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This piece isn’t an attempt to make John Rentoul’s QTWTAIN list, again, but The Daily Telegraph has reported that Ed Miliband is considering a return to Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow cabinet. The Telegraph report says
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The Daily Telegraph: "Tory MP Andrew Bridgen says David Cameron is 'finished' as party leader" "David Cameron and George Osborne 'too rich' to care about migration, claims cabinet minister Priti Patel"
They've already given their verdict on Mr Miliband once - not up to it - and will be irritated to have the same proposal made again
You're right in one sense, but that was before Corbyn was the option. Labourites possibly also believe that bringing back Ed would somehow enable his brother to return too.
They've already given their verdict on Mr Miliband once - not up to it - and will be irritated to have the same proposal made again
You're right in one sense, but that was before Corbyn was the option. Labourites possibly also believe that bringing back Ed would somehow enable his brother to return too.
The return of Ed is possible as some sort of weird unity candidate as part of a defenestration of Jezza , followed by another leadership contest.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
Ed Miliband took Labour down to their worst General Election defeat since 1931, to replace Corbyn who has taken them down further. An interesting proposition, but the Tories would have to split, Labour would have to be unite and regain Scotland to make this realistic.
If The Tories did split in June 2016, I'm unsure that Miliband would seen as a PM in waiting. It begs the question why did he resign so quickly in May 2015 and let Corbyn in.
'Insanity is doing the same thing twice in the expectation of a different result.'
Surely even Labour couldn't be so cretinous as to replace 'I lived in a million pound Shropshire mansion and went to a posh state school so I get ordinary people' Corbyn with 'I lived in a million pound London mansion and went to a posh state school so I get ordinary people and had Labour's third worst result in the age of universal suffrage' Miliband? I mean, whatever deal Osborne has cut with Beelzebub couldn't run to that. Could it? Or has Tim Farron got in on the act as well?
PS aren't you a bit harsh on dwarfs? More like the tallest pygmy shrew.
Ed Miliband took Labour down to their worst General Election defeat since 1931, to replace Corbyn who has taken them down further.
In terms of votes and seats it was better than 1983. In terms of votes, better than 2010. In terms of seats, better than 1987. So it was not the worst result since 1931 by any measure. However, it was their worst result in Scotland since 1900. It was also their third lowest vote share since 1928.
However you look at it, it was an absolutely terrible performance. Mind you, Labour appear determined to do even worse next time.
Tamara Cohen @tamcohen 5m5 minutes ago .@AndrewBridgenMP saying today that the PM is "finished" and would face a coup (needs 50 MPs) even if there's a narrow win for Remain #EUref
One thing this referendum has shown is that altruism isn't dead.
We have Ukip campaigning for Leave, an action that will render them all redundant.
And we also have the majority of MPs at Westminster and the devolved parliaments campaigning for Remain. If successful, an action which will render them all redundant, although on a longer timescale.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Tamara Cohen @tamcohen 5m5 minutes ago .@AndrewBridgenMP saying today that the PM is "finished" and would face a coup (needs 50 MPs) even if there's a narrow win for Remain #EUref
Bridgen opined the same in 2013. He is to political forecasting what Eric Pickles is to Slimming World - A complete dud.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Yes, not much talk of a brave new Britain engaging with the world in the next 3 weeks.
149 000 non EU migrants last year. Not much impact on stopping those with the new visa rules etc was there? On that alone the Tories have failed - and May at the Home Office most of all.
Assuming that some EU migrants are either needed, or the work that our Greek Doctors and Portuguese Nurses do is replaced by more non-EU migration, then after Brexit we should expect 200 000 to 250 000 new migrants each year.
Tamara Cohen @tamcohen 5m5 minutes ago .@AndrewBridgenMP saying today that the PM is "finished" and would face a coup (needs 50 MPs) even if there's a narrow win for Remain #EUref
What does he know ? It's one big happy family post EU ref and there will be rainbows and choirs of singing children.
As well as sharing the incredulous mirth of others regarding the prospect of Miliband 2, does he even want to be leader again? It's not that long ago he was slaughtered in the polls and resigned.
Corbyn thinking Miliband will help restore his credibility depends on the audience. With Labour? Maybe. With the public? No.
Dr. Foxinsox, I suspect may being relaxed about the increasing use of Sharia Law may be a more serious (in PR terms) problem for her, although you're quite right that (disregarding EU migration) the government, and her specifically, have utterly failed to even approach the possibility of coming close to hitting their targets.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
As a whole the Right liberal minority don't publicly condemn people for their beliefs. Thye may disagree and try to persuade them of their error, but they don't yell at them and try to shut down the argument
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
As a whole the Right liberal minority don't publicly condemn people for their beliefs. Thye may disagree and try to persuade them of their error, but they don't yell at them and try to shut down the argument
Indeed. The argument should be able to be made but there is a difference between it being one of multiple arguments and "immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign."
As well as sharing the incredulous mirth of others regarding the prospect of Miliband 2, does he even want to be leader again? It's not that long ago he was slaughtered in the polls and resigned.
Corbyn thinking Miliband will help restore his credibility depends on the audience. With Labour? Maybe. With the public? No.
Why would he need credibility with Labour? They still love him because he gives them a lovely warm feeling of moral superiority. The minor detail that everyone else regards him with loathing and contempt eludes them, because they have lost the courage or desire to talk to people who disagree with them. After all, we couldn't find out that such moral and caring people are wrong on anything, could we?
That said, Miliband would still be a better option than Watson.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Yes, not much talk of a brave new Britain engaging with the world in the next 3 weeks.
149 000 non EU migrants last year. Not much impact on stopping those with the new visa rules etc was there? On that alone the Tories have failed - and May at the Home Office most of all.
Assuming that some EU migrants are either needed, or the work that our Greek Doctors and Portuguese Nurses do is replaced by more non-EU migration, then after Brexit we should expect 200 000 to 250 000 new migrants each year.
The country has been forbidden from talking about immigration for some time for all the reasons we know.
EURef is allowing that debate to take place.
It would be a shame if the legitimate debate about immigration ended up with the UK bringing down the temple around us by leaving the EU.
REMAIN is relying for its biggest vote from one group, Labour voters. Its campaign has been fronted by Cameron and Osborne, two people that are amongst the worst people to attract Labour voters. If we view this from the perspective of Labour working class voters, they are being asked to also vote for:- 1. More immigration 2. Keep Cameron and Osborne in office It is just not a good political situation for REMAIN.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
Tamara Cohen @tamcohen 5m5 minutes ago .@AndrewBridgenMP saying today that the PM is "finished" and would face a coup (needs 50 MPs) even if there's a narrow win for Remain #EUref
Bridgen opined the same in 2013. He is to political forecasting what Eric Pickles is to Slimming World - A complete dud.
What vote split and turnout does your model have for current or GE2015, Labour voters at the referendum?
Tamara Cohen @tamcohen 5m5 minutes ago .@AndrewBridgenMP saying today that the PM is "finished" and would face a coup (needs 50 MPs) even if there's a narrow win for Remain #EUref
What does he know ? It's one big happy family post EU ref and there will be rainbows and choirs of singing children.
Well you're right in the question at least. Wrong before, wrong again.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
We have seen LEAVE get a minimum split (ignoring dont know) of 40+per cent. REMAIN has been propped up with soft Labour voters. Its working class supporters is a very large block of votes that could either vote for LEAVE or abstain.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
If you're explaining, you're losing
Is Boris is still in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants?
They've already given their verdict on Mr Miliband once - not up to it - and will be irritated to have the same proposal made again
You're right in one sense, but that was before Corbyn was the option. Labourites possibly also believe that bringing back Ed would somehow enable his brother to return too.
Eccentric suggestion of the day? It would make it significantly less likely that David would return. What it would do would be reinforce the impression that the PLP is rallying behind Corbyn. And there's also the point that Ed actually knows the environment brief - there is something to be said for having (shadow) ministers who have a genuine interest in their subjects.
Note that TSE isn't predicting it would happen, just that it would start to look more likely, making it a good trading bet. That might well be true, but you'd probably need to wait to 2020 or later to execute it.
Incidentally, there's a good, balanced piece on the Chakrabarti anti-Semitism enquiry where you might not expect it, wrestling with the question of when criticism of Israel shares into anti-semitism:
Tamara Cohen @tamcohen 5m5 minutes ago .@AndrewBridgenMP saying today that the PM is "finished" and would face a coup (needs 50 MPs) even if there's a narrow win for Remain #EUref
Bridgen opined the same in 2013. He is to political forecasting what Eric Pickles is to Slimming World - A complete dud.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
If you're explaining, you're losing
Is Boris is still in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants?
#AskingForAFriend
Your friend would seem to be the only one that cares. People are not voting of what Boris thinks, strangely enough, they are voting on what they themselves think... I know that thinking is frowned upon in today's EU.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
As a whole the Right liberal minority don't publicly condemn people for their beliefs. Thye may disagree and try to persuade them of their error, but they don't yell at them and try to shut down the argument
Indeed. The argument should be able to be made but there is a difference between it being one of multiple arguments and "immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign."
There will be - and are - multiple arguments going on. Just the media doesn't chose to report on all of them.
For instance the concerns from the Art industry that I trailed a few days ago got a bit of coverage but have now disappeared from the news cycle. They are an important, high value industry - just not of much interest to journalists looking for copy
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
If you're explaining, you're losing
I think it's legitimate to explain when hypocritical, opportunist tossers are being hypocritical and opportunist.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Many they have information that when taking other factors into consideration, immigration swinging it for more than 30%. They might not be a core "anti immigration" voter and Faragist, but they might still feel it matters, as apparently the PM did when he promised 10s of thousands in his contract.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
If you're explaining, you're losing
Is Boris is still in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants?
#AskingForAFriend
Do you propose rounding them up and kicking them out? And how will you achieve that?
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
We have seen LEAVE get a minimum split (ignoring dont know) of 40+per cent. REMAIN has been propped up with soft Labour voters. Its working class supporters is a very large block of votes that could either vote for LEAVE or abstain.
Which is why I understand making immigration one prong of the argument. I disagree but respectfully see it as a part of the coalition needed to get to over 50%.
To solely campaign on that for the next few weeks to the exclusion of anything else is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Looking back it seems if Remain does win as expected then Obama's intervention could have been critical. Not in isolation but until then Leave had some great lines about how we would be better off economically as an nation open to trading to the whole global economy rather than tied to a small sclerotic and shrinking part of it. After Obama though Leave seems to have given up on winning the economic argument. That is a tragedy.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
If you're explaining, you're losing
I think it's legitimate to explain when hypocritical, opportunist tossers are being hypocritical and opportunist.
I didn't it wasn't legitimate - I believe in free speech. Just that it won't work.
"And there's also the point that Ed actually knows the environment brief."
He certainly does. I retired in 2010 and with my small lump sum, I bought solar panels because of Ed's largesse. The best deal I've ever done in my life. Money for old rope, as they say. They pay me even if I use all the electricity myself. Index-linked and going up with inflation for another twenty years.
He may have known the environment brief, but he has no idea about economics. To all UK taxpayers and to Ed, I say ... Cheers and thanks a lot.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Many they have information that when taking other factors into consideration, immigration swinging it for more than 30%. They might not be a core "anti immigration" voter and Faragist, but they might still feel it matters, as apparently the PM did when he promised 10s of thousands in his contract.
More than 3 in 4 may want a reduction if they can have their cake and eat it too. Less than 50% want a reduction over all other concerns including but not limited to the economy. Leave need to win more than just the immigration argument.
It would be a shame if the legitimate debate about immigration ended up with the UK bringing down the temple around us by leaving the EU.
It would be a shame indeed
But leaving the EU isn't going to bring the temple down.
We'll do just fine.
We'll hang on, right?
Not sure. The number of ABs who I meet - admittedly mainly from the older families - who are thinking hard about leave does surprise me. I've only met one person enthusiatically for 'Remain' and even that was driven by fear.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
If you're explaining, you're losing
I think it's legitimate to explain when hypocritical, opportunist tossers are being hypocritical and opportunist.
I think I'm going to break a rib laughing were Remain to win, especially comfortably, after Leave had spent the last month of the campaign banging on about immigration.
Would mean the immigration obsessives are out of touch with the country, after spending years telling us liberal metropolitan elite types that we were the ones out of touch.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Many they have information that when taking other factors into consideration, immigration swinging it for more than 30%. They might not be a core "anti immigration" voter and Faragist, but they might still feel it matters, as apparently the PM did when he promised 10s of thousands in his contract.
More than 3 in 4 may want a reduction if they can have their cake and eat it too. Less than 50% want a reduction over all other concerns including but not limited to the economy. Leave need to win more than just the immigration argument.
Your speculation vs mine. We will know what really counts in about three weeks.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
If you're explaining, you're losing
I think it's legitimate to explain when hypocritical, opportunist tossers are being hypocritical and opportunist.
I think I'm going to break a rib laughing were Remain to win, especially comfortably, after Leave had spent the last month of the campaign banging on about immigration.
Would mean the immigration obsessives are out of touch with the country, after spending years telling us liberal metropolitan elite types that we were the ones out of touch.
On the other hand if Leave win, a period of quiet reflection might be in order
Morning. What on Earth is the question for Labour, to which the answer is Ed Miliband? There's a quote somewhere about doing the same thing again and expecting a different result.
Quite a few Tories lining up for a go at the PM in today's papers, one gets the feeling that if the referendum result is any closer than 60:40 he's going to be a lame duck in Parliament, unable to pass anything except spending cuts.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
"And there's also the point that Ed actually knows the environment brief."
He certainly does. I retired in 2010 and with my small lump sum, I bought solar panels because of Ed's largesse. The best deal I've ever done in my life. Money for old rope, as they say. They pay me even if I use all the electricity myself. Index-linked and going up with inflation for another twenty years.
He may have known the environment brief, but he has no idea about economics. To all UK taxpayers and to Ed, I say ... Cheers and thanks a lot.
The previous owner of my house also got solar panels on the back of Miliband's largesse. However, most unfortunately they did it through one of these dodgy companies. So I get no actual money and when it is generating income for them, I am not in the house to benefit from free power. So Miliband's scheme has led to somebody becoming rich because he already had money, without really benefitting the householder whose energy use it is supposed to be supporting.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
If you're explaining, you're losing
I think it's legitimate to explain when hypocritical, opportunist tossers are being hypocritical and opportunist.
I think I'm going to break a rib laughing were Remain to win, especially comfortably, after Leave had spent the last month of the campaign banging on about immigration.
Would mean the immigration obsessives are out of touch with the country, after spending years telling us liberal metropolitan elite types that we were the ones out of touch.
On the other hand if Leave win, a period of quiet reflection might be in order
F1 betting tip: No safety car, currently 8 with Betfair.
The two GP2 races on Friday and yesterday didn't feature one, the Monégasque marshals are the best in the world and managed to clear a dozen wrecked cars during the two races under the VSC. It seems that the organisers won't deploy the SC unless they really need to, so a big first corner shunt or if they need to send rescue or medical care onto the track. Caveat: it might rain.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Yes, not much talk of a brave new Britain engaging with the world in the next 3 weeks.
149 000 non EU migrants last year. Not much impact on stopping those with the new visa rules etc was there? On that alone the Tories have failed - and May at the Home Office most of all.
Assuming that some EU migrants are either needed, or the work that our Greek Doctors and Portuguese Nurses do is replaced by more non-EU migration, then after Brexit we should expect 200 000 to 250 000 new migrants each year.
Half of all the visas issued to non-EEA are students, mostly fee paying,
Asylum applications have also bumped up 30% this year.
Mr. Sandpit, that's an interesting observation about the VSC. My concern would be the rain. Race is going to be around two hours, and the forecast I checked (yesterday evening) suggested a very strong chance of rain.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
I totally agree. I'm not a Greeny, I'm a Greedy, but I'm also a taxpayer. It was my chance to recoup something, The whole idea was bonkers, but if the Government was determined to squander taxpayers money, I'll join the queue for the handout.
The timing was perfect. Do I go on a cruise, or do I grab free money. I know, I'll do the latter and have the cruise in the future.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
Tough night ?
For me? Yeah. This PB thread was written in a nightclub whilst I was attempting to do the funky chicken.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
Tough night ?
For me? Yeah. This PB thread was written in a nightclub whilst I was attempting to do the funky chicken.
I'm going to bed now.
Probably best. youre sounding uncharacteristically bad humoured.
Mr. Sandpit, that's an interesting observation about the VSC. My concern would be the rain. Race is going to be around two hours, and the forecast I checked (yesterday evening) suggested a very strong chance of rain.
Hmm. Interesting tip, though.
I thought that would make you think! Yes there's a chance of some rain during the race, but unless there's a downpour or a big shunt they won't bring the SC out. I watched both GP2 races precisely to think of this bet, it would have happened last year too but when young Versappen hit the barrier hard at Ste. Devote they sent a medical car for him. If they all get through the first lap unscathed it should really be about evens.
It really does make one wonder what Peterborough has done to the gods to deserve such a pair of MP's over the past two decades as Helen Clark and Stewart Jackson.
Surely it must have been something so abominable and egregious that the poor folk of that pitiable constituency are so blighted, a toxic wasteland such as to be considered the Chernobyl of British political life.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
Does 'Bad Immigration figures' mean too many? Funny! I didn't think you were Pro Leave.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
Does 'Bad Immigration figures' mean too many? Funny! I didn't think you were Pro Leave.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
Tough night ?
For me? Yeah. This PB thread was written in a nightclub whilst I was attempting to do the funky chicken.
I'm going to bed now.
Probably best. youre sounding uncharacteristically bad humoured.
That's my job and I dont want you muscling in.
I'm in great humour, you should have heard my chat up line last night.
They've already given their verdict on Mr Miliband once - not up to it - and will be irritated to have the same proposal made again
You're right in one sense, but that was before Corbyn was the option. Labourites possibly also believe that bringing back Ed would somehow enable his brother to return too.
Eccentric suggestion of the day? It would make it significantly less likely that David would return. What it would do would be reinforce the impression that the PLP is rallying behind Corbyn. And there's also the point that Ed actually knows the environment brief - there is something to be said for having (shadow) ministers who have a genuine interest in their subjects.
Note that TSE isn't predicting it would happen, just that it would start to look more likely, making it a good trading bet. That might well be true, but you'd probably need to wait to 2020 or later to execute it.
Incidentally, there's a good, balanced piece on the Chakrabarti anti-Semitism enquiry where you might not expect it, wrestling with the question of when criticism of Israel shares into anti-semitism:
They're surely right to say that the Inquiry will need good luck. Which it won't get. Just because Labour doesn't want to choose between the Jewish vote and the Muslim vote doesn't mean it won't have to. Class politics is finished: the politics of identity - with its despite of reason, as Indigo earlier reminded us - is upon us.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
Tough night ?
For me? Yeah. This PB thread was written in a nightclub whilst I was attempting to do the funky chicken.
I'm going to bed now.
Probably best. youre sounding uncharacteristically bad humoured.
That's my job and I dont want you muscling in.
I'm in great humour, you should have heard my chat up line last night.
Obviously not suitable before the lagershed
Did it involve melted chocolate, SamCam and a salami substitute ?
Mr. Sandpit, the rain's a big if, though. That's something else that made betting especially difficult. It could rain throughout. Might even have a safety car start.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
Tough night ?
For me? Yeah. This PB thread was written in a nightclub whilst I was attempting to do the funky chicken.
I'm going to bed now.
Probably best. youre sounding uncharacteristically bad humoured.
That's my job and I dont want you muscling in.
I'm in great humour, you should have heard my chat up line last night.
Obviously not suitable before the lagershed
Did it involve melted chocolate, SamCam and a salami substitute ?
No. It involved asking someone if she had any Yorkshire in her, if not, would she like some.
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
In fairness, a few of us know of Andrew Bridgen, but General Boles is some anonymous internet blogger who I've never bothered to read. And I expect Andrew Bridgen has never heard of me, completing the circle. We can all play that game.
The Sunday Times: Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ...... Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
Expect the metropolitan elite both in the media and here to go into a tizzy about it and run around calling everyone a RAAAACCCCCIIIST, the voters largely to disagree with them but keep their own counsel.
When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
What about the Right liberal minority?
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Well I'm sure these past quotes won't be mentioned. No sir.
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
Response: "Well if he had kept his promise to get immigration down...but it's not possible in the EU...Leave!"
Those quotes I believe were after some bad immigration figures were released
Does 'Bad Immigration figures' mean too many? Funny! I didn't think you were Pro Leave.
No. Bad as in relative to the PM's pledge
The PMs pledge is meaningless when there's 50% youth unemployment in parts of Europe and such widespread wage disparity that professionals in some EU countries can earn more working for minimum wage in the UK than as lawyers and accountants in their home countries. Also he can't stop arranged marriages from the sub continent thanks to European judges.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
Tough night ?
For me? Yeah. This PB thread was written in a nightclub whilst I was attempting to do the funky chicken.
I'm going to bed now.
Probably best. youre sounding uncharacteristically bad humoured.
That's my job and I dont want you muscling in.
I'm in great humour, you should have heard my chat up line last night.
Obviously not suitable before the lagershed
Did it involve melted chocolate, SamCam and a salami substitute ?
No. It involved asking someone if she had any Yorkshire in her, if not, would she like some.
Shouldn't that be "he". I understand your Yorkie bars arent for girls.
@JananGanesh: Imagine getting to age 51 and still being Andrew Bridgen.
Andrew Bridgen together with Stewart Jackass (late of this parish) are a brace of Conservative MP's for whom the public should enjoy an open season - 1st January - 31st December.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
General Boles sums it up nicely
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
Tough night ?
For me? Yeah. This PB thread was written in a nightclub whilst I was attempting to do the funky chicken.
I'm going to bed now.
Probably best. youre sounding uncharacteristically bad humoured.
That's my job and I dont want you muscling in.
I'm in great humour, you should have heard my chat up line last night.
Obviously not suitable before the lagershed
Did it involve melted chocolate, SamCam and a salami substitute ?
No. It involved asking someone if she had any Yorkshire in her, if not, would she like some.
Shouldn't that be "he". I understand your Yorkie bars arent for girls.
Mr. Sandpit, the rain's a big if, though. That's something else that made betting especially difficult. It could rain throughout. Might even have a safety car start.
Odds are hefty, though.
Edited extra bit: decided to put a small sum on.
Good luck! I'm on for an Ayrton. Should be a good race with Ricciardo at the front on a different strategy, assuming it stays dry that is. The Sky coverage starts 90 mins before the race by the way, will give an idea of the weather. It's currently cloudy but not raining.
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
It's been of the the funniest aspects of this campaign that PB Tories on the LEAVE side have recoiled in horror at the PM employing the same tactics to win this campaign that he did in the AV and SINDY referendums and 2015 General Election.
They cheered Cameron to the rafters then. No praise was too high, no amount of gratitude was too much and no accolade unworthy. Cameron had seen off voting reform, Salmond's independence threat, Ed and Nick in short measure and delivered a totally unexpected majority government. And more, he provided the EU referendum they craved.
But now it's Boo, Hiss. Dave the EU devil incarnate is the panto villain par excellence.
I get the point of trying to preemptively head off a purge but if Remain wins, I'm having a hard time seeing the majority of the Tory parliamentary party voting to ditch the leader who just proved he has the voters on his side, especially since he'll be going soon anyhow. In which case they make their move, Cameron beats them and has a perfect excuse to take revenge on the rebels.
I get the point of trying to preemptively head off a purge but if Remain wins, I'm having a hard time seeing the majority of the Tory parliamentary party voting to ditch the leader who just proved he has the voters on his side, especially since he'll be going soon anyhow. In which case they make their move, Cameron beats them and has a perfect excuse to take revenge on the rebels.
I'm wondering how a new Tory leader and "Leave supporter" is going to address immigration at the next election, given that they have basically said that they can't control it. Perhaps they might pledge another referendum...
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(Skybet also have Gordon Brown and Tony Blair on offer at the same odds!)
"Tory MP Andrew Bridgen says David Cameron is 'finished' as party leader"
"David Cameron and George Osborne 'too rich' to care about migration, claims cabinet minister Priti Patel"
Expect plenty more of this.
They've already given their verdict on Mr Miliband once - not up to it - and will be irritated to have the same proposal made again
As long as we can have the #edstone back too!
Boris and Gove lash Cameron on immigration ......
Letter accuses PM of ‘corroding public trust’
Expect LEAVE to concentrate on immigration, immigration, immigration non-stop for the final three weeks of the referendum campaign.
http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1968/laughter
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When the Left Liberal progressive minority go off on one about people complaining about immigration, the bulk of the country will roll their eyes and get on with life... until they vote.
If The Tories did split in June 2016, I'm unsure that Miliband would seen as a PM in waiting. It begs the question why did he resign so quickly in May 2015 and let Corbyn in.
'Insanity is doing the same thing twice in the expectation of a different result.'
Surely even Labour couldn't be so cretinous as to replace 'I lived in a million pound Shropshire mansion and went to a posh state school so I get ordinary people' Corbyn with 'I lived in a million pound London mansion and went to a posh state school so I get ordinary people and had Labour's third worst result in the age of universal suffrage' Miliband? I mean, whatever deal Osborne has cut with Beelzebub couldn't run to that. Could it? Or has Tim Farron got in on the act as well?
PS aren't you a bit harsh on dwarfs? More like the tallest pygmy shrew.
However you look at it, it was an absolutely terrible performance. Mind you, Labour appear determined to do even worse next time.
.@AndrewBridgenMP saying today that the PM is "finished" and would face a coup (needs 50 MPs) even if there's a narrow win for Remain #EUref
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We have Ukip campaigning for Leave, an action that will render them all redundant.
And we also have the majority of MPs at Westminster and the devolved parliaments campaigning for Remain. If successful, an action which will render them all redundant, although on a longer timescale.
Three cheers for them all.
Not to say it's right or wrong but it's what will win it for them if they win.
I thought the whole idea of Vote Leave getting the nod was to attract more than just the Faragist anti immigration core vote 30%
Gove 2013: "The PM has struck exactly the right note on migration"
Boris 2013: "I’m the only politician willing to say he’s pro-immigration"
149 000 non EU migrants last year. Not much impact on stopping those with the new visa rules etc was there? On that alone the Tories have failed - and May at the Home Office most of all.
Assuming that some EU migrants are either needed, or the work that our Greek Doctors and Portuguese Nurses do is replaced by more non-EU migration, then after Brexit we should expect 200 000 to 250 000 new migrants each year.
As well as sharing the incredulous mirth of others regarding the prospect of Miliband 2, does he even want to be leader again? It's not that long ago he was slaughtered in the polls and resigned.
Corbyn thinking Miliband will help restore his credibility depends on the audience. With Labour? Maybe. With the public? No.
That said, Miliband would still be a better option than Watson.
EURef is allowing that debate to take place.
It would be a shame if the legitimate debate about immigration ended up with the UK bringing down the temple around us by leaving the EU.
If we view this from the perspective of Labour working class voters, they are being asked to also vote for:-
1. More immigration
2. Keep Cameron and Osborne in office
It is just not a good political situation for REMAIN.
Not to excuse the promise, that said.
Labour will either regain its sanity or morph into the 'Real SWP'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36407562
#AskingForAFriend
Note that TSE isn't predicting it would happen, just that it would start to look more likely, making it a good trading bet. That might well be true, but you'd probably need to wait to 2020 or later to execute it.
Incidentally, there's a good, balanced piece on the Chakrabarti anti-Semitism enquiry where you might not expect it, wrestling with the question of when criticism of Israel shares into anti-semitism:
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-8995-Unravelling-the-charge-of-Labour-Party-anti-semitism#.V0qUF3n2apo
For instance the concerns from the Art industry that I trailed a few days ago got a bit of coverage but have now disappeared from the news cycle. They are an important, high value industry - just not of much interest to journalists looking for copy
But leaving the EU isn't going to bring the temple down.
We'll do just fine.
http://www.natcen.ac.uk/news-media/press-releases/2014/january/more-than-3-in-4-want-reduction-in-immigration/
#PracticalRealitiesOfLife
To solely campaign on that for the next few weeks to the exclusion of anything else is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Looking back it seems if Remain does win as expected then Obama's intervention could have been critical. Not in isolation but until then Leave had some great lines about how we would be better off economically as an nation open to trading to the whole global economy rather than tied to a small sclerotic and shrinking part of it. After Obama though Leave seems to have given up on winning the economic argument. That is a tragedy.
"And there's also the point that Ed actually knows the environment brief."
He certainly does. I retired in 2010 and with my small lump sum, I bought solar panels because of Ed's largesse. The best deal I've ever done in my life. Money for old rope, as they say. They pay me even if I use all the electricity myself. Index-linked and going up with inflation for another twenty years.
He may have known the environment brief, but he has no idea about economics. To all UK taxpayers and to Ed, I say ... Cheers and thanks a lot.
"Is this Ed Miliband’s route back to the Labour leadership?"
Cheers Mr Eagle, best Sunday morning laugh out loud for quite a while.
Would mean the immigration obsessives are out of touch with the country, after spending years telling us liberal metropolitan elite types that we were the ones out of touch.
Quite a few Tories lining up for a go at the PM in today's papers, one gets the feeling that if the referendum result is any closer than 60:40 he's going to be a lame duck in Parliament, unable to pass anything except spending cuts.
Although to be fair the latter could hardly be termed sport as he is such a total dullard he makes makes Bridgen appear Churchillian in political acumen.
That's a really good use of taxpayer funds...
The two GP2 races on Friday and yesterday didn't feature one, the Monégasque marshals are the best in the world and managed to clear a dozen wrecked cars during the two races under the VSC. It seems that the organisers won't deploy the SC unless they really need to, so a big first corner shunt or if they need to send rescue or medical care onto the track. Caveat: it might rain.
Who the fuck is Andrew Bridgen?
Ah diddums, did the nasty man hurt your feelings during the #EUref?
You're like the fucking Lib Dems, shocked to discover the PM fights to win and exactly how few people care about your obsession
Asylum applications have also bumped up 30% this year.
Hmm. Interesting tip, though.
"That's a really good use of taxpayer funds... "
I totally agree. I'm not a Greeny, I'm a Greedy, but I'm also a taxpayer. It was my chance to recoup something, The whole idea was bonkers, but if the Government was determined to squander taxpayers money, I'll join the queue for the handout.
The timing was perfect. Do I go on a cruise, or do I grab free money. I know, I'll do the latter and have the cruise in the future.
I'm going to bed now.
That's my job and I dont want you muscling in.
Surely it must have been something so abominable and egregious that the poor folk of that pitiable constituency are so blighted, a toxic wasteland such as to be considered the Chernobyl of British political life.
Pray for them this Sunday ....
Obviously not suitable before the lagershed
Odds are hefty, though.
Edited extra bit: decided to put a small sum on.
Which does raise some questions.
Poll shows 88% of 600 experts fear long-term fall in GDP if UK leaves single market, and 82% are alarmed over impact on household income
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron
They cheered Cameron to the rafters then. No praise was too high, no amount of gratitude was too much and no accolade unworthy. Cameron had seen off voting reform, Salmond's independence threat, Ed and Nick in short measure and delivered a totally unexpected majority government. And more, he provided the EU referendum they craved.
But now it's Boo, Hiss. Dave the EU devil incarnate is the panto villain par excellence.
He's behind you .....
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7181963/Brexiters-plan-shootout-with-David-Cameron-after-Referendum.html
I get the point of trying to preemptively head off a purge but if Remain wins, I'm having a hard time seeing the majority of the Tory parliamentary party voting to ditch the leader who just proved he has the voters on his side, especially since he'll be going soon anyhow. In which case they make their move, Cameron beats them and has a perfect excuse to take revenge on the rebels.