Like when Bryan Adams was number one for four months, we could rely on Ed Miliband to promise us free owls, to call for full, independent, judge-led public inquiries, and to remind us that these strikes are wrong when negotiations are still ongoing*.
*And the Government has acted in a reckless and provocative manner.
Hey, at least Ed Milliband could switch the order of the individual phrases.
"Cameron is reported to have told other EU states in his first post-referendum meeting with them that change is needed to Freedom of Movement."
Does anyone believe that rubbish? That is such a typical example of British news reporting about a British prime minister going to a foreign place called the EU and telling those foreigners what's what.
Think about it for a moment. A British prime minister - and an outgoing one at that - telling the EU, which Britain is supposed to be leaving, that it's going to have to get rid of one of the main planks of its single market. And what did they all say? "Yes, David, we hadn't thought of that, but you're absolutely right. You old Etonians had so much experience in India and Africa and it really shows. We're so indebted to you." Then it is reported that they burst into an enthusiastic rendition of "For he's a jolly good fellow".
Except that lots of Europeans now want Free Movement to be qualified, in some form.
It's not like they've never done it before. They restricted free movement on Poland etc, on accession.
Which just goes to show how shit Cameron's negotiation was, and how dumb the EU is, as an institution. Brexit was so easily avoided if he'd been better and they'd been smarter.
In Pakistan at the moment delivering a couple of workshops. One of my colleagues is Belgian. He is of the view that Brexit was good, as we were always the ones preventing the rEU progressing faster on social and political integration. He is in the good riddance camp, although hoping the best for the UK outside the EU.
It is that mentality that confirms to me that Brexit was the right thing to do and that, despite some local short-term difficulties, the UK will do fine in the long-run and it is the EU that has a potentially tumultuous future.
As Zhou Enlai said about the French Revolution (or, as I have recently learned, more likely about the 1968 protests), it is "too early to say" the real results of Brexit and will probably be so in 20 or 40 years' time too!
Having said that, I'd deem it pretty unlikely that in 20 years, we will look at whatever the EU has evolved into and think "yeah, that looks like Britain (or whatever the UK has evolved into) would be a good fit". And in 40 years, it's almost inconceivable.
Mr. T, Umunna is a slicker Ed Miliband. He's metropolitan through and through, and I'm not sure that's what Labour needs now, with UKIP surely knocking on Labour's northern doors.
I cannot fathom how anyone can think Chuka has a drop of charisma, he is the very definition of an out-of-touch bland metropolitan nobody.
To be fair Mrs May is hardly the life and soul of the party!
Keir Starmer available at 36 on BF exchange and Stephen Kinnock at 50 on the sportsbook.
Would Labour risk a proper leadership contest? Surely better just to get Eagle in position before conference.
Is Eagle really the best option they've got?
A weepy, whiny woman? I do not think so.
Indeed, if I were Labour I'd be twisting Hilary Benn's arm so far up his back right now.
I actually wrote on PB a few months ago that I would probably vote for Benn in a leadership contest, but not after the EU Referendum. I come back to the big point: if "moderates" like Benn had a better sense of public opinion than Corbyn does, then he would have foreseen how badly the Remain campaign would go down with the country.
52% and many pollsters called it wrong, but sure, Hilary Benn should have called it ....!
All Benn would've had to do was take a walk around one of Labour's northern seats and ask about 20 people to get a feel for how people felt about the Remain campaign. Again, the fact he seemed completely oblivious to public opinion on that issue does rather suggest he would similarly misread public opinion on all manner of other issues if he was party leader.
If Corbyn's off the ballot paper, maybe that's the time to back Labour to win Most Seats at the next GE .... on offer at 4.0 (3/1) with Laddies and Bet365. Does anyone really think that with a half credible leader, the probability of Labour landing this bet is as low as 25%? DYOR.
Like when Bryan Adams was number one for four months, we could rely on Ed Miliband to promise us free owls, to call for full, independent, judge-led public inquiries, and to remind us that these strikes are wrong when negotiations are still ongoing*.
*And the Government has acted in a reckless and provocative manner.
Don't forget the exhortations to drop the rhetoric and get round the negotiating table.
Keir Starmer available at 36 on BF exchange and Stephen Kinnock at 50 on the sportsbook.
Would Labour risk a proper leadership contest? Surely better just to get Eagle in position before conference.
Is Eagle really the best option they've got?
A weepy, whiny woman? I do not think so.
Indeed, if I were Labour I'd be twisting Hilary Benn's arm so far up his back right now.
I actually wrote on PB a few months ago that I would probably vote for Benn in a leadership contest, but not after the EU Referendum. I come back to the big point: if "moderates" like Benn had a better sense of public opinion than Corbyn does, then he would have foreseen how badly the Remain campaign would go down with the country.
Fewer Labour voters voted Leave than Tory voters voted Remain, it was the near universal support of UKIP voters for Leave which was pivotal to the Brexit result
"Cameron is reported to have told other EU states in his first post-referendum meeting with them that change is needed to Freedom of Movement."
Does anyone believe that rubbish? That is such a typical example of British news reporting about a British prime minister going to a foreign place called the EU and telling those foreigners what's what.
Think about it for a moment. A British prime minister - and an outgoing one at that - telling the EU, which Britain is supposed to be leaving, that it's going to have to get rid of one of the main planks of its single market. And what did they all say? "Yes, David, we hadn't thought of that, but you're absolutely right. You old Etonians had so much experience in India and Africa and it really shows. We're so indebted to you." Then it is reported that they burst into an enthusiastic rendition of "For he's a jolly good fellow".
Except that lots of Europeans now want Free Movement to be qualified, in some form.
It's not like they've never done it before. They restricted free movement on Poland etc, on accession.
Which just goes to show how shit Cameron's negotiation was, and how dumb the EU is, as an institution. Brexit was so easily avoided if he'd been better and they'd been smarter.
In Pakistan at the moment delivering a couple of workshops. One of my colleagues is Belgian. He is of the view that Brexit was good, as we were always the ones preventing the rEU progressing faster on social and political integration. He is in the good riddance camp, although hoping the best for the UK outside the EU.
It is that mentality that confirms to me that Brexit was the right thing to do and that, despite some local short-term difficulties, the UK will do fine in the long-run and it is the EU that has a potentially tumultuous future.
As Zhou Enlai said about the French Revolution (or, as I have recently learned, more likely about the 1968 protests), it is "too early to say" the real results of Brexit and will probably be so in 20 or 40 years' time too!
Having said that, I'd deem it pretty unlikely that in 20 years, we will look at whatever the EU has evolved into and think "yeah, that looks like Britain (or whatever the UK has evolved into) would be a good fit". And in 40 years, it's almost inconceivable.
Completely agree. We're going to have to suffer both sides posting good/bad news on here for a while, but we really won't be able to truly pass a verdict for 10-15 years in my view.
Interesting to see Brexit gradually disappearing from the news sites I follow. That's good news in its own right.
Keir Starmer available at 36 on BF exchange and Stephen Kinnock at 50 on the sportsbook.
Would Labour risk a proper leadership contest? Surely better just to get Eagle in position before conference.
Is Eagle really the best option they've got?
A weepy, whiny woman? I do not think so.
Indeed, if I were Labour I'd be twisting Hilary Benn's arm so far up his back right now.
I actually wrote on PB a few months ago that I would probably vote for Benn in a leadership contest, but not after the EU Referendum. I come back to the big point: if "moderates" like Benn had a better sense of public opinion than Corbyn does, then he would have foreseen how badly the Remain campaign would go down with the country.
52% and many pollsters called it wrong, but sure, Hilary Benn should have called it ....!
All Benn would've had to do was take a walk around one of Labour's northern seats and ask about 20 people to get a feel for how people felt about the Remain campaign. Again, the fact he seemed completely oblivious to public opinion on that issue does rather suggest he would similarly misread public opinion on all manner of other issues if he was party leader.
I live in one and plenty people I know think Remaining is a no brainier and the leave campaign had no decent arguments, but OK.
If Corbyn's off the ballot paper, maybe that's the time to back Labour to win Most Seats at the next GE .... on offer at 4.0 (3/1) with Laddies and Bet365. Does anyone really think that with a half credible leader, the probability of Labour landing this bet is as low as 25%? DYOR.
Are you suggesting you don't believe the poll, or that Trump might be outperforming expectations with Hispanics?
Their last Florida poll was Trump +5 and they only have a C rating from 538. The demographic breakdown is nonsense and I don't know any serious pundit who thinks Trump is leading Clinton by double digits with hispanics, even in Florida.
Terrible result for Labour. I hope the realignment can be swift, otherwise we may end up with a decade of effortless Conservative victories (and governments need holding to account).
Edited extra bit: softened the line against Peston. Been a shade intemperate of late.
This summer of politics is like the 2005 Ashes. You knew after that series that cricket could never be that exciting again. Simply impossible. Drama sustained to the final hours...
I was in England then - we were going to church one sunday evening, and stopped in the car park to listen to the cricket. Other church goers gathered around, and eventually the rector came out to join us. After the game we all wandered inside and did our god bothering bit.
Best Ashes series I remember.
Am rather surprised by the idea of you going to church! Was it to sight-see, or family obligation?
Now, now, smarty pants. I am baptised and confirmed in the Church of England, as is my daughter. Why are you surprised?
Methinks you're trying to tell us something Jack. God, it must be weeks and weeks since we last had a good old POTUS thread and it's only 2 weeks or less until the conventions start. For anyone interested, the best odds available for Trump are 4.4 with the Betfair Exchange, or 4.23 net of their 5% comm'n, which is way ahead of any of the major bookies.
Mr. Labour, whilst sad and newsworthy, there's no way that's more important to the UK than the NEC decision today, which has dramatic implications for the UK's political scene perhaps for decades to come.
Today, for the first tie, I realised that without thinking about it too deeply, I always assumed NEC meetings were held in Birmingham. I don't think I assumed they were held AT the NEC - not particularly efficient use of space - but the subliminal association was clearly too strong to overcome.
Thank GOD we've been saved from the disaster of an Eagle leadership.
If Corbyn wasn't on the ballot plenty of other non-Eagle candidates would have come forward, you know.
None of whom would've been any more electable or any more in tune with public opinion, except possibly Clive Lewis.
So why do you then only specify Eagle's candidacy as a 'disaster'? You seem to think that the Labour party is basically talentless and all Labour MPs are totally useless and incapable of inspiring confidence.
This is good news for those who want as clean a break as possible from the EU. No knicker-wetting Europhile across the despatch box from Theresa May if Jeremy wins.
So, will the new 'Democrats' party now be born and will the Lib Dems merge with it?
Incidentally it's good branding because of the subliminal link with the US Democrats who are always portrayed as the sane wing of US politics in the British media.
So, will the new 'Democrats' party now be born and will the Lib Dems merge with it?
Incidentally it's good branding because of the subliminal link with the US Democrats who are always portrayed as the sane wing of US politics in the British media.
So, will the new 'Democrats' party now be born and will the Lib Dems merge with it?
Incidentally it's good branding because of the subliminal link with the US Democrats who are always portrayed as the sane wing of US politics in the British media.
Probably. And quite a few Tories after the next election (when I have a feeling UKIP will gain a lot of seats and hold the balance of power in a Con/UKIP government)
We could essentially be creating a democrat/republican type set-up for the coming century.
I wonder what the last few weeks would have been like if REMAIN had won the referendum? The only thing that may have happened would have been the challenge to Corbyn (maybe)?
Thank GOD we've been saved from the disaster of an Eagle leadership.
If Corbyn wasn't on the ballot plenty of other non-Eagle candidates would have come forward, you know.
None of whom would've been any more electable or any more in tune with public opinion, except possibly Clive Lewis.
So why do you then only specify Eagle's candidacy as a 'disaster'? You seem to think that the Labour party is basically talentless and all Labour MPs are totally useless and incapable of inspiring confidence.
And what a joke of a leader who can`t command 51 MP`s + MEP`s.
I wonder what the last few weeks would have been like if REMAIN had won the referendum? The only thing that may have happened would have been the challenge to Corbyn (maybe)?
No, I think there would also have been at least a challenge to Cameron.
So, will the new 'Democrats' party now be born and will the Lib Dems merge with it?
Incidentally it's good branding because of the subliminal link with the US Democrats who are always portrayed as the sane wing of US politics in the British media.
The DemLibDems? NuLibDems? I need a drink.
It wil be NOTtheLib Dems and the Liberals. Already too many socialists in the Lib Dems.
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George Osborne struggled to do even that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11627746
Having said that, I'd deem it pretty unlikely that in 20 years, we will look at whatever the EU has evolved into and think "yeah, that looks like Britain (or whatever the UK has evolved into) would be a good fit". And in 40 years, it's almost inconceivable.
Hearing NEC to rule @jeremycorbyn has to get MP nominations. Throws Lab leadership wide open. @OwenSmith_MP bound to challenge @angelaeagle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_tenure
NEC voting now.
https://twitter.com/rosschawkins/status/752936690419892224
Interesting to see Brexit gradually disappearing from the news sites I follow. That's good news in its own right.
Corbyn is on the ballot - Labour rebels lose by four.
Corbyn is on the ballot - Labour rebels lose by four.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McCDWYgVyps
Let's be generous - outlier.
Terrible result for Labour. I hope the realignment can be swift, otherwise we may end up with a decade of effortless Conservative victories (and governments need holding to account).
Edited extra bit: softened the line against Peston. Been a shade intemperate of late.
Goodbye Labour.
For anyone interested, the best odds available for Trump are 4.4 with the Betfair Exchange, or 4.23 net of their 5% comm'n, which is way ahead of any of the major bookies.
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Yes, I'm sad.
Robert utterly useless Peston.
Apologies in advance if I got the spelling/grammar wrong.
Labour now needs to wither and die, fast!
Well subject to the votes of the selectorate.
Edit: looks like it's correct. Leads to problems like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5wxs49AuPg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy9_lfjQopU
But the current challengers don't seem a threat.
Has Eagle backed down yet?
Incidentally it's good branding because of the subliminal link with the US Democrats who are always portrayed as the sane wing of US politics in the British media.
Could the rules be interpreted either way?
Should another meeting of the NEC be called to decide?
We could essentially be creating a democrat/republican type set-up for the coming century.
The only thing that may have happened would have been the challenge to Corbyn (maybe)?
And what a joke of a leader who can`t command 51 MP`s + MEP`s.
I am not voting for the hard left.