If we do leave the EU, I'll be interested in how we deal with Ireland. It's very hard to imagine reinstating border crossings in Ireland so I assume that we'll need passport controls for people coming from Belfast. one struggles to imagine Ulster saying yes to that.
That's why Trumps coming on the 24th; if Leave win he's going to start building a wall on the NI border
I find his proposal to visit really odd.
It only makes sense (to me) as an attempt to cash in on a Leave win. But his visit & backing is quite likely to sway voters to Remain.
Is he banking on Americans not noticing if the side he backs, loses?
Yet Leavers are enthusiastic about risking an economic shock, even though we're still running a large deficit. One wonders how they think the widening deficit would be filled, given how hard it has proved so far.
Sound money goes out the window if it gets in the way of manically held beliefs.
Perhaps we just don't consider it a national calamity, if economic growth is 1.8% rather than 2.7% in any one year, as the National Institute assumes.
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
If we do leave the EU, I'll be interested in how we deal with Ireland. It's very hard to imagine reinstating border crossings in Ireland so I assume that we'll need passport controls for people coming from Belfast. one struggles to imagine Ulster saying yes to that.
That's why Trumps coming on the 24th; if Leave win he's going to start building a wall on the NI border
I find his proposal to visit really odd.
It only makes sense (to me) as an attempt to cash in on a Leave win. But his visit & backing is quite likely to sway voters to Remain.
Is he banking on Americans not noticing if the side he backs, loses?
Yet Leavers are enthusiastic about risking an economic shock, even though we're still running a large deficit. One wonders how they think the widening deficit would be filled, given how hard it has proved so far.
Sound money goes out the window if it gets in the way of manically held beliefs.
Faster growth and billions less in EU contributions combine to a great opportunity.
Even most Leavers accept that there will be a short term economic shock in the event of a Leave vote. If so, that will inevitably lead to the deficit widening and the national debt surging, long before any benefit from the Govenomics that only diehards believe in kick in.
I'd rather the government does what is better for long term growth than just the short term which I think you are very pessimistic about.
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Oh yes there damn well is (unless you are a large corporation that benefits from a system that makes you do all sort of expensive tests before you place something on the market, locking out smaller competitors
Does anyone agree with me that Sky and BBC are possessed with the death of Muhammad Ali. All day both have a 'breaking news' strap line of his death even though it was announced early this morning. As I dip into the news during the day it is all I am getting, wall to wall coverage. In my opinion it is a complete fail of their role to provide news
In general I think the media always go overboard with the death of anyone well-known - they have massive material in stock ready for anyone famous dying, and simply wheel it out. An additional factor at the moment may be that they feel that the public is fed up with referendum stuff - hell, even we nerds are struggling a bit.
When my Mum was a teenager she went on a school trip around the Times. They proceeded to pull a fully drafted obit of her Dad out of drawer. A very odd experience! (He lasted another 35 years...)
Crikey ..... your maternal grandfather must have been very distinguished indeed. I thought they only prepared such far in advance obits for Royalty and very, very senior politicians, statesmen, scientists, writers and suchlike. Do you think they might already have yours ready?
He'd done a few things of note - theologian, lawyer, writer, statesman etc. Not royalty though (although he was married to the Princess of Connemara).
My personal favourite is the Daily Mail front page photo of my paternal grandfather (from the 1930s, I think) with the headline "senior banker cycles to work"
As for me, I'm far too unimportant - we've largely retired from frontline politics to serve the public in other ways
Looks like it was 7.8%, but perhaps that's been revised up?
Shows the benefit of being in the EU and being able to attract US investment
Shows the benefit of running a lower tax, lower spend economy. Which the EU wants to stymie by attempting to force Ireland to increase its corporation tax rate.
Is that not because they are in the Euro-Zone? The UK of course is not
You think that Ireland is growing six to seven times faster than the rest of the Eurozone ... and that the UK is growing a third faster than the whole of the Eurozone because of the Eurozone? Interesting logic.
No...I was referring to the reasons for EU wanting to change the rates of CT - keep up
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Well, Boris wants to abolish the regulation that prevents sheep scrapie from entering the food chain...
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Oh yes there damn well is (unless you are a large corporation that benefits from a system that makes you do all sort of expensive tests before you place something on the market, locking out smaller competitors
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards!"
There is a table inside that gives the result according to how many people say they are absolutely certain (10/10) to vote. Leave leads it by 4; it's vote says it is more motivated.
Yet Leavers are enthusiastic about risking an economic shock, even though we're still running a large deficit. One wonders how they think the widening deficit would be filled, given how hard it has proved so far.
Sound money goes out the window if it gets in the way of manically held beliefs.
Perhaps we just don't consider it a national calamity, if economic growth is 1.8% rather than 2.7% in any one year, as the National Institute assumes.
Strange as it may seem to you.
Especially when most people's wages stagnate whatever the headline growth figure. Real lives are a million miles away from the macro economic data sets spouted by PPE wonks.
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Oh yes there damn well is (unless you are a large corporation that benefits from a system that makes you do all sort of expensive tests before you place something on the market, locking out smaller competitors
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards!"
Vote Remain for protecting Monsanto from market competition
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Oh yes there damn well is (unless you are a large corporation that benefits from a system that makes you do all sort of expensive tests before you place something on the market, locking out smaller competitors
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards!"
Correction, vote leave for proportionate safety standards that give british business a chance instead of it all being made in the far east by crooks who fake the tests and just stick ce labels on
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Oh yes there damn well is (unless you are a large corporation that benefits from a system that makes you do all sort of expensive tests before you place something on the market, locking out smaller competitors
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards!"
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards for sale in the UK. Those products that we want to sell to the EU will have to be tested and safe."
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
I wouldn't call it nonsense, but surely the need to advertise EU-wide for stuff with be an early casualty? So our organisations will be able to make their purchases from UK sources?
There is a table inside that gives the result according to how many people say they are absolutely certain (10/10) to vote. Leave leads it by 4; it's vote says it is more motivated.
Why not? This poll was done when UKIP's single biggest issue is front and centre.
So this number is not an indication of who would actually vote UKIP tomorrow in a GE, but who today, knowing that there won't be a GE tomorrow, feels safe saying/signalling that they would vote UKIP. I can certainly believe that number with the EU Ref campaign in full sway.
Does anyone agree with me that Sky and BBC are possessed with the death of Muhammad Ali. All day both have a 'breaking news' strap line of his death even though it was announced early this morning. As I dip into the news during the day it is all I am getting, wall to wall coverage. In my opinion it is a complete fail of their role to provide news
In general I think the media always go overboard with the death of anyone well-known - they have massive material in stock ready for anyone famous dying, and simply wheel it out. An additional factor at the moment may be that they feel that the public is fed up with referendum stuff - hell, even we nerds are struggling a bit.
When my Mum was a teenager she went on a school trip around the Times. They proceeded to pull a fully drafted obit of her Dad out of drawer. A very odd experience! (He lasted another 35 years...)
Crikey ..... your maternal grandfather must have been very distinguished indeed. I thought they only prepared such far in advance obits for Royalty and very, very senior politicians, statesmen, scientists, writers and suchlike. Do you think they might already have yours ready?
He'd done a few things of note - theologian, lawyer, writer, statesman etc. Not royalty though (although he was married to the Princess of Connemara).
My personal favourite is the Daily Mail front page photo of my paternal grandfather (from the 1930s, I think) with the headline "senior banker cycles to work"
As for me, I'm far too unimportant - we've largely retired from frontline politics to serve the public in other ways
Unusual for the Daily Mail to make such an egregious typo on their front page....
Yet Leavers are enthusiastic about risking an economic shock, even though we're still running a large deficit. One wonders how they think the widening deficit would be filled, given how hard it has proved so far.
Sound money goes out the window if it gets in the way of manically held beliefs.
Perhaps we just don't consider it a national calamity, if economic growth is 1.8% rather than 2.7% in any one year, as the National Institute assumes.
Strange as it may seem to you.
As fas as I can tell, 'Economic arguments' seem to be a new shorthand for 'I don't like the characters arguing we should leave'
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Oh yes there damn well is (unless you are a large corporation that benefits from a system that makes you do all sort of expensive tests before you place something on the market, locking out smaller competitors
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards!"
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards for sale in the UK. Those products that we want to sell to the EU will have to be tested and safe."
Yeah like the rules that prohibit sales of seeds that have been around hundreds of years unless you psy an expensive euro registration fee which makes it uneconomic for heritage varieties of vegetsbles becsuse agri busuness use F1 hybrids, wrecking seed diversity meaning risk of disease is higher and making it impossible tp get true breeding plants in some cases
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
I wouldn't call it nonsense, but surely the need to advertise EU-wide for stuff with be an early casualty? So our organisations will be able to make their purchases from UK sources?
(edited for Uk > UK)
Doesn't that only come into play for public procurement? I've never encountered such restrictions in the private sector.
Does anyone agree with me that Sky and BBC are possessed with the death of Muhammad Ali. All day both have a 'breaking news' strap line of his death even though it was announced early this morning. As I dip into the news during the day it is all I am getting, wall to wall coverage. In my opinion it is a complete fail of their role to provide news
In general I think the media always go overboard with the death of anyone well-known - they have massive material in stock ready for anyone famous dying, and simply wheel it out. An additional factor at the moment may be that they feel that the public is fed up with referendum stuff - hell, even we nerds are struggling a bit.
When my Mum was a teenager she went on a school trip around the Times. They proceeded to pull a fully drafted obit of her Dad out of drawer. A very odd experience! (He lasted another 35 years...)
Crikey ..... your maternal grandfather must have been very distinguished indeed. I thought they only prepared such far in advance obits for Royalty and very, very senior politicians, statesmen, scientists, writers and suchlike. Do you think they might already have yours ready?
He'd done a few things of note - theologian, lawyer, writer, statesman etc. Not royalty though (although he was married to the Princess of Connemara).
My personal favourite is the Daily Mail front page photo of my paternal grandfather (from the 1930s, I think) with the headline "senior banker cycles to work"
As for me, I'm far too unimportant - we've largely retired from frontline politics to serve the public in other ways
Unusual for the Daily Mail to make such an egregious typo on their front page....
I jest, of course.
You're right, of course. He wss only in his 30s , so it should have been "junior banker"...
Does anyone agree with me that Sky and BBC are possessed with the death of Muhammad Ali. All day both have a 'breaking news' strap line of his death even though it was announced early this morning. As I dip into the news during the day it is all I am getting, wall to wall coverage. In my opinion it is a complete fail of their role to provide news
In general I think the media always go overboard with the death of anyone well-known - they have massive material in stock ready for anyone famous dying, and simply wheel it out. An additional factor at the moment may be that they feel that the public is fed up with referendum stuff - hell, even we nerds are struggling a bit.
When my Mum was a teenager she went on a school trip around the Times. They proceeded to pull a fully drafted obit of her Dad out of drawer. A very odd experience! (He lasted another 35 years...)
Crikey ..... your maternal grandfather must have been very distinguished indeed. I thought they only prepared such far in advance obits for Royalty and very, very senior politicians, statesmen, scientists, writers and suchlike. Do you think they might already have yours ready?
He'd done a few things of note - theologian, lawyer, writer, statesman etc. Not royalty though (although he was married to the Princess of Connemara).
My personal favourite is the Daily Mail front page photo of my paternal grandfather (from the 1930s, I think) with the headline "senior banker cycles to work"
As for me, I'm far too unimportant - we've largely retired from frontline politics to serve the public in other ways
Unusual for the Daily Mail to make such an egregious typo on their front page....
I jest, of course.
You're right, of course. He wss only in his 30s , so it should have been "junior banker"...
'Yet Leavers are enthusiastic about risking an economic shock, even though we're still running a large deficit. One wonders how they think the widening deficit would be filled, given how hard it has proved so far.
Sound money goes out the window if it gets in the way of manically held beliefs.'
Remember all those 'experts' and the majority of economists told us we would only have 'sound money' if we joined the ERM ?
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Really? Quite a lot of it is unhelpful in particular to say the small PC manufacturer because building a PC out of CE tested parts is not enough you have to get the whole thing tested.
Bit of a pain if your making a 1 or 10 off given the costs of the tests, as a result less machines are made this way.
There isn't actually a good reason for it so it could go.
Nothing will go on day one but there is no reason that many could go in years 1, 2 & 3.
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Oh yes there damn well is (unless you are a large corporation that benefits from a system that makes you do all sort of expensive tests before you place something on the market, locking out smaller competitors
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards!"
Really? None? At all?
How about some sensible ones, not rafts of ones to keep small competition out.
There always seems to be a bunch of people who intrinsically think that more regulation must be good and less must be bad without considering that some can be good as long as it is the right sort of regulation.
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions will soon recover it.
"We will continue to sell to Europe!"
liberalisation of business from stifling EU conditions
These 2 statements are contradictory
No it is not 90% of uk businesses trade only within the UK. Liberating them from all the single market ce nonsense will reduce costs. Exports to EU will still need to jump through the ce hoops - if the companiesnthink it worth the candle and dont export to somewhere else we to a trade deal with instead.
So which 'CE nonsense' will we abolish on day one? Oh, none of it... And in fact we'll probably never abolish any of it at all as there isn't any reason to.
Oh yes there damn well is (unless you are a large corporation that benefits from a system that makes you do all sort of expensive tests before you place something on the market, locking out smaller competitors
"Vote Leave for untested products with no safety standards!"
Really? None? At all?
How about some sensible ones, not rafts of ones to keep small competition out.
There always seems to be a bunch of people who intrinsically think that more regulation must be good and less must be bad without considering that some can be good as long as it is the right sort of regulation.
I'd make a distinction between standards (what is in the sausage) and regulation (how does the sausage machine work). In the case of CE standards the primary benefit is that we know that stuff we import that is made in, say China, has to be of a certain quality, and by having common rules we make compliance and verification easier for everyone to achieve.
Does anyone agree with me that Sky and BBC are possessed with the death of Muhammad Ali. All day both have a 'breaking news' strap line of his death even though it was announced early this morning. As I dip into the news during the day it is all I am getting, wall to wall coverage. In my opinion it is a complete fail of their role to provide news
In general I think the media always go overboard with the death of anyone well-known - they have massive material in stock ready for anyone famous dying, and simply wheel it out. An additional factor at the moment may be that they feel that the public is fed up with referendum stuff - hell, even we nerds are struggling a bit.
When my Mum was a teenager she went on a school trip around the Times. They proceeded to pull a fully drafted obit of her Dad out of drawer. A very odd experience! (He lasted another 35 years...)
Crikey ..... your maternal grandfather must have been very distinguished indeed. I thought they only prepared such far in advance obits for Royalty and very, very senior politicians, statesmen, scientists, writers and suchlike. Do you think they might already have yours ready?
He'd done a few things of note - theologian, lawyer, writer, statesman etc. Not royalty though (although he was married to the Princess of Connemara).
My personal favourite is the Daily Mail front page photo of my paternal grandfather (from the 1930s, I think) with the headline "senior banker cycles to work"
As for me, I'm far too unimportant - we've largely retired from frontline politics to serve the public in other ways
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Strange as it may seem to you.
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Leave 52/Remain 48
Their 10/10 result last May was Con 37 Lab 33
My personal favourite is the Daily Mail front page photo of my paternal grandfather (from the 1930s, I think) with the headline "senior banker cycles to work"
As for me, I'm far too unimportant - we've largely retired from frontline politics to serve the public in other ways
(edited for Uk > UK)
So this number is not an indication of who would actually vote UKIP tomorrow in a GE, but who today, knowing that there won't be a GE tomorrow, feels safe saying/signalling that they would vote UKIP. I can certainly believe that number with the EU Ref campaign in full sway.
I jest, of course.
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http://europa.eu/youreurope/business/public-tenders/rules-procedures/index_en.htm
'Yet Leavers are enthusiastic about risking an economic shock, even though we're still running a large deficit. One wonders how they think the widening deficit would be filled, given how hard it has proved so far.
Sound money goes out the window if it gets in the way of manically held beliefs.'
Remember all those 'experts' and the majority of economists told us we would only have 'sound money' if we joined the ERM ?
That went well.
Bit of a pain if your making a 1 or 10 off given the costs of the tests, as a result less machines are made this way.
There isn't actually a good reason for it so it could go.
Nothing will go on day one but there is no reason that many could go in years 1, 2 & 3.
How about some sensible ones, not rafts of ones to keep small competition out.
There always seems to be a bunch of people who intrinsically think that more regulation must be good and less must be bad without considering that some can be good as long as it is the right sort of regulation.