"Quick Oscars question. This fuss about not enough black skinned nominations, how many are there typically compared to now?
I'm in the Rampling corner here.'
The fuss will continue until they get a quota that guarantees nominations irrespective of performance, to be followed by more whinging when guaranteed nominations doesn't result in Oscars
@Casino_Royale We here on this forum will tend to be alot less risk averse than the general populus (It is a betting forum after all). And Remain is the option that will appeal to risk averse people, all else being equal. LEAVE has to push the migrant angle due to this, but it's an in built advantage REMAIN has that I can't see disappearing with the vote.
Take me, for example. I am 100% for Leave - which I view as a no-brainer to restore maximum self-government to our own country and people - but my betting is different.
I can see a Remain vote anywhere from 45%-62% but I've placed my only bet with £20 at 8/1 with Ladbrokes in the 60-65% Remain vote bracket. Because I felt the evidence showed it to be value.
Never has there been a bet in my life I hope I lose more decisivley.
My Chinese wife asked why all the fuss about race is always about black people. Where's the fuss about lack of oriental Oscar nominees? Or Indian ones?
It's quite simple - the stereotype of Chinese people is as successful. The same for Indians (from India!). Therefore, in the eyes of regressive progressives, they don't count as "real" minorities.
Hence comments about "all white" companies in Silicon Valley - in fact various minority groups are generally well represented. But they they don't count....
Indeed blacks , Hispanics and Muslims tend to vote for leftwing parties while Chinese and Hindu voters vote for rightwing parties
Kinda on topic, I just discovered from a piece on The Daily Show last week that gambling on the election is illegal in the USA.
The piece talks about betting on the US election in the UK and gave a bunch of pro sports-bettors in the US a briefing on the candidates before asking them to recommend bets.
We should just Leave. The EU is a rancid cesspool whose only collective target is its own perpetuation. The Euro was clearly designed by the KGB back in the day - a more perfect engine of financial and social destruction one could not rqas on now.
All the PIIGS, except Greece, have declining government debt to GDP. All the PIIGS run current account surpluses. All the PIIGS have lower private sector debt to GDP than the UK.
Portugal might get into financial trouble this year, and Greece is still a fuck up, but Italy and Spain are both in significantly better shape than they were two years ago: whether from s labour market flexibility perspective, a banking solvency perspective, a government deficit perspective, or a trade perspective.
Careful you are in danger of shedding some reality into the world of fruit loops. Plus we are not on the Euro and so not shackled to anything. Plus again even if out of the EU we would still have to trade and deal with it and negotiate with it. The EU is not going anywhere and is staying right on our borders and its success or failure will impact on us all the time. Most immigration from the EU is Christian immigration. Most Muslim immigration most Hindu immigration most Buddhist immigration - speak it softly most coloured immigration - is mainly as a result of our colonial past. It's pretty pathetic that the anti EU campaign is reduced to a spittlefest of anti colour/ Muslim / Arab invective. Do they really expect this BNP-lite approach to work?
"Do they really expect this BNP-lite approach to work?"
Yes. They do. And so far it's working. See the polls. It's Project Fear in reverse. Suck it up, you europhile fool.
I would not be bothered about leaving the EU and joining the EEA. No matter what course we take the EU will not go away. But if you want to associate with the BNP crowd go ahead. How many coloured Muslim Poles have come to Britain as opposed to white Catholics. Where does the EU figure when it comes to commonwealth immigrants? The BNPliters will just alienate themselves.
To comment on David Herdson's scenario downthread (if it was he?) either Norman Tebbit or Jeremy Clarkson as putative Tory leader and PM would comprehensively beat Jeremy Corbyn in a General Election.
In fact, their politics would be highly attractive to a chunk of the remaining Labour WWC base, not to mention UKIPers. Not unlike Trump.
I admit I seldom watch films and the Oscars pass me by. Actors, and luvvies in particular, don't rank high on my list of priorities. I suspect the nominations are a mass of subjective views and very likely to be racist, sexist and any other other -ist that is possible. Trying to make subjective views objective seems a exercise in futility. I like certain films that others will hate, does that make me wrong?
As far as I'm concerned, they can nominate black actors only and I'd lose no sleep over it.
I think people may have misinterpreted my comment.
Personally I couldn't really give a sh1t who wins an Oscar. It's a relevant to me as the Association of Glass Windscreen Makers awarding a prize to the Best Glass Windscreen Maker of the year.
In principle, if a black candidate is the best then they should win. In reality, whatever.
My Chinese wife asked why all the fuss about race is always about black people. Where's the fuss about lack of oriental Oscar nominees? Or Indian ones?
It's quite simple - the stereotype of Chinese people is as successful. The same for Indians (from India!). Therefore, in the eyes of regressive progressives, they don't count as "real" minorities.
Hence comments about "all white" companies in Silicon Valley - in fact various minority groups are generally well represented. But they they don't count....
I suspect you're right and it reflects back extremely painfully on the black population. Maybe their relative failure is innate rather than inflicted.
Depends what field, there are many black Premier league footballers and Olympic gold medallists in athletics, virtually none from Indian or Oriental backgrounds
I see that the Tory research Department (or Scot P as they are sometimes known) are/is brimming with jealously that Salmond is now a best selling author. Mind you citing a nine month old report is pretty poor, even by Tory standards.
In fact Salmond's company is now a limited one (check the parliamentary register) and makes no difference whatsoever to his tax liabilities, unless he stops earning any time soon which seems unlikely. It is also registered in Scotland.
Incidentally while checking the Scottish register I came across Salmond's very long list of charitable contributions (published under the Scottish system) including the fact that he donated ALL of an impressive £12,500 speaking fee from the Bank of America to four Scottish charities. Can Scot P, or any other Tory, think of a unionist MP who would have done that?
No-doubt Malcolm Rifikind and Jack Straw when they were caught in that recent sting operation were on the very cusp of donating their fees they were seeking to charity!!!
@Casino_Royale We here on this forum will tend to be alot less risk averse than the general populus (It is a betting forum after all). And Remain is the option that will appeal to risk averse people, all else being equal. LEAVE has to push the migrant angle due to this, but it's an in built advantage REMAIN has that I can't see disappearing with the vote.
Take me, for example. I am 100% for Leave - which I view as a no-brainer to restore maximum self-government to our own country and people - but my betting is different.
I can see a Remain vote anywhere from 45%-62% but I've placed my only bet with £20 at 8/1 with Ladbrokes in the 60-65% Remain vote bracket. Because I felt the evidence showed it to be value.
Never has there been a bet in my life I hope I lose more decisivley.
Normally people are lieing when they say they don't want to win a bet. I assume you don't want to lose it by having remain on 66% though ? Yes, I hope you lose your £20 too !
I find Sympathy Oscars the worst. Like ones awarded late in a career for a mediocre performance to make up for being beaten to the punch before.
TBH, I pay less attention to films with a political or racial aspect re Oscars. They get loads of nominations even when less than fabulous. There's so much virtue signalling.
"Quick Oscars question. This fuss about not enough black skinned nominations, how many are there typically compared to now?
I'm in the Rampling corner here.'
The fuss will continue until they get a quota that guarantees nominations irrespective of performance, to be followed by more whinging when guaranteed nominations doesn't result in Oscars
@Casino_Royale We here on this forum will tend to be alot less risk averse than the general populus (It is a betting forum after all). And Remain is the option that will appeal to risk averse people, all else being equal. LEAVE has to push the migrant angle due to this, but it's an in built advantage REMAIN has that I can't see disappearing with the vote.
Take me, for example. I am 100% for Leave - which I view as a no-brainer to restore maximum self-government to our own country and people - but my betting is different.
I can see a Remain vote anywhere from 45%-62% but I've placed my only bet with £20 at 8/1 with Ladbrokes in the 60-65% Remain vote bracket. Because I felt the evidence showed it to be value.
Never has there been a bet in my life I hope I lose more decisivley.
Normally people are lieing when they say they don't want to win a bet. I assume you don't want to lose it by having remain on 66% though ? Yes, I hope you lose your £20 too !
If I win, I will use the winnings to spend a long weekend drinking myself into oblivion.
Reported on Twitter that Germany has lost track of 600,000 migrants. Unsure of veracity, of course.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Taffys, disagree. Even if Cameron tried that, and I don't think he will, the PCP would end his reign.
If they've lost track of these people then they shouldn't quote a number. They can only say that they've lost control and chaos reigns. The numbers are anyone's guess.
I think it's misleading reporting.
IIRC, there were 1.2m registered initially and now there are 600K. Some of those are probably misregistrations, some will have been double counted, some will have absconded. "Lost track of" implies that they all exist, which I'm not sure they do
All the PIIGS, except Greece, have declining government debt to GDP. All the PIIGS run current account surpluses. All the PIIGS have lower private sector debt to GDP than the UK.
Portugal might get into financial trouble this year, and Greece is still a fuck up, but Italy and Spain are both in significantly better shape than they were two years ago: whether from s labour market flexibility perspective, a banking solvency perspective, a government deficit perspective, or a trade perspective.
Careful you are in danger of shedding some reality into the world of fruit loops. Plus we are not on the Euro and so not shackled to anything. Plus again even if out of the EU we would still have to trade and deal with it and negotiate with it. The EU is not going anywhere and is staying right on our borders and its success or failure will impact on us all the time. Most immigration from the EU is Christian immigration. Most Muslim immigration most Hindu immigration most Buddhist immigration - speak it softly most coloured immigration - is mainly as a result of our colonial past. It's pretty pathetic that the anti EU campaign is reduced to a spittlefest of anti colour/ Muslim / Arab invective. Do they really expect this BNP-lite approach to work?
"Do they really expect this BNP-lite approach to work?"
Yes. They do. And so far it's working. See the polls. It's Project Fear in reverse. Suck it up, you europhile fool.
I would not be bothered about leaving the EU and joining the EEA. No matter what course we take the EU will not go away. But if you want to associate with the BNP crowd go ahead. How many coloured Muslim Poles have come to Britain as opposed to white Catholics. Where does the EU figure when it comes to commonwealth immigrants? The BNPliters will just alienate themselves.
That's not true. It is quite possible the EU falls apart. Realistically, I'd reckon there's only a little better than evens chance in makes it 2025 without serious changes or falling apart.
My (near constant) issue is that people really don't understand economics very well. The two best performing economies in the Eurozone in 2015 were PIIGS. It is highly likely the same two countries will top the league table again in 2016. The country with the highest manufacturing PMI - of the 14 largest economies in the world - is a different PIIGS country.
There are many ways the EU and/or the Eurozone could collapse. But "the garlic belt" entering into a downward debt spiral (a replay of Eurozone Crisis I) simply is not likely.
@MullingKintyre: Alex Salmond sets up private firm to handle publishing cash & can therefore avoid paying income tax in Scotland! https://t.co/fegcpyUyEo
You cannot beat Tory **nkers, you mean he has set up a company like millions of other people.
My Chinese wife asked why all the fuss about race is always about black people. Where's the fuss about lack of oriental Oscar nominees? Or Indian ones?
It's quite simple - the stereotype of Chinese people is as successful. The same for Indians (from India!). Therefore, in the eyes of regressive progressives, they don't count as "real" minorities.
Hence comments about "all white" companies in Silicon Valley - in fact various minority groups are generally well represented. But they they don't count....
I suspect you're right and it reflects back extremely painfully on the black population. Maybe their relative failure is innate rather than inflicted.
Depends what field, there are many black Premier league footballers and Olympic gold medallists in athletics, virtually none from Indian or Oriental backgrounds
The fuss will continue until they get a quota that guarantees nominations irrespective of performance, to be followed by more whinging when guaranteed nominations doesn't result in Oscars
There should be an entire 'Acting Of Black Origin' awards similar to the MOBOs. It would be inclusive of course and white actors who put in performances with enough swagger and attitude would be eligible.
I was surprised to learn that there are more muslims than Sikhs in the UK generally at 11 or 12 or whatever it was, I knew far far more Sikhs than any other ethnic minority in my formative years - but perhaps thats something to do with going to a private school in Coventry.
Reported on Twitter that Germany has lost track of 600,000 migrants. Unsure of veracity, of course.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Taffys, disagree. Even if Cameron tried that, and I don't think he will, the PCP would end his reign.
If they've lost track of these people then they shouldn't quote a number. They can only say that they've lost control and chaos reigns. The numbers are anyone's guess.
I think it's misleading reporting.
IIRC, there were 1.2m registered initially and now there are 600K. Some of those are probably misregistrations, some will have been double counted, some will have absconded. "Lost track of" implies that they all exist, which I'm not sure they do
Hah! Your problem is you are sane and not on drugs. Any fool knows there are 3 millions of the barstewards running round raping any goat that moves.
I was surprised to learn that there are more muslims than Sikhs in the UK generally at 11 or 12 or whatever it was, I knew far far more Sikhs than any other ethnic minority in my formative years - but perhaps thats something to do with going to a private school in Coventry.
I went to a school in Bedford that was about 60% Muslim
@Casino_Royale We here on this forum will tend to be alot less risk averse than the general populus (It is a betting forum after all). And Remain is the option that will appeal to risk averse people, all else being equal. LEAVE has to push the migrant angle due to this, but it's an in built advantage REMAIN has that I can't see disappearing with the vote.
Take me, for example. I am 100% for Leave - which I view as a no-brainer to restore maximum self-government to our own country and people - but my betting is different.
I can see a Remain vote anywhere from 45%-62% but I've placed my only bet with £20 at 8/1 with Ladbrokes in the 60-65% Remain vote bracket. Because I felt the evidence showed it to be value.
Never has there been a bet in my life I hope I lose more decisivley.
Normally people are lieing when they say they don't want to win a bet. I assume you don't want to lose it by having remain on 66% though ? Yes, I hope you lose your £20 too !
If I win, I will use the winnings to spend a long weekend drinking myself into oblivion.
If it's 66% I might just walk off a cliff!
I bet on a Yes vote in the Scottish Indyref of 45-50%. It was 44.7% !
I find Sympathy Oscars the worst. Like ones awarded late in a career for a mediocre performance to make up for being beaten to the punch before.
TBH, I pay less attention to films with a political or racial aspect re Oscars. They get loads of nominations even when less than fabulous. There's so much virtue signalling.
"Quick Oscars question. This fuss about not enough black skinned nominations, how many are there typically compared to now?
I'm in the Rampling corner here.'
The fuss will continue until they get a quota that guarantees nominations irrespective of performance, to be followed by more whinging when guaranteed nominations doesn't result in Oscars
The Leo DiCaprio Award, as it will be called this year.
I see that the Tory research Department (or Scot P as they are sometimes known) are/is brimming with jealously that Salmond is now a best selling author. Mind you citing a nine month old report is pretty poor, even by Tory standards.
In fact Salmond's company is now a limited one (check the parliamentary register) and makes no difference whatsoever to his tax liabilities, unless he stops earning any time soon which seems unlikely. It is also registered in Scotland.
Incidentally while checking the Scottish register I came across Salmond's very long list of charitable contributions (published under the Scottish system) including the fact that he donated ALL of an impressive £12,500 speaking fee from the Bank of America to four Scottish charities. Can Scot P, or any other Tory, think of a unionist MP who would have done that?
No-doubt Malcolm Rifikind and Jack Straw when they were caught in that recent sting operation were on the very cusp of donating their fees they were seeking to charity!!!
LOL, bet Scott is too busy ironing his union jack underpants to respond to your trashing of his blatant lie.
As an aside, Japan is hardly without its problems! It's had economic stagnation for more than 20 years. It's government debt-to-GDP makes the Greek's look good, and with a TFR that remains stubbornly below 2, its demographic problems are stubborn and almost unsolvable.
To comment on David Herdson's scenario downthread (if it was he?) either Norman Tebbit or Jeremy Clarkson as putative Tory leader and PM would comprehensively beat Jeremy Corbyn in a General Election.
In fact, their politics would be highly attractive to a chunk of the remaining Labour WWC base, not to mention UKIPers. Not unlike Trump.
Depends on the circumstances, Corbyn would certainly have a better chance against them than Cameron it would pitch a Hague 2001 campaign against Foot 1983
Kinda on topic, I just discovered from a piece on The Daily Show last week that gambling on the election is illegal in the USA.
The piece talks about betting on the US election in the UK and gave a bunch of pro sports-bettors in the US a briefing on the candidates before asking them to recommend bets.
Apparently the show is syndicated to Sky in the UK. Hence the lockout.
It was more entertaining than informative to the PB audience, but only five minutes long. Didn't go into detail about odds etc. as there's no legal US markets, but was sympathetic to the idea of legalising gambling as a route to engaging with non-voting demographics. Mentioned that turnout in the UK is much higher than in the US and that we are all betting on their election and as a result more informed than the average American!
@MullingKintyre: Alex Salmond sets up private firm to handle publishing cash & can therefore avoid paying income tax in Scotland! https://t.co/fegcpyUyEo
You cannot beat Tory **nkers, you mean he has set up a company like millions of other people.
Yes he has, they did it to avoid tax as well.
Another ignoramus that just accepts a lie at face value. Go research the reality you halfwit. He pays all his taxes , gives lots to charity as well. Tories really earn their NASTY tag for sure.
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
much easier than chinese. not so easy to get here from the middle east tho
Japan is a long way from anywhere.
The truth is that 4,000 miles of land across multiple (difficult to cross) countries, ending in a long sea crossing makes Japan about 1,000x harder to get to for your average North African or Syrian than Greece or Italy.
I find Sympathy Oscars the worst. Like ones awarded late in a career for a mediocre performance to make up for being beaten to the punch before.
TBH, I pay less attention to films with a political or racial aspect re Oscars. They get loads of nominations even when less than fabulous. There's so much virtue signalling.
"Quick Oscars question. This fuss about not enough black skinned nominations, how many are there typically compared to now?
I'm in the Rampling corner here.'
The fuss will continue until they get a quota that guarantees nominations irrespective of performance, to be followed by more whinging when guaranteed nominations doesn't result in Oscars
The whole circus is bollox, overpaid nonenties clapping each other ( or stabbing ) on the back.
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
I would have thought the fact they would already know the Latin alphabet would make Europe easier.
But - truth be told - the main reason they don't go to Japan is because they can't get there. From Syria to Japan involves crossing:
Iraq Iran Arfghanistan Pakistan China North Korea and South Korea
You could skip the Koreas and go from China, but then you'd have a 600km boat ride across the East China Sea. Which would almost certainly end in death.
I find Sympathy Oscars the worst. Like ones awarded late in a career for a mediocre performance to make up for being beaten to the punch before.
TBH, I pay less attention to films with a political or racial aspect re Oscars. They get loads of nominations even when less than fabulous. There's so much virtue signalling.
"Quick Oscars question. This fuss about not enough black skinned nominations, how many are there typically compared to now?
I'm in the Rampling corner here.'
The fuss will continue until they get a quota that guarantees nominations irrespective of performance, to be followed by more whinging when guaranteed nominations doesn't result in Oscars
The Leo DiCaprio Award, as it will be called this year.
It's all a self indulgent jamboree a marketing exercise. Obviously important to the winners in terms of getting big salaries for their next films. But in reality (with a few notable exceptions) who can say that one performance really is so much better than another as to merit a prize. To get nominated may be worthy, but there can be little difference between them. The voters have their friends and enemies, likes dislikes and their own aspirations. Mind you its probably less corrupt than the 100m final in the Olympics or your average IPL game.
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
English is alot more global than Japanese ! Also if you're setting off from Africa or the Middle east, England is alot easier to reach heading through Europe than the whole Middle east -> Middle asia -> China/Russia -> SIberia/North Korea -> Crossing the Japan sea (a few hundred miles from South Korea). JApan is bloody hard to get to from the common migrant places.
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
I think if Japan were handing out free housing, benefits, health care, etc. to anyone who arrived, people would probably force themselves to learn the language no matter how hard it is.
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
Arabic is almost impossible to learn if it's not your native language! Especially so when most educated Arabs speak very good English.
Same with Russian, Chinese etc. It's that you have to learn the alphabet as well as the language. Most European languages OTOH not only use the same alphabet but also similar grammatical rules.
Apologies Mr Herdson I'm sure your piece is as informative and well written as usual, I'm more concerned with the latest nanny state nonsense we have to endure.
This bloke has to tell the police 24 hours before he has sex. I'm struggling to think of a more ridiculous ruling.
Tell you what, why not start your own blog and write an article there for the world to read. Or perhaps you could buy a copy of the Express and shout at passing pigeons.
He's right about the sex ruling though. It is one of the most ridiculous rulings ever handed out by a British court.
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
I think if Japan were handing out free housing, benefits, health care, etc. to anyone who arrived, people would probably force themselves to learn the language no matter how hard it is.
Although they still wouldnt be able to physically get to Japan. Unless you plan on crossing the North Korea / South Korea border, you have a 600km swim across the East China Sea.
The truth is that 4,000 miles of land across multiple (difficult to cross) countries, ending in a long sea crossing makes Japan about 1,000x harder to get to for your average North African or Syrian than Greece or Italy.
you'd have to be kind of mental to make it your first choice, unless you already had some kind of connection. also harder to live off the record here - there are millions of beaurocrats and records for everything. e.g. if you buy a car you have to register wher you are going to park it...
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
I would have thought the fact they would already know the Latin alphabet would make Europe easier.
But - truth be told - the main reason they don't go to Japan is because they can't get there. From Syria to Japan involves crossing:
Iraq Iran Arfghanistan Pakistan China North Korea and South Korea
You could skip the Koreas and go from China, but then you'd have a 600km boat ride across the East China Sea. Which would almost certainly end in death.
Does Japan need immigrants? We keep bearing its economy is stagnating. Is its population aging or declining (like Russia's for instance). One part of the solution is to end the need for migration. Iraq Iran Syria need to come to terms with themselves the region needs an end to its civil wars. Unfortunately a lot more people will have to die I think before that point is reached. Once again we see the UN failing in its principal remit.
England finally break that partnership, but way too late. If they can get close to 500 that will test England's patience in a series they've already won. SA 468/9
I seem to recall a bit of debate about these numbers ages ago, but they're being used
Ethnic minority voters have long been one of Labour's greatest electoral assets. In 2010, 68 per cent voted for the party, compared to just 16 per cent for the Conservatives. But in 2015 this pattern went into reverse. Labour's share declined to 52 per cent, while the Tories' more than doubled to 33 per cent (according to a British Future/Survation poll): the best result in their history.
This dramatic shift has attracted surprisingly little comment since the election but in a speech today Chuka Umunna will aim to change that. Addressing Unison’s 2016 National Black Members’ Conference, the former shadow business secretary will warn that Labour is "shedding votes from different ethnic minority communities to the Tories" and that it has "not a hope in hell of retaining all our current seats, let alone make any enough gains and winning the next general election if we continue to lose ethnic minority votes at this rate."
Considering the massive Labour votes piled up in the inner cities I find those numbers unlikely.
According to the MCB these constituencies have at least 20% Muslim populations (with change in Labour vote share in 2015):
Birmingham Hodge Hill Lab +16% Bradford W Lab +4% Birmingham Hall Green Lab +27% East Ham Lab +7% Bradford E Lab +14% Blackburn Lab +9% Bethnal Green Lab +18% Birmingham Ladywood Lab +18% Ilford S Lab +15% Poplar Lab +19% Manchester Gorton Lab +17% Leicester S Lab +14% West Ham Lab +6% Walthamstow Lab +17% Luton S Lab +9% Oldham W Lab +7% Edmonton Lab +8% Slough Lab +3% Rochdale Lab +10% Birmingham Perry Barr Lab +7% Leyton Lab +15% Westminster N Lab +3% Luton N Lab +3% Brent C Lab +21% Birmingham Yardley Lab +9% Leicester E Lab +7%
Not much evidence of a collapse in Labour support among non-white voters there.
A few thoughts:
1) There will be differences between Muslim voters, ethnic minority voters in general and other specific ethnic minority in particular.
2) Labour would have been boosted by those constituencies increasing their ethnic minority proportion even if voting within ethnic groups didn't change.
3) All those constituencies are Labour held and with the exception of Westminster North are safe to ultra safe Labour. Corbynista pandering to Muslim voters is thus unlikely to gain Labour many new MPs.
Indeed the Bush family loathe Trump after he deprived Jeb of his birthright and I fully expect the Bushes to vote for Hillary over Trump in the privacy of the booth
In and of itself, it's not a problem. If they won't stock alcohol, someone else will.
Curiously, the hardest place I've found to get a drink in the UK was Southall, as devout Hindus and Sikhs won't touch alcohol.
But that's just the market: I don't know Southall, but if a high percentage of local residents are non-consumers, then the demand just isn't there
There are non drinking sikhs ?!
Not the ones I've met...
Once worked with a Sikh who refiused to attend events in the hospital post-grad centre because there was a bar there.
Sikh weddings are legendary for drunkeness. Bottles of spirits on every table at a colleagues of mine.
I've been to both types, the raucous party that lasts for three days and the dry event with the vegetarian buffet. At the latter the bride and groom were two hours late, there was almost a riot as the whole hotel was dry and everyone was fed up with waiting!
My Chinese wife asked why all the fuss about race is always about black people. Where's the fuss about lack of oriental Oscar nominees? Or Indian ones?
It's quite simple - the stereotype of Chinese people is as successful. The same for Indians (from India!). Therefore, in the eyes of regressive progressives, they don't count as "real" minorities.
Hence comments about "all white" companies in Silicon Valley - in fact various minority groups are generally well represented. But they they don't count....
I suspect you're right and it reflects back extremely painfully on the black population. Maybe their relative failure is innate rather than inflicted.
Cultural, arguably. If you think it is innate you are getting into very murky water.
In and of itself, it's not a problem. If they won't stock alcohol, someone else will.
Curiously, the hardest place I've found to get a drink in the UK was Southall, as devout Hindus and Sikhs won't touch alcohol.
But that's just the market: I don't know Southall, but if a high percentage of local residents are non-consumers, then the demand just isn't there
There are non drinking sikhs ?!
Not the ones I've met...
Once worked with a Sikh who refiused to attend events in the hospital post-grad centre because there was a bar there.
Sikh weddings are legendary for drunkeness. Bottles of spirits on every table at a colleagues of mine.
I've been to both types, the raucous party that lasts for three days and the dry event with the vegetarian buffet. At the latter the bride and groom were two hours late, there was almost a riot as the whole hotel was dry and everyone was fed up with waiting!
Does Japan need immigrants? We keep bearing its economy is stagnating. Is its population aging or declining (like Russia's for instance). One part of the solution is to end the need for migration. Iraq Iran Syria need to come to terms with themselves the region needs an end to its civil wars. Unfortunately a lot more people will have to die I think before that point is reached. Once again we see the UN failing in its principal remit.
well, japan needs young people, or robots, or something or other to deal with the glut of pensioners for the next 30-odd years. Also teh average age of a japanese farmer is 70. so something needs to change. The Abe solution (sort of) is to get a load more women into the workplace. The male politicians\bureaucarts in charge of this are, however, hopelessly inept. Remains to be seen how this will turn out
In and of itself, it's not a problem. If they won't stock alcohol, someone else will.
Curiously, the hardest place I've found to get a drink in the UK was Southall, as devout Hindus and Sikhs won't touch alcohol.
But that's just the market: I don't know Southall, but if a high percentage of local residents are non-consumers, then the demand just isn't there
There are non drinking sikhs ?!
Not the ones I've met...
Once worked with a Sikh who refiused to attend events in the hospital post-grad centre because there was a bar there.
Sikh weddings are legendary for drunkeness. Bottles of spirits on every table at a colleagues of mine.
I've been to both types, the raucous party that lasts for three days and the dry event with the vegetarian buffet. At the latter the bride and groom were two hours late, there was almost a riot as the whole hotel was dry and everyone was fed up with waiting!
a caste issue, maybe? I seem to meet a variety of (Hindu) Indians with extremely variable dietary restrictions. could be the same for Sikhs?
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
According to the MCB these constituencies have at least 20% Muslim populations (with change in Labour vote share in 2015):
Birmingham Hodge Hill Lab +16% Bradford W Lab +4% Birmingham Hall Green Lab +27% East Ham Lab +7% Bradford E Lab +14% Blackburn Lab +9% Bethnal Green Lab +18% Birmingham Ladywood Lab +18% Ilford S Lab +15% Poplar Lab +19% Manchester Gorton Lab +17% Leicester S Lab +14% West Ham Lab +6% Walthamstow Lab +17% Luton S Lab +9% Oldham W Lab +7% Edmonton Lab +8% Slough Lab +3% Rochdale Lab +10% Birmingham Perry Barr Lab +7% Leyton Lab +15% Westminster N Lab +3% Luton N Lab +3% Brent C Lab +21% Birmingham Yardley Lab +9% Leicester E Lab +7%
Not much evidence of a collapse in Labour support among non-white voters there.
A few thoughts:
1) There will be differences between Muslim voters, ethnic minority voters in general and other specific ethnic minority in particular.
2) Labour would have been boosted by those constituencies increasing their ethnic minority proportion even if voting within ethnic groups didn't change.
3) All those constituencies are Labour held and with the exception of Westminster North are safe to ultra safe Labour. Corbynista pandering to Muslim voters is thus unlikely to gain Labour many new MPs.
I hold a suspicion that Labour's minority vote will increasingly belong to one religious bloc. Labour are gradually morphing into Respect/Greens.
Their next explosion (probably post 2020) will come when they actually grasp just how dependent they are on this bloc and all the contradictions of an ultra-conservative religious bloc sitting within a grouping that likes to imagine itself as progressive and liberal rise to the surface.
According to the MCB these constituencies have at least 20% Muslim populations (with change in Labour vote share in 2015):
Birmingham Hodge Hill Lab +16% Bradford W Lab +4% Birmingham Hall Green Lab +27% East Ham Lab +7% Bradford E Lab +14% Blackburn Lab +9% Bethnal Green Lab +18% Birmingham Ladywood Lab +18% Ilford S Lab +15% Poplar Lab +19% Manchester Gorton Lab +17% Leicester S Lab +14% West Ham Lab +6% Walthamstow Lab +17% Luton S Lab +9% Oldham W Lab +7% Edmonton Lab +8% Slough Lab +3% Rochdale Lab +10% Birmingham Perry Barr Lab +7% Leyton Lab +15% Westminster N Lab +3% Luton N Lab +3% Brent C Lab +21% Birmingham Yardley Lab +9% Leicester E Lab +7%
Not much evidence of a collapse in Labour support among non-white voters there.
A few thoughts:
1) There will be differences between Muslim voters, ethnic minority voters in general and other specific ethnic minority in particular.
2) Labour would have been boosted by those constituencies increasing their ethnic minority proportion even if voting within ethnic groups didn't change.
3) All those constituencies are Labour held and with the exception of Westminster North are safe to ultra safe Labour. Corbynista pandering to Muslim voters is thus unlikely to gain Labour many new MPs.
I hold a suspicion that Labour's minority vote will increasingly belong to one religious bloc. Labour are gradually morphing into Respect/Greens.
Their next explosion (probably post 2020) will come when they actually grasp just how dependent they are on this bloc and all the contradictions of an ultra-conservative religious bloc sitting within a grouping that likes to imagine itself as progressive and liberal rise to the surface.
On Thread. Sanders - who's photo is the spitting image of David Starky - is really Sanders of the River, white version. The State of Iowa which borders the Mississippi will one to drown his hopes.
On the other hand, perhaps it is David Starky seeking new pastures.
Indeed the Bush family loathe Trump after he deprived Jeb of his birthright and I fully expect the Bushes to vote for Hillary over Trump in the privacy of the booth
Very impressive insight. Do you know them?
I know both former Bush presidents now do charitable work with Bill Clinton and Jeb Bush despises Trump as is evident from his stump speeches and TV ads and the feeling is mutual, Trump has nothing but contempt for Jeb Bush and his brother and has made that clear in this campaign. It would not be unprecedented, in 1980 the Kennedys were reported to have voted for Reagan due to their loathing of Carter and his defeat of Teddy
I seem to recall a bit of debate about these numbers ages ago, but they're being used
Ethnic minority voters have long been one of Labour's greatest electoral assets. In 2010, 68 per cent voted for the party, compared to just 16 per cent for the Conservatives. But in 2015 this pattern went into reverse. Labour's share declined to 52 per cent, while the Tories' more than doubled to 33 per cent (according to a British Future/Survation poll): the best result in their history.
This dramatic shift has attracted surprisingly little comment since the election but in a speech today Chuka Umunna will aim to change that. Addressing Unison’s 2016 National Black Members’ Conference, the former shadow business secretary will warn that Labour is "shedding votes from different ethnic minority communities to the Tories" and that it has "not a hope in hell of retaining all our current seats, let alone make any enough gains and winning the next general election if we continue to lose ethnic minority votes at this rate."
Considering the massive Labour votes piled up in the inner cities I find those numbers unlikely.
According to the MCB these constituencies have at least 20% Muslim populations (with change in Labour vote share in 2015):
Birmingham Hodge Hill Lab +16% Bradford W Lab +4% Birmingham Hall Green Lab +27% East Ham Lab +7% Bradford E Lab +14% Blackburn Lab +9% Bethnal Green Lab +18% Birmingham Ladywood Lab +18% Ilford S Lab +15% Poplar Lab +19% Manchester Gorton Lab +17% Leicester S Lab +14% West Ham Lab +6% Walthamstow Lab +17% Luton S Lab +9% Oldham W Lab +7% Edmonton Lab +8% Slough Lab +3% Rochdale Lab +10% Birmingham Perry Barr Lab +7% Leyton Lab +15% Westminster N Lab +3% Luton N Lab +3% Brent C Lab +21% Birmingham Yardley Lab +9% Leicester E Lab +7%
Not much evidence of a collapse in Labour support among non-white voters there.
A few thoughts:
1) There will be differences between Muslim voters, ethnic minority voters in general and other specific ethnic minority in particular.
2) Labour would have been boosted by those constituencies increasing their ethnic minority proportion even if voting within ethnic groups didn't change.
3) All those constituencies are Labour held and with the exception of Westminster North are safe to ultra safe Labour. Corbynista pandering to Muslim voters is thus unlikely to gain Labour many new MPs.
The Tories actually won the Hindu vote last May even if Labour won Muslims
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
Arabic is almost impossible to learn if it's not your native language! Especially so when most educated Arabs speak very good English.
Same with Russian, Chinese etc. It's that you have to learn the alphabet as well as the language. Most European languages OTOH not only use the same alphabet but also similar grammatical rules.
Actually, Arabic is pretty easy to learn once you master the basic alphabet and some 3 accent marks. I learned to speak and read basic arabic in 8 weeks, quite a few years ago, though I've lost some of my fluency due to not using the language and laziness.
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
By "reasonable" I assume you mean lefty-liberals with plenty of money which usefully insulates them against the negative effects of migration.
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
I've heard that learning to speak Arabic isn't particularly difficult (relative to what people expect). Reading and writing it would be a different matter.
In and of itself, it's not a problem. If they won't stock alcohol, someone else will.
Curiously, the hardest place I've found to get a drink in the UK was Southall, as devout Hindus and Sikhs won't touch alcohol.
But that's just the market: I don't know Southall, but if a high percentage of local residents are non-consumers, then the demand just isn't there
There are non drinking sikhs ?!
Not the ones I've met...
Once worked with a Sikh who refiused to attend events in the hospital post-grad centre because there was a bar there.
Sikh weddings are legendary for drunkeness. Bottles of spirits on every table at a colleagues of mine.
I've been to both types, the raucous party that lasts for three days and the dry event with the vegetarian buffet. At the latter the bride and groom were two hours late, there was almost a riot as the whole hotel was dry and everyone was fed up with waiting!
I went to a Muslim wedding in Blackburn once. 900 guests in a "big shed" Kutchi community centre. Entirely dry (not surprisingly) and with about 20 non-Muslim guests (either white British or Hindu).
It was an eye opener in many ways, for a local boy done good, one of my medical colleagues. Blackburn was clearly a pretty divided town, in Leicester there is considerably more mixing of communities.
The food was excellent: curry in vast cauldrons, but they had put on an effort for the white guests and we had a special non-spicy buffet on our table. I appreciated the thought and ate it out of politeness, but the curry was far better. White people willing to travel to Blackburn for an Indian wedding are usually quite keen on curry!
Fox jr was about 7 at the time and had a phobia of men with beards, so a wedding with 400 bearded mens was total immersion therapy. Worked a treat, after about an hour of screaming ab-dabs.
Spam fritters, probably one of the more revolting dishes served at my old school during the 70s. - Oddly enough, I also remember corned beef from the same period, which we still have regularly at home, fried with onions as a base for cauliflower cheese.
PIORNAL, Spain (AP) — Hundreds of people have been running through the streets of a tiny town in southwestern Spain, chasing a fancy-dressed, beast-like figure and pelting it with turnips.
The event Wednesday was part of the bizarre 'Jarramplas' festival which is held in Piornal each Jan 19-20. Following the yearly tradition, a town volunteer donned a costume of multicolored ribbons and a protective devilish mask with horns. He then charged through the streets, beating a drum until he couldn't stand the punishment anymore.
Local farmers supplied some 18 tons of turnips for the festival. Its origins are uncertain but the local tourism office says the 'Jarramplas' figure represents a cattle thief. Others say it has religious roots.
The festival finished later Wednesday with musical and gastronomic celebrations.
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
It is quite cool, and I am glad it is on my doorstep. But it isn't really English anymore.. Mind you I quite like that I can get on the train 20 mins and be in what might as well be a foreign country then come back home to a place where everyone speaks English
PIORNAL, Spain (AP) — Hundreds of people have been running through the streets of a tiny town in southwestern Spain, chasing a fancy-dressed, beast-like figure and pelting it with turnips.
The event Wednesday was part of the bizarre 'Jarramplas' festival which is held in Piornal each Jan 19-20. Following the yearly tradition, a town volunteer donned a costume of multicolored ribbons and a protective devilish mask with horns. He then charged through the streets, beating a drum until he couldn't stand the punishment anymore.
Local farmers supplied some 18 tons of turnips for the festival. Its origins are uncertain but the local tourism office says the 'Jarramplas' figure represents a cattle thief. Others say it has religious roots.
The festival finished later Wednesday with musical and gastronomic celebrations.
LOL, thanks Plato , how bizarre and what a waste of good food.
Salmond's book was published the best part of a year ago and reached top 50 in Amazon (which is extraordinary for a political book) and topped the Sunday Times hardback list for two straight weeks in March. A reasonable estimate would be that it outsold the the Daily Telegraph hack (whose name escapes me) attack book on Salmond by at least 10-1!
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
It is quite cool, and I am glad it is on my doorstep. But it isn't really English anymore.. Mind you I quite like that I can get on the train 20 mins and be in what might as well be a foreign country then come back home to a place where everyone speaks English
Funny how the only place where you still find lower-middle class white English people in London are black taxi cabs. Most of the drivers are still that category as far as I can tell.
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
I had you down as a man of culture, unlike me, a barbarian.
Arts ... the only one I'd give tuppence for is a good a painter who draws proper pictures. That Picasso fellow could draw a bit before he went daft and started painting birds with three noses. As for that Jackson Pollock and those sculptors who make bits of metal rubbish I can find in my garage - get a proper job!
"West Indies batsman Shivnarine Chanderpaul has announced his retirement from international cricket. The Guyanese left-hander, 41, made his Test debut in 1994 but was dropped after West Indies' home series against England in May 2015. With 11,867 runs from 164 Tests, he retires as the Windies' second highest run-scorer, only 45 short of Brian Lara's record of 11,912. He is also the seventh-highest Test run-scorer of all time."
@Casino_Royale We here on this forum will tend to be alot less risk averse than the general populus (It is a betting forum after all). And Remain is the option that will appeal to risk averse people, all else being equal. LEAVE has to push the migrant angle due to this, but it's an in built advantage REMAIN has that I can't see disappearing with the vote.
Take me, for example. I am 100% for Leave - which I view as a no-brainer to restore maximum self-government to our own country and people - but my betting is different.
I can see a Remain vote anywhere from 45%-62% but I've placed my only bet with £20 at 8/1 with Ladbrokes in the 60-65% Remain vote bracket. Because I felt the evidence showed it to be value.
Never has there been a bet in my life I hope I lose more decisivley.
Normally people are lieing when they say they don't want to win a bet. I assume you don't want to lose it by having remain on 66% though ? Yes, I hope you lose your £20 too !
If I win, I will use the winnings to spend a long weekend drinking myself into oblivion.
If it's 66% I might just walk off a cliff!
I bet on a Yes vote in the Scottish Indyref of 45-50%. It was 44.7% !
I swore off winning margin bets after a series of brilliantly inspired rugby bets fell 1 point either side of my 5 point margin for several weeks in a row. Couldn't take it mentally.
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
It is quite cool, and I am glad it is on my doorstep. But it isn't really English anymore.. Mind you I quite like that I can get on the train 20 mins and be in what might as well be a foreign country then come back home to a place where everyone speaks English
Funny how the only place where you still find lower-middle class white English people in London are black taxi cabs. Most of the drivers are still that category as far as I can tell.
The knowledge costs quite a bit, is a real barrrier for new entrants. Compare with New York where many taxi drivers are recent arrivals or Paris where many are Portuguese.
But with near 50% of London population describing themselves as White British, you cannot be looking very hard if you never meet one!
Interesting if Nick Clegg or Michael Portillo describe themselves as White British or White Other.
Kinda on topic, I just discovered from a piece on The Daily Show last week that gambling on the election is illegal in the USA.
The piece talks about betting on the US election in the UK and gave a bunch of pro sports-bettors in the US a briefing on the candidates before asking them to recommend bets.
Mentioned that turnout in the UK is much higher than in the US and that we are all betting on their election and as a result more informed than the average American!
That's true, at least as far as PBers are concerned - I'd be willing to bet (geddit?) that most Americans, other than Ohioans, have never heard of John Kesich ......... yet.
Errm not the fact Japanese is bloody hard to learn ?
I've heard that learning to speak Arabic isn't particularly difficult (relative to what people expect). Reading and writing it would be a different matter.
Yes that's probably true. You can learn enough to haggle in a Cairo souq relatively easily, but the formal language is full of mutations and changed endings which can be insulting if you get them wrong, so it's best to stick to English for business.
Written Arabic is as difficult as you think it will be, luckily most of the Middle East is bilingual when it comes to road signs and official notices - although official forms have to be in Arabic so one has to pay a 'typing centre' to fill them in for you!
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
It is quite cool, and I am glad it is on my doorstep. But it isn't really English anymore.. Mind you I quite like that I can get on the train 20 mins and be in what might as well be a foreign country then come back home to a place where everyone speaks English
Funny how the only place where you still find lower-middle class white English people in London are black taxi cabs. Most of the drivers are still that category as far as I can tell.
The knowledge costs quite a bit, is a real barrrier for new entrants. Compare with New York where many taxi drivers are recent arrivals or Paris where many are Portuguese.
But with near 50% of London population describing themselves as White British, you cannot be looking very hard if you never meet one!
Interesting if Nick Clegg or Michael Portillo describe themselves as White British or White Other.
It is a sign of the times isn't it, that citing 50% of Londoners being white British is used as an argument saying there are a lot of them
40 years ago people simply would not have believed it possible there would be so few.. in fact when people predicted it, they were branded scaremongering racists
Imagine it, Lahore 2056 "There are loads of brown skinned Pakistanis here! Almost half the population!"
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
The frothers on here keep telling us how wonderful London is.
Malcolm, you're the child of immigrants and I think you're wonderful. You enrich Ayrshire with your pungent vibrancy.
You falling for my charms Monica
PS : as ever your grasp of fact sis somewhat lacking , my great grandparents on one side came from Northern Ireland and were most likely children of Scots who had moved there. Makes a good story though.
Actually 40 years ago people would believe it. The National Front and Enoch Powell both had strong London followings. Indeed in the 70s Leicester had a substantial NF vote. Nearly vanished now, and generally community relations are pretty good here.
Maybe others have a different experience, but I live in the suburbs of London and I am not being terrorised by Somali gangsters.
There are genuine issues about mass immigration and integration, but when the debate is framed by those kind of headlines reasonable people stop listening.
It is a book that has been written, not just a Daily Mail article, and many of the people telling how awful London has become are immigrants themselves
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’ He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
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"Quick Oscars question. This fuss about not enough black skinned nominations, how many are there typically compared to now?
I'm in the Rampling corner here.'
The fuss will continue until they get a quota that guarantees nominations irrespective of performance, to be followed by more whinging when guaranteed nominations doesn't result in Oscars
I can see a Remain vote anywhere from 45%-62% but I've placed my only bet with £20 at 8/1 with Ladbrokes in the 60-65% Remain vote bracket. Because I felt the evidence showed it to be value.
Never has there been a bet in my life I hope I lose more decisivley.
But if you want to associate with the BNP crowd go ahead. How many coloured Muslim Poles have come to Britain as opposed to white Catholics. Where does the EU figure when it comes to commonwealth immigrants? The BNPliters will just alienate themselves.
In fact, their politics would be highly attractive to a chunk of the remaining Labour WWC base, not to mention UKIPers. Not unlike Trump.
Personally I couldn't really give a sh1t who wins an Oscar. It's a relevant to me as the Association of Glass Windscreen Makers awarding a prize to the Best Glass Windscreen Maker of the year.
In principle, if a black candidate is the best then they should win. In reality, whatever.
I see that the Tory research Department (or Scot P as they are sometimes known) are/is brimming with jealously that Salmond is now a best selling author. Mind you citing a nine month old report is pretty poor, even by Tory standards.
In fact Salmond's company is now a limited one (check the parliamentary register) and makes no difference whatsoever to his tax liabilities, unless he stops earning any time soon which seems unlikely. It is also registered in Scotland.
Incidentally while checking the Scottish register I came across Salmond's very long list of charitable contributions (published under the Scottish system) including the fact that he donated ALL of an impressive £12,500 speaking fee from the Bank of America to four Scottish charities. Can Scot P, or any other Tory, think of a unionist MP who would have done that?
No-doubt Malcolm Rifikind and Jack Straw when they were caught in that recent sting operation were on the very cusp of donating their fees they were seeking to charity!!!
Yes, I hope you lose your £20 too !
Doubt it somehow.
TBH, I pay less attention to films with a political or racial aspect re Oscars. They get loads of nominations even when less than fabulous. There's so much virtue signalling.
Not the ones I've met...
If it's 66% I might just walk off a cliff!
IIRC, there were 1.2m registered initially and now there are 600K. Some of those are probably misregistrations, some will have been double counted, some will have absconded. "Lost track of" implies that they all exist, which I'm not sure they do
My (near constant) issue is that people really don't understand economics very well. The two best performing economies in the Eurozone in 2015 were PIIGS. It is highly likely the same two countries will top the league table again in 2016. The country with the highest manufacturing PMI - of the 14 largest economies in the world - is a different PIIGS country.
There are many ways the EU and/or the Eurozone could collapse. But "the garlic belt" entering into a downward debt spiral (a replay of Eurozone Crisis I) simply is not likely.
EU supporters claim a post-EU Britain would be 'isolated'. In fact, we'd resume our seat at the global top tables. https://t.co/f1O6EwlI3h
@BreitbartLondon This is why Japan doesn't take refugees. They value their culture and don't want it diluted. https://t.co/QEaLAUBTGe
It was more entertaining than informative to the PB audience, but only five minutes long. Didn't go into detail about odds etc. as there's no legal US markets, but was sympathetic to the idea of legalising gambling as a route to engaging with non-voting demographics. Mentioned that turnout in the UK is much higher than in the US and that we are all betting on their election and as a result more informed than the average American!
The truth is that 4,000 miles of land across multiple (difficult to cross) countries, ending in a long sea crossing makes Japan about 1,000x harder to get to for your average North African or Syrian than Greece or Italy.
I know numbers aren't the Nats strong suit......
(For perspective, and author of this parish is:
Amazon Bestsellers Rank:
38,633 in Books (Hardback)
358 in Books (Paperback)
Would Arabic to Chinese or Japanese be harder than English or German?
But - truth be told - the main reason they don't go to Japan is because they can't get there. From Syria to Japan involves crossing:
Iraq
Iran
Arfghanistan
Pakistan
China
North Korea
and
South Korea
You could skip the Koreas and go from China, but then you'd have a 600km boat ride across the East China Sea. Which would almost certainly end in death.
JApan is bloody hard to get to from the common migrant places.
Same with Russian, Chinese etc. It's that you have to learn the alphabet as well as the language. Most European languages OTOH not only use the same alphabet but also similar grammatical rules.
Their analysis was that both Labour and Tory had gained as the Lib Dem voted collapsed.
The LibLabLeft got 80% in 2010 but in 2015 that was down to 69%.
The Tories were up from 16% to 23%.
Once we allow for inner-city concentrations in social housing, do Labour have any advantage over the Tories elsewhere among ethnic minorities?
One part of the solution is to end the need for migration. Iraq Iran Syria need to come to terms with themselves the region needs an end to its civil wars. Unfortunately a lot more people will have to die I think before that point is reached. Once again we see the UN failing in its principal remit.
According to the MCB these constituencies have at least 20% Muslim populations (with change in Labour vote share in 2015):
Birmingham Hodge Hill Lab +16%
Bradford W Lab +4%
Birmingham Hall Green Lab +27%
East Ham Lab +7%
Bradford E Lab +14%
Blackburn Lab +9%
Bethnal Green Lab +18%
Birmingham Ladywood Lab +18%
Ilford S Lab +15%
Poplar Lab +19%
Manchester Gorton Lab +17%
Leicester S Lab +14%
West Ham Lab +6%
Walthamstow Lab +17%
Luton S Lab +9%
Oldham W Lab +7%
Edmonton Lab +8%
Slough Lab +3%
Rochdale Lab +10%
Birmingham Perry Barr Lab +7%
Leyton Lab +15%
Westminster N Lab +3%
Luton N Lab +3%
Brent C Lab +21%
Birmingham Yardley Lab +9%
Leicester E Lab +7%
Not much evidence of a collapse in Labour support among non-white voters there.
A few thoughts:
1) There will be differences between Muslim voters, ethnic minority voters in general and other specific ethnic minority in particular.
2) Labour would have been boosted by those constituencies increasing their ethnic minority proportion even if voting within ethnic groups didn't change.
3) All those constituencies are Labour held and with the exception of Westminster North are safe to ultra safe Labour. Corbynista pandering to Muslim voters is thus unlikely to gain Labour many new MPs.
Three days bleary.
"A Polish builder explains that, on his work site, the English builders tell him angrily they used to be paid £15 an hour. Now it is £7 an hour. ‘They hate me,’ he says simply. But then he gripes about the newly-arrived Romanians who, he says, are pushing wages even lower.
Ben Judah meets a Pole who works as a registrar — recording births and deaths — in Catford Bridge, who says she works in a position that is perfect to spot the ethnic changes. She describes the new London where 57 per cent of births are to migrant mothers. But when she enters the names of the recent dead, they are nearly all of them old white British.
Another migrant comments: ‘The English are dying. They are declining fast.’
He recalls in the street markets, there used to be only English voices shouting out, ‘advertising their wares in the Cockney accent. But they’ve gone now’.
A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-3412616/How-Labour-turned-London-foreign-city.html#ixzz3y4OUF3u8
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Their next explosion (probably post 2020) will come when they actually grasp just how dependent they are on this bloc and all the contradictions of an ultra-conservative religious bloc sitting within a grouping that likes to imagine itself as progressive and liberal rise to the surface.
Sanders - who's photo is the spitting image of David Starky - is really Sanders of the River, white version. The State of Iowa which borders the Mississippi will one to drown his hopes.
On the other hand, perhaps it is David Starky seeking new pastures.
Although in all seriousness it did seem an unlikely claim.
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Birmingham Hodge Hill Lab +16%
Bradford W Lab +4%
Birmingham Hall Green Lab +27%
East Ham Lab +7%
Bradford E Lab +14%
Blackburn Lab +9%
Bethnal Green Lab +18%
Birmingham Ladywood Lab +18%
Ilford S Lab +15%
Poplar Lab +19%
Manchester Gorton Lab +17%
Leicester S Lab +14%
West Ham Lab +6%
Walthamstow Lab +17%
Luton S Lab +9%
Oldham W Lab +7%
Edmonton Lab +8%
Slough Lab +3%
Rochdale Lab +10%
Birmingham Perry Barr Lab +7%
Leyton Lab +15%
Westminster N Lab +3%
Luton N Lab +3%
Brent C Lab +21%
Birmingham Yardley Lab +9%
Leicester E Lab +7%
Not much evidence of a collapse in Labour support among non-white voters there.
A few thoughts:
1) There will be differences between Muslim voters, ethnic minority voters in general and other specific ethnic minority in particular.
2) Labour would have been boosted by those constituencies increasing their ethnic minority proportion even if voting within ethnic groups didn't change.
3) All those constituencies are Labour held and with the exception of Westminster North are safe to ultra safe Labour. Corbynista pandering to Muslim voters is thus unlikely to gain Labour many new MPs.
The Tories actually won the Hindu vote last May even if Labour won Muslims
It was an eye opener in many ways, for a local boy done good, one of my medical colleagues. Blackburn was clearly a pretty divided town, in Leicester there is considerably more mixing of communities.
The food was excellent: curry in vast cauldrons, but they had put on an effort for the white guests and we had a special non-spicy buffet on our table. I appreciated the thought and ate it out of politeness, but the curry was far better. White people willing to travel to Blackburn for an Indian wedding are usually quite keen on curry!
Fox jr was about 7 at the time and had a phobia of men with beards, so a wedding with 400 bearded mens was total immersion therapy. Worked a treat, after about an hour of screaming ab-dabs.
The Dream etc
Oh deary me.
You are citing Amazon's current list.
Salmond's book was published the best part of a year ago and reached top 50 in Amazon (which is extraordinary for a political book) and topped the Sunday Times hardback list for two straight weeks in March. A reasonable estimate would be that it outsold the the Daily Telegraph hack (whose name escapes me) attack book on Salmond by at least 10-1!
I had you down as a man of culture, unlike me, a barbarian.
Arts ... the only one I'd give tuppence for is a good a painter who draws proper pictures. That Picasso fellow could draw a bit before he went daft and started painting birds with three noses. As for that Jackson Pollock and those sculptors who make bits of metal rubbish I can find in my garage - get a proper job!
"West Indies batsman Shivnarine Chanderpaul has announced his retirement from international cricket.
The Guyanese left-hander, 41, made his Test debut in 1994 but was dropped after West Indies' home series against England in May 2015.
With 11,867 runs from 164 Tests, he retires as the Windies' second highest run-scorer, only 45 short of Brian Lara's record of 11,912.
He is also the seventh-highest Test run-scorer of all time."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35390636
But with near 50% of London population describing themselves as White British, you cannot be looking very hard if you never meet one!
Interesting if Nick Clegg or Michael Portillo describe themselves as White British or White Other.
Written Arabic is as difficult as you think it will be, luckily most of the Middle East is bilingual when it comes to road signs and official notices - although official forms have to be in Arabic so one has to pay a 'typing centre' to fill them in for you!
40 years ago people simply would not have believed it possible there would be so few.. in fact when people predicted it, they were branded scaremongering racists
Imagine it, Lahore 2056 "There are loads of brown skinned Pakistanis here! Almost half the population!"
PS : as ever your grasp of fact sis somewhat lacking , my great grandparents on one side came from Northern Ireland and were most likely children of Scots who had moved there.
Makes a good story though.
Actually 40 years ago people would believe it. The National Front and Enoch Powell both had strong London followings. Indeed in the 70s Leicester had a substantial NF vote. Nearly vanished now, and generally community relations are pretty good here.
But off to the footy now to meet some WWC!