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  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Irritatingly the report leaves out two crucial items:

    1. Have they weighted according to likelihood to vote, or are these raw figures?
    2. THey say that "most" doubtfuls say they support Remain, if pressed. But what about the sodding figures?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited April 2016
    Der Trump in Wausau-Rothschild, WI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVy_aSJD1Uw
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,070
    I can't see why Conservatives are so aghast at nationalisation. The taking of suburban rail franchises by Transport for London is one form of nationalisation and the forced conversion of all schools to Academies another.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    Land of Dope and Glory? :(
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Where are all the Spurs fans ?

    Drowning their sorrows? 15 more points from a possible 21 and Leicester have the Championship. That is even with Spurs winning all their remaining games.

    Arsenal coming second would cause apoplexy.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    stodge said:

    I can't see why Conservatives are so aghast at nationalisation. The taking of suburban rail franchises by Transport for London is one form of nationalisation and the forced conversion of all schools to Academies another.

    EU rules prevent full-on state ownership of railways
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,674
    Having clicked on the link at the beginning of Sean Fear (Old Man?)'s dispatch, I see, contrary to my expectations, Warrington listed as one of the major LEAVE-inclined areas. But it's a poll of 200 people, by LOLGov, so I am not abrogating my judgement on this topic. Labour-leaning non-deprived areas will vote Remain, or Leave will win by a landslide.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312

    Where are all the Spurs fans ?

    Drowning their sorrows? 15 more points from a possible 21 and Leicester have the Championship. That is even with Spurs winning all their remaining games.

    Arsenal coming second would cause apoplexy.
    Arsenal coming first would cause even more angst among their own supporters!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    Sean Fear: "Greater London is by some margin, the most Europhile region of England."

    Not in the pubs and other meeteries I frequent in SW London it isn't.

    Based on a wholly atypical survey of my family, friends and acquaintances, I reckon LEAVE would win by at least a 60% : 40% margin, which must mean it's time to plonk your money down on REMAIN!

    Two of my oldest friends who detest Brussels and texted me in the last six months saying they were definitely "out" have gone all wibbly-wobbly.

    One is a partner at a law firm in the City; the other is an international security risk consultant. Both are Conservative middle-class Conservatives, the core swing group Sean identifies.

    A third ex-colleague at work, project management consultant in his 60s and about to retire, is wobbling because he wants to retire to Spain.

    He voted UKIP and for Mark Reckless in R&S.

    (I should also add they are all men. Are men more wibbly-wobbly than women? There is contrary evidence from the Sindy Ref that they are more emotive on national identity and less "practical" on economics, but, then again, once a lady has made up her mind....)
    Or maybe you associate with spineless weaklings.

    Perhaps you should look for some new friends.
    Hmm. That's a bit uncalled for. They are greatly frustrating me, but they are decent people.

    My point is more that it's these experiences that convince me that Remain will win. If this demographic was solid for Leave, as I thought it would be, then I think Leave might just have a shot at doing it.

    I don't want it to be true, but I think it is.

    (And, believe me: I am working hard to make the case to each of them, and will continue to do so until polling day.)
    Such anecdotes are interesting but surely not any more indicative than everyone at SeanT's boozy pub lunch in deepest Devon (or wherever he lives) swearingly opining in favour of Remain.
    Please, please, please call SeanT a Devonshire boy - I'd like to see the reaction.

    He actually lives in Camden Town. Sorry I mean Primrose Hill (borders).

    He is a poncy Devonshire cream-tea boy - he was born in Teignmouth. ;)
    And grew up in Hereford.

    But lets talk about him no more - it would boost his ego even more if he thinks we talk about him when he isn't here.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tlg86 said:

    Where are all the Spurs fans ?

    Drowning their sorrows? 15 more points from a possible 21 and Leicester have the Championship. That is even with Spurs winning all their remaining games.

    Arsenal coming second would cause apoplexy.
    Arsenal coming first would cause even more angst among their own supporters!
    Its not going to happen though ;-).
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312

    stodge said:

    I can't see why Conservatives are so aghast at nationalisation. The taking of suburban rail franchises by Transport for London is one form of nationalisation and the forced conversion of all schools to Academies another.

    EU rules prevent full-on state ownership of railways
    London's railways are as nationalized/privatized as the rest of the country. It's just that TfL is responsible for letting the franchise and not the DfT. Transport Scotland does ScotRail/Caledonian Sleeper and it looks like WAG will doe the Welsh franchise. There is talk, however, that some services currently in the ATW franchise will be removed from the next one if most of the revenue is earned in England.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2016

    Sean Fear: "Greater London is by some margin, the most Europhile region of England."

    Not in the pubs and other meeteries I frequent in SW London it isn't.

    Based on a wholly atypical survey of my family, friends and acquaintances, I reckon LEAVE would win by at least a 60% : 40% margin, which must mean it's time to plonk your money down on REMAIN!

    Two of my oldest friends who detest Brussels and texted me in the last six months saying they were definitely "out" have gone all wibbly-wobbly.

    One is a partner at a law firm in the City; the other is an international security risk consultant. Both are Conservative middle-class Conservatives, the core swing group Sean identifies.

    A third ex-colleague at work, project management consultant in his 60s and about to retire, is wobbling because he wants to retire to Spain.

    He voted UKIP and for Mark Reckless in R&S.

    (I should also add they are all men. Are men more wibbly-wobbly than women? There is contrary evidence from the Sindy Ref that they are more emotive on national identity and less "practical" on economics, but, then again, once a lady has made up her mind....)
    Or maybe you associate with spineless weaklings.

    Perhaps you should look for some new friends.
    Hmm. That's a bit uncalled for. They are greatly frustrating me, but they are decent people.

    My point is more that it's these experiences that convince me that Remain will win. If this demographic was solid for Leave, as I thought it would be, then I think Leave might just have a shot at doing it.

    I don't want it to be true, but I think it is.

    (And, believe me: I am working hard to make the case to each of them, and will continue to do so until polling day.)
    Such anecdotes are interesting but surely not any more indicative than everyone at SeanT's boozy pub lunch in deepest Devon (or wherever he lives) swearingly opining in favour of Remain.
    Please, please, please call SeanT a Devonshire boy - I'd like to see the reaction.

    He actually lives in Camden Town. Sorry I mean Primrose Hill (borders).

    He is a poncy Devonshire cream-tea boy - he was born in Teignmouth. ;)
    And grew up in Hereford.

    But lets talk about him no more - it would boost his ego even more if he thinks we talk about him when he isn't here.
    FWIW Ice Twins is in the Amazon kindle spring sale at 99p

    Though I went for William Shirers "Fall of the French 3rd Republic"

  • There's another EURef poll coming out from GQRR
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417

    There's another EURef poll coming out from GQRR

    Accrington Stanley GQRR? Who are they?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    West Ham still fifth despite the draw at home to Palace.
  • There's another EURef poll coming out from GQRR

    Accrington Stanley GQRR? Who are they?
    Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, they were Labour's internal pollsters at the last election.

    They foretold Ed would not be PM
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417

    There's another EURef poll coming out from GQRR

    Accrington Stanley GQRR? Who are they?
    Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, they were Labour's internal pollsters at the last election.

    They foretold Ed would not be PM
    Tory propaganda! Oh sorry, this is 2016, not 2015 :)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sean_F said:

    AndyJS said:

    Interesting piece. My only problem with it is the final paragraph: the local authorities mentioned are not going to be the ones to watch on the night IMO because Remain will easily win councils like Brighton and Ealing and Leave will win in Thanet and Southend. It'll be places that are more balanced between the two sides which will be of most interest. Places like Swindon, Warrington, Plymouth, Derby, etc.

    I think Leave will win Swindon, Warrington, Plymouth, and Derby.
    Perhaps those weren't good examples, but my main point was that Brighton and Ealing are likely to vote Remain even if the overall result is Leave 60%. I wouldn't be surprised if Brighton has one of the highest Remain results in England outside London.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    There's another EURef poll coming out from GQRR

    Accrington Stanley GQRR? Who are they?
    Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, they were Labour's internal pollsters at the last election.

    They foretold Ed would not be PM

    Accurate, then.
  • There's another EURef poll coming out from GQRR

    Accrington Stanley GQRR? Who are they?
    Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, they were Labour's internal pollsters at the last election.

    They foretold Ed would not be PM

    Accurate, then.
    They actually polled Mike in one of those amusing small world happenstances

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/late-swing-labours-private-polls-showed-tories-ahead-christmas
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump exhorting people to go to church...
  • BTW - I apologise in advance for my morning thread.

    Some of you will need therapy.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    100+ delegates 'to abandon Trump after first ballot'

    This could be yuuuuge

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trumps-uphill-delegate-scramble-221443
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @PClipp

    'Not complicated, Mr Fear??? It is enormously complicated, thanks to the idiots we have heading our government today. And the terms in which they have phrased the question.

    On the one hand, we can vote for the EU as it has been renegotiated so brilliantly by Mr Cameron. If you vote Remain, that is a vote of approval for Mr Cameron and his Conservatives.

    On the other hand, we can vote for leaving, which is obviously a vote in favour of Mr Farage and all he stands for,

    Then there are all the other shades of opinion, but they don`t matter, because our votes will all be scooped up in one of the above interpretations or the other.

    Or we can just refuse to be stampeded into voting for either of these dreadful alternatives.'



    You really are a drama queen.




  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417

    BTW - I apologise in advance for my morning thread.

    I think I need therapy.

    :lol:

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited April 2016
    Trump: NATO is obsolete...

    I'm a smart guy. I could be the most presidential president, but that would be boring, right?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Sean Fear: "Greater London is by some margin, the most Europhile region of England."

    Not in the pubs and other meeteries I frequent in SW London it isn't.

    Based on a wholly atypical survey of my family, friends and acquaintances, I reckon LEAVE would win by at least a 60% : 40% margin, which must mean it's time to plonk your money down on REMAIN!

    Two of my oldest friends who detest Brussels and texted me in the last six months saying they were definitely "out" have gone all wibbly-wobbly.

    One is a partner at a law firm in the City; the other is an international security risk consultant. Both are Conservative middle-class Conservatives, the core swing group Sean identifies.

    A third ex-colleague at work, project management consultant in his 60s and about to retire, is wobbling because he wants to retire to Spain.

    He voted UKIP and for Mark Reckless in R&S.

    (I should also add they are all men. Are men more wibbly-wobbly than women? There is contrary evidence from the Sindy Ref that they are more emotive on national identity and less "practical" on economics, but, then again, once a lady has made up her mind....)
    Or maybe you associate with spineless weaklings.

    Perhaps you should look for some new friends.
    Hmm. That's a bit uncalled for. They are greatly frustrating me, but they are decent people.

    My point is more that it's these experiences that convince me that Remain will win. If this demographic was solid for Leave, as I thought it would be, then I think Leave might just have a shot at doing it.

    I don't want it to be true, but I think it is.

    (And, believe me: I am working hard to make the case to each of them, and will continue to do so until polling day.)
    Such anecdotes are interesting but surely not any more indicative than everyone at SeanT's boozy pub lunch in deepest Devon (or wherever he lives) swearingly opining in favour of Remain.
    Please, please, please call SeanT a Devonshire boy - I'd like to see the reaction.

    He actually lives in Camden Town. Sorry I mean Primrose Hill (borders).

    He is a poncy Devonshire cream-tea boy - he was born in Teignmouth. ;)
    And grew up in Hereford.

    But lets talk about him no more - it would boost his ego even more if he thinks we talk about him when he isn't here.
    I thought he touted his Cornishness.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2016

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    edited April 2016

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    It means every time you have a curry, you're telling the world you're a racist colonialist.

    To stop offending people and to show you're English, have fish and chips instead.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    I was just about to post the same article.

    Imagine the furore if the world white was replaced with something else, and the dreadlocks idea with something stereotypically worn by another group of people.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    I'd like to know just how I should plait and wear my dreadlocks so I stay on the "right" side of appreciation, but not appropriation.

    Do they need to hang them one way, or the other? Do I need to dye them? Do I need to wear a fabric label stitched onto my backpack saying, "I WEAR THESE IN APPRECIATIVE HONOUR OF YOUR CULTURE"?

    Or do I just have to humbly justify myself to any braindead hyperchildish prig who feels offended by the sight of me, and make it MY problem, every time they can't keep their stupid paranoia, insecurities and sensitivities to themselves?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2016
    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK. Very bizarre.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    It means every time you have a curry, you're telling the world you're a racist colonialist.

    To stop offending people and to show you're English, have fish and chips instead.
    Seriously, this makes me want to fly to America, get dreadlocks, wear a sombrero and graffiti supportive slogans for Trump across as many walls as I can* of major American universities.

    (*and anything else that would cause them maximum annoyance)
  • pinkrosepinkrose Posts: 189

    Charming....in order to prevent the bigots and the racists, it is fine to be violent. Regressive progressives yet again.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/35952240

    What a sad,pathetic sight those EDL/Britain First bunch are. All half a dozen of them lol. They are basically life's losers....embarrassing!
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    There's another EURef poll coming out from GQRR

    Accrington Stanley GQRR? Who are they?
    Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, they were Labour's internal pollsters at the last election.

    They foretold Ed would not be PM
    So did I, so what?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Dreadlocks are actually an ancient Jewish Nazarite hairstyle:

    http://get-knotted.weebly.com/nazarites.html

    There is a case that John the Baptist and possibly Jesus too wore their hair in dreads.

    The style was adopted by Rastas well versed in the Old Testament for that very reason.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    I'd assumed that story from the other day was so stupid it would go no further, given how aggressive the lady in question had been to the 'offending' person, so when I saw that BBC story I summoned up my inner close mindedness and didn't even bother to read it.
  • MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    We're fortunate that we've not slavery/segregation/Jim Crow over here.

    I think that context has what has impacted on modern day America, they see everything through that prism, ignoring the fact America has elected a black man twice as President.
  • That Sunday Times story might be all fart and no follow through

    Despite Bonar’s claims, The Sunday Times has no independent evidence Bonar treated the players.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    We're fortunate that we've not slavery/segregation/Jim Crow over here.

    I think that context has what has impacted on modern day America, they see everything through that prism, ignoring the fact America has elected a black man twice as President.
    Mixed Race! His mum is white
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    It means every time you have a curry, you're telling the world you're a racist colonialist.

    To stop offending people and to show you're English, have fish and chips instead.
    There was a campaign in the US not so long ago about cultural appropriation within the world of food and cookery.

    Apparently it is unacceptable to seek out authentic cuisine or to ask someone about their indigenous foods.

    Chips? Not sure if they are British enough. Potatoes, after all, were brought here as a result of our invasion of North America. Chips are clearly racist.
  • Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.
  • MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    We're fortunate that we've not slavery/segregation/Jim Crow over here.

    I think that context has what has impacted on modern day America, they see everything through that prism, ignoring the fact America has elected a black man twice as President.
    Mixed Race! His mum is white
    To the KKK he's black
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    We're fortunate that we've not slavery/segregation/Jim Crow over here.

    I think that context has what has impacted on modern day America, they see everything through that prism, ignoring the fact America has elected a black man twice as President.
    Yes, they've gone from one extreme to another.

    During WWII, many Brits in the UK were puzzled* as by the colour bar in the US army. Funnily enough, there aren't many American war films that major on that.

    (*a great many white British troops served alongside multiracial imperial troops all over the world)
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    But you used the American version of the past participle of 'get' so we are clearly on the slippery slope....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    kle4 said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    I'd assumed that story from the other day was so stupid it would go no further, given how aggressive the lady in question had been to the 'offending' person, so when I saw that BBC story I summoned up my inner close mindedness and didn't even bother to read it.
    If you look at the reporting, and much of the follow-up interviews, it is from the usual ultra-gaylord ponceyboots sympathetic angle of the liberal-left that demands defensive responses from the "guilty" to justify to the interviewer just why it should be ok.

    THIS ENCOURAGES THEM.

    The only answer should be to bugger off, and mind your own business.

    I wish Conservatives (the world over) would get a very rigid backbone on this.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    runnymede said:

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    But you used the American version of the past participle of 'get' so we are clearly on the slippery slope....
    Clear cultural appropriation of the language there. Please go and sit on the naughty step.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    runnymede said:

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    But you used the American version of the past participle of 'get' so we are clearly on the slippery slope....
    Clear cultural appropriation of the language there. Please go and sit on the naughty step.
    Lol.

    (I really can't be arsed to check my grammar past 11pm on a Saturday night - bite me.)
  • MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    We're fortunate that we've not slavery/segregation/Jim Crow over here.

    I think that context has what has impacted on modern day America, they see everything through that prism, ignoring the fact America has elected a black man twice as President.
    Yes, they've gone from one extreme to another.

    During WWII, many Brits in the UK were puzzled* as by the colour bar in the US army. Funnily enough, there aren't many American war films that major on that.

    (*a great many white British troops served alongside multiracial imperial troops all over the world)
    The largest volunteer army in history was the British Indian/Pakistani Army during World War II.

    Something which confuses many who think the Empire was evil and racist.

    I've said before, my Grandfather was bemused and proud that within the space of 25 years he went from being part of the British Empire to a respected British citizen, and in fact less time when he first arrived in the UK.

    He found it fascinating that the natives here immediately started respecting him and treated him like everyone else
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    edited April 2016

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    We're fortunate that we've not slavery/segregation/Jim Crow over here.

    I think that context has what has impacted on modern day America, they see everything through that prism, ignoring the fact America has elected a black man twice as President.
    Yes, they've gone from one extreme to another.

    During WWII, many Brits in the UK were puzzled* as by the colour bar in the US army. Funnily enough, there aren't many American war films that major on that.

    (*a great many white British troops served alongside multiracial imperial troops all over the world)
    The largest volunteer army in history was the British Indian/Pakistani Army during World War II.

    Something which confuses many who think the Empire was evil and racist.

    I've said before, my Grandfather was bemused and proud that within the space of 25 years he went from being part of the British Empire to a respected British citizen, and in fact less time when he first arrived in the UK.

    He found it fascinating that the natives here immediately started respecting him and treated him like everyone else
    Bravo.

    Edit: I should also add my own Grandfather served in the Indian Army, in India. He was anything but a Lefty (he thought Gandhi a "troublemaker") but he was greatly annoyed by the colour bar in the Indian Army officers mess.

    His view was that he, as a white British Officer, served alongside Indian Officers, in the same regiment in the same army, and they should all be treated equally and socialise together as they served together.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    In regards to the world going ever so slightly mad, I was reading an article about an hour ago about a Student Union meeting in Scotland where a member of the committee was threatened with expulsion from the meeting because she raised her hand to indicate that she wanted to make a point. She was also told that shaking her head in disagreement was a violation of their safe(r) spaces policies.

    SJW madness is everywhere. And rational minded people have a duty to fight it wherever it is.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    In regards to the world going ever so slightly mad, I was reading an article about an hour ago about a Student Union meeting in Scotland where a member of the committee was threatened with expulsion from the meeting because she raised her hand to indicate that she wanted to make a point. She was also told that shaking her head in disagreement was a violation of their safe(r) spaces policies.

    SJW madness is everywhere. And rational minded people have a duty to fight it wherever it is.

    It isn't madness (in the sense you imply at least). It's a calculated strategy aimed at gaining power over others.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    edited April 2016

    In regards to the world going ever so slightly mad, I was reading an article about an hour ago about a Student Union meeting in Scotland where a member of the committee was threatened with expulsion from the meeting because she raised her hand to indicate that she wanted to make a point. She was also told that shaking her head in disagreement was a violation of their safe(r) spaces policies.

    SJW madness is everywhere. And rational minded people have a duty to fight it wherever it is.

    Even my alma mater has done something particularly stupid. I had to check it wasn't an April Fool

    University is preparing to abolish public Class Lists

    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10060

    This means the end to Tompkins Table, which led to this magnificent observation

    A clear correlation has been found between the amount of money colleges spend on alcohol and the percentage of firsts they receive.

    A genius Cambridge grad has found a link between the money colleges spend on booze and the number of firsts their students achieve.

    Churchill grad Grayden Reece-Smith has made a chart that appears to show a relationship between the amount of wine supplied by colleges and academic performance.

    http://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2014/02/04/proof-booze-brings-top-grades-33080
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    That Sunday Times story might be all fart and no follow through

    Despite Bonar’s claims, The Sunday Times has no independent evidence Bonar treated the players.

    Dr Bonar does have form for being economical with the truth:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/harley-street-doctor-hid-womans-6986419
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    They are all over the place at present. Tory seppukko in public.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    In regards to the world going ever so slightly mad, I was reading an article about an hour ago about a Student Union meeting in Scotland where a member of the committee was threatened with expulsion from the meeting because she raised her hand to indicate that she wanted to make a point. She was also told that shaking her head in disagreement was a violation of their safe(r) spaces policies.

    SJW madness is everywhere. And rational minded people have a duty to fight it wherever it is.

    In Victorian times it was inappropriate for a lady to show her ankles. It got so ridiculous that table feet with curves used to have lace covers to hide what might be perceived as a ladies ankle.

    This reminds me of that and we appear to have come full circle. In a 100 years the next generation are going to view this as WTF were they thinking?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    They're more of a ' please don't be mad at us, we're not meanies' party.
  • Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    *consider*
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    They're more of a ' please don't be mad at us, we're not meanies' party.
    Not helped by IDS and vote.leave saying that they are.

    When the chief baby eater says such a thing it is hard to deny.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865

    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    *consider*
    A word that can be used many ways. Sometimes it means you had better do a particular thing or else, with the justification not doing it means you did not 'consider' whatever chosen factor appropriately. Well see
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    looks like empty propaganda/desperate spin to me - nothing will come of it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    We're fortunate that we've not slavery/segregation/Jim Crow over here.

    I think that context has what has impacted on modern day America, they see everything through that prism, ignoring the fact America has elected a black man twice as President.
    Yes, they've gone from one extreme to another.

    During WWII, many Brits in the UK were puzzled* as by the colour bar in the US army. Funnily enough, there aren't many American war films that major on that.

    (*a great many white British troops served alongside multiracial imperial troops all over the world)
    The largest volunteer army in history was the British Indian/Pakistani Army during World War II.

    British Indian Army!

    Pakistan didn't exist until 1947 :)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Army
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    The BBC has gone all Guardian - is it OK for white people to have dreadlocks?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35944803

    "People may be showing appreciation, but they should be careful of sidestepping into appropriation.."

    WTF does that even MEAN?

    How black do you have to be to qualify for dreadlocks?
    If you have ever watched American television, they obsess over how black someone is. In the 30 minutes or so of watching TMZ they commented on how black someone is three times. I have never heard such remarks in the UK.
    It seems that Black isn't just a skin-colour in the States.

    However bad political correctness has become here, at least we haven't gotten as bad as the utter and total madness that now reigns in the USA.
    We're fortunate that we've not slavery/segregation/Jim Crow over here.

    I think that context has what has impacted on modern day America, they see everything through that prism, ignoring the fact America has elected a black man twice as President.
    Yes, they've gone from one extreme to another.

    During WWII, many Brits in the UK were puzzled* as by the colour bar in the US army. Funnily enough, there aren't many American war films that major on that.

    (*a great many white British troops served alongside multiracial imperial troops all over the world)
    One of the good ones that does is the original movie " The Tuskegee airmen" remade latterly as "Red Tails"
    A fine and honourable story. I can recommend both movies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Airmen
  • kle4 said:

    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    *consider*
    A word that can be used many ways. Sometimes it means you had better do a particular thing or else, with the justification not doing it means you did not 'consider' whatever chosen factor appropriately. Well see
    I'm considering having a threesome with Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks, I've made plans of what I would like them to do.

    I suspect the likelihood of the government's plan happening is less than the likelihood of my ménage à trois happening.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865

    kle4 said:

    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    They're more of a ' please don't be mad at us, we're not meanies' party.
    Not helped by IDS and vote.leave saying that they are.

    When the chief baby eater says such a thing it is hard to deny.
    Quite. In many areas either they abandon austerity or will have to stop fighting the heartless image - fair or not, ids claimed they were heartless, that's hard to live fight (his caveats about austerity to date don't mitigate things).

    Wouldn't be a problem if the competent reputation were intact and the opposition were crap.

    Good night all.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Moses_ said:

    In regards to the world going ever so slightly mad, I was reading an article about an hour ago about a Student Union meeting in Scotland where a member of the committee was threatened with expulsion from the meeting because she raised her hand to indicate that she wanted to make a point. She was also told that shaking her head in disagreement was a violation of their safe(r) spaces policies.

    SJW madness is everywhere. And rational minded people have a duty to fight it wherever it is.

    In Victorian times it was inappropriate for a lady to show her ankles. It got so ridiculous that table feet with curves used to have lace covers to hide what might be perceived as a ladies ankle.

    This reminds me of that and we appear to have come full circle. In a 100 years the next generation are going to view this as WTF were they thinking?
    The backlash against the regressive left is happening. But it will take time to defeat their attempted takeover.

    Academics will eventually remember that they are there to stand up for intellectual debate and challenging ideas - rather than molly-coddling little darlings with safe spaces and healing thoughts
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865

    kle4 said:

    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    *consider*
    A word that can be used many ways. Sometimes it means you had better do a particular thing or else, with the justification not doing it means you did not 'consider' whatever chosen factor appropriately. Well see
    I'm considering having a threesome with Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks, I've made plans of what I would like them to do.

    I suspect the likelihood of the government's plan happening is less than the likelihood of my ménage à trois happening.
    Well, the government has more chance of forcing the other parties involved to consider things they want considered but I'll take your word for it
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2016
    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    lol. He deserves the savaging he's about to get.

    Empty words are worse than no words at all.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Yep, it seems whoever you vote for, you get a version of New Labour.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    *consider*
    A word that can be used many ways. Sometimes it means you had better do a particular thing or else, with the justification not doing it means you did not 'consider' whatever chosen factor appropriately. Well see
    I'm considering having a threesome with Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks, I've made plans of what I would like them to do.

    I suspect the likelihood of the government's plan happening is less than the likelihood of my ménage à trois happening.
    Well, the government has more chance of forcing the other parties involved to consider things they want considered but I'll take your word for it
    How much steel does the British state use anyway?

    On a crude back of the fag packet calculation, producing all the track for the HS2 to Birmingham would only keep port talbot occupied for a week or so.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    I keep looking at the date to make sure it's not still April 1st .

    Jeremy Corbyn’s defence spokesman sparked a row last night over claims that she did not know the meaning of ‘Defcon One’ – the term for imminent nuclear war. Gaffe-prone Emily Thornberry shocked aides by asking: ‘Can someone explain Defcon One and Two to me? I’ve only ever seen it in films.’
    She made the remark at a meeting of a group set up to review the Labour leader’s pledge to scrap the UK’s Trident nuclear submarines.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html#ixzz44iLl1aS3
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited April 2016

    That Sunday Times story might be all fart and no follow through

    Despite Bonar’s claims, The Sunday Times has no independent evidence Bonar treated the players.

    Dr Bonar does have form for being economical with the truth:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/harley-street-doctor-hid-womans-6986419
    It seems the story goes that an athlete was busted for doping 2 years ago and he pointed the finger at Bonar in a plea deal. But he couldn't provide any evidence that it was Bonar who was responsible for his doping, and the anti-doping authorities didn't take it any further.

    Now they have got him in some undercover sting whereby an up and coming athlete approached him and he was boasting about who he treated, some of which is within the rules and some of it banned.

    Do need to be a bit careful. The big Al-Jareeza doping documentary was basically the same sting and the dodgy doctor he went to boasted about this massive number of players he treated and it seems in reality that he didn't have a relationship with all the ones he was claiming to treat.
  • Moses_ said:

    I keep looking at the date to make sure it's not still April 1st .

    Jeremy Corbyn’s defence spokesman sparked a row last night over claims that she did not know the meaning of ‘Defcon One’ – the term for imminent nuclear war. Gaffe-prone Emily Thornberry shocked aides by asking: ‘Can someone explain Defcon One and Two to me? I’ve only ever seen it in films.’
    She made the remark at a meeting of a group set up to review the Labour leader’s pledge to scrap the UK’s Trident nuclear submarines.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html#ixzz44iLl1aS3

    To be fair, quite a few people struggle, including one US Defence Secretary, that DefCon 1 is worse than DefCon 5.

    Normal logic tells you on a sliding scale, 5 should be worse than 1
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Moses_ said:

    I keep looking at the date to make sure it's not still April 1st .

    Jeremy Corbyn’s defence spokesman sparked a row last night over claims that she did not know the meaning of ‘Defcon One’ – the term for imminent nuclear war. Gaffe-prone Emily Thornberry shocked aides by asking: ‘Can someone explain Defcon One and Two to me? I’ve only ever seen it in films.’
    She made the remark at a meeting of a group set up to review the Labour leader’s pledge to scrap the UK’s Trident nuclear submarines.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html#ixzz44iLl1aS3

    To be fair, quite a few people struggle, including one US Defence Secretary, that DefCon 1 is worse than DefCon 5.

    Normal logic tells you on a sliding scale, 5 should be worse than 1
    You would think Mrs Bucket would know how to use the google machine...As a lawyer you would have thought researching facts etc would be pretty normal thing for here.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    I keep looking at the date to make sure it's not still April 1st .

    Jeremy Corbyn’s defence spokesman sparked a row last night over claims that she did not know the meaning of ‘Defcon One’ – the term for imminent nuclear war. Gaffe-prone Emily Thornberry shocked aides by asking: ‘Can someone explain Defcon One and Two to me? I’ve only ever seen it in films.’
    She made the remark at a meeting of a group set up to review the Labour leader’s pledge to scrap the UK’s Trident nuclear submarines.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html#ixzz44iLl1aS3

    To be fair, quite a few people struggle, including one US Defence Secretary, that DefCon 1 is worse than DefCon 5.

    Normal logic tells you on a sliding scale, 5 should be worse than 1
    As shadow defence secretary I expect her to have this engraved on her heart particularly as she and her leftie ilk are so keen to use our nuke subs as an extension of Parcel force. Frightening.

    It's quite simply the equivalent of you not knowing what the judge is there for.
  • Moses_ said:

    I keep looking at the date to make sure it's not still April 1st .

    Jeremy Corbyn’s defence spokesman sparked a row last night over claims that she did not know the meaning of ‘Defcon One’ – the term for imminent nuclear war. Gaffe-prone Emily Thornberry shocked aides by asking: ‘Can someone explain Defcon One and Two to me? I’ve only ever seen it in films.’
    She made the remark at a meeting of a group set up to review the Labour leader’s pledge to scrap the UK’s Trident nuclear submarines.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html#ixzz44iLl1aS3

    To be fair, quite a few people struggle, including one US Defence Secretary, that DefCon 1 is worse than DefCon 5.

    Normal logic tells you on a sliding scale, 5 should be worse than 1
    You would think Mrs Bucket would know how to use the google machine...As a lawyer you would have thought researching facts etc would be pretty normal thing for here.
    She's a barrister, she doesn't do any research, she has some solicitor do all the hard work for her, and she talks the talk.
  • That's me done for the evening.

    Again I apologise for the morning thread. I hope it doesn't ruin anyone's breakfast.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited April 2016

    Moses_ said:

    I keep looking at the date to make sure it's not still April 1st .

    Jeremy Corbyn’s defence spokesman sparked a row last night over claims that she did not know the meaning of ‘Defcon One’ – the term for imminent nuclear war. Gaffe-prone Emily Thornberry shocked aides by asking: ‘Can someone explain Defcon One and Two to me? I’ve only ever seen it in films.’
    She made the remark at a meeting of a group set up to review the Labour leader’s pledge to scrap the UK’s Trident nuclear submarines.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html#ixzz44iLl1aS3

    To be fair, quite a few people struggle, including one US Defence Secretary, that DefCon 1 is worse than DefCon 5.

    Normal logic tells you on a sliding scale, 5 should be worse than 1
    You would think Mrs Bucket would know how to use the google machine...As a lawyer you would have thought researching facts etc would be pretty normal thing for here.
    Ain't hard to find. This woman is not only stupid she is completely dangerous. First thing to come up on google search.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=what+do+defcons+mean&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB624GB624&oq=what+do+defcons+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.7206j0j7&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2016

    That's me done for the evening.

    Again I apologise for the morning thread. I hope it doesn't ruin anyone's breakfast.

    Is it more or less scarring than the infamous Sun frontpage focussing on George Osborne's derriere?
  • Danny565 said:

    That's me done for the evening.

    Again I apologise for the morning thread. I hope it doesn't ruin anyone's breakfast.

    Is it more or less scarring than the infamous Sun frontpage focussing on George Osborne's derriere?
    Much much worse.
  • This is the GQRR poll

    The new poll also suggests that the arguments for leaving the EU are proving more decisive among voters. While initial voting intentions give the Remain camp a 45 – 40 lead over Leave, when the two campaigns’ main arguments were put to voters, Leave surges ahead, tying the vote at 42-42.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-could-hold-key-to-eu-referendum-vote-polls-shows-a6965751.html
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Der Trump in Eau Claire, WI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlIRYZfcgzw
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2016
    O/T: A lot of black people wear hair extensions which consist of real hair from white people. That seems to me more questionable than a white person sporting dreadlocks.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00cr3hj
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    The Snake...

    being compared to the Mona Lisa.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @AndyJS

    ' A lot of black people wear hair extensions which consist of real hair from white people. That seems to me more questionable than a white person sporting dreadlocks.'

    Surely black people changing the color of their hair is also questionable.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587

    Moses_ said:

    I keep looking at the date to make sure it's not still April 1st .

    Jeremy Corbyn’s defence spokesman sparked a row last night over claims that she did not know the meaning of ‘Defcon One’ – the term for imminent nuclear war. Gaffe-prone Emily Thornberry shocked aides by asking: ‘Can someone explain Defcon One and Two to me? I’ve only ever seen it in films.’
    She made the remark at a meeting of a group set up to review the Labour leader’s pledge to scrap the UK’s Trident nuclear submarines.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html#ixzz44iLl1aS3

    To be fair, quite a few people struggle, including one US Defence Secretary, that DefCon 1 is worse than DefCon 5.

    Normal logic tells you on a sliding scale, 5 should be worse than 1
    You would think Mrs Bucket would know how to use the google machine...As a lawyer you would have thought researching facts etc would be pretty normal thing for here.
    On the other hand, it ought to be possible to ask something you don't know in a private discussion without having it turn up in the Mail.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Wanderer said:

    Eeesh

    PUBLIC sector bodies will be told to buy British steel in an effort to prop up the ailing industry — as ministers prepare to plough hundreds of millions of pounds into saving Tata’s Port Talbot plant from closure.

    Writing in The Sunday Times, Sajid Javid, the business secretary, says that organisations such as the NHS, Network Rail and Highways England will have to consider the social and economic impact, as well as cost, when buying steel for big projects.

    Good god. That's a terrible idea. And from a centre-right party. Jesus.
    Yes - if the Government wants to get involved, it needs to do something itself, not pathetically ask public sector bodies to pay more for their goods, introducing a random bit of mercantilism.

    In other news, I've just won $400 in poker. Good night!
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump on a roll, railing against the United Nations...
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Ye gods

    The times doping guy is claiming he also supplied to come Dancing??? I mean wait what?? Huh?? Seriously?

    Sky News Newspaper review.

    Breaking news Sky......

    Culture secretary orders full investigation as apparently this claim of "widespread doping" was known about for 2 years
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited April 2016
    Trump's odds lengthen to evens with Betfair on his becoming the GOP nominee, whilst incredibly Corals still have him at 4/9.
  • I'm certainly no expert, but somehow I don't see Trump grubbing along trying desperately to collect a few more delegates' votes here and there in a desperate attempt to secure the nomination .... that doesn't seem to be his style at all.
    More likely, I would think, is that one morning, when no one is expecting it, he will simply announce that if the American people don't wish him to become their President, then he's not going to stand in their way and he'll simply withdraw from the contest totally and utterly and without notice and probably without endorsing anyone else.
    Were that to happen, and we may not be too far from such an event, we PBers need to consider how the aftermath would then look from a betting perspective.
    Would it be left for Cruz and Kasich to slug it out, or perhaps to reach an accommodation?
    I suspect it might become somewhat more complicated than that in a brokered convention and I've taken a small initial defensive step by investing a tenner on Paul Ryan at 20/1 with Hills on him ending up as the Republican nominee.
    As ever, DYOR.
  • Post script -

    If Paul Ryan's worth a small 20/1 punt on winning the GOP nomination, then he's probably worth a pound or two to win the top job, come November, available at odds of 66/1 with the likes of SkyBet, Betfair Sportsbook, etc.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited April 2016
    Just a thought since I seem to all alone here right now ....... after several years, might now be a good time for OGH to consider a change in the colour of PB's masthead from its present sickly mushy pea green, to something, well just a tad more attractive?
    He could even make a grand announcement to such effect at next week's drinks party!
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