BREAK MPs in the House of Commons to hold three hour debate about banning US President hopeful Donald Trump from the UK on Monday next week
Who oh earth tabled this silly nonsense?
Isn't it the result of the petition?
That surely doesn't automatically generate a three-hour debate though? IIRC, a petition reaching the threshold simply means it has to be considered for debate.
The decision is daft diplomatically and indulgent domestically.
I entirely agree.
Re: your earlier comment - The petition to ban Trump from the UK only needed 10,000 signatures before parliament was compelled to respond. - If 100,000 signatories added their names, the anti-Trump petition would be considered for debate in the Commons.
It should have been ‘considered’ and rejected forthwith, but a three hour debate is ridiculous.
Will be interesting to see how many MPs are prepared to stand foursquare in favour of freedom of speech.
"Renault SA shares plunged as much as 20 percent after a union said French fraud investigators seized computers from the automaker as part of an apparent probe into emissions testing.
Agents from the Economy Ministry’s fraud office visited some Renault sites that have to do with standards testing and engine certification, said Florent Grimaldi, an official with the CGT union at the company’s operations in Lardy, France, by telephone Thursday, confirming a report earlier by Agence France-Presse. That left the impression that the probe is related to emissions standards in the wake of the Volkswagen AG scandal, he said."
That can't be a massive surprise. The chance that it was only VW involved in dodgy looking emissions testing is negligible. Engines have always been built to meet detailed requirements, one of which was passing the emissions test through whatever means. That VW in the USA got caught engaging in gamesmanship is clearly the tip of the iceberg in an era of computer-controlled cars.
There are a number of other diesel cars from other manufacturers which have been mysteriously out of stock for the last few months, which gives credence to your view.
German?
If Renault are caught will that be Nissan too? Do they share engines / electronics?
Nissan only have the Qashqai available with Diesel engines, everything else is petrol or electric. Japanese companies as a whole have been investing heavily in electric, hybrid and battery technology. European car companies went very heavy on turbo diesels. It looks like a bad bet. BMW seem to be furthest ahead with the i3 and i8, but those are still pretty niche. Toyota and Honda all have a bunch of hybrids and Nissan has the Leaf.
I have been skimming through the available hybrid vehicles recently. I looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) a couple of days ago. It would be a shame not to take advantage of the Government 5k contribution while it is available until 29th Feb.
BREAK MPs in the House of Commons to hold three hour debate about banning US President hopeful Donald Trump from the UK on Monday next week
Who oh earth tabled this silly nonsense?
Isn't it the result of the petition?
That surely doesn't automatically generate a three-hour debate though? IIRC, a petition reaching the threshold simply means it has to be considered for debate.
The decision is daft diplomatically and indulgent domestically.
There's a lot of misunderstanding about petitions and debates. The all-party Backbench Business Committee has a certain amount of time to allocate, which is much in demand. They consider how many MPs are interested in attending and speaking (very important - it'd be embarrassing to allocate time and then find not enough turn up), how topical it is, and whether a lot of the public are interested. The 100,000"threshold" does not so far as I know have any formal standing - the BBC will consider any proposal, and 100K signatures has been considered as a sign of significant popular interest, but if 100K people demand a debate on Manchester United or the Jedi it will still go straight in the bin.
The alternative route is via the Speaker. If lots of MPs ask him for an adjournment debate, he may well agree, though the process is deliberately obscure to prevent manipulation. If this is that kind of debate - and for a 3-hour debate I think it probably is - it must mean that loads of MPs (20+) have asked for it. The origin is of course Trump's statement that Muslims would be kept out of the USA, so it's presumably a sort of protest, though I'm sure Trump will just see it as more fodder for his populism - "Vote Trump, banned by British bureaucrats!"
I think there should be a Jedi debate. Aren't there tens of thousands of Jedis in UK according to Census?
Corbyn was right about Iraq, he was right about Syria, he was right about Libya and he is right about Trident.
The 'moderate' Blairites sure know to pick their battles, presumably Mandelson is urging iron discipline and loyalty to the Dear Leader as he did back in the New Labour heyday?
@PolhomeEditor: John Woodcock, chair of the PLP's defence committee, has written to Emily Thornberry to ask if she agrees with this https://t.co/5qVHvXAEa3
Woodcock is worth keeping an eye on as one who might provoke a by-election in opposition to his party's policy, or resign the whip, or defect - or some combination of the above.
Who would he defect to? Emotionally, even right wing Labourites seem opposed to joining the hated Tories and I would have therefore thought the Lib Dems would be the obvious beneficiaries but again there seems to be no Labour appetite for an SDP Mark II.
"Renault SA shares plunged as much as 20 percent after a union said French fraud investigators seized computers from the automaker as part of an apparent probe into emissions testing.
Agents from the Economy Ministry’s fraud office visited some Renault sites that have to do with standards testing and engine certification, said Florent Grimaldi, an official with the CGT union at the company’s operations in Lardy, France, by telephone Thursday, confirming a report earlier by Agence France-Presse. That left the impression that the probe is related to emissions standards in the wake of the Volkswagen AG scandal, he said."
That can't be a massive surprise. The chance that it was only VW involved in dodgy looking emissions testing is negligible. Engines have always been built to meet detailed requirements, one of which was passing the emissions test through whatever means. That VW in the USA got caught engaging in gamesmanship is clearly the tip of the iceberg in an era of computer-controlled cars.
There are a number of other diesel cars from other manufacturers which have been mysteriously out of stock for the last few months, which gives credence to your view.
German?
If Renault are caught will that be Nissan too? Do they share engines / electronics?
Nissan only have the Qashqai available with Diesel engines, everything else is petrol or electric. Japanese companies as a whole have been investing heavily in electric, hybrid and battery technology. European car companies went very heavy on turbo diesels. It looks like a bad bet. BMW seem to be furthest ahead with the i3 and i8, but those are still pretty niche. Toyota and Honda all have a bunch of hybrids and Nissan has the Leaf.
BREAK MPs in the House of Commons to hold three hour debate about banning US President hopeful Donald Trump from the UK on Monday next week
Who oh earth tabled this silly nonsense?
Isn't it the result of the petition?
That surely doesn't automatically generate a three-hour debate though? IIRC, a petition reaching the threshold simply means it has to be considered for debate.
The decision is daft diplomatically and indulgent domestically.
There's a lot of misunderstanding about petitions and debates. The all-party Backbench Business Committee has a certain amount of time to allocate, which is much in demand. They consider how many MPs are interested in attending and speaking (very important - it'd be embarrassing to allocate time and then find not enough turn up), how topical it is, and whether a lot of the public are interested. The 100,000"threshold" does not so far as I know have any formal standing - the BBC will consider any proposal, and 100K signatures has been considered as a sign of significant popular interest, but if 100K people demand a debate on Manchester United or the Jedi it will still go straight in the bin.
The alternative route is via the Speaker. If lots of MPs ask him for an adjournment debate, he may well agree, though the process is deliberately obscure to prevent manipulation. If this is that kind of debate - and for a 3-hour debate I think it probably is - it must mean that loads of MPs (20+) have asked for it. The origin is of course Trump's statement that Muslims would be kept out of the USA, so it's presumably a sort of protest, though I'm sure Trump will just see it as more fodder for his populism - "Vote Trump, banned by British bureaucrats!"
The problem is not how Trump sees it, it is how every other American politician and, indeed, citizen will see it.
With a bit of luck the HoC will point out the folly of banning people whose beliefs we disagree with.... a much more effective message to the cousins......
@PolhomeEditor: John Woodcock, chair of the PLP's defence committee, has written to Emily Thornberry to ask if she agrees with this https://t.co/5qVHvXAEa3
Woodcock is worth keeping an eye on as one who might provoke a by-election in opposition to his party's policy, or resign the whip, or defect - or some combination of the above.
Who would he defect to? Emotionally, even right wing Labourites seem opposed to joining the hated Tories and I would have therefore thought the Lib Dems would be the obvious beneficiaries but again there seems to be no Labour appetite for an SDP Mark II.
Harry Cole Wait..So @CatSmithMP claims to be "Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities" As does @KateGreenSU. Now Corbyn has just appointed @KateOsamor
Oh btw I see Grayling has broken cover and called membership of the EU disastrous. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a concerted campaign from Tory rebels or if he turns out to be the sacrificial lamb.
I haven't read or heard Grayling's words directly, but the summary of his views on R5L seemed utterly reasonable. But I would say that, as they appeared to match my views rather well.
I cannot see the EU moving away from further EZ integration, or treating the non-EZ countries significantly differently from the EZ countries (two-speed Europe). This means that eventually we would have to join the Euro. And that's somewhere I don't want to go.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you talking about? There is no way we can leave the EU and join the Euro
"Renault SA shares plunged as much as 20 percent after a union said French fraud investigators seized computers from the automaker as part of an apparent probe into emissions testing.
Agents from the Economy Ministry’s fraud office visited some Renault sites that have to do with standards testing and engine certification, said Florent Grimaldi, an official with the CGT union at the company’s operations in Lardy, France, by telephone Thursday, confirming a report earlier by Agence France-Presse. That left the impression that the probe is related to emissions standards in the wake of the Volkswagen AG scandal, he said."
That can't be a massive surprise. The chance that it was only VW involved in dodgy looking emissions testing is negligible. Engines have always been built to meet detailed requirements, one of which was passing the emissions test through whatever means. That VW in the USA got caught engaging in gamesmanship is clearly the tip of the iceberg in an era of computer-controlled cars.
There are a number of other diesel cars from other manufacturers which have been mysteriously out of stock for the last few months, which gives credence to your view.
German?
If Renault are caught will that be Nissan too? Do they share engines / electronics?
Nissan only have the Qashqai available with Diesel engines, everything else is petrol or electric. Japanese companies as a whole have been investing heavily in electric, hybrid and battery technology. European car companies went very heavy on turbo diesels. It looks like a bad bet. BMW seem to be furthest ahead with the i3 and i8, but those are still pretty niche. Toyota and Honda all have a bunch of hybrids and Nissan has the Leaf.
I have been skimming through the available hybrid vehicles recently. I looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) a couple of days ago. It would be a shame not to take advantage of the Government 5k contribution while it is available until 29th Feb.
Best Hybrid ever is the Porsche 918 Spyder. It does 200mpg and is exempt from the Congestion Charge in London.
Its combined 887bhp also means it does 0-60 mph in 2.2 seconds, 0-100 in 4.9 seconds, has a top speed of 217mph and is the fastest road car ever around the Nurburgring in 6'57".
Boris still trying to have it both ways in The Waugh Zone today:
"Boris’s intentions remain the real threat to Osborne. Referring to claims that he’d said before Christmas that ‘I’m not an Outer’, allies of Bojo told me yesterday to treat them with ‘scepticism’ (which is kinda apt). “Instinctively he wants to stay in a reformed EU, but if we can’t get what we want, as he’s said, he can see a great future outside,” one said. I understand Boris does not want to ‘lead’ the Brexit campaign purely because he believes business leaders will make the best case."
Does Boris actually believe in anything at all?
Lol - the irony of NPXMP making that criticism of.. anyone.
Hey, I try to live up to the pbTory depictions - I'm apparently both a crypto-communist and have no views at all, and I'm simultaneously retired from the Commons and a careerist seeking advancement. (I do wonder why they care.)
Speaking of other people with evolving views, I don't think SeanT has left us, Cyclefree - he does have other preoccupations but he's never given up on us yet, just takes a break from time to time.
It makes perfect sense - like how for a time Ed M was both nothing but a laughingstock but also a malevolent, dangerous figure of frightening but evil competence.
@PolhomeEditor: John Woodcock, chair of the PLP's defence committee, has written to Emily Thornberry to ask if she agrees with this https://t.co/5qVHvXAEa3
Woodcock is worth keeping an eye on as one who might provoke a by-election in opposition to his party's policy, or resign the whip, or defect - or some combination of the above.
Who would he defect to? Emotionally, even right wing Labourites seem opposed to joining the hated Tories and I would have therefore thought the Lib Dems would be the obvious beneficiaries but again there seems to be no Labour appetite for an SDP Mark II.
Independent Labour
Woodcock is certainly feisty and he couldn't be more committed to Trident. If Labour goes full anti-Trident then I don't think he would be content merely with rebelling on the vote. He would want to *do* something to indicate his displeasure and continued support for his constituents' jobs. The question is what? Does a by-election achieve anything except the possible loss of his seat? Does defecting to independent achieve anything but the loss of his seat in 2020?
"Renault SA shares plunged as much as 20 percent after a union said French fraud investigators seized computers from the automaker as part of an apparent probe into emissions testing.
Agents from the Economy Ministry’s fraud office visited some Renault sites that have to do with standards testing and engine certification, said Florent Grimaldi, an official with the CGT union at the company’s operations in Lardy, France, by telephone Thursday, confirming a report earlier by Agence France-Presse. That left the impression that the probe is related to emissions standards in the wake of the Volkswagen AG scandal, he said."
That can't be a massive surprise. The chance that it was only VW involved in dodgy looking emissions testing is negligible. Engines have always been built to meet detailed requirements, one of which was passing the emissions test through whatever means. That VW in the USA got caught engaging in gamesmanship is clearly the tip of the iceberg in an era of computer-controlled cars.
There are a number of other diesel cars from other manufacturers which have been mysteriously out of stock for the last few months, which gives credence to your view.
German?
If Renault are caught will that be Nissan too? Do they share engines / electronics?
Nissan only have the Qashqai available with Diesel engines, everything else is petrol or electric. Japanese companies as a whole have been investing heavily in electric, hybrid and battery technology. European car companies went very heavy on turbo diesels. It looks like a bad bet. BMW seem to be furthest ahead with the i3 and i8, but those are still pretty niche. Toyota and Honda all have a bunch of hybrids and Nissan has the Leaf.
Err the Xtrail 4x4 has a diesel engine.
Apologies, so it does. So that's the Qashqai and X-trail. 19 out of 34 available models in the former and 24 out of 31 in the latter.
If ever there was a time for the Nissan side of the alliance to pull out (especially after the French government tried to nationalise Renault) this would be it.
@PolhomeEditor: John Woodcock, chair of the PLP's defence committee, has written to Emily Thornberry to ask if she agrees with this https://t.co/5qVHvXAEa3
Woodcock is worth keeping an eye on as one who might provoke a by-election in opposition to his party's policy, or resign the whip, or defect - or some combination of the above.
Who would he defect to? Emotionally, even right wing Labourites seem opposed to joining the hated Tories and I would have therefore thought the Lib Dems would be the obvious beneficiaries but again there seems to be no Labour appetite for an SDP Mark II.
Quite so. There are people around in the Commons who remember what happened with Mark I, they'll rein in anyone silly enough to think of it, and as you say the anger at Corbyn is most focused on it is letting the hated Tories getting away with things, not any hint they are finding the Tories more attractive in light of Corbynite Labour tendencies.
"Renault SA shares plunged as much as 20 percent after a union said French fraud investigators seized computers from the automaker as part of an apparent probe into emissions testing.
Agents from the Economy Ministry’s fraud office visited some Renault sites that have to do with standards testing and engine certification, said Florent Grimaldi, an official with the CGT union at the company’s operations in Lardy, France, by telephone Thursday, confirming a report earlier by Agence France-Presse. That left the impression that the probe is related to emissions standards in the wake of the Volkswagen AG scandal, he said."
I wonder if the CGT union pension fund shorted Renault shares?
BREAK MPs in the House of Commons to hold three hour debate about banning US President hopeful Donald Trump from the UK on Monday next week
Is this a real debate? I thought they were going to debate it but not in the Commons chamber?
If is a full-on debate with a division then it's an embarrassment.
It's a farce. I think we're doing it to help the US establishment try to make a pariah out of Trump. Not only will it not work (they may succeed, but not because of our paltry brickbats, which will have the opposite effect), it insults someone who has invested £350 million in our country. Where is the realpolitik in that?
@PolhomeEditor: John Woodcock, chair of the PLP's defence committee, has written to Emily Thornberry to ask if she agrees with this https://t.co/5qVHvXAEa3
Woodcock is worth keeping an eye on as one who might provoke a by-election in opposition to his party's policy, or resign the whip, or defect - or some combination of the above.
Who would he defect to? Emotionally, even right wing Labourites seem opposed to joining the hated Tories and I would have therefore thought the Lib Dems would be the obvious beneficiaries but again there seems to be no Labour appetite for an SDP Mark II.
Independent Labour
Woodcock is certainly feisty and he couldn't be more committed to Trident. If Labour goes full anti-Trident then I don't think he would be content merely with rebelling on the vote. He would want to *do* something to indicate his displeasure and continued support for his constituents' jobs. The question is what? Does a by-election achieve anything except the possible loss of his seat? Does defecting to independent achieve anything but the loss of his seat in 2020?
I can't see how a pro-Trident indie Lab candidate would lose to 'the official Lab' candidate in Barrow.
However, all this is hot air IMHO. The unions will not allow Labour to go 'no' to Trident renewal. So there will be some almighty fudge at some point this year or they will block the change of policy.
Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1 6m6 minutes ago Sad news about Alan Rickman's death. While at the Evening Standard, we used to call him just to hear how cool he sounded on his answerphone.
I think the death of Alan Rickman is such a shocker as he just didn't age. He was not exactly young in Die Hard and that was 30 years ago. When the news mentioned he was 69 I was genuinely surprised but really shouldn't have been.
I think the death of Alan Rickman is such a shocker as he just didn't age. He was not exactly young in Die Hard and that was 30 years ago. When the news mentioned he was 69 I was genuinely surprised but really shouldn't have been.
He still had a good 20 years left tbh (See Christopher Lee's career).
I see apparently the marvellously named Thangam Deobbonaire has been appointed to JC's shadow cabinet. I'd heard she had health troubles, so presumably she is doing better I hope.
Someone is very keen to back Biden4Potus over on betfair @ 129/1 (£750)
Oddly, they're not prepared to take the ~£800 available @ 119/1 - which leads me to assume they're probably not betting on inside info.
Anyway, I've taken the opportunity to trade out of my Biden position (I'd staked £70 at average odds of ~600/1 - and banked a decent ~£250 overall profit.
Good luck to whoever is on the other side of that bet. A Biden/Trump contest would be really entertaining!
Interesting. I'm on for a few quid at a stonking 800/1, but having thought about it, I don't think that the current 130.0 is a lay. If anything, I'd still be a backer at that price; the probability of Hillary withdrawing must be a few percent given the 'known unknowns', and Biden would surely be a shoo-in in such a scenario. I think I'd still be a backer down to 70/1 or so.
I think the death of Alan Rickman is such a shocker as he just didn't age. He was not exactly young in Die Hard and that was 30 years ago. When the news mentioned he was 69 I was genuinely surprised but really shouldn't have been.
He still had a good 20 years left tbh (See Christopher Lee's career).
I think the death of Alan Rickman is such a shocker as he just didn't age. He was not exactly young in Die Hard and that was 30 years ago. When the news mentioned he was 69 I was genuinely surprised but really shouldn't have been.
Yes, perhaps his finest role was to keep playing middle aged to within a month of hitting 70. He just didn't age.
Trump leads Clinton in Florida. Cubans aren't that significant a voting block anyway (dwarfed by whites, that is even if we aren't considering ethnically Spanish Cubans as whites), Cubans couldn't care less about illegal Mexican immigrants and I expect Cruz to be Trump's VP pick anyway.
Clinton leads Trump in Ohio and Virginia and often in Florida too
I see apparently the marvellously named Thangam Deobbonaire has been appointed to JC's shadow cabinet. I'd heard she had health troubles, so presumably she is doing better I hope.
You're right - I'd never have the balls to call a fictional character Thangam Debbonaire!
Any one who bets on Trump winning the nomination has a crude and simplistic grasp of American politics ; furthermore , they deserve to lose their money
Trump is a ''reality TV star '' who has descended into malignant narcissism and megalomania ..he's Dr Strangelove or a cartoonish James bond villain ; he's not a demagogue , but a comedic parody of a demagogue ...TRUMPOLINI I presume ?
There are simply not that many gormless voters in the GOP ; Trump is polling lower than Bernie Sanders but only looks like a winner because the opposition have not unified ...he probably will win New Hampshire but his victories can only last until the establishment unifies
Trump is a venal opportunist who loves running for president but would be horrified if the presidency were actually forced upon him
Trump's supporters are gormless beyond belief ; if he chewed the head off a puppy on live TV they would applaud him for making the world more safer for cats !
Time to watch Die Hard again. One of the all-time best screen baddies.
EDIT Plus he was an excellent Sheriff of Nottingham. You really were torn between him and Robin Hood...
I used one of Alan Rickman's lines from that film as a chat up line.
Was it "You. My room. 10:30 tonight."?
Or
"You. 10:45... And bring a friend."??
You know me so well. I used both.
But I used 10.30 and 11.15. I'm not a one minute wonder.
Arf.
Do we know what he died of? And does Bruce Willis have an alibi?
Cancer.
Bugger. We keep being told we are making great strides to fight it, but then we lose Lemmy, Bowie and Rickman to it in barely a fortnight.
I lost my brother-in-law to a particularly rare form of cancer last July. My sister is still devastated. He was only 53 and my nephew lost his father at the age of 13.
It's a truly terrible disease and a cure can't come soon enough.
Oh btw I see Grayling has broken cover and called membership of the EU disastrous. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a concerted campaign from Tory rebels or if he turns out to be the sacrificial lamb.
I haven't read or heard Grayling's words directly, but the summary of his views on R5L seemed utterly reasonable. But I would say that, as they appeared to match my views rather well.
I cannot see the EU moving away from further EZ integration, or treating the non-EZ countries significantly differently from the EZ countries (two-speed Europe). This means that eventually we would have to join the Euro. And that's somewhere I don't want to go.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you talking about? There is no way we can leave the EU and join the Euro
I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
I'm glad you replied because it appears I misunderstood what you wrote, my bad.
The response to Grayling's announcement has been muted on here, the wagons are circling.
Peter Mannion MP My favourite Chris Grayling bar chart (ConHome poll of Conservative supporters, 2015). #euref #Brexit #justsaying https://t.co/m9A8N4XDzZ
Hillary is a weak , weak candidate ...the E mail /Benghazi scandal will haunt her right to the very end ; even if she isn't forced to drop out , it will have so eroded her credibility that someone like Rubio will crush her ....the recent release of the movie Thirteen Hours only contributes to her mounting problems
Oh btw I see Grayling has broken cover and called membership of the EU disastrous. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a concerted campaign from Tory rebels or if he turns out to be the sacrificial lamb.
I haven't read or heard Grayling's words directly, but the summary of his views on R5L seemed utterly reasonable. But I would say that, as they appeared to match my views rather well.
I cannot see the EU moving away from further EZ integration, or treating the non-EZ countries significantly differently from the EZ countries (two-speed Europe). This means that eventually we would have to join the Euro. And that's somewhere I don't want to go.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you talking about? There is no way we can leave the EU and join the Euro
I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
I'm glad you replied because it appears I misunderstood what you wrote, my bad.
The response to Grayling's announcement has been muted on here, the wagons are circling.
Grayling supporting anything is usually a coup for the other side.
anyone betting on Hillary would be well advised to read Charles Lipson's column @ Real Clear Politics....Joe Biden may well have to jump back into the race ....she is in trouble
Re Trump I'm beginning to hope he becomes President, I have very little knowledge of or interest in US politics but the outrage that will ensue will be hilarious.
Hillary is a weak , weak candidate ...the E mail /Benghazi scandal will haunt her right to the very end ; even if she isn't forced to drop out , it will have so eroded her credibility that someone like Rubio will crush her ....the recent release of the movie Thirteen Hours only contributes to her mounting problems
Re Trump I'm beginning to hope he becomes President, I have very little knowledge of or interest in US politics but the outrage that will ensue will be hilarious.
Indeed. I'd hope the nation is robust enough to withstand a disaster, if he is one as predicted.
anyone betting on Hillary would be well advised to read Charles Lipson's column @ Real Clear Politics....Joe Biden may well have to jump back into the race ....she is in trouble
Any one who bets on Trump winning the nomination has a crude and simplistic grasp of American politics ; furthermore , they deserve to lose their money
Trump is a ''reality TV star '' who has descended into malignant narcissism and megalomania ..he's Dr Strangelove or a cartoonish James bond villain ; he's not a demagogue , but a comedic parody of a demagogue ...TRUMPOLINI I presume ?
There are simply not that many gormless voters in the GOP ; Trump is polling lower than Bernie Sanders but only looks like a winner because the opposition have not unified ...he probably will win New Hampshire but his victories can only last until the establishment unifies
Trump is a venal opportunist who loves running for president but would be horrified if the presidency were actually forced upon him
Trump's supporters are gormless beyond belief ; if he chewed the head off a puppy on live TV they would applaud him for making the world more safer for cats !
Rubio is the Burnham of the GOP race, Trump the Corbyn, GOP voters in a yougov poll yesterday most typically described Rubio as 'an establishment candidate and typical politician', Trump as 'a strong candidate who will make America great again'. Trump is trouncing him in Iowa and NH
Peter Mannion MP My favourite Chris Grayling bar chart (ConHome poll of Conservative supporters, 2015). #euref #Brexit #justsaying https://t.co/m9A8N4XDzZ
Aww. Well, that should improve now he's currently the only one with his head above the parapet.
anyone betting on Hillary would be well advised to read Charles Lipson's column @ Real Clear Politics....Joe Biden may well have to jump back into the race ....she is in trouble
Oh btw I see Grayling has broken cover and called membership of the EU disastrous. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a concerted campaign from Tory rebels or if he turns out to be the sacrificial lamb.
I haven't read or heard Grayling's words directly, but the summary of his views on R5L seemed utterly reasonable. But I would say that, as they appeared to match my views rather well.
I cannot see the EU moving away from further EZ integration, or treating the non-EZ countries significantly differently from the EZ countries (two-speed Europe). This means that eventually we would have to join the Euro. And that's somewhere I don't want to go.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you talking about? There is no way we can leave the EU and join the Euro
I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
I'm glad you replied because it appears I misunderstood what you wrote, my bad.
The response to Grayling's announcement has been muted on here, the wagons are circling.
Grayling supporting anything is usually a coup for the other side.
I'm afraid I have to agree with you.
Leave needs moderates and not just the usual suspects.
I was in a major LA Agents office when Robin Hood was premiered and the crits came out..The Agent took one quick scan and then yelled at the top of her voice.."Get me Rickman..NOW",,,about fifty secretaries in the outer office grabbed their phones...
@MichaelLCrick: So many Cons gay MPs now, that Tories used to idea "coming out" means declaring gay. For Labour, "coming out" means leaving Shadow Cabinet
Oh btw I see Grayling has broken cover and called membership of the EU disastrous. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a concerted campaign from Tory rebels or if he turns out to be the sacrificial lamb.
I haven't read or heard Grayling's words directly, but the summary of his views on R5L seemed utterly reasonable. But I would say that, as they appeared to match my views rather well.
I cannot see the EU moving away from further EZ integration, or treating the non-EZ countries significantly differently from the EZ countries (two-speed Europe). This means that eventually we would have to join the Euro. And that's somewhere I don't want to go.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you talking about? There is no way we can leave the EU and join the Euro
I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
I'm glad you replied because it appears I misunderstood what you wrote, my bad.
The response to Grayling's announcement has been muted on here, the wagons are circling.
Grayling supporting anything is usually a coup for the other side.
Indeed. The man is a walking disaster area. It's quite lamentable that he is the first "big beast" to declare for leave.
Oh btw I see Grayling has broken cover and called membership of the EU disastrous. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a concerted campaign from Tory rebels or if he turns out to be the sacrificial lamb.
I haven't read or heard Grayling's words directly, but the summary of his views on R5L seemed utterly reasonable. But I would say that, as they appeared to match my views rather well.
I cannot see the EU moving away from further EZ integration, or treating the non-EZ countries significantly differently from the EZ countries (two-speed Europe). This means that eventually we would have to join the Euro. And that's somewhere I don't want to go.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you talking about? There is no way we can leave the EU and join the Euro
I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
I'm glad you replied because it appears I misunderstood what you wrote, my bad.
The response to Grayling's announcement has been muted on here, the wagons are circling.
T;is okay. I could have made it clearer.
The interesting thing is that Grayling's been allowed to say it, and that Downing Street are apparently 'relaxed' about it. I'm wondering what the government's game plan is for the referendum: they'll have one; it's just a question of what its aims are, and how good it is.
Any one who bets on Trump winning the nomination has a crude and simplistic grasp of American politics ; furthermore , they deserve to lose their money
Trump is a ''reality TV star '' who has descended into malignant narcissism and megalomania ..he's Dr Strangelove or a cartoonish James bond villain ; he's not a demagogue , but a comedic parody of a demagogue ...TRUMPOLINI I presume ?
There are simply not that many gormless voters in the GOP ; Trump is polling lower than Bernie Sanders but only looks like a winner because the opposition have not unified ...he probably will win New Hampshire but his victories can only last until the establishment unifies
Trump is a venal opportunist who loves running for president but would be horrified if the presidency were actually forced upon him
Trump's supporters are gormless beyond belief ; if he chewed the head off a puppy on live TV they would applaud him for making the world more safer for cats !
Rubio is the Burnham of the GOP race, Trump the Corbyn, GOP voters in a yougov poll yesterday most typically described Rubio as 'an establishment candidate and typical politician', Trump as 'a strong candidate who will make America great again'. Trump is trouncing him in Iowa and NH
That's a typical myopic Little Englander view of American politics gained from watching TV ...Trump is not Corbyn , the GOP are certainly not the Labour party and the USA is not the UK
but go ahead ; if you want to view things that way ...a fool and his money are easily parted
Oh btw I see Grayling has broken cover and called membership of the EU disastrous. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a concerted campaign from Tory rebels or if he turns out to be the sacrificial lamb.
I haven't read or heard Grayling's words directly, but the summary of his views on R5L seemed utterly reasonable. But I would say that, as they appeared to match my views rather well.
I cannot see the EU moving away from further EZ integration, or treating the non-EZ countries significantly differently from the EZ countries (two-speed Europe). This means that eventually we would have to join the Euro. And that's somewhere I don't want to go.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you talking about? There is no way we can leave the EU and join the Euro
I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
I'm glad you replied because it appears I misunderstood what you wrote, my bad.
The response to Grayling's announcement has been muted on here, the wagons are circling.
Grayling supporting anything is usually a coup for the other side.
I'm afraid I have to agree with you.
Leave needs moderates and not just the usual suspects.
Any one who bets on Trump winning the nomination has a crude and simplistic grasp of American politics ; furthermore , they deserve to lose their money
Trump is a ''reality TV star '' who has descended into malignant narcissism and megalomania ..he's Dr Strangelove or a cartoonish James bond villain ; he's not a demagogue , but a comedic parody of a demagogue ...TRUMPOLINI I presume ?
There are simply not that many gormless voters in the GOP ; Trump is polling lower than Bernie Sanders but only looks like a winner because the opposition have not unified ...he probably will win New Hampshire but his victories can only last until the establishment unifies
Trump is a venal opportunist who loves running for president but would be horrified if the presidency were actually forced upon him
Trump's supporters are gormless beyond belief ; if he chewed the head off a puppy on live TV they would applaud him for making the world more safer for cats !
Rubio is the Burnham of the GOP race, Trump the Corbyn, GOP voters in a yougov poll yesterday most typically described Rubio as 'an establishment candidate and typical politician', Trump as 'a strong candidate who will make America great again'. Trump is trouncing him in Iowa and NH
That's a typical myopic Little Englander view of American politics gained from watching TV ...Trump is not Corbyn , the GOP are certainly not the Labour party and the USA is not the UK
but go ahead ; if you want to view things that way ...a fool and his money are easily parted
I am afraid he is, your blind support for Rubio is preventing you looking at the facts, the GOP base see Rubio as an establishment stooge, he is getting trounced both nationally and in the early state polls, Trump is almost certain to be the GOP nominee, his only competitor Cruz. You are behaving exactly like a diehard Burnham or Cooper fan in the Labour race when all the evidence showed Corbyn was storming to victory. Both Trump and Corbyn, Sanders and UKIP represent a populist trend sweeping across much of western politics whether you like it or not
Any one who bets on Trump winning the nomination has a crude and simplistic grasp of American politics ; furthermore , they deserve to lose their money
Trump is a ''reality TV star '' who has descended into malignant narcissism and megalomania ..he's Dr Strangelove or a cartoonish James bond villain ; he's not a demagogue , but a comedic parody of a demagogue ...TRUMPOLINI I presume ?
There are simply not that many gormless voters in the GOP ; Trump is polling lower than Bernie Sanders but only looks like a winner because the opposition have not unified ...he probably will win New Hampshire but his victories can only last until the establishment unifies
Trump is a venal opportunist who loves running for president but would be horrified if the presidency were actually forced upon him
Trump's supporters are gormless beyond belief ; if he chewed the head off a puppy on live TV they would applaud him for making the world more safer for cats !
Rubio is the Burnham of the GOP race, Trump the Corbyn, GOP voters in a yougov poll yesterday most typically described Rubio as 'an establishment candidate and typical politician', Trump as 'a strong candidate who will make America great again'. Trump is trouncing him in Iowa and NH
That's a typical myopic Little Englander view of American politics gained from watching TV ...Trump is not Corbyn , the GOP are certainly not the Labour party and the USA is not the UK
but go ahead ; if you want to view things that way ...a fool and his money are easily parted
What's your pounds and pence (Or betting units) position on all the runners ? I'm intrigued.
Oh btw I see Grayling has broken cover and called membership of the EU disastrous. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a concerted campaign from Tory rebels or if he turns out to be the sacrificial lamb.
I haven't read or heard Grayling's words directly, but the summary of his views on R5L seemed utterly reasonable. But I would say that, as they appeared to match my views rather well.
I cannot see the EU moving away from further EZ integration, or treating the non-EZ countries significantly differently from the EZ countries (two-speed Europe). This means that eventually we would have to join the Euro. And that's somewhere I don't want to go.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you talking about? There is no way we can leave the EU and join the Euro
I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
I'm glad you replied because it appears I misunderstood what you wrote, my bad.
The response to Grayling's announcement has been muted on here, the wagons are circling.
T;is okay. I could have made it clearer.
The interesting thing is that Grayling's been allowed to say it, and that Downing Street are apparently 'relaxed' about it. I'm wondering what the government's game plan is for the referendum: they'll have one; it's just a question of what its aims are, and how good it is.
Whatever their plan is, they don't need to worry about Grayling.
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Liveblog: Yet more appointments in the reshuffle. And they raise some questions... https://t.co/Z3e0ofWpI5 https://t.co/Tm3Fqxty9W
Wait..So @CatSmithMP claims to be "Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities" As does @KateGreenSU. Now Corbyn has just appointed @KateOsamor
Atlético & Real Madrid have been banned from signing players in the 2016 summer and 2017 winter transfer windows.
Its combined 887bhp also means it does 0-60 mph in 2.2 seconds, 0-100 in 4.9 seconds, has a top speed of 217mph and is the fastest road car ever around the Nurburgring in 6'57".
Shame it costs a million dollars.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_918_Spyder
If ever there was a time for the Nissan side of the alliance to pull out (especially after the French government tried to nationalise Renault) this would be it.
Alan Rickman has died.
RIP.
By Grabthar's hammer......RIP
EDIT Plus he was an excellent Sheriff of Nottingham. You really were torn between him and Robin Hood...
However, all this is hot air IMHO. The unions will not allow Labour to go 'no' to Trident renewal. So there will be some almighty fudge at some point this year or they will block the change of policy.
We might never see his like ever again
Blasts Costner off the screen in Robin Hood.
John Sessions does a wonderful Rickman impression....
Sad news about Alan Rickman's death. While at the Evening Standard, we used to call him just to hear how cool he sounded on his answerphone.
NSFW
http://youtu.be/H6HRQVki-HM
Or
"You. 10:45... And bring a friend."??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDJsCE01LYI
But I used 10.30 and 11.15. I'm not a one minute wonder.
Do we know what he died of? And does Bruce Willis have an alibi?
RIP sir and thanks for all the brilliant characters.
Sessions is so prodigiously talented, its only a wonder he hasn't had a more illustrious career.
His recent directorial (and starring too) outing in 'A Little Chaos' is fun too.....
Very sad. RIP.
Edit:damn, beaten to it.
We've been robbed.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_clinton-5635.html
Trump leads Clinton in Florida. Cubans aren't that significant a voting block anyway (dwarfed by whites, that is even if we aren't considering ethnically Spanish Cubans as whites), Cubans couldn't care less about illegal Mexican immigrants and I expect Cruz to be Trump's VP pick anyway.
Clinton leads Trump in Ohio and Virginia and often in Florida too
Trump is a ''reality TV star '' who has descended into malignant narcissism and megalomania ..he's Dr Strangelove or a cartoonish James bond villain ; he's not a demagogue , but a comedic parody of a demagogue ...TRUMPOLINI I presume ?
There are simply not that many gormless voters in the GOP ; Trump is polling lower than Bernie Sanders but only looks like a winner because the opposition have not unified ...he probably will win New Hampshire but his victories can only last until the establishment unifies
Trump is a venal opportunist who loves running for president but would be horrified if the presidency were actually forced upon him
Trump's supporters are gormless beyond belief ; if he chewed the head off a puppy on live TV they would applaud him for making the world more safer for cats !
It's a truly terrible disease and a cure can't come soon enough.
The response to Grayling's announcement has been muted on here, the wagons are circling.
Peter Mannion MP
My favourite Chris Grayling bar chart (ConHome poll of Conservative supporters, 2015). #euref #Brexit #justsaying https://t.co/m9A8N4XDzZ
Leave needs moderates and not just the usual suspects.
The interesting thing is that Grayling's been allowed to say it, and that Downing Street are apparently 'relaxed' about it. I'm wondering what the government's game plan is for the referendum: they'll have one; it's just a question of what its aims are, and how good it is.
but go ahead ; if you want to view things that way ...a fool and his money are easily parted
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/07/richard-dannatt-conservative-conference-military
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https://fullfact.org/health/hospital_deaths_weekend_seven_day_nhs-45095
Of course these figures are from 2009/10 and it is possible that the NHS has improved dramatically now that Labour are no longer in charge.
Care to reflect on that?