If a tory party that is tearing itself apart about the EU (again) actually gains seats surely Labour will wake up and smell, err, the brown stuff. And they won't want to be drinking it.
Personally, I find this very hard to credit. My guess is that Labour will do somewhat better than these projections on the basis that the motivation of a lot of Tories is sub-optimal. UKIP may just get a bounce. If they can't do well a month before the EU referendum even Nigel might begin to wonder what the point is.
Labour haven't been gaining any ground from the Conservatives in recent local by-elections. Where the Tories have lost, it's been to independents, or the occasional Lib Dem.
As someone defending one of the 52 from the Tories, I found out last night that I will have a UKIP opponent but not a Green one. Very happy with this state of affairs. I wonder if it's more than an anecdote though - has Labour's leftward shift meant fewer Green candidates? That won't help the Tories if there are fewer candidates on the left. Might be more than the occasional Lib Dem if so.
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
This isn't a value judgement but I really can't conceive of spending that kind of money in a restaurant. I think the most I've ever paid is in the £40 per head range.
Blimey, just catching up. Did Corbyn really push a microphone away and say "I don't do interviews under any circumstances"? That's what it sounds like on the clip.
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
If a tory party that is tearing itself apart about the EU (again) actually gains seats surely Labour will wake up and smell, err, the brown stuff. And they won't want to be drinking it.
Personally, I find this very hard to credit. My guess is that Labour will do somewhat better than these projections on the basis that the motivation of a lot of Tories is sub-optimal. UKIP may just get a bounce. If they can't do well a month before the EU referendum even Nigel might begin to wonder what the point is.
Labour haven't been gaining any ground from the Conservatives in recent local by-elections. Where the Tories have lost, it's been to independents, or the occasional Lib Dem.
As someone defending one of the 52 from the Tories, I found out last night that I will have a UKIP opponent but not a Green one. Very happy with this state of affairs. I wonder if it's more than an anecdote though - has Labour's leftward shift meant fewer Green candidates? That won't help the Tories if there are fewer candidates on the left. Might be more than the occasional Lib Dem if so.
It's disappointing really. Maybe it's partly because some greenies are suckers for men with allotments but they've obviously been quite reliant on a left wing protest vote. Corbyn hasn't really emphasised green issues and I'd have thought in this day and age green should be a strong brand, particularly with the often non-politically aligned young.
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
Ted Cruz had a certain tag trending for days on Twitter. It has made no difference what so ever as media have resolutely refused to follow it up. Cruz won WC a few days later.
All the idiots on twitter comparing Cameron's investment with Jimmy Carr are absolute financial illiterates.
Every talking head that has come on the tv today has said, you have a pension, you have an investment (2nd hand) just like Cameron. In comparison, Jimmy Carr invested in a scheme where you gave money, they lent it back to you and it was one big washing machine to avoid the full tax payable.
The issue with Cameron's fund was the use of bearer bonds, which could be exploited to avoid profits which the fund made (which Cameron didn't), which many other funds used and Cameron himself has outlawed.
And there is the issue of the money left in Jersey, which hasn't been fully disclosed. My guess would be it was left to Cameron's mother and siblings, but in a tax efficient way. Just like arch socialist Tony Benn did.
@MichaelLCrick: Who would think Jeremy Corbyn belongs to the National Union of Journalists? Gove & Hunt are regularly door-stepped without getting nasty
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
It's right, and is one of the reasons Twitter's going to die, at least in its current form.
And as an utter pleb, I love being in the plebian fray.
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
I'm afraid this place does indeed get very smug and self-satisfied at time/
A 3 course lunch in London with booze before, during and after at £133.60 for two is dirt cheap - and as the FT were picking up the tab, it’s almost criminal.
@MichaelLCrick: Who would think Jeremy Corbyn belongs to the National Union of Journalists? Gove & Hunt are regularly door-stepped without getting nasty
In the case of Hunt, with a giant cock being waved at him no less...
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
No, I'm speaking as someone who knows that a hashtag trending on Twitter has no bearing on whether there will be a challenge to Cameron's leadership.
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
No, I'm speaking as someone who knows that a hashtag trending on Twitter has no bearing on whether there will be a challenge to Cameron's leadership.
Nah. You're speaking like someone who doesn't spot a storm until you start getting drenched.
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
Why does a millionaire go to the bother of investing 30k in a tax haven? He really is a proud amateur. It's almost like he wants to break away from his past but just can't quite bring himself to do so openly. Hence making a token investment so as not to offend daddy.
Wasn't there that twitter hash tag a while back that was "trending" for weeks in regards to CameronMustGo or something similar. And all the tw@terati got ever so cross nobody was mentioning it.
On Cameron- he really is growing into someone I admire. Considering his background he could easily been just another Bullingdon, fox hunting, wealthy, elitist, money grabbing, little England Tory. I couldn't see beyond Cameron's background during those early years.
He clearly though has rejected his background somewhere along the way and is a thoroughly decent man. His commitment to overseas aid, and I think to the NHS are real. His championing of the EU referendum is something to behold for Europhiles like myself. Also, if it hadn't been for the banking crisis, he would have maintained Labour's broadly social democratic commitment to public spending. His approach to the migrant crisis is based on common sense rather than anything more sinister.
The stuff that has come out this week with his dad just proves to me even more how far Cameron has grown away from his background.
He's obviously not a control freak either- which has got him into trouble with like of Lansley and now Hunt who have managed to score some own goals with the NHS.
The Tory party is probably going to struggle to recover after the EU referendum; and the Labour party faultlines with Corbyn as leader are just unsustainable.
Something tells me that British politics is going to go through some kind of major sea change this year- and I for one hope that Cameron remains on the scene for many more years.
I agree with all of that. I suspect we might be aging in a too predictable way
All the idiots on twitter comparing Cameron's investment with Jimmy Carr are absolute financial illiterates.
Indeed, but as the saying goes, if you are explaining, you are losing.
It was a stupid hostage to fortune anyway, it still looks like iffy to people who are not that involved in tax planning, and coming after his sanctimonious rant about Jimmy Carr smells like hypocrisy.... he should have had someone else make the rant, someone who didn't have a history of involvement in financial dealing that to the uninitiated (ie. most of the electorate) looks underhand.
Why does a millionaire go to the bother of investing 30k in a tax haven? He really is a proud amateur. It's almost like he wants to break away from his past but just can't quite bring himself to do so openly. Hence making a token investment so as not to offend daddy.
Given how wealthy Mrs C is and it wasn't £30k, it was £14k...£30k was what it was worth after 13 years of being invested. She earned for £400k alone when the stationary biz was sold. It does seem as token as the shares Osborne was given in the family wallpaper biz.
This isn't a value judgement but I really can't conceive of spending that kind of money in a restaurant. I think the most I've ever paid is in the £40 per head range.
On Cameron- he really is growing into someone I admire. Considering his background he could easily been just another Bullingdon, fox hunting, wealthy, elitist, money grabbing, little England Tory. I couldn't see beyond Cameron's background during those early years.
He clearly though has rejected his background somewhere along the way and is a thoroughly decent man. His commitment to overseas aid, and I think to the NHS are real. His championing of the EU referendum is something to behold for Europhiles like myself. Also, if it hadn't been for the banking crisis, he would have maintained Labour's broadly social democratic commitment to public spending. His approach to the migrant crisis is based on common sense rather than anything more sinister.
The stuff that has come out this week with his dad just proves to me even more how far Cameron has grown away from his background.
He's obviously not a control freak either- which has got him into trouble with like of Lansley and now Hunt who have managed to score some own goals with the NHS.
The Tory party is probably going to struggle to recover after the EU referendum; and the Labour party faultlines with Corbyn as leader are just unsustainable.
Something tells me that British politics is going to go through some kind of major sea change this year- and I for one hope that Cameron remains on the scene for many more years.
I agree with all of that. I suspect we might be aging in a too predictable way
If arch Lefties like you and Tyson are starting to 'admire' Cameron then he truly is in trouble.
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
Ted Cruz had a certain tag trending for days on Twitter. It has made no difference what so ever as media have resolutely refused to follow it up. Cruz won WC a few days later.
Well there's one difference right there. Step away from your screen and look at today's fronts (which whatever Smithson says do still affect national mood), then come back and turn on your telly for BBC News and Sky News.
Oh, and Ted Cruz was an alleged sex scandal probably pushed by Trump. This is a now proven tax dodging scandal by our Prime Minister who has spent several years lecturing the country on financial probity. If you can't see the difference ... well ... there we have it.
A 3 course lunch in London with booze before, during and after at £133.60 for two is dirt cheap - and as the FT were picking up the tab, it’s almost criminal.
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
No, I'm speaking as someone who knows that a hashtag trending on Twitter has no bearing on whether there will be a challenge to Cameron's leadership.
Nah. You're speaking like someone who doesn't spot a storm until you start getting drenched.
Well, I'm not going to be affected either way.
But a challenge to Cameron requires Conservative backbenchers to write to Graham Brady. They are not going to be influenced by Twitter.
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
Twitter's going to die
ROFL
Apart from splitting my quote, why do you find it funny. Do you think the business running Twitter is doing well or poorly at the moment?
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
Ted Cruz had a certain tag trending for days on Twitter. It has made no difference what so ever as media have resolutely refused to follow it up. Cruz won WC a few days later.
Well there's one difference right there. Step away from your screen and look at today's fronts (which whatever Smithson says do still affect national mood), then come back and turn on your telly for BBC News and Sky News.
Oh, and Ted Cruz was an alleged sex scandal probably pushed by Trump. This is a now proven tax dodging scandal by our Prime Minister who has spent several years lecturing the country on financial probity. If you can't see the difference ... well ... there we have it.
Might want to be careful there. Even the Guardian isn't alleging "tax dodging"....
Wasn't there that twitter hash tag a while back that was "trending" for weeks in regards to CameronMustGo or something similar. And all the tw@terati got ever so cross nobody was mentioning it.
It's the BBC News and Sky News lead.
The patronising arrogance towards twitter, when pb.com was disastrously wrong about the General Election, is so far beyond parody as to be amusing.
Still, perhaps we should ask Lord Ashcroft's polling advice?
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
Twitter's going to die
ROFL
take a look at the share price. The company is in trouble.
All the idiots on twitter comparing Cameron's investment with Jimmy Carr are absolute financial illiterates.
Indeed, but as the saying goes, if you are explaining, you are losing.
It was a stupid hostage to fortune anyway, it still looks like iffy to people who are not that involved in tax planning, and coming after his sanctimonious rant about Jimmy Carr smells like hypocrisy.... he should have had someone else make the rant, someone who didn't have a history of involvement in financial dealing that to the uninitiated (ie. most of the electorate) looks underhand.
Yes I guess so. It happened in the expenses scandal, some MPs from all parties got labelled as expense fiddlers and they didn't do anything wrong, and others had complex affairs that required somebody with a brain to dig through but that was hard work so scream DUCK HOUSE instead.
I remember one MP wrote a very careful response explaining all his expenses, including about why he had bought a new kitchen and it was the first and only time in 13 years of being an MP...and the Telegraph still splattered him.
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
Ted Cruz had a certain tag trending for days on Twitter. It has made no difference what so ever as media have resolutely refused to follow it up. Cruz won WC a few days later.
Well there's one difference right there. Step away from your screen and look at today's fronts (which whatever Smithson says do still affect national mood), then come back and turn on your telly for BBC News and Sky News.
Oh, and Ted Cruz was an alleged sex scandal probably pushed by Trump. This is a now proven tax dodging scandal by our Prime Minister who has spent several years lecturing the country on financial probity. If you can't see the difference ... well ... there we have it.
Oh, sure, the MSM coverage makes it a problem for Cameron, though it won't threaten his position unless evidence of something illegal surfaces, which doesn't seem likely.
When the MSM avoids a story, it takes a lot to keep it up. Twitter's pathetic attempt to censor it by delisting the trend and removing autocomplete didn't work either.
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
Ted Cruz had a certain tag trending for days on Twitter. It has made no difference what so ever as media have resolutely refused to follow it up. Cruz won WC a few days later.
On topic, clearly they behave better before elections but the main point has to be that he's going anyhow, so why bother risking your own reputation to damage him?
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
Twitter's going to die
ROFL
Apart from splitting my quote, why do you find it funny. Do you think the business running Twitter is doing well or poorly at the moment?
Wasn't there that twitter hash tag a while back that was "trending" for weeks in regards to CameronMustGo or something similar. And all the tw@terati got ever so cross nobody was mentioning it.
It's the BBC News and Sky News lead.
The patronising arrogance towards twitter, when pb.com was disastrously wrong about the General Election, is so far beyond parody as to be amusing.
Still, perhaps we should ask Lord Ashcroft's polling advice?
All the BBC and Sky are doing is admitting no tory MPs will talk to them directly. Otherwise they would be quoting proper sources.
Wasn't there that twitter hash tag a while back that was "trending" for weeks in regards to CameronMustGo or something similar. And all the tw@terati got ever so cross nobody was mentioning it.
It's the BBC News and Sky News lead.
The patronising arrogance towards twitter, when pb.com was disastrously wrong about the General Election, is so far beyond parody as to be amusing.
Still, perhaps we should ask Lord Ashcroft's polling advice?
I'm not "patronising Twitter". I just observe, based on experience, that it doesn't have much influence on politics and very little indeed on right-wing politics.
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
Twitter's going to die
ROFL
Apart from splitting my quote, why do you find it funny. Do you think the business running Twitter is doing well or poorly at the moment?
What's worse, they don't seem to understand the way their users want to interact with their product.
Twitter is in serious trouble. Still losing money and now losing users.
It Ok...they have bought the rights to Thursday Night Football (Hand-Egg that is) and will live stream it....shakes head....that will stop them losing $1 million a day.
All the idiots on twitter comparing Cameron's investment with Jimmy Carr are absolute financial illiterates.
Indeed, but as the saying goes, if you are explaining, you are losing.
It was a stupid hostage to fortune anyway, it still looks like iffy to people who are not that involved in tax planning, and coming after his sanctimonious rant about Jimmy Carr smells like hypocrisy.... he should have had someone else make the rant, someone who didn't have a history of involvement in financial dealing that to the uninitiated (ie. most of the electorate) looks underhand.
Yes I guess so. It happened in the expenses scandal, so MPs from all parties got labelled as expense fiddlers and they didn't do anything wrong, and others had complex affairs that required somebody with a brain to dig through but that was hard work so scream DUCK HOUSE instead.
Sadly. There the world we are in, failing newspapers desperate for click-bait to keep the wolf from the door for another few days. Social media personalities who make money on the number of page impressions they generate, and hence write click-bait as well. Lazy TV journos who wait for a story to fall in their lap, and mostly look at what is in the click-baity papers or click-baity social media.
I someone feel that the problem in some respects of having a background in PR like Cameron is you like to be in front of the cameras, and find yourself waxing lyrical about things it would in retrospect have been wiser to send out a minister, of some sort, to say. Its the same as Cameron slamming Trump in very personal terms, not at all smart when there is a chance that he might be the next leader of our closest ally and the big kid on the block.
2) Just because you're a Leaver doesn't mean you're automatically anti-Dave. Do we really expect the likes of Gove, Zahawi et al to try and topple Dave. Never happening.
They are much more likely to be anti-Osborne though
In the event of a Remain victory, Dave moves George to the FO and Gove to the Treasury, everyone's happy
I think it will take more than that.
Dave will also have to do something Very Right Wing to raise the moral of the troops and show he isn't an effete Guardianista.
Dusting himself off, reshuffling the deck and then carrying on just the same as before won't quite cut it.
All the idiots on twitter comparing Cameron's investment with Jimmy Carr are absolute financial illiterates.
Indeed, but as the saying goes, if you are explaining, you are losing.
It was a stupid hostage to fortune anyway, it still looks like iffy to people who are not that involved in tax planning, and coming after his sanctimonious rant about Jimmy Carr smells like hypocrisy.... he should have had someone else make the rant, someone who didn't have a history of involvement in financial dealing that to the uninitiated (ie. most of the electorate) looks underhand.
Yes I guess so. It happened in the expenses scandal, so MPs from all parties got labelled as expense fiddlers and they didn't do anything wrong, and others had complex affairs that required somebody with a brain to dig through but that was hard work so scream DUCK HOUSE instead.
Sadly. There the world we are in, failing newspapers desperate for click-bait to keep the wolf from the door for another few days. Social media personalities who make money on the number of page impressions they generate, and hence write click-bait as well. Lazy TV journos who wait for a story to fall in their lap, and mostly look at what is in the click-baity papers or click-baity social media.
I someone feel that the problem in some respects of having a background in PR like Cameron is you like to be in front of the cameras, and find yourself waxing lyrical about things it would in retrospect have been wiser to send out a minister, of some sort, to say. Its the same as Cameron slamming Trump in very personal terms, not at all smart when there is a chance that he might be the next leader of our closest ally and the big kid on the block.
I posted last night what I thought Cameron should have said right off the bat in a one-on-one interview to a friendly journo and then also line up loads of people to come out and flood to news channels with "explanation".
New Labour were excellent at this "crisis management".
Paradoxically, Cameron did exactly this with expenses scandal. Came out straight away and after some focus on wisteria, the media were on to bigger and better things.
Incidentally, I saw Jimmy Carr host an awards ceremony where as part of his stand-up routine he talked about his experience of being on the front pages of the newspapers for tax avoidance. I'm not generally a fan of his but he was extremely funny. As part of his routine, he said something along the lines of:
"And when the Prime Minister breaks away from a G20 summit to condemn you personally, that's when you realise that you've got a problem."
I took completely the opposite view of tyson to Cameron. Maybe we are a slightly different generation? I thought he was okay at first (certainly better than Howard and IDS!) and was not really bothered by his posh background. The more time has gone on, the less I like him. He seems more tied to privilege than I had initially assumed and I'm now entirely of the view that he has confected an image of charming good sense when what lies beneath is cynical and snide. Perhaps it has been the skill throughout the ages for wealthy men to be schooled (literally?) in such insincerity but it's rather pernicious and like women who time and again go for bad boys, we as a country fall for it.
A very good post, Mr Booth, and one I go along with entirely.
Wasn't there that twitter hash tag a while back that was "trending" for weeks in regards to CameronMustGo or something similar. And all the tw@terati got ever so cross nobody was mentioning it.
The patronising arrogance towards twitter, when pb.com was disastrously wrong about the General Election
And Twitter had Miliband for PM and an independent Scotland?
Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.
It's only Twitter.
Spoken like someone in a Westminster e-bubble known as pb.com. Actually the trend is now the lead on Sky News and BBC. Ah, wait, they're not important either. Nor are any of the papers because as we're repeatedly told they no longer have influence.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
Ted Cruz had a certain tag trending for days on Twitter. It has made no difference what so ever as media have resolutely refused to follow it up. Cruz won WC a few days later.
Well there's one difference right there. Step away from your screen and look at today's fronts (which whatever Smithson says do still affect national mood), then come back and turn on your telly for BBC News and Sky News.
Oh, and Ted Cruz was an alleged sex scandal probably pushed by Trump. This is a now proven tax dodging scandal by our Prime Minister who has spent several years lecturing the country on financial probity. If you can't see the difference ... well ... there we have it.
2) Just because you're a Leaver doesn't mean you're automatically anti-Dave. Do we really expect the likes of Gove, Zahawi et al to try and topple Dave. Never happening.
They are much more likely to be anti-Osborne though
In the event of a Remain victory, Dave moves George to the FO and Gove to the Treasury, everyone's happy
I think it will take more than that.
Dave will also have to do something Very Right Wing to raise the moral of the troops and show he isn't an effete Guardianista.
Dusting himself off, reshuffling the deck and then carrying on just the same as before won't quite cut it.
On the last two occasions that the government tried to do something Very Right Wing (tax credit cuts, benefit cuts), it was sabotaged by some of the Very Right Wing MPs who David Cameron was looking to throw some red meat. So if David Cameron were to go down that route, the Very Right Wing will need to play their part too in telling the more hostile of their number to sit down and shut up.
Incidentally, I saw Jimmy Carr host an awards ceremony where as part of his stand-up routine he talked about his experience of being on the front pages of the newspapers for tax avoidance. I'm not generally a fan of his but he was extremely funny. As part of his routine, he said something along the lines of:
"And when the Prime Minister breaks away from a G20 summit to condemn you personally, that's when you realise that you've got a problem."
He is probably enjoying this week enormously.
Carr's used that line before - it is good.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Cameron, it doesn't seem he's done anything particularly egregious - nothing like Carr.
But then I remember how Cameron's trying to rig the referendum, and so I stop caring.
"In this context almost all the activists and other associated with the parties are on their best behaviour not to do anything that could undermine their party position in a sensitive election period"
If this is what being on their best behaviour looks I'd very much enjoy watching when they let themselves go.
2) Just because you're a Leaver doesn't mean you're automatically anti-Dave. Do we really expect the likes of Gove, Zahawi et al to try and topple Dave. Never happening.
They are much more likely to be anti-Osborne though
In the event of a Remain victory, Dave moves George to the FO and Gove to the Treasury, everyone's happy
I think it will take more than that.
Dave will also have to do something Very Right Wing to raise the moral of the troops and show he isn't an effete Guardianista.
Dusting himself off, reshuffling the deck and then carrying on just the same as before won't quite cut it.
How depressing. So whilst he's getting it in the neck for misusing public money on a political campaign and avoiding tax his real problem with the grassroots is being an 'effete (civilised?) guardianista.
Regarding Twitter's commercial prospects, I thought the rumours a few years of Google buying it made a certain sense but I guess that ship has sailed (if it was ever in the harbour in the first place).
"In this context almost all the activists and other associated with the parties are on their best behaviour not to do anything that could undermine their party position in a sensitive election period"
If this is what being on their best behaviour looks I'd very much enjoy watching when they let themselves go.
2) Just because you're a Leaver doesn't mean you're automatically anti-Dave. Do we really expect the likes of Gove, Zahawi et al to try and topple Dave. Never happening.
They are much more likely to be anti-Osborne though
In the event of a Remain victory, Dave moves George to the FO and Gove to the Treasury, everyone's happy
I think it will take more than that.
Dave will also have to do something Very Right Wing to raise the moral of the troops and show he isn't an effete Guardianista.
Dusting himself off, reshuffling the deck and then carrying on just the same as before won't quite cut it.
How depressing. So whilst he's getting it in the neck for misusing public money on a political campaign and avoiding tax his real problem with the grassroots is being an 'effete (civilised?) guardianista.
Well those three things often go together quite well
On Cameron- he really is growing into someone I admire. Considering his background he could easily been just another Bullingdon, fox hunting, wealthy, elitist, money grabbing, little England Tory. I couldn't see beyond Cameron's background during those early years.
He clearly though has rejected his background somewhere along the way and is a thoroughly decent man. His commitment to overseas aid, and I think to the NHS are real. His championing of the EU referendum is something to behold for Europhiles like myself. Also, if it hadn't been for the banking crisis, he would have maintained Labour's broadly social democratic commitment to public spending. His approach to the migrant crisis is based on common sense rather than anything more sinister.
The stuff that has come out this week with his dad just proves to me even more how far Cameron has grown away from his background.
He's obviously not a control freak either- which has got him into trouble with like of Lansley and now Hunt who have managed to score some own goals with the NHS.
The Tory party is probably going to struggle to recover after the EU referendum; and the Labour party faultlines with Corbyn as leader are just unsustainable.
Something tells me that British politics is going to go through some kind of major sea change this year- and I for one hope that Cameron remains on the scene for many more years.
I agree with all of that. I suspect we might be aging in a too predictable way
I'm slightly puzzled by this. As I said before, as a non-Tory my opinion of Cameron has deteriorated over time. Just proves we're all different and there isn't a straightforward left-right axis.
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
Twitter's going to die
ROFL
Apart from splitting my quote, why do you find it funny. Do you think the business running Twitter is doing well or poorly at the moment?
What's worse, they don't seem to understand the way their users want to interact with their product.
Twitter is in serious trouble. Still losing money and now losing users.
It Ok...they have bought the rights to Thursday Night Football (Hand-Egg that is) and will live stream it....shakes head....that will stop them losing $1 million a day.
That's a great idea, spend loads of cash for sports matches that over half of their userbase doesn't give a crap about.
Interestingly they started to lose users just around the time they enacted their censorship council. One wonders how the board will try and deny the two are related.
The Prime Minister is today facing a sleaze inquiry into his failure to declare his shares in a shady offshore fund.
Campaigning Labour MP John Mann said he will refer David Cameron to the Parliamentary standards watchdog for keeping the £30,000-worth of offshore shares a secret during his years in Opposition.
"Action will have to be taken, there's no question about it," Mr Mann told the Mirror.
"He has broken the rules and principles of standards in public life.
Blairmore holdings. ......panmure gordon. ....pinsent Mason. .....Carroll trust. Follow the trail......of money. And see the YouTube clip I posted on here late last night.
Regarding Twitter's commercial prospects, I thought the rumours a few years of Google buying it made a certain sense but I guess that ship has sailed (if it was ever in the harbour in the first place).
It was but Dorsey wanted to go it alone. What an idiot.
I pay a lot of attention to my own behaviour when sharing stuff on social media.
I'll promote generic Tory stuff, but nothing for Cameron or Osborne now. Ditto defending either. I'm feeling duped, and it takes a lot of piss taking to lose my loyalty.
Incidentally, I saw Jimmy Carr host an awards ceremony where as part of his stand-up routine he talked about his experience of being on the front pages of the newspapers for tax avoidance. I'm not generally a fan of his but he was extremely funny. As part of his routine, he said something along the lines of:
"And when the Prime Minister breaks away from a G20 summit to condemn you personally, that's when you realise that you've got a problem."
He is probably enjoying this week enormously.
Carr's used that line before - it is good.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Cameron, it doesn't seem he's done anything particularly egregious - nothing like Carr.
But then I remember how Cameron's trying to rig the referendum, and so I stop caring.
On Cameron- he really is growing into someone I admire. Considering his background he could easily been just another Bullingdon, fox hunting, wealthy, elitist, money grabbing, little England Tory. I couldn't see beyond Cameron's background during those early years.
He clearly though has rejected his background somewhere along the way and is a thoroughly decent man. His commitment to overseas aid, and I think to the NHS are real. His championing of the EU referendum is something to behold for Europhiles like myself. Also, if it hadn't been for the banking crisis, he would have maintained Labour's broadly social democratic commitment to public spending. His approach to the migrant crisis is based on common sense rather than anything more sinister.
The stuff that has come out this week with his dad just proves to me even more how far Cameron has grown away from his background.
He's obviously not a control freak either- which has got him into trouble with like of Lansley and now Hunt who have managed to score some own goals with the NHS.
The Tory party is probably going to struggle to recover after the EU referendum; and the Labour party faultlines with Corbyn as leader are just unsustainable.
Something tells me that British politics is going to go through some kind of major sea change this year- and I for one hope that Cameron remains on the scene for many more years.
I agree with all of that. I suspect we might be aging in a too predictable way
I'm slightly puzzled by this. As I said before, as a non-Tory my opinion of Cameron has deteriorated over time. Just proves we're all different and there isn't a straightforward left-right axis.
To some extent it's a relative thing. My opinion of Cameron has improved because the alternative has become increasingly dire.
Blairmore holdings. ......panmure gordon. ....pinsent Mason. .....Carroll trust. Follow the trail......of money. And see the YouTube clip I posted on here late last night.
Ooooh, it's ages since I've been tangentially linked to a good conspiracy theory.
I pay a lot of attention to my own behaviour when sharing stuff on social media.
I'll promote generic Tory stuff, but nothing for Cameron or Osborne now. Ditto defending either. I'm feeling duped, and it takes a lot of piss taking to lose my loyalty.
Incidentally, I saw Jimmy Carr host an awards ceremony where as part of his stand-up routine he talked about his experience of being on the front pages of the newspapers for tax avoidance. I'm not generally a fan of his but he was extremely funny. As part of his routine, he said something along the lines of:
"And when the Prime Minister breaks away from a G20 summit to condemn you personally, that's when you realise that you've got a problem."
He is probably enjoying this week enormously.
Carr's used that line before - it is good.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Cameron, it doesn't seem he's done anything particularly egregious - nothing like Carr.
But then I remember how Cameron's trying to rig the referendum, and so I stop caring.
I get that you support Leave and Cameron doesn't, but how do you feel you were duped? He said there'd be a referendum and here it is.
The other thing that is playing a factor is the 10% of the Tory Party who have never been reconciled with Dave's leadership have had a bit of a reality check post IDS's resignation.
They were pleasantly surprised when so many Tory MPs came out for Leave, they say this as an opportunity to topple Dave no matter what come June 24th, however
1) Boris has been a big disappointment
2) Just because you're a Leaver doesn't mean you're automatically anti-Dave. Do we really expect the likes of Gove, Zahawi et al to try and topple Dave. Never happening.
The only thing that's been pushing me away from Dave is support for him from the likes of Roger and tyson. Invariably, I find myself on the same side of the argument as them and I have a rethink. Though they could just be trolling long time Dave supporters like us.
I took completely the opposite view of tyson to Cameron. Maybe we are a slightly different generation? I thought he was okay at first (certainly better than Howard and IDS!) and was not really bothered by his posh background. The more time has gone on, the less I like him. He seems more tied to privilege than I had initially assumed and I'm now entirely of the view that he has confected an image of charming good sense when what lies beneath is cynical and snide. Perhaps it has been the skill throughout the ages for wealthy men to be schooled (literally?) in such insincerity but it's rather pernicious and like women who time and again go for bad boys, we as a country fall for it.
Interesting. That was the view taken by the late lamented Tim though expressed in his own inimitable way. He certainly started out as a poseur with his chauffeur driven cycle helmet and his Antartic trips to save the Walrus but now he's settled down and lost his father and son in quick succession and more recently been demonized by his own Party he's finally grown up and shown some mettle
This Politician Didn’t Notice The Pigs Fucking Behind Him When He Gave A TV Interview
“We like to organise our visits to send a message in pictorial terms exactly what we’re asking for,” said Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie, unaware of what the pigs were doing in the background.
'Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.'
The same Twitter idiots that were forecasting a Labour landslide last year ?
Blairmore holdings. ......panmure gordon. ....pinsent Mason. .....Carroll trust. Follow the trail......of money. And see the YouTube clip I posted on here late last night.
Ooooh, it's ages since I've been tangentially linked to a good conspiracy theory.
You wouldn't know a thing about it mr Meeks even if it was put right in front of you. Your EU musings show that alone.
The censorship of rightists is such an incredibly stupid move. A whole under represented demographic on their own platform is alienated and shut down. The free speechers are ideal fodder.
FPT, thank you for the love-cheat hints. It'll take me a couple of vodka and tonics to get over the shock.
For me the biggest shock was describing the Plaintiff as a 'celebrity'........their Husband, clearly is a very well known entertainer......but [REDACTED], really?
Yes, the love-cheatee is 100x the celebrity that the love-cheator is.
I generally can't be arsed to find out as nearly all the time I've never even heard of the "celebrities" in question. I hope someone will reveal the dastardly news at tonight's drinks, if I manage to make it.
The answer is boring.
I made the big mistake of using #threesome on Twitter to try to find out. OMG! I'm obviously an innocent. I just hope Google doesn't remember and start serving me (in)appropriate ads or I'll have some explaining to do to my wife.
#superinjunction did the trick.
Another example of why twitter is best for celebrity-obsessed bird-brains.
Thank goodness then that people like you can stay above the plebeian fray on policticalbetting.
Twitter's going to die
ROFL
Apart from splitting my quote, why do you find it funny. Do you think the business running Twitter is doing well or poorly at the moment?
What's worse, they don't seem to understand the way their users want to interact with their product.
Twitter is in serious trouble. Still losing money and now losing users.
It Ok...they have bought the rights to Thursday Night Football (Hand-Egg that is) and will live stream it....shakes head....that will stop them losing $1 million a day.
That's a great idea, spend loads of cash for sports matches that over half of their userbase doesn't give a crap about.
Interestingly they started to lose users just around the time they enacted their censorship council. One wonders how the board will try and deny the two are related.
Blairmore holdings. ......panmure gordon. ....pinsent Mason. .....Carroll trust. Follow the trail......of money. And see the YouTube clip I posted on here late last night.
Ooooh, it's ages since I've been tangentially linked to a good conspiracy theory.
Given your influence amongst Tory MPs, Hunchman might be underestimating your power.
"In this context almost all the activists and other associated with the parties are on their best behaviour not to do anything that could undermine their party position in a sensitive election period"
If this is what being on their best behaviour looks I'd very much enjoy watching when they let themselves go.
Could Jeremy Corbyn be a strategic political genius. He saw what happened to Labour in the Scottish referendum and so has decided to take a low key approach to the EU referendum, so as not to antagonise those who are on the other side and unite afterwards. Meanwhile the Tories tear each other apart and go the way of Scottish Labour.
Blairmore holdings. ......panmure gordon. ....pinsent Mason. .....Carroll trust. Follow the trail......of money. And see the YouTube clip I posted on here late last night.
Ooooh, it's ages since I've been tangentially linked to a good conspiracy theory.
I know. Fun isn't it? I live very close to the infamous Finchley Road address. I shall have to check it out on my way home.
Blairmore holdings. ......panmure gordon. ....pinsent Mason. .....Carroll trust. Follow the trail......of money. And see the YouTube clip I posted on here late last night.
Ooooh, it's ages since I've been tangentially linked to a good conspiracy theory.
I know. Fun isn't it? I live very close to the infamous Finchley Road address. I shall have to check it out on my way home.
These PB meets are just fronts for the Illuminati lizards
Come to Italy...It is the common view to think that the world is a labyrinthine maze of murky intrigues interlocking the most simple of events; anyone just offering a bog standard explanation is considered off their proverbial.
Blairmore holdings. ......panmure gordon. ....pinsent Mason. .....Carroll trust. Follow the trail......of money. And see the YouTube clip I posted on here late last night.
Ooooh, it's ages since I've been tangentially linked to a good conspiracy theory.
I pay a lot of attention to my own behaviour when sharing stuff on social media.
I'll promote generic Tory stuff, but nothing for Cameron or Osborne now. Ditto defending either. I'm feeling duped, and it takes a lot of piss taking to lose my loyalty.
Incidentally, I saw Jimmy Carr host an awards ceremony where as part of his stand-up routine he talked about his experience of being on the front pages of the newspapers for tax avoidance. I'm not generally a fan of his but he was extremely funny. As part of his routine, he said something along the lines of:
"And when the Prime Minister breaks away from a G20 summit to condemn you personally, that's when you realise that you've got a problem."
He is probably enjoying this week enormously.
Carr's used that line before - it is good.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Cameron, it doesn't seem he's done anything particularly egregious - nothing like Carr.
But then I remember how Cameron's trying to rig the referendum, and so I stop caring.
I get that you support Leave and Cameron doesn't, but how do you feel you were duped? He said there'd be a referendum and here it is.
This Politician Didn’t Notice The Pigs Fucking Behind Him When He Gave A TV Interview
“We like to organise our visits to send a message in pictorial terms exactly what we’re asking for,” said Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie, unaware of what the pigs were doing in the background.
I pay a lot of attention to my own behaviour when sharing stuff on social media.
I'll promote generic Tory stuff, but nothing for Cameron or Osborne now. Ditto defending either. I'm feeling duped, and it takes a lot of piss taking to lose my loyalty.
Incidentally, I saw Jimmy Carr host an awards ceremony where as part of his stand-up routine he talked about his experience of being on the front pages of the newspapers for tax avoidance. I'm not generally a fan of his but he was extremely funny. As part of his routine, he said something along the lines of:
"And when the Prime Minister breaks away from a G20 summit to condemn you personally, that's when you realise that you've got a problem."
He is probably enjoying this week enormously.
Carr's used that line before - it is good.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Cameron, it doesn't seem he's done anything particularly egregious - nothing like Carr.
But then I remember how Cameron's trying to rig the referendum, and so I stop caring.
I get that you support Leave and Cameron doesn't, but how do you feel you were duped? He said there'd be a referendum and here it is.
Really? What else is there?
You've certainly changed your tune since May last year.
On Cameron- he really is growing into someone I admire. Considering his background he could easily been just another Bullingdon, fox hunting, wealthy, elitist, money grabbing, little England Tory. I couldn't see beyond Cameron's background during those early years.
He clearly though has rejected his background somewhere along the way and is a thoroughly decent man. His commitment to overseas aid, and I think to the NHS are real. His championing of the EU referendum is something to behold for Europhiles like myself. Also, if it hadn't been for the banking crisis, he would have maintained Labour's broadly social democratic commitment to public spending. His approach to the migrant crisis is based on common sense rather than anything more sinister.
The stuff that has come out this week with his dad just proves to me even more how far Cameron has grown away from his background.
He's obviously not a control freak either- which has got him into trouble with like of Lansley and now Hunt who have managed to score some own goals with the NHS.
The Tory party is probably going to struggle to recover after the EU referendum; and the Labour party faultlines with Corbyn as leader are just unsustainable.
Something tells me that British politics is going to go through some kind of major sea change this year- and I for one hope that Cameron remains on the scene for many more years.
I agree with all of that. I suspect we might be aging in a too predictable way
If arch Lefties like you and Tyson are starting to 'admire' Cameron then he truly is in trouble.
Hath not a 'lefty' eyes? ......If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.
2) Just because you're a Leaver doesn't mean you're automatically anti-Dave. Do we really expect the likes of Gove, Zahawi et al to try and topple Dave. Never happening.
They are much more likely to be anti-Osborne though
In the event of a Remain victory, Dave moves George to the FO and Gove to the Treasury, everyone's happy
I think it will take more than that.
Dave will also have to do something Very Right Wing to raise the moral of the troops and show he isn't an effete Guardianista.
Dusting himself off, reshuffling the deck and then carrying on just the same as before won't quite cut it.
On the last two occasions that the government tried to do something Very Right Wing (tax credit cuts, benefit cuts), it was sabotaged by some of the Very Right Wing MPs who David Cameron was looking to throw some red meat. So if David Cameron were to go down that route, the Very Right Wing will need to play their part too in telling the more hostile of their number to sit down and shut up.
As you said on the last thread, party management is part of it. But both those measures were mainstream budgetary measures part of the Government's Plan A just with George Osborne's pawprints all over them.
It was about damaging Osborne. With Gove as Chancellor it'll be a different story.
But backbench MPs will expect to see meaningful change. I expect more non-fiscal measures.
The full compulsory academy plan might be part of this but it's very ill thought through.
I'd prefer to see things like profit-making schools and some extra measures on the HRA bill (still undeclared) and immigration.
Last night I alluded to a beast of a super injunction- and it wasn't this threesome celebrity thing. My friend says it is known amongst a few journos. That's what I thought might come out at the Shooting Star tonight.
Come to Italy...It is the common view to think that the world is a labyrinthine maze of murky intrigues interlocking the most simple of events; anyone just offering a bog standard explanation is considered off their proverbial.
Blairmore holdings. ......panmure gordon. ....pinsent Mason. .....Carroll trust. Follow the trail......of money. And see the YouTube clip I posted on here late last night.
Ooooh, it's ages since I've been tangentially linked to a good conspiracy theory.
Yes, well, that's normally correct in Italy. You'll be telling me that Andreotti was a simple politician next.......
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https://twitter.com/vote_leave/status/717785043754729472/video/1?utm_content=buffere42fe&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Oh really.
Yep, the only place any citizens of the United Kingdom turn to is politicalbetting.com. And, after all, it steered us sooooooo successfully at the General Election ...
Lol
Every talking head that has come on the tv today has said, you have a pension, you have an investment (2nd hand) just like Cameron. In comparison, Jimmy Carr invested in a scheme where you gave money, they lent it back to you and it was one big washing machine to avoid the full tax payable.
The issue with Cameron's fund was the use of bearer bonds, which could be exploited to avoid profits which the fund made (which Cameron didn't), which many other funds used and Cameron himself has outlawed.
And there is the issue of the money left in Jersey, which hasn't been fully disclosed. My guess would be it was left to Cameron's mother and siblings, but in a tax efficient way. Just like arch socialist Tony Benn did.
And as an utter pleb, I love being in the plebian fray.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/2915b0b8-0f67-11e5-897e-00144feabdc0.html
It was a stupid hostage to fortune anyway, it still looks like iffy to people who are not that involved in tax planning, and coming after his sanctimonious rant about Jimmy Carr smells like hypocrisy.... he should have had someone else make the rant, someone who didn't have a history of involvement in financial dealing that to the uninitiated (ie. most of the electorate) looks underhand.
When working for a blue chip in the noughties, we'd a director who'd spend £4k on lap dancing for clients without a blink.
That sort of thing seems very unlikely now, but who knows. Unless you're there.
Well there's one difference right there. Step away from your screen and look at today's fronts (which whatever Smithson says do still affect national mood), then come back and turn on your telly for BBC News and Sky News.
Oh, and Ted Cruz was an alleged sex scandal probably pushed by Trump. This is a now proven tax dodging scandal by our Prime Minister who has spent several years lecturing the country on financial probity. If you can't see the difference ... well ... there we have it.
But a challenge to Cameron requires Conservative backbenchers to write to Graham Brady. They are not going to be influenced by Twitter.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/10/10961776/twitter-q4-2015-earnings-user-base-stall-shrink
What's worse, they don't seem to understand the way their users want to interact with their product.
The patronising arrogance towards twitter, when pb.com was disastrously wrong about the General Election, is so far beyond parody as to be amusing.
Still, perhaps we should ask Lord Ashcroft's polling advice?
I remember one MP wrote a very careful response explaining all his expenses, including about why he had bought a new kitchen and it was the first and only time in 13 years of being an MP...and the Telegraph still splattered him.
I someone feel that the problem in some respects of having a background in PR like Cameron is you like to be in front of the cameras, and find yourself waxing lyrical about things it would in retrospect have been wiser to send out a minister, of some sort, to say. Its the same as Cameron slamming Trump in very personal terms, not at all smart when there is a chance that he might be the next leader of our closest ally and the big kid on the block.
Dave will also have to do something Very Right Wing to raise the moral of the troops and show he isn't an effete Guardianista.
Dusting himself off, reshuffling the deck and then carrying on just the same as before won't quite cut it.
New Labour were excellent at this "crisis management".
Paradoxically, Cameron did exactly this with expenses scandal. Came out straight away and after some focus on wisteria, the media were on to bigger and better things.
"And when the Prime Minister breaks away from a G20 summit to condemn you personally, that's when you realise that you've got a problem."
He is probably enjoying this week enormously.
Are you a Lib Dem too?
Goats Cheese in Filo Pastry (I kid you not...)
Carr's used that line before - it is good.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Cameron, it doesn't seem he's done anything particularly egregious - nothing like Carr.
But then I remember how Cameron's trying to rig the referendum, and so I stop caring.
If this is what being on their best behaviour looks I'd very much enjoy watching when they let themselves go.
Interestingly they started to lose users just around the time they enacted their censorship council. One wonders how the board will try and deny the two are related.
Campaigning Labour MP John Mann said he will refer David Cameron to the Parliamentary standards watchdog for keeping the £30,000-worth of offshore shares a secret during his years in Opposition.
"Action will have to be taken, there's no question about it," Mr Mann told the Mirror.
"He has broken the rules and principles of standards in public life.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-faces-sleaze-probe-7715449
I'll promote generic Tory stuff, but nothing for Cameron or Osborne now. Ditto defending either. I'm feeling duped, and it takes a lot of piss taking to lose my loyalty.
“We like to organise our visits to send a message in pictorial terms exactly what we’re asking for,” said Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie, unaware of what the pigs were doing in the background.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/who-said-politics-was-boaring?utm_term=.dg5Da6m9A9#.ac2PrjONLN
'Wow this #resignCameron is really gaining traction. He's an idiot for obfuscating and lying given how vitriolic he was towards people like Jimmy Carr.
I've no idea what this thread's about. The leadership challenge won't come before the last week of June. And come it will.'
The same Twitter idiots that were forecasting a Labour landslide last year ?
Donchaknow that's Willie Rennie, Leader of the Lib Dems in Scotland, heading for even greater obscurity?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-35984747
You've certainly changed your tune since May last year.
'David Cameron Trolled By ‘House Of Cards’ Twitter Account Over #ResignCameron'
http://tinyurl.com/grnalee
http://tinyurl.com/j3f6oqw
It was about damaging Osborne. With Gove as Chancellor it'll be a different story.
But backbench MPs will expect to see meaningful change. I expect more non-fiscal measures.
The full compulsory academy plan might be part of this but it's very ill thought through.
I'd prefer to see things like profit-making schools and some extra measures on the HRA bill (still undeclared) and immigration.