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  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    Eagles

    It doesn't matter whether what SeanT was saying is right or wrong.
    It doesn't matter what you and JohnO * think from meeting Cameron is right or wrong.
    It doesn't matter even matter what I think, in cervesia veritas **, is right or wrong.

    What matters is that it confirms people's prejudices that the Conservatives are heartless c*nts who will take from the disadvantaged and give it to themselves and their mates.

    As you suggest the voters already think that. However, they also think they basically know what they're doing, so as long as the opposition don't offer any competition on that front they'll keep getting elected.
    That's the longterm divide in the people's eyes:

    Conservative = heartless but competent
    Labour = well meaning but incompetent

    The whole point of the 'Cameron Project' was to 'detoxify' the heartless bit.

    Without that what do the Cameroons have ?

    Is there anyone here who would place George Osborne in charge of their own personal finances ?

    What the Cameroons have is control of the government. The don't need to detoxify the heartless bit any more because Labour aren't making any attempt to counter well-meaning but incompetent.
    Its worse than that for Labour.

    Corbyn and his cronies are turning Labour's brand into 'hate you and incompetent'.


  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268

    Baroness Altman just fired an exocet back at IDS in a correscating statement about his motives and how difficult he was to deal with. Also Michael Gove and Priti Patel come out in support of Osborne.

    Fight! Fight!

    It feels strange that Labour is the most united party this month, courtesy of Cam and Ozzy for giving issues salience that they like to fight thier party over (Europe, disability) and we're broadly agreed about. Much obliged, squires.
    The Labour Party's demand for obedience to EU cause is one of the reasons I don't vote for them at the moment.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Montgomerie was touring the media telling IDS's tale within moments of his resignation. He and IDS are clearly acting hand in glove so if anyone is looking for an honest appraisal of Osborn's future I would take anything Montgomerie says with a large pinch of salt,

    It would be difficult to imagine such venal disloyalty as is being shown by Tory insiders at the moment. To those not of the persuasion it's a real eye opener of how Tories treat those who put them in power. It's time some of us started giving Corbyn and Labour a bit more slack because for all their faults they couldn't be as bad as this crowd
  • Just a thought. If Osborne decides to go pre 23d June and DC offers it to Gove will he take it

    Cameron has nade clear from this reshuffle that he is only interested in promoting Remainers.
    Not after Gove has endorsed Osborne tonight
    Patel also endorsed Osborne but was shunted aside for pro-European Crabb.
    The reason, even Leavers are agreeing with, on why Crabb was promoted to DWP was not because he's a Remainer, is that 1) he's very capable, 2) because of his background it will be very hard to characterise him as a heartless Tory toff who gets the horn by cutting the benefits of the poor.
    .
    All of which applies to working class girl of immigrant parents Priti Patel. With of course themajor extra benefit of her being deeply involved with the department already, so would have a major headstart. She was the obvious choice. But she's a Leaver and Crabb is a Remainer, so her loyalty in support of Osborne counts for nothing.
    I expect her to be in the post referendum cabinet
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001

    SeanT said:


    Silly isn't it. Cameron, having decided to do a Wilson, didn't seem to bother to read up on Wilson's personal strategy, which allowed Wilson to keep his party together even while cabinet ministers campaigned on both sides of the '75 referendum. That is Cameron for you. Maybe, his true nature is starting to show: arrogant, vengeful, lacking in empathy and emotional intelligence, and, all round, not very nice.

    Even this reshuffle has show how deeply tribalist Cameron is. Crabb, Cairns and Bebb are all Remainers. Meanwhile Patel, who was obviously most experienced in the department to take over from IDS, has been ignored. Think Cameron is doing all he can to stop a Leaver taking over from him. Not great after most of them showed loyalty during his ridiculous gagging laws.
    I'm coming to the conclusion that Cameron is, sociopolitically, a fucking idiot who got lucky.

    I am sure he is smart in a *PPE* sense, but he has literally no idea how ordinary people think, nor how Tory MPs, members, and activists from less privileged backgrounds might behave, and what they might sincerely believe.

    Its worse than that.

    Cameron despises people who don't come from his privileged background.

    Yet he also has a deep insecurity towards and longing to be a member of the metropolitan leftists.

    Cameron is a man who feels ashamed to be a Tory and hates people (of a lower socioeconomic background) who are Conservatives by choice.

    Hmmm. Cameron is a straight down the line Tory, as is Osborne. I think he is a lot more hated than he is a hater.

    Well that's a given considering that all successful politicians are hated.

    But even thinking back to 2005 when Cameron first became prominent all the articles were how he was a 'new ' type of Tory in touch with metropolitan progressiveness.
    I think this is a bit of delusion Richard. At some point the Tories do need to appeal to people born after 1970. That's not really about being metropolitan, it's accepting the attitudes of that generation on things like marriage and homosexuality.
  • Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    A vast, heaving gap is opening up in the middle ground and no-one seems very interested in occupying it. Strange days.

    It's because the middle ground is currently occupied by self serving f*ckwits of all parties who see if as a means of gaining or keeping power rather than an end in itself. It will be.perfctly possible to have principled people who believed in the middle ground just as there are principled people on the left and right who believe in those positions. The trouble is the non of the current crop have any principles beyond gaining and holding office.
    The consequence of the 'professional politician'.

    Now 'professional politicians' might do well in times of peace and affluence - see Blair and Clinton - but when times get hard ...

  • Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

    Expensive way of having second thoughts - but LVG is a disaster and must go, maybe after tomorrow's derby
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Danny565 said:

    Dunno if it's already been posted, but the Telegraph claims Priti Patel was also considering resigning over the Wheelchair Tax.

    You couldn't make these people up
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

    One less on the unemployment figures...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587

    Baroness Altman just fired an exocet back at IDS in a correscating statement about his motives and how difficult he was to deal with. Also Michael Gove and Priti Patel come out in support of Osborne.

    Fight! Fight!

    It feels strange that Labour is the most united party this month, courtesy of Cam and Ozzy for giving issues salience that they like to fight thier party over (Europe, disability) and we're broadly agreed about. Much obliged, squires.
    The Labour Party's demand for obedience to EU cause is one of the reasons I don't vote for them at the moment.
    Nobody's demanding it, and there are some with a different view (I think the party's a bit feeble about it, to be honest; others are against), but the centre of gravity is mildly pro, and it's not seen as the decisive issue, as the Tories mysteriously seem to feel it to be.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001
    WillHill have Cameron and Osborne both 7/2 to leave their jobs this year. That looks long.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The family that flays together stays together?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932
    perdix said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:


    Yes. All these reports of swearing rage - first at Boris, now at IDS - they do not denote the calm Old Etonian in serene control of events.

    Cameron has destroyed his legacy and his reputation with this one, single referendum, and in particular the lying "deal" he tried to sell (and now does not mention). He will never recover.

    Silly isn't it. Cameron, having decided to do a Wilson, didn't seem to bother to read up on Wilson's personal strategy, which allowed Wilson to keep his party together even while cabinet ministers campaigned on both sides of the '75 referendum. That is Cameron for you. Maybe, his true nature is starting to show: arrogant, vengeful, lacking in empathy and emotional intelligence, and, all round, not very nice.
    Even this reshuffle has show how deeply tribalist Cameron is. Crabb, Cairns and Bebb are all Remainers. Meanwhile Patel, who was obviously most experienced in the department to take over from IDS, has been ignored. Think Cameron is doing all he can to stop a Leaver taking over from him. Not great after most of them showed loyalty during his ridiculous gagging laws.
    I'm coming to the conclusion that Cameron is, sociopolitically, a fucking idiot who got lucky.

    I am sure he is smart in a *PPE* sense, but he has literally no idea how ordinary people think, nor how Tory MPs, members, and activists from less privileged backgrounds might behave, and what they might sincerely believe.

    Its worse than that.

    Cameron despises people who don't come from his privileged background.

    Yet he also has a deep insecurity towards and longing to be a member of the metropolitan leftists.

    Cameron is a man who feels ashamed to be a Tory and hates people (of a lower socioeconomic background) who are Conservatives by choice.

    Those of kipper tendency railing against Cam and Ozzie on here would have done so even if they had been acclaimed as heroes by the public. No ideas from them just bile.

    I've had rather more original ideas than you have had on this site.

    I know that with certainty because you've never done anything but bleat, bleat and bleat.

  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    WillHill have Cameron and Osborne both 7/2 to leave their jobs this year. That looks long.

    It's basically a proxy bet on leave winning.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

    One less on the unemployment figures...
    Given his agent is Gestifute, his contract will probably be on Football Leaks soon...
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

    How much will they have to pay him when they sack him in 18 months time to bring in the next 'saviour' ?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062

    Just a thought. If Osborne decides to go pre 23d June and DC offers it to Gove will he take it

    Cameron has nade clear from this reshuffle that he is only interested in promoting Remainers.
    Not after Gove has endorsed Osborne tonight
    Patel also endorsed Osborne but was shunted aside for pro-European Crabb.
    The reason, even Leavers are agreeing with, on why Crabb was promoted to DWP was not because he's a Remainer, is that 1) he's very capable, 2) because of his background it will be very hard to characterise him as a heartless Tory toff who gets the horn by cutting the benefits of the poor.
    .
    All of which applies to working class girl of immigrant parents Priti Patel. With of course themajor extra benefit of her being deeply involved with the department already, so would have a major headstart. She was the obvious choice. But she's a Leaver and Crabb is a Remainer, so her loyalty in support of Osborne counts for nothing.
    Choosing someone who wants to bring back hanging probably isn't what Cameron's looking for at the moment
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062

    Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

    LGV will surely walk away. Hopefully tomorrow morning before the game
  • Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

    How much will they have to pay him when they sack him in 18 months time to bring in the next 'saviour' ?
    Working in Manchester, I'm surrounded my Manchester United supporting colleagues, what really hurts them, there's two managers within 35 miles of Old Trafford better suited to managing United than either LVG or Mourinho.

    It is messing up their minds.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Incidentally, a Eurosceptic acquaintance tells me there was a meltdown at one of their events this week which seems to have avoided the press - a prominent (not UKIP) campaigner used the c*** word about Cameron and two MPs stalked out in protest.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

    How much will they have to pay him when they sack him in 18 months time to bring in the next 'saviour' ?
    Working in Manchester, I'm surrounded my Manchester United supporting colleagues, what really hurts them, there's two managers within 35 miles of Old Trafford better suited to managing United than either LVG or Mourinho.

    It is messing up their minds.
    Can I take it that all these Manchester based Manchester United fans have Southern accents ?
  • Absolutely wasn't expecting this to happen, totally surprised face

    José Mourinho has reportedly signed a pre-contract agreement to join Manchester United, with the former Chelsea manager due up to £15m in compensation if he is not appointed by the club by 1 June.


    The Portuguese has been out of work since his sacking by Chelsea in December but has been persistently linked with Louis van Gaal’s job at Manchester United. Last week, Mourinho said he wants to join a new club in the summer after “reading and listening to a few lies” about his future.

    According to the Spanish newspaper El País on Saturday night, a source from his agent Jorge Mendes’s company Gestifute has now confirmed the 53-year-old has already signed an agreement to move to Old Trafford last month, although United still reserve the right to change their mind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

    How much will they have to pay him when they sack him in 18 months time to bring in the next 'saviour' ?
    Working in Manchester, I'm surrounded my Manchester United supporting colleagues, what really hurts them, there's two managers within 35 miles of Old Trafford better suited to managing United than either LVG or Mourinho.

    It is messing up their minds.
    Can I take it that all these Manchester based Manchester United fans have Southern accents ?
    Most of them have Manc accents.
  • Is days like this I regret editing PB on Sundays.
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    Roger said:

    Just a thought. If Osborne decides to go pre 23d June and DC offers it to Gove will he take it

    Cameron has nade clear from this reshuffle that he is only interested in promoting Remainers.
    Not after Gove has endorsed Osborne tonight
    Patel also endorsed Osborne but was shunted aside for pro-European Crabb.
    The reason, even Leavers are agreeing with, on why Crabb was promoted to DWP was not because he's a Remainer, is that 1) he's very capable, 2) because of his background it will be very hard to characterise him as a heartless Tory toff who gets the horn by cutting the benefits of the poor.
    .
    All of which applies to working class girl of immigrant parents Priti Patel. With of course themajor extra benefit of her being deeply involved with the department already, so would have a major headstart. She was the obvious choice. But she's a Leaver and Crabb is a Remainer, so her loyalty in support of Osborne counts for nothing.
    Choosing someone who wants to bring back hanging probably isn't what Cameron's looking for at the moment
    As opposed to an evangelical opponent of gay rights??
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001

    WillHill have Cameron and Osborne both 7/2 to leave their jobs this year. That looks long.

    It's basically a proxy bet on leave winning.
    There's more to 2016 than the referendum and even if they win it they might not be long for this world. A healing candidate may be needed to bring the party together.
  • Baroness Altman just fired an exocet back at IDS in a correscating statement about his motives and how difficult he was to deal with. Also Michael Gove and Priti Patel come out in support of Osborne.

    Baroness? Unelected!

    Altmann? Former Banker! :lol:
    Standard banker bashing. She is an expert on pensions who worked closely with him in his department and has every right to attack IDS, apparently especially over his attitude to women's pensions. She has welcomed the appointment of Stephen Crabb
    If she is an expert on pensions (whatever that means) then perhaps she should be in the Treasury, that is where pension policy is now being decided it appears. I also noted this week that George Osborne made statements in his budget speech about the future of education.

    Is there no end to Osborne's talents? He can work out pension policy and education policy (got to be savings there, we can surely dump two SoSs at least) and his has his sticky mitts well into industrial and transport policy too. Of course, it could be argued that if he just concentrated on his actual job then maybe he wouldn't have missed every target he has set himself and the nation's finances might look a lot better.
    Don't forget Osborne's announcement of Regional Mayors for 'West of England', 'Greater Lincolnshire' and 'The Eastern Powerhouse'.
    I'm sure I'm not the only person who while reading Osborne's meddling mania thought "Why don't you f*cking shut up, mind your own business and try to do your own job properly".
    Instead we had Osborne making announcements which were the responsibility of half a dozen different departments.
    Perhaps older PBers could enlighten me but I don't think that was the way Lawson, Howe, Healey, Jenkins and the other Chancellors of yesteryear operated.
    Brown set the example and Osborne has taken the meddling to an extreme.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    MP_SE said:

    Baroness Altman just fired an exocet back at IDS in a correscating statement about his motives and how difficult he was to deal with. Also Michael Gove and Priti Patel come out in support of Osborne.

    Baroness Altman who owes her title to Cameron, comes out in support of Cameron. Now there is a surprise.
    No she came out against IDS as she works with him.
    Funny how she said not one word against him whilst he was still 'onside'. So much for principles.
    Isn't that the point of collective responsibility. That no longer applies the second IDS resigned.
  • ***** BETTING POST *****

    If, like me, you discount there being any realistic chance of either Boris or George Osborne succeeding David Cameron as the next Prime Minister, then this really opens up the remainder of the field. One element of especially good value appears to be the stand-out odds of 16/1 against Michael Gove, offered by Betway, although they'll limit you to maximum stakes of just under a tenner. I've had £6 worth to return £102 if I'm successful.
    Of course, his prospects will depend very largely on the forthcoming referendum returning a LEAVE decision, but equally should it do so, he along with Boris, will become the leading contenders for the top job.
    Betway's price compares with 8/1 from Hills, 9/1 from Bet365, 11/1 from Paddy Power and 12/1 from Betfair Sportsbook, and therefore I'll be surprised if their comparative generosity lasts for long, but as ever DYOR.
  • pinkrosepinkrose Posts: 189

    How does Cameron escape any blame for Osbornes many fuck ups over the years?

    Cameron is the Prime Minister and Conservative party leader, he is Osbornes boss. Surely he sees the budget before Osborne delivers it so why does he not have the final say and wield a veto.

    I despise Cameron more than Osborne. Cameron had a very disabled child and was quite happy to trade on the fact when it was politically useful for him, he also claimed DLA (what is now PIP) for said child when he was alive. Yet Cameron leads a government that has proposed cuts for 650,000 disabled people's entitlement to PIP that would be devastating to their daily needs/life, also only a few weeks ago his government forced a £30 PER WEEK cut for disabled benefit ESA and implemented the bedroom tax that has been devastating for the disabled needing p/t carers. Both Cameron led governments have hammered the disabled in one way or another, truly a disgraceful odious man but seems to escape any criticism from the media etc.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Suggest you read her letter before passing judgement....

    MP_SE said:

    Baroness Altman just fired an exocet back at IDS in a correscating statement about his motives and how difficult he was to deal with. Also Michael Gove and Priti Patel come out in support of Osborne.

    Baroness Altman who owes her title to Cameron, comes out in support of Cameron. Now there is a surprise.
    No she came out against IDS as she works with him.
    Funny how she said not one word against him whilst he was still 'onside'. So much for principles.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Twitter
    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    Political hacks always wrong to assume Osborne harboured ambitions to replace Cameron, especially when he remained Chancellor after GE.. 1/2

    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    But I fully expect Osborne to be instrumental in helping to decide who does become the next Con Leader&PM 2/2 #CriticsKeepUnderestimatingHim

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,628
    edited March 2016
    Morning. So how many insomniacs and expatriates made it up to watch the F1 race?

    Looks like they compromised a little bout the team radio rules, they are now allowed to discuss strategy with the drivers during the race. Qualifying will revert to 2015 rules from next race after yesterday was called out for being crap by absolutely everyone.

    I guess no spoilers during the race as most will be watching it later.
  • fitalass said:

    Twitter
    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    Political hacks always wrong to assume Osborne harboured ambitions to replace Cameron, especially when he remained Chancellor after GE.. 1/2

    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    But I fully expect Osborne to be instrumental in helping to decide who does become the next Con Leader&PM 2/2 #CriticsKeepUnderestimatingHim

    Good to see you back fitalass after a 4 month absence.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    Political hacks always wrong to assume Osborne harboured ambitions to replace Cameron, especially when he remained Chancellor after GE.. 1/2

    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    But I fully expect Osborne to be instrumental in helping to decide who does become the next Con Leader&PM 2/2 #CriticsKeepUnderestimatingHim

    Osborne is the 16th Earl of Warwick. ;)
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Thanks PfP, I have been concentrating on Scottish politics on twitter recently.

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    Political hacks always wrong to assume Osborne harboured ambitions to replace Cameron, especially when he remained Chancellor after GE.. 1/2

    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    But I fully expect Osborne to be instrumental in helping to decide who does become the next Con Leader&PM 2/2 #CriticsKeepUnderestimatingHim

    Good to see you back fitalass after a 4 month absence.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    "You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment"... ;)

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    Political hacks always wrong to assume Osborne harboured ambitions to replace Cameron, especially when he remained Chancellor after GE.. 1/2

    ChristinaD ‏@fitalass 5 hrs5 hours ago
    But I fully expect Osborne to be instrumental in helping to decide who does become the next Con Leader&PM 2/2 #CriticsKeepUnderestimatingHim

    Osborne is the 16th Earl of Warwick. ;)
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    New thread if anyone wants to be first to be second.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,164
    All of the Tory contenders are pretty sub-par. BoJo is superficially popular, but is an incompetent and erratic figure who is disliked and distrusted by very many Conservative MPs. Gove's image is closer to Dobby the House elf than any real leader, and his alliance with Osborne smacks of the underhand amongst many of his colleagues. Priit Patel has very few allies and a questionable past as a tobacco lobbyist. Being the leading Outers also raises yet more questions, especially if Remain wins.

    On the other hand, Sajid Javid is closer to the kind of figure that Cameron may want to succeed him, but is still relatively untested, and his position on the referendum has won him few friends. Still he maybe the best of a bad job, and certainly a better bet than Theresa May, I would have thought.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    I would suggest an interesting competition for this forum. Name the post referendum cabinet

    Divided.
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