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  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.

    The funniest thing I read was an internal email thread about a Trump Facebook post. Someone said, "Are they aggressively deleting comments or do that many people really like Trump?"

    The DNC emails are making Sanders supporters moan again too.
    You are wrong on A. For example Al Gore largely won the popular vote because he picked Lieberman who the party base disliked, McCain in the long term did not help himself by picking Palin in 2008 whom the party base loved. Kaine was a far more shrewd choice for Hillary than Warren, a centrist and Spanish speaker he can help her with independent males and Hispanics and he is from Virginia, a key swing state. Warren would have turned independents towards Trump-Pence and being from Massachusetts adds nothing in terms of electoral votes Hillary does not already have.

    A few Sanders voters will now vote for Jill Stein but they will be cancelled out by the Bush, Rubio and Kasich voters voting for Gary Johnson
    Gore probably lost the election in 2000 because of Lieberman, he should have chosen someone who could have helped in either Florida (like Bob Graham) or New Hampshire, and to stop the leaks towards Nader.
    Selecting Lieberman made his situation worse on his left flank.

    McCain's trick with Palin worked (his support spiked in the polls) but only until people discovered how smart she was (or not).

    Getting the VP right may add some limited support but doesn't guarantee victory, getting it wrong may set you behind.

    Hillary got it wrong, the question is how many votes will this cost her.

    Tim Kaine speaking spanish doesn't give her extra votes, I can speak spanish that doesn't mean that I can get votes, but Kaine is on the right of Hillary and that's making democrats who where already in trouble voting for someone as right wing as Hillary to have second thoughts about voting for her.

    Virginia was already likely to be a Hillary win because of the D.C suburbs, so that adds as much as Pence does for Trump in Indiana, but the difference is that Pence made most dissident republicans happy, but Kaine made dissident democrats unhappy.

    In an election with many 3rd parties around you have too keep your party base happy and in line, Pence so far did the trick, Kaine has not.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    BREXITEERS, STAND BY...

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    NEGOTIATE!
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Some Jihadist chatter is calling the incident today in Germany a good kill and called for more 'lone wolf' attacks.

    No firm evidence yet that this is 100% informed comment but it does compare with the incident on Friday proper Jihadist talking shops were remarkably quiet.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,740
    Lieberman was meant to help in Florida. It perhaps worked, who knows? The problem with Clinton-Warren is obvious, many people in America would feel motivated to vote against two liberal women, just look at the response you get from internet types when you are a woman in the spotlight.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Has anyone just seen the ad Hillary has put out on Tw@tter ?

    It could 100% be a Trump ad.
  • redrose82redrose82 Posts: 21
    This is always assuming that Corbyn would resign after losing an early general election and before he had the chance to purge the PLP. I somehow doubt it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,998
    What happened to the new thread on Boris surviving as foreign sec until 2020?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    tlg86 said:

    What happened to the new thread on Boris surviving as foreign sec until 2020?

    Premature publishing on my part, just putting the finishing touches to it, and accidentally pressed publish and not 'save to drafts'

    It'll be up in the next 20 mins or so.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited July 2016

    Y0kel said:

    Welcome to your Beemer driving runner over: Fatih.

    Every BMW should have a terrorist mascot on the bonnet.
    Fixed it for you.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    Pulpstar said:
    This is why Hillary is going to struggle. She's just empty words. Trump offers something, many of us may not like what he offers, but Hillary brings nothing to the table.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,998

    tlg86 said:

    What happened to the new thread on Boris surviving as foreign sec until 2020?

    Premature publishing on my part, just putting the finishing touches to it, and accidentally pressed publish and not 'save to drafts'

    It'll be up in the next 20 mins or so.
    I feel privileged to have had a sneak preview.
  • Pulpstar said:
    Was it sponsored by Bremainers for Hilary -innocent face -
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:
    This is why Hillary is going to struggle. She's just empty words. Trump offers something, many of us may not like what he offers, but Hillary brings nothing to the table.
    That felt like a 3m Trump advert to me bar about 20 secs. What are they doing???
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:
    This is why Hillary is going to struggle. She's just empty words. Trump offers something, many of us may not like what he offers, but Hillary brings nothing to the table.
    The ad tells us precisely nothing about what Hillary will do ! It's the worst political ad I've ever seen tbh.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:
    This is why Hillary is going to struggle. She's just empty words. Trump offers something, many of us may not like what he offers, but Hillary brings nothing to the table.
    The ad tells us precisely nothing about what Hillary will do ! It's the worst political ad I've ever seen tbh.
    It made me think Trump with rough edges is right. I'm astonished at it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    edited July 2016
    Alistair said:

    I just read an interesting article about how early retirement was a grossly expensive way to hide redundancies and the effect this has had on occupational pension schemes (spoiler: not good)

    As I am not pension industry literate does this ring true to those of you who are?

    https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/the-great-pensions-cock-up/

    Not in the industry but it has featured in some litigations that I have been involved in. The difference in the cost to the pension fund of a pension at retirement and early retirement is called the strain cost. Certainly in the early years of this century it was grossly underestimated by many public bodies who failed to appreciate what getting a pension 2 years early was worth. It is a lot more than the payments made in those 2 years because it also means there are 2 years less contributions, 2 years less of investment returns and at least 2 more years of payment (early retirement is positively correlated with life expectancy).

    Those in receipt of public sector pensions already do spectacularly well. Additions like this should really be banned.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

  • viewcode said:

    ...Britain still has a vast cultural empire covering about a third of the worlds surface...[reply excised...we created it and are still a big player in it, we made up the rules they run on to this day...

    If by "it" you mean the Anglosphere, we don't own it and are not the sole creators of it.

    [EDIT: unnest blockquotes]


    I never said we were.

    We don't need to own it because we created it.

    Legal system and common law - check.

    Language - check.

    Parliamentary system - check, even for USA which has an elected Georgian Monarch.

    Thats the framework. No one needs to own it now although the Commonwealth will come to be its foremost institute in time.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited July 2016
    Redacted
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:
    This is why Hillary is going to struggle. She's just empty words. Trump offers something, many of us may not like what he offers, but Hillary brings nothing to the table.
    But she's a woman. She could be 'merika's Merkel.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316

    viewcode said:

    ...Britain still has a vast cultural empire covering about a third of the worlds surface...[reply excised...we created it and are still a big player in it, we made up the rules they run on to this day...

    If by "it" you mean the Anglosphere, we don't own it and are not the sole creators of it.

    [EDIT: unnest blockquotes]


    I never said we were.

    We don't need to own it because we created it.

    Legal system and common law - check.

    Language - check.

    Parliamentary system - check, even for USA which has an elected Georgian Monarch.

    Thats the framework. No one needs to own it now although the Commonwealth will come to be its foremost institute in time.
    English is the best language in the World!
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    edited July 2016

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:
    This is why Hillary is going to struggle. She's just empty words. Trump offers something, many of us may not like what he offers, but Hillary brings nothing to the table.
    But she's a woman. She could be 'merika's Merkel.
    What, letting in any foreigner into her country who can reach it, unchecked? That'll go down like a house on fire in the US, I'm sure!

    Trump's message on immigration is the definition of simple but effective. It will be a net vote winner for him. What can Hillary retort with? Some vague tweaks to the current system? People have give up on that kind of thing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    edited July 2016


    'Gore probably lost the election in 2000 because of Lieberman, he should have chosen someone who could have helped in either Florida (like Bob Graham) or New Hampshire, and to stop the leaks towards Nader.
    Selecting Lieberman made his situation worse on his left flank.

    McCain's trick with Palin worked (his support spiked in the polls) but only until people discovered how smart she was (or not).

    Getting the VP right may add some limited support but doesn't guarantee victory, getting it wrong may set you behind.

    Hillary got it wrong, the question is how many votes will this cost her.

    Tim Kaine speaking spanish doesn't give her extra votes, I can speak spanish that doesn't mean that I can get votes, but Kaine is on the right of Hillary and that's making democrats who where already in trouble voting for someone as right wing as Hillary to have second

    In an election with many 3rd parties around you have too keep your party base happy and in line, Pence so far did the trick, Kaine has not.'

    No it was Lieberman winning centrist Jewish votes in Florida that was key for Gore, Graham certainly would not have stopped leakage to Nader. Picking an. unqualified candidate to appease the base as you suggest did not help McCain.

    Kaine speaking Spanish suggests Hillary is reaching out to Hispanic voters unlike Trump who is hammering them. Virginia is a far closer swing state than Indiana and Pence largely appealed to those who were in the Trump camp already. Pence will certainly do nothing to stop Jeb Bush and Kasich voters leaking to Johnson
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