It's pretty poor all round. Lots of shouting and interrupting. I guess it's what happens when people feel so strongly about an issue.
I think David Davis and Caroline Lucas are doing quite well at putting their sides of the argument across in a persuasive way. Ed on the other hand has seemed a bit too indignant that anyone could possibly have a different view to him.
Steve Hilton really irks me, but I can't put my finger on why.
I've turned off. Steve Hilton talks slowly, sounds clever, but makes no sense.
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Austalia has it right.
All illegals go to a place outside continental europe and are processed there.
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
How about, as an alternative, "we will pick you up, return you to the port from which departed from. next time you might not be so lucky."
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
If we do vote to Leave it will be intetesting to see how much Boris & Co will give up for the City. Will they really sign off on an end to passporting?
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
How about, as an alternative, "we will pick you up, return you to the port from which departed from. next time you might not be so lucky."
How about saying we will torpedo the terrorists' tubs that don't sink of their own accord?
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
It's pretty poor all round. Lots of shouting and interrupting. I guess it's what happens when people feel so strongly about an issue.
I think David Davis and Caroline Lucas are doing quite well at putting their sides of the argument across in a persuasive way. Ed on the other hand has seemed a bit too indignant that anyone could possibly have a different view to him.
Steve Hilton really irks me, but I can't put my finger on why.
He's a complete phoney who's tring to sell a book. Someone just emailed me saying the same but without the question at the end and in rather stronger terms
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
yes but nobodys stopping you giving directly to a cause you like, And you get tax rebates for it.
I do give. But it only works if a lot of people do it. We need to pool resources. And in our FPTP country Brexit will merely deliver more control to the few hundred thousand voters who already have more power than the rest of us.
Form your own organisation, then, or join an existing one.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
It's pretty poor all round. Lots of shouting and interrupting. I guess it's what happens when people feel so strongly about an issue.
... Steve Hilton really irks me, but I can't put my finger on why.
Could it be that you don't agree with him?
He's a complete phoney who's tring to sell a book. Someone just emailed me saying the same but without the question at the end and in rather stronger terms
The trouble with Steve Hilton, as far as I can see, is he articulates and represents a view that is essentially fairly alien to the British. He's a West Coast USA libertarian who believes in the liberating triumph of digital technology and in smashing down all the institutions that get in the way of him doing stuff (e.g. the civil service, EU officials, tax inspectors, park keepers and so on).
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
True. I say we should stop rescuing all people at sea or anywhere else for that matter when we didn't force them to go. Let people burn in their houses too.
I see that despite all the problems in France they are currently supplying us with nearly 2GW of electricity, pretty much the maximum the cable can cope with. Makes reports of 16 out of 19 French nuclear stations shut down by the strikes seem a bit dubious.
As an aside that 2gw is just over 7% of our current demand, wind is providing 0.75gw or a little under 3%.
Trump :"Obama doesn't know what he's talking about. It'll be good if foreign countries are a little bit nervous about Trump. Perhaps we won't then be thought of as the Stupid People..."
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
You must have bloody good eyesight to see the Mediterranean from anywhere in the UK.
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
You must have bloody good eyesight to see the Mediterranean from anywhere in the UK.
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
yes but nobodys stopping you giving directly to a cause you like, And you get tax rebates for it.
I do give. But it only works if a lot of people do it. We need to pool resources. And in our FPTP country Brexit will merely deliver more control to the few hundred thousand voters who already have more power than the rest of us.
Form your own organisation, then, or join an existing one.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
Too right. I am disgusting.
The thing I hate about me most is I helped found a company that now employs over 20 people and has a turnover of more than £5 million. What a lazy, selfish scumbag I am.
It's pretty poor all round. Lots of shouting and interrupting. I guess it's what happens when people feel so strongly about an issue.
I think David Davis and Caroline Lucas are doing quite well at putting their sides of the argument across in a persuasive way. Ed on the other hand has seemed a bit too indignant that anyone could possibly have a different view to him.
Steve Hilton really irks me, but I can't put my finger on why.
He's a complete phoney who's tring to sell a book. Someone just emailed me saying the same but without the question at the end and in rather stronger terms
He is...but his views aren't new...he has been banging on about this stuff for years. He has given long detailed accounts on Freakonomics and Joe Rogan. Some of it is bonkers, some of it is interesting.
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
I am not sure that because you live in what is, currently, a safe Conservative seat that democracy doesn't matter is really a valid argument.
Oh, yes!!! I´d like a bit of that democracy, if you please, Mr Llama. What we have at present is a rigged system, which is easily bought by the wealthy and the corrupt.
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
yes but nobodys stopping you giving directly to a cause you like, And you get tax rebates for it.
I do give. But it only works if a lot of people do it. We need to pool resources. And in our FPTP country Brexit will merely deliver more control to the few hundred thousand voters who already have more power than the rest of us.
Form your own organisation, then, or join an existing one.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
Too right. I am disgusting.
The thing I hate about me most is I helped found a company that now employs over 20 people and has a turnover of more than £5 million. What a lazy, selfish scumbag I am.
Trump: "I'm going to win Michigan. I'm going to bring back the car industry there, and there's no other candidate who can do that... I'm putting 15 states into play that I think I can win. Washington... Virginia... Florida..."
It's pretty poor all round. Lots of shouting and interrupting. I guess it's what happens when people feel so strongly about an issue.
... Steve Hilton really irks me, but I can't put my finger on why.
Could it be that you don't agree with him?
He's a complete phoney who's tring to sell a book. Someone just emailed me saying the same but without the question at the end and in rather stronger terms
The trouble with Steve Hilton, as far as I can see, is he articulates and represents a view that is essentially fairly alien to the British. He's a West Coast USA libertarian who believes in the liberating triumph of digital technology and in smashing down all the institutions that get in the way of him doing stuff (e.g. the civil service, EU officials, tax inspectors, park keepers and so on).
That's about it. His wife is vice president of uber but at the moment he's just selling a book
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
You must have bloody good eyesight to see the Mediterranean from anywhere in the UK.
Out of sight out of mind, eh?
How about raising money for a foreign aid charity? Plenty of them, then you'd get fewer people risking their lives.
Just saw a programme on channel 5: How to get a council house. The sense of entitlement from one family of Romanians coming here expected to be housed before they have even paid a penny into the system makes my blood boil. I am fuming, absolutley fuming, how can a man come here with his wife and SIX fucking children and demand they be housed. They were first refused and put up by Kensington and Chelsea council in a B&B by social services. But then they went back to Hounslow council with JSA papers and because they are claiming JSA and the father has been here for three months(although he has been back to Romania) they can be housed. Afterwards the man was like to his kids "yes big house". Wtf!!!!!1!!!! is wrong with us? We have creted a system wide open to abuse.
Just joined UKIP I'm sick shouting at the T.V. it's time to actually do something. Please can some Remainers justify how people who have not paid a penny into the system can be housed by just bringing their family over in three nights as this family were?
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
True. I say we should stop rescuing all people at sea or anywhere else for that matter when we didn't force them to go. Let people burn in their houses too.
Some pretty ugly posting tonight. Either drunk or just ugly posters. It's as bad either way
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
yes but nobodys stopping you giving directly to a cause you like, And you get tax rebates for it.
I do give. But it only works if a lot of people do it. We need to pool resources. And in our FPTP country Brexit will merely deliver more control to the few hundred thousand voters who already have more power than the rest of us.
Form your own organisation, then, or join an existing one.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
Too right. I am disgusting.
The thing I hate about me most is I helped found a company that now employs over 20 people and has a turnover of more than £5 million. What a lazy, selfish scumbag I am.
So, you do sweet FA for charity?
No, you are wrong. But if you want to think badly of me who am I to stop you? Enjoy it.
Just saw a programme on channel 5: How to get a council house. The sense of entitlement from one family of Romanians coming here expected to be housed before they have even paid a penny into the system makes my blood boil. I am fuming, absolutley fuming, how can a man come here with his wife and SIX fucking children and demand they be housed. They were first refused and put up by Kensington and Chelsea council in a B&B by social services. But then they went back to Hounslow council with JSA papers and because they are claiming JSA and the father has been here for three months(although he has been back to Romania) they can be housed. Afterwards the man was like to his kids "yes big house". Wtf!!!!!1!!!! is wrong with us? We have creted a system wide open to abuse.
Just joined UKIP I'm sick shouting at the T.V. it's time to actually do something. Please can some Remainers justify how people who have not paid a penny into the system can be housed by just bringing their family over in three nights as this family were?
It's indefensible. But not a reason to leave the EU.
Just saw a programme on channel 5: How to get a council house. The sense of entitlement from one family of Romanians coming here expected to be housed before they have even paid a penny into the system makes my blood boil. I am fuming, absolutley fuming, how can a man come here with his wife and SIX fucking children and demand they be housed. They were first refused and put up by Kensington and Chelsea council in a B&B by social services. But then they went back to Hounslow council with JSA papers and because they are claiming JSA and the father has been here for three months(although he has been back to Romania) they can be housed. Afterwards the man was like to his kids "yes big house". Wtf!!!!!1!!!! is wrong with us? We have creted a system wide open to abuse.
Just joined UKIP I'm sick shouting at the T.V. it's time to actually do something. Please can some Remainers justify how people who have not paid a penny into the system can be housed by just bringing their family over in three nights as this family were?
It is perfectly possible to stop such abuses without leaving the EU. Just need to make social security and housing entitlements based upon the contributons made. It is how other countries do it.
I haven't noticed anyone quoting Osborne latest scare on the economy: pensions. Perhaps this economic scaremongering has punched itself out. People just don't believe it or just have become accustomed to it and take no notice.
My inadequate analysis: doesn't the State pension have a triple lock on it? Don't we have an independent MPC precisely to control inflation?
Just saw a programme on channel 5: How to get a council house. The sense of entitlement from one family of Romanians coming here expected to be housed before they have even paid a penny into the system makes my blood boil. I am fuming, absolutley fuming, how can a man come here with his wife and SIX fucking children and demand they be housed. They were first refused and put up by Kensington and Chelsea council in a B&B by social services. But then they went back to Hounslow council with JSA papers and because they are claiming JSA and the father has been here for three months(although he has been back to Romania) they can be housed. Afterwards the man was like to his kids "yes big house". Wtf!!!!!1!!!! is wrong with us? We have creted a system wide open to abuse.
Just joined UKIP I'm sick shouting at the T.V. it's time to actually do something. Please can some Remainers justify how people who have not paid a penny into the system can be housed by just bringing their family over in three nights as this family were?
It's indefensible. But not a reason to leave the EU.
So what is to stop thousands others from the E.U specifically doing the same?
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
True. I say we should stop rescuing all people at sea or anywhere else for that matter when we didn't force them to go. Let people burn in their houses too.
Some pretty ugly posting tonight. Either drunk or just ugly posters. It's as bad either way
Posters seeking to show how hard-headed they are and doesn't that make them great. It's just another form of virtue signalling.
Trump: "You're going to come to me, begging 'Please Mr. President, we need to stop winning. It's not fair on everyone else!' But we're going to carry on winning, because we are going to make... America ...Great... Again!"
Just saw a programme on channel 5: How to get a council house. The sense of entitlement from one family of Romanians coming here expected to be housed before they have even paid a penny into the system makes my blood boil. I am fuming, absolutley fuming, how can a man come here with his wife and SIX fucking children and demand they be housed. They were first refused and put up by Kensington and Chelsea council in a B&B by social services. But then they went back to Hounslow council with JSA papers and because they are claiming JSA and the father has been here for three months(although he has been back to Romania) they can be housed. Afterwards the man was like to his kids "yes big house". Wtf!!!!!1!!!! is wrong with us? We have creted a system wide open to abuse.
Just joined UKIP I'm sick shouting at the T.V. it's time to actually do something. Please can some Remainers justify how people who have not paid a penny into the system can be housed by just bringing their family over in three nights as this family were?
It's indefensible. But not a reason to leave the EU.
So what is to stop thousands others from the E.U specifically doing the same?
Legislation. It's not something that happens in other EU countries, including Romania I'd guess.
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
yes but nobodys stopping you giving directly to a cause you like, And you get tax rebates for it.
I do give. But it only works if a lot of people do it. We need to pool resources. And in our FPTP country Brexit will merely deliver more control to the few hundred thousand voters who already have more power than the rest of us.
Form your own organisation, then, or join an existing one.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
Too right. I am disgusting.
The thing I hate about me most is I helped found a company that now employs over 20 people and has a turnover of more than £5 million. What a lazy, selfish scumbag I am.
So, you do sweet FA for charity?
No, you are wrong. But if you want to think badly of me who am I to stop you? Enjoy it.
Come on then, enlighten us with how you make the World a better place.
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
True. I say we should stop rescuing all people at sea or anywhere else for that matter when we didn't force them to go. Let people burn in their houses too.
Some pretty ugly posting tonight. Either drunk or just ugly posters. It's as bad either way
Having watched QT and TW it is just one long bad tempered argument driving division in the country. There is no longer reasoned argument, just anti-immigrant scaremongering from Leave, and strange apocalyptic visions from Remain.
The only good thing about the campaign is that it is destroying the Conservative party.
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
yes but nobodys stopping you giving directly to a cause you like, And you get tax rebates for it.
I do give. But it only works if a lot of people do it. We need to pool resources. And in our FPTP country Brexit will merely deliver more control to the few hundred thousand voters who already have more power than the rest of us.
Form your own organisation, then, or join an existing one.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
Too right. I am disgusting.
The thing I hate about me most is I helped found a company that now employs over 20 people and has a turnover of more than £5 million. What a lazy, selfish scumbag I am.
So, you do sweet FA for charity?
No, you are wrong. But if you want to think badly of me who am I to stop you? Enjoy it.
Come on then, enlighten us with how you make the World a better place.
God knows. I have no doubt that you are better than me in every way.
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
yes but nobodys stopping you giving directly to a cause you like, And you get tax rebates for it.
I do give. But it only works if a lot of people do it. We need to pool resources. And in our FPTP country Brexit will merely deliver more control to the few hundred thousand voters who already have more power than the rest of us.
Form your own organisation, then, or join an existing one.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
Too right. I am disgusting.
The thing I hate about me most is I helped found a company that now employs over 20 people and has a turnover of more than £5 million. What a lazy, selfish scumbag I am.
So, you do sweet FA for charity?
No, you are wrong. But if you want to think badly of me who am I to stop you? Enjoy it.
Come on then, enlighten us with how you make the World a better place.
Give everyone a Coke, and sing in perfect harmony.
Our asshole politicians really believe in such shit...
'Finally, another leak to HSJ has revealed that the BMA council debated hunting down the whistleblower responsible for a previous leak and, potentially, reporting them to the General Medical Council if they were found to be a doctor.
The proposal was defeated, but around 40 per cent of council members supported it. Imagine if the board of the Department of Health, or an NHS trust, had undertaken a similar vote. The BMA’s agenda should not include launching a whistleblower witch hunt.
Trump: "You're going to come to me, begging 'Please Mr. President, we need to stop winning. It's not fair on everyone else!' But we're going to carry on winning, because we are going to make... America ...Great... Again!"
The level of negativity positivity in this campaign is unprecedented.
Except, obv, with those on the EU gravy train, the mad and/or traitors.
But it's not enough people need to know if they are going to be worse off, thats why the currency was so important in IndyRef, S.N.P couldn't answer and Vote Leave can't even answer if we would need visa's to travel to the E.U,whilst not a deal breaker Leave need to be united in what a deal with the E.U will look like.
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
True. I say we should stop rescuing all people at sea or anywhere else for that matter when we didn't force them to go. Let people burn in their houses too.
Some pretty ugly posting tonight. Either drunk or just ugly posters. It's as bad either way
Having watched QT and TW it is just one long bad tempered argument driving division in the country. There is no longer reasoned argument, just anti-immigrant scaremongering from Leave, and strange apocalyptic visions from Remain.
The only good thing about the campaign is that it is destroying the Conservative party.
Under other circumstances I'd agree but this goes well beyond party and reveals something as unattractive as anything since Thatcher/Reagan if not worse
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
True. I say we should stop rescuing all people at sea or anywhere else for that matter when we didn't force them to go. Let people burn in their houses too.
Some pretty ugly posting tonight. Either drunk or just ugly posters. It's as bad either way
Having watched QT and TW it is just one long bad tempered argument driving division in the country. There is no longer reasoned argument, just anti-immigrant scaremongering from Leave, and strange apocalyptic visions from Remain.
The only good thing about the campaign is that it is destroying the Conservative party.
Lots and lots of shouting. Hopefully, the only permanent wounds will be on the right.
Trump: "You're going to come to me, begging 'Please Mr. President, we need to stop winning. It's not fair on everyone else!' But we're going to carry on winning, because we are going to make... America ...Great... Again!"
The level of negativity positivity in this campaign is unprecedented.
Yeah, Trump is a master Mind-bender. Temporal and emotional shifting of his audience.
He's putting them in a trance about a future that they will already feel great about, when it come to the time to vote...
Same technique works well in getting ladies into the sack.
Except, obv, with those on the EU gravy train, the mad and/or traitors.
But it's not enough people need to know if they are going to be worse off, thats why the currency was so important in IndyRef, S.N.P couldn't answer and Vote Leave can't even answer if we would need visa's to travel to the E.U,whilst not a deal breaker Leave need to be united in what a deal with the E.U will look like.
All in all still a good headline day for Leave.
Best day of the campaign so far for Leave. That's a very good sign for them.
Trump: "You're going to come to me, begging 'Please Mr. President, we need to stop winning. It's not fair on everyone else!' But we're going to carry on winning, because we are going to make... America ...Great... Again!"
The level of negativity positivity in this campaign is unprecedented.
Yeah, Trump is a master Mind-bender. Temporal and emotional shifting of his audience.
He's putting them in a trance about a future that they will already feel great about, when it come to the time to vote...
Trump: "You're going to come to me, begging 'Please Mr. President, we need to stop winning. It's not fair on everyone else!' But we're going to carry on winning, because we are going to make... America ...Great... Again!"
The level of negativity positivity in this campaign is unprecedented.
Yeah, Trump is a master Mind-bender. Temporal and emotional shifting of his audience.
He's putting them in a trance about a future that they will already feel great about, when it come to the time to vote...
You are quite right. Went out for a drink after debate. I meant Salmond and Johnston should be on more. They actually make a great double act. Johnston is laid back and wise. Salmond passionate and slightly off message which is a good thing for an electorate teed off by the establishment.
Jeremy Corbyn has commissioned the former head of the civil service Bob Kerslake to conduct a review of his office, in an admission that his team are not working well with the party and shadow cabinet.
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
True. I say we should stop rescuing all people at sea or anywhere else for that matter when we didn't force them to go. Let people burn in their houses too.
Some pretty ugly posting tonight. Either drunk or just ugly posters. It's as bad either way
Having watched QT and TW it is just one long bad tempered argument driving division in the country. There is no longer reasoned argument, just anti-immigrant scaremongering from Leave, and strange apocalyptic visions from Remain.
The only good thing about the campaign is that it is destroying the Conservative party.
Under other circumstances I'd agree but this goes well beyond party and reveals something as unattractive as anything since Thatcher/Reagan if not worse
I think worse in many ways. Then the division was mostly about class and Shires vs cities, but this division over cultural issues is much more toxic.
I think worse in many ways. Then the division was mostly about class and Shires vs cities, but this division over cultural issues is much more toxic.
What makes it toxic is that the debate does not provide any opportunity for the real issues to be expressed so we're left with passionate but inarticulate rage about nothing in particular.
Luntz bases his entire career on getting an instant reaction
And usually a wrong one. His focus groups aren't seeking after truth but after ratings
Hmm. I seem to remember one he did for Newsnight featuring some callow youth no one had heard of called David Cameron, who sent the focus group into raptures. The rest as they say is huskies.
Jeremy Corbyn has commissioned the former head of the civil service Bob Kerslake to conduct a review of his office, in an admission that his team are not working well with the party and shadow cabinet.
Trump: "You're going to come to me, begging 'Please Mr. President, we need to stop winning. It's not fair on everyone else!' But we're going to carry on winning, because we are going to make... America ...Great... Again!"
The level of negativity positivity in this campaign is unprecedented.
And of course, he's also sending subliminal sexual come-ons to females...
Strikes me that the set piece debates might decide this referendum given that it is closer than most people suspect. In that regard it is important for Remain not to make this for or against Cameron/Osborne. Hence my view that the anti-establishment Salmond and the trusted ( for a politician) Johnston are the dream team. They should keep them on untill beaten.
And your allowing your disdain for Remainers to dictate your reaction to what the Remain side says.
You are the one trying to discuss things like democratic control and sovereignty in terms of economic reward. I certainly don't think of them in those terms. I don't for a minute believe there a trade off to be made between the two but even if there were I would still chose an improved democratic and sovereignty solution even if it meant an economic hit (which I don't believe it will)
Yes my position too, I'll take money hit for more contol over my own affairs.
I'll take a money hit to increase wealth redistribution. Given I live in a safe Tory seat I get no more control over anything even if we leave the EU and have full sovereignty. My vote will still be as pointless.
yes but nobodys stopping you giving directly to a cause you like, And you get tax rebates for it.
I do give. But it only works if a lot of people do it. We need to pool resources. And in our FPTP country Brexit will merely deliver more control to the few hundred thousand voters who already have more power than the rest of us.
Form your own organisation, then, or join an existing one.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
Too right. I am disgusting.
The thing I hate about me most is I helped found a company that now employs over 20 people and has a turnover of more than £5 million. What a lazy, selfish scumbag I am.
So, you do sweet FA for charity?
No, you are wrong. But if you want to think badly of me who am I to stop you? Enjoy it.
Come on then, enlighten us with how you make the World a better place.
God knows. I have no doubt that you are better than me in every way.
Yes, God indeed does.
So, join a church, get involved in your local food bank and give to Christian Aid.
You'll feel better and get rid of that impotent rage you obviously have.
SkyNews The Italian coastguard says around 4,000 people have been rescued from the Mediterranean Sea in one day https://t.co/aMxkDzpT3N
Why rescue suicidal terrorists?
Steady..
I am, perhaps the only one with clarity.
These people are prepared to throw away their own worthless lives, and their childrens', for a chance at the big time in the West. Their tactics are terroristic, because they know we are weak and stupid, and will cave in, rather than watch them drown...
We should say. "Don't come. You WILL drown, pointlessly. And we will watch, impassively."
Yep, that's a vision worth fighting for - a country that watches impassively as children drown. We'd all be proud to come from such a place.
We didn';t force them onto the boats - volenti non fit injuria
True. I say we should stop rescuing all people at sea or anywhere else for that matter when we didn't force them to go. Let people burn in their houses too.
Some pretty ugly posting tonight. Either drunk or just ugly posters. It's as bad either way
There is no longer reasoned argument, just anti-immigrant scaremongering from Leave, and strange apocalyptic visions from Remain.
The only good thing about the campaign is that it is destroying the Conservative party.
Is it really fair to dismiss 330,000 net migration as just 'scaremongering'? It's all very well Remain bleating on about the economic disaster of leave, but if you lose your job it doesn't matter how much your house price will fluctuate.
I don't think it's either racist or scaremongering to raise legitimate questions about this migration. The weird thing is that no other countries outside the EU have the same hangups about discussing such things. You can't waltz into most countries around the world.
the voters need simple easy to understand answers to things like jobs, travel, housing and the things that matter in their daily lives
Your house costs more because migration is out of hand? Your wages are poor because you are being undercut?
I think you may be right.
Answer to first is build more homes and second the new National Living wage applies to all
My (voting Remain) granddaughter has just shared this on Facebook. It’s from a George Bevan. I’m not posting the whole of it, but as far as taking our jobs are concerned he says "maybe, if an immigrant with no contacts, no skills and no local knowledge of the language and/or culture can steal your job, maybe, just maybe, you're s**t at your job."
Don't be a dick.
I had this very argument with XXXX YYYY sorry, Snowflake, on this very site, maybe 7 years ago.
And I got banned two years ago for mentioning in passing the userid of another public figure who allegedly once posted here...
MODS, can we have clarity, please? [Not meant to be an invitation to ban Sean]
Just saw a programme on channel 5: How to get a council house. The sense of entitlement from one family of Romanians coming here expected to be housed before they have even paid a penny into the system makes my blood boil. I am fuming, absolutley fuming, how can a man come here with his wife and SIX fucking children and demand they be housed. They were first refused and put up by Kensington and Chelsea council in a B&B by social services. But then they went back to Hounslow council with JSA papers and because they are claiming JSA and the father has been here for three months(although he has been back to Romania) they can be housed. Afterwards the man was like to his kids "yes big house". Wtf!!!!!1!!!! is wrong with us? We have creted a system wide open to abuse.
Just joined UKIP I'm sick shouting at the T.V. it's time to actually do something. Please can some Remainers justify how people who have not paid a penny into the system can be housed by just bringing their family over in three nights as this family were?
It's indefensible. But not a reason to leave the EU.
So what is to stop thousands others from the E.U specifically doing the same?
Legislation. It's not something that happens in other EU countries, including Romania I'd guess.
The problem with that is you can't have a system that punishes the children. The only legislation that will make sure parents don't arrive overnight with their SIX children demanding a council house (otherwise they will be on the streets) is you stop them coming over to Britain in the first place. We can't stop Britons from doing this but atleast we can stop half of Europe coming to London etc.
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Austalia has it right.
All illegals go to a place outside continental europe and are processed there.
Its humane AND successful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap3_1-EY4Vc
'How about, as an alternative, "we will pick you up, return you to the port from which departed from. next time you might not be so lucky.'
That's more or less what Australia did (tow you back into international waters) & it appears to have worked reasonably well.
But, that would require a Leftie like you giving their own time and money and that would never do.
As an aside that 2gw is just over 7% of our current demand, wind is providing 0.75gw or a little under 3%.
The thing I hate about me most is I helped found a company that now employs over 20 people and has a turnover of more than £5 million. What a lazy, selfish scumbag I am.
Now a hat...
The sense of entitlement from one family of Romanians coming here expected to be housed before they have even paid a penny into the system makes my blood boil. I am fuming, absolutley fuming, how can a man come here with his wife and SIX fucking children and demand they be housed. They were first refused and put up by Kensington and Chelsea council in a B&B by social services. But then they went back to Hounslow council with JSA papers and because they are claiming JSA and the father has been here for three months(although he has been back to Romania) they can be housed. Afterwards the man was like to his kids "yes big house". Wtf!!!!!1!!!! is wrong with us? We have creted a system wide open to abuse.
Just joined UKIP I'm sick shouting at the T.V. it's time to actually do something.
Please can some Remainers justify how people who have not paid a penny into the system can be housed by just bringing their family over in three nights as this family were?
The American Anger Agenda
http://time.com/4346173/clinton-trump-election-hell/
Maybe betting on Hillary is a mistake after all.
Perhaps this economic scaremongering has punched itself out. People just don't believe it or just have become accustomed to it and take no notice.
My inadequate analysis: doesn't the State pension have a triple lock on it? Don't we have an independent MPC precisely to control inflation?
You are quite right. Johnston and Salmond are a powerful combination and won an easy victory in the first debate helped enormously by the UKIP lady.
If I were running Remain I would keep Cameron and Osborne off and out Salmond and Cameron on.
The only good thing about the campaign is that it is destroying the Conservative party.
I agree, most Remain voters are in the Lab, LD, Green, SNP and PC. These need more prominence, this should not be a Tory catfight.
Our asshole politicians really believe in such shit...
The proposal was defeated, but around 40 per cent of council members supported it. Imagine if the board of the Department of Health, or an NHS trust, had undertaken a similar vote. The BMA’s agenda should not include launching a whistleblower witch hunt.
http://www.hsj.co.uk/comment/leader/witch-hunts-and-refusing-to-talk-will-not-help-the-bmas-case/7005114.article
All in all still a good headline day for Leave.
He's putting them in a trance about a future that they will already feel great about, when it come to the time to vote...
Same technique works well in getting ladies into the sack.
Definitely an abnormal person, however...
You are quite right. Went out for a drink after debate. I meant Salmond and Johnston should be on more. They actually make a great double act. Johnston is laid back and wise. Salmond passionate and slightly off message which is a good thing for an electorate teed off by the establishment.
http://order-order.com/
Milne back to the Guardian, along with his Mao posters?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/elizabeth_warren_knows_how_to_attack_donald_trump_why_doesn_t_hillary_clinton.html
So, join a church, get involved in your local food bank and give to Christian Aid.
You'll feel better and get rid of that impotent rage you obviously have.
I don't think it's either racist or scaremongering to raise legitimate questions about this migration. The weird thing is that no other countries outside the EU have the same hangups about discussing such things. You can't waltz into most countries around the world.
I'd get heavily invested on Trump if I were you and fast
1.5% versus 7.0% a month ago...
PB still got boiling frog syndrome?
Clinton squirming as usual about Mailgate. Unflattering photos of this unbalanced arch-conspiratorialist glued to her pathetic Blackberry...