Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
The poll gives us GB figures. On that basis the Tories are down 2.8% and Labour are down 1.2%. The Tory lead looks a bit on the high side compared with other recent polls.
The Tory lead is pretty par for the course in most polls, smaller but almost entirely because of Tory voters shifting to UKIP, not because of any gains being made by Labour
Not really. ICM and MORI have the Tories 2% lead. Apparently the unpublished YouGov poll has Labour 4/5% ahead. Last month Opinium came up with a Tory lead of 8% which was not at all reflected in the May 5th elections.
I'd expect The Express to go for the full 77 million: h ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/734118653323513856
At some point LEAVE decided to abandon the economy because comedy, and instead start screaming "They're coming! They're coming" like a drunk outside a train station.
Not surprised either. The antics of Boris, Gove, Farage and Co are turning people off.
Doubt it. Boris is a joke anyway, I doubt many Tories are put off by Gove (while Farage isn't even a Tory).
More likely many Tories simply respect Cameron and aren't going much more in depth than that.
I think it's more about the money.
Agreed, but the two are linked. Cameron is saying it will cost money, many Tories trust Cameron so believe that, they don't want to lose money, so they'll vote accordingly.
If they didn't trust Cameron then the money issue would be moot.
Blair is universally held to be an unspeakable piece of filth. His reputation can't get any lower, it's already at absolute zero.
Sir Richard Dearlove speaks out for Brexit and a few weeks later has his reputation and judgement trashed by Chilcot... looks like a Remain conspiracy.
I'd expect The Express to go for the full 77 million: h ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/734118653323513856
At some point LEAVE decided to abandon the economy because comedy, and instead start screaming "They're coming! They're coming" like a drunk outside a train station.
Out of interest, is this people who say they voted Tory in 2015 or people who give a Tory voting intention right now?
Current Tory VI, 2015 Tories are generally more Leavers than Remainers, sometimes by quite some distance.
Thus showing that Cameron's behaviour has turned off a large number of people who voted for him last year.
He's toast whatever happens next month.
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Sceptical Remainer ? Theresa May ?
Or Philip Hammond. Osborne needs Remain to win by 60%+ to secure the leadership, Boris, Fox, Gove and Patel really need Leave to win. If Remain win narrowly May or Hammond are well placed
I would say that Hammond was not an especially sceptical REMAINer. Does he want it? I'm not sure - he seems a bit of a plodder to me. Theresa May is more obviously positioning herself - supports REMAIN but says little about it. Boris would do well to support Theresa against Osborne. Time is on his side and he needs to demonstrate competence in a senior cabinet role.
I think May is in pole position IMHO.
Neither Cameron
Gove could but I'm not sure he wants it and he knows his public image is awful; he understands he might cost the Tories the election.
Right now, a Theresa May premiership with Gove as her number two (either as Chancellor or Foreign Secretary) is probably the only thing that could keep me in the party.
I think the sooner Cameron and Osborne go the better.
May has hardly done a good job as Home Secretary so I cannot see it being her.
She's the only one who take immigration seriously. That is going to continue to be a problem if we stay. Gove has become the intellectual godfather for Leave.
If the Tories have neither at the top, and don't offer something solid to hope for on Europe and immigration, then they will start to hollow out.
They might win GE2020 anyway but will be in real trouble as soon as Labour sort themselves out.
May has been completely house trained by the Home Office civil servants.
I know what you mean.
I don't think I've ever been more politically depressed.
I don't think I know where to turn to, or who to support, who actually advocates and will fight for what I believe in anymore.
I would say blackwash, but that sounds a bit racialist, so I will go with Luuvie-Wash...
Blackwash was what the Windies did to the English cricket team in the 80s
Quite a few years ago as a teenager I played quite high level cricket, I was involved in a charity match and I didn't know the make up of the opposition team.
I was told that several of them were running late, and I got talking to his lovely old lady on the boundary, who was sat their doing her knitting....suddenly the sun became blocked out and I looked up to see a gentleman who she addressed as her son...turned out the late arrival who was doing a great job as sunshade was one Mr Joel Garner.
I would say blackwash, but that sounds a bit racialist, so I will go with Luuvie-Wash...
Blackwash was what the Windies did to the English cricket team in the 80s
Quite a few years ago as a teenager I played quite high level cricket, I was involved in a charity match and I didn't know the make up of the opposition team.
I was told that several of them were running late, and I got talking to his lovely old lady on the boundary, who was sat their doing her knitting....suddenly the sun became blocked out and I looked up to see a gentleman who she addressed as her son...turned out the late arrival who was doing a great job as sunshade was one Mr Joel Garner.
Helmet check, arm guard check, ....riot shield...
That's a match you want to be run out without facing a ball isn't it
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
I'd expect The Express to go for the full 77 million: h ttps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/734118653323513856
At some point LEAVE decided to abandon the economy because comedy, and instead start screaming "They're coming! They're coming" like a drunk outside a train station.
I would say blackwash, but that sounds a bit racialist, so I will go with Luuvie-Wash...
Blackwash was what the Windies did to the English cricket team in the 80s
Quite a few years ago as a teenager I played quite high level cricket, I was involved in a charity match and I didn't know the make up of the opposition team.
I was told that several of them were running late, and I got talking to his lovely old lady on the boundary, who was sat their doing her knitting....suddenly the sun became blocked out and I looked up to see a gentleman who she addressed as her son...turned out the late arrival who was doing a great job as sunshade was one Mr Joel Garner.
Helmet check, arm guard check, ....riot shield...
That's a match you want to be run out without facing a ball in isn't it
Him and his mum were right sweeties....I have no idea what all those English batsman were crapping themselves over ;-)
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
The poll gives us GB figures. On that basis the Tories are down 2.8% and Labour are down 1.2%. The Tory lead looks a bit on the high side compared with other recent polls.
The Tory lead is pretty par for the course in most polls, smaller but almost entirely because of Tory voters shifting to UKIP, not because of any gains being made by Labour
Not really. ICM and MORI have the Tories 2% lead. Apparently the unpublished YouGov poll has Labour 4/5% ahead. Last month Opinium came up with a Tory lead of 8% which was not at all reflected in the May 5th elections.
Yes really. Labour have barely led in a poll this year and in the May 5th elections they fell further back in Scotland and their only significant gains were in London which voted Labour at the general election anyway. The vote was largely held in urban areas so that UKIP's total underestimated its support, although they made gains in Wales. Comres this month is similar to Opinium, Tory 36, Lab 30, LD 8, UKIP 17 http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/independent-sunday-mirror-may-2016-poll/
Comres and Opinium also predicted the general election result far better than ICM and Mori
I have to say test cricket isn't really the same without those terrific super quicks. Not just the West Indies legends, but the likes of Donald, Lee, Younis, etc.
I really seeing Donald vs Atherton at Trent Bridge, where Atherton stuck in for hours. It was the best day of test cricket I have witnessed, as I was pretty much right behind Donald's arm and it was terrifying from 80 yards away watching the white lightening hurl them down at way over 90mph.
I think the only thing that has come close is having great seats to watch a the fastest pitcher ever in MLB....a guy called Aroldis Chapman...I think his top speed is 106 mph.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
It would be a very small party. Most of those voting for Remain are doing so out of fear not because they like the EU. Real TPDs like yourself are fairly rare.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
No, you wouldn't be.
Edit: "pro-EU", what happened to your "heart is for Leave" ?
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
CON got 38% of the GB vote at the 2015 GE (37.8% to be precise); LAB 31% (31.2%).
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
It would be a very small party. Most of those voting for Remain are doing so out of fear not because they like the EU. Real TPDs like yourself are fairly rare.
Brexit, and full UK independence, is the only thing that would finally end Tory splits on Europe, IMHO.
The political divide within the Tory party would then be on what level of immigration we should accept, and a creative tension on social policy.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
No, you wouldn't be.
Edit: "pro-EU", what happened to your "heart is for Leave" ?
I saw what Leave entailed it wasn't very appealing.
I spent most of today at the cricket with one of Brexit friends.
He kept on plugging away, reminding me of my views on the French, and asking did I really want to be in a union with lot?
They ignored the Treaty of Troyes, and they'll ignore Dave's deal too.
Epithets like 'a nation of collaborators' were also mentioned.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
It would be a very small party. Most of those voting for Remain are doing so out of fear not because they like the EU. Real TPDs like yourself are fairly rare.
It would end up like the Canadian Progressive Conservative Party with the Leavers + UKIP forming a UK style Reform Party (which eventually took over the former too)
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
No, you wouldn't be.
Edit: "pro-EU", what happened to your "heart is for Leave" ?
I saw what Leave entailed it wasn't very appealing.
I spent most of today at the cricket with one of Brexit friends.
He kept on plugging away, reminding me of my views on the French, and asking did I really want to be in a union with lot?
They ignored the Treaty of Troyes, and they'll ignore Dave's deal too.
Epithets like 'a nation of collaborators' were also mentioned.
It's very appealing; you just didn't want to go against Dave.
I wish Portillo would say what he really thinks (although I don't think he's ever been supportive of any Tory leader, to be fair, since he was rejected):
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
CON got 38% of the GB vote at the 2015 GE (37.8% to be precise); LAB 31% (31.2%).
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
No, you wouldn't be.
Edit: "pro-EU", what happened to your "heart is for Leave" ?
I saw what Leave entailed it wasn't very appealing.
I spent most of today at the cricket with one of Brexit friends.
He kept on plugging away, reminding me of my views on the French, and asking did I really want to be in a union with lot?
They ignored the Treaty of Troyes, and they'll ignore Dave's deal too.
Epithets like 'a nation of collaborators' were also mentioned.
It's very appealing; you just didn't want to go against Dave.
I wish Portillo would say what he really thinks (although I don't think he's ever been supportive of any Tory leader, to be fair, since he was rejected): twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/733697252984770561
I thought Portillo was spot on with this analysis.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
Isn't this a classic case of media management? Dramatic headlines etc. When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
Maybe, I do wonder if Corbyn will use Chilcot to expel Blair from the Labour Party. That'll keep the Momentum mob happy.
I can see that working quite well for Jezza. Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too. Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq? Stick him on the list as well.
Us Pro-EU one nation Tory moderates may also be expelled from the Tory Party in the event of Brexit, I can see a new political party forming.
No, you wouldn't be.
Edit: "pro-EU", what happened to your "heart is for Leave" ?
I saw what Leave entailed it wasn't very appealing.
I spent most of today at the cricket with one of Brexit friends.
He kept on plugging away, reminding me of my views on the French, and asking did I really want to be in a union with lot?
They ignored the Treaty of Troyes, and they'll ignore Dave's deal too.
Epithets like 'a nation of collaborators' were also mentioned.
Does that make you an unenthusiastic remainer or a Europhile?
Incidentally, I didn't think your friends remarks were likely to convince anyone.
I could raise him the stand of the French army at Lille despite being pointless to allow the evacuation of Dunkirk and similar actions at Boulogne.
That said the EU is bonkers and despite having a generally good view of France, Germany Holland etc still think the best thing to do is to vote out.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
CON got 38% of the GB vote at the 2015 GE (37.8% to be precise); LAB 31% (31.2%).
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
CON got 38% of the GB vote at the 2015 GE (37.8% to be precise); LAB 31% (31.2%).
Well when you're comparing with GB opinion polls, you need to use GB election results to compare apples with apples.
The general election result was generally recorded based on UK figures, the fact some polls choose to use GB only figures and samples is up to them (the NI Conservative Party actually won 1.3% of the vote in NI last May)
Looking at the Mail, didn't/doesn't Tesco have a recruiting office in Poland? And I think I understand Marks and Spencer's view on salaries. And I am not sure about Sainsbury's - "we have added water to your pork chops for added succulence" - "premium pork sausage meat contains turkey dust and added fat". Would it be so bad if Amazon took over?
I was looking at some background on research for politica campaigns and I came accross 'dog whistling' and Lynton Crosby. He had the scruples of Ronald Kray. The ethical damage he's done across three continents is unbelievable. I found reading about him such an assault on the senses I gave up. These ugly racist dog whistles ought to teach Cameron that these things can be played by anyone
Whether done through the EU or NATO, Europe needs to take on more of the burden of defence in its own backyard as the Americans are becoming more reluctant to do so, particularly if Trump is elected president in November
I was looking at some background on research for politica campaigns and I came accross 'dog whistling' and Lynton Crosby. He had the scruples of Ronald Kray. The ethical damage he's done across three continents is unbelievable. I found reading about him such an assault on the senses I gave up. These ugly racist dog whistles ought to teach Cameron that these things can be played by anyone
Sorry, and I to understand that Cameron et al are complaining about Lynton whistling to dogs because he is on the other side this time?
Brussels has said they wish to put troops into Greece to safeguard the borders of the EU, whether or not the Greek government agrees. That's the reality of the EU army, or they would be exercising in Poland.
“I like what Donald has done,” he said in an interview with CBS’s “Sunday Morning.” “He’s turning America upside down, he’s awakening the country. “We need a lot of that,” he added.
Nicklaus said that Trump’s “not stupid” and that he will eventually learn to be more polished like other politicians.
Whether done through the EU or NATO, Europe needs to take on more of the burden of defence in its own backyard as the Americans are becoming more reluctant to do so, particularly if Trump is elected president in November
Thats maybe so but we have been constantly assured by Remain that there is not and never will be an EU army..... When in reality there actually is. So they now have an army, a currency and even a national anthem?. A lot of people are in for one hell of a wake up call when remain wins that's for sure.
If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck..........it's a fucking duck
Whether done through the EU or NATO, Europe needs to take on more of the burden of defence in its own backyard as the Americans are becoming more reluctant to do so, particularly if Trump is elected president in November
Thats maybe so but we have been constantly assured by Remain that there is not and never will be an EU army..... When in reality there actually is. So they now have an army, a currency and even a national anthem?. A lot of people are in for one hell of a wake up call when remain wins that's for sure.
If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck..........it's a fucking duck
Does the duck have a tootbrush moustache and march with a goosestep?
Whether done through the EU or NATO, Europe needs to take on more of the burden of defence in its own backyard as the Americans are becoming more reluctant to do so, particularly if Trump is elected president in November
Thats maybe so but we have been constantly assured by Remain that there is not and never will be an EU army..... When in reality there actually is. So they now have an army, a currency and even a national anthem?. A lot of people are in for one hell of a wake up call when remain wins that's for sure.
If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck..........it's a fucking duck
I am kind of looking forward to Remain winning for this very reason. The pathetic excuses will be most entertaining.
I was looking at some background on research for politica campaigns and I came accross 'dog whistling' and Lynton Crosby. He had the scruples of Ronald Kray. The ethical damage he's done across three continents is unbelievable. I found reading about him such an assault on the senses I gave up. These ugly racist dog whistles ought to teach Cameron that these things can be played by anyone
Sorry, and I to understand that Cameron et al are complaining about Lynton whistling to dogs because he is on the other side this time?
PMSL.
Tw*t.
No. I am saying he's reaping what he's sown though that doesn't excuse what Leave are doing at the moment. It's self defeating anyway. Most people find this sort of politics pretty unappealing as Michael Howard found out
Whether done through the EU or NATO, Europe needs to take on more of the burden of defence in its own backyard as the Americans are becoming more reluctant to do so, particularly if Trump is elected president in November
Thats maybe so but we have been constantly assured by Remain that there is not and never will be an EU army..... When in reality there actually is. So they now have an army, a currency and even a national anthem?. A lot of people are in for one hell of a wake up call when remain wins that's for sure.
If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck..........it's a fucking duck
Well there is a currency but we are not in it, there is a national anthem but we only play it at the Ryder Cup, an army maybe
I was looking at some background on research for politica campaigns and I came accross 'dog whistling' and Lynton Crosby. He had the scruples of Ronald Kray. The ethical damage he's done across three continents is unbelievable. I found reading about him such an assault on the senses I gave up. These ugly racist dog whistles ought to teach Cameron that these things can be played by anyone
Sorry, and I to understand that Cameron et al are complaining about Lynton whistling to dogs because he is on the other side this time?
PMSL.
Tw*t.
No. I am saying he's reaping what he's sown though that doesn't excuse what Leave are doing at the moment. It's self defeating anyway. Most people find this sort of politics pretty unappealing as Michael Howard found out
I think the problem is that leave are not addressing the issues. If they were they may be getting closer.
It is depresing the leave troops too. That said I hear they are doing well in Sussex apart from leafy Champagne socialist areas.
Certain amount of desperation from Vote Leave. It'll be interesting to see what hapens to thse ministers wh are currently trashing their reputations if Remain wins with any sort of margin. How can Gove and Mordant work with any of these countries again?
Good to see Mike in the MSM - suspect the Observer pays better than we do!
I wonder if the apparent gentle swing to the status quo is something particularly natural to a type of Conservative voter who simply wants a quiet life. My mum was a bit like that - voted Tory for many years (until the unquietist Mrs T came along) because she felt they'd just quietly run things without a lot of fuss or changes. If the general impression of the campain is that Brexit would be a bit exciting but a bit scary, that type of voters will edge away from it.
Yes. It is quite common when canvassing to come across people who say they voted Labour under Blair but have drifted away since. The idea that Blair is universally reviled is wrong. And he remains the most electorally successful leader of any party in the modern era.
Certain amount of desperation from Vote Leave. It'll be interesting to see what hapens to thse ministers wh are currently trashing their reputations if Remain wins with any sort of margin. How can Gove and Mordant work with any of these countries again?
This is deep hypocrisy from Remain, who played on anti-Albanian stereotypes when Gove listed Albania as one of five European countries with free trade with the EU.
Has VoteLeave confirmed where these hospitals are going to be built?
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
Many on the Leave side are decent and principled enough to call out misuse of figures on either side. However, no-one major on the Remain side has criticised the dodgy £4,300 figure, the ISIS support Brexit nonsense, the three million jobs deception or the migrant camps in Kent claim. It just shows how the lack of intellectual honesty is ubiquitous among EU supporters.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
The poll gives us GB figures. On that basis the Tories are down 2.8% and Labour are down 1.2%. The Tory lead looks a bit on the high side compared with other recent polls.
The Tory lead is pretty par for the course in most polls, smaller but almost entirely because of Tory voters shifting to UKIP, not because of any gains being made by Labour
Not really. ICM and MORI have the Tories 2% lead. Apparently the unpublished YouGov poll has Labour 4/5% ahead. Last month Opinium came up with a Tory lead of 8% which was not at all reflected in the May 5th elections.
Yes really. Labour have barely led in a poll this year and in the May 5th elections they fell further back in Scotland and their only significant gains were in London which voted Labour at the general election anyway. The vote was largely held in urban areas so that UKIP's total underestimated its support, although they made gains in Wales. Comres this month is similar to Opinium, Tory 36, Lab 30, LD 8, UKIP 17 http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/independent-sunday-mirror-may-2016-poll/
Comres and Opinium also predicted the general election result far better than ICM and Mori
The NEV calculated by Rallings & Thrasher was Lab 33 Con 32 - a far cry from last month's Opinium or Comres Online. It is also clear from this week's Comres Phone poll tables that they have the parties neck and neck - possibly a 1% Tory lead. Mark Senior pointed out that the YouGov EU referendum poll included Voting Intention figures which he thought indicated a 6% Labour lead. Having looked at the tables I can see what he means - though the lead may be only 4/5%.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
CON got 38% of the GB vote at the 2015 GE (37.8% to be precise); LAB 31% (31.2%).
Well when you're comparing with GB opinion polls, you need to use GB election results to compare apples with apples.
The general election result was generally recorded based on UK figures, the fact some polls choose to use GB only figures and samples is up to them (the NI Conservative Party actually won 1.3% of the vote in NI last May)
Not so - you will find that ALL the pollsters use GB figures. I am sure that OGH will confirm this.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
So UKIP shot up and Leave fell?
In this Opinium poll compared with the April one, there were small shifts to REMAIN among those with Labour VI (1-point swing), LibDem (2.5), and Green (also 2.5), as well as the 4.5-point swing among the CON-intending voters (a slightly smaller band of voters than last month, as mentioned).
Going the other way were UKIP voters (2-point swing to LEAVE) and SNP voters (5.5-point swing to LEAVE - now 41% REMAIN, 35% LEAVE, although this was a small sub-sample of 71 voters after weighting. The poll in March showed a split of 58R/27L among SNP voters; in April it was 50R/33L).
Has VoteLeave confirmed where these hospitals are going to be built?
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
Many on the Leave side are decent and principled enough to call out misuse of figures on either side. However, no-one major on the Remain side has criticised the dodgy £4,300 figure, the ISIS support Brexit nonsense, the three million jobs deception or the migrant camps in Kent claim. It just shows how the lack of intellectual honesty is ubiquitous among EU supporters.
Both sides spew utter shit, constantly.
Remain says every family will lose £4,300 a year, ISIS welcomes Brexit, that house prices will collapse, that there'll be no trade deals, and we'll lose £200bn in investment and trade.
Leave says Turkey will join the EU, that the TTIP will result in the privatisation of the NHS, that we'll magically be able to keep terrorists out the UK post EU, and that the EU will grant all our wishes for access to the single market without any cost.
The idea that any of Gove*, Johnson, Farage, Osborne or Cameron has done anything other than diminish their reputations is laughable.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
The poll gives us GB figures. On that basis the Tories are down 2.8% and Labour are down 1.2%. The Tory lead looks a bit on the high side compared with other recent polls.
The Tory lead is pretty par for the course in most polls, smaller but almost entirely because of Tory voters shifting to
Yes really. Labour have barely led in a poll this year and in the May 5th elections they fell further back in Scotland and their only significant gains were in London which voted Labour at the general election anyway. The vote was largely held in urban areas so that UKIP's total underestimated its support, although they made gains in Wales. Comres this month is similar to Opinium, Tory 36, Lab 30, LD 8, UKIP 17 http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/independent-sunday-mirror-may-2016-poll/
Comres and Opinium also predicted the general election result far better than ICM and Mori
The NEV calculated by Rallings & Thrasher was Lab 33 Con 32 - a far cry from last month's Opinium or Comres Online. It is also clear from this week's Comres Phone poll tables that they have the parties neck and neck - possibly a 1% Tory lead. Mark Senior pointed out that the YouGov EU referendum poll included Voting Intention figures which he thought indicated a 6% Labour lead. Having looked at the tables I can see what he means - though the lead may be only 4/5%.
The BBC had Labour on 31% but either way what is evidently clear is that Labour made virtually no progress in the local elections at all, in fact the biggest gainers were the LDs and it is clear that some voters went back to voting for the LDs at local level even if they will vote Tory at the general election. At the general election the main shift is Tory to UKIP, again Labour virtually unchanged since last May.
Not one poll in recent months has Labour ahead and your refusal to accept the actual polling figures eg from Comres Tory 36, Lab 30, UKIP 17 this month will do nothing to change that
Has VoteLeave confirmed where these hospitals are going to be built?
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
Many on the Leave side are decent and principled enough to call out misuse of figures on either side. However, no-one major on the Remain side has criticised the dodgy £4,300 figure, the ISIS support Brexit nonsense, the three million jobs deception or the migrant camps in Kent claim. It just shows how the lack of intellectual honesty is ubiquitous among EU supporters.
Both sides spew utter shit, constantly.
Remain says every family will lose £4,300 a year, ISIS welcomes Brexit, that house prices will collapse, that there'll be no trade deals, and we'll lose £200bn in investment and trade.
Leave says Turkey will join the EU, that the TTIP will result in the privatisation of the NHS, that we'll magically be able to keep terrorists out the UK post EU, and that the EU will grant all our wishes for access to the single market without any cost.
The idea that any of Gove*, Johnson, Farage, Osborne or Cameron has done anything other than diminish their reputations is laughable.
* Gove has been OK. But he's about the only one.
Yes. It has been popcorn time for those of us who dislike both factions of the Tories.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
CON got 38% of the GB vote at the 2015 GE (37.8% to be precise); LAB 31% (31.2%).
Well when you're comparing with GB opinion polls, you need to use GB election results to compare apples with apples.
The general election result was generally recorded based on UK figures, the fact some polls choose to use GB only figures and samples is up to them (the NI Conservative Party actually won 1.3% of the vote in NI last May)
"Some" polls? From memory, there were about two thousand polls on voting intention between 2010 and 2015, but the number of those polls that included NI were...exactly one. To be fair to the pollsters, they always said it was GB-only.
One pleasing development is that many of the UK Referendum polls are UK wide.
Has VoteLeave confirmed where these hospitals are going to be built?
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
Many on the Leave side are decent and principled enough to call out misuse of figures on either side. However, no-one major on the Remain side has criticised the dodgy £4,300 figure, the ISIS support Brexit nonsense, the three million jobs deception or the migrant camps in Kent claim. It just shows how the lack of intellectual honesty is ubiquitous among EU supporters.
Both sides spew utter shit, constantly.
Remain says every family will lose £4,300 a year, ISIS welcomes Brexit, that house prices will collapse, that there'll be no trade deals, and we'll lose £200bn in investment and trade.
Leave says Turkey will join the EU, that the TTIP will result in the privatisation of the NHS, that we'll magically be able to keep terrorists out the UK post EU, and that the EU will grant all our wishes for access to the single market without any cost.
The idea that any of Gove*, Johnson, Farage, Osborne or Cameron has done anything other than diminish their reputations is laughable.
* Gove has been OK. But he's about the only one.
Gove had done very well. So have Priti Patel and Dominic Raab, which is why Cameron is manouvering to exlude them in the next reshuffle. Meanwhile he will promote Liz Truss and Stephen Crabb who happily stood in front of the £4,300 posters as they were released. They have also trashed their reputations by repeating Osborne's lies.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
The poll gives us GB figures. On that basis the Tories are down 2.8% and Labour are down 1.2%. The Tory lead looks a bit on the high side compared with other recent polls.
The Tory lead is pretty par for the course in most polls, smaller but almost entirely because of Tory voters shifting to
Yes really. Labour have barely led in a poll this year and in the May 5th elections they fell further back in Scotland and their only significant gains were in London which voted Labour at the general election anyway. The vote was largely held in urban areas so that UKIP's total underestimated its support, although they made gains in Wales. Comres this month is similar to Opinium, Tory 36, Lab 30, LD 8, UKIP 17 http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/independent-sunday-mirror-may-2016-poll/
Comres and Opinium also predicted the general election result far better than ICM and Mori
The NEV calculated by Rallings & Thrasher was Lab 33 Con 32 - a far cry from last month's Opinium or Comres Online. It is also clear from this week's Comres Phone poll tables that they have the parties neck and neck - possibly a 1% Tory lead. Mark Senior pointed out that the YouGov EU referendum poll included Voting Intention figures which he thought indicated a 6% Labour lead. Having looked at the tables I can see what he means - though the lead may be only 4/5%.
The BBC had Labour on 31% but either way what is evidently clear is that Labour made virtually no progress in the local elections at all, in fact the biggest gainers were the LDs and it is clear that some voters went back to voting for the LDs at local level even if they will vote Tory at the general election. At the general election the main shift is Tory to UKIP, again Labour virtually unchanged since last May.
Not one poll in recent months has Labour ahead and your refusal to accept the actual polling figures eg from Comres Tory 36, Lab 30, UKIP 17 this month will do nothing to change that
I think you will find that in two consecutive months YouGov put Labour 3% ahead. Apparently they have another poll showing a somewhat bigger Labour lead. In Wales Labour did actually win four Assembly seats that had voted Tory a year earlier!
Has VoteLeave confirmed where these hospitals are going to be built?
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
They'll be unstaffed anyway after all the foreign medics are sent packing
No.
The issue with migration is unskilled European labour not skilled non EU labour. Aside from the fact that there are conventions which would be honoured on not throwing out people who are here legally already.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
CON got 38% of the GB vote at the 2015 GE (37.8% to be precise); LAB 31% (31.2%).
Well when you're comparing with GB opinion polls, you need to use GB election results to compare apples with apples.
The general election result was generally recorded based on UK figures, the fact some polls choose to use GB only figures and samples is up to them (the NI Conservative Party actually won 1.3% of the vote in NI last May)
"Some" polls? From memory, there were about two thousand polls on voting intention between 2010 and 2015, but the number of those polls that included NI were...exactly one. To be fair to the pollsters, they always said it was GB-only.
One pleasing development is that many of the UK Referendum polls are UK wide.
Yes well that is the pollsters fault not mine, the general election is UK wide not just GB, if they choose to ignore 3% of the country that is up to them, hopefully the referendum polls will be a sign of things to come
Has VoteLeave confirmed where these hospitals are going to be built?
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
Many on the Leave side are decent and principled enough to call out misuse of figures on either side. However, no-one major on the Remain side has criticised the dodgy £4,300 figure, the ISIS support Brexit nonsense, the three million jobs deception or the migrant camps in Kent claim. It just shows how the lack of intellectual honesty is ubiquitous among EU supporters.
Both sides spew utter shit, constantly.
Remain says every family will lose £4,300 a year, ISIS welcomes Brexit, that house prices will collapse, that there'll be no trade deals, and we'll lose £200bn in investment and trade.
Leave says Turkey will join the EU, that the TTIP will result in the privatisation of the NHS, that we'll magically be able to keep terrorists out the UK post EU, and that the EU will grant all our wishes for access to the single market without any cost.
The idea that any of Gove*, Johnson, Farage, Osborne or Cameron has done anything other than diminish their reputations is laughable.
* Gove has been OK. But he's about the only one.
Yes. It has been popcorn time for those of us who dislike both factions of the Tories.
Nick Clegg made himself a laughing stock for similar reasons with the three million jobs myth several years back.
Worth noting the Westminster Voting Intentions of the Opinium poll (change on last time in brackets):
Conservatives 35 (-3) Labour 30 (-) Ukip 18 (+3) Lib Dems 5 (-) SNP 6 (+1) Green 5 (-) Others 2 (-)
Tories down 2 since the election, LDs down 3, UKIP up 5, Labour unchanged, SNP up 1, Greens up 1. So the main shift Tory to UKIP and LDs to Greens, UKIP and SNP. Confirms why present Tory voters are shifting to Remain as some Leavers have shifted to UKIP
CON got 38% of the GB vote at the 2015 GE (37.8% to be precise); LAB 31% (31.2%).
Well when you're comparing with GB opinion polls, you need to use GB election results to compare apples with apples.
The general election result was generally recorded based on UK figures, the fact some polls choose to use GB only figures and samples is up to them (the NI Conservative Party actually won 1.3% of the vote in NI last May)
Not so - you will find that ALL the pollsters use GB figures. I am sure that OGH will confirm this.
Has VoteLeave confirmed where these hospitals are going to be built?
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
Many on the Leave side are decent and principled enough to call out misuse of figures on either side. However, no-one major on the Remain side has criticised the dodgy £4,300 figure, the ISIS support Brexit nonsense, the three million jobs deception or the migrant camps in Kent claim. It just shows how the lack of intellectual honesty is ubiquitous among EU supporters.
Both sides spew utter shit, constantly.
Remain says every family will lose £4,300 a year, ISIS welcomes Brexit, that house prices will collapse, that there'll be no trade deals, and we'll lose £200bn in investment and trade.
Leave says Turkey will join the EU, that the TTIP will result in the privatisation of the NHS, that we'll magically be able to keep terrorists out the UK post EU, and that the EU will grant all our wishes for access to the single market without any cost.
The idea that any of Gove*, Johnson, Farage, Osborne or Cameron has done anything other than diminish their reputations is laughable.
* Gove has been OK. But he's about the only one.
Gove had done very well. So have Priti Patel and Dominic Raab, which is why Cameron is manouvering to exlude them in the next reshuffle. Meanwhile he will promote Liz Truss and Stephen Crabb who happily stood in front of the £4,300 posters as they were released. They have also trashed their reputations by repeating Osborne's lies.
You are suffering, my friend, from cognitive dissonance. How is their behaviour any different from those who parrot the claim that Turkey will join the EU? (Something that is - essentially - impossible.)
Has VoteLeave confirmed where these hospitals are going to be built?
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
Many on the Leave side are decent and principled enough to call out misuse of figures on either side. However, no-one major on the Remain side has criticised the dodgy £4,300 figure, the ISIS support Brexit nonsense, the three million jobs deception or the migrant camps in Kent claim. It just shows how the lack of intellectual honesty is ubiquitous among EU supporters.
Both sides spew utter shit, constantly.
Remain says every family will lose £4,300 a year, ISIS welcomes Brexit, that house prices will collapse, that there'll be no trade deals, and we'll lose £200bn in investment and trade.
Leave says Turkey will join the EU, that the TTIP will result in the privatisation of the NHS, that we'll magically be able to keep terrorists out the UK post EU, and that the EU will grant all our wishes for access to the single market without any cost.
The idea that any of Gove*, Johnson, Farage, Osborne or Cameron has done anything other than diminish their reputations is laughable.
* Gove has been OK. But he's about the only one.
It's notable that most of Remain's claims, including the £4,300 loss of GDP per household, are sourced and have been calculated according to some sort of methodology. I don't think any of Leave's claims have been quantified, which, I would contand, makes Remain's claims somewhat less shit on the whole that Leave's claims.
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I, for one, welcome our new EU overlords.
Not.
Just look how massively the economy has shifted in Remain's favour in recent polls.
I'm gravely disappointed in Michael Gove
I don't think I've ever been more politically depressed.
I don't think I know where to turn to, or who to support, who actually advocates and will fight for what I believe in anymore.
I was told that several of them were running late, and I got talking to his lovely old lady on the boundary, who was sat their doing her knitting....suddenly the sun became blocked out and I looked up to see a gentleman who she addressed as her son...turned out the late arrival who was doing a great job as sunshade was one Mr Joel Garner.
Helmet check, arm guard check, ....riot shield...
Truly savage for Jack Straw.
Dramatic headlines etc.
When the report gets published, nothing justifies the headlines and we all shrug and move on.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/britain-first-leicester_uk_574091dae4b00006e9aeb50f?edition=uk
Not my cup of tea, but I just said no thanks to their leaflets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB3D3Sn1fzc
Add Straw, Hoon and Campbell too.
Didn't Brown just before his coronation say something along the lines that he would have done exactly the same as Blair vis a vis Iraq?
Stick him on the list as well.
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/independent-sunday-mirror-may-2016-poll/
Comres and Opinium also predicted the general election result far better than ICM and Mori
I really seeing Donald vs Atherton at Trent Bridge, where Atherton stuck in for hours. It was the best day of test cricket I have witnessed, as I was pretty much right behind Donald's arm and it was terrifying from 80 yards away watching the white lightening hurl them down at way over 90mph.
I think the only thing that has come close is having great seats to watch a the fastest pitcher ever in MLB....a guy called Aroldis Chapman...I think his top speed is 106 mph.
Edit: "pro-EU", what happened to your "heart is for Leave" ?
Yes, Opinium point out that the move to REMAIN among CON voters is partly due to leakage of CON VI to UKIP.
http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/political-polling-17th-may-2016
The political divide within the Tory party would then be on what level of immigration we should accept, and a creative tension on social policy.
I spent most of today at the cricket with one of Brexit friends.
He kept on plugging away, reminding me of my views on the French, and asking did I really want to be in a union with lot?
They ignored the Treaty of Troyes, and they'll ignore Dave's deal too.
Epithets like 'a nation of collaborators' were also mentioned.
Hope you enjoyed the cricket.
Brexit group ‘appealing to prejudice’ with argument that Turkey’s accession to EU would put Britons at greater risk of crime
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/vote-leave-prejudice-turkey-eu-security-threat?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/733697252984770561
Bar the weather, the cricket was fab. We won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5zKbV1HXdU
Incidentally, I didn't think your friends remarks were likely to convince anyone.
I could raise him the stand of the French army at Lille despite being pointless to allow the evacuation of Dunkirk and similar actions at Boulogne.
That said the EU is bonkers and despite having a generally good view of France, Germany Holland etc still think the best thing to do is to vote out.
Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour has probably been killed in a US air strike, US officials say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36351990
PMSL.
Tw*t.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/734137518409568258
“I like what Donald has done,” he said in an interview with CBS’s “Sunday Morning.” “He’s turning America upside down, he’s awakening the country.
“We need a lot of that,” he added.
Nicklaus said that Trump’s “not stupid” and that he will eventually learn to be more polished like other politicians.
“I like the guy. He’s a good man and if he’s the one that’s on the ticket, I’ll be voting for him,” he said.
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/280788-jack-nicklaus-trump-is-awakening-the-country
If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck..........it's a fucking duck
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/12/06/prime-ministers-thatcher-best-brown-worst/
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/an-eu-army-destined-for-failure-of.html
It is depresing the leave troops too. That said I hear they are doing well in Sussex apart from leafy Champagne socialist areas.
https://twitter.com/sarahwollaston/status/734095104223379456
Or are we just going to keep building them until there's one on every street corner?
Someone ask Boris.
I wonder if the apparent gentle swing to the status quo is something particularly natural to a type of Conservative voter who simply wants a quiet life. My mum was a bit like that - voted Tory for many years (until the unquietist Mrs T came along) because she felt they'd just quietly run things without a lot of fuss or changes. If the general impression of the campain is that Brexit would be a bit exciting but a bit scary, that type of voters will edge away from it.
Going the other way were UKIP voters (2-point swing to LEAVE) and SNP voters (5.5-point swing to LEAVE - now 41% REMAIN, 35% LEAVE, although this was a small sub-sample of 71 voters after weighting. The poll in March showed a split of 58R/27L among SNP voters; in April it was 50R/33L).
Remain says every family will lose £4,300 a year, ISIS welcomes Brexit, that house prices will collapse, that there'll be no trade deals, and we'll lose £200bn in investment and trade.
Leave says Turkey will join the EU, that the TTIP will result in the privatisation of the NHS, that we'll magically be able to keep terrorists out the UK post EU, and that the EU will grant all our wishes for access to the single market without any cost.
The idea that any of Gove*, Johnson, Farage, Osborne or Cameron has done anything other than diminish their reputations is laughable.
* Gove has been OK. But he's about the only one.
One pleasing development is that many of the UK Referendum polls are UK wide.
Especially as it is against the Vienna convention on the law of treaties.
The issue with migration is unskilled European labour not skilled non EU labour. Aside from the fact that there are conventions which would be honoured on not throwing out people who are here legally already.