It would indeed have been a mistake. I can't recall recommending offering a job to any candidate who wasn't prepared to draw a line in the sand somewhere.
Presumably at the point where the reputational damage wasn't matched by the fees?
That would surely be the nightmare result for the Tories.
A narrow IN result overall, but the majority of Tory voters (and the overwhelming majority of Tory members) going OUT. There would be a strong rationale then for the Tories getting a diehard Outer as next leader and going for a "one more heave" strategy and banging on about Europe and another referendum.
David Skelton .@Dannythefink often reminds us most people don't obsess about politics. Lab reshuffle only trending 19th in UK atm: https://t.co/gI1eHMzdEt
It is the most read story on BBC, though.
EDIT: Or atleast it was about half an hour ago, been knocked off by a vitally important story about Celebrity Big Brother now.
And more to the point, everyone knows most peopel don't obsess about politics, even pundits, it's just not necessary to include it as a caveat on every breathless piece about politics. And that those though who do obsess over it overstate their own influence on or representation of the wider electorate, what the Westminster bubble and its fans obsess over will cumulatively have an impact of some kind.
I can't think of any national or international event however damaging to the Conservatives that would now benefit Labour. The public would just find a new alternative like they did with the SDP. Cameron must be the luckiest leader in history
Sigh. An event that causes Corbyn and/or McDonnell to resign voluntarily might just have some benefit.
If media time is anything to go by the party are being run by a small clique of Abbott Livingstone Corbyn and McDonnell. I heard livingstone claim that Oldham with the 'best result in a century' proved how popular Corbyn was. A ridiculous claim but short of a humiliating defeat at several others I can't see why either of them would resign
I can't think of any national or international event however damaging to the Conservatives that would now benefit Labour. The public would just find a new alternative like they did with the SDP. Cameron must be the luckiest leader in history
Sigh. An event that causes Corbyn and/or McDonnell to resign voluntarily might just have some benefit.
If media time is anything to go by the party are being run by a small clique of Abbott Livingstone Corbyn and McDonnell. I heard livingstone claim that Oldham with the 'best result in a century' proved how popular Corbyn was. A ridiculous claim but short of a humiliating defeat at another one I can't see why they would resign
The Labour have been riven mad by David Cameron electoral appeal.
Just imagine how bad it will get when George Osborne wins a landslide in 2020.
It would indeed have been a mistake. I can't recall recommending offering a job to any candidate who wasn't prepared to draw a line in the sand somewhere.
Presumably at the point where the reputational damage wasn't matched by the fees?
That would have been an enterprising answer. Such candidates would need careful watching later, mind.
It would indeed have been a mistake. I can't recall recommending offering a job to any candidate who wasn't prepared to draw a line in the sand somewhere.
Presumably at the point where the reputational damage wasn't matched by the fees?
That would have been an enterprising answer. Such candidates would need careful watching later, mind.
Absolutely. You wouldn't want them to be poached by a rival firm because you hadn't promoted them fast enough.
@dylsharpe: Shadow Minister: "resignation letter done. Get me Millbank politics desk" SpAd: "Err, best wait til everyone's stopped watching the puddle"
...he will be constantly undermined regardless, so he might as well go as extreme as he can in getting a shadow cabinet that backs him, so no one there is constantly seen as a potential rival or might resign at any moment.
He is conducting a very long-term experiment to find out at what point Burnham will resign.
For quite a few years I used to conduct some of my firm's interviews for graduate recruitment. In earlier years I liked to ask candidates whether there were any clients for whom they would refuse to act on ethical grounds. I would tempt them with increasingly fraught examples: tobacco companies; sub-prime lenders; life sciences firms; neo-Nazi organisations. Of course, I was less interested in their answer and more interested in their reasoning.
In later years I had to abandon this question because it appears that there are no organisations that young graduates nowadays would refuse to act for.
For the same reason, I fear that any such very long-term experiment may be wasted on Andy Burnham.
It may be that it is not so much that graduates are more amoral than in the past as that they (perhaps mistakenly) are more inclined to think your firm is, and they are saying what they think you want to hear.
It would indeed have been a mistake. I can't recall recommending offering a job to any candidate who wasn't prepared to draw a line in the sand somewhere.
I watched Bridge of Spies on a flight recently. I tend to the Tom Hanks character's position that anyone ought to be entitled to legal representation. Indeed, I don't think that a law firm which is competent to act ought to be able to turn down a client on ethical grounds.
It's a joke, how about Muslims integrate into our way of life rather than inconvenience millions of non-Muslim schoolchildren. If living here is incompatible with their religion, well they know where the door is.
@DPJHodges: While focus is on P McFadden sacking, worth remembering Maria Eagle was sacked for crime of accurately articulating official Labour policy.
Some years ago I was driving on the M25 at full motorway speed in the fast lane, in quite heavy traffic, when the car started shuddering and making a most alarming noise. I managed to pull in safely to the hard shoulder, looked at the service booklet, and discovered that there was a BMW garage close to the next turn off. So I gently proceeded there, and asked them if they could take a look. I had to wait a bit, because they were busy, but eventually they got round to looking at the car.
All four wheels were loose. I had had the car serviced a couple of days earlier and the garage had failed to tighten the nuts. I think I was quite lucky to survive.
I remember when I was a youngster, the wheel (for the same reason) actually fell off my mothers car as she was taking me out for the day. I was for some reason looking out of the back of the car when it happened, and saw the wheel roll away behind us. On just 3 wheels we somehow managed to avoid probably 20 cars before crashing into the verge.
I think it was the EU overlords trying to knock my mum off.
My other memory from that day, was a nice old lady came out and gave us ferrero rocher. From a poor family, had never had ferrero rocher before.
I once had the steering wheel come off as I came to a roundabout , that was fun. Worst ever was bonnet opening and wrapping itself over windscreen , luckily only doing 40-50 but scary till I realised why everything had gone white and managed to stop safely.
It's a joke, how about Muslims integrate into our way of life rather than inconvenience millions of non-Muslim schoolchildren. If living here is incompatible with their religion, well they know where the door is.
School students are not required to fast if it gets in the way of their education. Claiming otherwise is misrepresenting mainstream teaching on the matter.
Years ago when my mother was a secondary school bursar, she found that the tuck shop takings went up during Ramadan - due to the Muslim kids increasing their Mars Bar intake!
David Skelton .@Dannythefink often reminds us most people don't obsess about politics. Lab reshuffle only trending 19th in UK atm: https://t.co/gI1eHMzdEt
On the other hand about a third of people don't bother to vote in any form of election these days.
I can't think of any national or international event however damaging to the Conservatives that would now benefit Labour. The public would just find a new alternative like they did with the SDP. Cameron must be the luckiest leader in history
Sigh. An event that causes Corbyn and/or McDonnell to resign voluntarily might just have some benefit.
If media time is anything to go by the party are being run by a small clique of Abbott Livingstone Corbyn and McDonnell. I heard livingstone claim that Oldham with the 'best result in a century' proved how popular Corbyn was. A ridiculous claim but short of a humiliating defeat at another one I can't see why they would resign
The Labour have been riven mad by David Cameron electoral appeal.
Just imagine how bad it will get when George Osborne wins a landslide in 2020.
It would be ironic if Cameron, the second best Tory leader in 60 years, could only achieve a hung parliament and narrow majority, but Osborne, who lacks most of Cameron's electability and appeal, achieved a Blair-esque majority.
"Teenage victim of Cologne 'African and Arab' sex mob reveals how she and her friends were surrounded by 30 men and groped as officials admit the German city is now a 'no-go' area for women"
Some years ago I was driving on the M25 at full motorway speed in the fast lane, in quite heavy traffic, when the car started shuddering and making a most alarming noise. I managed to pull in safely to the hard shoulder, looked at the service booklet, and discovered that there was a BMW garage close to the next turn off. So I gently proceeded there, and asked them if they could take a look. I had to wait a bit, because they were busy, but eventually they got round to looking at the car.
All four wheels were loose. I had had the car serviced a couple of days earlier and the garage had failed to tighten the nuts. I think I was quite lucky to survive.
I remember when I was a youngster, the wheel (for the same reason) actually fell off my mothers car as she was taking me out for the day. I was for some reason looking out of the back of the car when it happened, and saw the wheel roll away behind us. On just 3 wheels we somehow managed to avoid probably 20 cars before crashing into the verge.
I think it was the EU overlords trying to knock my mum off.
My other memory from that day, was a nice old lady came out and gave us ferrero rocher. From a poor family, had never had ferrero rocher before.
I once had the steering wheel come off as I came to a roundabout , that was fun. Worst ever was bonnet opening and wrapping itself over windscreen , luckily only doing 40-50 but scary till I realised why everything had gone white and managed to stop safely.
I once discovered an apparently common fault on my then Vauxhall Nova whereby releasing the handbrake didn't fully disengage the actual brake, when coming up to a roundabout I hit the footbrake only for it to go straight to the floor because the brake fluid had hit boiling. Fortunately, pumping the footbrake a couple of times must have flushed some other fluid in and caused it to become effective again. Still, heart-stopping for a second or so.
Mr. Max, it's also worth noting those same Muslims will one day have jobs and have to get on with life.
And that children are exempt from fasting [not sure how 'child' is defined in Islamic rules, though].
That doesn't stop them from doing it though. I'd expect a noticeable drop in exam results in schools and districts with high muslim populations now that the exam season is coinciding with the fasting one.
BBC Headline:- Police under fire over Cologne attacks
So we are on Stage II on the usual depressing process. How long before we get to Stage III, the "we need to be careful we don't create a backlash / nothing to do with culture / religion / origin..."
I can't think of any national or international event however damaging to the Conservatives that would now benefit Labour. The public would just find a new alternative like they did with the SDP. Cameron must be the luckiest leader in history
Sigh. An event that causes Corbyn and/or McDonnell to resign voluntarily might just have some benefit.
If media time is anything to go by the party are being run by a small clique of Abbott Livingstone Corbyn and McDonnell. I heard livingstone claim that Oldham with the 'best result in a century' proved how popular Corbyn was. A ridiculous claim but short of a humiliating defeat at another one I can't see why they would resign
The Labour have been riven mad by David Cameron electoral appeal.
Just imagine how bad it will get when George Osborne wins a landslide in 2020.
It would be ironic if Cameron, the second best Tory leader in 60 years, could only achieve a hung parliament and narrow majority, but Osborne, who lacks most of Cameron's electability and appeal, achieved a Blair-esque majority.
Cameron gained something in the order of 100 seats in a single general election, if you want to put that all down to him.
Mr. Urquhart, you're behind the times on that. I believe Merkel's already jumped to your third stage, and some others too (there was a protest decrying racism.
I'm feeling deprived now. No resignations in over an hour
I would expect the next batch to come just before 5pm - ready for PM and the evening news shows
If they are going to do it, I hope they try to top each other with bitter accusations or mode of resignation. Topping resigning on air may be tough.
The ultimate would be an MP in a super-marginal crossing the floor and forcing a ratifying by-election as a Tory.
This is not something I am predicting.
But keep an eye on John Woodcock (I suspect you already are) who and whose constituency fits that perfectly.
I wouldn't expect him to cross the floor but there is certainly the possibility of a by-election there that hands the seat to the Tories anyway, whether he stands as an independent or not. Labour going unilateralist doesn't quite meet his self-proclaimed trigger for resignation as that related to a Labour government, but it's close enough that he may go all the same.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
You must really be looking forward to the next "Is Labour divided/not divided?" poll numbers then. You're gonna have a field day spinning them. And how, actually, yes, voters DO support split parties....
At least Labour are doing a good job of keeping themselves in teh news. Usually the oppo party in the year after the general election contents itself with a new leader and we will launch some commissions to deicde our policies for next time. Labout now have ready made policies and leader - a jolly good show it makes for too...
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
''Mr. Urquhart, you're behind the times on that. I believe Merkel's already jumped to your third stage, and some others too (there was a protest decrying racism. ''
I feel a bit sorry for Germans. The grand coalition stitch up means its very difficult to turf out the government.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
You must really be looking forward to the next "Is Labour divided/not divided?" poll numbers then. You're gonna have a field day spinning them. And how, actually, yes, voters DO support split parties....
But that is also going to apply to the Tories re - the EU Referendum!
''Mr. Urquhart, you're behind the times on that. I believe Merkel's already jumped to your third stage, and some others too (there was a protest decrying racism. ''
I feel a bit sorry for Germans. The grand coalition stitch up means its very difficult to turf out the government.
''Mr. Urquhart, you're behind the times on that. I believe Merkel's already jumped to your third stage, and some others too (there was a protest decrying racism. ''
I feel a bit sorry for Germans. The grand coalition stitch up means its very difficult to turf out the government.
I feel very sorry for them. How were they to know Merkel would go from slow and steady approach to everything, to making totally bonkers rash decisions. Actually, all that nonsense about closing down the nuclear power stations might have been a clue.
In an effort that makes even the most dastardly of commutes look tame, Steve Wilson visited all 270 Tube stops in 15 hours and 45 minutes – shaving nearly half an hour off the previous record and winning back the title he last held in 2011.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
In an effort that makes even the most dastardly of commutes look tame, Steve Wilson visited all 270 Tube stops in 15 hours and 45 minutes – shaving nearly half an hour off the previous record and winning back the title he last held in 2011.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
Bad light now. That has been the other consideration today. If England were not able to bowl Finn and Broad what would be the point?
So, despite one of the finest Innings I have ever seen and a few stumbles today, we have a test match where all of 19 wickets fell in 5 days of play. That is not good for the game. As a test wicket this was a disgrace.
England could have won this.
Catches win matches.
They could undoubtedly have put SA under more pressure but take another 13 wickets on this wicket? I really doubt it.
There were 10 dropped catches. So that is only 3 more wickets needed and potentially with the following on enforced.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
Who won the following election?
The Tories won in 1992 - but only after ditching Thatcher. They also lost 40 seats!
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
You must really be looking forward to the next "Is Labour divided/not divided?" poll numbers then. You're gonna have a field day spinning them. And how, actually, yes, voters DO support split parties....
But that is also going to apply to the Tories re - the EU Referendum!
When the public view the Tories are as split as Labour are on defence, on national security, on the economy - then I'll give a shit. The EU? Puh....as OGH repeatedly points out, it is W-A-Y down the list of things to worry about.
Given that the country is split fifty something to forty something on the EU, then if Labour ISN'T split on the EU too, it will be portrayed in the media as Corbyn leading a party of group-think.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
You're the one that picked ICM?
But if you want to resort to insults and weak arguments, you go for it. I'll let everyone else judge you accordingly.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
@DPJHodges: The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if @PaulFlynnMP "One Leader. One Party. One Enemy" tweet became Labour's election slogan.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
You're the one that picked ICM?
But if you want to resort to insults and weak arguments, you go for it. I'll let everyone else judge you accordingly.
He keeps on ignoring what ICM said about their poll
For our part, it is clear that phone polls steadfastly continue to collect too many Labour voters in the raw sample, and the challenge for phone polling is to find a way to overcome the systematic reasons for doing so. The methodological tweaks that we have introduced since the election in part help mitigate this phenomenon by proxy, but have not overcome the core challenge.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
You're the one that picked ICM?
But if you want to resort to insults and weak arguments, you go for it. I'll let everyone else judge you accordingly.
Because it happens to be the most recent you idiot!
BBC Headline:- Police under fire over Cologne attacks
So we are on Stage II on the usual depressing process. How long before we get to Stage III, the "we need to be careful we don't create a backlash / nothing to do with culture / religion / origin..."
Thursday, officially, but as Morris dancer says, we we generally start out with that as an accepted rule. Ow, so technically it already happened.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
Sorry everyone - that's ^^^ a weak argument.
It is not an argument at all - but a simple historical fact!
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
Sorry everyone - that's ^^^ a weak argument.
It is not an argument at all - but a simple historical fact!
Looking forward to the next batch of opinion polls. Will the re-shuffle reduce Labour's ratings, specifically when it comes to voting? Often Labour supporters are told: 'you may not like your candidate, but hold your nose and vote for him.' Time for decent lefties to give the reds a miss.
@JohnRentoul: Maths question: If it takes Mr Corbyn 36 hours to fill 2 shadow cabinet posts, how long will it take to fill 3 vacancies & consequentials?
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
Who won the following election?
The Tories won in 1992 - but only after ditching Thatcher. They also lost 40 seats!
The Tories apparently also won in 1997. Under Blair...according to the Corbynista Orthodoxy.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
This time in the 1987 Parliament Thatcher had a 14/15% lead!
''Mr. Urquhart, you're behind the times on that. I believe Merkel's already jumped to your third stage, and some others too (there was a protest decrying racism. ''
I feel a bit sorry for Germans. The grand coalition stitch up means its very difficult to turf out the government.
I don't feel sorry for them. SPD voters should have been looking elsewhere for a while now and CDU voters need to start looking at AfD. The German people need to react and stop any chance of there being another grand coalition. The SPD are seeping vote share to the left and greens, and I expect after these latest attacks by immigrants people will take AfD much more seriously.
Mr. Max, worth also remembering that over here some **** judge said child sex abuse should be considered a worse crime for those from certain communities [being vague due to forgetting the detail rather than political correctness] because of their culture.
I forget the details [again], but when we looked at German politics at school it seemed the system was practically designed to stop any one party getting a majority (not as bad as the hopelessly fragmented Israeli system but closer to that than ours).
''Mr. Urquhart, you're behind the times on that. I believe Merkel's already jumped to your third stage, and some others too (there was a protest decrying racism. ''
I feel a bit sorry for Germans. The grand coalition stitch up means its very difficult to turf out the government.
I don't feel sorry for them. SPD voters should have been looking elsewhere for a while now and CDU voters need to start looking at AfD. The German people need to react and stop any chance of there being another grand coalition. The SPD are seeping vote share to the left and greens, and I expect after these latest attacks by immigrants people will take AfD much more seriously.
"Muslims who whipped woman in face with iron chains laughs in court"
That is sick. How long will the normal population of Europe put up with this. If the Eurocrats are not careful, this could see the rise and rise of nazi type fringe groups.
I can't think of any national or international event however damaging to the Conservatives that would now benefit Labour. The public would just find a new alternative like they did with the SDP. Cameron must be the luckiest leader in history
Sigh. An event that causes Corbyn and/or McDonnell to resign voluntarily might just have some benefit.
If media time is anything to go by the party are being run by a small clique of Abbott Livingstone Corbyn and McDonnell. I heard livingstone claim that Oldham with the 'best result in a century' proved how popular Corbyn was. A ridiculous claim but short of a humiliating defeat at another one I can't see why they would resign
The Labour have been riven mad by David Cameron electoral appeal.
Just imagine how bad it will get when George Osborne wins a landslide in 2020.
It would be ironic if Cameron, the second best Tory leader in 60 years, could only achieve a hung parliament and narrow majority, but Osborne, who lacks most of Cameron's electability and appeal, achieved a Blair-esque majority.
Second best? I'd say he was head and shoulders above all the post war Tory leaders. I can't think who you think was better.
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
But comparing polls now with polls this time last parliament is not like-with-like, since both main parties at this time had the same leaders they'd have at the election.
I see Paul Flynn showing his true colours. He was on SKY the other evening and said "should be getting after the enemy" i.e. the tories. Why do they have to use this appallying language, cant they just say "the opposition?
I see Paul Flynn showing his true colours. He was on SKY the other evening and said "should be getting after the enemy" i.e. the tories. Why do they have to use this appallying language, cant they just say "the opposition?
@Jamin2g: People are resigning on television, Labour are trailing by double digits in most polls. Has the penny dropped now? #bbcdp #pmqs
No they are not! Most polls have them 5 to 8 points behind.
The latest poll from yougov has Labour 10 points behind
But the most recent poll in terms of fieldwork dates is actually ICM which has Labour only 5 points behind.
Keep spinning, you might even convince yourself.
I am not spinning - why on earth not try checking the facts for once? It really is not so difficult to access these sources if you are genuinely interested. Frankly 'spin' seems to come far more naturally to you than to many others. You appear to not want to know the facts and would prefer to remain psephologically pretty ignorant whilst spouting propaganda.
Picking one poll that you like outside of a number that could be equally relevant could be fairly described as spinning, no?
But ICM was NOT the lowest lead! Why not check your facts before such stupid comments?
No, indeed. 4% is the lowest lead the Conservatives have had, eight months after the election. This time last parliament, Miliband had a steady lead.
But comparing polls now with polls this time last parliament is not like-with-like, since both main parties at this time had the same leaders they'd have at the election.
And we now know that the polls were fatally flawed
''Mr. Urquhart, you're behind the times on that. I believe Merkel's already jumped to your third stage, and some others too (there was a protest decrying racism. ''
I feel a bit sorry for Germans. The grand coalition stitch up means its very difficult to turf out the government.
I don't feel sorry for them. SPD voters should have been looking elsewhere for a while now and CDU voters need to start looking at AfD. The German people need to react and stop any chance of there being another grand coalition. The SPD are seeping vote share to the left and greens, and I expect after these latest attacks by immigrants people will take AfD much more seriously.
"Muslims who whipped woman in face with iron chains laughs in court"
That is sick. How long will the normal population of Europe put up with this. If the Eurocrats are not careful, this could see the rise and rise of nazi type fringe groups.
You are always going to get small gangs of scum bags that enjoy beating people up etc.
The difference between the two cases above and Germany is scale. They are talking about a organised gang of 1000-2000 people imported into areas of Germany that had none of this only 5 years ago, and now suffering huge problems which appears to have been swept under the carpet. The stuff that went on at New Year's appears to have been of such scale all in one place that they can't ignore it.
'That is sick. How long will the normal population of Europe put up with this. If the Eurocrats are not careful, this could see the rise and rise of nazi type fringe groups.'
The answer in that case will of course be 'mehr Europa'
It's a joke, how about Muslims integrate into our way of life rather than inconvenience millions of non-Muslim schoolchildren. If living here is incompatible with their religion, well they know where the door is.
I had thought that children were excused fasting on the grounds that they are children. I'd have thought it an act of cruelty to stop a child taking any food or drink during a hot June day when they are active.
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https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YpKkrVPNVyxj
A narrow IN result overall, but the majority of Tory voters (and the overwhelming majority of Tory members) going OUT. There would be a strong rationale then for the Tories getting a diehard Outer as next leader and going for a "one more heave" strategy and banging on about Europe and another referendum.
Just imagine how bad it will get when George Osborne wins a landslide in 2020.
SpAd: "Err, best wait til everyone's stopped watching the puddle"
What's interesting is that The Meeks list does not include the serial rapists, murderers, and drug lords that lawyers defend all the time.
So defending Sutcliffe the sequel is no problem.
Defending a member of Britain First with no criminal record? No way, I have some standards.
That's Lawyers for you.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12084785/Exams-to-be-taken-earlier-in-the-day-to-fit-around-Ramadan-exam-boards-say.html
It's a joke, how about Muslims integrate into our way of life rather than inconvenience millions of non-Muslim schoolchildren. If living here is incompatible with their religion, well they know where the door is.
Years ago when my mother was a secondary school bursar, she found that the tuck shop takings went up during Ramadan - due to the Muslim kids increasing their Mars Bar intake!
The announcement follows comments by the children's commissioner, who said the exams time table could be delayed to accommodate Muslim pupils"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12084785/Exams-to-be-taken-earlier-in-the-day-to-fit-around-Ramadan-exam-boards-say.html
And that children are exempt from fasting [not sure how 'child' is defined in Islamic rules, though].
It would be ironic if Cameron, the second best Tory leader in 60 years, could only achieve a hung parliament and narrow majority, but Osborne, who lacks most of Cameron's electability and appeal, achieved a Blair-esque majority.
I suspect he'll trigger a by election over Trident and stand as an Independent Labour candidate
Let's not talk about...
"Teenage victim of Cologne 'African and Arab' sex mob reveals how she and her friends were surrounded by 30 men and groped as officials admit the German city is now a 'no-go' area for women"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
I'm sure you're right, but I guess there must be firms who specialise in representing 'bad boy' clients like the ones you mention.
So we are on Stage II on the usual depressing process. How long before we get to Stage III, the "we need to be careful we don't create a backlash / nothing to do with culture / religion / origin..."
It can't be more than 3" deep and 6' across.
I feel a bit sorry for Germans. The grand coalition stitch up means its very difficult to turf out the government.
Labour's Shadow Defence Secretary Hyacinth Bucket, i'm sorry its pronounced Emily Thornberry, saluting the troops! https://t.co/AwHBuWnkAV
But the trouble is, there are actually 661 stations marked on the London Oystercard Map. Which, naturally, I have all visited.
270/661 = only 41%
Given that the country is split fifty something to forty something on the EU, then if Labour ISN'T split on the EU too, it will be portrayed in the media as Corbyn leading a party of group-think.
But if you want to resort to insults and weak arguments, you go for it. I'll let everyone else judge you accordingly.
For our part, it is clear that phone polls steadfastly continue to collect too many Labour voters in the raw sample, and the challenge for phone polling is to find a way to overcome the systematic reasons for doing so. The methodological tweaks that we have introduced since the election in part help mitigate this phenomenon by proxy, but have not overcome the core challenge.
http://www.icmunlimited.com/media-centre/guardian-voting/guardian-poll-december-2015
If, as is possible, mass prosecutions of British troops for alleged war crimes in Iraq go ahead later this year, the defence brief will a key one.
(b) can I offer you some more straws?
Mate. We can read you know.
Stephen Doughty
Just in case followers missed my comrade neighbour's tweet... https://t.co/eKrNu6wsNh
Another one to look out for is the Netherlands.
And Denmark:
http://10news.dk/?p=1207
"Muslims who whipped woman in face with iron chains laughs in court"
Perhaps the voters of Oldham have done more to damage the labour party than the tories ever could
Paul Flynn
Major boost for Labour in Parliament with return of Emily Thornberry, principled, idealist, intellectually strong & brilliant communicator.
I forget the details [again], but when we looked at German politics at school it seemed the system was practically designed to stop any one party getting a majority (not as bad as the hopelessly fragmented Israeli system but closer to that than ours).
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3387078/I-didn-t-way-Gang-attack-victim-thought-going-die-beaten-pulp-35-thugs-wielding-baseball-bats-golf-clubs-confronted-stone-throwing-youths.html
You are always going to get small gangs of scum bags that enjoy beating people up etc.
The difference between the two cases above and Germany is scale. They are talking about a organised gang of 1000-2000 people imported into areas of Germany that had none of this only 5 years ago, and now suffering huge problems which appears to have been swept under the carpet. The stuff that went on at New Year's appears to have been of such scale all in one place that they can't ignore it.
The answer in that case will of course be 'mehr Europa'
And they have already released the question...
https://twitter.com/derkennedysinnf/status/684504388518461440
Amazing