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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited January 2016

    Danny565 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now?
    #bbcdp #pmqs

    No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
    The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
    But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
    Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
    I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
    Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
    But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
    No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
    But comparing polls now with polls this time last parliament is not like-with-like, since both main parties at this time had the same leaders they'd have at the election.
    And we now know that the polls were fatally flawed
    Well yes, but flawed in Labour's direction,

    I think it's probably right to say mid-term polls will always show a better result for the opposition than they'll get in the following election, but ONLY IF the leaders match-up for the following election is already in place (as it was at this stage of the last parliament, but is not now). Trying to project the next election result now on the basis of current opinion polls, when poll respondents are consciously answering about a Cameron-led Conservative Party, is like trying to project the US election result on the basis of Obama's approval ratings.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Does anyone else remember when UKIP mistranslated their Welsh website tag line? https://t.co/BrM9r3yHZM
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    I watched PMQ's in a coffee shop (SKY). The sound was turned off but it gave a whole new dimension watching the ticker along the bottom of the screen. The PM (going by body language) didn't come across very well. He looked as though he wanted to punch Jeremy Corbyn's lights out. I suspect the promotion of Emily Thornberry has angered him beyond measure. It's embarrassing for this country to have this woman as Shadow Defence Secretary. What an insult to our Armed Forces.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061
    Danny565 said:

    Danny565 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now?
    #bbcdp #pmqs

    No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
    The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
    But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
    Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
    I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
    Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
    But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
    No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
    But comparing polls now with polls this time last parliament is not like-with-like, since both main parties at this time had the same leaders they'd have at the election.
    And we now know that the polls were fatally flawed
    Well yes, but flawed in Labour's direction,
    Maybe they'll over correct inthe other direction this time!
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    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if @PaulFlynnMP "One Leader. One Party. One Enemy" tweet became Labour's election slogan.

    One Country. One People. One Leader. More apt?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PaulBrandITV: Have heard from another Labour MP who's PPS (aide) to a shadow cabinet member and is also about to resign.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Patrick said:

    One Country. One People. One Leader. More apt?

    No the SNP want that one...
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: Rumour of Labour MPs gathering names calling for Corbyn to go: but it all sounds a bit too vague to come to anything.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061
    Scott_P said:

    @PaulBrandITV: Have heard from another Labour MP who's PPS (aide) to a shadow cabinet member and is also about to resign.

    No, not the PPS's!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PaulBrandITV: Latest resignation is over McFadden, plus the shambles. The MP tells me 'I don't want to be bound by collective responsibility under Corbyn'
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I saw Telly do a travelogue about Scotland as the trailer before Death Race 2000. It was surreal, but highly amusing. We ran out of popcorn.
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    Max,

    10news.dk is a one-eyed hate site, as even a casual glance at its content will confirm. Linking to it doesn't do you or your argument any favours. (Incidentally, I see Tommy Robinson is still kicking around - he's got a video interview there!)

    There are plenty of respectable news sites, including English-language ones, that give a more rounded coverage of what is happening in Scandinavia and other parts of Europe, including the problems that have come with immigration. I suggest you use them rather than anti-immigrant sites.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Max,

    10news.dk is a one-eyed hate site, as even a casual glance at its content will confirm. Linking to it doesn't do you or your argument any favours. (Incidentally, I see Tommy Robinson is still kicking around - he's got a video interview there!)

    There are plenty of respectable news sites, including English-language ones, that give a more rounded coverage of what is happening in Scandinavia and other parts of Europe, including the problems that have come with immigration. I suggest you use them rather than anti-immigrant sites.

    Fair enough, but that doesn't make the case any less true.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Camilla Long isn't a happy lefty

    My findings on Corbynistas: a thousand talentless child graphic designers who we have paid to read Dickhead Studies at uni. Fuck off
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Cyclefree said:

    MaxPB said:

    This is the kind of stuff that gets people's backs up:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12084785/Exams-to-be-taken-earlier-in-the-day-to-fit-around-Ramadan-exam-boards-say.html

    It's a joke, how about Muslims integrate into our way of life rather than inconvenience millions of non-Muslim schoolchildren. If living here is incompatible with their religion, well they know where the door is.

    I had thought that children were excused fasting on the grounds that they are children. I'd have thought it an act of cruelty to stop a child taking any food or drink during a hot June day when they are active.

    They are. That rarely stops the pious.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''There are plenty of respectable news sites, ''

    The same 'respectable' news sites that covered up what happened in Cologne because of their own political agenda? those sites?
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    Yes, the realistic view that this means no OPEC accord together with more strategic view that the Iran:SA dispute will be words and the odd embassy sacking but no more.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited January 2016
    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    I am generally skeptical about mainstream VR (we talked about this on PB a couple of weeks ago), but $600 that is definitely not going to fly. That is wayyyyyyyyyyy too expensive.
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    just back in - first tweet I see .... cuckoo...

    Matthew Harris ‏@hattmarris84 43s43 seconds ago
    Ken Livingstone tells LBC that Labour's election prospects have improved since this week's shadow cabinet reshuffle.
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    just back in - first tweet I see .... cuckoo...

    Matthew Harris ‏@hattmarris84 43s43 seconds ago
    Ken Livingstone tells LBC that Labour's election prospects have improved since this week's shadow cabinet reshuffle.

    Is Ken ever off the tv / radio these days?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    That's a lot more than I paid for my DK2!

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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    taffys said:

    ''Time for decent lefties to give the reds a miss. ''

    Perhaps the voters of Oldham have done more to damage the labour party than the tories ever could

    The stay-at-home Tories did their bit that day. In years to come, we'll recall their sacrifice.

    Tactical non-voting.
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    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Is Ken ever off the tv / radio these days?

    He occasionally gets tagged by Dianne, but I guess they might now add Emily to the rotation.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2016

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    I am generally skeptical about mainstream VR (we talked about this on PB a couple of weeks ago), but $600 that is definitely not going to fly. That is wayyyyyyyyyyy too expensive.
    They'll fly off the shelves regardless. There will be enough buyers out there prepared to pay that for the product.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Maomentum_: A wonderful walk today in Highgate cemetery, visited the graves of Karl Marx, Ralph Miliband, and parliamentary socialism.
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    watford30 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    I am generally skeptical about mainstream VR (we talked about this on PB a couple of weeks ago), but $600 that is definitely not going to fly. That is wayyyyyyyyyyy too expensive.
    They'll fly off the shelves regardless. There will be enough buyers out there prepared to pay that for the product.
    I believe all Kickerstarters are getting a free one as well. So that super keen early adopter demographic wont be buying them.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    I am generally skeptical about mainstream VR (we talked about this on PB a couple of weeks ago), but £500 that is definitely not going to fly. That is wayyyyyyyyyyy too expensive.
    £530 including shipping. D:

    I think VR is great, I've used PSVR extensively and I think it could be successful, but not at this price. I think Sony will come in at £299 though which is a bit more accessible.
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    Patrick said:

    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
    Brent and WTI are about the same price now.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    watford30 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    I am generally skeptical about mainstream VR (we talked about this on PB a couple of weeks ago), but $600 that is definitely not going to fly. That is wayyyyyyyyyyy too expensive.
    They'll fly off the shelves regardless. There will be enough buyers out there prepared to pay that for the product.
    People buying shit they don't need, with money they don't have.

    Engine of the great British economy.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Another nice animated graphic

    #Dailychart: More food than they thought. People are more overweight than they perceive https://t.co/i4Dam8ZYo0 https://t.co/UfdHQDFIv8
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Patrick said:

    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
    Too late:
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/first-tanker-of-u-s-crude-oil-for-export-launches-from-texas-1451601536
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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    I am generally skeptical about mainstream VR (we talked about this on PB a couple of weeks ago), but £500 that is definitely not going to fly. That is wayyyyyyyyyyy too expensive.
    £530 including shipping. D:

    I think VR is great, I've used PSVR extensively and I think it could be successful, but not at this price. I think Sony will come in at £299 though which is a bit more accessible.
    I have had access to Rift and I wasn't very impressed by it tbh. Not going to repeat the arguments from a few weeks ago, but I am much more negative about VR than AR. AR has massive potential across every walk of life.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    watford30 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    I am generally skeptical about mainstream VR (we talked about this on PB a couple of weeks ago), but $600 that is definitely not going to fly. That is wayyyyyyyyyyy too expensive.
    They'll fly off the shelves regardless. There will be enough buyers out there prepared to pay that for the product.
    I was at SCEE when Sony said the same about the PS3 at a similar price point. It didn't go well and gaming has a much, much wider audience than VR.
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    taffys said:

    ''There are plenty of respectable news sites, ''

    The same 'respectable' news sites that covered up what happened in Cologne because of their own political agenda? those sites?

    Seriously, take one good look at 10news.dk and tell me it's not a racist hate site.

    To the extent that it contains news stories, they are going to be reposts or translations of content produced by a journalist somewhere. Best to look at the original reporting.

    If someone posted a link to something on StormFront I would react the same way. Doesn't mean that what's there is untrue, but it's not the sort of place you should be looking for information to inform your worldview.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,100
    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    Any news on the HTC Vive cost?

    I find it hard to warrant how Occulus Rift delayed their product so much it allowed competitors into what should have been their market.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    Any news on the HTC Vive cost?

    I find it hard to warrant how Occulus Rift delayed their product so much it allowed competitors into what should have been their market.
    No price on Vive other than "it won't be cheap". That's all I know, Robert probably has better info from the show floor though.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    taffys said:

    Its interesting that the MSM is catching on to Cologne today, well behind us on PB.

    I think it is becoming too big an issue to ignore.
    The BBC were covering it yesterday as I think were newspapers. Its only just been covered in the German press.
    The BBC say there is trouble with large gangs of men in the same place every new years eve for several years. The issue is usually robbery. This year was clearly worse and the clear question is why were there not more police.
    The issue of the way women should conduct themselves has erupted because of a remark by the mayor of Cologne and as far as I can see everyone has quite rightly jumped on him.

    The BBC also give a report of a woman having a firework thrown into her hoodie. Another group of women being harassed and 'groped' by a gang of 30 men. Women have clearly been targeted but the emotive issue of rape which is exercising everyone is not yet clear. There seems to be a clear conclusion (or accusation) that well, mass rapes have been taking place. But the reporting does not justify this.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,100
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    That's a lot more than I paid for my DK2!

    I've heard a rumour that if you got a DK1 through Kickstarter, you'll get a release version (CV?) free.
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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    Any news on the HTC Vive cost?

    I find it hard to warrant how Occulus Rift delayed their product so much it allowed competitors into what should have been their market.
    No price on Vive other than "it won't be cheap". That's all I know, Robert probably has better info from the show floor though.
    Interesting...especially given what I said about AR....Just announced...

    Originally, the Pre wasn’t supposed to exist. The Vive was meant to launch by the end of 2015, but at the last minute, HTC and Valve reportedly held it in order to add “a very, very big technological breakthrough,” something worth giving up its position as the first high-end VR headset. At CES, we’ve finally learned what that was: a front-facing camera that gives wearers a window back into the real world. It’s an undeniably big change — and it's undeniably cool.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/5/10714522/htc-valve-vive-pre-v2-development-kit-ces-2016
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    edited January 2016
    Sexual assaults reports now in Frankfurt as well:

    http://www.thelocal.de/20160106/cologne-police-cant-work-this-way-minister

    (hope the source is better this time!)

    "In scenes similar to those in Cologne, several women have reported New Year sexual assaults to police in Frankfurt.

    In one case that took place shortly after midnight a group of around ten men encircled three women and touched them in a massively inappropriate manner, Spiegel reports.

    The women reported the cases on Tuesday afternoon.

    The men were of north African appearance who spoke in broken English with strong Arabic accents, police said.

    “We didn’t know of the phenomenon where groups of men severely sexual molest women until now,” said a police spokesperson.

    In another incident four women were assaulted by a group of three men who groped them."
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited January 2016


    The BBC were covering it yesterday as I think were newspapers. Its only just been covered in the German press.

    Not true....BBC followed not lead. SeanT was linking to this story from German media sources before any mention on BBC. They were already protesting on the streets before BBC ran anything.

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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Channel 4
    "Hard right" elements are now on fringes of the Labour Party - the place he used to be, agrees Shadow Chancellor: https://t.co/KmVYkahjhO
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Off-topic: Digital Justice reforms beginning to rollout today to hopefully be operational fully by March. Exciting potential for improving court efficiency & if you imagine it combined with License Fee Abolition (1 in 9 of Magistrate Court Cases) could save a lot of wasted taxpayer money.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/crime-news-update-on-better-case-management-crown-court-rollout
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Channel 4
    "Hard right" elements are now on fringes of the Labour Party - the place he used to be, agrees Shadow Chancellor: https://t.co/KmVYkahjhO

    Ein Fuhrer.....
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'but it's not the sort of place you should be looking for information to inform your worldview'

    Only half joking but you could say that about the Guardian as well. Just a quick glance at any edition shows that the choice of stories and the way they are reported is extremely slanted to reinforce its (and its readers') 'world view'. And similarly the Daily Mail.

    I'm not quite sure what the point you are making is. Is it that you shouldn't read biased sources at all (in which case we need to abandon most historical study as well, especially anything written by monks)? And why? As a matter of good taste, in case you somehow become corrupted by them...or what?

    I do remember having a university acquaintance years ago who argued that any scientific research that might conceivably be read as supporting non-PC views on race, gender etc. should not be published - I'm assuming this isn't a view you share.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited January 2016
    MaxPB said:

    Sexual assaults reports now in Frankfurt as well:

    http://www.thelocal.de/20160106/cologne-police-cant-work-this-way-minister

    (hope the source is better this time!)

    "In scenes similar to those in Cologne, several women have reported New Year sexual assaults to police in Frankfurt.

    In one case that took place shortly after midnight a group of around ten men encircled three women and touched them in a massively inappropriate manner, Spiegel reports.

    The women reported the cases on Tuesday afternoon.

    The men were of north African appearance who spoke in broken English with strong Arabic accents, police said.

    “We didn’t know of the phenomenon where groups of men severely sexual molest women until now,” said a police spokesperson.

    In another incident four women were assaulted by a group of three men who groped them."

    The reports started to surface in yesterday German media that this has become a known (to the police) and increasingly common "tactic" in robberies by people of a certain ethnic origin.

    There appears to be suggestions the police have known about this problem, but it has been on a smaller scale. They are now the ones saying 1000-2000 strong organized gang.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154

    Patrick said:

    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
    Brent and WTI are about the same price now.
    Saudi Arabia and Iran are going to open the pumps and get oil as low as they can - in order to trash the economy of the other. This is currenty religious war by other means.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ReutersShowbiz: BREAKING: 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' set to become the top-grossing movie of all time today in U.S., Canada: Disney
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    Patrick said:

    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
    Brent and WTI are about the same price now.
    Saudi Arabia and Iran are going to open the pumps and get oil as low as they can - in order to trash the economy of the other. This is currenty religious war by other means.
    Can't be doing Osborne's tax receipts any good.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    Any news on the HTC Vive cost?

    I find it hard to warrant how Occulus Rift delayed their product so much it allowed competitors into what should have been their market.
    No price on Vive other than "it won't be cheap". That's all I know, Robert probably has better info from the show floor though.
    Interesting...especially given what I said about AR....Just announced...

    Originally, the Pre wasn’t supposed to exist. The Vive was meant to launch by the end of 2015, but at the last minute, HTC and Valve reportedly held it in order to add “a very, very big technological breakthrough,” something worth giving up its position as the first high-end VR headset. At CES, we’ve finally learned what that was: a front-facing camera that gives wearers a window back into the real world. It’s an undeniably big change — and it's undeniably cool.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/5/10714522/htc-valve-vive-pre-v2-development-kit-ces-2016
    That's the RoomVR stuff, I think Oculus does that as well.

    All I know is that HTC are haemorrhaging cash at the moment and there is no way they will be able to put the kit out for less than £550-600. They can't afford for this to be a loss leader and Valve seem completely unbothered about whether HTC make money from it or not so won't be looking to help.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154

    MaxPB said:

    Sexual assaults reports now in Frankfurt as well:

    http://www.thelocal.de/20160106/cologne-police-cant-work-this-way-minister

    (hope the source is better this time!)

    "In scenes similar to those in Cologne, several women have reported New Year sexual assaults to police in Frankfurt.

    In one case that took place shortly after midnight a group of around ten men encircled three women and touched them in a massively inappropriate manner, Spiegel reports.

    The women reported the cases on Tuesday afternoon.

    The men were of north African appearance who spoke in broken English with strong Arabic accents, police said.

    “We didn’t know of the phenomenon where groups of men severely sexual molest women until now,” said a police spokesperson.

    In another incident four women were assaulted by a group of three men who groped them."

    The reports started to surface in yesterday German media that this has become a known (to the police) and increasingly common "tactic" in robberies by people of a certain ethnic origin.

    There appears to be suggestions the police have known about this problem, but it has been on a smaller scale. They are now the ones saying 1000-2000 strong organized gang.
    Reaally, really looking forward to some German special forces guys going out on the town in drag....
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Oh, one for rcs, Oculus Rift is going to be £499 on release. That's VR consigned to the dustbin of niche use for a while!

    That's a lot more than I paid for my DK2!

    I've heard a rumour that if you got a DK1 through Kickstarter, you'll get a release version (CV?) free.
    Yes, that is the case. The original $300 backers will get a free consumer one.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game/posts/1458224?ref=backer_project_update
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154

    Patrick said:

    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
    Brent and WTI are about the same price now.
    Saudi Arabia and Iran are going to open the pumps and get oil as low as they can - in order to trash the economy of the other. This is currenty religious war by other means.
    Can't be doing Osborne's tax receipts any good.
    To an extent, made up for by the greater economic activity that such low energy prices create....
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903


    The BBC were covering it yesterday as I think were newspapers. Its only just been covered in the German press.

    Not true....BBC followed not lead. SeanT was linking to this story from German media sources before any mention on BBC. They were already protesting on the streets before BBC ran anything.

    I read a report on the BBC yesterday, so my comment must be true. Its the 6th today yesterday was the 5th. The big criticism of the German media was that it did not cover the story quick enough or that the story was covered up (I do not see how an event like this could be covered up TBH). So it does not seem to me that the BBC were slow - more like fast asleep.
    I also repeat what the BBC say - that there is always trouble with large groups of men at this spot every year. Gangs of robbers harassing, ie attacking and robbing, the public. So it may be that it takes time for a foreign news agency to pick up something different about this year.

    I am no friend of the BBC or the media but I am not sure what they have done wrong except on the margin- the headlines greatly thrashed about on here, within this website is that thousands of men went round raping women. I conclude from this sort of thing that scores of women were raped under the noses of the German police who did nothing. Just what is the story?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited January 2016


    The BBC were covering it yesterday as I think were newspapers. Its only just been covered in the German press.

    Not true....BBC followed not lead. SeanT was linking to this story from German media sources before any mention on BBC. They were already protesting on the streets before BBC ran anything.

    I read a report on the BBC yesterday, so my comment must be true. Its the 6th today yesterday was the 5th. The big criticism of the German media was that it did not cover the story quick enough or that the story was covered up (I do not see how an event like this could be covered up TBH). So it does not seem to me that the BBC were slow - more like fast asleep.
    I also repeat what the BBC say - that there is always trouble with large groups of men at this spot every year. Gangs of robbers harassing, ie attacking and robbing, the public. So it may be that it takes time for a foreign news agency to pick up something different about this year.

    I am no friend of the BBC or the media but I am not sure what they have done wrong except on the margin- the headlines greatly thrashed about on here, within this website is that thousands of men went round raping women. I conclude from this sort of thing that scores of women were raped under the noses of the German police who did nothing. Just what is the story?
    I don't have time to go and find all the links and yes German media were slow, but it isn't true BBC led and German media followed. BBC reported on German media and the protests by women, not the other way around. All round terrible from the media and C4 Cathy Newman says the same.

    And the stuff about 1000-2000 strong organized gangs is coming from the police, not say from the Daily Rant.
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    MaxPB said:

    Sexual assaults reports now in Frankfurt as well:

    http://www.thelocal.de/20160106/cologne-police-cant-work-this-way-minister

    (hope the source is better this time!)

    "In scenes similar to those in Cologne, several women have reported New Year sexual assaults to police in Frankfurt.

    In one case that took place shortly after midnight a group of around ten men encircled three women and touched them in a massively inappropriate manner, Spiegel reports.

    The women reported the cases on Tuesday afternoon.

    The men were of north African appearance who spoke in broken English with strong Arabic accents, police said.

    “We didn’t know of the phenomenon where groups of men severely sexual molest women until now,” said a police spokesperson.

    In another incident four women were assaulted by a group of three men who groped them."

    The reports started to surface in yesterday German media that this has become a known (to the police) and increasingly common "tactic" in robberies by people of a certain ethnic origin.

    There appears to be suggestions the police have known about this problem, but it has been on a smaller scale. They are now the ones saying 1000-2000 strong organized gang.
    The tactic isn't confined to a single ethnic origin nor is it confined to men groping women. A few years ago in Barcelona I suddenly found myself surrounded by a group of women, apparently Spanish, at least one of whom groped me. Fortunately I realised that one of them was trying to get her hand into the trouser pocket where I had my wallet so I shoved my hands in my pockets and made a lot of noise while continuing to walk. They vanished immediately. I must admit I didn't report the incident. Having already experienced the fairly aggressive approach of the local prostitutes (walking alongside me while I was phoning my wife, trying to follow me into my hotel, etc.) I wasn't anything like as shocked as I would have been if this had happened in my home town.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    @FrancisUrquhart

    What is AR, please?

    As for the VR headsets, I reckon myself to be a chap who takes his gaming seriously so seriously in fact that there are always other sources of information I need other than those provided in game (e.g. the list of aircrafts' wing spans needed to properly adjust my sights in Cliffs of Dover) I also need to look from time to time at my keyboard to make sure I going to press the right key (even on my HOTAS system there are not enough buttons to do everything by feel/muscle memory) and, of course, I need also to know where my mug of tea (or glass of something stronger) and the ash tray is. None of that information is available whilst you have a VR headset strapped on. So the VR gubbins might be OK for some gamers playing simple games but not for grown ups.
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    @FrancisUrquhart

    What is AR, please?

    As for the VR headsets, I reckon myself to be a chap who takes his gaming seriously so seriously in fact that there are always other sources of information I need other than those provided in game (e.g. the list of aircrafts' wing spans needed to properly adjust my sights in Cliffs of Dover) I also need to look from time to time at my keyboard to make sure I going to press the right key (even on my HOTAS system there are not enough buttons to do everything by feel/muscle memory) and, of course, I need also to know where my mug of tea (or glass of something stronger) and the ash tray is. None of that information is available whilst you have a VR headset strapped on. So the VR gubbins might be OK for some gamers playing simple games but not for grown ups.

    Augmented Reality.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Patrick said:

    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
    Brent and WTI are about the same price now.
    Saudi Arabia and Iran are going to open the pumps and get oil as low as they can - in order to trash the economy of the other. This is currenty religious war by other means.
    Where does the oil go if no one is using it?
    Serious question. We use x. If 2x is being produced where does the other x go? Petrol etc is just one by product of oil - what happens to all the others.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Jeremy Corbyn does not believe in the parliamentary party. Or Parliament. The Fink echoes many views here.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4657354.ece
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    edited January 2016
    Mr. Max, that's pretty enormous. That's a console and perhaps as many as 10 games.

    £299 for the PlayStation version is still too high but they'll welcome the price comparison.

    Edited extra bit: first line refers to the Rift.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Llama, heard one games journalist, who is a VR enthusiast, say he had to stop using it after about 20 minutes just because he got so into the VR he forgot where things were in the real world.

    I do think it has great potential. But not for £499.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903


    The BBC were covering it yesterday as I think were newspapers. Its only just been covered in the German press.

    Not true....BBC followed not lead. SeanT was linking to this story from German media sources before any mention on BBC. They were already protesting on the streets before BBC ran anything.

    I read a report on the BBC yesterday, so my comment must be true. Its the 6th today yesterday was the 5th. The big criticism of the German media was that it did not cover the story quick enough or that the story was covered up (I do not see how an event like this could be covered up TBH). So it does not seem to me that the BBC were slow - more like fast asleep.
    I also repeat what the BBC say - that there is always trouble with large groups of men at this spot every year. Gangs of robbers harassing, ie attacking and robbing, the public. So it may be that it takes time for a foreign news agency to pick up something different about this year.

    I am no friend of the BBC or the media but I am not sure what they have done wrong except on the margin- the headlines greatly thrashed about on here, within this website is that thousands of men went round raping women. I conclude from this sort of thing that scores of women were raped under the noses of the German police who did nothing. Just what is the story?
    I don't have time to go and find all the links and yes German media were slow, but it isn't true BBC led and German media followed. BBC reported on German media and the protests by women, not the other way around. All round terrible from the media and C4 Cathy Newman says the same.

    And the stuff about 1000-2000 strong organized gangs is coming from the police, not say from the Daily Rant.
    I'm not suggesting the BBC led and the Germans followed. I am not suggesting the bbc were 100% on the ball. Nor that the gangs were not large
    What I am trying to clarify is what they did and what was different from previous years.

    pr47bridge makes a salient point about these events.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,100

    Mr. Llama, heard one games journalist, who is a VR enthusiast, say he had to stop using it after about 20 minutes just because he got so into the VR he forgot where things were in the real world.

    I do think it has great potential. But not for £499.

    I'd need to build a new PC as well (VR is very expensive wrt graphics).

    But it's tempting. So tempting ...

    However, I doubt VR and childcare are compatible... :)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154
    edited January 2016

    Patrick said:

    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
    Brent and WTI are about the same price now.
    Saudi Arabia and Iran are going to open the pumps and get oil as low as they can - in order to trash the economy of the other. This is currenty religious war by other means.
    Where does the oil go if no one is using it?
    Serious question. We use x. If 2x is being produced where does the other x go? Petrol etc is just one by product of oil - what happens to all the others.
    Storage - onshore, tankers, pipelines. When that is all full - they have to stop production. Until there is some storage freed up again. which of course does nothing to raise the price.

    The days of Saudi being the world's swing producer, able (and willing) to take a million barrels a day out of production to keep the price up, seem a distant memory.

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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited January 2016
    ''I do think it has great potential. But not for £499.''

    My teenage nephews rarely emerge from their bedrooms as it is.

    Goodness knows where that leaves the next generation.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Mr. Llama, heard one games journalist, who is a VR enthusiast, say he had to stop using it after about 20 minutes just because he got so into the VR he forgot where things were in the real world.

    I do think it has great potential. But not for £499.

    I'd need to build a new PC as well (VR is very expensive wrt graphics).

    But it's tempting. So tempting ...

    However, I doubt VR and childcare are compatible... :)
    Yeah, you'll be looking at a GTX980Ti or better for PC VR, that's another £550, plus a decent processor, another £300 and 16GB RAM, £100. Plus £530 for the VR headset and you are looking at ~£1500 without accounting for all of the other stuff you need to make a top end gaming PC of the like required for VR.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Can you gamers get a room somewhere...there must be one ..in an old abandoned warehouse..
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    This happened right next door to where I work.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35241644

    No political slant, I'm still a little shaken and I'm going home for a pint.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Mr. Max, that's pretty enormous. That's a console and perhaps as many as 10 games.

    £299 for the PlayStation version is still too high but they'll welcome the price comparison.

    Edited extra bit: first line refers to the Rift.

    I think it will be £299 without any of the extra stuff like the Move controller and PS Camera. With those it will be more, but like you said, they will have the low price for the comparison.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Jessop, indeed, I read only a small proportion (10% or lower) of PCs are VR-ready.

    But then, I'm a console gamer :p
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    chestnut said:

    Channel 4
    "Hard right" elements are now on fringes of the Labour Party - the place he used to be, agrees Shadow Chancellor: https://t.co/KmVYkahjhO

    Ein Fuhrer.....
    Labour have certainly slipped into a surreal world.
    But as I said months and months ago in respect of Corbyn -
    Labour have let the genie out of the bottle. McDonnell's performance is the result (his comments about Eagle were bizarre). Loonytoon is the new normal.
    Or put another way as I have said earlier -
    The mad woman Labour have kept locked up the attic has escaped and its only a matter of time before she sets fire to the curtains and the whole house burns down.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154

    This happened right next door to where I work.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35241644

    No political slant, I'm still a little shaken and I'm going home for a pint.

    Newly opened, huh? Someone hasn't paid off the right people....
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154


    Or put another way as I have said earlier -
    The mad woman Labour have kept locked up the attic has escaped and its only a matter of time before she sets fire to the curtains and the whole house burns down.

    Paging Baron Watson of Invergowrie....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Watson,_Baron_Watson_of_Invergowrie
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Patrick said:

    AndyJS said:

    Oil about to go sub-$34. Maybe something to do with the Saudi / Iran confrontation.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy

    ...actually that is the WTI price not Brent and is driven more by continuing inventory build in the USA (producing / importing more than they consume - which can only last until all the tanks are full). Personally I expect the USA to end its oil export ban sometime soon.
    Brent and WTI are about the same price now.
    Saudi Arabia and Iran are going to open the pumps and get oil as low as they can - in order to trash the economy of the other. This is currenty religious war by other means.
    Can't be doing Osborne's tax receipts any good.
    To an extent, made up for by the greater economic activity that such low energy prices create....
    Yes I agree with you, but never the less we cannot expect any revenue from oil at this price and we also need to prop up the industry. There must surely be a net drain. Are we seeing artificially low inflation figures?

    To what extent given the low price can we justify not increasing petrol tax? Meantime we have a claim up thread that there is going to be a pumping war between Iran and Saudi. Is there any evidence for this? I suppose 'pump pump is better than war war'
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    This happened right next door to where I work.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35241644

    No political slant, I'm still a little shaken and I'm going home for a pint.

    Newly opened, huh? Someone hasn't paid off the right people....
    Three weeks ago. So really only about a week and a half ago in terms of trading because of Christmas. When it opened we thought it looked vulnerable.

    Footage of 'brazen' armed gang escaping after Mayfair jewel raid http://bbc.in/1TEKiEN
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Just broke on BBC news,Donald Trump may pull 700 million investment in the UK(mainly in Scotland)if any attempt of banning him from coming here.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @edglasgow59: Sturgeon's dilemma. https://t.co/kyqiKVijmJ
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Can you gamers get a room somewhere...there must be one ..in an old abandoned warehouse..

    get a life?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209

    Just broke on BBC news,Donald Trump may pull 700 million investment in the UK(mainly in Scotland)if any attempt of banning him from coming here.

    Who cares? Let him do it - basically he's threatening to sell up; I doubt too many jobs are dependent upon his investments.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2016

    This happened right next door to where I work.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35241644

    No political slant, I'm still a little shaken and I'm going home for a pint.

    Newly opened, huh? Someone hasn't paid off the right people....
    Three weeks ago. So really only about a week and a half ago in terms of trading because of Christmas. When it opened we thought it looked vulnerable.

    Footage of 'brazen' armed gang escaping after Mayfair jewel raid http://bbc.in/1TEKiEN
    All Pre-Owned watches. Do high end jewellers not bother with anti bandit glass and barriers, smoke cloaking and the sirens that make you throw up?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    taffys said:

    Its interesting that the MSM is catching on to Cologne today, well behind us on PB.

    I think it is becoming too big an issue to ignore.
    The BBC were covering it yesterday as I think were newspapers. Its only just been covered in the German press.
    The BBC say there is trouble with large gangs of men in the same place every new years eve for several years. The issue is usually robbery. This year was clearly worse and the clear question is why were there not more police.
    The issue of the way women should conduct themselves has erupted because of a remark by the mayor of Cologne and as far as I can see everyone has quite rightly jumped on him.

    The BBC also give a report of a woman having a firework thrown into her hoodie. Another group of women being harassed and 'groped' by a gang of 30 men. Women have clearly been targeted but the emotive issue of rape which is exercising everyone is not yet clear. There seems to be a clear conclusion (or accusation) that well, mass rapes have been taking place. But the reporting does not justify this.
    It was on local radio in Socal this morning
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,629

    @FrancisUrquhart

    What is AR, please?

    As for the VR headsets, I reckon myself to be a chap who takes his gaming seriously so seriously in fact that there are always other sources of information I need other than those provided in game (e.g. the list of aircrafts' wing spans needed to properly adjust my sights in Cliffs of Dover) I also need to look from time to time at my keyboard to make sure I going to press the right key (even on my HOTAS system there are not enough buttons to do everything by feel/muscle memory) and, of course, I need also to know where my mug of tea (or glass of something stronger) and the ash tray is. None of that information is available whilst you have a VR headset strapped on. So the VR gubbins might be OK for some gamers playing simple games but not for grown ups.

    Augmented Reality.
    In fact Augmented Reality will answer your exact questions - the simplest version of this defines areas where you will see "reality" instead of the VR world. So in a fighter sim, you might be able to see yourself, your controls, and designated items (such as an ashtray). The rest will be covered with your sim.

    Interestingly an ultra-advanced version of this is built into the F-35 fighter - see through the floor, wings etc....
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,804

    I saw Telly do a travelogue about Scotland as the trailer before Death Race 2000. It was surreal, but highly amusing. We ran out of popcorn.

    Probably ought to have a debate in parliament about banning Telly and his views I'd say.

    I was convinced there'd be a lollipop lady gag in that video.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    FP01..or a virtual version of one..
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pauly said:

    Off-topic: Digital Justice reforms beginning to rollout today to hopefully be operational fully by March. Exciting potential for improving court efficiency & if you imagine it combined with License Fee Abolition (1 in 9 of Magistrate Court Cases) could save a lot of wasted taxpayer money.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/crime-news-update-on-better-case-management-crown-court-rollout

    License fee cases are dealt with in block courts. They may be 11-12% of cases, but they take about 1 day of court time a month.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Dearie me http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/what-if-they-remove-jeremy-corbyn-from-their-myspace-top-eig
    The dispute between the Labour’s various factions took a strange turn on the internet as one of the party’s centrist MPs has apparently blocked several pro-Corbyn MPs on Twitter.

    The dispute between the Labour’s various factions took a strange turn on the internet as one of the party’s centrist MPs has apparently blocked several pro-Corbyn MPs on Twitter...

    However, it appears that this is not an isolated case: Blenkinsop, who nominated Liz Kendall for the leadership, has long been a critic of Corbyn and he appears to have blocked many Labour MPs who strongly support the leader
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,629
    Charles said:

    taffys said:

    Its interesting that the MSM is catching on to Cologne today, well behind us on PB.

    I think it is becoming too big an issue to ignore.
    The BBC were covering it yesterday as I think were newspapers. Its only just been covered in the German press.
    The BBC say there is trouble with large gangs of men in the same place every new years eve for several years. The issue is usually robbery. This year was clearly worse and the clear question is why were there not more police.
    The issue of the way women should conduct themselves has erupted because of a remark by the mayor of Cologne and as far as I can see everyone has quite rightly jumped on him.

    The BBC also give a report of a woman having a firework thrown into her hoodie. Another group of women being harassed and 'groped' by a gang of 30 men. Women have clearly been targeted but the emotive issue of rape which is exercising everyone is not yet clear. There seems to be a clear conclusion (or accusation) that well, mass rapes have been taking place. But the reporting does not justify this.
    It was on local radio in Socal this morning
    The funny thing is that by treating it as a scary story (what if everyone in Germany rejoins the NSDAP???? Must bury story!!!!!) rather than dealing with the issue it is making the problem much worse.

    The issue is quite simple. In much of the globe, societies are much less advanced in dealing with womens rights, religious right, gay right etc. This leads to the following options -

    1) Immigrants need to be educated to respect local laws and customs.
    2) Immigrants need to be filtered for those who will respect local laws and customs.
    3) Give up on womens rights, gay rights etc.
    4) No immigrants.

    Personally I am in favour of a mix of 1 & 2.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154
    Surely there's one thing we can all agree on - the SNP dodged a mighty big bullet with oil prices now in the thirty dollar range. They were looking in a poor place at fifty bucks oil. The thirties would leave them exporting whisky ... and begging letters.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "To what extent given the low price can we justify not increasing petrol tax?"

    What insanity is this? The price of an essential commodity is falling to the benefit of all but a few businesses and a relatively small number of individuals so our response should be to artificially increase the price by raising taxes. What,as they say, tf?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnMannMP: The briefings by Seamus Milne are getting wilder. He sees himself as the new Mandelson. But a)he is not that good b) that style is old hat
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Charles said:

    Pauly said:

    Off-topic: Digital Justice reforms beginning to rollout today to hopefully be operational fully by March. Exciting potential for improving court efficiency & if you imagine it combined with License Fee Abolition (1 in 9 of Magistrate Court Cases) could save a lot of wasted taxpayer money.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/crime-news-update-on-better-case-management-crown-court-rollout

    License fee cases are dealt with in block courts. They may be 11-12% of cases, but they take about 1 day of court time a month.
    That's 12 days of pointless court time a year. "Every little helps."
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061



    But then, I'm a console gamer :p

    No one's perfect.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,629

    "To what extent given the low price can we justify not increasing petrol tax?"

    What insanity is this? The price of an essential commodity is falling to the benefit of all but a few businesses and a relatively small number of individuals so our response should be to artificially increase the price by raising taxes. What,as they say, tf?

    When the price was high the Tax&Spend types told us that taking a fixed amount of tax (x pence a litre rather than a percentage which increases dramatically the swings in price) was impossible, wrong, evul and fattening. They were, of course, hoping that prices would rise ever higher.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074

    This happened right next door to where I work.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35241644

    No political slant, I'm still a little shaken and I'm going home for a pint.

    I'm on St James's Street, so we work in the same neck of the woods...
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    Surely there's one thing we can all agree on - the SNP dodged a mighty big bullet with oil prices now in the thirty dollar range. They were looking in a poor place at fifty bucks oil. The thirties would leave them exporting whisky ... and begging letters.

    Scotland would be looking at something north of a £7 billion a year hole in the budget. It would be on a par with what the UK as a whole went through in the financial crash. The SNP's fantasy finances didn't add up at the time, now they read like a horror novel.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. kle4, don't you give me that PC gamer master race nonsense.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    glw said:

    Scotland would be looking at something north of a £7 billion a year hole in the budget. It would be on a par with what the UK as a whole went through in the financial crash. The SNP's fantasy finances didn't add up at the time, now they read like a horror novel.

    GERS predicted to be £14 billion deficit this year
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