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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,369






    Hmm. Blairite "Positive Politics" in Broxtowe to Momentum. Quite some journey.

    Well, they're actually requiring people to sign up to positive politics. Partly I just want to rally round in case of any attempt at an anti-Corbyn coup. But in any case it feels a bit like coming home.
    Do you have a link to momentums agenda? I would be genuinely interested. I left the Labour party more than a decade ago but could be tempted back by the right policies. I didn't like New Labours NHS or war policies, but approved of their commitment to sound finances, which they held to when I was a member.
    Yes, the general "positive politics" stuff is here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/ethics

    and the more detailed objectives are here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/about

    McDonnell is possibly the closest fit for you - he's keen on the anti-austerity, anti-war agenda but (possibly because of his job) is more convinced than anyone on the left that Labour needs to match that with sound finances, since without that he thinks none of the rest will get heard.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    SeanT said:


    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    I'm not sure that's entirely right. I don't think Cameron or Blair are, or were, declinists, or lacking faith in Britain. Cameron genuinely thinks it is in our economic interests to be inside, and Blair genuinely thought we could lead the EU, alongside Berlin and Paris, if only we committed to it.

    Quite possibly - quite probably - they are both deluded, and warped by their desire to play on a larger stage, but I don't think they are insincere.

    That's a fair, nuanced comment.

    Are you feeling quite well?
    I have a very lovely new girlfriend. It has induced uncharacteristic fits of niceness. She is young and flighty, however, so if and when she chucks me, I will surely revert to type.
    Is this the WWC part time special constable/PCSO who was a little bit UKIP'py?
    No, we split. This is a new one. She's quite leftwing and Millennial and says "Patriarchy" a lot.

    Oddly exciting.
    No offence, but anyone who frequently says Patriarchy, is a member of the twatriarchy.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2016
    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    At the 2012 local elections Labour were 9% ahead. If they're now 5% behind that's a 7% swing to the Tories.

    No sign of that in the local byelections which have not gone well for the Tories of late. On your figures Yougov's 3% Labour lead would imply a 3% swing to the Tories since 2012 - but a 2% swing to Labour from 2011 which was the same point in the 2010 Parliament.

    It may be that individual by-elections are more affected by personalities and local issues compared with when people are voting en masse on the first Thursday in May.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659

    SeanT said:


    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:



    I'm not sure that's entirely right. I don't think Cameron or Blair are, or were, declinists, or lacking faith in Britain. Cameron genuinely thinks it is in our economic interests to be inside, and Blair genuinely thought we could lead the EU, alongside Berlin and Paris, if only we committed to it.

    Quite possibly - quite probably - they are both deluded, and warped by their desire to play on a larger stage, but I don't think they are insincere.

    That's a fair, nuanced comment.

    Are you feeling quite well?
    I have a very lovely new girlfriend. It has induced uncharacteristic fits of niceness. She is young and flighty, however, so if and when she chucks me, I will surely revert to type.
    Is this the WWC part time special constable/PCSO who was a little bit UKIP'py?
    No, we split. This is a new one. She's quite leftwing and Millennial and says "Patriarchy" a lot.

    Oddly exciting.
    No offence, but anyone who frequently says Patriarchy, is a member of the twatriarchy.
    :-)
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548






    Hmm. Blairite "Positive Politics" in Broxtowe to Momentum. Quite some journey.

    Well, they're actually requiring people to sign up to positive politics. Partly I just want to rally round in case of any attempt at an anti-Corbyn coup. But in any case it feels a bit like coming home.
    Do you have a link to momentums agenda? I would be genuinely interested. I left the Labour party more than a decade ago but could be tempted back by the right policies. I didn't like New Labours NHS or war policies, but approved of their commitment to sound finances, which they held to when I was a member.
    Yes, the general "positive politics" stuff is here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/ethics

    and the more detailed objectives are here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/about

    McDonnell is possibly the closest fit for you - he's keen on the anti-austerity, anti-war agenda but (possibly because of his job) is more convinced than anyone on the left that Labour needs to match that with sound finances, since without that he thinks none of the rest will get heard.
    I have to say that McDonnell has been impressive. He has a certain discipline that looks rather effective.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,141

    SeanT said:

    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    matt said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cameron's ratings are going down the toilet. There is residual loyalty for him among Conservatives, but it's evaporating.

    .

    The smiles and laughter looked genuine, which made it worse.
    Cameron's only in the Conservative party because of his background.

    If it had been a bit more Hampsteady and a bit less rural/financial then he would have happily been New Labour or LibDem.

    To summarise then, if David Cameron were a different person, he would be a different person.
    N
    Socially I would agree with you but Cameron and Osborne are both on the right in economic policy. And that is the way I for one like it.
    Wh

    Largely true. And both Blair & Brown and Cam & Oz relied on a bubble in property prices to drive the economy. The one major difference, perhaps, is that the Tories have actually tried to slim the state, but arguably Blair was the same with PFIs etc.

    They are all centrists.
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    That's why Hilton quit. Explained more in this excellent book, which I read inside 60 hours over Christmas (not showing off, just it was that gripping and good):

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cameron-10-Inside-Story-2010-2015/dp/0007575513
    It's interesting that Hilton has a positive view of Trump.
    Steve Hilton understands Trump - and Sanders - bit different, but he explains it extremely well here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqry875bIbo

    Steve Hilton is an absolute hero. I've always liked him. His book "More Human" is excellent. I'd recommend it to anyone.

    I'd totally vote for that.

    I wish they ran the Tory party. Here's hoping Hilton/Gove inherit the earth.
    That was interesting.

    I'll look out for the book.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    SeanT said:

    justin124 said:

    SeanT said:

    justin124 said:

    SeanT said:

    justin124 said:

    SeanT said:

    ON topic, those Com Res results are piss poor for Labour. They would easily be ten-fifteen points ahead with a good leader.


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    They are hopelessly poor results in the context of the Tories tearing themselves into tiny pieces over Europe, the entire rightwing going into revolt, Cameron's ratings collapsing, and so forth.

    Early Blair would have a 20 point lead over this Tory party. Corbyn still manages to be five points BEHIND.

    If you can't see how ominous this is, for Labour, then you might as well give up this politics lark.

    Look YouGov - even after pro - Tory adjustments - has just given Labour a 3% lead. Let us see what Ipsos Mori and Comres Phone come up with over the next few days. I predict that both will be less favourable for the Tories than this poll. At the beginning of the year Comres Online was giving the Tories 14/15% leads - so at least the trend is consistent.
    Doesn
    The worst thing about these slightly-better-than-dreadful polls is the painfully false hope they offer sensible lefties. Thus ensuring Corbyn will avoid any dethronement, and continue to 2020.
    Yes - but we are nowhere near midterm -which will not be here until the beginning of 2017 at the earliest.The first year of a Parliament is rarely the most difficult for a re-elected Government. Remember Blair took over in mid-1994 over two years into the 1992 Parliament and inherited a big lead built up under John Smith. I am no Corbyn fan, have no wish to see him in place in 2020 and am far from convinced that he will be. That said, we are also a very long way from the 20 - 25% Tory leads that quite a few on here were predicting last Summer /early Autumn.
    Yes, but these are uniquely difficult circumstances for the Tories - visibly and horribly split on THE issue which has killed them for decades. Everyone can see they are openly warring with each other, before the referendum.

    Labour should have commanding leads.





    But Europe - and everything that goes with it - is not the salient issue that so many in the Westminster village would have us believe. I would accept that if open divisions continue well after the Referendum into 2017 things should become very difficult for the Tories - we can only await events there. Also worth bearing in the mind that the emergence of UKIP has created an alternative for the disillusioned anti - Government vote which makes it more difficult for the major Opposition party to open up a very big lead.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Steve Hilton on Joe rogan podcast from a couple of years ago is really interesting.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    But Europe - and everything that goes with it - is not the salient issue that so many in the Westminster village would have us believe. I would accept that if open divisions continue well after the Referendum into 2017 things should become very difficult for the Tories - we can only await events there. Also worth bearing in the mind that the emergence of UKIP has created an alternative for the disillusioned anti - Government vote which makes it more difficult for the major Opposition party to open up a very big lead.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Scott_P said:

    @Adam_Ludlow: @stephenkb it's the scores of Tory voters that are most interesting - they still massively prefer Cameron over Boris https://t.co/FHeeiiT8l7

    But, but, but, that's not what the PB Bexit Brain Trust said...

    Current Tory VI or 2015 Tory voters? It makes a bit of a difference!
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,924

    I guess I could easily wind up TSE by modifying the "Be LEAVE" message by going:

    Hitler believed in a European superstate.

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!

    :trollface:

    Churchill was in favour of a united European superstate.

    Mind you the bugger was also in favour of The UK and France becoming one united, single country.

    Bloody treasonous talk if you ask me.
    Ah, but you see in his famous speech in Zurich, Churchill stated that we should be friends with a United Europe, implying that Britain should be outside, and stick with its Commonwealth associations.

    http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html

    How times change. Now all our Commonwealth friends want us to stay in the EU. The conservative Australian Foreign Minister (Julie Bishop) called Brexit a fantasy of the British Right which is predominantly what it always has been .
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Current Tory VI or 2015 Tory voters? It makes a bit of a difference!

    Current Tory VI (average) 36.2%

    2015 Tory voters 36.9%

    That difference is Yoooooooooge...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,141
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:


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    Tosh. We have had a significant fall in government spending as a share of GDP since 2010.
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5326/economics/government-spending/

    This has been achieved despite more spending on debt interest. The actual increase in government spending has virtually stopped. it is a clear and sharp difference from the policies pursued up to 2010.


    This is not an accident. It is a consequence of a different view of the role of the state, the desirability of making people more self-sufficient and the desirability of people spending their own money rather than the government spending it for them.
    Yawn.

    As I said they support cuts to Labour voting blocs but subsidise consumerism in Conservative voting blocs eg triple lock pensions.

    Perhaps you'd like to explain why government borrowing is so much higher than Osborne said it would be ?

    Or why when Osborne promised to rebalance the economy towards 'exports and savings' the UK's current account is at a record high and savings ratio is at a record low.

    Or why Osborne's proclaimed 'March of the Makers' has been a march backwards.

    Still house prices are up aren't they.

    Rising house prices and government subsidised welfare consumerism for friendly voting blocs.

    Just as it was in the Blair era, the only difference is that the friendly voting blocs are different.

    And why should anyone be surprised - Blair was the inspiration to Cameron and Osborne and they saw nothing wrong with the economy of a decade ago. On the contrary they promised to maintain Labour's spending levels and to 'share the proceeds of growth'.

    The only problem being there isn't enough growth to subsidise the required level of welfare consumerism.

    So the magic money tree has been used instead.
    This is too boring for words. Find a new tune, this is seriously dull and pointless.
    You disappoint me, I never thought you were yet another bleating cheerleader with an aversion to inconvenient facts.

    Here are some more:

    Predicted Borrowing
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn

    Actual Borrowing
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £121bn
    2013/14 £103bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 ???

    On Thursday we get to replace the ??? with another inconvenient fact.

    If Brown or Balls had a record like that you would be full of condemnation but because Osborne wears the same colour rosette as you do you claim it is all 'dull and pointless'.

    Very disappointing.

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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,141






    Hmm. Blairite "Positive Politics" in Broxtowe to Momentum. Quite some journey.

    Well, they're actually requiring people to sign up to positive politics. Partly I just want to rally round in case of any attempt at an anti-Corbyn coup. But in any case it feels a bit like coming home.
    Do you have a link to momentums agenda? I would be genuinely interested. I left the Labour party more than a decade ago but could be tempted back by the right policies. I didn't like New Labours NHS or war policies, but approved of their commitment to sound finances, which they held to when I was a member.
    Yes, the general "positive politics" stuff is here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/ethics

    and the more detailed objectives are here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/about

    McDonnell is possibly the closest fit for you - he's keen on the anti-austerity, anti-war agenda but (possibly because of his job) is more convinced than anyone on the left that Labour needs to match that with sound finances, since without that he thinks none of the rest will get heard.
    I have to say that McDonnell has been impressive. He has a certain discipline that looks rather effective.
    I'm not sure waving Mao's Little Red Book was effective.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Mail on Sunday have new tales of wittingdale & another woman.
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    The Treasury is primed to publish a barrage of statistics showing the economic merits of Britain’s membership of the EU this week, ahead of a controversial intervention by President Barack Obama in the campaign.

    It is understood that officials are preparing to make public a “comprehensive assessment of the costs and benefits of membership” as the in/out battle starts in earnest. A similar study by Treasury officials in the run-up to last year’s Scottish independence referendum saw the then first minister, Alex Salmond, accuse Whitehall of “trying to cook the books”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/16/treasury-statistics-broadside-brexit-obama-referendum?CMP=twt_gu
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Anyone putting any trust in the 5% Conservative lead over Labour in the Comres poll should look at the detailed figures including turnout weighting
    VI numbers Labour 615 voters Conservative 520 voters
    after all weighting
    Labour 376 voters Conservative 438 voters

    and Comres wonder why the polls were wrong in 2015
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    At the 2012 local elections Labour were 9% ahead. If they're now 5% behind that's a 7% swing to the Tories.

    No sign of that in the local byelections which have not gone well for the Tories of late. On your figures Yougov's 3% Labour lead would imply a 3% swing to the Tories since 2012 - but a 2% swing to Labour from 2011 which was the same point in the 2010 Parliament.

    Hang on a minute, this year's local elections are to be compared with 2012 not 2011 because the local elections are on a 4 year cycle in most cases.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    The Treasury is primed to publish a barrage of statistics showing the economic merits of Britain’s membership of the EU this week, ahead of a controversial intervention by President Barack Obama in the campaign.

    It is understood that officials are preparing to make public a “comprehensive assessment of the costs and benefits of membership” as the in/out battle starts in earnest. A similar study by Treasury officials in the run-up to last year’s Scottish independence referendum saw the then first minister, Alex Salmond, accuse Whitehall of “trying to cook the books”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/16/treasury-statistics-broadside-brexit-obama-referendum?CMP=twt_gu

    Naught but Europhile Quisling Traitor Pig-Dog Propaganda :)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Unlike the previous one, this story actually looks relevant, if the headline is accurate. I guess they didn't know about it before, as it seems much more substantive.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548






    Hmm. Blairite "Positive Politics" in Broxtowe to Momentum. Quite some journey.

    Well, they're actually requiring people to sign up to positive politics. Partly I just want to rally round in case of any attempt at an anti-Corbyn coup. But in any case it feels a bit like coming home.
    Do you have a link to momentums agenda? I would be genuinely interested. I left the Labour party more than a decade ago but could be tempted back by the right policies. I didn't like New Labours NHS or war policies, but approved of their commitment to sound finances, which they held to when I was a member.
    Yes, the general "positive politics" stuff is here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/ethics

    and the more detailed objectives are here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/about

    McDonnell is possibly the closest fit for you - he's keen on the anti-austerity, anti-war agenda but (possibly because of his job) is more convinced than anyone on the left that Labour needs to match that with sound finances, since without that he thinks none of the rest will get heard.
    I have to say that McDonnell has been impressive. He has a certain discipline that looks rather effective.
    I'm not sure waving Mao's Little Red Book was effective.

    I have a copy given to me by my Grandfather with the words "there's a lot of sense in this". Strangely he voted Conservative but always espoused far left views.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    edited April 2016

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
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    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:


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    Tosh. We have had a significant fall in government spending as a share of GDP since 2010.
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5326/economics/government-spending/

    This has been achieved despite more spending on debt interest. The actual increase in government spending has virtually stopped. it is a clear and sharp difference from the policies pursued up to 2010.


    This is not an accident. It is a consequence of a different view of the role of the state, the desirability of making people more self-sufficient and the desirability of people spending their own money rather than the government spending it for them.
    Yawn.

    As I said they support cuts to Labour voting blocs but subsidise consumerism in Conservative voting blocs eg triple lock pensions.

    Perhaps you'd like to explain why government borrowing is so much higher than Osborne said it would be ?

    Or why when Osborne promised to rebalance the economy towards 'exports and savings' the UK's current account is at a record high and savings ratio is at a record low.

    Or why Osborne's proclaimed 'March of the Makers' has been a march backwards.

    Still house prices are up aren't they.

    Rising house prices and government subsidised welfare consumerism for friendly voting blocs.

    Just as it was in the Blair era, the only difference is that the friendly voting blocs are different.

    And why should anyone be surprised - Blair was the inspiration to Cameron and Osborne and they saw nothing wrong with the economy of a decade ago. On the contrary they promised to maintain Labour's spending levels and to 'share the proceeds of growth'.

    The only problem being there isn't enough growth to subsidise the required level of welfare consumerism.

    So the magic money tree has been used instead.
    This is too boring for words. Find a new tune, this is seriously dull and pointless.
    You disappoint me, I never thought you were yet another bleating cheerleader with an aversion to inconvenient facts.

    Here are some more:

    Predicted Borrowing
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn

    Actual Borrowing
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £121bn
    2013/14 £103bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 ???


    What's 70-80 billion difference between friends?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    kle4 said:

    Unlike the previous one, this story actually looks relevant, if the headline is accurate. I guess they didn't know about it before, as it seems much more substantive.
    My guess is there's more to come about his other one too. It'll come out in the wash after he's gone.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,269
    edited April 2016
    For the chop surely?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048






    Hmm. Blairite "Positive Politics" in Broxtowe to Momentum. Quite some journey.

    Well, they're actually requiring people to sign up to positive politics. Partly I just want to rally round in case of any attempt at an anti-Corbyn coup. But in any case it feels a bit like coming home.
    Do you have a link to momentums agenda? I would be genuinely interested. I left the Labour party more than a decade ago but could be tempted back by the right policies. I didn't like New Labours NHS or war policies, but approved of their commitment to sound finances, which they held to when I was a member.
    Yes, the general "positive politics" stuff is here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/ethics

    and the more detailed objectives are here:
    http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/about

    McDonnell is possibly the closest fit for you - he's keen on the anti-austerity, anti-war agenda but (possibly because of his job) is more convinced than anyone on the left that Labour needs to match that with sound finances, since without that he thinks none of the rest will get heard.
    I have to say that McDonnell has been impressive. He has a certain discipline that looks rather effective.
    I'm not sure waving Mao's Little Red Book was effective.

    Strangely he voted Conservative but always espoused far left views.
    A lot more common than people expect, I should imagine. I find people expressing pretty far right views, but who are staunch anti-Tories, insistent they themselves are on the left, with some frequency (in as much as one finds any self proclaimed lefties here in the Shires)
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,141
    I'm struggling to get interested in this.

    LibDem sex scandals were so much more interesting.

    Perhaps they should use that when campaigning - "Vote LibDem for better sex scandals".

    Its a better slogan than anything Farron has come up with.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Probably commercially sensitive more than anything else.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Who gives a stuff about John Whittingdale's sex life?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Unlike the previous one, this story actually looks relevant, if the headline is accurate. I guess they didn't know about it before, as it seems much more substantive.
    My guess is there's more to come about his other one too. It'll come out in the wash after he's gone.
    That may well be true, given this follow up, although at the time, with no hint of further stories to come (IIRC, and that's something you'd think they'd trail), it was still a nonsense story. They may have gotten lucky given this new report.
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    As I said the other day

    Remainers = Wholesome, sweet and innocent people

    Leavers = Colossal perverts
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited April 2016
    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    As I said the other day

    Remainers = Wholesome, sweet and innocent people

    Leavers = Colossal perverts

    How dare you?! My perversions are run of the mill, not colossal, thank you very much.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    I'm struggling to get interested in this.

    LibDem sex scandals were so much more interesting.

    Perhaps they should use that when campaigning - "Vote LibDem for better sex scandals".

    Its a better slogan than anything Farron has come up with.
    "LibDems - Shagging Here!"
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401

    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.

    TSE, surely you won't deprive us of our fix of AV?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:


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    Tosh. We have had a significant fall in government spending as a share of GDP since 2010.
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5326/economics/government-spending/

    This has been achieved despite more spending on debt interest. The actual increase in government spending has virtually stopped. it is a clear and sharp difference from the policies pursued up to 2010.


    This is not an accident. It is a consequence of a different view of the role of the state, the desirability of making people more self-sufficient and the desirability of people spending their own money rather than the government spending it for them.
    Yawn.

    As I said they support cuts to Labour voting blocs but subsidise consumerism in Conservative voting blocs eg triple lock pensions.

    Perhaps you'd like to explain why government borrowing is so much higher than Osborne said it would be ?

    Or why when Osborne promised to rebalance the economy towards 'exports and savings' the UK's current account is at a record high and savings ratio is at a record low.

    Or why Osborne's proclaimed 'March of the Makers' has been a march backwards.

    Still house prices are up aren't they.

    Rising house prices and government subsidised welfare consumerism for friendly voting blocs.

    Just as it was in the Blair era, the only difference is that the friendly voting blocs are different.

    And why should anyone be surprised - Blair was the inspiration to Cameron and Osborne and they saw nothing wrong with the economy of a decade ago. On the contrary they promised to maintain Labour's spending levels and to 'share the proceeds of growth'.

    The only problem being there isn't enough growth to subsidise the required level of welfare consumerism.

    So the magic money tree has been used instead.
    This is too boring for words. Find a new tune, this is seriously dull and pointless.
    You disappoint me, I never thought you were yet another bleating cheerleader with an aversion to inconvenient facts.

    Here are some more:

    Predicted Borrowing
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn

    Actual Borrowing
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £121bn
    2013/14 £103bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 ???


    What's 70-80 billion difference between friends?
    About 70-80 billion.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    As I said the other day

    Leavers = Wholesome, sweet and innocent people

    Remainers = Quisling Traitor Pig-Dogs

    :)

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449
    edited April 2016
    AndyJS said:

    Who gives a stuff about John Whittingdale's sex life?

    TSE?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401
    kle4 said:

    Unlike the previous one, this story actually looks relevant, if the headline is accurate. I guess they didn't know about it before, as it seems much more substantive.
    I agree. If this stacks up, he's finished. This is what Petraeus got into trouble over.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    edited April 2016
    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    Silly as it may seem, it probably does come down to if the photo contained something visibly important. If it's a blurred photo of paper saying 'Cabinet - top secret' or something, with no actual information, well then it's really just a political dick pic, showing off to impress, but without harm.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Can you have an "affair", let alone a second one, if you are unmarried?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.

    Teresa May!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:


    .

    .
    Tosh. We have had a significant fall in government spending as a share of GDP since 2010.
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5326/economics/government-spending/

    This has been achieved despite more spending on debt interest. The actual increase in government spending has virtually stopped. it is a clear and sharp difference from the policies pursued up to 2010.


    This is not an accident. It is a consequence of a different view of the role of the state, the desirability of making people more self-sufficient and the desirability of people spending their own money rather than the government spending it for them.
    Yawn.

    As I said they support cuts to Labour voting blocs but subsidise consumerism in Conservative voting blocs eg triple lock pensions.

    Perhaps you'd like to explain why government borrowing is so much higher than Osborne said it would be ?

    Or why when Osborne promised to rebalance the economy towards 'exports and savings' the UK's current account is at a record high and savings ratio is at a record low.

    Or why Osborne's proclaimed 'March of the Makers' has been a march backwards.

    Still house prices are up aren't they.

    Rising house prices and government subsidised welfare consumerism for friendly voting blocs.

    Just as it was in the Blair era, the only difference is that the friendly voting blocs are different.

    And why should anyone be surprised - Blair was the inspiration to Cameron and Osborne and they saw nothing wrong with the economy of a decade ago. On the contrary they promised to maintain Labour's spending levels and to 'share the proceeds of growth'.

    The only problem being there isn't enough growth to subsidise the required level of welfare consumerism.

    So the magic money tree has been used instead.
    This is too boring for words. Find a new tune, this is seriously dull and pointless.
    You disappoint me, I never thought you were yet another bleating cheerleader with an aversion to inconvenient facts.

    Here are some more:

    Predicted Borrowing
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn

    Actual Borrowing
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £121bn
    2013/14 £103bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 ???


    What's 70-80 billion difference between friends?
    About 70-80 billion.
    I'd bet you hold it against you neighbour for not returning a supply of sugar as well. So harsh.
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    I did say earlier today that there is going to be a tsunami of warnings about Brexit from many and various sources, almost daily, probably countering project fear by stating Brexit is a 'leap into the dark'
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401
    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    He should not be sending photos along an insecure connection to a third party from a secure location with vital material on the table.

    At the very least, it was stupid. At worst, it was criminally negligent. Either way, if true he should go.

    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    alex. said:

    Can you have an "affair", let alone a second one, if you are unmarried?

    It says the other woman is married. If she was when seeing wittingdale isn't clear.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    edited April 2016
    alex. said:

    Can you have an "affair", let alone a second one, if you are unmarried?

    If the other party were married, I suppose you be said to have participated in one. Or it could be used disingenuously, with 'affair' defined as 'an event or sequence of events of a specified kind' rather than the implied meaning of illicit romantic entanglement.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,924
    SeanT said:

    OllyT said:

    I guess I could easily wind up TSE by modifying the "Be LEAVE" message by going:

    Hitler believed in a European superstate.

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!

    :trollface:

    Churchill was in favour of a united European superstate.

    Mind you the bugger was also in favour of The UK and France becoming one united, single country.

    Bloody treasonous talk if you ask me.
    Ah, but you see in his famous speech in Zurich, Churchill stated that we should be friends with a United Europe, implying that Britain should be outside, and stick with its Commonwealth associations.

    http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html

    How times change. Now all our Commonwealth friends want us to stay in the EU. The conservative Australian Foreign Minister (Julie Bishop) called Brexit a fantasy of the British Right which is predominantly what it always has been .
    Can we dispense with this nonsense. Established and successful politicians will nearly always support the global status quo, as it clearly enables their own high status. You might as well ask Manchester City whether UEFA should allow investment in English football from foreign trillionaires.

    I bet 90% of the famous non-European politicians opining on Brexit have no idea what the ECJ does, what CFP means, what the "acquis" might imply, what QMV stands for, etc

    Indeed these would be good questions for Barack Obama, when he heads over. Doubt he could answer half of them.
    The reason it is not nonsense is that it is the direction many Brexiters are looking. Her comments were in response to David Davis saying "Brexit as an ‘opportunity to renew our strong relationships with Commonwealth and Anglosphere countries.’ The problem is not one Commonwealth or Anglosphere leader supports Brexit.

    And before Leave set about trashing Obama next week they might do well to note as an article in the News Statesman points out "Obama is, and has long been, popular in the UK. Polled by Pew Resarch in June 2015, 76 per cent of British voters trusted him "to do the right thing regarding world affairs" (and most probably judge the US to have a passing interest in our EU membership)"

    It is standard Leave tactics to dismiss and abuse anyone who criticises Brexit but don't fall into the trap of thinking every else shares your point of view.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.

    TSE, surely you won't deprive us of our fix of AV?
    Talking of AV, I'm deeply concerned about the PFA Player's Player of the season. If it's decided using first past the post there's a danger the Leicester players will split the vote allowing Kane (or even worse - Ozil) to win it.
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    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.

    TSE, surely you won't deprive us of our fix of AV?
    I've already had to pull my original morning thread.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449
    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.

    TSE, surely you won't deprive us of our fix of AV?
    Talking of AV, I'm deeply concerned about the PFA Player's Player of the season. If it's decided using first past the post there's a danger the Leicester players will split the vote allowing Kane (or even worse - Ozil) to win it.
    Leicester v West Ham tomorrow :)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    edited April 2016
    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Losing one to their own idiocy is rarely a reflection on the PM, if their idiocy was only tangential to their job.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,141
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:


    .

    .
    Tosh. We have had a significant fall in government spending as a share of GDP since 2010.
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5326/economics/government-spending/

    This has been achieved despite more spending on debt interest. The actual increase in government spending has virtually stopped. it is a clear and sharp difference from the policies pursued up to 2010.


    This is not an accident. It is a consequence of a different view of the role of the state, the desirability of making people more self-sufficient and the desirability of people spending their own money rather than the government spending it for them.
    Yawn.

    As I said they support cuts to Labour voting blocs but subsidise consumerism in Conservative voting blocs eg triple lock pensions.

    Perhaps you'd like to explain why government borrowing is so much higher than Osborne said it would be ?

    Or why when Osborne promised to rebalance the economy towards 'exports and savings' the UK's current account is at a record high and savings ratio is at a record low.

    Or why Osborne's proclaimed 'March of the Makers' has been a march backwards.

    Still house prices are up aren't they.

    Rising house prices and government subsidised welfare consumerism for friendly voting blocs.

    Just as it was in the Blair era, the only difference is that the friendly voting blocs are different.

    And why should anyone be surprised - Blair was the inspiration to Cameron and Osborne and they saw nothing wrong with the economy of a decade ago. On the contrary they promised to maintain Labour's spending levels and to 'share the proceeds of growth'.

    The only problem being there isn't enough growth to subsidise the required level of welfare consumerism.

    So the magic money tree has been used instead.
    This is too boring for words. Find a new tune, this is seriously dull and pointless.
    You disappoint me, I never thought you were yet another bleating cheerleader with an aversion to inconvenient facts.

    Here are some more:

    Predicted Borrowing
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn

    Actual Borrowing
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £121bn
    2013/14 £103bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 ???


    What's 70-80 billion difference between friends?
    You're about £100bn out.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    He should not be sending photos along an insecure connection to a third party from a secure location with vital material on the table.

    At the very least, it was stupid. At worst, it was criminally negligent. Either way, if true he should go.

    It could be blank pieces of note paper, and the Mail would still claim it was "Cabinet papers".

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Boris johnson in newcastle on the leave campaign today,only six and half mins,gives you a taste of the leave campaign.

    His positive speech against the negative of project fear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs0RJNDNyYs
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401

    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.

    TSE, surely you won't deprive us of our fix of AV?
    I've already had to pull my original morning thread.
    At this rate, after David Cameron also sportingly threw away every seat in Lincolnshire, you'll be pulling more often than Whittingdale.
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    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    He should not be sending photos along an insecure connection to a third party from a secure location with vital material on the table.

    At the very least, it was stupid. At worst, it was criminally negligent. Either way, if true he should go.

    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Both are Leavers, no great loss to the Cabinet nor the Tory party.

    Now that's what you call trolling.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2016
    So we find out the culture secretary is a serial shagger...if only Boris had accepted the job offer!
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    Boris was heckled in both Newcastle and Leeds today by the left saying conservatives not welcome here. They are obviously going to attempt to cause him difficulties at his public gatherings but lets hope it doesn't get out of hand
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:


    .

    .
    Tosh. We have had a significant fall in government spending as a share of GDP since 2010.
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5326/economics/government-spending/

    This has been achieved despite more spending on debt interest. The actual increase in government spending has virtually stopped. it is a clear and sharp difference from the policies pursued up to 2010.


    This is not an accident. It is a consequence of a different view of the role of the state, the desirability of making people more self-sufficient and the desirability of people spending their own money rather than the government spending it for them.
    Yawn.

    As I said they support cuts to Labour voting blocs but subsidise consumerism in Conservative voting blocs eg triple lock pensions.

    Perhaps you'd like to explain why government borrowing is so much higher than Osborne said it would be ?

    Or why when Osborne promised to rebalance the economy towards 'exports and savings' the UK's current account is at a record high and savings ratio is at a record low.

    Or why Osborne's proclaimed 'March of the Makers' has been a march backwards.

    Still house prices are up aren't they.

    Rising house prices and government subsidised welfare consumerism for friendly voting blocs.

    Just as it was in the Blair era, the only difference is that the friendly voting blocs are different.

    And why should anyone be surprised - Blair was the inspiration to Cameron and Osborne and they saw nothing wrong with the economy of a decade ago. On the contrary they promised to maintain Labour's spending levels and to 'share the proceeds of growth'.

    The only problem being ee has been used instead.
    Thisly dull and pointless.
    You disappoint me, I never thought you were yet another bleating cheerleader with an aversion to inconvenient facts.

    Here are some more:

    Predicted Borrowing
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn

    Actual Borrowing
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £121bn
    2013/14 £103bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 ???


    What's 70-80 billion difference between friends?
    You're about £100bn out.
    I omitted the words 'per annum', as I was guessing borrowing will barely be down, if at all, this year, and so circa 90 billion vs the prediction of 20.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.

    TSE, surely you won't deprive us of our fix of AV?
    Talking of AV, I'm deeply concerned about the PFA Player's Player of the season. If it's decided using first past the post there's a danger the Leicester players will split the vote allowing Kane (or even worse - Ozil) to win it.
    Leicester v West Ham tomorrow :)
    I have noticed!

    Good results for Leicester today. Everton, Swansea and Chelsea on the beach, Martinez and LVG still in post and Newcastle having something to play for on the last day.

    The PFA player of the year could have had a few other Leicester players too, particularly Wes Morgan and Danny Drinkwater.
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    Botham is also a serial shagger/adulterer.

    What did I say about Leavers being colossal perverts?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Losing one to their own idiocy is rarely a reflection on the PM, if their idiocy was only tangential to their job.
    Doesn't look too good if the PM serially appoints utter incompetents though. Remember Major and Hamilton, or Brown and just about every member of his last cabinet.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Labour linked to terrorists...just another normal headline these days for labour.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    Boris was heckled in both Newcastle and Leeds today by the left saying conservatives not welcome here. They are obviously going to attempt to cause him difficulties at his public gatherings but lets hope it doesn't get out of hand

    The New Politics in action!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Losing one to their own idiocy is rarely a reflection on the PM, if their idiocy was only tangential to their job.
    Doesn't look too good if the PM serially appoints utter incompetents though. Remember Major and Hamilton, or Brown and just about every member of his last cabinet.
    Perhaps, although the one's gone through their own idiocy have been spaced out somewhat, since IDS was a matter of principle, so may not count in that regard (although he did essentially call Cameron a liar, which is bad too of course).
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Losing one to their own idiocy is rarely a reflection on the PM, if their idiocy was only tangential to their job.
    Doesn't look too good if the PM serially appoints utter incompetents though. Remember Major and Hamilton, or Brown and just about every member of his last cabinet.
    He first offered the culture secretary job to Boris so I don't thing he is too concerned about individuals who shag around.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    He should not be sending photos along an insecure connection to a third party from a secure location with vital material on the table.

    At the very least, it was stupid. At worst, it was criminally negligent. Either way, if true he should go.

    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Both are Leavers, no great loss to the Cabinet nor the Tory party.

    Now that's what you call trolling.
    "No great loss to the Cabinet OR the Tory Party"

    Your GRAMMAR is APPALLING!

    :trollface:
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Botham is also a serial shagger/adulterer.

    What did I say about Leavers being colossal perverts?
    Botham hasn't shown any of his women cabinet papers, and isn't in charge of press regulation though :)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,592
    edited April 2016

    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    He should not be sending photos along an insecure connection to a third party from a secure location with vital material on the table.

    At the very least, it was stupid. At worst, it was criminally negligent. Either way, if true he should go.

    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Both are Leavers, no great loss to the Cabinet nor the Tory party.

    Now that's what you call trolling.
    "No great loss to the Cabinet OR the Tory Party"

    Your GRAMMAR is APPALLING!

    :trollface:
    Nah it's fine
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    Boris was heckled in both Newcastle and Leeds today by the left saying conservatives not welcome here. They are obviously going to attempt to cause him difficulties at his public gatherings but lets hope it doesn't get out of hand

    The New Politics in action!
    Sure Jeremy will ask for Boris to be heard with respect in view of his 'new politics' policy
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    Brexit have a big hitter.

    htps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721443285798141959

    Labour linked to terrorists...just another normal headline these days for labour.
    Why the coy phrasing 'Labour London hopeful linked to terrorist'? Seems like 'Sadiq Khan linked to terrorist' is more powerful and makes the same point. So I presume it's bollocks .
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    Pulpstar said:

    Botham is also a serial shagger/adulterer.

    What did I say about Leavers being colossal perverts?
    Botham hasn't shown any of his women cabinet papers, and isn't in charge of press regulation though :)
    Botham showed all of his twitter followers his cock though
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Having now read the Mail front page, it's b*ll*x isn't it? When was "two year affair" supposed to have taken place? He's only been a minister for less than a year.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401
    edited April 2016

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Losing one to their own idiocy is rarely a reflection on the PM, if their idiocy was only tangential to their job.
    Doesn't look too good if the PM serially appoints utter incompetents though. Remember Major and Hamilton, or Brown and just about every member of his last cabinet.
    He first offered the culture secretary job to Boris so I don't thing he is too concerned about individuals who shag around.
    I don't care which consenting adults he's getting it on with. I care if he is a potential security risk. This is of course only a story I the Mail and may well not be true of course, as noted upthread.
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    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the morning thread will have to feature porn stars.

    TSE, surely you won't deprive us of our fix of AV?
    Talking of AV, I'm deeply concerned about the PFA Player's Player of the season. If it's decided using first past the post there's a danger the Leicester players will split the vote allowing Kane (or even worse - Ozil) to win it.
    Leicester v West Ham tomorrow :)
    I have noticed!

    Good results for Leicester today. Everton, Swansea and Chelsea on the beach, Martinez and LVG still in post and Newcastle having something to play for on the last day.

    The PFA player of the year could have had a few other Leicester players too, particularly Wes Morgan and Danny Drinkwater.
    Big game tomorrow but Hammers will be deflated with their cup knock out by Man U this week. Do so hope Leicester get the title, they deserve it
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2016
    Details of wittingdale story are up & it doesn't live up to the headline at all.

    The funniest bit for me is he told he initially he was an arms dealer...of all the fake professions to choose...could go for anything..pilot, doctor, businessman...nah darling I flog guns..
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    Details of wittingdale story are up & it doesn't live up to the headline at all.

    Have you got a link please?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    ydoethur said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/721437372672524288

    "Highly-sensitive documents" and "minister of culture" don't really go together. :p
    Bullet point says "snatched photo of Cabinet". I'm guessing that the "papers" were on the table, unreadable... Looks a bit tenuous...
    He should not be sending photos along an insecure connection to a third party from a secure location with vital material on the table.

    At the very least, it was stupid. At worst, it was criminally negligent. Either way, if true he should go.

    To lose one Cabinet Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.
    Both are Leavers, no great loss to the Cabinet nor the Tory party.

    Now that's what you call trolling.
    "No great loss to the Cabinet OR the Tory Party"

    Your GRAMMAR is APPALLING!

    :trollface:
    Nah it's fine
    YOU ONLY USE "NOR" IF YOU USE "NEITHER".

    For example:

    Neither Mike NOR TSE are LEAVERS.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    edited April 2016

    Boris was heckled in both Newcastle and Leeds today by the left saying conservatives not welcome here. They are obviously going to attempt to cause him difficulties at his public gatherings but lets hope it doesn't get out of hand

    The New Politics in action!
    The 'new politics' is just a phrase used for partisans to justify why their side must be morally better than the other lot, why they even behave better in addition to not eating babies/palling with terrorists, and never indulge in nastiness (what's that, our amateur supporters do, with our tacit blessing?* Never mind that). Which is very very old politics - how often do we see 'Funny you never see someone on the left/right say something like that'?

    *Classic example 'I condemn [nasty behaviour], although I understand the anger at [hated opponent policy] that leads to this and it's that sort of stirring up of divisiveness that means [my opponent] faces some blame.'
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401

    Pulpstar said:

    Botham is also a serial shagger/adulterer.

    What did I say about Leavers being colossal perverts?
    Botham hasn't shown any of his women cabinet papers, and isn't in charge of press regulation though :)
    Botham showed all of his twitter followers his cock though
    Did he have to take off his hat or his trousers? :wink:
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Details of wittingdale story are up & it doesn't live up to the headline at all.

    Maybe they missed a "Was" at the beginning and a "?" at the end ;)
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    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Botham is also a serial shagger/adulterer.

    What did I say about Leavers being colossal perverts?
    Botham hasn't shown any of his women cabinet papers, and isn't in charge of press regulation though :)
    Botham showed all of his twitter followers his cock though
    Did he have to take off his hat or his trousers? :wink:
    Judge for yourself

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/he-just-failed-to-get-his-leg-over-aggers#.tf2z0mpE5E
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    Details of wittingdale story are up & it doesn't live up to the headline at all.

    The funniest bit for me is he told he initially he was an arms dealer...of all the fake professions to choose...could go for anything..pilot, doctor, businessman...nah darling I flog guns..

    It gives that alluring hint of danger and adventure, even if it is conducted by middle aged men in suits at the top end.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401
    kle4 said:

    Boris was heckled in both Newcastle and Leeds today by the left saying conservatives not welcome here. They are obviously going to attempt to cause him difficulties at his public gatherings but lets hope it doesn't get out of hand

    The New Politics in action!
    The 'new politics' is just a phrase used for partisans to justify why their side must be morally better than the other lot, why they even behave better in addition to not eating babies/palling with terrorists, and never indulge in nastiness (what's that, our amateur supporters do, with our tacit blessing? Never mind that). Which is very very old politics - how often do we see 'Funny you never see someone on the left/right say something like that'?
    I have not watched HIGNFY since Diane Abbott said she was obeying Corbyn's call for a kinder, gentler politics and nobody pointed out the irony of what she had said.

    It was at that point I felt the show had finally lost it after 26 wonderful years. Labour of course jumped the shark the moment they elected an apologist for fascists and murderers on that prospectus.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2016
    Basically she isn't a porn star, she is astranged from her husband & this relationship was 2013-2015.

    So it was two single individuals had a relationship one of which many years ago did some topless work. He was batting way out of his league must have been all the talk of his weapon of mass destruction!
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    SeanT said:

    Botham is also a serial shagger/adulterer.

    What did I say about Leavers being colossal perverts?
    It's a sad day when TSE of this parish condemns a man who simply tups lots of briffit as a "colossal pervert".

    Clearly you haven't boffed anyone but your dowdy wife since about 1998. And I doubt you've troubled her since the advent of the Millennium Dome.

    You, sir, are a LOSER.
    I suggest you get your sense of humour checked.
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    John Whittingdale is a sound chap with excellent judgement.

    He called his local Essex constituents ‘oiks’.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,401

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Botham is also a serial shagger/adulterer.

    What did I say about Leavers being colossal perverts?
    Botham hasn't shown any of his women cabinet papers, and isn't in charge of press regulation though :)
    Botham showed all of his twitter followers his cock though
    Did he have to take off his hat or his trousers? :wink:
    Judge for yourself

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/he-just-failed-to-get-his-leg-over-aggers#.tf2z0mpE5E
    So he takes off his cap AND his trousers to bowl :smiley:
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Since when did getting your breasts out make you a porn star?
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    At the 2012 local elections Labour were 9% ahead. If they're now 5% behind that's a 7% swing to the Tories.

    No sign of that in the local byelections which have not gone well for the Tories of late. On your figures Yougov's 3% Labour lead would imply a 3% swing to the Tories since 2012 - but a 2% swing to Labour from 2011 which was the same point in the 2010 Parliament.

    Hang on a minute, this year's local elections are to be compared with 2012 not 2011 because the local elections are on a 4 year cycle in most cases.
    I am of aware of the 4 year cycle and that these seats were last fought in 2012. However, a like for like comparison in terms of party vote shares one year into the Parliament requires us to look at how the results differ from 2011 - when the Tories led by 1%.
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