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  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Scott_P said:

    @IanDunt: Anyway, no-one cares about that. Good PM performance, Corbyn bit useless. Cam & Tories in better position than they were before UQ.

    ....and definitely NO American tanks in Baghdad.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    eek said:

    Indigo said:

    chestnut said:

    The problem with IT projects in DWP has always been the same.

    The underlying rules and system are pretty complex, and the politicians change those rules at the drop of a hat, or a bad press story.

    Trying to combine multiple benefits whilst incorporating real-time wage reporting is largely 'asking for it'.

    Trying to do it live is stupid. It should be done as a research project first of all, take a data feed and work out the issues about real time reporting before you get anywhere near writing the real system.

    Problem is it will then fall into the same hole that all such systems do in the private sector. No one wants to fund a project that isn't going to have a real world end system, even if the work is massively beneficial to the end result. If you do manage to get the research funded, you have no chance of throwing it away and writing the production system properly, some muppet will want you to butcher the prototype and "productionize it".

    Many years ago the Chief Engineer at IBM UK told me this truth. "The final stage of any prototype project should be to delete it, otherwise some idiot will try and find a way to get it into production"
    One issue with the RT side of things was that HMRC wouldn't let DWP anywhere near the real time data....
    Bizarre. You would expect a ministerial instruction would cover it, or failing that the prompt sacking of a few senior civil servants who didn't understand who called the shots.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Freggles said:

    ....and definitely NO American tanks in Baghdad.

    Mr Dunt is not a Tory...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    edited March 2016

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Just listened again to Jeremy Corbyn. No mention of IDS. Christ.

    @SamCoatesTimes: Corbyn obsesses about tedious process - no show of Osborne etc which matters little to votes. Ignores IDS gift. Labour MPs horrified.

    Just handed the ball back to Cameron and maybe kept Osborne in place, certainly until after the referedum
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    General Boles
    'there's something I've not mentioned........DFS? RBS?'
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    That's certainly true. You only need to read By Sword and Fire, by Sean McGlynn, to see that real life is more horrifying than art. I was thinking about this when I heard the Coventry Carol at Christmas, about Herod massacring newborn children, that for people listening to the Carol for the first time, such things were a part of their world.

    But, where I think the Show is in danger is that once you pile one horror on top of another, there's nowhere left to go. You have to come up with worse and worse acts to keep shocking the audience.

  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Scott_P said:

    Freggles said:

    ....and definitely NO American tanks in Baghdad.

    Mr Dunt is not a Tory...
    Indeed not.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    "There’s quite a lot of scaremongering going on," says David Cameron.

    You don't say.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyHarriet: Liz Kendall with the question Jeremy Corbyn should have asked...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Corbyn...making the Belgium security services look component....
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    OchEye said:

    There seems to be a belief here that Osborne is safe, sorry, but I think not. It is very telling that a joke made by Chris Bryant had all the Labour and opposition MP's laughing while the Tories looked glum and sat on their hands. In other words, all MP's know, in that case - all black cab drivers in London will know and it follows that the media journalists know. If Osborne sneezes, he's gone.
    http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/18/what-was-chris-bryant-suggesting-when-he-joked-if-george-osborne-new-the-dangers-of-coke-5760041/

    Apart from which, there is a consensus forming as to the actual reason IDS resigned. It is true that he probably believes that he is trying to protect the poor etc., but not even the most gullible tory supporter suspects that after 6 years at the centre and sitting at the top table, he has suddenly had a Damascene Conversion.

    My own version is that he became aware that someone was going to throw him to the media wolves over the handling of Universal Credit (3 times appealing to the courts to block FoI requests, and failing), incidentally taking the media's collective eye off the Budget car crash. He decided to get the knife in first, which he has done successfully.

    Interesting post from OchEye. A poster who seems to have some knowledge of the inside track. I heard the Universal Credit story very late at night on the day IDS resigned. I'm not sure who the speaker was because I was only half listening but whoever it as was was certain that this was the real story and the budget was just a fig leaf. OchEye's post is the first time I've seen it mentioned since and IDS is so obviously a duplicitous bastard that it makes perfect sense
  • Corbyn...making the Belgium security services look component....

    Competent maybe
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    There are plenty of utterly horrific things in real life that have happened that I consider myself privileged not to have seen, and nor do I wish to.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    On the topic of bestsellers, modesty has perhaps prevented ScottP from mentioning his own work on here.
    Available from June 24th:

    "My David, Right or Wrong" - a heartwarming tale of a Prime Minister, practically perfect in every way, and his loyal yet tragically unrequited cyber-guardian of PB.

    Featuring a foreword by Richard Nabavi called "History will Prove me Right, I Tell You"

    And a free low-res MP3 of the theme song from The Bodyguard

    In store at your local Pound Shop.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172
    edited March 2016

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    There are plenty of utterly horrific things in real life that have happened that I consider myself privileged not to have seen, and nor do I wish to.
    Is EICIPM among them? :D

    Edit: Well, I suppose that didn't actually happen!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    Pulpstar said:

    WHat's causing the severe northward pressure on the PIP spending given alot of disabled people seem to have had their benefits cut. I have no axe to grind here, I'm just trying to get to an intellectual/mathematical disconnect...

    Have guide dogs asked for a raise ?

    According to the Beeb article posted earlier:

    Those same sources have told the BBC the problems are "to do with people transferring to PIP from DLA. They are sicker than the DLA system said they were."

    The OBR said the rising costs were because of higher-than-expected caseloads - and people getting more money than ministers had predicted. The average payout is now £100 a week, 14% higher than expected.


    In other words, it sounds as though the PIP rules were mis-calibrated so that, instead of saving money, they've ended up increasing payments compared with DLA.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35861447
    Severely obese people getting mobility scooters is what always springs to mind when I think about "undeserving claimants"...
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Like this for example
    Sick Derren Jon Tomlinson, 44, admitted having sexual relations with a canine after police found videos of the lewd act on his mobile phone.
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/502649/dog-sex-jailed-police-community-support-officer-sick-Shrewsbury

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    There are plenty of utterly horrific things in real life that have happened that I consider myself privileged not to have seen, and nor do I wish to.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Sean_F said:

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    That's certainly true. You only need to read By Sword and Fire, by Sean McGlynn, to see that real life is more horrifying than art. I was thinking about this when I heard the Coventry Carol at Christmas, about Herod massacring newborn children, that for people listening to the Carol for the first time, such things were a part of their world.

    But, where I think the Show is in danger is that once you pile one horror on top of another, there's nowhere left to go. You have to come up with worse and worse acts to keep shocking the audience.

    Kill Them All is the title of another of Sean McGlynn's books.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    @Plato. - Not sure what is worse, lewd acts with a dog, filming it, or being 44 while doing it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    RobD said:

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    There are plenty of utterly horrific things in real life that have happened that I consider myself privileged not to have seen, and nor do I wish to.
    Is EICIPM among them? :D

    Edit: Well, I suppose that didn't actually happen!
    Lol. Maybe a late change for season 6 of GOT?

    He could urge both sides to put aside the rhetoric and get round the negotiating table.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Or looking uncomfortably like Chris Evans.

    @Plato. - Not sure what is worse, lewd acts with a dog, filming it, or being 44 while doing it.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    @Plato. - Not sure what is worse, lewd acts with a dog, filming it, or being 44 while doing it.

    I'm going to regret asking this question, but what in your opinion is the optimal age for lewd acts with a dog?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172

    RobD said:

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    There are plenty of utterly horrific things in real life that have happened that I consider myself privileged not to have seen, and nor do I wish to.
    Is EICIPM among them? :D

    Edit: Well, I suppose that didn't actually happen!
    Lol. Maybe a late change for season 6 of GOT?

    He could urge both sides to put aside the rhetoric and get round the negotiating table.
    Maybe staying a few extra months may have stabalised things? I'm not sure, the Corbyn surge was strong.
  • Jacob Rees Mogg very supportive of David Cameron and it does appear as if the crisis is passing
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Like this for example

    Sick Derren Jon Tomlinson, 44, admitted having sexual relations with a canine after police found videos of the lewd act on his mobile phone.
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/502649/dog-sex-jailed-police-community-support-officer-sick-Shrewsbury

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    There are plenty of utterly horrific things in real life that have happened that I consider myself privileged not to have seen, and nor do I wish to.


    I'd have been impressed with the lawyers who could come up with an argument as to why he didn't!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @georgeeaton: Shadow minister on Corbyn's statement: "Utterly pitiful and denies the country the opposition it deserves." Labour MPs truly in despair.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    Corbyn...making the Belgium security services look component....

    Competent maybe
    F##king British bollocks software....SwiftKey keeps friggin doing this, "autocorrecting" a word to a different word.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    @Plato. - Not sure what is worse, lewd acts with a dog, filming it, or being 44 while doing it.

    I'm going to regret asking this question, but what in your opinion is the optimal age for lewd acts with a dog?
    As Ed would say "That's a great question"
  • Corbyn...making the Belgium security services look component....

    Competent maybe
    F##king British bollocks software....SwiftKey keeps friggin doing this, "autocorrecting" a word to a different word.
    It usually my arthritic bent fingers
  • @Plato. - Not sure what is worse, lewd acts with a dog, filming it, or being 44 while doing it.

    I'm going to regret asking this question, but what in your opinion is the optimal age for lewd acts with a dog?
    Reminds me of the film Road Trip.

    Character 1: It's not cheating if you spread peanut butter on your balls and let your dog lick it off, Because it's your dog.

    Character 2: Jesus Christ

    Character 1: You know, because it's YOUR dog, get it?

    Character 2: Yeah, we've got it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Dr. Spyn, must remember to get that, once I've gone through the mighty to-be-read pile...

    Has Corbyn achieved the impossible and brought peace to Syria the Conservative Party?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    There are plenty of utterly horrific things in real life that have happened that I consider myself privileged not to have seen, and nor do I wish to.
    Is EICIPM among them? :D

    Edit: Well, I suppose that didn't actually happen!
    Lol. Maybe a late change for season 6 of GOT?

    He could urge both sides to put aside the rhetoric and get round the negotiating table.
    Maybe staying a few extra months may have stabalised things? I'm not sure, the Corbyn surge was strong.
    The Lannisters have acted in a reckless and provocative manner.
  • Dr. Spyn, must remember to get that, once I've gone through the mighty to-be-read pile...

    Has Corbyn achieved the impossible and brought peace to Syria the Conservative Party?

    I think the Tory Party had already decided to declare a ceasefire
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Jacob Rees Mogg very supportive of David Cameron and it does appear as if the crisis is passing

    But the Turkey Question from his own backbenchers having Cameron to think,more than anything corbyn said.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    @Plato. - Not sure what is worse, lewd acts with a dog, filming it, or being 44 while doing it.

    I'm going to regret asking this question, but what in your opinion is the optimal age for lewd acts with a dog?
    No comment :lol:
  • David Cameron's tone with his leave mp's is much more conciliatory
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Royale, these assassinations are wrong, at a time when negotiations are still ongoing.

    And yet, Miliband would be doing a better job than Corbyn (from reports here).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    'British suicide bomber' carries out an attack in Iraq claims ISIS as 30 soldiers are killed at a checkpoint
  • Jacob Rees Mogg very supportive of David Cameron and it does appear as if the crisis is passing

    But the Turkey Question from his own backbenchers having Cameron to think,more than anything corbyn said.
    The political world will bypass labour as long as Corbyn is leader
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    edited March 2016
    HRC has found her VP pick.

    https://twitter.com/Tumblrisms/status/711009722741231617

    Looks like the Trump supporting black guy who beat up Mr B Sanders, the professional leftist agitator, in Arizona is serving in the USAF. Perhaps he found the KKK outfit Mr Sanders friend was wearing offensive. Never really understood why the left's belief in the existence of the KKK isn't regarding on a par with belief in the Illuminati or the lizard people.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/21/police-officer-trump-protesters-were-the-most-hateful-evil-people-ive-ever-seen/?tid=ss_tw
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790
    And Corbyn shows once again that as long as he leads the Labour party the Tories can literally do anything they want without having to worry about losing the next general election.
  • Committing lewd acts with a dog.

    People are fecking weird.

    Someone who shall remain nameless, freaked out when my his then girlfriend's cat used to wander into the bedroom and watch them engage in coitus.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited March 2016

    Committing lewd acts with a dog.

    People are fecking weird.

    Someone who shall remain nameless, freaked out when my his then girlfriend's cat used to wander into the bedroom and watch them engage in coitus.

    One hopes the cat kept its claws in.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    As I indicated yesterday PBers should never underestimate the ability of Jezza to make a total horlicks of a political piss up in a brewery.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    A tweet for both main parties to consider:

    https://twitter.com/Robert___Harris/status/711967529531473920

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Andrew Lilico
    I see at least someone read Lynton Crosby's Telegraph "How to win the Brexit referendum" article carefully:https://t.co/fOft946RIY
  • And Corbyn shows once again that as long as he leads the Labour party the Tories can literally do anything they want without having to worry about losing the next general election.

    Today in an alternate universe Labour Leader Liz Kendall slaughtered Cameron in the Commons and Labour takes a 20 point lead in the polls
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Cameron is just showing the house what a Pime Minister is
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    Harry Cole
    S Crabb fires his first rocket at No11: "behind every statistic there is a human being and perhaps sometimes in government we forget that."

    Didn't IDS say almost the same words over the weekend?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790

    Andrew Lilico
    I see at least someone read Lynton Crosby's Telegraph "How to win the Brexit referendum" article carefully:https://t.co/fOft946RIY

    And these are the people who tell us we'd be able to sort out a nice FTA with the Americans :-)

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Ooh, I didn't realise along with the All scholls out of LEA control they were also scrapping parent governors - talk about pissing off exactly the wrong sort of person: industrious interfering busy bodies who think they know best, perfect nucleus for a campaign group and makes the academy changes look even more remote and centralising.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567

    And Corbyn shows once again that as long as he leads the Labour party the Tories can literally do anything they want without having to worry about losing the next general election.

    Definitely a challenge this summer IMHO.
  • Cameron is just showing the house what a Pime Minister is

    David Cameron and Stephen Crabb just regained the initiative and made labour look irrelevant.
  • I can see why so many Labour people are fans of Owen Smith
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    I can see why so many Labour people are fans of Owen Smith

    Yep,strong stuff unlike corbyn.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    Committing lewd acts with a dog.

    People are fecking weird.

    Someone who shall remain nameless, freaked out when my his then girlfriend's cat used to wander into the bedroom and watch them engage in coitus.

    Memo to self: remember to be quite specific when asking the genie of the lamp for some double pussy action....
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    BBC
    Stephen Crabb confirms UK government has "no further plans for welfare savings" https://t.co/CG4K6Dt9RW https://t.co/5gxWxvGuon
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567

    BBC
    Stephen Crabb confirms UK government has "no further plans for welfare savings" https://t.co/CG4K6Dt9RW https://t.co/5gxWxvGuon

    Eh? What about the £12 billion?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    BBC
    Stephen Crabb confirms UK government has "no further plans for welfare savings" https://t.co/CG4K6Dt9RW https://t.co/5gxWxvGuon

    Imagine, if Osborne had stood up and said that last Wednesday.

    Fecking eejit......
  • BBC
    Stephen Crabb confirms UK government has "no further plans for welfare savings" https://t.co/CG4K6Dt9RW https://t.co/5gxWxvGuon

    Eh? What about the £12 billion?
    Autumn statement
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    Crickey a hell of a lot of those Polish, Romanian and Bulgarians who have come over to work are disabled...so they not only fixed your house up on the cheap, but they do so despite having a disability. Fair play to them.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    @Plato. - Not sure what is worse, lewd acts with a dog, filming it, or being 44 while doing it.

    I'm going to regret asking this question, but what in your opinion is the optimal age for lewd acts with a dog?
    No comment :lol:
    Older or younger than the optimal age for lewd acts with a pig?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Scott_P said:

    @IsabelHardman: This is a terrible response from Corbyn, delivered when government is in complete mess.

    He is just not up to it and the conservatives know it

    I guess some Tories have decided that if Labour cannot currently organise an effective opposition then they had better do it themselves. Cue a cartoon??
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    edited March 2016

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    My guess is that IDS's confusion with facts is catching
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,504
    Charles said:

    Like this for example

    Sick Derren Jon Tomlinson, 44, admitted having sexual relations with a canine after police found videos of the lewd act on his mobile phone.
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/502649/dog-sex-jailed-police-community-support-officer-sick-Shrewsbury

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
    There are plenty of utterly horrific things in real life that have happened that I consider myself privileged not to have seen, and nor do I wish to.
    I'd have been impressed with the lawyers who could come up with an argument as to why he didn't!

    Aha! What a challenge!

    Well, plead not guilty, say nothing and get the prosecution to prove when/where the alleged lewd acts happened, that the video on the phone was a complete and accurate record and had not been tampered with in any way at all so that it could be relied on - without more - as proof to the required standard. If necessary, construct an argument that the offence requires actual penetration and put the prosecution to proof that this actually occurred - rather than being assumed from the video. In short, make the prosecution prove every bit of the offence. This can be done but will take time and money and effort and the police may decide not to bother........

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    BBC
    Stephen Crabb confirms UK government has "no further plans for welfare savings" https://t.co/CG4K6Dt9RW https://t.co/5gxWxvGuon

    That is crazy.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    BBC
    Stephen Crabb confirms UK government has "no further plans for welfare savings" https://t.co/CG4K6Dt9RW https://t.co/5gxWxvGuon

    That is crazy.
    I presume some celebs tweeted opposition so they caved.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Is that welfare comment about this Budget or the whole Parliament?

    Because if they've ringfenced Aid, Health and the whole welfare budget where else can they cut? Education, Defence and... policing?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790
    Jeremy Corbyn in action today:

    http://youtu.be/kiVq5-u7MH0
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: Treasury swiftly clarifying Crabb declaration on welfare cuts. Doesn't at all mean no more cuts in this parliament, just none planned. Ah.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    Tom Newton Dunn
    Treasury swiftly clarifying Crabb declaration on welfare cuts. Doesn't at all mean no more cuts in this parliament, just none planned. Ah.

    FFS

    Then lol

    IDS-gate leaves George Osborne channelling Groucho Marx: this is my Budget, but if you don't like it, well I have others.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    That's simply a nonsense number. There aren't 3 million disabled people in the country.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Treasury swiftly clarifying Crabb declaration on welfare cuts. Doesn't at all mean no more cuts in this parliament, just none planned. Ah.

    Good start to the job....ball loose out of the back of the scrum...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    Yes, it can't be right. I got it from the Guardian live blog, maybe they mis-reported what he said.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    Jeremy Corbyn in action today:

    The story of the past few days...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHjz6tDmoUI
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Tom Newton Dunn
    Treasury swiftly clarifying Crabb declaration on welfare cuts. Doesn't at all mean no more cuts in this parliament, just none planned. Ah.

    FFS

    Then lol

    IDS-gate leaves George Osborne channelling Groucho Marx: this is my Budget, but if you don't like it, well I have others.

    Arse. Elbow. Piss up. Brewery.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Tom Newton Dunn
    Treasury swiftly clarifying Crabb declaration on welfare cuts. Doesn't at all mean no more cuts in this parliament, just none planned. Ah.

    FFS

    Then lol

    IDS-gate leaves George Osborne channelling Groucho Marx: this is my Budget, but if you don't like it, well I have others.

    With so many U-Turns the government is so dizzy is doesn't know which way is which.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    I just love this great nation.

    You just know the french and the germans could never come up with Boaty McBoatface
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    Omnium said:

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    That's simply a nonsense number. There aren't 3 million disabled people in the country.
    It is, but according to the government own figures...

    "There are over 11 million people with a limiting long term illness, impairment or disability 1."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/disability-facts-and-figures/disability-facts-and-figures

    Perhaps he was channeling this "definition"...

    Also, when it comes to disability, as pointed out a lot we aren't just talking people stuck in wheelchairs, it includes things like mental health etc

    ------------------------------------

    Edit:-

    There are over 6.9 million disabled people of working age which represents 19% of the working population. There are over 10 million disabled people in Britain, of whom 5 million are over state pension age. There are two million people with sight problems in the UK.

    http://www.dlf.org.uk/content/key-facts
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Brooke, the German would be a massive compound noun meaning The Vessel of Scientific Excellence that Sails Predominantly to the Frozen Polar Regions to Further the Knowledge of Man.
  • pinkrosepinkrose Posts: 189
    edited March 2016

    BBC
    Stephen Crabb confirms UK government has "no further plans for welfare savings" https://t.co/CG4K6Dt9RW https://t.co/5gxWxvGuon

    That is crazy.

    The truth is, its not possible to cut the welfare budget when Osborne's so called "jobs miracle" and economic "growth" consists of nothing more than hundreds of thousands of low skilled, low waged migrants from Eastern and Southern Europe coming into the UK every year nailing wages to the floor and pushing up the cost of housing rents. These people are entitled to generous tax credits topping up their wages and depend upon housing benefit as do an increasing number of British people as insecure, low paid and zero hours job contracts have exploded under the Tories.

  • Can anyone "spot the whopper" below?:

    In another extraordinary development the pensions minister, Ros Altmann, has released a statement attacking her former boss Iain Duncan Smith. She reinforces the No10 line that Iain Duncan Smith “championed the very package of reforms to disability benefits he now says is the reason he has resigned” and accuses him of being very hard to work for. Her reaction is odd in that she said nothing about his departure for 24 hours, then at 9pm last night released a series of tweets culminating in her statement saying his attacks on the government can be explained by his position as a Brexiteer.

    So was she encouraged by No10? Her statement is strikingly similar to No10’s version of events. But it says it knew nothing, that there was no communication with her and that she speaks in a personal capacity. Which, in itself, is fascinating: if ministers are now allowed to make ”personal” statements about government crises then politics in general will get a whole lot more interesting.


    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/no-idss-resignation-was-not-about-europe-but-the-governments-reaction-might-be/


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    I just love this great nation.

    You just know the french and the germans could never come up with Boaty McBoatface

    I don't know, that German equivalent of the Today show taking the piss out of the British was quite funny.

    "Brexit - it sounds like a brand of cat food at Lidl"
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Sure I just heard the Rt Hon member for Thanet South on the radio just waft away £4 Bn as if it was a rounding error.

    Does someone need to remind the Tories of the old pounds and pence anecdote ?

    Look after the billions and the hundreds of billions start to...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048

    Omnium said:

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    That's simply a nonsense number. There aren't 3 million disabled people in the country.
    It is, but according to the government own figures...

    "There are over 11 million people with a limiting long term illness, impairment or disability 1."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/disability-facts-and-figures/disability-facts-and-figures
    Well 10 million of those need a massive kick in their nether regions. I've no idea of the actual number, but if 20% of the population is disabled by that definition then almost by definition they're not. They're just below average in terms of capability. We should not subsidise the merely below average.

    Real disability is a rather nasty thing. Sham disability is nasty for different reasons.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    I just love this great nation.

    You just know the french and the germans could never come up with Boaty McBoatface

    BootVonBootGeschit?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    That's simply a nonsense number. There aren't 3 million disabled people in the country.
    It is, but according to the government own figures...

    "There are over 11 million people with a limiting long term illness, impairment or disability 1."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/disability-facts-and-figures/disability-facts-and-figures
    Well 10 million of those need a massive kick in their nether regions. I've no idea of the actual number, but if 20% of the population is disabled by that definition then almost by definition they're not. They're just below average in terms of capability. We should not subsidise the merely below average.

    Real disability is a rather nasty thing. Sham disability is nasty for different reasons.
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/04/the-mobility-scooter-plague/
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    edited March 2016

    Omnium said:

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    That's simply a nonsense number. There aren't 3 million disabled people in the country.
    It is, but according to the government own figures...

    "There are over 11 million people with a limiting long term illness, impairment or disability 1."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/disability-facts-and-figures/disability-facts-and-figures

    Perhaps he was channeling this "definition"...

    Also, when it comes to disability, as pointed out a lot we aren't just talking people stuck in wheelchairs, it includes things like mental health etc

    ------------------------------------

    Edit:-

    There are over 6.9 million disabled people of working age which represents 19% of the working population. There are over 10 million disabled people in Britain, of whom 5 million are over state pension age. There are two million people with sight problems in the UK.

    http://www.dlf.org.uk/content/key-facts
    According to the 2011 Census I make it to be 4.6 million people aged 15 to 64 who's day to day activities were "limited" (this includes "a little" and "a lot"):

    http://tinyurl.com/z6ls38p
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    pinkrose said:

    ...as insecure, low paid and zero hours job contracts have exploded under the Tories....

    Really?
  • pinkrosepinkrose Posts: 189
    pinkrose said:

    BBC
    Stephen Crabb confirms UK government has "no further plans for welfare savings" https://t.co/CG4K6Dt9RW https://t.co/5gxWxvGuon

    That is crazy.

    The truth is, its not possible to cut the welfare budget when Osborne's so called "jobs miracle" and economic "growth" consists of nothing more than hundreds of thousands of low skilled, low waged migrants from Eastern and Southern Europe coming into the UK every year nailing wages to the floor and pushing up the cost of housing rents. These people are entitled to generous tax credits topping up their wages and depend upon housing benefit as do an increasing number of British people as insecure, low paid and zero hours job contracts have exploded under the Tories.

    Also half of disability claimants are over the state pension age and nearly half of the entire welfare budget itself goes on pensions, pensioner entitlements etc. More and more people living longer means the old are putting huge pressure on health and social services and taking more and more in welfare.

    Cutting the welfare budget or even capping it just wont be politically or practically possible for any Government.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Indigo said:

    chestnut said:

    The problem with IT projects in DWP has always been the same.

    The underlying rules and system are pretty complex, and the politicians change those rules at the drop of a hat, or a bad press story.

    Trying to combine multiple benefits whilst incorporating real-time wage reporting is largely 'asking for it'.

    Trying to do it live is stupid. It should be done as a research project first of all, take a data feed and work out the issues about real time reporting before you get anywhere near writing the real system.

    Problem is it will then fall into the same hole that all such systems do in the private sector. No one wants to fund a project that isn't going to have a real world end system, even if the work is massively beneficial to the end result. If you do manage to get the research funded, you have no chance of throwing it away and writing the production system properly, some muppet will want you to butcher the prototype and "productionize it".

    Many years ago the Chief Engineer at IBM UK told me this truth. "The final stage of any prototype project should be to delete it, otherwise some idiot will try and find a way to get it into production"
    I have been meaning to buy this mug for a while now. It says, "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I prefer to do it in production."

    http://www.zazzle.co.uk/i_dont_always_test_my_code_ringer_mug-168164484653328675
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited March 2016
    Speedy said:

    Tom Newton Dunn
    Treasury swiftly clarifying Crabb declaration on welfare cuts. Doesn't at all mean no more cuts in this parliament, just none planned. Ah.

    FFS

    Then lol

    IDS-gate leaves George Osborne channelling Groucho Marx: this is my Budget, but if you don't like it, well I have others.

    With so many U-Turns the government is so dizzy is doesn't know which way is which.
    An awful lot of reverse ferreting.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    tlg86 said:

    Omnium said:

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    That's simply a nonsense number. There aren't 3 million disabled people in the country.
    It is, but according to the government own figures...

    "There are over 11 million people with a limiting long term illness, impairment or disability 1."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/disability-facts-and-figures/disability-facts-and-figures

    Perhaps he was channeling this "definition"...

    Also, when it comes to disability, as pointed out a lot we aren't just talking people stuck in wheelchairs, it includes things like mental health etc

    ------------------------------------

    Edit:-

    There are over 6.9 million disabled people of working age which represents 19% of the working population. There are over 10 million disabled people in Britain, of whom 5 million are over state pension age. There are two million people with sight problems in the UK.

    http://www.dlf.org.uk/content/key-facts
    According to the 2011 Census I make it to be 4.6 million people aged 15 to 64 who's day to day activities were "limited" (this includes "a little" and "a lot"):

    http://tinyurl.com/z6ls38p
    I think that is probably nearer the mark, but a variety of "official" sources appear to claim it is way higher.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Amazing stat from Stephen Crabb: 3 million more disabled people now in work than in 2010.

    Incredibly, IDS has trashed his own, fantastic, achievement.

    How is that true? That seems almost as much if not more than the whole number of jobs created in the UK economy over the same period.
    That's simply a nonsense number. There aren't 3 million disabled people in the country.
    It is, but according to the government own figures...

    "There are over 11 million people with a limiting long term illness, impairment or disability 1."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/disability-facts-and-figures/disability-facts-and-figures
    Well 10 million of those need a massive kick in their nether regions. I've no idea of the actual number, but if 20% of the population is disabled by that definition then almost by definition they're not. They're just below average in terms of capability. We should not subsidise the merely below average.

    Real disability is a rather nasty thing. Sham disability is nasty for different reasons.
    Blue badge fraud is massive.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,360

    I just love this great nation.

    You just know the french and the germans could never come up with Boaty McBoatface

    I like RRS it's Bloody Cold Here, almost a tribute to Iain Banks
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