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Remain” leads “Leave” by seven points according to the latest ComRes poll for ITV News (fieldwork conducted over the weekend, before the events in Brussels).
if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU.
Crickey this guy is holding himself to hostage to fortune....
I heard a so called expert saying that ISIL are losing territory and being seriously squeezed which makes them much more dangerous and likely to do many more terror attacks
It is definitely true they are losing ground. For example, just today, Syrian forces reached outskirts of Palmyra.
How that will affect potential terrorism in Europe I have no idea, but I certainly wouldn't write stuff like well Brussels shows that lone wolf attacks overstated and this is basically the only cell in Europe able to carry out serious attacks and by ISIS standards its crap...I think the fact is we just don't know. I one thing we do know, the Beligum authorities haven't got a f##king scubby doo if there any other nutters in their midst armed with weapons and bomb making equipment.
What is the world coming to...you just can't get the Jahadi's these days...no wonder ISIS are importing so many via Eastern Europe....
if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU.
Feels to me like the polling companies as a whole have about as much idea of the true state of affairs as the Belgium security services. Its somewhere between 14 point lead and possibly a deficit....depending on phone, internet, etc etc etc...
if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU.
Feels to me like the polling companies have about as much idea of the true state of affairs as the Belgium security services. Its somewhere between 14 point lead and possibly a deficit....
The thing that is most frightening pollsters about this referendum is turnout.
They could be even more wrong on the final result than the GE, and this is a binary choice election
if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU.
Feels to me like the polling companies have about as much idea of the true state of affairs as the Belgium security services. Its somewhere between 14 point lead and possibly a deficit....
The thing that is most frightening pollsters about this referendum is turnout.
They could be even more wrong on the final result than the GE, and this is a binary choice election
Again sounds like the Belgium security services problem...we know we have f##king loads of terrorist sympthaziers, we just have no idea who they are and if they will turn out...
Opinion polls so far out have some, but limited, value. The Norpoth model has Trump beating Sanders 58 to 42, HRC by 52.5 to 47.5. Kasich has only won one primary and struggles to get in the 20s in most places.
L.A.Times poll 3/25/80 Favorables: Anderson 68%; Kennedy 60%; Carter 51%; Ronald Reagan 30%. In March 1980, Reagan was trailing Carter by 15 pts. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/337295/
As an outsider Trump's path is similar to Reagan's, HRC's problem is she is already struggling in the polls, especially in the key swing states. All down hill from here.
More importantly where will Trump find the extra voters outside of his base? There are not enough angry white working class males to fill the gap.
He will attack her from the left while undermining the legitimacy of her identity politics driven demographic advantages.
The polling shows that Clinton is beatable by a generic Republican candidate. Trump only has to detoxify himself sufficiently to make the election a referendum on Clinton which she will lose.
if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU.
Feels to me like the polling companies have about as much idea of the true state of affairs as the Belgium security services. Its somewhere between 14 point lead and possibly a deficit....
The thing that is most frightening pollsters about this referendum is turnout.
They could be even more wrong on the final result than the GE, and this is a binary choice election
Again sounds like the Beligum security services problem...we know we have f##king loads of terrorist sympthaziers, we just have no idea about turn out...
I can't see Indyref levels of turnout.
I think it'll be closer to a GE turnout than the AV referendum turnout
if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU.
Feels to me like the polling companies have about as much idea of the true state of affairs as the Belgium security services. Its somewhere between 14 point lead and possibly a deficit....
The thing that is most frightening pollsters about this referendum is turnout.
They could be even more wrong on the final result than the GE, and this is a binary choice election
Again sounds like the Beligum security services problem...we know we have f##king loads of terrorist sympthaziers, we just have no idea about turn out...
I can't see Indyref levels of turnout.
I think it'll be closer to a GE turnout than the AV referendum turnout
Agreed. The amount of unknowns being recorded at this moment in time also extremely high, and who knows how they will really break.
I find this all tremendously patronising re identity politics, but interesting that this is in the Guardian
Over the past couple of months I’ve managed to shock some people by telling them I’m thinking of voting for Brexit. It seems black voters are supposed to be in favour of staying in the European Union. A report in the Times, though, suggests that’s not necessarily the case, and there are plenty of BAME votes in play if the out campaign gets its arguments straight.
Yes my token black friend, who also conveniently doubles up as my token labour supporting friend, is a firm leave. As a young Londoner like myself, he sees Brexit as an opportunity to raise wages, job opportunities, living standards and lower housing costs.
The vast majority of Sanders voters will vote for Clinton. Your view was much speculated upon in 08 in a similar fashion when Obama defeated Clinton. They came back to the Democrat fold. The rest as they say ....
The analogy with the present election is that the NeverTrump Republicans will all come back into the fold for the General Election.
@PolhomeEditor: No 10 pretty punchy on doctors' strike: "This is an escalation that is desperate and irresponsible and will inevitably impact on patients."
The vast majority of Sanders voters will vote for Clinton. Your view was much speculated upon in 08 in a similar fashion when Obama defeated Clinton. They came back to the Democrat fold. The rest as they say ....
The analogy with the present election is that the NeverTrump Republicans will all come back into the fold for the General Election.
Sanders voters are disgusted with the status quo regarding DC corruption, foreign policy etc., there is no analogy to 08 for the Dems. For the Republicans rallying around the eventual nominee, perhaps, it is a change election.
The vast majority of Sanders voters will vote for Clinton. Your view was much speculated upon in 08 in a similar fashion when Obama defeated Clinton. They came back to the Democrat fold. The rest as they say ....
The analogy with the present election is that the NeverTrump Republicans will all come back into the fold for the General Election.
Sanders voters are disgusted with the status quo regarding DC corruption, foreign policy etc., there is no analogy to 08 for the Dems. For the Republicans rallying around the eventual nominee, perhaps.
There is always talk of "cleaning up Washington" round about this time in the cycle. Always.
More importantly where will Trump find the extra voters outside of his base? There are not enough angry white working class males to fill the gap.
He will attack her from the left while undermining the legitimacy of her identity politics driven demographic advantages.
The polling shows that Clinton is beatable by a generic Republican candidate. Trump only has to detoxify himself sufficiently to make the election a referendum on Clinton which she will lose.
If Trump is anything he is not a generic Republican candidate. It's the reason why he's winning the nomination. Your assumption that Trump "only has to detoxify" is similar to Ed only has to eat a bacon sandwich with aplomb.
Demographics are also not abstract concepts. It's the reason why important swing states are trending blue and why the "identity politics" see Trump losing massively with hispanics, AA and at a significant disadvantage with women. Your theories were used by McCain and Romney cheerleaders - Hoping for third time lucky?
Can I bet on how many 000s of posts here trash this poll?
Knowing you, I'd place your bet at 999 out of 1000.
Pollsters have been pretty crap over the last year. They are all nonsense. Just keep on campaigning and wait for the real poll. Don't waste time studying tea leaves, chicken entrails or poll internals.
Hmm. A lot of good for Leave mood music is playing. But I remain unconvinced (for now).
Fear of the unknown is greater than fear of the known. The status quo, the power of inertia, is significant. Remain has all the major parties on its side (unless you count UKIP, which is purging the non-believers and led by a man whose talent is eclipsed by his ego). Big business is also pro-EU.
Leave has print media (in the main) but I can't think of any other comparable area where it has dominance.
Hmm. A lot of good for Leave mood music is playing. But I remain unconvinced (for now).
Fear of the unknown is greater than fear of the known. The status quo, the power of inertia, is significant. Remain has all the major parties on its side (unless you count UKIP, which is purging the non-believers and led by a man whose talent is eclipsed by his ego). Big business is also pro-EU.
Leave has print media (in the main) but I can't think of any other comparable area where it has dominance.
But how will we cope with the Belgium refuse to share their intelligence on terrorists....
Hmm, the turnout weighting seems off, not just compared to other polls, but also to my own instincts of the Leave side being much more motivated.
I had a chat with someone about this, he posited a theory, which I hadn't thought about.
There's some pretty motivated Pro EU people out there too.
Think the Lib Dems, the Labour right, possibly the Greens and various Nat parties.
They just aren't voluble as the Leavers.
I guess, but the Tory remainers seem the most flaky, maybe that's similar to the Labour leavers. It just surprises me that the flaky leavers outnumber the flaky remainers, it's not something I've come across.
Mr. Urquhart, I'm highly likely to vote Leave, so you need not convince me. But I think a lot of floating voters and the politically disinterested, who are displeased with and grumpy about the EU, will drift back to Remain as the day comes nearer and concerns about the chaos [as Remain would describe it] of leaving become very real.
Your theories were used by McCain and Romney cheerleaders - Hoping for third time lucky?
There's absolutely no comparison between McCain or Romney and Trump.
Trump's name has been synonymous with success and wealth in black hip-hop culture for years. He has experience and contacts across the entertainment business and will be able to turn out unexpected celebrity endorsements. Clinton will be forced to spend far too much time fighting on turf that will not help her with the voters she needs to turn out for her to win.
Hmm. A lot of good for Leave mood music is playing. But I remain unconvinced (for now).
Fear of the unknown is greater than fear of the known. The status quo, the power of inertia, is significant. Remain has all the major parties on its side (unless you count UKIP, which is purging the non-believers and led by a man whose talent is eclipsed by his ego). Big business is also pro-EU.
Leave has print media (in the main) but I can't think of any other comparable area where it has dominance.
Remain grates upon the English spirit, Leave feels smooth and ingrained. Do you not agree?
How did Molenbeek become Europe’s jihadi base? Essentially, it has to do with Belgium’s messy governance and the culture of denial that pervades the debate about Islam in the country. Molenbeek is a vibrant community, with narrow streets and a busy street life. There is a teahouse on every corner, a quiet mosque on every block, where people can congregate undisturbed. There are cheap apartments galore, no questions asked. Just like the guerrilla can hide in the jungle, jihadis feel safe in the disorganized Kashba of Molenbeek. The highway and the city’s busiest international railroad station are a stone’s throw away. It’s the perfect logistical base.
... The lack of a strong, central authority may be one of the many quirks of this sometimes charmingly dysfunctional country, .... also creates the perfect breeding ground for potential terrorists.
But the most important factor is Belgium’s culture of denial. The country’s political debate has been dominated by a complacent progressive elite that firmly believes society can be designed and planned. Observers who point to unpleasant truths such as the high incidence of crime among Moroccan youth and violent tendencies in radical Islam are accused of being propagandists of the extreme-right, and are subsequently ignored and ostracized.
Your theories were used by McCain and Romney cheerleaders - Hoping for third time lucky?
There's absolutely no comparison between McCain or Romney and Trump.
Trump's name has been synonymous with success and wealth in black hip-hop culture for years. He has experience and contacts across the entertainment business and will be able to turn out unexpected celebrity endorsements. Clinton will be forced to spend far too much time fighting on turf that will not help her with the voters she needs to turn out for her to win.
Jon Oliver told a funny story the other day about his silly "Make Donald Drumpf Again" hats...apparently Jay-Z rang up and said I want a hat...and they said well they are going quickly, but some are still available to buy on the website...and he said no I want one...as Jon Oliver said if they had given him one and he wears it in public, better still Beyonce, he would stop being the host of a tv show rather the demand would be so high, he would be the boss of a hat company...
Can't help thinking the junior doctors have made a very foolish mistake. The government cannot now be seen to give in. And it will take just one incident to turn public opinion. This is beginning to remind me of the miners strike in certain ways.
Hmm, the turnout weighting seems off, not just compared to other polls, but also to my own instincts of the Leave side being much more motivated.
I had a chat with someone about this, he posited a theory, which I hadn't thought about.
There's some pretty motivated Pro EU people out there too.
Think the Lib Dems, the Labour right, possibly the Greens and various Nat parties.
They just aren't voluble as the Leavers.
A dear friend of mine (not Mrs J) is 100% solid remain. She's almost an anti-UKIPper, to the extent that I fear if she was ever to meet a Kipper there would be a massive explosion in which both parti(cl)es are annihilated.
She trots out all the usual arguments, e.g. 'the EU has prevented war', 'millions of jobs at stake', etc, etc. And like hardcore leavers, *nothing* will convince her otherwise.
I reckon there are lots like her. They're just too busy to argue on t'Internet ...
How did Molenbeek become Europe’s jihadi base? Essentially, it has to do with Belgium’s messy governance and the culture of denial that pervades the debate about Islam in the country. Molenbeek is a vibrant community, with narrow streets and a busy street life. There is a teahouse on every corner, a quiet mosque on every block, where people can congregate undisturbed. There are cheap apartments galore, no questions asked. Just like the guerrilla can hide in the jungle, jihadis feel safe in the disorganized Kashba of Molenbeek. The highway and the city’s busiest international railroad station are a stone’s throw away. It’s the perfect logistical base.
... The lack of a strong, central authority may be one of the many quirks of this sometimes charmingly dysfunctional country, .... also creates the perfect breeding ground for potential terrorists.
But the most important factor is Belgium’s culture of denial. The country’s political debate has been dominated by a complacent progressive elite that firmly believes society can be designed and planned. Observers who point to unpleasant truths such as the high incidence of crime among Moroccan youth and violent tendencies in radical Islam are accused of being propagandists of the extreme-right, and are subsequently ignored and ostracized.
On CH4 last night, a journalist also said there was a feeling in the authorities that they had some sort of "understanding" with the Jahadi elements. If they didn't bother them too much, the Jahadi's wouldn't bring terrorism to Belgium.
Hmm. A lot of good for Leave mood music is playing. But I remain unconvinced (for now).
Fear of the unknown is greater than fear of the known. The status quo, the power of inertia, is significant. Remain has all the major parties on its side (unless you count UKIP, which is purging the non-believers and led by a man whose talent is eclipsed by his ego). Big business is also pro-EU.
Leave has print media (in the main) but I can't think of any other comparable area where it has dominance.
Mr Dancer,
Fear of the unknown could easily apply to us remaining in the EU. What kind of EU will there be in 10 years? 20 years?
Labour MPs who oppose Jeremy Corbyn have been left disappointed after a list ranking their loyalty, allegedly produced by the leader’s office, failed to put them in the “hostile” category.
Can't help thinking the junior doctors have made a very foolish mistake. The government cannot now be seen to give in. And it will take just one incident to turn public opinion. This is beginning to remind me of the miners strike in certain ways.
Hmm, the turnout weighting seems off, not just compared to other polls, but also to my own instincts of the Leave side being much more motivated.
I've been pointing out for ages that the Leave camp is winning C2DEs who don't vote while the Remain camp is winning ABC1s who do vote.
It's not as simple as looking at old versus young as even a quarter of the elderly don't vote. Elderly ABC1s will turnout, a lot of elderly C2DEs don't - and they're polling leave.
Can't help thinking the junior doctors have made a very foolish mistake. The government cannot now be seen to give in. And it will take just one incident to turn public opinion. This is beginning to remind me of the miners strike in certain ways.
Hmm, the turnout weighting seems off, not just compared to other polls, but also to my own instincts of the Leave side being much more motivated.
I had a chat with someone about this, he posited a theory, which I hadn't thought about.
There's some pretty motivated Pro EU people out there too.
Think the Lib Dems, the Labour right, possibly the Greens and various Nat parties.
They just aren't voluble as the Leavers.
I guess, but the Tory remainers seem the most flaky, maybe that's similar to the Labour leavers. It just surprises me that the flaky leavers outnumber the flaky remainers, it's not something I've come across.
I know. But before last year's GE who could have predicted UKIP would cause more damage to Labour than the Tories?
Of course in 08 and 12 Obama was the antiwar candidate. This time Trump will be.
In 12 Romney repulsed the blue collar white workers in the Rust Belt in particular, but really across the nation, leading to a catastrophically low non college educated whites turnout of just 57%. Trump's strength is with these voters.
In 08 and 12 Obama drove a historically high turnout amongst blacks, won't happen this time.
Your theories were used by McCain and Romney cheerleaders - Hoping for third time lucky?
There's absolutely no comparison between McCain or Romney and Trump.
Trump's name has been synonymous with success and wealth in black hip-hop culture for years. He has experience and contacts across the entertainment business and will be able to turn out unexpected celebrity endorsements. Clinton will be forced to spend far too much time fighting on turf that will not help her with the voters she needs to turn out for her to win.
Trump is certainly synonymous with many things ensuring his negatives are only slightly better than @TSE's view of Mark Reckless.
It certainly took an effort for the GOP to come up with a candidate held in a worse light than Clinton. But one thing over the past decade you may rely on the Republican Party is that they have developed an innate ability to cock-up POTUS elections.
Hmm. A lot of good for Leave mood music is playing. But I remain unconvinced (for now).
Fear of the unknown is greater than fear of the known. The status quo, the power of inertia, is significant. Remain has all the major parties on its side (unless you count UKIP, which is purging the non-believers and led by a man whose talent is eclipsed by his ego). Big business is also pro-EU.
Leave has print media (in the main) but I can't think of any other comparable area where it has dominance.
Mr Dancer,
Fear of the unknown could easily apply to us remaining in the EU. What kind of EU will there be in 10 years? 20 years?
Your post indicates why that isn't quite true: the fears of reaming in the EU are in the medium- and long-term. The fears about Brexit are much more immediate.
Can't help thinking the junior doctors have made a very foolish mistake. The government cannot now be seen to give in. And it will take just one incident to turn public opinion. This is beginning to remind me of the miners strike in certain ways.
You overrate the importance of these arrogant, greedy and lazy medics. The strike by these neophyte quacks might actually save some lives.
Can't help thinking the junior doctors have made a very foolish mistake. The government cannot now be seen to give in. And it will take just one incident to turn public opinion. This is beginning to remind me of the miners strike in certain ways.
I think you are wrong , public opinion will remain backing the doctors . An incident as you envisage would see public opinion view the government and Hunt in particular as to be at fault for its intransigence . Playing politics with peoples lives and those of their relatives is a no brain loser .
Dr. Prasannan, I agree, but that's not an intuitive position to hold. People think Remain means the status quo and Leave means change.
The problem is that Remain can engage our primeval brain stem very easily through Project Fear. It's almost a reflexive fight or flight response. It's emotional, visceral and automatic. This will occur subliminally without us even noticing, which is why so many Leavers are starting to get flaky.
That can be overcome but requires us to engage our much more rational neo-cortex part of our brain, which is much harder work as a conscious decision needs to be made to use it.
Hmm, the turnout weighting seems off, not just compared to other polls, but also to my own instincts of the Leave side being much more motivated.
I had a chat with someone about this, he posited a theory, which I hadn't thought about.
There's some pretty motivated Pro EU people out there too.
Think the Lib Dems, the Labour right, possibly the Greens and various Nat parties.
They just aren't voluble as the Leavers.
I guess, but the Tory remainers seem the most flaky, maybe that's similar to the Labour leavers. It just surprises me that the flaky leavers outnumber the flaky remainers, it's not something I've come across.
I know. But before last year's GE who could have predicted UKIP would cause more damage to Labour than the Tories?
Mr. Freggles, can't speak for other likely Leave voters, but that's not an argument I've made. The key is sovereignty and accountability, as well as the EU heading in a way that is not in the UK's interest.
Can't help thinking the junior doctors have made a very foolish mistake. The government cannot now be seen to give in. And it will take just one incident to turn public opinion. This is beginning to remind me of the miners strike in certain ways.
I think you are wrong , public opinion will remain backing the doctors . An incident as you envisage would see public opinion view the government and Hunt in particular as to be at fault for its intransigence . Playing politics with peoples lives and those of their relatives is a no brain loser .
But Hunt isn't playing politics with anyone's lives, he's changing payment rates for Saturdays. Big deal.
Comres 45+ had an 8 point lead for Leave, which they turnout weighted into a 4 point lead for Remain.
ICM and Opinium had 17 and 18 point leads for Leave with this group.
All polls that survey certainty to vote show certainty to vote is higher with Leave.
Not this one: "In this new poll 48% back Remain, while 41% say they would vote for Leave if there was a referendum tomorrow. The lead widens when people’s relative likelihood to vote is taken into account: if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU."
Hmm, the turnout weighting seems off, not just compared to other polls, but also to my own instincts of the Leave side being much more motivated.
I've been pointing out for ages that the Leave camp is winning C2DEs who don't vote while the Remain camp is winning ABC1s who do vote.
It's not as simple as looking at old versus young as even a quarter of the elderly don't vote. Elderly ABC1s will turnout, a lot of elderly C2DEs don't - and they're polling leave.
Elderly ABC1's will still vote Leave. albeit by a lower margin than elderly C2DE's.
The voters with the highest turnout are white, 55+, who own their own homes outright. Currently, they favour Leave.
Comres 45+ had an 8 point lead for Leave, which they turnout weighted into a 4 point lead for Remain.
ICM and Opinium had 17 and 18 point leads for Leave with this group.
All polls that survey certainty to vote show certainty to vote is higher with Leave.
But self-reported certainty to vote is notoriously flawed though isn't it? More people typically report themselves as certain to vote than actually do vote.
Opinion polls so far out have some, but limited, value. The Norpoth model has Trump beating Sanders 58 to 42, HRC by 52.5 to 47.5. Kasich has only won one primary and struggles to get in the 20s in most places.
L.A.Times poll 3/25/80 Favorables: Anderson 68%; Kennedy 60%; Carter 51%; Ronald Reagan 30%. In March 1980, Reagan was trailing Carter by 15 pts. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/337295/
As an outsider Trump's path is similar to Reagan's, HRC's problem is she is already struggling in the polls, especially in the key swing states. All down hill from here.
Rubbish Reagan was likeable and optimistic and polite and spoke well, Trump is dislikeable, rude and angry. Hillary is also more Nixon 1968 than Carter 1976
If you disagree with the suspension of Suzanne Evans please sign this petition calling for it to be rescinded
That highlights even more how inept Norman Smith's interview was this morning. He only asked a final softball question about Evans and wasted the rest of the time with false indignation about Brussels.
'the fears of reaming in the EU are in the medium- and long-term'
It won't be anything like 10-20 years before the EU becomes intolerable for the UK. More like 3-5.
I think you're very wrong. It may become intolerable for individuals in the UK (in fact, for many it already is), but that does not mean it will be for the country as a whole.
As an aside, I reckon if we don't vote to leave, then another country will go through exactly the same process as we are. It might even be one of the larger countries such as France. How the EU reacts to that will be interesting.
Can't help thinking the junior doctors have made a very foolish mistake. The government cannot now be seen to give in. And it will take just one incident to turn public opinion. This is beginning to remind me of the miners strike in certain ways.
I think you are wrong , public opinion will remain backing the doctors . An incident as you envisage would see public opinion view the government and Hunt in particular as to be at fault for its intransigence . Playing politics with peoples lives and those of their relatives is a no brain loser .
But Hunt isn't playing politics with anyone's lives, he's changing payment rates for Saturdays. Big deal.
As a pro government lackey , you may think that but since the dispute began the numbers agreeing with that view point has fallen in every poll and support for the junior doctors has risen .
Hmm, the turnout weighting seems off, not just compared to other polls, but also to my own instincts of the Leave side being much more motivated.
I've been pointing out for ages that the Leave camp is winning C2DEs who don't vote while the Remain camp is winning ABC1s who do vote.
It's not as simple as looking at old versus young as even a quarter of the elderly don't vote. Elderly ABC1s will turnout, a lot of elderly C2DEs don't - and they're polling leave.
Elderly ABC1's will still vote Leave. albeit by a lower margin than elderly C2DE's.
The voters with the highest turnout are white, 55+, who own their own homes outright. Currently, they favour Leave.
Indeed elderly ABC1s will vote Leave by a lower margin than elderly C2DEs While simultaneously young ABC1s will vote Remain by a higher margin than young C2DEs.
Both of which will assist Remain compared to just looking at age alone. White 55+ homeowners do have the highest turnout but won't form 51% of the vote on their own.
Hmm, the turnout weighting seems off, not just compared to other polls, but also to my own instincts of the Leave side being much more motivated.
I've been pointing out for ages that the Leave camp is winning C2DEs who don't vote while the Remain camp is winning ABC1s who do vote.
It's not as simple as looking at old versus young as even a quarter of the elderly don't vote. Elderly ABC1s will turnout, a lot of elderly C2DEs don't - and they're polling leave.
Elderly ABC1's will still vote Leave. albeit by a lower margin than elderly C2DE's.
The voters with the highest turnout are white, 55+, who own their own homes outright. Currently, they favour Leave.
DEs favour Leave and rent they are less likely to turn out than middle-class mortgage payers who back Remain
Of course in 08 and 12 Obama was the antiwar candidate. This time Trump will be.
In 12 Romney repulsed the blue collar white workers in the Rust Belt in particular, but really across the nation, leading to a catastrophically low non college educated whites turnout of just 57%. Trump's strength is with these voters.
In 08 and 12 Obama drove a historically high turnout amongst blacks, won't happen this time.
Romney won suburban whites by the biggest margin since 1988, Trump will not. Hispanic turnout will be up on 2012 to vote against Trump
Comres 45+ had an 8 point lead for Leave, which they turnout weighted into a 4 point lead for Remain.
ICM and Opinium had 17 and 18 point leads for Leave with this group.
All polls that survey certainty to vote show certainty to vote is higher with Leave.
Not this one: "In this new poll 48% back Remain, while 41% say they would vote for Leave if there was a referendum tomorrow. The lead widens when people’s relative likelihood to vote is taken into account: if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU."
I believe they aren't being asked about certainty to vote. The pollster is making an assumption that patterns of turnout will match the patterns of turnout at the general election.
Can't help thinking the junior doctors have made a very foolish mistake. The government cannot now be seen to give in. And it will take just one incident to turn public opinion. This is beginning to remind me of the miners strike in certain ways.
I think you are wrong , public opinion will remain backing the doctors . An incident as you envisage would see public opinion view the government and Hunt in particular as to be at fault for its intransigence . Playing politics with peoples lives and those of their relatives is a no brain loser .
But Hunt isn't playing politics with anyone's lives, he's changing payment rates for Saturdays. Big deal.
As a pro government lackey , you may think that but since the dispute began the numbers agreeing with that view point has fallen in every poll and support got the junior doctors has risen .
Indeed it has when the doctors were saying "we're compassionate medics who won't risk lives so we are providing emergency cover even though we're striking".
Saying "our pay rate for Saturdays is more important than even emergencies" is a complete reversal of messaging.
btw I think your scenario re. France or another large country moving close to EU exit is pretty fanciful. There is nothing like the animus against the EU that there is in the UK in any of the other major member states.
The only other EU member I could see conceivably leaving, or threatening to do so, in the next few years is Hungary.
Comres 45+ had an 8 point lead for Leave, which they turnout weighted into a 4 point lead for Remain.
ICM and Opinium had 17 and 18 point leads for Leave with this group.
All polls that survey certainty to vote show certainty to vote is higher with Leave.
But self-reported certainty to vote is notoriously flawed though isn't it? More people typically report themselves as certain to vote than actually do vote.
Indeed so. But, that doesn't alter the fact that there's a gap in enthusiasm between the two sides. Probably Leave supporters overstate their readiness to vote, but then so do Remain supporters.
Comres 45+ had an 8 point lead for Leave, which they turnout weighted into a 4 point lead for Remain.
ICM and Opinium had 17 and 18 point leads for Leave with this group.
All polls that survey certainty to vote show certainty to vote is higher with Leave.
Not this one: "In this new poll 48% back Remain, while 41% say they would vote for Leave if there was a referendum tomorrow. The lead widens when people’s relative likelihood to vote is taken into account: if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU."
I believe they aren't being asked about certainty to vote. The pollster is making an assumption that patterns of turnout will match the patterns of turnout at the general election.
How do you interpret this? "The lead widens when people’s relative likelihood to vote is taken into account:"
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Remain - still in lead.
Leave - trending towards them.
What's not to like?
They could be even more wrong on the final result than the GE, and this is a binary choice election
L.A.Times poll 3/25/80 Favorables: Anderson 68%; Kennedy 60%; Carter 51%; Ronald Reagan 30%.
In March 1980, Reagan was trailing Carter by 15 pts.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/337295/
As an outsider Trump's path is similar to Reagan's, HRC's problem is she is already struggling in the polls, especially in the key swing states. All down hill from here.
The polling shows that Clinton is beatable by a generic Republican candidate. Trump only has to detoxify himself sufficiently to make the election a referendum on Clinton which she will lose.
I think it'll be closer to a GE turnout than the AV referendum turnout
When, in fact, crossover had happened long before.
If the same holds true, it could be good for leave.
If. It could equally work the other way.
Since Basil is obviously England, we need a Euro-equivalent. How about Freddie Frog?
Trump 41 .. Cruz 29 .. Kasich 18 - Sample 353
Clinton 55 .. Sanders 37 - Sample 391
http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/d0335f8b-d571-463c-88ec-729620d17068.pdf
Comres 45+ had an 8 point lead for Leave, which they turnout weighted into a 4 point lead for Remain.
ICM and Opinium had 17 and 18 point leads for Leave with this group.
The wind is blowing on the sails of Leave, they are moving up.
Yes my token black friend, who also conveniently doubles up as my token labour supporting friend, is a firm leave. As a young Londoner like myself, he sees Brexit as an opportunity to raise wages, job opportunities, living standards and lower housing costs.
Leave will win.
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That Comres 45+ weighting is a complete and utter shocker.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
Demographics are also not abstract concepts. It's the reason why important swing states are trending blue and why the "identity politics" see Trump losing massively with hispanics, AA and at a significant disadvantage with women. Your theories were used by McCain and Romney cheerleaders - Hoping for third time lucky?
#Breaking Student Suhaib Majeed is convicted at the Old Bailey of plotting to kill soldiers, police officers and civilians in shootings
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Suhaib Majeed and Tarik 'the sugeon' Hassane, who went to the same west London Mosque as Jihadi John, face life for IS terror plot
The slow process of winning people over and negating any fears in action. Plenty of time for Trump to win people over, as Reagan demonstrated.
There's some pretty motivated Pro EU people out there too.
Think the Lib Dems, the Labour right, possibly the Greens and various Nat parties.
They just aren't voluble as the Leavers.
Fear of the unknown is greater than fear of the known. The status quo, the power of inertia, is significant. Remain has all the major parties on its side (unless you count UKIP, which is purging the non-believers and led by a man whose talent is eclipsed by his ego). Big business is also pro-EU.
Leave has print media (in the main) but I can't think of any other comparable area where it has dominance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVu6Wihbp4Q
Trump's name has been synonymous with success and wealth in black hip-hop culture for years. He has experience and contacts across the entertainment business and will be able to turn out unexpected celebrity endorsements. Clinton will be forced to spend far too much time fighting on turf that will not help her with the voters she needs to turn out for her to win.
How did Molenbeek become Europe’s jihadi base? Essentially, it has to do with Belgium’s messy governance and the culture of denial that pervades the debate about Islam in the country. Molenbeek is a vibrant community, with narrow streets and a busy street life. There is a teahouse on every corner, a quiet mosque on every block, where people can congregate undisturbed. There are cheap apartments galore, no questions asked. Just like the guerrilla can hide in the jungle, jihadis feel safe in the disorganized Kashba of Molenbeek. The highway and the city’s busiest international railroad station are a stone’s throw away. It’s the perfect logistical base.
... The lack of a strong, central authority may be one of the many quirks of this sometimes charmingly dysfunctional country, .... also creates the perfect breeding ground for potential terrorists.
But the most important factor is Belgium’s culture of denial. The country’s political debate has been dominated by a complacent progressive elite that firmly believes society can be designed and planned. Observers who point to unpleasant truths such as the high incidence of crime among Moroccan youth and violent tendencies in radical Islam are accused of being propagandists of the extreme-right, and are subsequently ignored and ostracized.
http://www.politico.eu/article/molenbeek-broke-my-heart-radicalization-suburb-brussels-gentrification/
She trots out all the usual arguments, e.g. 'the EU has prevented war', 'millions of jobs at stake', etc, etc. And like hardcore leavers, *nothing* will convince her otherwise.
I reckon there are lots like her. They're just too busy to argue on t'Internet ...
Fear of the unknown could easily apply to us remaining in the EU. What kind of EU will there be in 10 years? 20 years?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/anti-corbyn-labour-mps?utm_term=.osZyr4xRE
It's not as simple as looking at old versus young as even a quarter of the elderly don't vote. Elderly ABC1s will turnout, a lot of elderly C2DEs don't - and they're polling leave.
In 12 Romney repulsed the blue collar white workers in the Rust Belt in particular, but really across the nation, leading to a catastrophically low non college educated whites turnout of just 57%. Trump's strength is with these voters.
In 08 and 12 Obama drove a historically high turnout amongst blacks, won't happen this time.
It certainly took an effort for the GOP to come up with a candidate held in a worse light than Clinton. But one thing over the past decade you may rely on the Republican Party is that they have developed an innate ability to cock-up POTUS elections.
That is really all there is to this referendum. It's time to shake hands, dissolve a partnership that has run its course, and go our separate ways.
That can be overcome but requires us to engage our much more rational neo-cortex part of our brain, which is much harder work as a conscious decision needs to be made to use it.
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Florida @ Evens (Democrats) (On at 11-10)
North Carolina 6-4 (Democrats) (On at 8-5)
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winning-party
Overall GOP @ 9-4 (Sort of on this for loads already)
Look to be incorrectly correlated to me.
It won't be anything like 10-20 years before the EU becomes intolerable for the UK. More like 3-5.
"In this new poll 48% back Remain, while 41% say they would vote for Leave if there was a referendum tomorrow. The lead widens when people’s relative likelihood to vote is taken into account: if turnout patterns between different demographic groups at the referendum reflect those at last year’s General Election, there would be a 14 point lead for remaining in the EU."
The voters with the highest turnout are white, 55+, who own their own homes outright. Currently, they favour Leave.
As an aside, I reckon if we don't vote to leave, then another country will go through exactly the same process as we are. It might even be one of the larger countries such as France. How the EU reacts to that will be interesting.
While simultaneously young ABC1s will vote Remain by a higher margin than young C2DEs.
Both of which will assist Remain compared to just looking at age alone. White 55+ homeowners do have the highest turnout but won't form 51% of the vote on their own.
Saying "our pay rate for Saturdays is more important than even emergencies" is a complete reversal of messaging.
btw I think your scenario re. France or another large country moving close to EU exit is pretty fanciful. There is nothing like the animus against the EU that there is in the UK in any of the other major member states.
The only other EU member I could see conceivably leaving, or threatening to do so, in the next few years is Hungary.
Yes, pixiepants. All you have to do is wave a magic wand, squeeze your eyes tight shut and wish very hard and you'll be safe. Promise.
"The lead widens when people’s relative likelihood to vote is taken into account:"