@IanDunt: Cameron doing well. Corbyn avoiding content of the argument, not thinking on his feet. Arguably doesn't know the research case well enough.
@DPJHodges: Jeremy Corbyn now getting slaughtered on the NHS. You couldn't make it up.
Disagree - he is sticking to the NHS. And, with that cheap jibe from Dave, maintaining the high ground.
But I am no political wonk so what do I know?
Personally I do not hold it against politicians for making the occasional cruel jibe at one another - it is part and parcel of adversarial politics, and much worse is often implied by both sides about their opponents, and often in much more condescending a fashion.
I don't think it really hurts the person making it unless it becomes too frequent and excessive, but neither do I think that someone pretending to rise above it gets credit either - because people understand that they will undoubtedly have said similar themselves at some point. Corbyn, who everyone agrees is generally a very polite man, has never made crass or cruel jibes about another politician? Like hell he hasn't.
Cameron is pretty decent at delivering a mean put down, but I cannot say commenting on personal appearence would be one of his better ones - people have mocked Corbybn for all those things, but you criticise it more effectively by being in contrast to it I feel. Even agreeing with the point that one does seem even more irrelevant than most political gags.
But a cruel gag crossing the line is a very minimal thing, and suggestions of it undermining Cameron even if the gag was not a good one, are going too far in the opposite direction from those chortling at its hilarity.
People think some people look and sound like PMs, and those people can get away with saying very un-PM like things; there isn't a set of topics or terminology that one cannot use without undermining one's position, it is unique to the person.
I've met a few PBers who are applauding his comments and am amazed they would side with someone who would attack on the grounds of looks and dress sense
I think most of us would lose our rags if our mothers were brought into debates to attack us.
Was it Corbyn who brought his mother into it?
No he didn't. I didn't say that it was fair and I agree that it was way beneath the Prime Minister.
But context is everything.
Yes he did refer to DC's Mother. It was Corbyn who introduced it
I'll have an even £50 that it wasn't Corbyn
While this is a betting site I do not bet so your money is safe
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Doubts about Trump being POTUS ?
I genuinely don't know. @JackW and Rod Crosby are on different sides of the argument here.
Turnout massively up for the GOP, down for the Democrats is the only straw in the wind I can see so far and it bodes well for Trump.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
The GOP want to be in power, Trump can win the election. The 'establishment', whatever that means as I believe Nelson Rockefeller died a long time ago, will rally behind Trump. If you look closely you will see the likes of Bob Dole, Rudy Giuliani, Orrin Hatch, Trent Lott etc. already making supportive noises.
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I've met a few PBers who are applauding his comments and am amazed they would side with someone who would attack on the grounds of looks and dress sense
I think most of us would lose our rags if our mothers were brought into debates to attack us.
Was it Corbyn who brought his mother into it?
No he didn't. I didn't say that it was fair and I agree that it was way beneath the Prime Minister.
But context is everything.
Yes he did refer to DC's Mother. It was Corbyn who introduced it
I'll have an even £50 that it wasn't Corbyn
While this is a betting site I do not bet so your money is safe
Fair enough.. Sounded like he responded to a female heckler to me
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
Fair point.
I would say Clinton is the favourite actually but I think Trump has a legitimate chance.
I've met a few PBers who are applauding his comments and am amazed they would side with someone who would attack on the grounds of looks and dress sense
Just about sums the spiv up , typical rich bully boy.
Jeremy Corbyn “If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes & shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas & shoddy philosophies" Einstein #pmqs
JackW- I can't recall you ever being wrong in terms of your predictions/forecasting/judgement. So, on that note, Trump will never be POTUS and I will bet accordingly.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
Jeremy Corbyn “If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes & shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas & shoddy philosophies" Einstein #pmqs
No, a good riposte to childish attempted bullying.
Paul Waugh No10 spksman admits Generals For EU letter was organised by Downing St. And reveals "mistake was made" in naming Gen Sir Michael Rose. Uh-oh
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
The GOP want to be in power, Trump can win the election. The 'establishment', whatever that means as I believe Nelson Rockefeller died a long time ago, will rally behind Trump. If you look closely you will see the likes of Bob Dole, Rudy Giuliani, Orrin Hatch, Trent Lott etc. already making supportive noises.
Of course the GOP want to be in power and the "establishment" (virtually all non Trumpistas) will rally behind Trump, just as the Labour establishment will behind Jezza in 2020 should he make it that far and much good it will do them.
Trump is the ultimate Marmite politician and has a ceiling that he cannot break in November. This together with the ongoing demographic trends in swing states will be more than enough for Clinton to comfortably see off Trump.with the real possibility of a Clinton landslide in the Electoral College.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
The only thing that can stop him is a bullet, and even then I'd bet on the Donald duck...
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
They assumed he would crash and burn against Jeb Bush...
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
Laura K on Daily Politics makes a point that highlighted the flaw in Richard Nabavis constant demand for UKUP inclined voters to back Cameron pre GE
A Conservative PM w a majority, standing outside No 10 (perhaps in a made to measure suit by my friend who has a tailors in Jermyn St) with all the trappings of power, is a very hard front man to beat in a referendum when he is campaigning so vigorously for the status quo
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
And they should know. After all their candidate, Romney, did so well last time.
Apart from one question from Owen Patterson at the end of PMQ's the referendum did not come up. Rather surprising but is everyone trying to keep the debate civilised
Trump is the ultimate Marmite politician and has a ceiling that he cannot break in November. This together with the ongoing demographic trends in swing states will be more than enough for Clinton to comfortably see off Trump.with the real possibility of a Clinton landslide in the Electoral College.
Trump reaches places that the GOP couldn't dream of reaching before.
That's like saying Osama Bin Laden had fashionable footwear. Corbyn's fate is irreversibly set to end in doom, abject failure and recrimination. The die has been cast, the path is taken, and there is nothing he can now do to change it.
And he is entirely oblivious as he spends absolutely no time in the company of anyone who has not shared his beliefs for the last 30 years. Luckily for Jezza and his mates, the Labour party membership is as shielded from the consequences of Tory housing, NHS and welfare reforms, not to mention cuts in essential services, as he is, so not being elected into office is not a huge problem. It's the self-righteous, futile anger that is so gloriously enjoyable.
I don't quite get that. The membership may well be deluded about the electability of their preferred policy prospectus but I don't see it as a luxury arising from being shielded from the current government's policies. I am fairly sure I'm the only member of my local constituency party with private healthcare for example.
Labour is now firmly a middle class party. The richer you are, the more shielded from the negative effects of government policy you are. You get to have your cake and eat it too.
I guess I am still seeking to understand why Labour members are so happy with a leader who will lead them to heavy electoral defeat. What is your explanation?
JackW- I can't recall you ever being wrong in terms of your predictions/forecasting/judgement. So, on that note, Trump will never be POTUS and I will bet accordingly.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
It still rankles with me that I called Missouri in 08 and Florida in 12 wrong albeit because the GOP couldn't gerrymander a piss up in a brewery in both states !! ....
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
They assumed he would crash and burn against Jeb Bush...
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
It'll be the other way around. The Clintons are dogs with a thousand fleas. As we speak, a parade of Bill's 'encounters' are being lined up. Then there's the emails. And we haven;t even started on financing.
Apart from one question from Owen Patterson at the end of PMQ's the referendum did not come up. Rather surprising but is everyone trying to keep the debate civilised
JohnO and I discussed this on Saturday.
There's a feeling amongst Tories, even the most dedicated Leavers that we're not going to make the mistakes of 1992 and 1997, and we're not going to let Corbyn become PM on our watch.
Apart from one question from Owen Patterson at the end of PMQ's the referendum did not come up. Rather surprising but is everyone trying to keep the debate civilised
or leave have realised it's daft to attack the PM on his own ground
That's like saying Osama Bin Laden had fashionable footwear. Corbyn's fate is irreversibly set to end in doom, abject failure and recrimination. The die has been cast, the path is taken, and there is nothing he can now do to change it.
And he is entirely oblivious as he spends absolutely no time in the company of anyone who has not shared his beliefs for the last 30 years. Luckily for Jezza and his mates, the Labour party membership is as shielded from the consequences of Tory housing, NHS and welfare reforms, not to mention cuts in essential services, as he is, so not being elected into office is not a huge problem. It's the self-righteous, futile anger that is so gloriously enjoyable.
I don't quite get that. The membership may well be deluded about the electability of their preferred policy prospectus but I don't see it as a luxury arising from being shielded from the current government's policies. I am fairly sure I'm the only member of my local constituency party with private healthcare for example.
Labour is now firmly a middle class party. The richer you are, the more shielded from the negative effects of government policy you are. You get to have your cake and eat it too.
I guess I am still seeking to understand why Labour members are so happy with a leader who will lead them to heavy electoral defeat. What is your explanation?
Apart from one question from Owen Patterson at the end of PMQ's the referendum did not come up. Rather surprising but is everyone trying to keep the debate civilised
Probably unintentionally, or says more about me, but that reads to me like you are saying the only way to keep the debate civilised is not to have it.
Dismissing Hillary dir to her having problems with Sanders is a mistake. The primaries are fought on the wings, the general election is fought in the centre.
Jeremy Corbyn “If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes & shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas & shoddy philosophies" Einstein #pmqs
No, a good riposte to childish attempted bullying.
I'm not sure a PM can be said to be bullying the LotO, it's a fair fight, surely. And Jez wants to be PM himself, being well turned out is a prerequisite for the job. He can hardly turn up to Bilderberg or G8 looking like something the cat dragged in. Besides, he's paid quite well, it's not as if he can't afford to dress well. I'd accept something smart casual if he wants, but the Marxist lecturer look is not really appropriate.
That's like saying Osama Bin Laden had fashionable footwear. Corbyn's fate is irreversibly set to end in doom, abject failure and recrimination. The die has been cast, the path is taken, and there is nothing he can now do to change it.
And he is entirely oblivious as he spends absolutely no time in the company of anyone who has not shared his beliefs for the last 30 years. Luckily for Jezza and his mates, the Labour party membership is as shielded from the consequences of Tory housing, NHS and welfare reforms, not to mention cuts in essential services, as he is, so not being elected into office is not a huge problem. It's the self-righteous, futile anger that is so gloriously enjoyable.
I don't quite get that. The membership may well be deluded about the electability of their preferred policy prospectus but I don't see it as a luxury arising from being shielded from the current government's policies. I am fairly sure I'm the only member of my local constituency party with private healthcare for example.
Labour is now firmly a middle class party. The richer you are, the more shielded from the negative effects of government policy you are. You get to have your cake and eat it too.
I guess I am still seeking to understand why Labour members are so happy with a leader who will lead them to heavy electoral defeat. What is your explanation?
So are we saying that campaigning for Corbyn is now the ultimate virtue signal?
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
They assumed he would crash and burn against Jeb Bush...
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
And they should know. After all their candidate, Romney, did so well last time.
Trump is the ultimate Marmite politician and has a ceiling that he cannot break in November. This together with the ongoing demographic trends in swing states will be more than enough for Clinton to comfortably see off Trump.with the real possibility of a Clinton landslide in the Electoral College.
Trump reaches places that the GOP couldn't dream of reaching before.
Just back from a dinner in West Hollywood: shocked the majority of the table was voting for Trump but they would never admit it publicly.
I don't underestimate the insurgency of Trump in the GOP. He has taken all other candidates to the cleaners. However like Farage there is a whole world of difference between being an alternative flavour of the month and being the main course at the banquet.
If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes and shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas and shoddy philosophies.... It would be a sad situation if the wrapper were better than the meat wrapped inside it. - Einstein
Apart from one question from Owen Patterson at the end of PMQ's the referendum did not come up. Rather surprising but is everyone trying to keep the debate civilised
Probably unintentionally, or says more about me, but that reads to me like you are saying the only way to keep the debate civilised is not to have it.
From OP: The only way that Trump can be stopped is if there’s one anti-Trump candidate ideally Rubio.
In no-one's ideal world is Rubio the candidate. Even in this world, I suspect a lot of the GOP Establishment will prefer Trump as figurehead while the grown-ups get on with running the country.
Now, the point is not that Trump can be bought off; of course he can't, but remember a new President brings his whole retinue as Cabinet members, ambassadors, civil servants and so on. Cruz or Rubio would bring their teams from Texas or Florida. The beauty of Trump, from this perspective, is that he has no candidate in mind for Secretary of Housing or Ambassador to Berlin, so can easily be persuaded to rubber stamp the Establishment candidates.
Trump will pick his own people. He has already drafted Jeff Sessions' team to write his immigration policy. He is talking to the right people on foreign policy and ignoring the phoney neocon think tank fronts (follow the money).
Personally I don't see Sessions being his VP, more valuable in the Senate. I would throw out Kris Kobach as a possible. Seen Scott Brown and Rick Scott touted. Reality is I have no clue, but I hope he remembers the Nixonian principle that the VP not be an incentive to any would be plotters against their President.
Trump's VP choice is going to be very interesting, and something that we should start looking at seriously. If he wants a woman to at least slightly negate Hilary then who are we looking at - Sarah Palin?, Susana Martinez?, Presumably Condi Rice wouldn't be interested.
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I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
Going to have to disagree with you Jack. People, including me, have been wrong about him crashing and burning time and again. Clinton is barely beating Sanders and Trump is a far more formidable opponent and debater than him. Clinton will try and get on on the back of liberals, black people, Hispanics and single women. Obama had a similar coalition to beat Romney. The problem is that liberals are disgusted with the way she has been treating Sanders, turnout among black people will be well down, Trump will do a lot better than expected among Hispanics leaving her with single women and feminists as her core constituency. It isn't going to be enough.
This thread was mentioned at a recent Fabians event, asking how come some bloke on a blog could see this disaster unfolding but no one in the Labour Party did.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
They assumed he would crash and burn against Jeb Bush...
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
And they should know. After all their candidate, Romney, did so well last time.
Trump is the ultimate Marmite politician and has a ceiling that he cannot break in November. This together with the ongoing demographic trends in swing states will be more than enough for Clinton to comfortably see off Trump.with the real possibility of a Clinton landslide in the Electoral College.
Trump reaches places that the GOP couldn't dream of reaching before.
Just back from a dinner in West Hollywood: shocked the majority of the table was voting for Trump but they would never admit it publicly.
I don't underestimate the insurgency of Trump in the GOP. He has taken all other candidates to the cleaners. However like Farage there is a whole world of difference between being an alternative flavour of the month and being the main course at the banquet.
Thought experiment: who would have won a GE (England & Wales only) between Farage & Miliband, with no other parties to vote for?
Jeremy Corbyn “If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes & shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas & shoddy philosophies" Einstein #pmqs
No, a good riposte to childish attempted bullying.
I'm not sure a PM can be said to be bullying the LotO, it's a fair fight, surely. And Jez wants to be PM himself, being well turned out is a prerequisite for the job. He can hardly turn up to Bilderberg or G8 looking like something the cat dragged in. Besides, he's paid quite well, it's not as if he can't afford to dress well. I'd accept something smart casual if he wants, but the Marxist lecturer look is not really appropriate.
And as an Old Novaportan he should know how he should be turned out.
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Apart from one question from Owen Patterson at the end of PMQ's the referendum did not come up. Rather surprising but is everyone trying to keep the debate civilised
Probably unintentionally, or says more about me, but that reads to me like you are saying the only way to keep the debate civilised is not to have it.
If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes and shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas and shoddy philosophies.... It would be a sad situation if the wrapper were better than the meat wrapped inside it. - Einstein
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
They assumed he would crash and burn against Jeb Bush...
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
Trump doesn't play by the rules. He'll just steamroller Clinton, as an elephant might dismiss a gnat.
The people love him already, and think a Trump presidency is going to change their lives, or is at least going to make them feel better about themselves and the USA, and more secure.
They are fed up with professional politicians, who've never done anything with their lives but scheme for office. Trump is a billionaire, but has the common touch. He wants nothing, needs nothing, and owes nothing to anyone. He calls a spade a spade.
Swathes of people who have given up on politics will flock to the polls for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity - to give two fingers to the Establishment.
The bien pensants are heading for the biggest banquet of crow since 1948...
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Tories are really struggling
They have no chance, plus the desperation for SNPBAD is making it even more unlikely.
It was noticeable how Cameron emphasised PATIENTS in his responses.
Clear demarcation between vested interest vs patients.
Patients have a vested interest in doctors being satisfied in their jobs.\
Because if they are not paid enough they'll do a bad job?
Or there won't be enough of them.
You Save the NHS ... I'm off to Australia.
Fine if they want to do that - provided they pay back the investment in their education and training
I thought you would understand market forces.
Clearly not
I do. But I object to someone getting their education paid for and then demanding market rates as well.
Either you pay for your tuition yourself - and can charge market rates, or you get a subsidy on the training but accept you will have lower wages for a period of time.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
They assumed he would crash and burn against Jeb Bush...
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
And they should know. After all their candidate, Romney, did so well last time.
Trump is the ultimate Marmite politician and has a ceiling that he cannot break in November. This together with the ongoing demographic trends in swing states will be more than enough for Clinton to comfortably see off Trump.with the real possibility of a Clinton landslide in the Electoral College.
Trump reaches places that the GOP couldn't dream of reaching before.
Just back from a dinner in West Hollywood: shocked the majority of the table was voting for Trump but they would never admit it publicly.
I don't underestimate the insurgency of Trump in the GOP. He has taken all other candidates to the cleaners. However like Farage there is a whole world of difference between being an alternative flavour of the month and being the main course at the banquet.
As ever, your points are noted. I suppose it in the end boils down to how strong one feels the 'anti-establishment' movement is. In a way, that's the answer to the referendum question too.
From OP: The only way that Trump can be stopped is if there’s one anti-Trump candidate ideally Rubio.
In no-one's ideal world is Rubio the candidate. Even in this world, I suspect a lot of the GOP Establishment will prefer Trump as figurehead while the grown-ups get on with running the country.
Now, the point is not that Trump can be bought off; of course he can't, but remember a new President brings his whole retinue as Cabinet members, ambassadors, civil servants and so on. Cruz or Rubio would bring their teams from Texas or Florida. The beauty of Trump, from this perspective, is that he has no candidate in mind for Secretary of Housing or Ambassador to Berlin, so can easily be persuaded to rubber stamp the Establishment candidates.
Trump will pick his own people. He has already drafted Jeff Sessions' team to write his immigration policy. He is talking to the right people on foreign policy and ignoring the phoney neocon think tank fronts (follow the money).
Personally I don't see Sessions being his VP, more valuable in the Senate. I would throw out Kris Kobach as a possible. Seen Scott Brown and Rick Scott touted. Reality is I have no clue, but I hope he remembers the Nixonian principle that the VP not be an incentive to any would be plotters against their President.
Trump's VP choice is going to be very interesting, and something that we should start looking at seriously. If he wants a woman to at least slightly negate Hilary then who are we looking at - Sarah Palin?, Susana Martinez?, Presumably Condi Rice wouldn't be interested.
Rubio is probably being pencilled in at the moment.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
Yes I agree. Snot gonna happen. It's perhaps a strange thing to say, but I feel that there would be a possibility that "President Trump" would be better than was GW Bush, who was the biggest US disaster, I think, in my rather long life..
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
They assumed he would crash and burn against Jeb Bush...
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
Trump doesn't play by the rules. He'll just steamroller Clinton, as an elephant might dismiss a gnat.
The people love him already, and think a Trump presidency is going to change their lives, or is at least going to make them feel better about themselves and the USA, and more secure.
They are fed up with professional politicians, who've never done anything with their lives but scheme for office. Trump is a billionaire, but has the common touch. He wants nothing, needs nothing, and owes nothing to anyone. He calls a spade a spade.
Swathes of people who have given up on politics will flock to the polls for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity - to give two fingers to the Establishment.
The bien pensants are heading for the biggest banquet of crow since 1948...
You're straight up against the venerated JackW with that prediction!
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
Going to have to disagree with you Jack. People, including me, have been wrong about him crashing and burning time and again. Clinton is barely beating Sanders and Trump is a far more formidable opponent and debater than him. Clinton will try and get on on the back of liberals, black people, Hispanics and single women. Obama had a similar coalition to beat Romney. The problem is that liberals are disgusted with the way she has been treating Sanders, turnout among black people will be well down, Trump will do a lot better than expected among Hispanics leaving her with single women and feminists as her core constituency. It isn't going to be enough.
You may have been wrong about Trump- I wasn't.
Don't get hung up by the nomination. It's of limited relevance for the Dems - Remember how Clinton supporters in 08 told us that Obama couldn't unify the party after beating her. The problem for the GOP is more difficult as McCain and Romney had to tack to the right to secure the prize causing damage later on. Trump doesn't have this problem but plenty of others.
The Nomination Game and the General Election are two entirely different ball games.
From OP: The only way that Trump can be stopped is if there’s one anti-Trump candidate ideally Rubio.
In no-one's ideal world is Rubio the candidate. Even in this world, I suspect a lot of the GOP Establishment will prefer Trump as figurehead while the grown-ups get on with running the country.
Now, the point is not that Trump can be bought off; of course he can't, but remember a new President brings his whole retinue as Cabinet members, ambassadors, civil servants and so on. Cruz or Rubio would bring their teams from Texas or Florida. The beauty of Trump, from this perspective, is that he has no candidate in mind for Secretary of Housing or Ambassador to Berlin, so can easily be persuaded to rubber stamp the Establishment candidates.
Trump will pick his own people. He has already drafted Jeff Sessions' team to write his immigration policy. He is talking to the right people on foreign policy and ignoring the phoney neocon think tank fronts (follow the money).
Personally I don't see Sessions being his VP, more valuable in the Senate. I would throw out Kris Kobach as a possible. Seen Scott Brown and Rick Scott touted. Reality is I have no clue, but I hope he remembers the Nixonian principle that the VP not be an incentive to any would be plotters against their President.
Trump's VP choice is going to be very interesting, and something that we should start looking at seriously. If he wants a woman to at least slightly negate Hilary then who are we looking at - Sarah Palin?, Susana Martinez?, Presumably Condi Rice wouldn't be interested.
Rubio is probably being pencilled in at the moment.
I suspect Trump is smart enough not to negate his outsider appeal by picking someone safe as his running mate. He'll most likely double-down with someone of a similar pedigree but who won't take any of the limelight from him. Fiorina must still be in with a shout.
From OP: The only way that Trump can be stopped is if there’s one anti-Trump candidate ideally Rubio.
In no-one's ideal world is Rubio the candidate. Even in this world, I suspect a lot of the GOP Establishment will prefer Trump as figurehead while the grown-ups get on with running the country.
Now, the point is not that Trump can be bought off; of course he can't, but remember a new President brings his whole retinue as Cabinet members, ambassadors, civil servants and so on. Cruz or Rubio would bring their teams from Texas or Florida. The beauty of Trump, from this perspective, is that he has no candidate in mind for Secretary of Housing or Ambassador to Berlin, so can easily be persuaded to rubber stamp the Establishment candidates.
Trump will pick his own people. He has already drafted Jeff Sessions' team to write his immigration policy. He is talking to the right people on foreign policy and ignoring the phoney neocon think tank fronts (follow the money).
Personally I don't see Sessions being his VP, more valuable in the Senate. I would throw out Kris Kobach as a possible. Seen Scott Brown and Rick Scott touted. Reality is I have no clue, but I hope he remembers the Nixonian principle that the VP not be an incentive to any would be plotters against their President.
Trump's VP choice is going to be very interesting, and something that we should start looking at seriously. If he wants a woman to at least slightly negate Hilary then who are we looking at - Sarah Palin?, Susana Martinez?, Presumably Condi Rice wouldn't be interested.
Rubio is probably being pencilled in at the moment.
Hmm. Assuming Rubio would hope to take his chances again in 2020 given a probable (though not certain) Trump defeat, would he even agree?
Tangentially, I wonder whether 2020 is already Cruz's goal with respect to his strategy this time around.
From OP: The only way that Trump can be stopped is if there’s one anti-Trump candidate ideally Rubio.
In no-one's ideal world is Rubio the candidate. Even in this world, I suspect a lot of the GOP Establishment will prefer Trump as figurehead while the grown-ups get on with running the country.
Now, the point is not that Trump can be bought off; of course he can't, but remember a new President brings his whole retinue as Cabinet members, ambassadors, civil servants and so on. Cruz or Rubio would bring their teams from Texas or Florida. The beauty of Trump, from this perspective, is that he has no candidate in mind for Secretary of Housing or Ambassador to Berlin, so can easily be persuaded to rubber stamp the Establishment candidates.
Trump will pick his own people. He has already drafted Jeff Sessions' team to write his immigration policy. He is talking to the right people on foreign policy and ignoring the phoney neocon think tank fronts (follow the money).
Personally I don't see Sessions being his VP, more valuable in the Senate. I would throw out Kris Kobach as a possible. Seen Scott Brown and Rick Scott touted. Reality is I have no clue, but I hope he remembers the Nixonian principle that the VP not be an incentive to any would be plotters against their President.
Trump's VP choice is going to be very interesting, and something that we should start looking at seriously. If he wants a woman to at least slightly negate Hilary then who are we looking at - Sarah Palin?, Susana Martinez?, Presumably Condi Rice wouldn't be interested.
Rubio is probably being pencilled in at the moment.
I suspect Trump is smart enough not to negate his outsider appeal by picking someone safe as his running mate. He'll most likely double-down with someone of a similar pedigree but who won't take any of the limelight from him. Fiorina must still be in with a shout.
Yeah, he's already questioned Rubio's eligibility, and the qualifications for VPOTUS are the same as those for POTUS...
Harry Cole Why is an SNP MP under investigation by IPSA? Our story from Jan: https://t.co/1RSezuooE3 claimed £450 for a promotional video about himself
Tories are really struggling
Surprised that Kinnock Minor needs to *buy* a frother.
From OP: The only way that Trump can be stopped is if there’s one anti-Trump candidate ideally Rubio.
In no-one's ideal world is Rubio the candidate. Even in this world, I suspect a lot of the GOP Establishment will prefer Trump as figurehead while the grown-ups get on with running the country.
Now, the point is not that Trump can be bought off; of course he can't, but remember a new President brings his whole retinue as Cabinet members, ambassadors, civil servants and so on. Cruz or Rubio would bring their teams from Texas or Florida. The beauty of Trump, from this perspective, is that he has no candidate in mind for Secretary of Housing or Ambassador to Berlin, so can easily be persuaded to rubber stamp the Establishment candidates.
Trump will pick his own people. He has already drafted Jeff Sessions' team to write his immigration policy. He is talking to the right people on foreign policy and ignoring the phoney neocon think tank fronts (follow the money).
Personally I don't see Sessions being his VP, more valuable in the Senate. I would throw out Kris Kobach as a possible. Seen Scott Brown and Rick Scott touted. Reality is I have no clue, but I hope he remembers the Nixonian principle that the VP not be an incentive to any would be plotters against their President.
Trump's VP choice is going to be very interesting, and something that we should start looking at seriously. If he wants a woman to at least slightly negate Hilary then who are we looking at - Sarah Palin?, Susana Martinez?, Presumably Condi Rice wouldn't be interested.
Rubio is probably being pencilled in at the moment.
Pencilled in by who? Sure the GOP would like that, but as I understand it it's Trump's choice and I just don't see him playing by the rules and picking one of the other candidates. His whole schtick is doing things differently, why would his VP pick be any different?
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
They assumed he would crash and burn against Jeb Bush...
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
Trump doesn't play by the rules. He'll just steamroller Clinton, as an elephant might dismiss a gnat.
The people love him already, and think a Trump presidency is going to change their lives, or is at least going to make them feel better about themselves and the USA, and more secure.
They are fed up with professional politicians, who've never done anything with their lives but scheme for office. Trump is a billionaire, but has the common touch. He wants nothing, needs nothing, and owes nothing to anyone. He calls a spade a spade.
Swathes of people who have given up on politics will flock to the polls for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity - to give two fingers to the Establishment.
The bien pensants are heading for the biggest banquet of crow since 1948...
Time maybe for a nifty fifty on a Trump victory in Nov
Harry Cole Why is an SNP MP under investigation by IPSA? Our story from Jan: https://t.co/1RSezuooE3 claimed £450 for a promotional video about himself
Tories are really struggling
Surprised that Kinnock Minor needs to *buy* a frother.
Apart from one question from Owen Patterson at the end of PMQ's the referendum did not come up. Rather surprising but is everyone trying to keep the debate civilised
or leave have realised it's daft to attack the PM on his own ground
Quite - Mr Cameron can say what he wants, he won't get interrupted by Labour, the questioner has no right of reply and (most important), his comments will be replayed on the BBC ad nauseam.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
Yes I agree. Snot gonna happen. It's perhaps a strange thing to say, but I feel that there would be a possibility that "President Trump" would be better than was GW Bush, who was the biggest US disaster, I think, in my rather long life..
The funny thing about Bush is that aside from the disastrous neocon Middle East policy, he was far more centrist than people think. He certainly believed in big government (the idea that right wingers believe in a small state is misleading -- many do; others don't) and in foreign aid did a lot, along with Gordon Brown, for debt relief in the developing world.
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
Going to have to disagree with you Jack. People, including me, have been wrong about him crashing and burning time and again. Clinton is barely beating Sanders and Trump is a far more formidable opponent and debater than him. Clinton will try and get on on the back of liberals, black people, Hispanics and single women. Obama had a similar coalition to beat Romney. The problem is that liberals are disgusted with the way she has been treating Sanders, turnout among black people will be well down, Trump will do a lot better than expected among Hispanics leaving her with single women and feminists as her core constituency. It isn't going to be enough.
You may have been wrong about Trump- I wasn't.
Don't get hung up by the nomination. It's of limited relevance for the Dems - Remember how Clinton supporters in 08 told us that Obama couldn't unify the party after beating her. The problem for the GOP is more difficult as McCain and Romney had to tack to the right to secure the prize causing damage later on. Trump doesn't have this problem but plenty of others.
The Nomination Game and the General Election are two entirely different ball games.
Obama was the insurgent in 08. Trump is the insurgent in 16. Hillary was and is the establishment candidate in both cases. Look at the way Trump swatted away Hillary's claims that he is a misogynist, she was completely lost as to how to respond. He breaks all of the normal rules of engagement in the US. Hillary isn't going to know what hit her if she ends up as the nominee.
Anyway, her coalition isn't broad enough as I pointed out.
From OP: The only way that Trump can be stopped is if there’s one anti-Trump candidate ideally Rubio.
In no-one's ideal world is Rubio the candidate. Even in this world, I suspect a lot of the GOP Establishment will prefer Trump as figurehead while the grown-ups get on with running the country.
Now, the point is not that Trump can be bought off; of course he can't, but remember a new President brings his whole retinue as Cabinet members, ambassadors, civil servants and so on. Cruz or Rubio would bring their teams from Texas or Florida. The beauty of Trump, from this perspective, is that he has no candidate in mind for Secretary of Housing or Ambassador to Berlin, so can easily be persuaded to rubber stamp the Establishment candidates.
Trump will pick his own people. He has already drafted Jeff Sessions' team to write his immigration policy. He is talking to the right people on foreign policy and ignoring the phoney neocon think tank fronts (follow the money).
Personally I don't see Sessions being his VP, more valuable in the Senate. I would throw out Kris Kobach as a possible. Seen Scott Brown and Rick Scott touted. Reality is I have no clue, but I hope he remembers the Nixonian principle that the VP not be an incentive to any would be plotters against their President.
Trump's VP choice is going to be very interesting, and something that we should start looking at seriously. If he wants a woman to at least slightly negate Hilary then who are we looking at - Sarah Palin?, Susana Martinez?, Presumably Condi Rice wouldn't be interested.
Rubio is probably being pencilled in at the moment.
Pencilled in by who? Sure the GOP would like that, but as I understand it it's Trump's choice and I just don't see him playing by the rules and picking one of the other candidates. His whole schtick is doing things differently, why would his VP pick be any different?
There is no rule or convention that one of the defeated candidates for the nomination should get the VP slot. So it wouldn't even be "different" for Trump to look elsewhere.
It’s a shame that Corbyn is so slow on his feet that he couldn’t come up with that Einstein riposte during PMQs, but had to tweet it after the event - having presumably googled it.
If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes and shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas and shoddy philosophies.... It would be a sad situation if the wrapper were better than the meat wrapped inside it. - Einstein
I don't think it matters one jot. The Trump juggernaut is unstoppable for the GOP nomination. My major concern is will it take on enough momentum to take him to POTUS?
I'd be interested here. How many people genuinely think Trump will be the next POTUS because I am seriously starting to have my doubts
Not I for one.
Trump has effectively sewn up the GOP nomination but becoming POTUS is a whole different ball game.
Think on one factor. Why have the GOP establishment and their fellow travelers been desperate to avoid a Trump candidacy - They know he will crash and burn against Clinton.
Yes I agree. Snot gonna happen. It's perhaps a strange thing to say, but I feel that there would be a possibility that "President Trump" would be better than was GW Bush, who was the biggest US disaster, I think, in my rather long life..
The funny thing about Bush is that aside from the disastrous neocon Middle East policy, he was far more centrist than people think. He certainly believed in big government (the idea that right wingers believe in a small state is misleading -- many do; others don't) and in foreign aid did a lot, along with Gordon Brown, for debt relief in the developing world.
Dubya also strained to be inclusive to mainstream Muslims. While Trump likes to gin up animosity and conspiracy theories about them.
From OP: The only way that Trump can be stopped is if there’s one anti-Trump candidate ideally Rubio.
In no-one's ideal world is Rubio the candidate. Even in this world, I suspect a lot of the GOP Establishment will prefer Trump as figurehead while the grown-ups get on with running the country.
Now, the point is not that Trump can be bought off; of course he can't, but remember a new President brings his whole retinue as Cabinet members, ambassadors, civil servants and so on. Cruz or Rubio would bring their teams from Texas or Florida. The beauty of Trump, from this perspective, is that he has no candidate in mind for Secretary of Housing or Ambassador to Berlin, so can easily be persuaded to rubber stamp the Establishment candidates.
Trump will pick his own people. He has already drafted Jeff Sessions' team to write his immigration policy. He is talking to the right people on foreign policy and ignoring the phoney neocon think tank fronts (follow the money).
Personally I don't see Sessions being his VP, more valuable in the Senate. I would throw out Kris Kobach as a possible. Seen Scott Brown and Rick Scott touted. Reality is I have no clue, but I hope he remembers the Nixonian principle that the VP not be an incentive to any would be plotters against their President.
Trump's VP choice is going to be very interesting, and something that we should start looking at seriously. If he wants a woman to at least slightly negate Hilary then who are we looking at - Sarah Palin?, Susana Martinez?, Presumably Condi Rice wouldn't be interested.
Rubio is probably being pencilled in at the moment.
Pencilled in by who? Sure the GOP would like that, but as I understand it it's Trump's choice and I just don't see him playing by the rules and picking one of the other candidates. His whole schtick is doing things differently, why would his VP pick be any different?
That's a good point, but he may also want to mend fences within the GOP. Trump will just spin it as "different" when he does it. Remember that Rubio came in on the Tea Party ticket so he is hardly the establishment figure that people love to say he is. Bush and Kasich were/are the establishment candidates.
It’s a shame that Corbyn is so slow on his feet that he couldn’t come up with that Einstein riposte during PMQs, but had to tweet it after the event - having presumably googled it.
If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes and shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas and shoddy philosophies.... It would be a sad situation if the wrapper were better than the meat wrapped inside it. - Einstein
Its like Ed Miliband all over again. Who regularly got both barrels and then 2-3hrs later tweeted a witty riposte that an aide had come up with.
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I don't think it really hurts the person making it unless it becomes too frequent and excessive, but neither do I think that someone pretending to rise above it gets credit either - because people understand that they will undoubtedly have said similar themselves at some point. Corbyn, who everyone agrees is generally a very polite man, has never made crass or cruel jibes about another politician? Like hell he hasn't.
Cameron is pretty decent at delivering a mean put down, but I cannot say commenting on personal appearence would be one of his better ones - people have mocked Corbybn for all those things, but you criticise it more effectively by being in contrast to it I feel. Even agreeing with the point that one does seem even more irrelevant than most political gags.
But a cruel gag crossing the line is a very minimal thing, and suggestions of it undermining Cameron even if the gag was not a good one, are going too far in the opposite direction from those chortling at its hilarity.
People think some people look and sound like PMs, and those people can get away with saying very un-PM like things; there isn't a set of topics or terminology that one cannot use without undermining one's position, it is unique to the person.
@MrHarryCole: IPSA launch investigation into @PhilBoswellSNP's expenses - breaking
I genuinely don't know. @JackW and Rod Crosby are on different sides of the argument here.
Turnout massively up for the GOP, down for the Democrats is the only straw in the wind I can see so far and it bodes well for Trump.
At least Draper had the sense to disappear.
Is a nightmare living and working that close to a Hugo Boss, Selfridges and Harvey Nicks
(very sensible, if you are going to waste money on brands, you might at least get them cut price)
Why is an SNP MP under investigation by IPSA? Our story from Jan: https://t.co/1RSezuooE3 claimed £450 for a promotional video about himself
I would say Clinton is the favourite actually but I think Trump has a legitimate chance.
Jeremy Corbyn
“If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes & shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas & shoddy philosophies" Einstein #pmqs
@robertshrimsley: Interesting question re Cameron suit and tie jibe is whether this was off-the-cuff (ho-ho) or based on private polling about Corbyn
No10 spksman admits Generals For EU letter was organised by Downing St. And reveals "mistake was made" in naming Gen Sir Michael Rose. Uh-oh
Trump is the ultimate Marmite politician and has a ceiling that he cannot break in November. This together with the ongoing demographic trends in swing states will be more than enough for Clinton to comfortably see off Trump.with the real possibility of a Clinton landslide in the Electoral College.
He will be the most confoundingly difficult candidate that Clinton has ever faced because however much she smears him, he will successfully drag her down to the same level.
A Conservative PM w a majority, standing outside No 10 (perhaps in a made to measure suit by my friend who has a tailors in Jermyn St) with all the trappings of power, is a very hard front man to beat in a referendum when he is campaigning so vigorously for the status quo
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Bret Easton Ellis @BretEastonEllis Feb 20
Just back from a dinner in West Hollywood: shocked the majority of the table was voting for Trump but they would never admit it publicly.
Labour is now firmly a middle class party. The richer you are, the more shielded from the negative effects of government policy you are. You get to have your cake and eat it too.
I guess I am still seeking to understand why Labour members are so happy with a leader who will lead them to heavy electoral defeat. What is your explanation?
There's a feeling amongst Tories, even the most dedicated Leavers that we're not going to make the mistakes of 1992 and 1997, and we're not going to let Corbyn become PM on our watch.
It's totally divorced from their base.
The SNP:Green vote doesn't seem to be materialising.
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/scottish-parliamentary-election/most-seats-without-snp
Fine if they want to do that - provided they pay back the investment in their education and training
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/09/11/some-fashion-advice-for-jeremy-corbyn/
This thread was mentioned at a recent Fabians event, asking how come some bloke on a blog could see this disaster unfolding but no one in the Labour Party did.
Clearly not
The people love him already, and think a Trump presidency is going to change their lives, or is at least going to make them feel better about themselves and the USA, and more secure.
They are fed up with professional politicians, who've never done anything with their lives but scheme for office. Trump is a billionaire, but has the common touch. He wants nothing, needs nothing, and owes nothing to anyone. He calls a spade a spade.
Swathes of people who have given up on politics will flock to the polls for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity - to give two fingers to the Establishment.
The bien pensants are heading for the biggest banquet of crow since 1948...
Either you pay for your tuition yourself - and can charge market rates, or you get a subsidy on the training but accept you will have lower wages for a period of time.
There's no such thing as a free lunch
It's perhaps a strange thing to say, but I feel that there would be a possibility that "President Trump" would be better than was GW Bush, who was the biggest US disaster, I think, in my rather long life..
Don't get hung up by the nomination. It's of limited relevance for the Dems - Remember how Clinton supporters in 08 told us that Obama couldn't unify the party after beating her. The problem for the GOP is more difficult as McCain and Romney had to tack to the right to secure the prize causing damage later on. Trump doesn't have this problem but plenty of others.
The Nomination Game and the General Election are two entirely different ball games.
Tangentially, I wonder whether 2020 is already Cruz's goal with respect to his strategy this time around.
Perfect combination of headline/journalist
#Brexit https://t.co/y6tPOCDe9M
Breaking: Rotherham abuse gang found guilty of dozens of charges abusing young girls in the town #starlive
Brothers Arshid and Bannaras Hussain found guilty of numerous offences. Can now be reported Bannaras Hussain pleaded guilty at start of case
He might pick a military man.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/24/hungary-viktor-orban-will-call-referendum-on-eu-refugee-quotas?CMP=twt_b-gdnnews
Anyway, her coalition isn't broad enough as I pointed out.
Michael Deacon
Hansard transcript of PMQs is in https://t.co/K0XW2N5yBZ