow, Ballance, Bowled.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3726860/Air-Algeria-flight-Marseilles-declared-mid-air-emergency-vanishes-radar-Mediterranean.html
Why cause needless trouble and distraction amongst your lobby fodder when trying to pass contentious legislation on a wafer thin majority?
I would have thought that the Government whips will be working very hard to get this through, as the rebalancing is likely to favour them as a party at the next election, although it way well cost a couple of seats in Wales.
Expect a load of old duffers (Ken Clarke etc) to announce their retirement, and expect a few more to be suitably honoured with Knighthoods or Lordships for their service either before or after the election. I'm not personally a huge fan of this sort of patronage, but we have to take the world as it is and the whips will use all the levers they have available to get the boundary revisions through.
For the moment I can't see the LDs rising that much in the polls unless Brexit also leads to the UK leaving the Single Market too in which large numbers of moderate Tories and Labour voters who voted Remain may well move to the yellows'
But if we had left the single market what would a protest vote for the Lib Dems achieve?
Are they seriously going to propose re-joining the EU with Shengen, the Euro & no rebate, even the 20% or so EU fanatics would find that a hard sell.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/bill-etheridge-the-pro-gay-marriage-pro-muslim-schools-shiraz-dr/