yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
Why would that be?
Because it is all about money after all?
Because doctors are quite employable and none of them will want to work for an idiot who thinks that their level of intelligence/expertise is on a par with doing a quick Google search.
You just carry on convincing yourself with the fantasy it's all about the money.
New contracts should include a clause surcharging any doctors who wish to hotfoot it overseas for more loot, within say 10 years of qualifying at the taxpayers expense. Seems fair.
This taxpayers expense stuff is all nonsense. Doctors are no more trained at "taxpayers' expense" than an engineer or a lawyer. All university education is subsidised in this country.
The path to becoming a doctor is much longer and much more expensive. A media studies undergrad could have as little as six to eight hours of contact time a week, a medical student will be at least twenty, and much of it lab based, and its five years instead of three.
It is expensive to do. It is claimed that over the ten years it takes, five to get through med school and then the five to get to the point of becoming a GP, it costs the taxpayer about £610,000.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
'Recent concessions by Hunt and Dalton – that normal or “plain time” could end at 9pm on weekdays and 5pm on Saturdays – proved insufficient to sway the BMA. The doctors’ union wants all of Saturday to continue to attract lucrative overtime payments.'
They were supposed to win enough seats at the last election to make up the numbers & then be blamed for forcing Dave & George to ditch the stupid 7-day a week NHS pledge.
It was not a stupid pledge.
It should have started with GP contract renegotiation, though. Return of OOH service and increased provision of hours - probably incentivised by paying per appointment.
I got the impression that the junior doctors' contract came up for negotiation first?
Aren't we supposed to be seeing Iowa exit polls around now? If you Google them you get one hit, but it's a Youtube video uploaded 8 hours ago and (falsely, as nobody had voted at that stage) claiming a huge Trump lead.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
If doctors are going to put patients at risk by striking for money, they deserve every last bit of opprobrium that they get.
I presume the fact you're back on here talking about this means there's going to be another strike?
Yes there will be another strike next week. And I post here regularly and not just about the government running down the health service.
How is it running it down? By protecting spending on the NHS it has caused quite substantial reductions to other areas of public spending.
The reason other departments are being reduced is because of the immense amount paid out on housing benefits because the government has allowed marked forces to run wild.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
If doctors are going to put patients at risk by striking for money, they deserve every last bit of opprobrium that they get.
I presume the fact you're back on here talking about this means there's going to be another strike?
Yes there will be another strike next week. And I post here regularly and not just about the government running down the health service.
How is it running it down? By protecting spending on the NHS it has caused quite substantial reductions to other areas of public spending.
The reason other departments are being reduced is because of the immense amount paid out on housing benefits because the government has allowed marked forces to run wild.
So because GDP is growing we should just chuck money at something that is need related? What a joke.
Aren't we supposed to be seeing Iowa exit polls around now? If you Google them you get one hit, but it's a Youtube video uploaded 8 hours ago and (falsely, as nobody had voted at that stage) claiming a huge Trump lead.
lol
I thought they didn't start actually caucusing(?) until 7pm (1am)
Dunno though. Technology has made a lot of political selection processes seem pretty antiquated. The whole nomination/potus process could over and done with in a month, with internet voting.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
Why would that be?
Because it is all about money after all?
Because doctors are quite employable and none of them will want to work for an idiot who thinks that their level of intelligence/expertise is on a par with doing a quick Google search.
You just carry on convincing yourself with the fantasy it's all about the money.
New contracts should include a clause surcharging any doctors who wish to hotfoot it overseas for more loot, within say 10 years of qualifying at the taxpayers expense. Seems fair.
This taxpayers expense stuff is all nonsense. Doctors are no more trained at "taxpayers' expense" than an engineer or a lawyer. All university education is subsidised in this country.
The path to becoming a doctor is much longer and much more expensive. A media studies undergrad could have as little as six to eight hours of contact time a week, a medical student will be at least twenty, and much of it lab based, and its five years instead of three.
It is expensive to do. It is claimed that over the ten years it takes, five to get through med school and then the five to get to the point of becoming a GP, it costs the taxpayer about £610,000.
I'm not doubting it. But again every engineer working in this country has had his or her degree subsidised by the tax payer. And doctors once they've graduated pay from their own money to do their further exams. Do we want engineers, do we want doctors?
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
Why would that be?
Because it is all about money after all?
Because doctors are quite employable and none of them will want to work for an idiot who thinks that their level of intelligence/expertise is on a par with doing a quick Google search.
You just carry on convincing yourself with the fantasy it's all about the money.
Doctors work for people like me, the taxpayer, who pays their salaries and subsidises their education, not Hunt.
Try and remember that, the next time you're manning the barricades and laughing childishly about getting one over the Health Minister, as patients suffer and go untreated.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
'Recent concessions by Hunt and Dalton – that normal or “plain time” could end at 9pm on weekdays and 5pm on Saturdays – proved insufficient to sway the BMA. The doctors’ union wants all of Saturday to continue to attract lucrative overtime payments.'
They were supposed to win enough seats at the last election to make up the numbers & then be blamed for forcing Dave & George to ditch the stupid 7-day a week NHS pledge.
It was not a stupid pledge.
It should have started with GP contract renegotiation, though. Return of OOH service and increased provision of hours - probably incentivised by paying per appointment.
I got the impression that the junior doctors' contract came up for negotiation first?
No contracts are up for renegotiation as you put it. The government employs everyone in the NHS and can change their contracts at will and not just at a fixed period. It doesn't do much for workplace harmony if you do it unilaterally though.
You'd never get them to move in the river - they'd be stuck in the mud. Displacement of Vanguard submarine - 12 metres. Charted depth of the Thames at London Bridge - 1.8 metres.
Nahh, they'd go via the Fleet[1]
[1] This is possibly the best pun I have ever made on PB. The Fleet is an old tributary of the Thames which has been built over - hence "Fleet Street" - and so is now underground. So you've got an underwater boat in an underground river. Additionally, "fleet" is a collective noun for marine vessels.
Astonishing! The then River Fleet was regularly blocked up with rubbish and even though after the Great Fire they tried at great expense to turn it all into a little venice the dastardly locals kept throwing their rubbish in it and the traders would not use the quaysides.
Aren't we supposed to be seeing Iowa exit polls around now? If you Google them you get one hit, but it's a Youtube video uploaded 8 hours ago and (falsely, as nobody had voted at that stage) claiming a huge Trump lead.
lol
I thought they didn't start actually caucusing(?) until 7pm (1am)
Dunno though.
It says here that the results of the Iowa Democratic caucuses will be released beginning at 7:30pm CT, which I think is in 15 minutes time.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
Why would that be?
Because it is all about money after all?
Because doctors are quite employable and none of them will want to work for an idiot who thinks that their level of intelligence/expertise is on a par with doing a quick Google search.
You just carry on convincing yourself with the fantasy it's all about the money.
New contracts should include a clause surcharging any doctors who wish to hotfoot it overseas for more loot, within say 10 years of qualifying at the taxpayers expense. Seems fair.
This taxpayers expense stuff is all nonsense. Doctors are no more trained at "taxpayers' expense" than an engineer or a lawyer. All university education is subsidised in this country.
The path to becoming a doctor is much longer and much more expensive. A media studies undergrad could have as little as six to eight hours of contact time a week, a medical student will be at least twenty, and much of it lab based, and its five years instead of three.
It is expensive to do. It is claimed that over the ten years it takes, five to get through med school and then the five to get to the point of becoming a GP, it costs the taxpayer about £610,000.
I'm not doubting it. But again every engineer working in this country has had his or her degree subsidised by the tax payer. And doctors once they've graduated pay from their own money to do their further exams. Do we want engineers, do we want doctors?
And the £610k is likely to be a myth.
This is just laughable.
Doctors obviously cost more to train. Oh, and Engineers are (mostly) employed by the private sector. So they help to pay for Doctors too.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
Why would that be?
Because it is all about money after all?
Because doctors are quite employable and none of them will want to work for an idiot who thinks that their level of intelligence/expertise is on a par with doing a quick Google search.
You just carry on convincing yourself with the fantasy it's all about the money.
New contracts should include a clause surcharging any doctors who wish to hotfoot it overseas for more loot, within say 10 years of qualifying at the taxpayers expense. Seems fair.
This taxpayers expense stuff is all nonsense. Doctors are no more trained at "taxpayers' expense" than an engineer or a lawyer. All university education is subsidised in this country.
The path to becoming a doctor is much longer and much more expensive. A media studies undergrad could have as little as six to eight hours of contact time a week, a medical student will be at least twenty, and much of it lab based, and its five years instead of three.
It is expensive to do. It is claimed that over the ten years it takes, five to get through med school and then the five to get to the point of becoming a GP, it costs the taxpayer about £610,000.
Indeed. Many doctors overseas end up paying for their own training, hence the higher salaries of which ours are so keen to take advantage.
So, either doctors here contribute more to their education, or they pay the taxpayer back if they jump ship early.
Aren't we supposed to be seeing Iowa exit polls around now? If you Google them you get one hit, but it's a Youtube video uploaded 8 hours ago and (falsely, as nobody had voted at that stage) claiming a huge Trump lead.
lol
I thought they didn't start actually caucusing(?) until 7pm (1am)
Dunno though.
It says here that the results of the Iowa Democratic caucuses will be released beginning at 7:30pm CT, which I think is in 15 minutes time.
A Trident ballistic missile is about 2 metres wide by 13m long. If you stripped out all the gubbins and packed fully-laden soldiers in like sardines you'd get about 25 in each launch tube. A Vanguard has 16 SLBM launch tubes, so that's 400 soldiers, all packed into tubes, weeing on the guy at the bottom of the tube, holding their breath, and trying not to fart..
Or conversely you could just charter a 747 and transport 400 soldiers in some comfort, with a warm meal and an inflight movie.
God, Corbyn is thick.
Even I don't think that's what they are proposing. I took it to mean they want to build ballistic missile subs and then use them to carry dry dock shelters. So about £4 billion or so to drop off a dozen hard nuts off the coast of Somalia.
They're almost childlike in their stupidity, really. I mean on one level it's kind of sweet, but it's just not adult. Next week: flying submarines. Airborne aircraft carriers. AT-ATs. Stuff that looks good in crayon, but is just flat-out dumb IRL
Actually, please please please can the next Labour defence brainfart involve AT-ATs? I mean it's just as wildly impracticable, but it'd look wicked cool. For about thirty seconds, at least
Corbyn to replace House of Lords with Galactic Senate? Those floating podium things are kinda cool!
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
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Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
Why would that be?
Because it is all about money after all?
Because doctors are quite employable and none of them will want to work for an idiot who thinks that their level of intelligence/expertise is on a par with doing a quick Google search.
You just carry on convincing yourself with the fantasy it's all about the money.
New contracts should include a clause surcharging any doctors who wish to hotfoot it overseas for more loot, within say 10 years of qualifying at the taxpayers expense. Seems fair.
This taxpayers expense stuff is all nonsense. Doctors are no more trained at "taxpayers' expense" than an engineer or a lawyer. All university education is subsidised in this country.
The path to becoming a doctor is much longer and much more expensive. A media studies undergrad could have as little as six to eight hours of contact time a week, a medical student will be at least twenty, and much of it lab based, and its five years instead of three.
It is expensive to do. It is claimed that over the ten years it takes, five to get through med school and then the five to get to the point of becoming a GP, it costs the taxpayer about £610,000.
Indeed. Many doctors overseas end up paying for their own training, hence the higher salaries of which ours are so keen to take advantage.
So, either doctors here contribute more to their education, or they pay the taxpayer back if they jump ship early.
It is a mindset shift away from reality presently.
Currently reading Peter Thiel's Zero to One - it would blow the mind of an averagely well educated public sector worker. Entrepreneurship? No! Collective, national bargaining, strikes and calling the minister nasty names if we don't agree.
A Trident ballistic missile is about 2 metres wide by 13m long. If you stripped out all the gubbins and packed fully-laden soldiers in like sardines you'd get about 25 in each launch tube. A Vanguard has 16 SLBM launch tubes, so that's 400 soldiers, all packed into tubes, weeing on the guy at the bottom of the tube, holding their breath, and trying not to fart..
Or conversely you could just charter a 747 and transport 400 soldiers in some comfort, with a warm meal and an inflight movie.
God, Corbyn is thick.
Even I don't think that's what they are proposing. I took it to mean they want to build ballistic missile subs and then use them to carry dry dock shelters. So about £4 billion or so to drop off a dozen hard nuts off the coast of Somalia.
They're almost childlike in their stupidity, really. I mean on one level it's kind of sweet, but it's just not adult. Next week: flying submarines. Airborne aircraft carriers. AT-ATs. Stuff that looks good in crayon, but is just flat-out dumb IRL
Actually, please please please can the next Labour defence brainfart involve AT-ATs? I mean it's just as wildly impracticable, but it'd look wicked cool. For about thirty seconds, at least
Corbyn to replace House of Lords with Galactic Senate? Those floating podium things are kinda cool!
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
If doctors are going to put patients at risk by striking for money, they deserve every last bit of opprobrium that they get.
I presume the fact you're back on here talking about this means there's going to be another strike?
Yes there will be another strike next week. And I post here regularly and not just about the government running down the health service.
How is it running it down? By protecting spending on the NHS it has caused quite substantial reductions to other areas of public spending.
The reason other departments are being reduced is because of the immense amount paid out on housing benefits because the government has allowed marked forces to run wild.
It is very sad, and wrong, that the NHS performance is being measured by how much it spends rather than the health of the nation.
You'd never get them to move in the river - they'd be stuck in the mud. Displacement of Vanguard submarine - 12 metres. Charted depth of the Thames at London Bridge - 1.8 metres.
Nahh, they'd go via the Fleet[1]
[1] This is possibly the best pun I have ever made on PB. The Fleet is an old tributary of the Thames which has been built over - hence "Fleet Street" - and so is now underground. So you've got an underwater boat in an underground river. Additionally, "fleet" is a collective noun for marine vessels.
Astonishing! The then River Fleet was regularly blocked up with rubbish and even though after the Great Fire they tried at great expense to turn it all into a little venice the dastardly locals kept throwing their rubbish in it and the traders would not use the quaysides.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Why would that be?
Because it is all about money after all?
You just carry on convincing yourself with the fantasy it's all about the money.
New contracts should include a clause surcharging any doctors who wish to hotfoot it overseas for more loot, within say 10 years of qualifying at the taxpayers expense. Seems fair.
This taxpayers expense stuff is all nonsense. Doctors are no more trained at "taxpayers' expense" than an engineer or a lawyer. All university education is subsidised in this country.
It is expensive to do. It is claimed that over the ten years it takes, five to get through med school and then the five to get to the point of becoming a GP, it costs the taxpayer about £610,000.
Indeed. Many doctors overseas end up paying for their own training, hence the higher salaries of which ours are so keen to take advantage.
So, either doctors here contribute more to their education, or they pay the taxpayer back if they jump ship early.
That figure is inaccurate. That is to consultant, but you are rather annoyed that they jump ship early, so the full figure will not be reached.
This figure also includes things such as 'lost productivity' IE being economically inactive whilst studying and living expenses which are paid by the trainee.
Also that does not take into account the service provision that they do. Training posts are paid far less than service posts, and are cheap labour in comparison to other countries.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
If doctors are going to put patients at risk by striking for money, they deserve every last bit of opprobrium that they get.
I presume the fact you're back on here talking about this means there's going to be another strike?
Yes there will be another strike next week. And I post here regularly and not just about the government running down the health service.
How is it running it down? By protecting spending on the NHS it has caused quite substantial reductions to other areas of public spending.
The reason other departments are being reduced is because of the immense amount paid out on housing benefits because the government has allowed marked forces to run wild.
It is very sad, and wrong, that the NHS performance is being measured by how much it spends rather than the health of the nation.
Hear, hear.
It will continue to be the same whilst the interests of the producers remain paramount.
Aren't we supposed to be seeing Iowa exit polls around now? If you Google them you get one hit, but it's a Youtube video uploaded 8 hours ago and (falsely, as nobody had voted at that stage) claiming a huge Trump lead.
lol
I thought they didn't start actually caucusing(?) until 7pm (1am)
Dunno though.
It says here that the results of the Iowa Democratic caucuses will be released beginning at 7:30pm CT, which I think is in 15 minutes time.
Aren't we supposed to be seeing Iowa exit polls around now? If you Google them you get one hit, but it's a Youtube video uploaded 8 hours ago and (falsely, as nobody had voted at that stage) claiming a huge Trump lead.
lol
I thought they didn't start actually caucusing(?) until 7pm (1am)
Dunno though.
It says here that the results of the Iowa Democratic caucuses will be released beginning at 7:30pm CT, which I think is in 15 minutes time.
You'd never get them to move in the river - they'd be stuck in the mud. Displacement of Vanguard submarine - 12 metres. Charted depth of the Thames at London Bridge - 1.8 metres.
Nahh, they'd go via the Fleet[1]
[1] This is possibly the best pun I have ever made on PB. The Fleet is an old tributary of the Thames which has been built over - hence "Fleet Street" - and so is now underground. So you've got an underwater boat in an underground river. Additionally, "fleet" is a collective noun for marine vessels.
Astonishing! The then River Fleet was regularly blocked up with rubbish and even though after the Great Fire they tried at great expense to turn it all into a little venice the dastardly locals kept throwing their rubbish in it and the traders would not use the quaysides.
Thank you.
Thats all right. I'm not trying to be funny or anything BTW, that period of rebuilding is a very interesting one. Including St Pauls Cathedral there are only about a dozen buildings which have survived the rebuilding after the Great Fire. A number burnt down relatively soon after! Its a pity really that more do not survive from that period.
A Trident ballistic missile is about 2 metres wide by 13m long. If you stripped out all the gubbins and packed fully-laden soldiers in like sardines you'd get about 25 in each launch tube. A Vanguard has 16 SLBM launch tubes, so that's 400 soldiers, all packed into tubes, weeing on the guy at the bottom of the tube, holding their breath, and trying not to fart..
Or conversely you could just charter a 747 and transport 400 soldiers in some comfort, with a warm meal and an inflight movie.
God, Corbyn is thick.
Even I don't think that's what they are proposing. I took it to mean they want to build ballistic missile subs and then use them to carry dry dock shelters. So about £4 billion or so to drop off a dozen hard nuts off the coast of Somalia.
They're almost childlike in their stupidity, really. I mean on one level it's kind of sweet, but it's just not adult. Next week: flying submarines. Airborne aircraft carriers. AT-ATs. Stuff that looks good in crayon, but is just flat-out dumb IRL
Actually, please please please can the next Labour defence brainfart involve AT-ATs? I mean it's just as wildly impracticable, but it'd look wicked cool. For about thirty seconds, at least
Corbyn to replace House of Lords with Galactic Senate? Those floating podium things are kinda cool!
A Trident ballistic missile is about 2 metres wide by 13m long. If you stripped out all the gubbins and packed fully-laden soldiers in like sardines you'd get about 25 in each launch tube. A Vanguard has 16 SLBM launch tubes, so that's 400 soldiers, all packed into tubes, weeing on the guy at the bottom of the tube, holding their breath, and trying not to fart..
Or conversely you could just charter a 747 and transport 400 soldiers in some comfort, with a warm meal and an inflight movie.
God, Corbyn is thick.
Even I don't think that's what they are proposing. I took it to mean they want to build ballistic missile subs and then use them to carry dry dock shelters. So about £4 billion or so to drop off a dozen hard nuts off the coast of Somalia.
They're almost childlike in their stupidity, really. I mean on one level it's kind of sweet, but it's just not adult. Next week: flying submarines. Airborne aircraft carriers. AT-ATs. Stuff that looks good in crayon, but is just flat-out dumb IRL
Actually, please please please can the next Labour defence brainfart involve AT-ATs? I mean it's just as wildly impracticable, but it'd look wicked cool. For about thirty seconds, at least
Corbyn to replace House of Lords with Galactic Senate? Those floating podium things are kinda cool!
The Times ''Factories started the year with a surprising surge in activity as domestic demand helped to shrug off challenges on both global and local scales. January’s purchasing managers’ index for manufacturing edged up to a three-month high of 52.9 from 52.1 in December, which was above expectations. Any reading above 50 indicates growth.''
Anyone seen this ? The Conservative leadership contest should not be fought by two "white men", Nicky Morgan has said, in comments aimed at her rivals Boris Johnson and George Osborne.
The only numbers provided by CNN is about first voters, both have 40% new voters, very sclerotic on the Democratic side only 13% made a decision in the last days.
You'd never get them to move in the river - they'd be stuck in the mud. Displacement of Vanguard submarine - 12 metres. Charted depth of the Thames at London Bridge - 1.8 metres.
Nahh, they'd go via the Fleet[1]
[1] This is possibly the best pun I have ever made on PB. The Fleet is an old tributary of the Thames which has been built over - hence "Fleet Street" - and so is now underground. So you've got an underwater boat in an underground river. Additionally, "fleet" is a collective noun for marine vessels.
Astonishing! The then River Fleet was regularly blocked up with rubbish and even though after the Great Fire they tried at great expense to turn it all into a little venice the dastardly locals kept throwing their rubbish in it and the traders would not use the quaysides.
Thank you.
Thats all right. I'm not trying to be funny or anything BTW, that period of rebuilding is a very interesting one. Including St Pauls Cathedral there are only about a dozen buildings which have survived the rebuilding after the Great Fire. A number burnt down relatively soon after! Its a pity really that more do not survive from that period.
The only architect I'm familiar with from the period (other than Wren!) is Hawksmoor, I'm sorry to say
CNN reports that 43% of Republican caucusgoers today are first-timers, with 57% having attended a caucus before. Thirty-four percent decided on their candidate in the last few days. On the Democratic side, 41% had never been to a caucus before. In 2008 when Barack Obama made history, 57% of the caucusgoers were first-timers. On the Democratic side, 13% decided in the last few days. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/01/politics/iowa-caucuses-updates-real-time/index.html?iowa
A Trident ballistic missile is about 2 metres wide by 13m long. If you stripped out all the gubbins and packed fully-laden soldiers in like sardines you'd get about 25 in each launch tube. A Vanguard has 16 SLBM launch tubes, so that's 400 soldiers, all packed into tubes, weeing on the guy at the bottom of the tube, holding their breath, and trying not to fart..
Or conversely you could just charter a 747 and transport 400 soldiers in some comfort, with a warm meal and an inflight movie.
God, Corbyn is thick.
Even I don't think that's what they are proposing. I took it to mean they want to build ballistic missile subs and then use them to carry dry dock shelters. So about £4 billion or so to drop off a dozen hard nuts off the coast of Somalia.
They're almost childlike in their stupidity, really. I mean on one level it's kind of sweet, but it's just not adult. Next week: flying submarines. Airborne aircraft carriers. AT-ATs. Stuff that looks good in crayon, but is just flat-out dumb IRL
Actually, please please please can the next Labour defence brainfart involve AT-ATs? I mean it's just as wildly impracticable, but it'd look wicked cool. For about thirty seconds, at least
Corbyn to replace House of Lords with Galactic Senate? Those floating podium things are kinda cool!
They haven't showed any numbers for the democrats, they only say that Hillary is leading but by how much? 1%, 2%, 3% ? On the republican side its clear that Trump is in the lead, with Rubio a poor third.
Anyone seen this ? The Conservative leadership contest should not be fought by two "white men", Nicky Morgan has said, in comments aimed at her rivals Boris Johnson and George Osborne.
Either that's a serious chunk of journalistic license or the woman is deluded.
Nicky Morgan needs to explain what the problem is with being white and male. She is seriously deluded but that is what happens when you elect generic metropolitan elite types to parliament.
High turn out suggests to me a convincing win for Trump. But I'm not an odds on shot backer so I'm not putting the cash down. Trump 1.31-1.38 on Betfair.
Interesting how the British media are using the same types of photos of Trump as they usually use for Farage: ie. ones making the person in question look like a braying horse. How original.
Interesting how the British media are using the same types of photos of Trump as they usually use for Farage: ie. ones making the person in question look like a braying horse. How original.
yeah.. like the junior doctors... The strike just hurts patients..
Hush now. Think of those poor Tarquins and Jemimas and their struggle for overtime all day on a Saturday, not just after 5pm ... errr, sorry, I meant the fight for patient safety.
Good to see it confirmed that it's all about the money, but we knew that already.
Carry on thinking it's about pay and demeaning doctors (you're not Jeremy Hunt, are you?). By the time it gets to 2020 there won't be enough doctors to safely cover even emergency rotas.
If doctors are going to put patients at risk by striking for money, they deserve every last bit of opprobrium that they get.
I presume the fact you're back on here talking about this means there's going to be another strike?
Yes there will be another strike next week. And I post here regularly and not just about the government running down the health service.
How is it running it down? By protecting spending on the NHS it has caused quite substantial reductions to other areas of public spending.
The reason other departments are being reduced is because of the immense amount paid out on housing benefits because the government has allowed marked forces to run wild.
A massive F. Soon as someone writes Spending XYZ was X in 2009 and now it has reduced to Q needs to be taken out and shot. You cannot compare spending with anything in 2009, and not make it look like a cut. It was an unusual year of spending for everything as the government unleashed a tsunami of cash on the public sector on the assumption it would stimulate growth.
Remember when people say there hasnt been any global warming for eighteen years? Because they pick 1998 as their starting point, a year that was a record hot.
It's basic manipulation of figures and immediately marks someone out as not to be trusted.
High turn out suggests to me a convincing win for Trump. But I'm not an odds on shot backer so I'm not putting the cash down. Trump 1.31-1.38 on Betfair.
I'm not a short odds backer either, but from the data we have, those odds should be;
High turn out suggests to me a convincing win for Trump. But I'm not an odds on shot backer so I'm not putting the cash down. Trump 1.31-1.38 on Betfair.
I'm not a short odds backer either, but from the data we have, those odds should be;
1/4 10/1 10/1
I'm just not sure how credible those entrance polls are.
I'm on quite a steep learning curve re; US elections!
A Trident ballistic missile is about 2 metres wide by 13m long. If you stripped out all the gubbins and packed fully-laden soldiers in like sardines you'd get about 25 in each launch tube. A Vanguard has 16 SLBM launch tubes, so that's 400 soldiers, all packed into tubes, weeing on the guy at the bottom of the tube, holding their breath, and trying not to fart..
Or conversely you could just charter a 747 and transport 400 soldiers in some comfort, with a warm meal and an inflight movie.
God, Corbyn is thick.
Corbyn to replace House of Lords with Galactic Senate? Those floating podium things are kinda cool!
Palpatine: Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Corbyn the Wise?
Anakin: No.
Palpatine: I thought not. It's not a story the Labour Party would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Corbyn was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create... Left-wing Policies. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about... from dying from boredom at Party meetings.
Anakin: He could actually...save people from boring themselves to death?
Palpatine: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many policy platforms some consider to be unelectable.
Anakin: What happened to him?
Palpatine: He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power... which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his Shadow Chancellor everything he knew. Then his Shadow Chancellor stole his best policies. Ironic. He could save others from obscurity... but not himself.
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Glad I took advantage of him at 2.7 and again at 10 tbh.
It is expensive to do. It is claimed that over the ten years it takes, five to get through med school and then the five to get to the point of becoming a GP, it costs the taxpayer about £610,000.
The reason other departments are being reduced is because of the immense amount paid out on housing benefits because the government has allowed marked forces to run wild.
I thought they didn't start actually caucusing(?) until 7pm (1am)
Dunno though. Technology has made a lot of political selection processes seem pretty antiquated. The whole nomination/potus process could over and done with in a month, with internet voting.
And the £610k is likely to be a myth.
Try and remember that, the next time you're manning the barricades and laughing childishly about getting one over the Health Minister, as patients suffer and go untreated.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article151274435/Berlin-will-Tausende-Hotelzimmer-fuer-Fluechtlinge-mieten.html
The then River Fleet was regularly blocked up with rubbish and even though after the Great Fire they tried at great expense to turn it all into a little venice the dastardly locals kept throwing their rubbish in it and the traders would not use the quaysides.
https://www.idpcaucuses.com/#/state
EDIT - Correction - I think that is in 75 minutes time.
Doctors obviously cost more to train.
Oh, and Engineers are (mostly) employed by the private sector. So they help to pay for Doctors too.
We know older people are less pro EU and younger people are more pro EU.
So the polling medium is the message (after Marshall McLuhan).
So, either doctors here contribute more to their education, or they pay the taxpayer back if they jump ship early.
Currently reading Peter Thiel's Zero to One - it would blow the mind of an averagely well educated public sector worker. Entrepreneurship? No! Collective, national bargaining, strikes and calling the minister nasty names if we don't agree.
It is very sad, and wrong, that the NHS performance is being measured by how much it spends rather than the health of the nation.
This figure also includes things such as 'lost productivity' IE being economically inactive whilst studying and living expenses which are paid by the trainee.
Also that does not take into account the service provision that they do. Training posts are paid far less than service posts, and are cheap labour in comparison to other countries.
http://www.bma.org.uk/-/media/Files/Word files/News views analysis/pressbriefing_cost_of_training_doctors.docx
Applications to medical school are down 13.5% from 2 years ago. If there are proviso's of a return of service that will likely drop again.
It will continue to be the same whilst the interests of the producers remain paramount.
Worth taking the BMA down a peg or two.
Pretty much identical!
https://www.iagopcaucuses.com/#/state
Edit: Wow - not even in 2012. I'm sure I've seen his name bandied about as potential pres. material forever!
I'm not trying to be funny or anything BTW, that period of rebuilding is a very interesting one. Including St Pauls Cathedral there are only about a dozen buildings which have survived the rebuilding after the Great Fire. A number burnt down relatively soon after! Its a pity really that more do not survive from that period.
Found it !
It's so high that the caucus probably will be delayed a bit.
For the next minute it looks good for Trump and Sanders.
''Factories started the year with a surprising surge in activity as domestic demand helped to shrug off challenges on both global and local scales.
January’s purchasing managers’ index for manufacturing edged up to a three-month high of 52.9 from 52.1 in December, which was above expectations. Any reading above 50 indicates growth.''
Literally nothing, not even percentages.
The Conservative leadership contest should not be fought by two "white men", Nicky Morgan has said, in comments aimed at her rivals Boris Johnson and George Osborne.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12134978/Nicky-Morgan-Conservative-leadership-should-not-be-contested-by-two-white-men.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
"Osborne and Johnson" her "Rivals".
Either that's a serious chunk of journalistic license or the woman is deluded.
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2016/politics/election-candidate-matchmaker/
Early entrance polls at #IAcaucus: @RealDonaldTrump leading GOP; @HillaryClinton leading Dems: http://cbsn.ws/1PbBBi2
Thirty-four percent decided on their candidate in the last few days.
On the Democratic side, 41% had never been to a caucus before. In 2008 when Barack Obama made history, 57% of the caucusgoers were first-timers.
On the Democratic side, 13% decided in the last few days.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/01/politics/iowa-caucuses-updates-real-time/index.html?iowa
Evangelicals
Cruz 26
Trump 25
Rubio in the teens.
First time voters
Trump 33
Cruz 18
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/
On the republican side its clear that Trump is in the lead, with Rubio a poor third.
Evening all.
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ia/Rep
Bottom page, the entrance poll.
Trump 29
Cruz 22
Rubio 19
Fiorina 4
Huckabee 3.5
Bush 3
Christie 3
Paul 3
Kasich 1.5
Santorum 1.5
Heidi Mannetter @Beaverdale8m
There are so many dems at Precinct 41 that they are moving us outside to be counted. #IowaCaucus #Caucus2016 http://twitter.com/Beaverdale/status/694326025736466433/photo/1
Don't forget Jeb.
Hillary 50
Sanders 43
CBS
Trump 27
Rubio 23
Cruz 22
Carson 9
CNN also says Carson 9.
Clinton 49%
Sanders 43.5%
O'Malley 4%
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/ia/Dem
I'll get my coat...
Trump 28%
Rubio 22%
Cruz 21%
Carson 10%
Fiorina 4%
Bush 4%
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/
Trump 2 polls with a lead of 4-7.
Sanders 59%
Clinton 38%
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/
Remember when people say there hasnt been any global warming for eighteen years? Because they pick 1998 as their starting point, a year that was a record hot.
It's basic manipulation of figures and immediately marks someone out as not to be trusted.
Here's a cracking little graph to catch porkie piemen out:
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_chart_1997_2016UKp_15c1li111mcn_10t
1/4
10/1
10/1
Trump 27
Cruz 22
Rubio 21
Carson 9
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ia/Dem
I'm on quite a steep learning curve re; US elections!
Those entrance polls are changing all the time.
Or something.
1% in.
Cruz 34
Trump 33
Rubio 12
Carson 10
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ia/Rep
Cruz 206; Trump 196.
CBSN utterly gushing over Rubio
Hillary 52
Sanders 46
Clinton 52%
Sanders 46%
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ia/Dem
Cruz 26
Trump 24
Rubio 21
Trump way ahead with non evangelicals.
Trump 35%
Cruz 31%
Rubio 14%
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ia/Rep
Anakin: No.
Palpatine: I thought not. It's not a story the Labour Party would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Corbyn was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create... Left-wing Policies. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about... from dying from boredom at Party meetings.
Anakin: He could actually...save people from boring themselves to death?
Palpatine: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many policy platforms some consider to be unelectable.
Anakin: What happened to him?
Palpatine: He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power... which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his Shadow Chancellor everything he knew. Then his Shadow Chancellor stole his best policies. Ironic. He could save others from obscurity... but not himself.
Anakin: Is it possible to learn this power?
Palpatine: Not from a Socialist...