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  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Did you enjoy Justified or Elementary?
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.

    There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
    It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves

    "A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.

    Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.

    Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’
    He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.

    A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-3412616/How-Labour-turned-London-foreign-city.html#ixzz3y4OUF3u8
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
    The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
    Malcolm, you're the child of immigrants and I think you're wonderful. You enrich Ayrshire with your pungent vibrancy.
    You falling for my charms Monica

    PS : as ever your grasp of fact sis somewhat lacking , my great grandparents on one side came from Northern Ireland and were most likely children of Scots who had moved there.
    Makes a good story though.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756

    Did you enjoy Justified or Elementary?

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.

    There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
    It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves

    "A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.

    Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.

    Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’
    He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.

    A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-3412616/How-Labour-turned-London-foreign-city.html#ixzz3y4OUF3u8
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
    The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
    Malcolm, you're the child of immigrants and I think you're wonderful. You enrich Ayrshire with your pungent vibrancy.
    You falling for my charms Monica

    PS : as ever your grasp of fact sis somewhat lacking , my great grandparents on one side came from Northern Ireland and were most likely children of Scots who had moved there.
    Makes a good story though.
    I was outvoted on Justified , wife did not like it.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Ha!

    This is both brilliant and hilarious (check out penultimate category) https://t.co/3ANXeDeg3l
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    chestnut said:

    According to the MCB these constituencies have at least 20% Muslim populations (with change in Labour vote share in 2015):

    Birmingham Hodge Hill Lab +16%
    B.............

    Not much evidence of a collapse in Labour support among non-white voters there.

    A few thoughts:

    1) There will be differences between Muslim voters, ethnic minority voters in general and other specific ethnic minority in particular.

    2) Labour would have been boosted by those constituencies increasing their ethnic minority proportion even if voting within ethnic groups didn't change.

    3) All those constituencies are Labour held and with the exception of Westminster North are safe to ultra safe Labour. Corbynista pandering to Muslim voters is thus unlikely to gain Labour many new MPs.

    I hold a suspicion that Labour's minority vote will increasingly belong to one religious bloc. Labour are gradually morphing into Respect/Greens.

    Their next explosion (probably post 2020) will come when they actually grasp just how dependent they are on this bloc and all the contradictions of an ultra-conservative religious bloc sitting within a grouping that likes to imagine itself as progressive and liberal rise to the surface.

    So far the Labour senior folk are prepared to ignore the sexism in return for votes.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11581329/Senior-Labour-politicians-Liam-Byrne-and-Tom-Watson-attend-segregated-Muslim-rally.html
    Did Mrs Harman say anything to Mr Harman afterwards?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited 2016 23
    Sandpit said:

    Alex Hales, this is a Test match not a one-dayer.

    He is totally unsuitable for opening in Test cricket. England still have several big problems with its test team, of which solid opener is the biggest. This has currently papered over by the fact we have the best batsman in the world.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Rayland is so sexy. She clearly loves you more.
    malcolmg said:

    Did you enjoy Justified or Elementary?

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.

    There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
    It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves

    "A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.

    Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.

    Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’
    He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.

    A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-3412616/How-Labour-turned-London-foreign-city.html#ixzz3y4OUF3u8
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
    The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
    Malcolm, you're the child of immigrants and I think you're wonderful. You enrich Ayrshire with your pungent vibrancy.
    You falling for my charms Monica

    PS : as ever your grasp of fact sis somewhat lacking , my great grandparents on one side came from Northern Ireland and were most likely children of Scots who had moved there.
    Makes a good story though.
    I was outvoted on Justified , wife did not like it.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2016 23

    AndyJS said:

    isam said:

    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.

    There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
    It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves

    ...........

    Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’
    He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.

    A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-3412616/How-Labour-turned-London-foreign-city.html#ixzz3y4OUF3u8
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
    The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
    It is quite cool, and I am glad it is on my doorstep. But it isn't really English anymore.. Mind you I quite like that I can get on the train 20 mins and be in what might as well be a foreign country then come back home to a place where everyone speaks English
    Funny how the only place where you still find lower-middle class white English people in London are black taxi cabs. Most of the drivers are still that category as far as I can tell.
    The knowledge costs quite a bit, is a real barrrier for new entrants. Compare with New York where many taxi drivers are recent arrivals or Paris where many are Portuguese.

    But with near 50% of London population describing themselves as White British, you cannot be looking very hard if you never meet one!

    Interesting if Nick Clegg or Michael Portillo describe themselves as White British or White Other.
    The figure was 45% in 2011 compared to 60% in 2001. It's probably below 40% now if that trend has continued, and most of them live in places like Kingston, Richmond, Sutton, Bromley, Bexley, Hillingdon, Havering.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    AndyJS said:

    I thought Arabic was a bugger to learn too.

    Would Arabic to Chinese or Japanese be harder than English or German?

    Pulpstar said:

    Is this accurate?

    @BreitbartLondon This is why Japan doesn't take refugees. They value their culture and don't want it diluted. https://t.co/QEaLAUBTGe

    Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
    I've heard that learning to speak Arabic isn't particularly difficult (relative to what people expect). Reading and writing it would be a different matter.
    As an Arabist who learnt it as a 'hard language' in the foreign office, I did not find it particularly difficult. I think I would have a far harder time with Chinese as a tonal language.

    FWIW, the FCO has (or at least had) a hierarchy of languages based on difficulty, from hard through medium to easy. At the hard end were Chinese, Japanese then Arabic a little behind. In the intermediate group were Russian and the Slavic languages. The romance languages were considered on the easy end, with German somewhat harder.

    The difficulty with Arabic is learning a new text where the vowels generally are not written, a couple of new sounds (although the sounds of most Arabic letters are found in the somewhere in British Isles or Europe - there is an English r, a Scottish r and a German r for example, and a glottal stop as in bo''le of beer), but a good phonetics session in the language lab will get most of those relatively easily. After only a short while, only the hard H and the 9ayn are problems for most Brits.

    The grammar is on a par with German. Three cases with both nouns and adjectives having to agree in gender, number (single, dual, plural), article (definitive, indefinite) and case. Verbs are conjugated in masculine and feminine, 1st/2nd/3rd, single/dual/plural.

    Syntax is mostly straightforward - VSO (verb, subject, object)

    The main difficulty is the size of the vocab, and the fact that what most people learn (Classical) is not what most people speak. There are a large number of dialects, with simplified grammar, but letters are pronounced completely differently depending on country - or even locale within a country.

    If you were to want to learn Lebanese spoken Arabic, without learning to read and write, it would not be that more difficult than French, using a Pimsleur type learning process based on hearing, repeating and understanding.
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649

    isam said:
    Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.

    There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
    Sean F has a very different experience if memory serves.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    'Jarramplas' ... The festival finished later Wednesday with musical and gastronomic celebrations.

    Can't be all bad, then! :)
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    AndyJS said:


    The figure was 45% in 2011 compared to 60% in 2001. It's probably below 40% now if that trend has continued, and most of them live in places like Kingston, Richmond, Sutton, Bromley, Bexley, Hillingdon, Havering.

    that' the power of that free market that many of you are dead keen on
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Hope you saw my T Rex snow post upthread, made me chortle.
    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052
    I hate being a Liverpool fan. Just when you hope for a bit of luck...
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited 2016 23
    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

    Glad you're OK. Woke up here to a slight dusting of snow, 26F and winds. So we dodged the bullet. 20 miles north in the north GA mountains they have snow. Nothing like you have though.

    The Weather Channel lives for days like these where they can plonk Jim Cantore down somewhere and he can get excited about thundersnow.

    DirecTV has 2 extra channels today - a sever weather channel and a severe weather mix channel, which features WJLA.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,933
    kle4 said:

    I hate being a Liverpool fan. Just when you hope for a bit of luck...

    Jeez. What the hell was that all about? Obviously not our season, maybe next year...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. T, hope you're alright.

    We had the first of the two polar winters here when Kai was a puppy. The snow was up to his stomach when I took him to alleviate himself in the back garden (his jabs hadn't been done at that stage). Despite having little (and short) fur, it didn't seem to bother him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052
    kle4 said:

    I hate being a Liverpool fan. Just when you hope for a bit of luck...

    Well, the latest shuts me up.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,933
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I hate being a Liverpool fan. Just when you hope for a bit of luck...

    Well, the latest shuts me up.
    Yeeeessssssss!!!!!!!! Norwich 4-5 Liverpool at the end.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,346
    Jurgen Klopp is a genius. He has redefined success at Liverpool.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,755
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I hate being a Liverpool fan. Just when you hope for a bit of luck...

    Well, the latest shuts me up.
    Yeeeessssssss!!!!!!!! Norwich 4-5 Liverpool at the end.
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I hate being a Liverpool fan. Just when you hope for a bit of luck...

    Well, the latest shuts me up.
    You two should both support your home teams.

    Unless you're from the Villa area of Birmingham, in which case I understand ;)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Bloody stupid sport.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I hate being a Liverpool fan. Just when you hope for a bit of luck...

    Well, the latest shuts me up.
    Yeeeessssssss!!!!!!!! Norwich 4-5 Liverpool at the end.
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I hate being a Liverpool fan. Just when you hope for a bit of luck...

    Well, the latest shuts me up.
    You two should both support your home teams.

    Unless you're from the Villa area of Birmingham, in which case I understand ;)
    I think for a long while Villa (or one of the Birmingham teams) might well have been the nearest top flight team to me in the West Country. Failing that, the next nearest football league team is probably Swindon, and I'm supporting that town!
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited 2016 23

    Mr. T, hope you're alright.

    We had the first of the two polar winters here when Kai was a puppy. The snow was up to his stomach when I took him to alleviate himself in the back garden (his jabs hadn't been done at that stage). Despite having little (and short) fur, it didn't seem to bother him.

    Bernie is a short-legged, black and tan Jack Russell (known in polite circles as an Hunt Terrier to avoid the JR slur). This is his first snow, and at only about 10" to the shoulder, I was worried about him negotiating a 3'+ drift at the front door (the back door is like Siberia - taking the full force of the wind, the front is shielded by the house).

    I needn't have worried, the little bugger was bouncing around like a kangaroo on a pogo stick, having a great time. Also, the juniper bushes have formed a wonderful igloo den for him. All in all, he thinks it is great fun.

    For the horses, they have their run in sheds to get out of the weather, and the barn cats have heated beds (yes, this is a luxury spa hotel for animals).

    PS Forgot to mention the bird feeders are like Grand Central - filled up with suet and thistle seeds just before the storm.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. T, Kai was perhaps a little bigger than that at the time (he grew to be reasonably large, around 35kg).

    Glad that Bernie (named after Ecclestone or Sanders? :p ) is alright with the weather.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    As you're around and @MTimT, what's the stance of National Review? They seem to hate Trump on Twitter.
    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

    Glad you're OK. Woke up here to a slight dusting of snow, 26F and winds. So we dodged the bullet. 20 miles north in the north GA mountains they have snow. Nothing like you have though.

    The Weather Channel lives for days like these where they can plonk Jim Cantore down somewhere and he can get excited about thundersnow.

    DirecTV has 2 extra channels today - a sever weather channel and a severe weather mix channel, which features WJLA.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2016 23
    David Herdson did a mistake.
    In the DNC race the third state is Nevada, S.Carolina comes forth, the latest poll from Nevada had Hillary 47 Sanders 43.

    In my opinion if Sanders wins Iowa, then he wins the next 2 states too (N.H., Nevada), there will be tremendous pressure on Hillary to perhaps leave the race if she loses all 3 early states, but she won't drop out and let someone else have a go.

    Hillary's hope is that the black belt states will carry her to victory, but there are only 8 states out of 50 (Maryland, Virginia, N.C, S.C, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi + Arkansas) that victory for her is guaranteed.
    Relying exclusively on african-americans and Bill, in my opinion is not enough, she needs a bigger constituent.
    Sanders relies on whites, and they are still the vast majority in the DNC in the majority of states.

    Conclusion, if Sanders wins Iowa expect a long race, 2008 style.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    mon the stoke, boo to leicester, and goodnight all x
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    As you're around and @MTimT, what's the stance of National Review? They seem to hate Trump on Twitter.

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

    Glad you're OK. Woke up here to a slight dusting of snow, 26F and winds. So we dodged the bullet. 20 miles north in the north GA mountains they have snow. Nothing like you have though.

    The Weather Channel lives for days like these where they can plonk Jim Cantore down somewhere and he can get excited about thundersnow.

    DirecTV has 2 extra channels today - a sever weather channel and a severe weather mix channel, which features WJLA.
    The latest issue of National Review features over 20 articles against Trump, and the cover features a huge headline "Against Trump".

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/national-review-magazine-opposes-donald-trump/
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    As you're around and @MTimT, what's the stance of National Review? They seem to hate Trump on Twitter.

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

    Glad you're OK. Woke up here to a slight dusting of snow, 26F and winds. So we dodged the bullet. 20 miles north in the north GA mountains they have snow. Nothing like you have though.

    The Weather Channel lives for days like these where they can plonk Jim Cantore down somewhere and he can get excited about thundersnow.

    DirecTV has 2 extra channels today - a sever weather channel and a severe weather mix channel, which features WJLA.
    They are right wingers, but within the Establishment stream. They are leading the charge against Trump.

    Once you accept the obvious political leanings of the paper, they have excellent journalists.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Thanxx both. It's so OTT, I wondered if I'd got them wrong as a GOP supportive media!
    MTimT said:

    As you're around and @MTimT, what's the stance of National Review? They seem to hate Trump on Twitter.

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

    Glad you're OK. Woke up here to a slight dusting of snow, 26F and winds. So we dodged the bullet. 20 miles north in the north GA mountains they have snow. Nothing like you have though.

    The Weather Channel lives for days like these where they can plonk Jim Cantore down somewhere and he can get excited about thundersnow.

    DirecTV has 2 extra channels today - a sever weather channel and a severe weather mix channel, which features WJLA.
    They are right wingers, but within the Establishment stream. They are leading the charge against Trump.

    Once you accept the obvious political leanings of the paper, they have excellent journalists.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    As you're around and @MTimT, what's the stance of National Review? They seem to hate Trump on Twitter.

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

    Glad you're OK. Woke up here to a slight dusting of snow, 26F and winds. So we dodged the bullet. 20 miles north in the north GA mountains they have snow. Nothing like you have though.

    The Weather Channel lives for days like these where they can plonk Jim Cantore down somewhere and he can get excited about thundersnow.

    DirecTV has 2 extra channels today - a sever weather channel and a severe weather mix channel, which features WJLA.
    The latest issue of National Review features over 20 articles against Trump, and the cover features a huge headline "Against Trump".

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/national-review-magazine-opposes-donald-trump/
    There is one article denouncing Trump because he is too extreme on immigration, and then another article going against Trump for being to lenient towards immigrants.
    The National Review is a mess.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited 2016 23
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    As you're around and @MTimT, what's the stance of National Review? They seem to hate Trump on Twitter.

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

    Glad you're OK. Woke up here to a slight dusting of snow, 26F and winds. So we dodged the bullet. 20 miles north in the north GA mountains they have snow. Nothing like you have though.

    The Weather Channel lives for days like these where they can plonk Jim Cantore down somewhere and he can get excited about thundersnow.

    DirecTV has 2 extra channels today - a sever weather channel and a severe weather mix channel, which features WJLA.
    The latest issue of National Review features over 20 articles against Trump, and the cover features a huge headline "Against Trump".

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/national-review-magazine-opposes-donald-trump/
    There is one article denouncing Trump because he is too extreme on immigration, and then another article going against Trump for being to lenient towards immigrants.
    The National Review is a mess.
    Simply because they have articles making different arguments does not make a publication a mess. It was established by William F Buckley as a multi-author conservative publication. The clue is in the 'multi-author' part - contributors write their own opinions, not the publication's line.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Thanxx both. It's so OTT, I wondered if I'd got them wrong as a GOP supportive media!

    MTimT said:

    As you're around and @MTimT, what's the stance of National Review? They seem to hate Trump on Twitter.

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Barring the hype about snowmageddon, the forecasters have probably got this storm about right. They were forecasting about 2' for DC, which usually means around 3' hereabouts (we're at the highest point in Montgomery County, MD). I shoveled about 5" from the path last night, and just shoveled about 30" now so the puppy could go out to pee. Allowing for drifting, we're probably around 18" so far with another 6 hours of 'blizzard conditions' until the worst is past.

    Glad the wife bought a snowblower yesterday. We have eight 16' gates to clear so the tractor can get through with the plough to clear a path to get hay to the horses.

    Glad you're OK. Woke up here to a slight dusting of snow, 26F and winds. So we dodged the bullet. 20 miles north in the north GA mountains they have snow. Nothing like you have though.

    The Weather Channel lives for days like these where they can plonk Jim Cantore down somewhere and he can get excited about thundersnow.

    DirecTV has 2 extra channels today - a sever weather channel and a severe weather mix channel, which features WJLA.
    They are right wingers, but within the Establishment stream. They are leading the charge against Trump.

    Once you accept the obvious political leanings of the paper, they have excellent journalists.
    Buckley helped lay the groundwork for the Reagan-type, deeply conservative laissez-faire GOP. Trump offends every sinew of that type of conservative.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492



    I'm growing ever more confident and optimistic we'll vote Out.

    Although I don't share any of your opinions on the EU I believe that you are absolutely correct to be confident of an OUT vote.

    The main problem that we on the REMAIN side face is that Cameron is helping the OUT side with his renegotiating efforts. It's very hard to sell the idea of the EU as a positive when we have a PM who (increasingly unconvincingly) claims to be in favour of REMAIN yet is busy trying to cut the UK adrift from significant parts of the EU.

    "If the EU is so good then how come Cameron wants us to only be bit part players in it?" Would be a very fair question to ask someone like myself who wants to REMAIN. In all honestly I can't give an easy answer to that. Because of Cameron's mucking about the REMAIN campaign falls at the very first hurdle.

    I wanted a REMAIN/OUT referendum not a tatteredREMAINS/OUT referendum and, really, I'm not convinced I'll turn out to vote if it's tatteredREMAINS versus OUT.



    I'm not sure.

    There are plenty of people who are very heavily flirting with Leave (and are outraged by the EU migrant crisis) but still seem to be unsure how they will vote on the day, including several regulars on this forum.

    I don't know if it's fear of change, or some sort of warped Stockholm syndrome going on, but I bet many of those currently declaring an inclination to Leave will vote Remain on the day.

    There's even one regular poster on here who thinks he might vote Remain whilst wanting Leave to win.
    You're reading too much into it, these people supposedly being undecided are simply waiting for Cameron to officially play his hand then they'll follow suit. They know that Leave means Cameron resigns with his tail between his legs, that is an unthinkable position for pb Tories, regardless of their own EU stance.
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