Mr. Enjineeya, castigating those with the temerity to disagree with you as being failures, rather than making an argument expounding the wonderfulness of the EU, is not a stellar argument.
This is a serious change of pace after the Twenty20 bashfest.
Refreshing isn't it? 13 from eight overs rather than 130! At least the openers survived the first half an hour. Have fun, those who are going to watch.
"Barry J. Marshall and Robin Warren, two Australian researchers who discovered the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and deciphered its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease, have been awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. 31 Oct 2005.
Yes, a fine piece of diligent (and daring!) research and a richly deserved Nobel Prize.
There is also a Nobel Prize and shedloads of cash waiting for any researcher who is able to come up with a better theory than AGW to explain the current warming of the Earth. No takers as yet, though.
It is very hard to come up with an alternative explanation for the fact of global warming.
You see, for the earth to be warming, it must now be receiving more energy in the form of solar radiation than it is emitting in the form of thermal radiation. We know that the output of the sun has not changed substantially, nor have the earth's orbital parameters changed, so we're still receiving the same amount of energy.
What has changed is the composition of the earth's atmosphere - it now contains 40% more CO2, a greenhouse gas, than it did before the industrial revolution. That is our smoking gun - the earth's temperature is rising because an increased level of greenhouse gases has reduced thermal radiation to space, so that the earth now receives more energy than it emits.
Can you think of a better explanation?
It is not necessary to come up.with an alternative explanation - at least not in pure scientific terms. All that is necessary us to show that the explanation proposed falls down based upon observation or experimentation. Given that there have been both higher and faster changes in global temperature during this interglacial the fact that we have such a change at the moment is no proof that it is due to current CO2 levels. We lack the observational data to support such a hypothesis.
Certainly the start of the interglacial was marked by a large and rapid rise in temperature - closely matched by a large rise in the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. However, I dispute your claim that there have been higher and faster changes in global temperature during this interglacial; what evidence is there for this?
Both the Bronze Age and Roman warming periods were faster and warmer than today. The Medieval warming period was warmer but appears to have been slower to develop.
I have shelves full of such papers - as well as those which support the AGW hypothesis. Getting them online is more problematic but these are at least a couple of examples.
Minister for Childcare and Early Years: Mark McDonald Minister for Further Education, Higher Education and Science: Shirley-Anne Somerville Minister for Parliamentary Business: Joe FitzPatrick Minister for Transport and the Islands: Humza Yousaf Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy: Paul Wheelhouse Minister for Employability and Training: Jamie Hepburn (Reporting to cabinet secretaries for economy and education) Minister for Public Health and Sport: Aileen Campbell Minister for Mental Health: Maureen Watt Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs: Annabelle Ewing Minister for Local Government & Housing: Kevin Stewart Minister for Social Security: Jeane Freeman Minister for International Development and Europe: Alasdair Allan
That’s 22 out of, what 60 or so! Do they all get extra salaries?
"Barry J. Marshall and Robin Warren, two Australian researchers who discovered the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and deciphered its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease, have been awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. 31 Oct 2005.
Yes, that's the way science should work. Of course just because you are out of line with the majority doesn't mean you are right, e.g. the MMR vaccine controversy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
"Barry J. Marshall and Robin Warren, two Australian researchers who discovered the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and deciphered its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease, have been awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. 31 Oct 2005.
Yes, a fine piece of diligent (and daring!) research and a richly deserved Nobel Prize.
There is also a Nobel Prize and shedloads of cash waiting for any researcher who is able to come up with a better theory than AGW to explain the current warming of the Earth. No takers as yet, though.
Mr. Royale, that Tapper fellow is right about value. Weird as it is to bet on things you think won't happen... *cough*Verstappen*cough*
Dr. Prasannan, pah! No.
Hannibal did his best work in his thirties and forties. Caesar hadn't even got going by then. Antigonus Monopthalmus hadn't either. Enrico Dandolo was conquering Byzantium in his 90s.
Forty, old? You'd have to be mad to think so.
Janacek only really got into his stride in his 60s.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
It wasn't Piggy, by the way, it was of course Ralph who mourned the loss of innocence.
Really? I have been astonishingly successful in everything I have done so far - with the one exception of political campaigns where I always seem to pick the losing side. But since I view politicians as slightly less attractive than scorpions (sorry NickP) I am not too concerned by that one dropped ball.
"Barry J. Marshall and Robin Warren, two Australian researchers who discovered the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and deciphered its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease, have been awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. 31 Oct 2005.
Yes, a fine piece of diligent (and daring!) research and a richly deserved Nobel Prize.
There is also a Nobel Prize and shedloads of cash waiting for any researcher who is able to come up with a better theory than AGW to explain the current warming of the Earth. No takers as yet, though.
That’s 22 out of, what 60 or so! Do they all get extra salaries?
Is the number of ministerial positions set (In either Holyrood or Westminster). If they aren't then you can simply get a waxing of the payroll vote at the taxpayer's expense...
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Well given that two eastern european couriers have made deliveries today, one a cheerful chappie and the other a dour soul (perhaps because he was delivering a massive amount of Vote Leave literature) I am sure UK citizens who might wish to become couriers could feel inclined to vote Out as well. I am not sure where such jobs fit within your elitist world view.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
It wasn't Piggy, by the way, it was of course Ralph who mourned the loss of innocence.
Really? I have been astonishingly successful in everything I have done so far - with the one exception of political campaigns where I always seem to pick the losing side. But since I view politicians as slightly less attractive than scorpions (sorry NickP) I am not too concerned by that one dropped ball.
Good for you! Take no notice of ludicrous psychobabble.
That’s 22 out of, what 60 or so! Do they all get extra salaries?
Is the number of ministerial positions set (In either Holyrood or Westminster). If they aren't then you can simply get a waxing of the payroll vote at the taxpayer's expense...
So that’s £48,228 as an MSP plus the ministerial salaries.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Well given that two eastern european couriers have made deliveries today, one a cheerful chappie and the other a dour soul (perhaps because he was delivering a massive amount of Vote Leave literature) I am sure UK citizens who might wish to become couriers could feel inclined to vote Out as well. I am not sure where such jobs fit within your elitist world view.
Culture profiling - an obsession of the modern Left.
It is not necessary to come up.with an alternative explanation - at least not in pure scientific terms. All that is necessary us to show that the explanation proposed falls down based upon observation or experimentation. Given that there have been both higher and faster changes in global temperature during this interglacial the fact that we have such a change at the moment is no proof that it is due to current CO2 levels. We lack the observational data to support such a hypothesis.
Certainly the start of the interglacial was marked by a large and rapid rise in temperature - closely matched by a large rise in the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. However, I dispute your claim that there have been higher and faster changes in global temperature during this interglacial; what evidence is there for this?
Both the Bronze Age and Roman warming periods were faster and warmer than today. The Medieval warming period was warmer but appears to have been slower to develop.
I have shelves full of such papers - as well as those which support the AGW hypothesis. Getting them online is more problematic but these are at least a couple of examples.
Thanks. Those look like interesting papers, but they don't actually dispute AGW, do they?
The first paper discusses variability in the temperature of Greenland snow, while the second is limited to changes in the French Alps. We know that the temperature of Greenland tends to swing all over the place, and Europe is also thought to undergo major regional changes in climate. Neither paper claims that these variations in climate were on a global scale, though, and nobody disputes that chaotic fluctuations in local climate occur.
As for the third paper, yes, climatologists are fully aware that small changes in solar output are likely to be responsible for triggering fluctuations in global temperature. By themselves, though, these fluctuations are far too small to account for the large changes global in temperature evident in the paloeclimatatic record. The corresponding fluctuations in CO2 very strongly suggest that greenhouse feedback was a major amplifying factor.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Well given that two eastern european couriers have made deliveries today, one a cheerful chappie and the other a dour soul (perhaps because he was delivering a massive amount of Vote Leave literature) I am sure UK citizens who might wish to become couriers could feel inclined to vote Out as well. I am not sure where such jobs fit within your elitist world view.
The crux of it for me is this.
Our homegrown can't compete here. Better educated, cheaper and more ambitious individuals from 27 countries are hogging the market, and driving down pay.
Remain is advocating a policy that discriminates against our own low/semi-skilled, they're encouraging an Under Class - and don't appear to care. These are surely mostly traditional Labour voters as was - or *losers* as @anothernick so colourfully described them.
Youth unemployment across the EU is frightening, and Remain aren't bothered.
I really don't understand how they can justify this. What are Labour on? No wonder Gisela said they were in danger of handing a huge slab of voters to UKIP.
If Tories were for Remain because they'd get loads of imported cheap labour that wilfully expanded the under-classes, Labour would be honking all day and night.
An alternative betting view, name checking politicalbetting.com, but not in a good way. He makes some interesting points but not sure if the way he does so is helpful to his case:
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Well given that two eastern european couriers have made deliveries today, one a cheerful chappie and the other a dour soul (perhaps because he was delivering a massive amount of Vote Leave literature) I am sure UK citizens who might wish to become couriers could feel inclined to vote Out as well. I am not sure where such jobs fit within your elitist world view.
I see no evidence that there are hordes of UK citizens queuing up to become couriers - unemployment is at a record low.
All the polling evidence shows that social groups ABC1 - society's winners - are overwhelmingly in favour of Remain. C2DE are in favour of Leave.
Can anyone name a national organisation representing any business, profession or trade association that favours Leave?
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
It wasn't Piggy, by the way, it was of course Ralph who mourned the loss of innocence.
Really? I have been astonishingly successful in everything I have done so far - with the one exception of political campaigns where I always seem to pick the losing side. But since I view politicians as slightly less attractive than scorpions (sorry NickP) I am not too concerned by that one dropped ball.
Good for you! Take no notice of ludicrous psychobabble.
If Richard chooses to self-identify as an Old Git, that's entirely his business :-)
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
This is going to turn into non competitive sports day isn't it?
Cobyn may be unassailable on the last thread, but he and Labour are on the road to nowhere.
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The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Well given that two eastern european couriers have made deliveries today, one a cheerful chappie and the other a dour soul (perhaps because he was delivering a massive amount of Vote Leave literature) I am sure UK citizens who might wish to become couriers could feel inclined to vote Out as well. I am not sure where such jobs fit within your elitist world view.
I see no evidence that there are hordes of UK citizens queuing up to become couriers - unemployment is at a record low.
All the polling evidence shows that social groups ABC1 - society's winners - are overwhelmingly in favour of Remain. C2DE are in favour of Leave.
Can anyone name a national organisation representing any business, profession or trade association that favours Leave?
Your categorising of lower social groups as 'losers' is highly pejorative. The quality of any decision or position taken is determined by its wisdom not the supposed intelligence and social superiority of those advocating it. There are countless examples of 'superior' people acting with utter foolishness.
Hmmm. I think they are taking the mickey out of you for other reasons.
@helenpidd: Really, Burnham? "It's hard growing up in the north: if you say you want to be a doctor, lawyer or MP you get the mickey taken out of you."
"prove" being the important word here....it would be like trying to "prove" to a flat earther that the world is round...no matter how much science, how many photos etc they will just declare not enough proof.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
The % of well educated, liberally minded Leavers here shows that one doesn't need to be thick, stupid and vulgar to want Brexit. And I say that as someone who loves Jeremy Kyle
It's not just that his late works were very good but that they were so varied and creative.
Titian also did some of his best work when he was old.
The idea that youth is best is nonsense on stilts. It takes a lifetime to learn to be good at anything and the best people - in any profession or craft - are those who realise how much they don't know, how much they have to learn and who are still learning, still curious, still questioning, right until the moment they die.
Some obvious exceptions e.g sport but generally this is more true than the opposite. One obvious thing you learn with experience is courage though it is sadly still not prevalent enough.
That’s 22 out of, what 60 or so! Do they all get extra salaries?
Is the number of ministerial positions set (In either Holyrood or Westminster). If they aren't then you can simply get a waxing of the payroll vote at the taxpayer's expense...
So that’s £48,228 as an MSP plus the ministerial salaries.
Hmmm. I think they are taking the mickey out of you for other reasons.
@helenpidd: Really, Burnham? "It's hard growing up in the north: if you say you want to be a doctor, lawyer or MP you get the mickey taken out of you."
What a tit.
This particular working class Lancastrian lawyer didn't get anything other than good wishes and respect.
That’s 22 out of, what 60 or so! Do they all get extra salaries?
Is the number of ministerial positions set (In either Holyrood or Westminster). If they aren't then you can simply get a waxing of the payroll vote at the taxpayer's expense...
So that’s £48,228 as an MSP plus the ministerial salaries.
O/O/D info on Wikipedia. Thanks for the correction.
An alternative betting view, name checking politicalbetting.com, but not in a good way. He makes some interesting points but not sure if the way he does so is helpful to his case:
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Well given that two eastern european couriers have made deliveries today, one a cheerful chappie and the other a dour soul (perhaps because he was delivering a massive amount of Vote Leave literature) I am sure UK citizens who might wish to become couriers could feel inclined to vote Out as well. I am not sure where such jobs fit within your elitist world view.
I see no evidence that there are hordes of UK citizens queuing up to become couriers - unemployment is at a record low.
All the polling evidence shows that social groups ABC1 - society's winners - are overwhelmingly in favour of Remain. C2DE are in favour of Leave.
Can anyone name a national organisation representing any business, profession or trade association that favours Leave?
Another way of looking at it is that those who do well out of the status quo and aren't bothered about politics aren't inclined to change it.
Those who don't and see political deficiencies in the way we are governed are.
Hmmm. I think they are taking the mickey out of you for other reasons.
@helenpidd: Really, Burnham? "It's hard growing up in the north: if you say you want to be a doctor, lawyer or MP you get the mickey taken out of you."
What a tit.
This particular working class Lancastrian lawyer didn't get anything other than good wishes and respect.
Hmmm. I think they are taking the mickey out of you for other reasons.
@helenpidd: Really, Burnham? "It's hard growing up in the north: if you say you want to be a doctor, lawyer or MP you get the mickey taken out of you."
An alternative betting view, name checking politicalbetting.com, but not in a good way. He makes some interesting points but not sure if the way he does so is helpful to his case:
Albert is shrewd but, on this occasion, ill-informed about what the bookies are up to.
I think he's right that there has been an overreaction to the Ipsos poll.
It's this bit I take issue with:
[B]ookmakers are taking positions with 'Remain'. It is likely that Ladbrokes and William Hill have £1m+ liabilities on a 'Leave' win. There are plenty of Leave backers out there, but generally the layers are not prepared to make commensurate changes to their odds when accommodating them. This means their prices don't actually represent market sentiment, but their own trading floor views.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Well given that two eastern european couriers have made deliveries today, one a cheerful chappie and the other a dour soul (perhaps because he was delivering a massive amount of Vote Leave literature) I am sure UK citizens who might wish to become couriers could feel inclined to vote Out as well. I am not sure where such jobs fit within your elitist world view.
I see no evidence that there are hordes of UK citizens queuing up to become couriers - unemployment is at a record low.
All the polling evidence shows that social groups ABC1 - society's winners - are overwhelmingly in favour of Remain. C2DE are in favour of Leave.
Can anyone name a national organisation representing any business, profession or trade association that favours Leave?
Your categorising of lower social groups as 'losers' is highly pejorative. The quality of any decision or position taken is determined by its wisdom not the supposed intelligence and social superiority of those advocating it. There are countless examples of 'superior' people acting with utter foolishness.
A majority of those at the Wannsee Conference had doctorates.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
This is going to turn into non competitive sports day isn't it?
We're all winners here. Even the losers.
The more I see of Remainers, the more I think it would do them a power of good to be losers for once. They do seem all too often to express the views of people who have had life handed to them on a plate - and hate the notion of anything that would put that at risk...
There are few dilemmas so tormentingly difficult to resolve as which of two dinosaur books to buy a nephew.
Edited extra bit: but now I've decided, I need (well, want) another book to push me over the free delivery threshold. This is not aiding my productivity.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
This is going to turn into non competitive sports day isn't it?
We're all winners here. Even the losers.
The more I see of Remainers, the more I think it would do them a power of good to be losers for once. They do seem all too often to express the views of people who have had life handed to them on a plate - and hate the notion of anything that would put that at risk...
Are you really saying life was handed to me on a plate? I'm a working class Northener.
Cobyn may be unassailable on the last thread, but he and Labour are on the road to nowhere.
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That's about the same as Milliband, IDS and Hague tended to get. So not a good sign, but also not unprecedentedly bad.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
This is going to turn into non competitive sports day isn't it?
We're all winners here. Even the losers.
The more I see of Remainers, the more I think it would do them a power of good to be losers for once. They do seem all too often to express the views of people who have had life handed to them on a plate - and hate the notion of anything that would put that at risk...
Are you really saying life was handed to me on a plate? I'm a working class Northener.
"Deep down you may still be that same great kid you used to be. But it's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you!"
There are few dilemmas so tormentingly difficult to resolve as which of two dinosaur books to buy a nephew.
Edited extra bit: but now I've decided, I need (well, want) another book to push me over the free delivery threshold. This is not aiding my productivity.
Get both dinosaur books, give him the other one at Christmas.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
This is going to turn into non competitive sports day isn't it?
We're all winners here. Even the losers.
The more I see of Remainers, the more I think it would do them a power of good to be losers for once. They do seem all too often to express the views of people who have had life handed to them on a plate - and hate the notion of anything that would put that at risk...
Are you really saying life was handed to me on a plate? I'm a working class Northener.
I said you expressed the views of those who have had life handed to them on a plate. But if you want to play Four Yorkshiremen....
There are few dilemmas so tormentingly difficult to resolve as which of two dinosaur books to buy a nephew.
Edited extra bit: but now I've decided, I need (well, want) another book to push me over the free delivery threshold. This is not aiding my productivity.
I've a bit of a thing for glove puppets, my proudest was bought in Utah's Hogel zoo. A fantastic pterodactyl.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
snip.
The more I see of Remainers, the more I think it would do them a power of good to be losers for once. They do seem all too often to express the views of people who have had life handed to them on a plate - and hate the notion of anything that would put that at risk...
Are you really saying life was handed to me on a plate? I'm a working class Northener.
I said you expressed the views of those who have had life handed to them on a plate. But if you want to play Four Yorkshiremen....
I was under the impression that TSE's dad was a doctor. And a very successful one.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Well given that two eastern european couriers have made deliveries today, one a cheerful chappie and the other a dour soul (perhaps because he was delivering a massive amount of Vote Leave literature) I am sure UK citizens who might wish to become couriers could feel inclined to vote Out as well. I am not sure where such jobs fit within your elitist world view.
I see no evidence that there are hordes of UK citizens queuing up to become couriers - unemployment is at a record low.
All the polling evidence shows that social groups ABC1 - society's winners - are overwhelmingly in favour of Remain. C2DE are in favour of Leave.
Can anyone name a national organisation representing any business, profession or trade association that favours Leave?
Your categorising of lower social groups as 'losers' is highly pejorative.
Of course - I am being provocative. You can define winners and losers in many different ways. But many people (Tories especially you would think) define winners as the rich and those in upper social groups.
Has anyone found a representative organisation of a business, trade or profession in favour of Leave yet?
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
This is going to turn into non competitive sports day isn't it?
We're all winners here. Even the losers.
The more I see of Remainers, the more I think it would do them a power of good to be losers for once. They do seem all too often to express the views of people who have had life handed to them on a plate - and hate the notion of anything that would put that at risk...
Are you really saying life was handed to me on a plate? I'm a working class Northener.
I said you expressed the views of those who have had life handed to them on a plate. But if you want to play Four Yorkshiremen....
Unlike Leave who are led by the Old Etonian and Oxford educated former editor of the Spectator or the Dulwich educated former City trader?
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to their own shortcomings. This leads them place the blame for their perceived lack of success on some form of collusion against them, thus giving rise to a mentality that is conditioned to reject any form of authoritative information. It's one step down from full-blown conspiracy theorist.
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
PB certainly doesn't bear that theory out. Most (I would say all, but I'm sure there are one or two I'm forgetting) of what I would think of as PB's most successful members career-wise support Leave. Perhaps it's because they're socially confident and financially self-sufficient enough to back the cause they see as having right on its side.
Some noted Remainers here (not all) seem to have something they want to gain, in terms of patronage etc.
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
This is going to turn into non competitive sports day isn't it?
We're all winners here. Even the losers.
The more I see of Remainers, the more I think it would do them a power of good to be losers for once. They do seem all too often to express the views of people who have had life handed to them on a plate - and hate the notion of anything that would put that at risk...
Are you really saying life was handed to me on a plate? I'm a working class Northener.
I said you expressed the views of those who have had life handed to them on a plate. But if you want to play Four Yorkshiremen....
Unlike Leave who are led by the Old Etonian and Oxford educated former editor of the Spectator or the Dulwich educated former City reader ?
They are prepared to come out of their comfort zone though....
The Common Market became the Economic Community became the European Union, just as Global Warming became Climate Change. And if we have an ice age next year, it will become Climate Instability (keep bringing in the research money, whatever you do).
Why do the Old Gits tend to be Leavers? Experience-related cynicism? We've seen it all before. When you're had several governments say "Don't worry, we can always change the direction of travel" and then either fail, or fail to try, you do tend to lose your North Korean levels of enthusiasm.
In some ways it's a pity. As Piggy laments in the William Golding novel ... "He cried for their loss of innocence."
We'll look back in a few years time and say. "Ah, bless, they had no idea, did they?"
My hypothesis is that Old Gits tend to be anti-EU and anti-AGW because they have been less successful in life than they would have liked, but are unable to accept that this is due to
I think there's a lot in that. The social groups most likely to support Leave are primarily those who (unkindly perhaps) could be characterised as society's losers. Poorer, less educated, insecure lower-level jobs.
Not unkindly. Inaccurately.
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
This is going to turn into non competitive sports day isn't it?
We're all winners here. Even the losers.
The more I see of Remainers, the more I think it would do them a power of good to be losers for once. They do seem all too often to express the views of people who have had life handed to them on a plate - and hate the notion of anything that would put that at risk...
Are you really saying life was handed to me on a plate? I'm a working class Northener.
I said you expressed the views of those who have had life handed to them on a plate. But if you want to play Four Yorkshiremen....
Unlike Leave who are led by the Old Etonian and Oxford educated former editor of the Spectator or the Dulwich educated former City reader ?
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There is also a Nobel Prize and shedloads of cash waiting for any researcher who is able to come up with a better theory than AGW to explain the current warming of the Earth. No takers as yet, though.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL049444/abstract
Glacial melting in Early Bronze age and Roman periods.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379114000511
I would also recommend this paper from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/23/12433.full
I have shelves full of such papers - as well as those which support the AGW hypothesis. Getting them online is more problematic but these are at least a couple of examples.
Of course just because you are out of line with the majority doesn't mean you are right, e.g. the MMR vaccine controversy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/public-is-losing-faith-in-george-osborne-s-grip-on-economy-finds-poll-a3252021.html
28,568 for the Junior Ministers That’s 22 out of, what 60 or so! Do they all get extra salaries?
Is the number of ministerial positions set (In either Holyrood or Westminster). If they aren't then you can simply get a waxing of the payroll vote at the taxpayer's expense...
So that’s £48,228 as an MSP plus the ministerial salaries.
Oh, and lay the draw. Nothing more than a brief shower forecast for the next five days.
It's not just that his late works were very good but that they were so varied and creative.
The first paper discusses variability in the temperature of Greenland snow, while the second is limited to changes in the French Alps. We know that the temperature of Greenland tends to swing all over the place, and Europe is also thought to undergo major regional changes in climate. Neither paper claims that these variations in climate were on a global scale, though, and nobody disputes that chaotic fluctuations in local climate occur.
As for the third paper, yes, climatologists are fully aware that small changes in solar output are likely to be responsible for triggering fluctuations in global temperature. By themselves, though, these fluctuations are far too small to account for the large changes global in temperature evident in the paloeclimatatic record. The corresponding fluctuations in CO2 very strongly suggest that greenhouse feedback was a major amplifying factor.
Our homegrown can't compete here. Better educated, cheaper and more ambitious individuals from 27 countries are hogging the market, and driving down pay.
Remain is advocating a policy that discriminates against our own low/semi-skilled, they're encouraging an Under Class - and don't appear to care. These are surely mostly traditional Labour voters as was - or *losers* as @anothernick so colourfully described them.
Youth unemployment across the EU is frightening, and Remain aren't bothered.
I really don't understand how they can justify this. What are Labour on? No wonder Gisela said they were in danger of handing a huge slab of voters to UKIP.
If Tories were for Remain because they'd get loads of imported cheap labour that wilfully expanded the under-classes, Labour would be honking all day and night.
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/733248451090190336
https://twitter.com/tom_ComRes/status/733249462240464896
https://twitter.com/ComResPolls/status/733247764826599424
All the polling evidence shows that social groups ABC1 - society's winners - are overwhelmingly in favour of Remain. C2DE are in favour of Leave.
Can anyone name a national organisation representing any business, profession or trade association that favours Leave?
I refuse to allow "loser" to be added to the plethora of insults Leavers have to suffer. I know plenty of Brexiteers who are life's winners. Often self-made too.
It would be just as valid to suggest that Remainers were all life's scaredy-cats, those who wouldn't say boo to a goose, all those who can't cope with change because they are safely stuck in a groove.
No, I don't think that either.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3597273/EU-rules-force-British-officials-choose-handing-secret-intelligence-terror-suspects-letting-walk-Britain-unchallenged.html
We're all winners here. Even the losers.
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"Labour is ready to form the next Government":
Agree: 27%
Disagree: 63%
(via Ipsos Mori)
@helenpidd: Really, Burnham? "It's hard growing up in the north: if you say you want to be a doctor, lawyer or MP you get the mickey taken out of you."
Go on, say it.
Then explain how 40+ years of the EEC --> EU has elevated them from being life's losers....
The idea that youth is best is nonsense on stilts. It takes a lifetime to learn to be good at anything and the best people - in any profession or craft - are those who realise how much they don't know, how much they have to learn and who are still learning, still curious, still questioning, right until the moment they die.
Some obvious exceptions e.g sport but generally this is more true than the opposite. One obvious thing you learn with experience is courage though it is sadly still not prevalent enough.
This particular working class Lancastrian lawyer didn't get anything other than good wishes and respect.
Had I said I wanted to be an MP, then maybe...
O/O/D info on Wikipedia. Thanks for the correction.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
Those who don't and see political deficiencies in the way we are governed are.
Burnham never fails to unimpress.
[B]ookmakers are taking positions with 'Remain'. It is likely that Ladbrokes and William Hill have £1m+ liabilities on a 'Leave' win. There are plenty of Leave backers out there, but generally the layers are not prepared to make commensurate changes to their odds when accommodating them. This means their prices don't actually represent market sentiment, but their own trading floor views.
Which doesn't remotely square with this tweet, nor my own experience.
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/732173264978608128
Edited extra bit: but now I've decided, I need (well, want) another book to push me over the free delivery threshold. This is not aiding my productivity.
Oxford student who demanded removal of Rhodes statues insists he has no regrets about making waitress cry because he was 'disrupting whiteness'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3598391/Oxford-student-demanded-removal-Rhodes-statues-insists-no-regrets-making-waitress-cry-disrupting-whiteness.html
That's about the same as Milliband, IDS and Hague tended to get. So not a good sign, but also not unprecedentedly bad.
Ipsos-MORI Standard poll finds satisfaction with Corbyn down from 38% to 31%, while dissatisfaction up from 43% to 50%
Ipsos-MORI Standard poll finds leader with the highest level of satisfaction is Nigel Farage with 36% satisfied and 41% dissatisfied.
Also, I had a very small stake.
Also also, we aren't all wealthy to an obscene degree. If you want me to have more money to spend, buy a thousand hardbacks of Sir Edric.
Has anyone found a representative organisation of a business, trade or profession in favour of Leave yet?
Some noted Remainers here (not all) seem to have something they want to gain, in terms of patronage etc.
Fnarr fnarr
Lets let the £30 on the Lanka ride for the moment