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  • Wanderer said:

    I have a friend who worked at CCHQ and he's asked me a huge favour. I get the feeling this the thoughts of Matthew Parker Street.

    'Would be greatly appreciated if every PB thread you wrote between now and June 24th reminded the Eurosceptic right what happened in the 90s we started banging on about Europe and how IDS used to coordinate with Labour whips to help defeat the Government in the 90s'

    Did you point out that if that is what they want then they should ask Cameron to stop speaking about Europe every time he makes a speech and admonish Osborne for talking about the EU referendum in his recent budget. The evidence is that it is Cameron and Osborne that go on and on and on and on about Europe, the EU and the referendum whereas the smart move for party loyalty should be to just STFU, since banging on about it is regarded as a bad idea at CCHQ.

    Or is it one rule for one side and another rule for the other?
    You sound like the Lib Dems when Dave started campaigning against AV.
    He's suspended collective responsibility so people can oppose him.
    Stop whinging and get campaigning.
    That tweet above by Dan Hodges (pbuh) is a fair analysis.
    I thought you wanted to tone down the mentions of the EU in line with the CCHQ request?
    I'm no CCHQ lackey nor do I write propaganda.

    I write what I like.
    And you wonder where your peerage has got to?
    For services to sartorial elegance?
    For wearing turquoise and pink to Ilkley he deserves at least a gallantry medal with oakleaf.
    And everyone else there got PTSD?
    Feel sorry for Morris Dancer, at that meet I picked him up and dropped him back home and he had to listen to the music that was playing in my car for a couple of hours.
  • did not have TSE down as a pro-choicer, Mr Dancer.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Eagles, it remains a matter of philosophical dispute whether my ears or eyes were harmed the most.

    The enormo-haddock stopped their chuckling when I threatened to make their uniform salmon and turquoise.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Having warned on here Osborne was in trouble since last year, I now find myself sympathising with the beleaguered chancellor.

    Whichever way he tries to balance the books his party wails. What's IDS's recipe for a surplus, I wonder.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Why has disability spending gone up so much since 2010 ?!

    11.5 -> 16.4 Billion !!!!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Pulpstar said:

    Why has disability spending gone up so much since 2010 ?!

    11.5 -> 16.4 Billion !!!!

    Well, quite.

    Something to do with the Department of Work and Pensions, I guess.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    taffys said:

    Having warned on here Osborne was in trouble since last year, I now find myself sympathising with the beleaguered chancellor.

    Whichever way he tries to balance the books his party wails. What's IDS's recipe for a surplus, I wonder.

    Certainly not cutting CGT.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.

    Parris ?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Urquhart, 'provincial' suggests a Londoner (whether born or adopted). I'll guess Jeremy Irons (only because I read a 'Luvvie' piece whereby he was stating the importance of sustainable living but was then asked why he had seven homes and replied that houses were his only extravagance).
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    chestnut said:

    The problem with IT projects in DWP has always been the same.

    The underlying rules and system are pretty complex, and the politicians change those rules at the drop of a hat, or a bad press story.

    Trying to combine multiple benefits whilst incorporating real-time wage reporting is largely 'asking for it'.

    Trying to do it live is stupid. It should be done as a research project first of all, take a data feed and work out the issues about real time reporting before you get anywhere near writing the real system.

    Problem is it will then fall into the same hole that all such systems do in the private sector. No one wants to fund a project that isn't going to have a real world end system, even if the work is massively beneficial to the end result. If you do manage to get the research funded, you have no chance of throwing it away and writing the production system properly, some muppet will want you to butcher the prototype and "productionize it".

    Many years ago the Chief Engineer at IBM UK told me this truth. "The final stage of any prototype project should be to delete it, otherwise some idiot will try and find a way to get it into production"
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Utah Republican Presidential Caucus Deseret News/KSL Cruz 42, Kasich 13, Trump 21, Rubio 17

    As the Rubio figure would indicate, old methodology.

    It's Cruz v 50% as far as anyone is concerned. Shame there isn't a market (?)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Has there ever been a female chancellor of the exchequer?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The shadow shadow cabinet out in force today

    @BBCNormanS: Interesting Chris Leslie, Yvwette Coper, Chuka Umunna, Rachel Reeves leading Labour attack on Osborne. Alternative opposition ??
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.

    Does he live in the provincial slum of Chipping Norton?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    AndyJS said:

    Has there ever been a female chancellor of the exchequer?

    Nope
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:
    The underlying engines for the growth of public spending put in place by Gordon Brown have proven incredibly hard to turn off. To achieve that in the area of benefit spending really required either fundamental reform along the lines of Universal Credit or constant paring of entitlements for which ever more people seem to qualify. IDS's (or his department's) inability to roll out UC has caused this government (and the Coalition) to go down the paring route with all the political obliquely that engenders.

    That chart is a good example of the consequences. In part, the government is a victim of its own success. As with WTC they have had remarkable success in increasing the number of disabled active in the workforce significantly increasing their entitlement to PIPs. If the cost to the taxpayer is to be controlled entitlement has to be narrowed, I really don't see any other choice.

    The DWP failure to deliver UC over 6 years has undoubtedly made Osborne's job a lot more difficult and no doubt has poisoned the relationship between the 2 men. Would someone cleverer or more competent have got the DWP to deliver? That is a lot harder to tell.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016
    taffys said:

    Having warned on here Osborne was in trouble since last year, I now find myself sympathising with the beleaguered chancellor.

    Whichever way he tries to balance the books his party wails. What's IDS's recipe for a surplus, I wonder.

    I as read it IDS supported the cuts as a necessity he just get pissed off when he saw Osborne was splurging it on tax cuts for the middle classes. The recipe for the surplus might be, controversially, to stop bunging money at the middle classes that don't need it, and particularly at middle and upper middle class pensioners.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249

    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.

    Does he live in the provincial slum of Chipping Norton?
    AA Gill?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    DavidL said:

    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.

    Does he live in the provincial slum of Chipping Norton?
    AA Gill?
    You're getting close.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.

    Does he live in the provincial slum of Chipping Norton?
    Getting warm...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Indigo said:

    I as read it IDS supported the cuts as a necessity he just get pissed off when he saw Osborne was splurging it on tax cuts for the middle classes.

    Tax cuts for the middle class were in the manifesto IDS was elected on.

    Did IDS not read it, or not understand it?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    DavidL said:

    The DWP failure to deliver UC over 6 years has undoubtedly made Osborne's job a lot more difficult and no doubt has poisoned the relationship between the 2 men. Would someone cleverer or more competent have got the DWP to deliver? That is a lot harder to tell.

    Given the governments success in delivering complex IT systems, highly unlikely.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Indigo, worth noting the passport system works really well (but that is an exception to the trend, alas).
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Just a week ago it looked like he was a shoo-in for PM. Now it looks like he won't make it till next week-end as Chancellor.

    It feels like the culmination of Tim's life's work .
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249
    Indigo said:

    DavidL said:

    The DWP failure to deliver UC over 6 years has undoubtedly made Osborne's job a lot more difficult and no doubt has poisoned the relationship between the 2 men. Would someone cleverer or more competent have got the DWP to deliver? That is a lot harder to tell.

    Given the governments success in delivering complex IT systems, highly unlikely.

    I tend to agree. We saw similar problems at the Department of Health under Lansley. Government just does not do major reform well, if at all.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016
    Scott_P said:

    Indigo said:

    I as read it IDS supported the cuts as a necessity he just get pissed off when he saw Osborne was splurging it on tax cuts for the middle classes.

    Tax cuts for the middle class were in the manifesto IDS was elected on.

    Did IDS not read it, or not understand it?
    Christ on a bike. Gay Marriage was in the manifesto in the last parliament and Stephen Crabb, IDS's replacement voted against it. What exactly is your point, not every MP agrees with every policy in their manifesto, shocking eh ? Cameron patently doesn't agree with several of the items in his manifesto given the alacrity with which they have been kicked into the long grass after the election.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790

    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.

    Does he live in the provincial slum of Chipping Norton?
    Getting warm...

    Clarkson

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Although I don't support Corbyn's Labour Party, it's good to see the government being subjected to some serious opposition (from various quarters) for the first time in ages.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Indigo said:

    Christ on a bike. Gay Marriage was in the manifesto in the last parliament and Stephen Crabb, IDS's replacement voted against it. .

    No it wasn't, and it was a free vote, and Stephen Crabb wasn't a Cabinet Minister at the time.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.

    Does he live in the provincial slum of Chipping Norton?
    Getting warm...

    Clarkson

    Winner winner chicken dinner.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016

    Indigo said:

    Christ on a bike. Gay Marriage was in the manifesto in the last parliament and Stephen Crabb, IDS's replacement voted against it. .

    No it wasn't, and it was a free vote, and Stephen Crabb wasn't a Cabinet Minister at the time.
    and IDS didn't object in public until after he resigned.

    and i didn't say anything about a whipped vote, I said it was in the manifesto.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Indigo said:

    What exactly is your point

    IDS didn't suddenly discover what was happening with the budget moments before he resigned. He agreed with it, right up to the point when he decided his hatred of the PM exceeded his desire for good governance.

    Again.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    AndyJS said:

    Although I don't support Corbyn's Labour Party, it's good to see the government being subjected to some serious opposition (from various quarters) for the first time in ages.

    Mostly self-generated opposition, it has to be said....
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: If there is one man that can unite the Tory party, forget Boris, it's John McDonnell.

    @DPJHodges: Always seems a great ruse to drag the minister to the chamber when the government's in trouble. Always the same result. MPs rally round.
  • Scott_P said:

    Indigo said:

    What exactly is your point

    IDS didn't suddenly discover what was happening with the budget moments before he resigned. He agreed with it, right up to the point when he decided his hatred of the PM exceeded his desire for good governance.

    Again.
    Scott P
    You seem sure on the facts of what happened.
    Could you please list the errors Osborne made with his Budget.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited March 2016
    If I have £100 today and £150 forecast for 2020, is receiving £130 by then a cut ?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Mr. Indigo, worth noting the passport system works really well (but that is an exception to the trend, alas).

    That area of government sadly has not been without its own IT clusterf*cks.

    http://www.itpro.co.uk/604380/108-million-written-off-with-e-passport-system
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/19/raytheon_payout_uk_e_borders/

    So its good that it works eventually ;)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Mark, self-harm can be fatal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    I have a friend who worked at CCHQ and he's asked me a huge favour. I get the feeling this the thoughts of Matthew Parker Street.

    'Would be greatly appreciated if every PB thread you wrote between now and June 24th reminded the Eurosceptic right what happened in the 90s we started banging on about Europe and how IDS used to coordinate with Labour whips to help defeat the Government in the 90s'

    Did you point out that if that is what they want then they should ask Cameron to stop speaking about Europe every time he makes a speech and admonish Osborne for talking about the EU referendum in his recent budget. The evidence is that it is Cameron and Osborne that go on and on and on and on about Europe, the EU and the referendum whereas the smart move for party loyalty should be to just STFU, since banging on about it is regarded as a bad idea at CCHQ.

    Or is it one rule for one side and another rule for the other?
    You sound like the Lib Dems when Dave started campaigning against AV.
    He's suspended collective responsibility so people can oppose him.
    Stop whinging and get campaigning.
    That tweet above by Dan Hodges (pbuh) is a fair analysis.
    I thought you wanted to tone down the mentions of the EU in line with the CCHQ request?
    I'm no CCHQ lackey nor do I write propaganda.

    I write what I like.
    You would say that, wouldn't you?
    LaCCHQy.
    Very good....
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    You seem sure on the facts of what happened.

    They are not in dispute
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Scott_P said:

    Indigo said:

    What exactly is your point

    IDS didn't suddenly discover what was happening with the budget moments before he resigned. He agreed with it, right up to the point when he decided his hatred of the PM exceeded his desire for good governance.

    Again.
    Speculation.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    OT Just watching Daredevil S2. Netflix. It's excellent, dark, great fight scenes and nasty enough violence to push you back into your seat without going too far.
  • Scott_P said:

    You seem sure on the facts of what happened.

    They are not in dispute
    What errors do you think Osborne made?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Indigo said:

    Speculation.

    Observation.

    The budget was agreed and delivered without IDS deciding he needed to resign.

    Then, 2 days later, he decided he did need to resign.
  • Dave full of praise for IDS
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249

    ‘Provincial Britain is probably one of the most depressing places on earth… the towns, with their pedestrian precincts and the endless parade of charity shops and estate agents… There is nothing you want to see. Nothing you want to do. You wade knee-deep through a sea of discarded styrofoam trays smeared with bits of last night’s horseburger… for the most part urban Britain is utterly devoid of any redeeming feature whatsoever.’

    Have a guess who wrote this? No cheating...famous luuvie, no not Roger.

    Does he live in the provincial slum of Chipping Norton?
    Getting warm...

    Clarkson

    I thought that was too obvious and it must be a trick. Hey ho.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Why has disability spending gone up so much since 2010 ?!

    11.5 -> 16.4 Billion !!!!

    People on disability don't count as unemployed.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016
    Scott_P said:

    Indigo said:

    Speculation.

    Observation.

    The budget was agreed and delivered without IDS deciding he needed to resign.

    Then, 2 days later, he decided he did need to resign.
    Speculation. You are in possession of none of the correspondence and party to none of the conversations, you pulled it out of your @rse because it suits your narrative.

    Had IDS resigned on the budget day, it would have been massively more damaging to the government, that fact that he didn't is as good a proof as you can get that it was not his intention to damage the government.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Christ on a bike. Gay Marriage was in the manifesto in the last parliament and Stephen Crabb, IDS's replacement voted against it. .

    No it wasn't, and it was a free vote, and Stephen Crabb wasn't a Cabinet Minister at the time.
    and IDS didn't object in public until after he resigned.

    and i didn't say anything about a whipped vote, I said it was in the manifesto.
    Which it wasn't, as it happens. There was however a non-manifesto statement of intent to have a free vote on the matter, which is what happened.

    In any case, you seem to think there was some sort of equivalence between Stephen Crabb voting in a free vote, and IDS resigning over the Budget. Which is pretty damned daft.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Indigo said:

    it suits your narrative.

    It fits the available facts. Unlike the "resigned cos of cuts" narrative, which fits none of them.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_P said:

    Indigo said:

    I as read it IDS supported the cuts as a necessity he just get pissed off when he saw Osborne was splurging it on tax cuts for the middle classes.

    Tax cuts for the middle class were in the manifesto IDS was elected on.

    Did IDS not read it, or not understand it?
    Is this one if those weird definitions of middle class that includes only the top 10% of earners?
  • Corbyn infering he wants more migrants to come to UK. How to shoot yourself in the foot
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Too much gratuitous violence is desensitisating too. The fight scenes are beautifully done - brutal but almost fun/martial arts. And not just a load of fist throwing.

    I'm rewinding them, such a difference to the crap boring ones in say Arrow.

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Christ on a bike. Gay Marriage was in the manifesto in the last parliament and Stephen Crabb, IDS's replacement voted against it. .

    No it wasn't, and it was a free vote, and Stephen Crabb wasn't a Cabinet Minister at the time.
    and IDS didn't object in public until after he resigned.

    and i didn't say anything about a whipped vote, I said it was in the manifesto.
    Which it wasn't, as it happens. There was however a non-manifesto statement of intent to have a free vote on the matter, which is what happened.

    In any case, you seem to think there was some sort of equivalence between Stephen Crabb voting in a free vote, and IDS resigning over the Budget. Which is pretty damned daft.
    No I think Scot&Paste's whole line of idiotic non sequiturs are pretty damn daft. IDS disagreed with some of the manifesto, lots of MPs disagree with bits of the manifesto, maybe Crabb isn't the best example, there are plenty of others, most Labour MPs would disagree with privatising bits of the NHS, labour did it all the same, and no MP decided not to stand on that basis. Collective responsibility means not bitching about it in public when you are a minister, which he didn't, the resigned and then complained.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    Indigo said:

    What exactly is your point

    IDS didn't suddenly discover what was happening with the budget moments before he resigned. He agreed with it, right up to the point when he decided his hatred of the PM exceeded his desire for good governance.

    Again.
    Timing, Scott.

    Poorly managed sensitivities.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IsabelHardman: This is a terrible response from Corbyn, delivered when government is in complete mess.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited March 2016
    Corbyn is abysmal.
  • Scott_P said:

    @IsabelHardman: This is a terrible response from Corbyn, delivered when government is in complete mess.

    He is just not up to it and the conservatives know it
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Scott_P said:

    Indigo said:

    it suits your narrative.

    It fits the available facts. Unlike the "resigned cos of cuts" narrative, which fits none of them.
    Except it is what he put in his letter, and what he said on the telly. If you want to call him a liar, you probably should present some evidence, rather than speculation and fancy.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Ben
    For no reason Corbyn starts SHOUTING.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Miss Plato, indeed, when you've got an extreme thing but overuse it, it loses its impact (that's one of the reasons I don't have much proper swearing in my books. It can become a crutch and also removes the opportunity for a more creative insult).

    There's also the risk, with extreme violence, it becomes a bit fetishistic.

    Incidentally, failed to mention this before, but the Disrespect Nobody adverts are a steaming pile of bigotry. But it's anti-male bigotry, so that seems to be ok [they're the public information films about coercion/control being wrong in relationships, with every victim female and every perpetrator given a male voice].
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Lolz

    Chris G
    Corbyn should sit down. Shut up for 3 months. Tories provide much better opposition to the Gov.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: I think that statement from Corbyn has made a summer leadership challenge against him inevitable.

    @gsoh31: Kinnock after Westland was a triumph compared to this. I cannot believe it. Penalty spot. Double sized goal. No goalkeeper. Fired over bar.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm just watching the Fifth season. It's something of a curate's egg. Some very good bits, and others less good. The story in Kings Landing is hugely simplified, but the High Sparrow really is superbly played by Jonathan Pryce, as a man who is kind and mild - but absolutely fanatical. So far, the storyline at the Wall is very good too. OTOH, Sansa and Littlefinger's story is very hard to believe. I'm also bracing myself for two scenes of absolutely excruciating horror.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Ben
    For no reason Corbyn starts SHOUTING.

    A newer. kinder way of SHOUTING :smile:
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: I think that statement from Corbyn has made a summer leadership challenge against him inevitable.

    @gsoh31: Kinnock after Westland was a triumph compared to this. I cannot believe it. Penalty spot. Double sized goal. No goalkeeper. Fired over bar.

    It would be quite fun if both major parties had leadership challenges simultaneously. Not totally beyond the realms of possibility either.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Miss Plato, maybe he's angry about capitalism?

    Mr. NorthWales, even an idiot can win if his opponent is too busy eating his own face to fight.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited March 2016
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why has disability spending gone up so much since 2010 ?!

    11.5 -> 16.4 Billion !!!!

    People on disability don't count as unemployed.
    OTOH:

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/mar/15/disability-cuts-cutbacks-destroy-independent-living-budget

    "Disabled charities have described the plans, which is expected to hit an additional 400,000 people who will see their weekly PIP payments fall from an enhanced £82 to the standard £55, as devastating."

    The only conclusion one can reach is that there must be a whole new group of people getting PIP
    I can't find anything in the press about this lot though
  • Corbyn has just made Cameron look like a statesman
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @patrick_kidd: That was arguably Corbyn's worst yet given how good it could have been. What could Cooper, Eagle, Benn et al have done with this chance?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. F, I think I might leave until the sixth series reviews are in.

    Pryce is a top chap.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @election_data: I don't have anything charitable to say about Corbyn there, beyond the first sentence he uttered. Cameron now has the upper hand. How?!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I've just bought the season 5 DVD and looking forward to watching some of it over the Easter holidays. And season 6 of GOT starts on April 24th, I think, and this time we really don't know what to expect.

    On my reading: about to start on Samantha Shannon's "The Mime Order". Her first book,"The Bone Season" was intriguing to say the least.
  • Miss Plato, maybe he's angry about capitalism?

    Mr. NorthWales, even an idiot can win if his opponent is too busy eating his own face to fight.

    Yes but you expect he will learn and improve but he is a disaster and allows the indiscipline in the conservatives
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IanDunt: Anyway, no-one cares about that. Good PM performance, Corbyn bit useless. Cam & Tories in better position than they were before UQ.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    edited March 2016
    Mr. Royale, I didn't really mind that.

    That said, given it bothered you probably wise you didn't watch the fourth series.

    Mr. K, I'd be interested in your spoiler-free thoughts on the fifth series.

    There's a lot to like, but I think they're pushing some things a bit overboard.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. NorthWales, forget ye not that Conservative stupidity and complacency is also to blame for indiscipline.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    TBH, any show that involves pregnant women normally involves the entirely predictable, boring, sweaty birth scenes complete with lots of yelling and crying infant.

    I FFW over them.

    I tried watching Ray Donovan twice and gave in. Endless swearing, shouting and 15 sec sex scenes with no point inserted at random.

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Mr. Royale, I didn't really mind that.

    That said, given it bothered you probably wise you didn't watch the fourth series.

    Mr. K, I'd be interested in your spoiler-free thoughts on the fifth series.

    There's a lot to like, but I think they're pushing some things a bit overboard.

    Also, she was hot and that ruled out further scenes of rumpy pumpy with her in it.
  • Mr. Royale, I didn't really mind that.

    That said, given it bothered you probably wise you didn't watch the fourth series.

    Mr. K, I'd be interested in your spoiler-free thoughts on the fifth series.

    There's a lot to like, but I think they're pushing some things a bit overboard.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. NorthWales, forget ye not that Conservative stupidity and complacency is also to blame for indiscipline.

    Very good point well made
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why has disability spending gone up so much since 2010 ?!

    11.5 -> 16.4 Billion !!!!

    People on disability don't count as unemployed.
    OTOH:

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/mar/15/disability-cuts-cutbacks-destroy-independent-living-budget

    "Disabled charities have described the plans, which is expected to hit an additional 400,000 people who will see their weekly PIP payments fall from an enhanced £82 to the standard £55, as devastating."

    The only conclusion one can reach is that there must be a whole new group of people getting PIP
    I can't find anything in the press about this lot though
    There's been very little change in the economic inactivity due to long-term disability/ill-health.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/chartimage?uri=/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/march2016/1274aacd
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Just listened to corbyn's response on the migrant crisis,he wasn't happy with the migrants in Turkey,migrant camps round Syria,in other EU countries and he wasn't happy with the migrants in Calais and Dunkirk.

    It sounded like corbyn wants Britain to take hundred of thousands of migrants with his response,like hell I will be looking at voting labour until they get some sound immigration policies with a sensible leader.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,798
    Indigo said:

    chestnut said:

    The problem with IT projects in DWP has always been the same.

    The underlying rules and system are pretty complex, and the politicians change those rules at the drop of a hat, or a bad press story.

    Trying to combine multiple benefits whilst incorporating real-time wage reporting is largely 'asking for it'.

    Trying to do it live is stupid. It should be done as a research project first of all, take a data feed and work out the issues about real time reporting before you get anywhere near writing the real system.

    Problem is it will then fall into the same hole that all such systems do in the private sector. No one wants to fund a project that isn't going to have a real world end system, even if the work is massively beneficial to the end result. If you do manage to get the research funded, you have no chance of throwing it away and writing the production system properly, some muppet will want you to butcher the prototype and "productionize it".

    Many years ago the Chief Engineer at IBM UK told me this truth. "The final stage of any prototype project should be to delete it, otherwise some idiot will try and find a way to get it into production"
    One issue with the RT side of things was that HMRC wouldn't let DWP anywhere near the real time data....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Miss Plato, on violence, I think In series 4 Game of Thrones was in danger of over-egging the cake. I'm not a squeamish fellow but the end of episode 8 was significantly grim. Hard to say if it was lessened or exacerbated by my foreknowledge (it's in the books).

    [Not pre-ordered the fifth series. I may acquire it at some point].

    I'm not a prude but I stopped watching at the end of Season 3.

    I don't mind the rumpy pumpy but I really don't want to see a (*spoiler alert*) pregnant woman stabbed to death through her belly.
    You may not want to see it but it has happened time and again, that scene is more realistic than dragons sadly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why has disability spending gone up so much since 2010 ?!

    11.5 -> 16.4 Billion !!!!

    People on disability don't count as unemployed.
    OTOH:

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/mar/15/disability-cuts-cutbacks-destroy-independent-living-budget

    "Disabled charities have described the plans, which is expected to hit an additional 400,000 people who will see their weekly PIP payments fall from an enhanced £82 to the standard £55, as devastating."

    The only conclusion one can reach is that there must be a whole new group of people getting PIP
    I can't find anything in the press about this lot though
    There's been very little change in the economic inactivity due to long-term disability/ill-health.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/chartimage?uri=/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/march2016/1274aacd
    WHat's causing the severe northward pressure on the PIP spending given alot of disabled people seem to have had their benefits cut. I have no axe to grind here, I'm just trying to get to an intellectual/mathematical disconnect...

    Have guide dogs asked for a raise ?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :smiley:

    Mr. Royale, I didn't really mind that.

    That said, given it bothered you probably wise you didn't watch the fourth series.

    Mr. K, I'd be interested in your spoiler-free thoughts on the fifth series.

    There's a lot to like, but I think they're pushing some things a bit overboard.

    Also, she was hot and that ruled out further scenes of rumpy pumpy with her in it.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why has disability spending gone up so much since 2010 ?!

    11.5 -> 16.4 Billion !!!!

    People on disability don't count as unemployed.
    OTOH:

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/mar/15/disability-cuts-cutbacks-destroy-independent-living-budget

    "Disabled charities have described the plans, which is expected to hit an additional 400,000 people who will see their weekly PIP payments fall from an enhanced £82 to the standard £55, as devastating."

    The only conclusion one can reach is that there must be a whole new group of people getting PIP
    I can't find anything in the press about this lot though
    There's been very little change in the economic inactivity due to long-term disability/ill-health.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/chartimage?uri=/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/march2016/1274aacd
    WHat's causing the severe northward pressure on the PIP spending given alot of disabled people seem to have had their benefits cut. I have no axe to grind here, I'm just trying to get to an intellectual/mathematical disconnect...

    Have guide dogs asked for a raise ?
    I'm interested too. Just checking a possible off the list.
  • Entertaining "Where's George" caption on an ITV news report on the latest budget shenanigans. Sending Gauke into the commons looks ill-advised
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Corbyn is a spoof...gotta be..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Royale, your casual sexism does you no credit.

    [For the record, she was indeed smoking].

    Incidentally, Sir Edric's adventures feature many attractive women. Well, women and elves. And one welf.
  • dyingswandyingswan Posts: 189
    That was toe curling stuff from Corbyn. My toes are so curled that I fear I may need surgery to straighten them out. Please someone on the Labour side- just tell him the truth. He is simply not a public speaker.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    WHat's causing the severe northward pressure on the PIP spending given alot of disabled people seem to have had their benefits cut. I have no axe to grind here, I'm just trying to get to an intellectual/mathematical disconnect...

    Have guide dogs asked for a raise ?

    According to the Beeb article posted earlier:

    Those same sources have told the BBC the problems are "to do with people transferring to PIP from DLA. They are sicker than the DLA system said they were."

    The OBR said the rising costs were because of higher-than-expected caseloads - and people getting more money than ministers had predicted. The average payout is now £100 a week, 14% higher than expected.


    In other words, it sounds as though the PIP rules were mis-calibrated so that, instead of saving money, they've ended up increasing payments compared with DLA.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35861447
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: Just listened again to Jeremy Corbyn. No mention of IDS. Christ.

    @SamCoatesTimes: Corbyn obsesses about tedious process - no show of Osborne etc which matters little to votes. Ignores IDS gift. Labour MPs horrified.
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