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edited May 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Ex-Treasury minister & Brexiter, Angela Leadsom, is having a good war and might be good long-shot for next CON leader

A new YouGov referendum poll published overnight has both sides level-pegging – a marked change from last week’s 4% REMAIN lead. It is a sharp reminder that this could be very close and reinforces the big polling story of this election – the huge divide between phone and online.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Glorious first!
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    For those who puzzled over the meaning on the previous thread of SWAG, it stands for - Scientific Wild Ass Guess.

    I just watched highlights of Trump's speech in New Mexico, and we have a new nickname. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who hugely bigged up her alleged Cherokee Indian heritage until it was recently debunked, is now being called Pocahontas by Trump.

    That will stick.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    Here's another recent one:

    And a final message to those who say we should stay in the EU and reform it from within. We tried; David Cameron tried; we did not succeed. The logic of that failed negotiation is clear. The Europeans are our friends and allies – we should keep it that way and Vote Leave on June 23.

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/05/andrea-leadsom-introducing-the-fresh-start-alternative-to-eu-membership.html

    Much more persuasive than the chaps doing (almost) all the talking.....
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Yes, she's good. But Osborne hates her, which is why her career has been held back so far (she rejected his patronage early on). But do we really want a former compliance officer in charge... ;)

    As an aside, I caught up with a board director of one of the credit rating agencies yesterday (we were going the same way on the tube). Never come across someone so terrified about Brexit. He's worried that his kids - who are completely integrated into Europe-wide businesses - just don't seem to be too bothered to vote.

    He's also picking up signs that the "old landed families" are coming out for Leave (in his view based on some romantic notion of a glorious past - he doesn't think that the Brits are natural entrepreneurs any way).

    But he also mentioned that if we engaged fully in Europe we'd get a lot - Germany needs us to see off the French. But with the half-in-half-out approach we just p1ss everyone off.

    (p.s. another patrimonial came out yesterday for Leave. That means that Devon and Hampshire and the working family are all for Leave; Paris for Remain [but they don't have a vote, only the right to make observations] only Wiltshire to come. They've been quiet on the matter, but I wouldn't be surprised if they backed Leave in the end)
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    Off topic - Apologies

    Noticing that Plato is quoting from cityam.com, perhaps I might be allowed to refer to the same august journal in nominating my pick for the Epsom Derby to be run in just 10 days' time:
    http://www.cityam.com/241874/fabres-cloth-of-stars-set-for-investec-derby

    The supplemented Cloth Of Stars is sired by the legendary Sea The Stars who not only won this great classic in 2009, but was unbeaten throughout that glorious summer in also winning the 2000 Guineas, the Eclipse Stakes, the International Stakes, the Irish Champion Stakes and last but not least the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe.

    If he's half as good as his Dad, He should be worth a modest e.w. punt at 7/1 with the bookies, or slightly better both to win (7.6/1 net) and to be placed (1.9/1 net) with Betfair.

    As ever, DYOR.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    Charles said:

    Yes, she's good. But Osborne hates her, which is why her career has been held back so far (she rejected his patronage early on). But do we really want a former compliance officer in charge...

    One can understand why Osborne would be leery of a compliance officer.....
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    Charles said:

    Yes, she's good. But Osborne hates her, which is why her career has been held back so far (she rejected his patronage early on). But do we really want a former compliance officer in charge... ;)

    As an aside, I caught up with a board director of one of the credit rating agencies yesterday (we were going the same way on the tube). Never come across someone so terrified about Brexit. He's worried that his kids - who are completely integrated into Europe-wide businesses - just don't seem to be too bothered to vote.

    He's also picking up signs that the "old landed families" are coming out for Leave (in his view based on some romantic notion of a glorious past - he doesn't think that the Brits are natural entrepreneurs any way).

    But he also mentioned that if we engaged fully in Europe we'd get a lot - Germany needs us to see off the French. But with the half-in-half-out approach we just p1ss everyone off.

    (p.s. another patrimonial came out yesterday for Leave. That means that Devon and Hampshire and the working family are all for Leave; Paris for Remain [but they don't have a vote, only the right to make observations] only Wiltshire to come. They've been quiet on the matter, but I wouldn't be surprised if they backed Leave in the end)

    " But do we really want a former compliance officer in charge... ;)"

    There speaketh a banker methinks!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    edited May 2016
    I'd demand a refund!

    LOL. Did you see someone's comment with the golden ratio spiral?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This bet works either on a trading basis or if David Cameron steps down in a couple of years' time, by which time she may have had time to establish herself in the front rank.

    Few have enhanced their reputation in this campaign. The main effect of the referendum so far has been to damage the Conservatives institutionally.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    I agree she'd be a good choice.
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    Charles: "But he also mentioned that if we engaged fully in Europe we'd get a lot - Germany needs us to see off the French."

    Precisely ..... it's a great pity that Cameron chose to ignore this key fact during his so-called EU renegotiations which of course proved to be nothing of the sort and despite his claims to the contrary, didn't amount to so much as a row of beans - the sham factor which pushed me decisively into the LEAVE camp.
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    Its Andrea, not Angela.
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    Back on topic:

    With that that earnest appearance, she even reminds me ever so slightly of the "Blessed Margaret".
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton 11 points ahead in Jersey

    Still, about a 7 point shift to Trump/GOP since 2012.

    What about the other Channel Islands ....

    Might Rubio make a comeback in Sark ??
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton 11 points ahead in Jersey

    Still, about a 7 point shift to Trump/GOP since 2012.

    What about the other Channel Islands ....

    Might Rubio make a comeback in Sark ??
    I've been hearing murmurings in Southern Thule....
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    Sean_F said:

    I agree she'd be a good choice.

    Backing her to be the next Tory Leader at 50/1 (with BetFred/Tote or BetVictor), looks the better bet than on her becoming the next [Tory] Prime Minister at the same odds.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    edited May 2016
    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton 11 points ahead in Jersey

    Still, about a 7 point shift to Trump/GOP since 2012.

    What about the other Channel Islands ....

    Might Rubio make a comeback in Sark ??
    Its only 'New Jersey' because les crapauds sided with the King in the Civil war, while Guernsey sided with Parliament - which was a bit awkward with St Peter Port & Castle Cornet (loyal to the King) being within a couple of hundred yards of each other....the odd pot shots were taken.....so after the restoration the traitorous pig dogs loyal Jersey toadying cronies nobility were rewarded with lands in the distant colonies.....
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    If anyone still cares Kasich has written to RNC stating he intends to retain his delegates until the convention.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    I've been hearing murmurings in Southern Thule....

    And Guernsey too .... The Trump wall between the two biggest islands to stop illegal tomato and Jersey Royal potatoes will clearly damage Trump's poll numbers.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Its only 'New Jersey' because les crapauds sided with the King in the Civil war, while Guernsey sided with Parliament - which was a bit awkward with St Peter Port & Castle Cornet (loyal to the King) being within a couple of hundred yards of each other....the odd pot shots were taken.....so after the restoration the traitorous pig dogs loyal Jersey toadying cronies nobility were rewarded with lands in the distant colonies.....

    I blame TSE and REMAIN ....

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,358
    I rate Andrea Leadsom highly.

    My view would be her as Chancellor, and Gove as Foreign Secretary, as a Brexit dream team.
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    If anyone still cares Kasich has written to RNC stating he intends to retain his delegates until the convention.

    I don't understand - does this possibly have something to do with him trying to improve his chances of getting the Veep gig?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Clinton 11 points ahead in Jersey

    Still, about a 7 point shift to Trump/GOP since 2012.

    What about the other Channel Islands ....

    Might Rubio make a comeback in Sark ??
    According to RCP in 2012 there was one poll done in May for New Jersey, Obama was 10 points ahead, so Hillary is doing better than Obama.

    In 2008 there was no May Polling, however the early June polling had Obama winning by 8.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    If anyone still cares Kasich has written to RNC stating he intends to retain his delegates until the convention.

    I don't understand - does this possibly have something to do with him trying to improve his chances of getting the Veep gig?
    Not sure it helps him much when Trump arrives with ~1463 bound delegates :p
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    If anyone still cares Kasich has written to RNC stating he intends to retain his delegates until the convention.

    I don't understand - does this possibly have something to do with him trying to improve his chances of getting the Veep gig?
    Not sure it helps him much when Trump arrives with ~1463 bound delegates :p
    IIRC, after NMex, Trump is just 48 short now. Times saying he's got c75% of all GOP votes, the rest split between zombie candidates of Cruz, Carson and Kasich
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Bounnhang Vorachith has been General Secretary of the Lao People's Revolutionary Party, and President of Laos, since 22 January 2016. He's 77, and he's not even a woman.

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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    My word completion app keeps substituting Angela for Andrea which is my excuse for getting her name wrong when I first published. That's now been fixed. Thanks to those who pointed out the error
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    On topic, I don't think Leadsom has any chance of becoming leader this year - she's simply too junior - but Mike's bet might be a very astute one if Cameron hangs on and the leadership election's in two or three years' time.

    It's possible but unlikely that Remain win big: if, say, the phone polls are correct now and there's then a further swing to Remain over the next month. But other than in that unlikely scenario, to keep his job, he'll need to bring in and promote Brexiters to and in the government. Leadsom could easily be a cabinet minister by 2018/9 and well-placed in a field without stand-out alternatives. In particular, she may tick the 'few negatives' box that matters so much in Tory contests.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited May 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    If anyone still cares Kasich has written to RNC stating he intends to retain his delegates until the convention.

    I don't understand - does this possibly have something to do with him trying to improve his chances of getting the Veep gig?
    Not sure it helps him much when Trump arrives with ~1463 bound delegates :p
    IIRC, after NMex, Trump is just 48 short now.
    New Mexico is June 7th with the rest of the final set (Excluding DC for the Democrats). I've assumed he will lose 6 delegates to unbound there (Neither Cruz nor Kasich will win any due to threshold), and take the rest.

    1166 + 172 + 27 + 51 + (24 - 6) + 29
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    I rate Andrea Leadsom highly.

    My view would be her as Chancellor, and Gove as Foreign Secretary, as a Brexit dream team.

    Who as leader?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DAaronovitch: Now Leave insults the Institute for Fiscal Studies for warning about the economic effects of Brexit. Note, it doesn't disagree, it insults.

    @PickardJE: Out campaign is undermining their own credibility by dismissing the highly respected, neutral IFS as stooges of Brussels.

    If Leave is the obvious, logical, Patriotic choice, why are they running such a completely shit campaign?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Oops One of Hillary's closest political allies under investigation by FBI and DoJ after accepting money from a senior Chinese politician! http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/top-clinton-ally-faces-fbi-inquiry-after-chinese-gift-bkc2w26bk
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,997
    I seem to recall various pieces in Private Eye suggesting a slightly iffy financial back story.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    I rate Andrea Leadsom highly.

    My view would be her as Chancellor, and Gove as Foreign Secretary, as a Brexit dream team.

    Won't happen. Chancellor is too big a jump and besides, unless you have a new PM, Cameron isn't going to leave Osborne without either other top three job.

    Leadsom at BIS would work.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Pulpstar said:

    If anyone still cares Kasich has written to RNC stating he intends to retain his delegates until the convention.

    I don't understand - does this possibly have something to do with him trying to improve his chances of getting the Veep gig?
    Not sure it helps him much when Trump arrives with ~1463 bound delegates :p
    IIRC, after NMex, Trump is just 48 short now. Times saying he's got c75% of all GOP votes, the rest split between zombie candidates of Cruz, Carson and Kasich
    My wife just voted for Cruz. Under protest.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Scott_P said:

    @DAaronovitch: Now Leave insults the Institute for Fiscal Studies for warning about the economic effects of Brexit. Note, it doesn't disagree, it insults.

    @PickardJE: Out campaign is undermining their own credibility by dismissing the highly respected, neutral IFS as stooges of Brussels.

    If Leave is the obvious, logical, Patriotic choice, why are they running such a completely shit campaign?

    If Remain were 20 points clear your post would have some veracity, they're not, so it doesn't. In fact its the reverse, it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    Scott_P said:


    If Leave is the obvious, logical, Patriotic choice, why are they running such a completely shit campaign?

    Having read a couple of Leadsom's articles her 'more in sorrow than in anger' tone could be used more widely - Gove has been surprisingly low key & Boris has been 'Boris' - not remotely up to the PM job.....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680

    I seem to recall various pieces in Private Eye suggesting a slightly iffy financial back story.


    You may be referring to this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-how-city-minister-andrea-leadsom-used-controversial-trusts-to-reduce-her-potential-9268469.html

    As ever, 'Smart (or well advised) people obey the law to reduce their tax liability' but in the Court of Public Opinion they are "Guilty as charged!"

    Sentence First! Verdict Later!
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    Scott_P said:


    If Leave is the obvious, logical, Patriotic choice, why are they running such a completely shit campaign?

    Having read a couple of Leadsom's articles her 'more in sorrow than in anger' tone could be used more widely - Gove has been surprisingly low key & Boris has been 'Boris' - not remotely up to the PM job.....
    This is a good point, the campaign, such as it is (its just a shouting match) has exposed just how awful our politicians are. Somebody will tiptoe through the rubble carrying some rational common sense, no idea who. The main protagonists are finished.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Oops One of Hillary's closest political allies under investigation by FBI and DoJ after accepting money from a senior Chinese politician! http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/top-clinton-ally-faces-fbi-inquiry-after-chinese-gift-bkc2w26bk

    Crooked Hillary :D
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:

    @DAaronovitch: Now Leave insults the Institute for Fiscal Studies for warning about the economic effects of Brexit. Note, it doesn't disagree, it insults.

    @PickardJE: Out campaign is undermining their own credibility by dismissing the highly respected, neutral IFS as stooges of Brussels.

    If Leave is the obvious, logical, Patriotic choice, why are they running such a completely shit campaign?

    If Remain were 20 points clear your post would have some veracity, they're not, so it doesn't. In fact its the reverse, it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.
    Having seen the Leave campaigners in headless chicken mode, I take that with a pinch of salt.

    What was Boris doing spinning donuts in a sports car labelled "take control"?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    If anyone still cares Kasich has written to RNC stating he intends to retain his delegates until the convention.

    I don't understand - does this possibly have something to do with him trying to improve his chances of getting the Veep gig?
    Possibly.

    The other possibility is that he has an eye on 2020 already and is positioning himself so as to emerge unscathed from a catastrophic Trump candidacy. But there are risks with that approach.

    On the one hand, Trump might win. That would probably bar the path the 2020 anyway as Trump would be highly likely to renominated, though given his lack of establishment support, it's less sure than would usually be the case.

    And on the other, Trump might lose but the blame rather than being attached wholly to Trump is also divided with those in the GOP believed to have undermined him.

    But even allowing for that, it's a potentially fruitful path and if he is still keen to run next time then it'd be foolish to leave it open to someone else if he's not prepared to back Trump. Or, as you say, if he is prepared to back him then it's leverage up until the convention.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Scott_P said:

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
    Oh I see, you've reverted to calling everybody racist, its like a comfort blanket when you're frightened. Let's see if it works.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Blackburn is right, this is clearly a campaign at the top of its game, winning here...

    @PickardJE: Vote Leave absurdly calls the Institute 'a paid up propaganda arm of the European Commision' @Guy_Stallard
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    edited May 2016

    Scott_P said:

    @DAaronovitch: Now Leave insults the Institute for Fiscal Studies for warning about the economic effects of Brexit. Note, it doesn't disagree, it insults.

    @PickardJE: Out campaign is undermining their own credibility by dismissing the highly respected, neutral IFS as stooges of Brussels.

    If Leave is the obvious, logical, Patriotic choice, why are they running such a completely shit campaign?

    If Remain were 20 points clear your post would have some veracity, they're not, so it doesn't. In fact its the reverse, it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.
    What was Boris doing spinning donuts in a sports car labelled "take control"?
    Going round in circles........it started with immigration....and looks like it will end there.....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Oh I see, you've reverted to calling everybody racist

    No, only people who want to stoke fears about immigration

    @OwenJones84: The case for Remain no longer just about the EU. It's to defeat a toxic campaign trying to tap into and fan racism. Turn out and defeat it.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    Scott_P said:

    @DAaronovitch: Now Leave insults the Institute for Fiscal Studies for warning about the economic effects of Brexit. Note, it doesn't disagree, it insults.

    @PickardJE: Out campaign is undermining their own credibility by dismissing the highly respected, neutral IFS as stooges of Brussels.

    If Leave is the obvious, logical, Patriotic choice, why are they running such a completely shit campaign?

    If Remain were 20 points clear your post would have some veracity, they're not, so it doesn't. In fact its the reverse, it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.
    Having seen the Leave campaigners in headless chicken mode, I take that with a pinch of salt.

    What was Boris doing spinning donuts in a sports car labelled "take control"?
    No idea, nor do I care.

    I'm taking issue with what ScottP says, the polls are tight, to suggest the Leave campaign is any worse than Remain's is simply not true.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    btw I see Army officers favour Brexit.

    Do I trust them or "neutral" economists?
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Scott_P said:

    Oh I see, you've reverted to calling everybody racist

    No, only people who want to stoke fears about immigration

    @OwenJones84: The case for Remain no longer just about the EU. It's to defeat a toxic campaign trying to tap into and fan racism. Turn out and defeat it.
    So now arch tory Scott is retweeting Owen Jones.

    You are a very confused young man.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    btw I see Army officers favour Brexit.

    Do I trust them or "neutral" economists?

    Of course they support Brexit.... it'll give them WW3 to keep them busy :p
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    RobD said:

    btw I see Army officers favour Brexit.

    Do I trust them or "neutral" economists?

    Of course they support Brexit.... it'll give them WW3 to keep them busy :p
    lols
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755
    Scott_P said:

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
    ROFL

    most pathetic post of the morning

    I suppose it will be jackboots and the KKK in Lederhosen by lunchtime

    so this post is now Tory racist bastards ?

    LOL keep em coming, nobody makes the Tories seem more shit than you do.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    retweeting Owen Jones.

    Not a retweet.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Scott_P said:

    retweeting Owen Jones.

    Not a retweet.
    So you disagree with what he said?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755

    Scott_P said:

    retweeting Owen Jones.

    Not a retweet.
    So you disagree with what he said?
    Avoid Scott Paster, he belongs to a party stuffed full of racists, said so himself. :-)

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    he belongs to a party

    I am not a member of any party
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    most pathetic post of the morning

    Relax, you'll soon top it. Oh, too late
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Leave playing the Army brass card today - most amusingly, Sir Michael Rose is leading the charge.

    "Britain's Armed Forces would be more effective outside the European Union, 12 former generals and admirals claim today...The retired senior military officers are backing Veterans for Britain, a campaign for a Leave vote in the EU referendum aimed at serving and former military personnel.

    They reject the idea that a Brexit would have a negative impact on the UK's defence and security, saying that Nato is responsible for peace across Europe... [Rose] comments will humiliate the Prime Minister because Sir Michael's name was 'mistakenly' added to a letter orchestrated by Downing Street earlier this year which promoted the EU.

    In an individual statement, he says today: 'Sovereignty and defence are indivisible. European law, in my view, has already seriously undermined UK's combat effectiveness as a result of the intrusion of European law into national law. And today, our servicemen and women are in danger of becoming no more than civilians in uniform.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3607761/Generals-fight-Brexit-forces-stronger-outside-not-fit-purpose-EU-says-dozen-former-brass.html#ixzz49e8GYhIu
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Scott_P said:

    he belongs to a party

    I am not a member of any party
    Well quoting Owen Jones its clear where your sentiments lie. 50% of tories are filthy racists, you couldn't ever support a PM who pledges to drastically cut immigration.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001

    btw I see Army officers favour Brexit.

    Do I trust them or "neutral" economists?

    You should've trust anything anyone says unconditionally! I suspect Remain will find their own set of army officers next week, just as Leave found their own economists and business people.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    All the Hallmarks of a winning campaign...

    @PickardJE: Vote Leave response to IFS criticism is like a child putting fingers in ears and shouting: "I'm not listening la la la LA LA LA LA....."
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    rcs1000 said:

    btw I see Army officers favour Brexit.

    Do I trust them or "neutral" economists?

    You should've trust anything anyone says unconditionally! I suspect Remain will find their own set of army officers next week, just as Leave found their own economists and business people.
    Leave have the Lord High Constable of England on their side.. they don't need no army officers ;):p
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Scott_P said:

    retweeting Owen Jones.

    Not a retweet.
    So you disagree with what he said?
    Avoid Scott Paster, he belongs to a party stuffed full of racists, said so himself. :-)

    I did enjoy your jousting on the last thread. Many :lol: moments. Keep 'em coming.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GregHands: IFS today saying a vote to leave could result in up to a 40bn hit to the public finances in 2019/20 - almost the size of the defence budget.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755
    edited May 2016
    Scott_P said:

    most pathetic post of the morning

    Relax, you'll soon top it. Oh, too late
    Scott I look forward to your next series of posts, we all do. What will it be today ?

    Tory bestiality freaks in abattoir night of lust ?
    Corrupt Tories steal OAPs bingo money to fund crystal meth distribution?
    Evil Tory bastards run Rolf Harris cotton plantation ?

    Every day just gets more remarkale
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Scott I look forward to your next series of posts, we all do.

    My fan club keeps growing all the time
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755
    Scott_P said:

    @GregHands: IFS today saying a vote to leave could result in up to a 40bn hit to the public finances in 2019/20 - almost the size of the defence budget.

    But nowhere near as big as Osborne's deficit. Ho hum
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr Brooke,

    Please go easy on Mr P.

    If Remain wins, I'm sure he'll be asking his racist friends to join him in a game of happy families and begin insulting Owen Jones. Cameron insists all will be sweetness and light, and he is the font of all wisdom.

    There's lancing the boil and there's adding more infection to the wound.

    The two main parties fighting like the proverbial ferrets (while insisting there's no split through their gritted teeth).
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,358

    I rate Andrea Leadsom highly.

    My view would be her as Chancellor, and Gove as Foreign Secretary, as a Brexit dream team.

    Who as leader?
    God knows.

    That's the problem. The Tories have, IMHO, lots of great first lieutenants but very few who I can see as a successful PM with the X-factor.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    CD13 said:

    The two main parties fighting like the proverbial ferrets (while insisting there's no split through their gritted teeth).

    @jameskirkup: Most Tories aren't at war over #Brexit. And Europe won't decide who replaces David Cameron. https://t.co/XcaFoMb1IE
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    Scott_P said:

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
    ROFL

    most pathetic post of the morning

    I suppose it will be jackboots and the KKK in Lederhosen by lunchtime

    so this post is now Tory racist bastards ?

    LOL keep em coming, nobody makes the Tories seem more shit than you do.
    So many things have been said by Tories about each other which cannot be unsaid, when this is over.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311

    btw I see Army officers favour Brexit.

    Do I trust them or "neutral" economists?

    Army officers told the govt that we could go into Afghan with a ludicrously small force which ended up as a series of self-licking lollipops.

    What army officers achieved in Iraq is probably better left unsaid.

    Senior army officers, that is.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755
    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
    ROFL

    most pathetic post of the morning

    I suppose it will be jackboots and the KKK in Lederhosen by lunchtime

    so this post is now Tory racist bastards ?

    LOL keep em coming, nobody makes the Tories seem more shit than you do.
    So many things have been said by Tories about each other which cannot be unsaid, when this is over.
    It doesn't appear to have occurred to them.

    You have wonder just how stupid this can get.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755
    Scott_P said:

    Scott I look forward to your next series of posts, we all do.

    My fan club keeps growing all the time
    And why not ? it's some of the best entertainment on the internet.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,358
    Charles said:

    Yes, she's good. But Osborne hates her, which is why her career has been held back so far (she rejected his patronage early on). But do we really want a former compliance officer in charge... ;)

    That tells you everything you need to know about her and everything you need to know about Osborne.

    I don't usually use this word, but he's a total and utter ****.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    And why not ? it's some of the best entertainment on the internet.

    It's a shame your posts are so tedious and unimaginative though.

    Maybe if you were bit smarter more people would like what you write?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755

    Charles said:

    Yes, she's good. But Osborne hates her, which is why her career has been held back so far (she rejected his patronage early on). But do we really want a former compliance officer in charge... ;)

    That tells you everything you need to know about her and everything you need to know about Osborne.

    I don't usually use this word, but he's a total and utter ****.
    Tory ?

    Best not tell Scott :-)
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
    ROFL

    most pathetic post of the morning

    I suppose it will be jackboots and the KKK in Lederhosen by lunchtime

    so this post is now Tory racist bastards ?

    LOL keep em coming, nobody makes the Tories seem more shit than you do.
    So many things have been said by Tories about each other which cannot be unsaid, when this is over.
    It doesn't appear to have occurred to them.

    You have wonder just how stupid this can get.
    The sledging on here by a small number of Tories has been remarkable. I just scroll by them now. I'm not sure what point they're trying to prove. It wasn't this bad before GE2015 with Tory vs Labour.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
    ROFL

    most pathetic post of the morning

    I suppose it will be jackboots and the KKK in Lederhosen by lunchtime

    so this post is now Tory racist bastards ?

    LOL keep em coming, nobody makes the Tories seem more shit than you do.
    So many things have been said by Tories about each other which cannot be unsaid, when this is over.
    It doesn't appear to have occurred to them.

    You have wonder just how stupid this can get.
    Yougov could do a poll

    "You're a Conservative activist/member/supporter who gets called a racist for supporting Brexit by other Tories.

    Does this make you:-

    1. More likely to vote Conservative in the future,
    2. Less likely to vote Conservative in the future."
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755
    Scott_P said:

    And why not ? it's some of the best entertainment on the internet.

    It's a shame your posts are so tedious and unimaginative though.

    Maybe if you were bit smarter more people would like what you write?
    Well we all bow to the mastery of your prose Scott and your intellect never ceases to impress.
    It can't be easy slagging the Conservatives every day but you always seem to find fresh material.

    Keep it up.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,358

    I rate Andrea Leadsom highly.

    My view would be her as Chancellor, and Gove as Foreign Secretary, as a Brexit dream team.

    Won't happen. Chancellor is too big a jump and besides, unless you have a new PM, Cameron isn't going to leave Osborne without either other top three job.

    Leadsom at BIS would work.
    I disagree. I think she could do it. She has lots of talent, worked in the City, and has experience as economic secretary to the Treasury.

    BIS would be a bit of an insult, in my view.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
    ROFL

    most pathetic post of the morning

    I suppose it will be jackboots and the KKK in Lederhosen by lunchtime

    so this post is now Tory racist bastards ?

    LOL keep em coming, nobody makes the Tories seem more shit than you do.
    So many things have been said by Tories about each other which cannot be unsaid, when this is over.
    It doesn't appear to have occurred to them.

    You have wonder just how stupid this can get.
    Yougov could do a poll

    "You're a Conservative activist/member/supporter who gets called a racist for supporting Brexit by other Tories.

    Does this make you:-

    1. More likely to vote Conservative in the future,
    2. Less likely to vote Conservative in the future."
    #WhyDontYouEffOffAndJoinTheKippers
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr P,

    If Leave wins, remember it's the racists wot won it - the Tory racists.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,358

    Charles said:

    Yes, she's good. But Osborne hates her, which is why her career has been held back so far (she rejected his patronage early on). But do we really want a former compliance officer in charge... ;)

    That tells you everything you need to know about her and everything you need to know about Osborne.

    I don't usually use this word, but he's a total and utter ****.
    Tory ?

    Best not tell Scott :-)
    Scott is just a dick.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Good morning all.

    Trump nearing that magic number of delegates of 1237. Now has 1196, only 41 to go and........... BINGO!

    Sanders still giving Clinton trouble. ;)
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Scott_P said:



    @jameskirkup: Most Tories aren't at war over #Brexit.

    Indeed not. Most of them are united in supporting Brexit
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.

    Whistle to keep your spirits up

    It's not Remain who have abandoned their entire economic message to focus exclusively on racism immigration
    ROFL

    most pathetic post of the morning

    I suppose it will be jackboots and the KKK in Lederhosen by lunchtime

    so this post is now Tory racist bastards ?

    LOL keep em coming, nobody makes the Tories seem more shit than you do.
    So many things have been said by Tories about each other which cannot be unsaid, when this is over.
    It doesn't appear to have occurred to them.

    You have wonder just how stupid this can get.
    The sledging on here by a small number of Tories has been remarkable. I just scroll by them now. I'm not sure what point they're trying to prove. It wasn't this bad before GE2015 with Tory vs Labour.
    On day one of marketing communication I was taught never slag your competitors off becasue soon that will become the industry you work in and eventually yourself.

    Politicians appear never to have been taught this. But now they work in a discredited profession and those who point the finger get met with a cynical look and "yeah are you telling he's not doing it too"

    Still I'm waiting mad keen for Scott's Boris in Bullingdon post. Should be a cracker :-)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Scott is just a dick.

    Just the sort of reasoned argument and debate I have come to expect from my fans, who keep boasting about how clever they are.

    Oh dear.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    It's Ozzie vs Eagle today isn't it? She's pretty good at PMQs - let's see how much support he gets.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr Herdson,

    Why can't a new MP who is good enough become PM? All they lack is the knowledge of the school yard antics employed by the more experienced MPs. Hardly a loss considering this referendum debate.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    btw I see Army officers favour Brexit.

    Do I trust them or "neutral" economists?

    You should've trust anything anyone says unconditionally! I suspect Remain will find their own set of army officers next week, just as Leave found their own economists and business people.
    Leave have the Lord High Constable of England on their side.. they don't need no army officers ;):p
    And the Lord High Chancellor, don't forget him!

    I believe the Earl Marischal is also in favour of Leave.

    edit: the Lord High Admiral hasn't declared for either side, but I have a sneaking suspicion... ;)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited May 2016

    Still I'm waiting mad keen for Scott's Boris in Bullingdon post.

    Desperate to ride my coattails. It's sad really.

    Maybe if you were smarter and wittier, people would like your posts more?
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Scott_P said:

    @DAaronovitch: Now Leave insults the Institute for Fiscal Studies for warning about the economic effects of Brexit. Note, it doesn't disagree, it insults.

    @PickardJE: Out campaign is undermining their own credibility by dismissing the highly respected, neutral IFS as stooges of Brussels.

    If Leave is the obvious, logical, Patriotic choice, why are they running such a completely shit campaign?

    If Remain were 20 points clear your post would have some veracity, they're not, so it doesn't. In fact its the reverse, it is Remain, odds on favourites since the start, who are panicking.
    REMAIN is 20% ahead with some pollsters
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,755
    Scott_P said:

    Scott is just a dick.

    Just the sort of reasoned argument and debate I have come to expect from my fans, who keep boasting about how clever they are.

    Oh dear.
    That's unfair Scott.

    I suspect CR meant dick in the sense of detective, as your always bringing to light new scandals on the corrupt racist Tories.

    Speaking of which did you investigate the one about the bloke and the pigs head ?
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    What a happy family we are this morning.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Scott_P said:



    @jameskirkup: Most Tories aren't at war over #Brexit.

    Indeed not. Most of them are united in supporting Brexit
    YouGov in Times have 2015 Tories at 65% Leave.
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