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edited March 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Just out: This week’s Politicalbetting/Polling Matters TV show with guests Alastair Meeks and Shadsy from Ladbrokes

There’s so much going on at the moment and so much political betting taking place that is becoming hard to know where to start. This latest edition looks mostly at the UK.

Read the full story here


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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    First!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Second like Trump!
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Sounds interesting, will try listening to it later - where on earth does Mr Meeks find the time?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The next Tory leader wont be a Remainer, that's the only sure thing.
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    NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    I just know I'm going to join the Tories just so I can vote against Osborne.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    One of the best for factual content in the first 10 mins so far.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,500
    If Gove was behind this, then my previously unlimited admiration for him will be at an end

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/707688322337009664
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Alistair Meeks comes over very well.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,500
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Peston is fingering Gove for the Queen story.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Jamin2g: Dan Jarvis to step up and save the Labour Party....
    https://t.co/Ghsc1O3Eh8 https://t.co/H68J1REp10
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Peston is fingering Gove for the Queen story.

    That's rather rude! :o
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BethRigby: Sky News obtains identities of 22K jihadis. Big story this> https://t.co/TsXS1EHZT6
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Scott_P said:

    @Jamin2g: Dan Jarvis to step up and save the Labour Party....
    https://t.co/Ghsc1O3Eh8 https://t.co/H68J1REp10

    Do you think Osborne could win a General Election against Jarvis?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Scott_P said:

    @BethRigby: Sky News obtains identities of 22K jihadis. Big story this> https://t.co/TsXS1EHZT6

    This isn't the first time sky has got a big ISIS scoop. It seems they have the best contacts / doing the most digging of any of the media outlets.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Peston is fingering Gove for the Queen story.

    He would, wouldn't he.

    Brexit supporting MP receiving unfavourable media attention. How surprising.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Labour reverse ferret.

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/09/gerry-downing-excluded-from-labour-party/
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    What do we know?
    Guardian = "Clause one of the Ipso editors’ code of practice covers accuracy. In particular, the clause outlaws “inaccurate, misleading or distorted information” including headlines not supported by the text of the story itself. "
    The headline stated she was for Brexit.
    The content in the article stated she had made anti-Eu statements.
    So the complaint could be justified as the Sun headline did not line up with the content.
    But that does not deny that she has anti-EU views nor is there a denial that she favours Brexit.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    watford30 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Peston is fingering Gove for the Queen story.

    He would, wouldn't he.

    Brexit supporting MP receiving unfavourable media attention. How surprising.
    I don't think Gove would leak the story personally. More likely it leaked second hand from one of his aides.or followers.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    dr_spyn said:

    Labour reverse ferret.

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/09/gerry-downing-excluded-from-labour-party/

    That is good news.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    What do we know?
    Guardian = "Clause one of the Ipso editors’ code of practice covers accuracy. In particular, the clause outlaws “inaccurate, misleading or distorted information” including headlines not supported by the text of the story itself. "
    The headline stated she was for Brexit.
    The content in the article stated she had made anti-Eu statements.
    So the complaint could be justified as the Sun headline did not line up with the content.
    But that does not deny that she has anti-EU views nor is there a denial that she favours Brexit.
    Casuisty.

    The Palace complaint refers to the story as "Specious".
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Peston is fingering Gove for the Queen story.

    That's rather rude! :o
    Finbar Saunders.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Her Majesty is held in much higher regard than any of the Ins, Outs or Shake it All Abouts will ever be. Amazing really, but nevertheless true.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Marco Rubio, in true Mitt Romney form, does a rally in an empty stadium in Florida:

    https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/707684148316610560

    His end is near, could be 6 days max.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited March 2016
    Was there a political biography that mentioned the Queen's concern about the shift of some sovereignty to the EU? I have some recollection but cannot remember the context.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    What do we know?
    Guardian = "Clause one of the Ipso editors’ code of practice covers accuracy. In particular, the clause outlaws “inaccurate, misleading or distorted information” including headlines not supported by the text of the story itself. "
    The headline stated she was for Brexit.
    The content in the article stated she had made anti-Eu statements.
    So the complaint could be justified as the Sun headline did not line up with the content.
    But that does not deny that she has anti-EU views nor is there a denial that she favours Brexit.
    Casuisty.

    The Palace complaint refers to the story as "Specious".
    The heading was misleading about the article's content.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,609
    https://news.yahoo.com/video/poll-33-sanders-supporters-wouldnt-120220441.html

    I think it is more than a third.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Rohullah Yakobi ‎@Roh_Yakobi
    You flee from #Taliban to the UK & join @UKLabour, suddenly you find yourself in the same party as a terrorists apologist. #FeelingSick
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Peston is fingering Gove for the Queen story.

    Twelve hours after everybody else had worked it out... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-queens-pro-brexit-meeting-7521563
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Rohullah Yakobi ‎@Roh_Yakobi
    You flee from #Taliban to the UK & join @UKLabour, suddenly you find yourself in the same party as a terrorists apologist. #FeelingSick

    Just one? I can think of more than one...and not the bloke they kicked out.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    watford30 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Peston is fingering Gove for the Queen story.

    He would, wouldn't he.

    Brexit supporting MP receiving unfavourable media attention. How surprising.
    Impossible to know who it was if HRH is saying it's untrue. The occasion when it happened doesn't exist. Anyway if it had been Gove the story would have gone to Vine at the Mail
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,323
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
    I do think the Sun have made an error by trying to compromise HMQ and the complaint to the press watchdog was inevitable. Furthermore there are moves to report Michael Gove to Jeremy Heywood for investigation into his role as the allegation of HMQ being pro Brexit came out of a Privy Council Meeting. This could be quite serious for Michael Gove if the investigations into the leaks were able to prove he was involved in some way, and it does seem there is only a small field of attendants
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited March 2016
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Was there a political biography that mentioned the Queen's concern about the shift of some sovereignty to the EU? I have some recollection but cannot remember the context.

    What's that photo of the smiling lady?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,848
    edited March 2016
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.

    Neither has she denied that she backs REMAIN... :)

    I assume the story is true, in broad if not in detail. However, to jump from the event (HMQ has a pop at the EU) to the headline (HMQ backs Brexit) is unjustified by the evidence, and I assume this is the essence of the Palace complaint.

    Incidentally, this is the first famous person where the headline wasn't "Eurosceptic accuses X of scaremongering..." ;)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
    People should stop trying to take advantage of the royal family.
    First the Remainers with Prince William, now Leavers with the Queen.

    Another note, I don't think that Trump will win the GE, given the crippled state of the GOP, but whatever he does or says will be televised:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/fox-news-gained-700000-viewers-for-trump-victory-speech-lost-one-million-viewers-when-it-was-over/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnIz7ELbI0g

    Howard Beale for President.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    chestnut said:

    Her Majesty is held in much higher regard than any of the Ins, Outs or Shake it All Abouts will ever be. Amazing really, but nevertheless true.

    Probably on a par with doctors
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    The use of meldonium by “lots of” tennis players was one of the reasons it was outlawed before Maria Sharapova was caught taking it, former World Anti-Doping Agency president Dick Pound claimed on Tuesday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/09/maria-sharapova-meldonium-used-by-lots-of-tennis-players/

    Sounds like a lot of elite tennis players appear to have dodgy tickers and /or diabetics.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Speedy said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
    People should stop trying to take advantage of the royal family.
    First the Remainers with Prince William, now Leavers with the Queen.

    Another note, I don't think that Trump will win the GE, given the crippled state of the GOP, but whatever he does or says will be televised:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/fox-news-gained-700000-viewers-for-trump-victory-speech-lost-one-million-viewers-when-it-was-over/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnIz7ELbI0g

    Howard Beale for President.
    Somebody should give him his own tv show....
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    viewcode said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.

    Neither has she denied that she backs REMAIN... :)

    I assume the story is true, in broad if not in detail. However, to jump from the event (HMQ has a pop at the EU) to the headline (HMQ backs Brexit) is unjustified by the evidence, and I assume this is the essence of the Palace complaint.

    Incidentally, this is the first famous person where the headline wasn't "Eurosceptic accuses X of scaremongering..." ;)
    Cameron used the Queen for indyref and excuse me if I smile at the reverse happening. Even though I think it wrong to involve her but I do wonder what she really feels about the extent of our soverignty that has been given away since the 1970s.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The use of meldonium by “lots of” tennis players was one of the reasons it was outlawed before Maria Sharapova was caught taking it, former World Anti-Doping Agency president Dick Pound claimed on Tuesday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/09/maria-sharapova-meldonium-used-by-lots-of-tennis-players/

    Sounds like a lot of elite tennis players appear to have dodgy tickers and /or diabetics.

    Another sport that is a total sham.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030
    MaxPB said:

    https://news.yahoo.com/video/poll-33-sanders-supporters-wouldnt-120220441.html

    I think it is more than a third.

    Potentially even more Rubio, Cruz and Kasich voters will not vote for Trump
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Roger said:

    chestnut said:

    Her Majesty is held in much higher regard than any of the Ins, Outs or Shake it All Abouts will ever be. Amazing really, but nevertheless true.

    Probably on a par with doctors
    Both significantly higher than politicians or journalists!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030
    Speedy said:

    The next Tory leader wont be a Remainer, that's the only sure thing.

    If it is Remain I would not rule that out
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Speedy said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
    People should stop trying to take advantage of the royal family.
    First the Remainers with Prince William, now Leavers with the Queen.

    Another note, I don't think that Trump will win the GE, given the crippled state of the GOP, but whatever he does or says will be televised:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/fox-news-gained-700000-viewers-for-trump-victory-speech-lost-one-million-viewers-when-it-was-over/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnIz7ELbI0g

    Howard Beale for President.
    Somebody should give him his own tv show....
    He's been on TV since at least 1980.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5VEjF1uhYo
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Roger said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Was there a political biography that mentioned the Queen's concern about the shift of some sovereignty to the EU? I have some recollection but cannot remember the context.

    What's that photo of the smiling lady?
    Where do all those flocking immigrants come from?
    Gillian Duffy, northern working class that are turning their back on Labour. Representative of the people that will probably decide the referendum.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Of course, dial back twenty years or so and there was an attempt to prosecute Douglas Hurd and Francis Maude for misprision of treason as a result of their involvement with Maastricht.

    It failed of course but I could see their point - and perhaps HM the Queen does also. Having her subjects and herself turned into 'citizens of the EU' without their explicit consent might be something she considers rather dubious...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016
    flightpath01 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The use of meldonium by “lots of” tennis players was one of the reasons it was outlawed before Maria Sharapova was caught taking it, former World Anti-Doping Agency president Dick Pound claimed on Tuesday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/09/maria-sharapova-meldonium-used-by-lots-of-tennis-players/

    Sounds like a lot of elite tennis players appear to have dodgy tickers and /or diabetics.

    Another sport that is a total sham.
    I have posted here before what a joke Tennis drug testing has been for years. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There have been long standing rumours about some other very well known players who have taken strange periods of absence.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    viewcode said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Peston is fingering Gove for the Queen story.

    Twelve hours after everybody else had worked it out... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-queens-pro-brexit-meeting-7521563
    Well if true it's very poor judgement by Gove. But Clegg says in interview that it's plain untrue she said anytjoy of the kind.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Speedy said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Speedy said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
    People should stop trying to take advantage of the royal family.
    First the Remainers with Prince William, now Leavers with the Queen.

    Another note, I don't think that Trump will win the GE, given the crippled state of the GOP, but whatever he does or says will be televised:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/fox-news-gained-700000-viewers-for-trump-victory-speech-lost-one-million-viewers-when-it-was-over/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnIz7ELbI0g

    Howard Beale for President.
    Somebody should give him his own tv show....
    He's been on TV since at least 1980.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5VEjF1uhYo
    It was a joke....
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Great loss to Labour - not.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-03-09/alleged-9-11-sympathiser-expelled-from-labour-party/
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,323
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    The next Tory leader wont be a Remainer, that's the only sure thing.

    If it is Remain I would not rule that out
    I think most of us simply do not have a clue who the next leader will be. I cannot see Osborne or Boris making PM and it is another reason why I believe David Cameron will continue post the referendum, irrespective of the result, to bring together a unifying new cabinet and from which, someone in 2018/2019 will emerge, probably female, to succeed. I also think if leave win DC would appoint Gove to lead the exit team
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Roger said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Was there a political biography that mentioned the Queen's concern about the shift of some sovereignty to the EU? I have some recollection but cannot remember the context.

    What's that photo of the smiling lady?
    Where do all those flocking immigrants come from?
    Gillian Duffy, northern working class that are turning their back on Labour. Representative of the people that will probably decide the referendum.
    I thought I'd seen her before!
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    runnymede said:

    Of course, dial back twenty years or so and there was an attempt to prosecute Douglas Hurd and Francis Maude for misprision of treason as a result of their involvement with Maastricht.

    It failed of course but I could see their point - and perhaps HM the Queen does also. Having her subjects and herself turned into 'citizens of the EU' without their explicit consent might be something she considers rather dubious...

    I have heard it but cannot name the source.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    So Ken Clarke failed to act on tip offs about Greville Janner and Cyril Smith according to the Telegraph. Well that should surprise absolutely nobody after the Ben Fellows trial. And remember that Clarke lost a case trying to prevent him being named in the Ben Fellows trial to begin with.

    As for Lord Bramall, that was a very insidious and clever smoke and mirrors tactic by the establishment, to try to get people to allege that he was involved in abusing children, when no such thing according to my sources occurred........in order to discredit people alleging child abuse about other VIP individuals.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    The next Tory leader wont be a Remainer, that's the only sure thing.

    If it is Remain I would not rule that out
    I think most of us simply do not have a clue who the next leader will be. I cannot see Osborne or Boris making PM and it is another reason why I believe David Cameron will continue post the referendum, irrespective of the result, to bring together a unifying new cabinet and from which, someone in 2018/2019 will emerge, probably female, to succeed. I also think if leave win DC would appoint Gove to lead the exit team
    In power historically the Tories pick the Chancellor or Foreign Secretary, of course we could have a new one of those
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @lucycthomas: Stephen Hawking & 150 scientists say leaving EU cld be "disaster for science" #StrongerIn #tomorrowspaperstoday https://t.co/F8T9mQfQB2
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Gove was behind this, then my previously unlimited admiration for him will be at an end

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/707688322337009664

    I hope he is not behind it.
    However some days ago I did point out that it was all very well stepping into the limelight as a leadership contender, but then your judgement is put into sharp relief and you run the risk of ruining your chances. A number of people are now wading forward saying look at me look at me. They need to start worrying just what people might think.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited March 2016
    Roger said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Roger said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Was there a political biography that mentioned the Queen's concern about the shift of some sovereignty to the EU? I have some recollection but cannot remember the context.

    What's that photo of the smiling lady?
    Where do all those flocking immigrants come from?
    Gillian Duffy, northern working class that are turning their back on Labour. Representative of the people that will probably decide the referendum.
    I thought I'd seen her before!
    Brown's nightmare. But her concerns have not been addressed by Labour, which is why I think we may see a form of "voter strike" from a chunk of Labour voters at this referendum. They are not going to vote for more immigration with REMAIN.
    PS I am a person that in overall terms, probably benefits from immigration.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
    I do think the Sun have made an error by trying to compromise HMQ and the complaint to the press watchdog was inevitable. Furthermore there are moves to report Michael Gove to Jeremy Heywood for investigation into his role as the allegation of HMQ being pro Brexit came out of a Privy Council Meeting. This could be quite serious for Michael Gove if the investigations into the leaks were able to prove he was involved in some way, and it does seem there is only a small field of attendants
    I am afraid that after his recent behaviour Heywood has zero credibility now as an honest broker in anything to do with the referendum. He is the one who should be facing an inquiry and losing his job for the blatant politicisation of his position.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    flightpath01 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The use of meldonium by “lots of” tennis players was one of the reasons it was outlawed before Maria Sharapova was caught taking it, former World Anti-Doping Agency president Dick Pound claimed on Tuesday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/09/maria-sharapova-meldonium-used-by-lots-of-tennis-players/

    Sounds like a lot of elite tennis players appear to have dodgy tickers and /or diabetics.

    Another sport that is a total sham.
    I have posted here before what a joke Tennis drug testing has been for years. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There have been long standing rumours about some other very well known players who have taken strange periods of absence.
    I always found it strange how some sports eg cycling and athletics got tainted with drug taking, whilst other sports like tennis, football and rugby had on the surface a pretty squeaky clean reputation. Well no longer. I find it astonishing that nobody in Sharapova's entourage realised that the banned list changed at the start of the year.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,080
    This LBJ campaign advert is going viral. The last part could almost be rerun verbatim as an ad for HRC this year versus Trump. (The nuclear war part is more applicable to Cruz.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiG0AE8zdTU
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,323
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
    I do think the Sun have made an error by trying to compromise HMQ and the complaint to the press watchdog was inevitable. Furthermore there are moves to report Michael Gove to Jeremy Heywood for investigation into his role as the allegation of HMQ being pro Brexit came out of a Privy Council Meeting. This could be quite serious for Michael Gove if the investigations into the leaks were able to prove he was involved in some way, and it does seem there is only a small field of attendants
    I am afraid that after his recent behaviour Heywood has zero credibility now as an honest broker in anything to do with the referendum. He is the one who should be facing an inquiry and losing his job for the blatant politicisation of his position.
    You have a point but the allegation of breach of confidence at a Privy Council meeting, if proved, would be very serious
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    Have you missed her complaint to the press complaints watchdog?
    It just added publicity. The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.
    I do think the Sun have made an error by trying to compromise HMQ and the complaint to the press watchdog was inevitable. Furthermore there are moves to report Michael Gove to Jeremy Heywood for investigation into his role as the allegation of HMQ being pro Brexit came out of a Privy Council Meeting. This could be quite serious for Michael Gove if the investigations into the leaks were able to prove he was involved in some way, and it does seem there is only a small field of attendants
    I am afraid that after his recent behaviour Heywood has zero credibility now as an honest broker in anything to do with the referendum. He is the one who should be facing an inquiry and losing his job for the blatant politicisation of his position.
    Totally agreed, and after Heywood's behaviour in frustrating the Chilcot inquiry finally reporting as well, then the sooner he is gone the better as far as I'm concerned.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016
    hunchman said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    flightpath01 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The use of meldonium by “lots of” tennis players was one of the reasons it was outlawed before Maria Sharapova was caught taking it, former World Anti-Doping Agency president Dick Pound claimed on Tuesday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/09/maria-sharapova-meldonium-used-by-lots-of-tennis-players/

    Sounds like a lot of elite tennis players appear to have dodgy tickers and /or diabetics.

    Another sport that is a total sham.
    I have posted here before what a joke Tennis drug testing has been for years. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There have been long standing rumours about some other very well known players who have taken strange periods of absence.
    I always found it strange how some sports eg cycling and athletics got tainted with drug taking, whilst other sports like tennis, football and rugby had on the surface a pretty squeaky clean reputation. Well no longer. I find it astonishing that nobody in Sharapova's entourage realised that the banned list changed at the start of the year.
    Rugby is not squeaky clean. A huge percentage of failed drugs tests in the UK are from rugby players.

    Rugby union recorded a higher percentage of positive test results than either cycling or athletics in 2013.

    http://en.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/story/233993.html

    And the Irish journo who chased Armstrong for years is convinced it is a massive scandal waiting to happen.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    flightpath01 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Gove was behind this, then my previously unlimited admiration for him will be at an end

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/707688322337009664

    I hope he is not behind it.
    However some days ago I did point out that it was all very well stepping into the limelight as a leadership contender, but then your judgement is put into sharp relief and you run the risk of ruining your chances. A number of people are now wading forward saying look at me look at me. They need to start worrying just what people might think.
    Classic move to smear the Leader of the other side. A move by Cameron/Osborne's "damien mcbrides"
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Scott_P said:

    @lucycthomas: Stephen Hawking & 150 scientists say leaving EU cld be "disaster for science" #StrongerIn #tomorrowspaperstoday https://t.co/F8T9mQfQB2

    In this End of Days are we threatened with a Black Hole due to LEAVE?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964
    flightpath01 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
    When you are on a sinking ship you don't argue about which lifeboat to take.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,323
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    The next Tory leader wont be a Remainer, that's the only sure thing.

    If it is Remain I would not rule that out
    I think most of us simply do not have a clue who the next leader will be. I cannot see Osborne or Boris making PM and it is another reason why I believe David Cameron will continue post the referendum, irrespective of the result, to bring together a unifying new cabinet and from which, someone in 2018/2019 will emerge, probably female, to succeed. I also think if leave win DC would appoint Gove to lead the exit team
    In power historically the Tories pick the Chancellor or Foreign Secretary, of course we could have a new one of those
    In my opinion both Offices will change , even this year, and by 2018/19 one of the successors or indeed someone who shines through who is at present unknown will lead the party into GE 2020
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    viewcode said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    The Queen has not denied that she backs Brexit.

    Neither has she denied that she backs REMAIN... :)

    I assume the story is true, in broad if not in detail. However, to jump from the event (HMQ has a pop at the EU) to the headline (HMQ backs Brexit) is unjustified by the evidence, and I assume this is the essence of the Palace complaint.

    Incidentally, this is the first famous person where the headline wasn't "Eurosceptic accuses X of scaremongering..." ;)
    Cameron used the Queen for indyref and excuse me if I smile at the reverse happening. Even though I think it wrong to involve her but I do wonder what she really feels about the extent of our soverignty that has been given away since the 1970s.
    Or how much of *her* sovereignty has been given away since 1688 :)
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    flightpath01 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
    If it is untrue then these is no privy council breach....
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    flightpath01 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Gove was behind this, then my previously unlimited admiration for him will be at an end

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/707688322337009664

    I hope he is not behind it.
    However some days ago I did point out that it was all very well stepping into the limelight as a leadership contender, but then your judgement is put into sharp relief and you run the risk of ruining your chances. A number of people are now wading forward saying look at me look at me. They need to start worrying just what people might think.
    Classic move to smear the Leader of the other side. A move by Cameron/Osborne's "damien mcbrides"
    It is, isn't it?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,323
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    flightpath01 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Gove was behind this, then my previously unlimited admiration for him will be at an end

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/707688322337009664

    I hope he is not behind it.
    However some days ago I did point out that it was all very well stepping into the limelight as a leadership contender, but then your judgement is put into sharp relief and you run the risk of ruining your chances. A number of people are now wading forward saying look at me look at me. They need to start worrying just what people might think.
    Classic move to smear the Leader of the other side. A move by Cameron/Osborne's "damien mcbrides"
    Or maybe self inflicted but we will have to see how this evolves
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    FrancisUrquhart said:


    Rugby is not squeaky clean.

    Neither is football. There's been rampant doping in Spanish football over the last decade, and the Italian league before that.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Stephen Hawking & 150 scientists say leaving EU cld be "disaster for science"

    Yes, the day after Brexit, we will return to the medieval age with the population mired in superstition and ignorance and witch trials every week.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    flightpath01 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
    If it is untrue then these is no privy council breach....
    If it's untrue then somebody lied about a privy council conversation. Decide how to be clever about that at your leisure.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Speedy said:

    Marco Rubio, in true Mitt Romney form, does a rally in an empty stadium in Florida:

    https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/707684148316610560

    His end is near, could be 6 days max.

    Brilliant! And the news gets even better for Rubio:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-09/point-its-over-establishments-last-hope-fades-trump-leads-rubio-23-points-florida
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited March 2016
    Andrew said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:


    Rugby is not squeaky clean.

    Neither is football. There's been rampant doping in Spanish football over the last decade, and the Italian league before that.
    I don't believe there is doping in Italian football...there is no need, with all the match fixing that has been going on nobody needs to actually be trying ;-)

    But yes, I fail to believe that football is immune to doping. Well it isn't, was it Tunsia? (it was a North African country) where there is good evidence that there is widespread doping among players.

    But at the highest level, it seems incredible that given the rigours of the game e.g. how far a modern midfielder runs in a game now, that juicing wouldn't be an attractive option.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    runnymede said:

    Stephen Hawking & 150 scientists say leaving EU cld be "disaster for science"

    Yes, the day after Brexit, we will return to the medieval age with the population mired in superstition and ignorance and witch trials every week.

    No, but it makes it more likely the next great scientific innovations and discoveries will happen outside the UK.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013
    Funny how at GE 2015 the Cameron tactics were noble and necessary, justified by the horror of Ed Miliband, he was a hero saving his country
    Now the Cameron tactics are evil and wrong, they make him an evil Damien McBride lover, using unjustifiable tactics to betray his country

    Nothing's changed, just "they don't like it up em"
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    LewisDuckworthLewisDuckworth Posts: 379
    flightpath01 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
    Well, if Clegg says that it's untrue, then that's fine ... (although, in the context of top LibDEM politicos in-receipt-of-an-EU-pension) I did previously feel rather let down by Chris Huhne
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
    When you are on a sinking ship you don't argue about which lifeboat to take.
    You sound like the crew of the Marie Celeste. What happened to them?
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    O/T Tory MEPs conspire to remove AfD party from EU group?
    http://www.dw.com/en/afd-rails-against-expulsion-from-camerons-european-alliance/a-19104800
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    hunchman said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    flightpath01 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The use of meldonium by “lots of” tennis players was one of the reasons it was outlawed before Maria Sharapova was caught taking it, former World Anti-Doping Agency president Dick Pound claimed on Tuesday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/09/maria-sharapova-meldonium-used-by-lots-of-tennis-players/

    Sounds like a lot of elite tennis players appear to have dodgy tickers and /or diabetics.

    Another sport that is a total sham.
    I have posted here before what a joke Tennis drug testing has been for years. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There have been long standing rumours about some other very well known players who have taken strange periods of absence.
    I always found it strange how some sports eg cycling and athletics got tainted with drug taking, whilst other sports like tennis, football and rugby had on the surface a pretty squeaky clean reputation. Well no longer. I find it astonishing that nobody in Sharapova's entourage realised that the banned list changed at the start of the year.
    Rugby is not squeaky clean. A huge percentage of failed drugs tests in the UK are from rugby players.

    Rugby union recorded a higher percentage of positive test results than either cycling or athletics in 2013.

    http://en.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/story/233993.html

    And the Irish journo who chased Armstrong for years is convinced it is a massive scandal waiting to happen.
    Hence the reason for me saying 'on the surface' I agree its an enormous scandal waiting to break, like a few other things I could mention like 788 790 Finchley Road.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964
    not_on_fire said:

    runnymede said:

    Stephen Hawking & 150 scientists say leaving EU cld be "disaster for science"

    Yes, the day after Brexit, we will return to the medieval age with the population mired in superstition and ignorance and witch trials every week.

    No, but it makes it more likely the next great scientific innovations and discoveries will happen outside the UK.
    Why?

    Are the 27 other EU countries the whole scientific world?
    Do we not attract scientists from outside the EU?
    Given that all the scientific co-operation projects that we are currently involved with in the EU are also open to non-EU countries why should we singularly be excluded if we leave?
    Given that the extra £2.4 billion the scientists refer to as coming from the EU is just our own money given back to us why should it make any difference?

    You see this is why these scare stories need to be scorned rather than repeated by supposedly intelligent people. As soon as you start asking the simplest of questions they fall apart.
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    LewisDuckworthLewisDuckworth Posts: 379
    not_on_fire said:

    runnymede said:

    Stephen Hawking & 150 scientists say leaving EU cld be "disaster for science"

    Yes, the day after Brexit, we will return to the medieval age with the population mired in superstition and ignorance and witch trials every week.

    No, but it makes it more likely the next great scientific innovations and discoveries will happen outside the UK.
    Well, we didn't do too badly before joining the EU, did we!
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Is there a tinfoil shortage does anybody know?
    There seems to be a lot being used by members of this site these days.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    edited March 2016
    runnymede said:

    Stephen Hawking & 150 scientists say leaving EU cld be "disaster for science"

    Yes, the day after Brexit, we will return to the medieval age with the population mired in superstition and ignorance and witch trials every week.

    So there was no scientific innovation in Britain before the EU came along?! Just another plainly ridiculous project fear smear. The defeatist attitude of saying that as a country we're not good enough to do anything without the EU is so negative and patronising to the good folk of this country.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    The next Tory leader wont be a Remainer, that's the only sure thing.

    If it is Remain I would not rule that out
    I think most of us simply do not have a clue who the next leader will be. I cannot see Osborne or Boris making PM and it is another reason why I believe David Cameron will continue post the referendum, irrespective of the result, to bring together a unifying new cabinet and from which, someone in 2018/2019 will emerge, probably female, to succeed. I also think if leave win DC would appoint Gove to lead the exit team
    In power historically the Tories pick the Chancellor or Foreign Secretary, of course we could have a new one of those
    For post referendum, if Remain wins, I suggest Boris as Europe Minister. Cat among pigeons.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,826
    Cameron and Osborne humiliated!

    How good is it to hear that....
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'No, but it makes it more likely the next great scientific innovations and discoveries will happen outside the UK.'

    Oh rubbish. If we wanted to we could increase science funding after Brexit and we can offer whatever inducements we want to talented scientists from abroad to come here.

    This letter is just partisan arm-waving.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    flightpath01 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
    Nick Clegg ‏@nick_clegg Mar 8
    Re Sun story. As I told the journalist this is nonsense. I've no recollection of this happening & its not the sort of thing I would forget

    Yep,clegg's reply was a firm it never happened - lol
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    We've been through the diminishing of civil liberties road before in history........

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/americas-economic-history/rights-privileges-immunities-always-vanish-in-the-shadow-of-government/
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I hope folks on here took time to mark the passing of Beatles record producer Sir George Martin.

    Love Me Do came out when I was 11, and having just started my career in London, when Abbey Road came out I rushed up to the road crossing on the album cover the day of its release. I was not alone!

    Soundtrack of my teenage years.

    I still have all the vinyl albums.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    edited March 2016
    The GOP deserves everything it's getting this electoral cycle after the appalling way it treated Ron Paul back in 2012:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1_hV4NhyKs
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,964
    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
    When you are on a sinking ship you don't argue about which lifeboat to take.
    You sound like the crew of the Marie Celeste. What happened to them?
    Whereas you are still listening to the captain of the Titanic.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,826
    edited March 2016
    Tykejohnno said:

    flightpath01 said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is this Queen Brexit story a "dead cat on the table" story? It is drawing attention from more voters each hour and there is no denial from the Queen....

    The Palace complaint to the Press Complaints Commission refers to the story as spurious. Sounds like a denial to me.

    Clegg (leaving aside all the ho hums) has said it is untrue.
    It seems to me the table is littered with Leave's dead cats at the moment.
    They cannot tell us where they want to leave to.
    Nick Clegg ‏@nick_clegg Mar 8
    Re Sun story. As I told the journalist this is nonsense. I've no recollection of this happening & its not the sort of thing I would forget

    Yep,clegg's reply was a firm it never happened - lol
    Clegg having "no recollection" of this event is a bit like me "having no plans" to vote to kick Cameron and Osbornes asses out of Downing St... ;)
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