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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited July 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria. I am going to guess the BBC will call him "locally known as Hans Schmidt".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited July 2016
    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    I think they would have been better encouraging all those unemployed those from Southern Europe to move...which I believe that is what they were doing before Merkel had this genius idea.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria. I am going to guess the BBC will call him "locally known as Hans Schmidt".
    Was he bullied as a child and let down by German social workers?

    Seriously, if this shit was happening here - we'd be up in arms literally. The Germans and French up to now have been so supine.

    We've an enormous stiff upper lip - but not for taking the piss as Brexit showed.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Our SO doesn't appear to have considered the possibility that Corbyn wins, then changes the leadership/nomination rules?

    Yes, I have. See 4th, 5th and 6th paragraphs.

    Ok! :-)

    My fault for not studying more closely

    You do however seem particularly keen to find a way out from Corbyn; pehaps keener than the probability of it coming about?

    Very keen indeed :-)

    This is just a hypothetical. My rule is that Labour will always end up with the worst possible outcome.

  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited July 2016
    John_M said:

    Moses_ said:

    Y0kel said:

    Whats sad about the situation in Germany is that once it kicked off it wasn't going to be a one off with a long gap.

    The German security services have fears of both something bigger and of a pace of incidents. The political pressure on all the German counter terror authorities sitting in the central coordination office in Berlin is immense to play shit down. Apart from the 440-odd individuals of active note in Germany, there is an estimation of around 38 individuals who came into Europe via that the recent open doors policy announced by Merkel. Thats not to say they are all in Germany but thats the kind of numbers identified that came in as asylum seekers who may not be merely fleeing a warzone.

    Politically, however if the German people can't trust what they are being told then they are going to draw their own conclusions.

    How many more of these can Merkel politically survive. I do notice that these attacks appear to be happening mainly in the south of the country ( at the moment)
    We have to try and keep a sense of perspective. 925k Germans died in 2015.
    By machete and gun at the hands of an immigrant? Wow......

    M'Ok perhaps she will survive then
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    John_M said:

    Moses_ said:

    Y0kel said:

    Whats sad about the situation in Germany is that once it kicked off it wasn't going to be a one off with a long gap.

    The German security services have fears of both something bigger and of a pace of incidents. The political pressure on all the German counter terror authorities sitting in the central coordination office in Berlin is immense to play shit down. Apart from the 440-odd individuals of active note in Germany, there is an estimation of around 38 individuals who came into Europe via that the recent open doors policy announced by Merkel. Thats not to say they are all in Germany but thats the kind of numbers identified that came in as asylum seekers who may not be merely fleeing a warzone.

    Politically, however if the German people can't trust what they are being told then they are going to draw their own conclusions.

    How many more of these can Merkel politically survive. I do notice that these attacks appear to be happening mainly in the south of the country ( at the moment)
    We have to try and keep a sense of perspective. 925k Germans died in 2015.
    When a dog bites a man ...
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    Aye, the German population peaked in 1998. Think it will be up this year though. Can't believe that we're getting within spitting distance of the Germans.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    I think they would have been better encouraging all those unemployed those from Southern Europe to move...which I believe that is what they were doing before Merkel had this genius idea.
    This whole WW2 guilt thing is something I can sort of understand - but as you say - refusing to take Eastern Europeans with oodles in common with the DDR sorts and embracing ME young men is bizarre.

    It's a powder keg even without the terrorism. Just look at our Rotherham.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria. I am going to guess the BBC will call him "locally known as Hans Schmidt".
    Was he bullied as a child and let down by German social workers?

    Seriously, if this shit was happening here - we'd be up in arms literally. The Germans and French up to now have been so supine.

    We've an enormous stiff upper lip - but not for taking the piss as Brexit showed.
    Germany were basically broken by world war 2. It has emasculated them culturally. There is no fight in them (or at least their ruling classes) anymore. In a way it is rather sad.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    Ruling out any ideological motivation already then
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.
    True, however they took in a lot from the Balkans during the bloody conflict there and didn't have the same issues.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,740
    Erm, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there riots and brutally violent murders in England this decade, and everyone kept calm and nobody went mad? So how are the Germans meant to behave? They probably know that moaning solves nothing but keeping an eye on terrorist risks does.
  • John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    Aye, the German population peaked in 1998. Think it will be up this year though. Can't believe that we're getting within spitting distance of the Germans.
    It is quite incredible. Of course add those of British descent in US, Canada, NZ, Aus, SA etc and there are far more of us.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    What happens to people when they are dehumanized in a war zone. Germany is going to have huge repucussions.

    This is an obvious cover up by the German security forces for political reasons.

    Police have also told Sky News there is no evidence pointing to the incident being a terrorist attack.

    "Spokesman Bjoern Reusch said in a statement that witnesses said the man, who was known to police, was having an argument with the woman.........."

    People don't normally attack other people with machetes over over grown trees or blocking the driveway etc.

    Ffs cover ups like these is how the far right grows get a grip, Germany.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,984
    Afternoon all :)

    On topic, so for 2020 read 1983. The key is not the Conservative majority but the confirmation Labour remains the only credible alternative Government.

    The longer Mrs May leaves it, the more chance for Labour to wither a) schism or b) regroup around another leader. There's a risk there undoubtedly and the second part of that risk is what comes from being in Government.

    Assumptions the existing Conservative voting bloc will hold together until 2020 seem presumptuous - whether the coming of both May and Corbyn will signal some form of political re-alignment remains to be seen. All the past 12 months or so should tell us is nothing is certain and nothing can be assumed.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria. I am going to guess the BBC will call him "locally known as Hans Schmidt".
    Was he bullied as a child and let down by German social workers?

    Seriously, if this shit was happening here - we'd be up in arms literally. The Germans and French up to now have been so supine.

    We've an enormous stiff upper lip - but not for taking the piss as Brexit showed.
    Germany were basically broken by world war 2. It has emasculated them culturally. There is no fight in them (or at least their ruling classes) anymore. In a way it is rather sad.
    Our cultural and historical differences are being writ large with this crisis. It's horrible to witness - yet oddly fascinating to watch in action.

    I'm just very glad that so far, our coppers and intelligence chaps have stopped similar attacks. It's incredible that we've been so lucky so far. They must be worn out with simple vigilance.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314

    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    Aye, the German population peaked in 1998. Think it will be up this year though. Can't believe that we're getting within spitting distance of the Germans.
    It is quite incredible. Of course add those of British descent in US, Canada, NZ, Aus, SA etc and there are far more of us.
    Add in those of German descent in the US and they'd be comfortably ahead...

    I don't know why you're so keen to claim the US for your British Empire redux.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited July 2016
    nunu said:

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    What happens to people when they are dehumanized in a war zone. Germany is going to have huge repucussions.

    This is an obvious cover up by the German security forces for political reasons.

    Police have also told Sky News there is no evidence pointing to the incident being a terrorist attack.

    "Spokesman Bjoern Reusch said in a statement that witnesses said the man, who was known to police, was having an argument with the woman.........."

    People don't normally attack other people with machetes over over grown trees or blocking the driveway etc.

    Ffs cover ups like these is how the far right grows get a grip, Germany.
    He might well be another nutter, who walks around with a machete and has arguments with people which he resolves by attacking them. But because the authorities haven't been straight with people there is now always a suspicion of what is going on and as you say it breeds popularity for extremists offering solutions.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    nunu said:

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    What happens to people when they are dehumanized in a war zone. Germany is going to have huge repucussions.

    This is an obvious cover up by the German security forces for political reasons.

    Police have also told Sky News there is no evidence pointing to the incident being a terrorist attack.

    "Spokesman Bjoern Reusch said in a statement that witnesses said the man, who was known to police, was having an argument with the woman.........."

    People don't normally attack other people with machetes over over grown trees or blocking the driveway etc.

    Ffs cover ups like these is how the far right grows get a grip, Germany.
    I've watched a few child soldier docus and I wouldn't want to live in the subsequent states they'll rule. It understandably pathologises children in a way we simply aren't used to.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria. I am going to guess the BBC will call him "locally known as Hans Schmidt".
    Was he bullied as a child and let down by German social workers?

    Seriously, if this shit was happening here - we'd be up in arms literally. The Germans and French up to now have been so supine.

    We've an enormous stiff upper lip - but not for taking the piss as Brexit showed.
    Germany were basically broken by world war 2. It has emasculated them culturally. There is no fight in them (or at least their ruling classes) anymore. In a way it is rather sad.
    Our cultural and historical differences are being writ large with this crisis. It's horrible to witness - yet oddly fascinating to watch in action.

    I'm just very glad that so far, our coppers and intelligence chaps have stopped similar attacks. It's incredible that we've been so lucky so far. They must be worn out with simple vigilance.
    Well we have had some similar incidents. Remember the guy in the tube who tried to hack somebodies head on while screaming about bombing of Syria.
  • <
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria. I am going to guess the BBC will call him "locally known as Hans Schmidt".
    Was he bullied as a child and let down by German social workers?

    Seriously, if this shit was happening here - we'd be up in arms literally. The Germans and French up to now have been so supine.

    We've an enormous stiff upper lip - but not for taking the piss as Brexit showed.
    Germany were basically broken by world war 2. It has emasculated them culturally. There is no fight in them (or at least their ruling classes) anymore. In a way it is rather sad.
    Our cultural and historical differences are being writ large with this crisis. It's horrible to witness - yet oddly fascinating to watch in action.

    I'm just very glad that so far, our coppers and intelligence chaps have stopped similar attacks. It's incredible that we've been so lucky so far. They must be worn out with simple vigilance.
    Sadly Europe is culturally dying because they have lost the will to culturally live and even to reproduce.

    For all our faults we still are robust and strong. It may be in the council estates that most children are being born but it is those same council estates who produced the Brexit vote and stopped us being shackled to a corpse, and allowing us to look towards the the sea again.

    I think we will be able to help Europe more outside the EU than in it. The truth is that we were far too different from them for membership to work.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    EPG said:

    Erm, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there riots and brutally violent murders in England this decade, and everyone kept calm and nobody went mad? So how are the Germans meant to behave? They probably know that moaning solves nothing but keeping an eye on terrorist risks does.

    I disagree that people should be getting up in arms about these attacks. "Keep buggering on" isn't glamorous or macho, but it's the only way to proceed. Our chances of dying in a terrorist attack are tiny. Driving a car is far more hazardous. In the UK we lose around 8 people a week through drowning.

    I used to be in security. Most techies follow the Bruce Schneier route. Start off reading books on cryptography, end by studying the psychology of risk and threat management. We need to stay calm and rational.

    The security services have to concentrate on thwarting the spectaculars - there's a limit to what can realistically be done about these random lone wolf attacks.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria. I am going to guess the BBC will call him "locally known as Hans Schmidt".
    Was he bullied as a child and let down by German social workers?

    Seriously, if this shit was happening here - we'd be up in arms literally. The Germans and French up to now have been so supine.

    We've an enormous stiff upper lip - but not for taking the piss as Brexit showed.
    Germany were basically broken by world war 2. It has emasculated them culturally. There is no fight in them (or at least their ruling classes) anymore. In a way it is rather sad.
    Our cultural and historical differences are being writ large with this crisis. It's horrible to witness - yet oddly fascinating to watch in action.

    I'm just very glad that so far, our coppers and intelligence chaps have stopped similar attacks. It's incredible that we've been so lucky so far. They must be worn out with simple vigilance.
    Well we have had some similar incidents. Remember the guy in the tube who tried to hack somebodies head on while screaming about bombing of Syria.
    Apart from Lee Rigby - we haven't had a death in a while. If someone with an axe went on a rampage on a 125, I think we'd have more than gruesome TV.
  • John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    Aye, the German population peaked in 1998. Think it will be up this year though. Can't believe that we're getting within spitting distance of the Germans.
    It is quite incredible. Of course add those of British descent in US, Canada, NZ, Aus, SA etc and there are far more of us.
    Add in those of German descent in the US and they'd be comfortably ahead...

    I don't know why you're so keen to claim the US for your British Empire redux.
    Maybe but they were after world war one degermanised and are pretty well culturally identical to the british/irish deacendents (a former girlfriend was one)
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    <

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria. I am going to guess the BBC will call him "locally known as Hans Schmidt".
    Was he bullied as a child and let down by German social workers?

    Seriously, if this shit was happening here - we'd be up in arms literally. The Germans and French up to now have been so supine.

    We've an enormous stiff upper lip - but not for taking the piss as Brexit showed.
    Germany were basically broken by world war 2. It has emasculated them culturally. There is no fight in them (or at least their ruling classes) anymore. In a way it is rather sad.
    Our cultural and historical differences are being writ large with this crisis. It's horrible to witness - yet oddly fascinating to watch in action.

    I'm just very glad that so far, our coppers and intelligence chaps have stopped similar attacks. It's incredible that we've been so lucky so far. They must be worn out with simple vigilance.
    Sadly Europe is culturally dying because they have lost the will to culturally live and even to reproduce.

    For all our faults we still are robust and strong. It may be in the council estates that most children are being born but it is those same council estates who produced the Brexit vote and stopped us being shackled to a corpse, and allowing us to look towards the the sea again.

    I think we will be able to help Europe more outside the EU than in it. The truth is that we were far too different from them for membership to work.
    I do hope so. I see our future in Shire Tories and council proud Labour. We won't be cowed by liberals who want to give us away for some nebulous nirvana.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    What happens to people when they are dehumanized in a war zone. Germany is going to have huge repucussions.

    This is an obvious cover up by the German security forces for political reasons.

    Police have also told Sky News there is no evidence pointing to the incident being a terrorist attack.

    "Spokesman Bjoern Reusch said in a statement that witnesses said the man, who was known to police, was having an argument with the woman.........."

    People don't normally attack other people with machetes over over grown trees or blocking the driveway etc.

    Ffs cover ups like these is how the far right grows get a grip, Germany.
    He might well be another nutter, who walks around with a machete and has arguments with people which he resolves by attacking them. But because the authorities haven't been straight with people there is now always a suspicion of what is going on and as you say it breeds popularity for extremists offering solutions.
    He think it likely he is a nutter rather than Isis inspired, but the way they didn't tell us anything during Davids attack and during the Cologne attacks breeds suspicion.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,199

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    Many of the young men 'fleeing' from Syria were the nasty little shits who started the so-called revolution in the first place.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited July 2016
    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    What happens to people when they are dehumanized in a war zone. Germany is going to have huge repucussions.

    This is an obvious cover up by the German security forces for political reasons.

    Police have also told Sky News there is no evidence pointing to the incident being a terrorist attack.

    "Spokesman Bjoern Reusch said in a statement that witnesses said the man, who was known to police, was having an argument with the woman.........."

    People don't normally attack other people with machetes over over grown trees or blocking the driveway etc.

    Ffs cover ups like these is how the far right grows get a grip, Germany.
    He might well be another nutter, who walks around with a machete and has arguments with people which he resolves by attacking them. But because the authorities haven't been straight with people there is now always a suspicion of what is going on and as you say it breeds popularity for extremists offering solutions.
    He think it likely he is a nutter rather than Isis inspired, but the way they didn't tell us anything during Davids attack and during the Cologne attacks breeds suspicion.
    Also ISIS inspired or not (and from the media reports it sounds not), it is another nutter that Merkel has welcomed in and clearly he has been in lots of trouble before but still free to wander around.

    I think a big problem that Germany will face is a massive cultural difference. Whenever I have visited Germany I have always been pleasantly surprised how the masses just buy into rules, regulations and doing what they have been told e.g. self validating train tickets, because things work when you do. In contrast we have to have barriers to stop people from not paying.

    They now have 2 million new people who haven't grown up with those values.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    I did some real back of the fag packet maths. This guy could have been a jihadi, or he could have just really wanted a free kebab. Dunno.

    However, munging some of the UK's publicly available data, about 1 in 2,750 of the adult population is sentenced for some form of knife crime (ranging from simple possession to murder or assault).

    Given the number of ME migrants that Merkel's invited to Germany, we might expect ~400 of them to commit some kind of knife-related crime. I'm assuming the migrants are overwhelmingly male, but I've not attempted any kind of spurious accuracy.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    EPG said:

    Erm, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there riots and brutally violent murders in England this decade, and everyone kept calm and nobody went mad? So how are the Germans meant to behave? They probably know that moaning solves nothing but keeping an eye on terrorist risks does.

    Is not that it's the not being honest about the problem, if you have a million people coming from a war zone and different culture within a few weeks their WILL be terrorists and murders among them and they can't even do checks.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited July 2016
    John_M said:

    EPG said:

    Erm, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there riots and brutally violent murders in England this decade, and everyone kept calm and nobody went mad? So how are the Germans meant to behave? They probably know that moaning solves nothing but keeping an eye on terrorist risks does.

    I disagree that people should be getting up in arms about these attacks. "Keep buggering on" isn't glamorous or macho, but it's the only way to proceed. Our chances of dying in a terrorist attack are tiny. Driving a car is far more hazardous. In the UK we lose around 8 people a week through drowning.

    I used to be in security. Most techies follow the Bruce Schneier route. Start off reading books on cryptography, end by studying the psychology of risk and threat management. We need to stay calm and rational.

    The security services have to concentrate on thwarting the spectaculars - there's a limit to what can realistically be done about these random lone wolf attacks.
    Okay - I agree a bit, but.

    I worked for the guy in charge of SO15/helped him get the job. And knew Peter Taylor. Both were impressive guys in their own ways and I trusted both implicitly.

    I'm not a paternalistic sort. I back what the Met officers involved with Menezes to the hilt - they believed they were about to be blown to bits. I call that heroic. That they'd been handed the wrong target was tragic - but it never undid their bravery.

    I think our national eff-you attitude keeps everyone on their toes. And not in an appeasing manner.

    If certain ethnic communities have to take some heat as a result - well boohoo. Sticks and stones don't kill people too often here = and names never do.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    It was announced this morning that chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has had her speaking slot at the Democratic convention canceled, and she will no longer chair the convention. In her place will be a congress woman with the wonderful name of Fudge. Other than ceremonial stuff, Schultz will be absent.

    It has always been obvious that the DNC (meant to be scrupulously neutral) was in the tank for Hillary - scheduling debates on weekends and public holidays when TV viewership is lowest, Superdelegates etc - but now we know it is true. Wikileaks released 20k emails from DNC members Friday, and it confirms the anti-Sanders bias.

    A meeting yesterday between Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver and Clinton campaign manager Robbie Mook apparently ended unsuccessfully in an attempt to smooth over the cracks. By the time the convention opens tomorrow evening much work will have been done to show unity, but this is not good. The Sanders folks are furious at being proved right.

    This of course plays right into the hands of Trump (and Sanders) with their rigged system claims. Now we know it's true.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    New French presidential election poll from BVA

    Le Pen 29%
    Sarkozy 23%
    Hollande 13%
    Bayrou 13%
    Melenchon 13%
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    PlatoSaid said:

    John_M said:

    EPG said:

    Erm, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there riots and brutally violent murders in England this decade, and everyone kept calm and nobody went mad? So how are the Germans meant to behave? They probably know that moaning solves nothing but keeping an eye on terrorist risks does.

    I disagree that people should be getting up in arms about these attacks. "Keep buggering on" isn't glamorous or macho, but it's the only way to proceed. Our chances of dying in a terrorist attack are tiny. Driving a car is far more hazardous. In the UK we lose around 8 people a week through drowning.

    I used to be in security. Most techies follow the Bruce Schneier route. Start off reading books on cryptography, end by studying the psychology of risk and threat management. We need to stay calm and rational.

    The security services have to concentrate on thwarting the spectaculars - there's a limit to what can realistically be done about these random lone wolf attacks.
    Okay - I agree a bit, but.

    I worked for the guy in charge of SO15/helped him get the job. And knew Peter Taylor. Both were impressive guys in their own ways and I trusted both implicitly.

    I'm not a paternalistic sort. I back what the Met officers involved with Menezes to the hilt - they believed they were about to be blown to bits. I call that heroic. That they'd been handed the wrong target was tragic - but it never undid their bravery.

    I think our national eff-you attitude keeps everyone on their toes. And not in an appeasing manner.

    If certain ethnic communities have to take some heat as a result - well boohoo. Sticks and stones don't kill people too often here = and names never do.
    My attitude to terrorists is 'fuck 'em'. They're not worth a moment of fear.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    HYUFD said:

    New French presidential election poll from BVA

    Le Pen 29%
    Sarkozy 23%
    Hollande 13%
    Bayrou 13%
    Melenchon 13%

    It's the second round run offs that matter.
  • John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    Aye, the German population peaked in 1998. Think it will be up this year though. Can't believe that we're getting within spitting distance of the Germans.
    It is quite incredible. Of course add those of British descent in US, Canada, NZ, Aus, SA etc and there are far more of us.
    Add in those of German descent in the US and they'd be comfortably ahead...

    I don't know why you're so keen to claim the US for your British Empire redux.
    Whether you like it or not Britain still has a vast cultural empire covering about a third of the worlds surface and with modern weaponry rendering hard power of little use such soft power is ever more important.

    In such a situation trying to weld ourselves to a major power bloc that does not share this culture and history was and is crazy
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    What happens to people when they are dehumanized in a war zone. Germany is going to have huge repucussions.

    This is an obvious cover up by the German security forces for political reasons.

    Police have also told Sky News there is no evidence pointing to the incident being a terrorist attack.

    "Spokesman Bjoern Reusch said in a statement that witnesses said the man, who was known to police, was having an argument with the woman.........."

    People don't normally attack other people with machetes over over grown trees or blocking the driveway etc.

    Ffs cover ups like these is how the far right grows get a grip, Germany.
    He might well be another nutter, who walks around with a machete and has arguments with people which he resolves by attacking them. But because the authorities haven't been straight with people there is now always a suspicion of what is going on and as you say it breeds popularity for extremists offering solutions.
    He think it likely he is a nutter rather than Isis inspired, but the way they didn't tell us anything during Davids attack and during the Cologne attacks breeds suspicion.
    Also ISIS inspired or not (and from the media reports it sounds not), it is another nutter that Merkel has welcomed in and clearly he has been in lots of trouble before but still free to wander around.

    I think a big problem that Germany will face is a massive cultural difference. Whenever I have visited Germany I have always been pleasantly surprised how the masses just buy into rules, regulations and doing what they have been told e.g. self validating train tickets, because things work when you do. In contrast we have to have barriers to stop people from not paying.

    They now have 2 million new people who haven't grown up with those values.
    This is going to sound very parochial - but exactly the same attitude struck me when I moved as a teenager from Newcastle to London in the 80s. In Newcastle, when a bus pulled up - the queue snaked from the front with no funny business. My first experience of Victoria Bus Station was a free for all. I just stood there gobsmacked. Where were the conventions? Manners? Politeness?

    That's a 0.1% experience for German nationals compared to recent arrivals.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    I think there'll be an early election, too. But the kicker is that Labour have to splinter (not necessarily split) first. Otherwise there's probably more mileage for TM in letting the chaos continue.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    It was announced this morning that chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has had her speaking slot at the Democratic convention canceled, and she will no longer chair the convention. In her place will be a congress woman with the wonderful name of Fudge. Other than ceremonial stuff, Schultz will be absent.

    It has always been obvious that the DNC (meant to be scrupulously neutral) was in the tank for Hillary - scheduling debates on weekends and public holidays when TV viewership is lowest, Superdelegates etc - but now we know it is true. Wikileaks released 20k emails from DNC members Friday, and it confirms the anti-Sanders bias.

    A meeting yesterday between Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver and Clinton campaign manager Robbie Mook apparently ended unsuccessfully in an attempt to smooth over the cracks. By the time the convention opens tomorrow evening much work will have been done to show unity, but this is not good. The Sanders folks are furious at being proved right.

    This of course plays right into the hands of Trump (and Sanders) with their rigged system claims. Now we know it's true.

    There is a lot of noise about those DNC emails ,allegedly they tried to sabotage the Sanders and Trump campaigns by coordinating with news channels, editorials, infiltrations and sabotage.

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    PlatoSaid said:

    BMW driver ran over attacker, stopping him. Give the guy a medal! #Reutlingen https://t.co/S6HhxAGwto

    21 year old Asylum seeker from Syria.
    Allowing so many young men in whos adolescence was turned upside down by a vicious civil war was always going to be er..brave.

    The problem Germany has is that their demographic crises is so bad that they thought it worth the gamble.
    "Demographic crisis"

    Paying their people on €1 per hour mini-jobs, 4.7% unemployed and underemployed more money?
  • PlatoSaid said:

    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    What happens to people when they are dehumanized in a war zone. Germany is going to have huge repucussions.

    This is an obvious cover up by the German security forces for political reasons.

    Police have also told Sky News there is no evidence pointing to the incident being a terrorist attack.

    "Spokesman Bjoern Reusch said in a statement that witnesses said the man, who was known to police, was having an argument with the woman.........."

    People don't normally attack other people with machetes over over grown trees or blocking the driveway etc.

    Ffs cover ups like these is how the far right grows get a grip, Germany.
    He might well be another nutter, who walks around with a machete and has arguments with people which he resolves by attacking them. But because the authorities haven't been straight with people there is now always a suspicion of what is going on and as you say it breeds popularity for extremists offering solutions.
    He think it likely he is a nutter rather than Isis inspired, but the way they didn't tell us anything during Davids attack and during the Cologne attacks breeds suspicion.
    Also ISIS inspired or not (and from the media reports it sounds not), it is another nutter that Merkel has welcomed in and clearly he has been in lots of trouble before but still free to wander around.

    I think a big problem that Germany will face is a massive cultural difference. Whenever I have visited Germany I have always been pleasantly surprised how the masses just buy into rules, regulations and doing what they have been told e.g. self validating train tickets, because things work when you do. In contrast we have to have barriers to stop people from not paying.

    They now have 2 million new people who haven't grown up with those values.
    This is going to sound very parochial - but exactly the same attitude struck me when I moved as a teenager from Newcastle to London in the 80s. In Newcastle, when a bus pulled up - the queue snaked from the front with no funny business. My first experience of Victoria Bus Station was a free for all. I just stood there gobsmacked. Where were the conventions? Manners? Politeness?

    That's a 0.1% experience for German nationals compared to recent arrivals.
    It is for modern Germans, for those alive before the Ethnic cleansing of 1914-1950 not so much.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    It was announced this morning that chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has had her speaking slot at the Democratic convention canceled, and she will no longer chair the convention. In her place will be a congress woman with the wonderful name of Fudge. Other than ceremonial stuff, Schultz will be absent.

    It has always been obvious that the DNC (meant to be scrupulously neutral) was in the tank for Hillary - scheduling debates on weekends and public holidays when TV viewership is lowest, Superdelegates etc - but now we know it is true. Wikileaks released 20k emails from DNC members Friday, and it confirms the anti-Sanders bias.

    A meeting yesterday between Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver and Clinton campaign manager Robbie Mook apparently ended unsuccessfully in an attempt to smooth over the cracks. By the time the convention opens tomorrow evening much work will have been done to show unity, but this is not good. The Sanders folks are furious at being proved right.

    This of course plays right into the hands of Trump (and Sanders) with their rigged system claims. Now we know it's true.

    There is a lot of noise about those DNC emails ,allegedly they tried to sabotage the Sanders and Trump campaigns by coordinating with news channels, editorials, infiltrations and sabotage.

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.
    Hmm.

    You foretold Trump's demise at every point - including before and after Trump University being brought up during the primaries, for example. My Objectivity Meter doesn't register your opinion on this subject right now.

  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    nunu said:

    EPG said:

    Erm, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there riots and brutally violent murders in England this decade, and everyone kept calm and nobody went mad? So how are the Germans meant to behave? They probably know that moaning solves nothing but keeping an eye on terrorist risks does.

    Is not that it's the not being honest about the problem, if you have a million people coming from a war zone and different culture within a few weeks their WILL be terrorists and murders among them and they can't even do checks.
    One woman killed and two injured now, clearly not an argument then.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    PlatoSaid said:

    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    What happens to people when they are dehumanized in a war zone. Germany is going to have huge repucussions.

    This is an obvious cover up by the German security forces for political reasons.

    Police have also told Sky News there is no evidence pointing to the incident being a terrorist attack.

    "Spokesman Bjoern Reusch said in a statement that witnesses said the man, who was known to police, was having an argument with the woman.........."

    People don't normally attack other people with machetes over over grown trees or blocking the driveway etc.

    Ffs cover ups like these is how the far right grows get a grip, Germany.
    He might well be another nutter, who walks around with a machete and has arguments with people which he resolves by attacking them. But because the authorities haven't been straight with people there is now always a suspicion of what is going on and as you say it breeds popularity for extremists offering solutions.
    He think it likely he is a nutter rather than Isis inspired, but the way they didn't tell us anything during Davids attack and during the Cologne attacks breeds suspicion.
    Also ISIS inspired or not (and from the media reports it sounds not), it is another nutter that Merkel has welcomed in and clearly he has been in lots of trouble before but still free to wander around.

    I think a big problem that Germany will face is a massive cultural difference. Whenever I have visited Germany I have always been pleasantly surprised how the masses just buy into rules, regulations and doing what they have been told e.g. self validating train tickets, because things work when you do. In contrast we have to have barriers to stop people from not paying.

    They now have 2 million new people who haven't grown up with those values.
    This is going to sound very parochial - but exactly the same attitude struck me when I moved as a teenager from Newcastle to London in the 80s. In Newcastle, when a bus pulled up - the queue snaked from the front with no funny business. My first experience of Victoria Bus Station was a free for all. I just stood there gobsmacked. Where were the conventions? Manners? Politeness?

    That's a 0.1% experience for German nationals compared to recent arrivals.
    Had to queue up to board a train from Nottingham to Skegness last Monday, and had to do the same at Skegness to board the return service.

    I don't think I've seen that before except at busy London rail termini and also I think at Liverpool (Virgin Trains to London).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314

    Whether you like it or not Britain still has a vast cultural empire covering about a third of the worlds surface

    Simply delusional. Britain is no longer the centre of the English speaking world, just as Portugal is no longer the centre of the Portuguese speaking world, and Spain is no longer the centre of the Spanish speaking world.


    In such a situation trying to weld ourselves to a major power bloc that does not share this culture and history was and is crazy

    Our history and place in the world is as intertwined as every other major European nation with the history of Europe itself. We are not some sui generis civilisation, and critically to your thesis, we do not have a unique claim to being the mother country of the USA.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    New French presidential election poll from BVA

    Le Pen 29%
    Sarkozy 23%
    Hollande 13%
    Bayrou 13%
    Melenchon 13%

    So no change then.

    I have the feeling that the french would rather die a horrible death after living a horrible life rather than vote for any change.
    That's a very Japanese attitude towards fatalism.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Speedy said:

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.

    The funniest thing I read was an internal email thread about a Trump Facebook post. Someone said, "Are they aggressively deleting comments or do that many people really like Trump?"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    New French presidential election poll from BVA

    Le Pen 29%
    Sarkozy 23%
    Hollande 13%
    Bayrou 13%
    Melenchon 13%

    It's the second round run offs that matter.
    You have to get into the second round first though
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited July 2016
    Why do people keep posting on here that May has a Majority of 12?

    For starters it's actually 16 as Sinn Fein MPs don't turn up - and can't turn up as they aren't sworn in.

    Then factor in that DUP, UUP and Carswell are absolutely certain to vote with the Govt on any vote in connection with Article 50 / leaving the EU. With their support the majority is 38.

    A bit different to 12 isn't it?

    And 38 will be quite enough - especially when you bear in mind that Lab MPs like Stuart, Hoey and Field will also give their support.
  • Whether you like it or not Britain still has a vast cultural empire covering about a third of the worlds surface

    Simply delusional. Britain is no longer the centre of the English speaking world, just as Portugal is no longer the centre of the Portuguese speaking world, and Spain is no longer the centre of the Spanish speaking world.
    I never said we were, but we created it and are still a big player in it, we made up the rules they run on to this day, so to cut ourselves off from it in a neosocialist eurobabble speaking bloc is crazy.


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    New French presidential election poll from BVA

    Le Pen 29%
    Sarkozy 23%
    Hollande 13%
    Bayrou 13%
    Melenchon 13%

    So no change then.

    I have the feeling that the french would rather die a horrible death after living a horrible life rather than vote for any change.
    That's a very Japanese attitude towards fatalism.
    Still Le Pen clearly ahead in round 1 and on this poll age faces Sarkozy in round 2, though of course Sarkozy needs to beat Juppe in the primary first
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited July 2016
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    It was announced this morning that chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has had her speaking slot at the Democratic convention canceled, and she will no longer chair the convention. In her place will be a congress woman with the wonderful name of Fudge. Other than ceremonial stuff, Schultz will be absent.

    It has always been obvious that the DNC (meant to be scrupulously neutral) was in the tank for Hillary - scheduling debates on weekends and public holidays when TV viewership is lowest, Superdelegates etc - but now we know it is true. Wikileaks released 20k emails from DNC members Friday, and it confirms the anti-Sanders bias.

    A meeting yesterday between Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver and Clinton campaign manager Robbie Mook apparently ended unsuccessfully in an attempt to smooth over the cracks. By the time the convention opens tomorrow evening much work will have been done to show unity, but this is not good. The Sanders folks are furious at being proved right.

    This of course plays right into the hands of Trump (and Sanders) with their rigged system claims. Now we know it's true.

    There is a lot of noise about those DNC emails ,allegedly they tried to sabotage the Sanders and Trump campaigns by coordinating with news channels, editorials, infiltrations and sabotage.

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.
    Speedy, It's not really about illegality, - and you can drop the 'allegedly' nonsense, as we have the emails - this is fact. it's about dishonesty, crude political bias, lies and dissembling.

    Much of the main stream media is also in the tank for Hillary - Here is an example of bias from Politico - no surprise, as an organization it's about as biased pro-Hillary as it's possible to be.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/07/22/ken-vogel-politico-dnc-emails/
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MikeL said:

    Why do people keep posting on here that May has a Majority of 12?

    For starters it's actually 16 as Sinn Fein MPs don't turn up - and can't turn up as they aren't sworn in.

    Then factor in that DUP, UUP and Carswell are absolutely certain to vote with the Govt on any vote in connection with Article 50 / leaving the EU. With their support the majority is 38.

    A bit different to 12 isn't it?

    And 38 will be quite enough - especially when you bear in mind that Lab MPs like Stuart, Hoey and Field will also give their support.

    Well said, I was bored/ignored it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    New French presidential election poll from BVA

    Le Pen 29%
    Sarkozy 23%
    Hollande 13%
    Bayrou 13%
    Melenchon 13%

    It's the second round run offs that matter.
    You have to get into the second round first though
    It's going to be MLP and the Les Republicans candidate.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    MikeL said:

    Why do people keep posting on here that May has a Majority of 12?

    For starters it's actually 16 as Sinn Fein MPs don't turn up - and can't turn up as they aren't sworn in.

    Then factor in that DUP, UUP and Carswell are absolutely certain to vote with the Govt on any vote in connection with Article 50 / leaving the EU. With their support the majority is 38.

    A bit different to 12 isn't it?

    And 38 will be quite enough - especially when you bear in mind that Lab MPs like Stuart, Hoey and Field will also give their support.

    Well said, I was bored/ignored it.
    Im sure I posted that a couple of weeks back?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    @MikeK - you're using some validation bot for Twitter followers?

    Not playing that game - just don't.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314

    Whether you like it or not Britain still has a vast cultural empire covering about a third of the worlds surface

    Simply delusional. Britain is no longer the centre of the English speaking world, just as Portugal is no longer the centre of the Portuguese speaking world, and Spain is no longer the centre of the Spanish speaking world.
    I never said we were, but we created it and are still a big player in it, we made up the rules they run on to this day, so to cut ourselves off from it in a neosocialist eurobabble speaking bloc is crazy.
    The claim to British exceptionalism is much weaker than you think it is.

    There may be valid reasons for staying apart from the EU but a weird ethnic nationalism and misguided linguistic superiority complex are not among them.
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    John_M said:

    EPG said:

    Erm, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there riots and brutally violent murders in England this decade, and everyone kept calm and nobody went mad? So how are the Germans meant to behave? They probably know that moaning solves nothing but keeping an eye on terrorist risks does.

    I disagree that people should be getting up in arms about these attacks. "Keep buggering on" isn't glamorous or macho, but it's the only way to proceed. Our chances of dying in a terrorist attack are tiny. Driving a car is far more hazardous. In the UK we lose around 8 people a week through drowning.

    I used to be in security. Most techies follow the Bruce Schneier route. Start off reading books on cryptography, end by studying the psychology of risk and threat management. We need to stay calm and rational.

    The security services have to concentrate on thwarting the spectaculars - there's a limit to what can realistically be done about these random lone wolf attacks.
    Okay - I agree a bit, but.

    I worked for the guy in charge of SO15/helped him get the job. And knew Peter Taylor. Both were impressive guys in their own ways and I trusted both implicitly.

    I'm not a paternalistic sort. I back what the Met officers involved with Menezes to the hilt - they believed they were about to be blown to bits. I call that heroic. That they'd been handed the wrong target was tragic - but it never undid their bravery.

    I think our national eff-you attitude keeps everyone on their toes. And not in an appeasing manner.

    If certain ethnic communities have to take some heat as a result - well boohoo. Sticks and stones don't kill people too often here = and names never do.
    My attitude to terrorists is 'fuck 'em'. They're not worth a moment of fear.
    I agree, some people just do the terrorist's work for them, off the rails with anger at the first opportunity. I recently moved jobs and the person I replaced said that they weren't going to go into a major city last Christmas (this was in early December) as they had been told that there was going to be a terrorist attack and it was someone in the forces who had tipped them off, so it was true. I told them that was stupid and they just went crazy. Screw 'em, carry on, don't be a headless chicken claiming terrorism at the slightest chance.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Apparently the woman killed was pregnant.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.

    The funniest thing I read was an internal email thread about a Trump Facebook post. Someone said, "Are they aggressively deleting comments or do that many people really like Trump?"
    Well I got some news from the 2016 front.
    Remember when I wrote that a nominee has to do 3 things in order to win the election:

    A. Select a VP that makes the party happy.
    B. Have a lead in the polls after the convention.
    C. Win the debates.

    I said that Trump did A and we are waiting too see about B.

    Well Hillary failed do to A.
    I've been going around democratic forums and the opinion about her VP selection is split among 2 dominant opinions:

    A. He is terrible, I'm having second thoughts about voting Hillary.
    B. Yes he is terrible, but anyone having second thoughts is an idiot.

    The DNC emails are making Sanders supporters moan again too.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    "Syrian refugee, 21, hacks pregnant woman to death with a machete and injures two others before hero BMW driver runs him over, in latest attack to shock Germany"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3705823/Machete-wielding-attacker-kills-woman-injures-two-new-German-outrage.html
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    It was announced this morning that chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has had her speaking slot at the Democratic convention canceled, and she will no longer chair the convention. In her place will be a congress woman with the wonderful name of Fudge. Other than ceremonial stuff, Schultz will be absent.

    It has always been obvious that the DNC (meant to be scrupulously neutral) was in the tank for Hillary - scheduling debates on weekends and public holidays when TV viewership is lowest, Superdelegates etc - but now we know it is true. Wikileaks released 20k emails from DNC members Friday, and it confirms the anti-Sanders bias.

    A meeting yesterday between Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver and Clinton campaign manager Robbie Mook apparently ended unsuccessfully in an attempt to smooth over the cracks. By the time the convention opens tomorrow evening much work will have been done to show unity, but this is not good. The Sanders folks are furious at being proved right.

    This of course plays right into the hands of Trump (and Sanders) with their rigged system claims. Now we know it's true.

    There is a lot of noise about those DNC emails ,allegedly they tried to sabotage the Sanders and Trump campaigns by coordinating with news channels, editorials, infiltrations and sabotage.

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.
    Speedy, It's not really about illegality, - and you can drop the 'allegedly' nonsense, as we have the emails - this is fact. it's about dishonesty, crude political bias, lies and dissembling.

    Much of the main stream media is also in the tank for Hillary - Here is an example of bias from Politico - no surprise, as an organization it's about as biased pro-Hillary as it's possible to be.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/07/22/ken-vogel-politico-dnc-emails/
    I am trying to prepare people I know in the US for the possibility of a Trump presidency. They are not listening.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Speedy said:

    Well Hillary failed do to A.
    I've been going around democratic forums and the opinion about her VP selection is split among 2 dominant opinions:

    A. He is terrible, I'm having second thoughts about voting Hillary.
    B. Yes he is terrible, but anyone having second thoughts is an idiot.

    Some analysts were opining that her choice of Kaine just shows how ultra-confident she is about the election because he doesn't bring any electoral advantage. This was written as if it were a good thing.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Apparently the woman killed was pregnant.

    Some pathetic TLine idiot in mine is saying it's all a domestic - so why did he try to kill others?

    I've had a gut full of this. I really have.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    AndyJS said:

    "Syrian refugee, 21, hacks pregnant woman to death with a machete and injures two others before hero BMW driver runs him over, in latest attack to shock Germany"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3705823/Machete-wielding-attacker-kills-woman-injures-two-new-German-outrage.html

    "Danke, Germany, for letting me into your wonderful country. Now, let me find my machete!"
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    MikeL said:

    Then factor in that DUP, UUP and Carswell are absolutely certain to vote with the Govt on any vote in connection with Article 50 / leaving the EU. With their support the majority is 38.

    I suspect it's not those votes that will cause the trouble. Budgets & other primary legislation may.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.

    The funniest thing I read was an internal email thread about a Trump Facebook post. Someone said, "Are they aggressively deleting comments or do that many people really like Trump?"
    Well I got some news from the 2016 front.
    Remember when I wrote that a nominee has to do 3 things in order to win the election:

    A. Select a VP that makes the party happy.
    B. Have a lead in the polls after the convention.
    C. Win the debates.

    I said that Trump did A and we are waiting too see about B.

    Well Hillary failed do to A.
    I've been going around democratic forums and the opinion about her VP selection is split among 2 dominant opinions:

    A. He is terrible, I'm having second thoughts about voting Hillary.
    B. Yes he is terrible, but anyone having second thoughts is an idiot.

    The DNC emails are making Sanders supporters moan again too.
    There are two other options -

    C. He represents the status quo and reinforces Trump's claim that she is the establishment candidate
    D. He makes no difference at all and is bland.

    The first thing anyone says about Kaine is that he speaks fluent Spanish. That's pretty much all they say. His record is undistinguished at best. His approval numbers in VA are not good. But he is a friend of Hillary. Warren was under active consideration then the banks let it be known to Hillary that they would not fund her if Warren was on the ticket.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    PlatoSaid said:

    MikeL said:

    Why do people keep posting on here that May has a Majority of 12?

    For starters it's actually 16 as Sinn Fein MPs don't turn up - and can't turn up as they aren't sworn in.

    Then factor in that DUP, UUP and Carswell are absolutely certain to vote with the Govt on any vote in connection with Article 50 / leaving the EU. With their support the majority is 38.

    A bit different to 12 isn't it?

    And 38 will be quite enough - especially when you bear in mind that Lab MPs like Stuart, Hoey and Field will also give their support.

    Well said, I was bored/ignored it.
    Im sure I posted that a couple of weeks back?
    Yes u did lol.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    edited July 2016
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    The most illegal thing allegedly is that they payed $600K to try and physically attack RNC delegates at the republican convention.

    The funniest thing I read was an internal email thread about a Trump Facebook post. Someone said, "Are they aggressively deleting comments or do that many people really like Trump?"
    Well I got some news from the 2016 front.
    Remember when I wrote that a nominee has to do 3 things in order to win the election:

    A. Select a VP that makes the party happy.
    B. Have a lead in the polls after the convention.
    C. Win the debates.

    I said that Trump did A and we are waiting too see about B.

    Well Hillary failed do to A.
    I've been going around democratic forums and the opinion about her VP selection is split among 2 dominant opinions:

    A. He is terrible, I'm having second thoughts about voting Hillary.
    B. Yes he is terrible, but anyone having second thoughts is an idiot.

    The DNC emails are making Sanders supporters moan again too.
    You are wrong on A. For example Al Gore largely won the popular vote because he picked Lieberman who the party base disliked, McCain in the long term did not help himself by picking Palin in 2008 whom the party base loved. Kaine was a far more shrewd choice for Hillary than Warren, a centrist and Spanish speaker he can help her with independent males and Hispanics and he is from Virginia, a key swing state. Warren would have turned independents towards Trump-Pence and being from Massachusetts adds nothing in terms of electoral votes Hillary does not already have.

    A few Sanders voters will now vote for Jill Stein but they will be cancelled out by the Bush, Rubio and Kasich voters voting for Gary Johnson
  • eekeek Posts: 30,802

    Speedy said:

    Well Hillary failed do to A.
    I've been going around democratic forums and the opinion about her VP selection is split among 2 dominant opinions:

    A. He is terrible, I'm having second thoughts about voting Hillary.
    B. Yes he is terrible, but anyone having second thoughts is an idiot.

    Some analysts were opining that her choice of Kaine just shows how ultra-confident she is about the election because he doesn't bring any electoral advantage. This was written as if it were a good thing.
    As was shown in the referendum arrogance is what loses elections...
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Story doing the rounds in Germany is that the man may have known the woman.

    Awaiting verification.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    AndyJS said:

    "Syrian refugee, 21, hacks pregnant woman to death with a machete and injures two others before hero BMW driver runs him over, in latest attack to shock Germany"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3705823/Machete-wielding-attacker-kills-woman-injures-two-new-German-outrage.html

    I don't pay much attention to DM comments - but the most recent one when I clicked on your link said it all

    "This madness wont stop until someone in power is attacked.... If dave camerons kids were killed you can gaurantee we would of been out the EU in 1 minute flat"

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3705823/Machete-wielding-attacker-kills-woman-injures-two-new-German-outrage.html#ixzz4FLqeZdsj

  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Hillary Rodham Coakley!
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Y0kel said:

    Story doing the rounds in Germany is that the man may have known the woman.

    Awaiting verification.

    Yeah right. I don't believe the German authorities now, I'm afraid. Sad.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Time for a late lunch - afternoon folks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    edited July 2016
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    New French presidential election poll from BVA

    Le Pen 29%
    Sarkozy 23%
    Hollande 13%
    Bayrou 13%
    Melenchon 13%

    It's the second round run offs that matter.
    You have to get into the second round first though
    It's going to be MLP and the Les Republicans candidate.
    Probably unless Les Republicains ditch Hollande for Macron and Sarkozy and Juppe run in round one
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited July 2016
    "The man, a Syrian asylum seeker, had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, a police spokesman said."

    Remember "lone wolf" cough cough who carried out the Nice attacks wasn't banged up after attacking somebody a few months earlier. Soft on crime, soft on the causes of crime.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Y0kel said:

    Story doing the rounds in Germany is that the man may have known the woman.

    Awaiting verification.

    Was she immodesty dressed?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited July 2016
    nunu said:

    Y0kel said:

    Story doing the rounds in Germany is that the man may have known the woman.

    Awaiting verification.

    Was she immodesty dressed?
    I notice that one has got dropped when covering the "wrap" up of recent nutter attacks. I guess the list is getting so long, they have to prioritize.

    And I seem to remember, he was another well known to the police for bad behaviour.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,362
    edited July 2016

    ...Britain still has a vast cultural empire covering about a third of the worlds surface...[reply excised...we created it and are still a big player in it, we made up the rules they run on to this day...

    If by "it" you mean the Anglosphere, we don't own it and are not the sole creators of it.

    [EDIT: unnest blockquotes]


  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    nunu said:

    Y0kel said:

    Story doing the rounds in Germany is that the man may have known the woman.

    Awaiting verification.

    Yeah right. I don't believe the German authorities now, I'm afraid. Sad.
    My faith in the MSM is tiny. It'd lost all my residual respect. Given I was a PR Dir with a healthy scepticism - I don't see this as a plus for their industry.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I just read an interesting article about how early retirement was a grossly expensive way to hide redundancies and the effect this has had on occupational pension schemes (spoiler: not good)

    As I am not pension industry literate does this ring true to those of you who are?

    https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/the-great-pensions-cock-up/
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    More on the potential Labour break-up:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-36869020
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    https://heatst.com/politics/wikileaks-posts-and-deletes-anti-semitic-tweet-as-it-does-putins-bidding-for-trump/

    Okay, Louise Mensch is involved in this but she is right some of the time, just insanely prolific. Trump/Putin/Assange/Wikileaks/Anti-Semitism etc. It's all starting to get pieced together (and don't forget this is owned by News Corp).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    MikeL said:

    Why do people keep posting on here that May has a Majority of 12?

    For starters it's actually 16 as Sinn Fein MPs don't turn up - and can't turn up as they aren't sworn in.

    Then factor in that DUP, UUP and Carswell are absolutely certain to vote with the Govt on any vote in connection with Article 50 / leaving the EU. With their support the majority is 38.

    A bit different to 12 isn't it?

    And 38 will be quite enough - especially when you bear in mind that Lab MPs like Stuart, Hoey and Field will also give their support.

    The difficulty of the slender majority is not really to do with any article 50 stuff, if a vote in parliament is even needed. As you say that would pass easily. The slender majority is a problem in the same way it's always a problem, troublemakers cause problems very easily - and the most likely troublemakers remain, ha, the arch leavers who will never be satisfied, even if they won't cause trouble on the question of leaving itself.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Welcome to your Beemer driving runner over: Fatih.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,740
    Thrak said:

    https://heatst.com/politics/wikileaks-posts-and-deletes-anti-semitic-tweet-as-it-does-putins-bidding-for-trump/

    Okay, Louise Mensch is involved in this but she is right some of the time, just insanely prolific. Trump/Putin/Assange/Wikileaks/Anti-Semitism etc. It's all starting to get pieced together (and don't forget this is owned by News Corp).

    If George Soros were George Smith he would have got 1/100th of the opprobrium he has over time. And, yes, Trump is manhood-deep in his ties with the inextricable Putin, Russia, and even, through his European policy advisor, Gazprom! (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Y0kel said:

    Welcome to your Beemer driving runner over: Fatih.

    IS inspired ;-)
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    DM - The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    The authorities clearly know his name – how long will it take the BBC to report it this time.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    O/T - Alex Hales crap again.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197

    DM - The asylum-seeking Syrian man had been involved in previous incidents causing injuries to other people, police said.

    The authorities clearly know his name – how long will it take the BBC to report it this time.

    Already named...."locally known as Hans Schmidt".
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874

    O/T - Alex Hales crap again.

    There are still some positions to fill in the England side. 2nd opener and spinner are two obvious ones.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Just as note related to Syria. There are rumours Jabhat Al Nusra, a major player on the Syrian battlefield and affiliate of Al Qaeda is about to part ways from its spiritual and practical sponsor.

    Nusra is a major worry for many Western officials who feel it is being neglected as everyone obsesses with IS. Indeed so has Al Qaeda. Nusra is an odd one. Some time ago there were indications that it wasn't officially in the business of exporting attacks to the West and that was understood by Al Qaeda.

    By the way, its probably worth checking out if the Nice truck driving murderer had any links with the latter.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Y0kel said:

    Welcome to your Beemer driving runner over: Fatih.

    Every BMW should have a terrorist mascot on the bonnet.
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    Alistair said:

    I just read an interesting article about how early retirement was a grossly expensive way to hide redundancies and the effect this has had on occupational pension schemes (spoiler: not good)

    As I am not pension industry literate does this ring true to those of you who are?

    https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/the-great-pensions-cock-up/

    It rings true as someone who was around in the nineties watching scores of people retire early with enhanced pensions. These people will be in their mid seventies, give or take, now and will have done very nicely out of the arrangement.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited July 2016
    Y0kel said:

    Just as note related to Syria. There are rumours Jabhat Al Nusra, a major player on the Syrian battlefield and affiliate of Al Qaeda is about to part ways from its spiritual and practical sponsor.

    Nusra is a major worry for many Western officials who feel it is being neglected as everyone obsesses with IS. Indeed so has Al Qaeda. Nusra is an odd one. Some time ago there were indications that it wasn't officially in the business of exporting attacks to the West and that was understood by Al Qaeda.

    By the way, its probably worth checking out if the Nice truck driving murderer had any links with the latter.

    That lot are proper nutters. I seen footage of their activities and they aren't far off IS in their [lack of] respect for humanity.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,575
    Alistair said:

    I just read an interesting article about how early retirement was a grossly expensive way to hide redundancies and the effect this has had on occupational pension schemes (spoiler: not good)

    As I am not pension industry literate does this ring true to those of you who are?

    https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/the-great-pensions-cock-up/

    Not in the industry but many moons ago it was how my employer funded redundancies, the norm was 4 weeks salary by year of service and enhanced pension. Nowadays there is no final salary pension and people are being given statutory minimum, ie maximum 14K if you have humungous service. Huge difference.
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