cathynewman · 2m2 minutes ago Labour's @KevanJonesMP has quit the front bench over #Trident I understand. More front benchers are to follow I'm told. #reshuffle
Not normally one for dramatics, but this is beginning to look seriously bad for Corbyn.
Nah we are still on the who are they level (among the public) ? It had to be Benn to cause the shit stir.
If I was Jeremy Corbyn I'd immediately resign to save further embarrassment, and if possible try and force through rule changes lowering minimum nominations to make the ballot on the NEC. ASAP preferably. The membership will do the rest, and the left may still prevail...
For all those on the Left who have gleefully expected the Tories to split apart over Europe - they seem to be missing the split currently ripping Labour apart over defence, security and terrorism. The appointment of Ken Livingstone into the mix on the future of Trident has been a huge mistake, now supplemented by the appointment of Thornberry.
It seems that David Cameron had heard about Kevan Jones's resignation before Jeremy Corbyn. If so, it has surely come to something when Labour shadow ministers are on closer terms with the Conservative Prime Minister than with their own leader.
Alarmingly, police in Dusseldorf fear the attacks may be linked to a known criminal gang comprising 2,000 North African men - who use sexual assault as a means of distraction.
It seems that David Cameron had heard about Kevan Jones's resignation before Jeremy Corbyn. If so, it has surely come to something when Labour shadow ministers are on closer terms with the Conservative Prime Minister than with their own leader.
From here Bairstow should swing the bat and then we could look at a third declaration of this match.
Even if we lose, just basically play like its a Twenty20.
Who do you think would win from here if this were a timeless test?
If it were a timeless test, England wouldn't have declared in the first place.
As an aside, I do favour a limited reintroduction of timeless tests. One reason, I expect, for the decline in popularity of test cricket is the absence of a meaningful World Championship. It'd be relatively easy to organise, with two pools of countries, semi-finals and a final, played over several years. But the problem with the semis and final is the risk of a tied series. The best way to resolve such a series would be a timeless test, either as the last in the series (if it's level going in to it), or as a tie-breaker.
It seems that David Cameron had heard about Kevan Jones's resignation before Jeremy Corbyn. If so, it has surely come to something when Labour shadow ministers are on closer terms with the Conservative Prime Minister than with their own leader.
That was beginning to be obvious during the PMQs after the Paris atrocities.
Corbyn's little group should call themselves the SWP, which is what they now are, and the rest can remain Labour.
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
If better replacements exist, why weren't they appointed first time round?!
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
Better Replacements? Does the barrel even have a bottom left, or has it been scraped through?
Mr. Eagles, saw a snippet of John Mann and Paul Flynn debating politely on Sky News yesterday evening. One suspects Mann would like a shadow post, so he could resign it.
From here Bairstow should swing the bat and then we could look at a third declaration of this match.
Even if we lose, just basically play like its a Twenty20.
Who do you think would win from here if this were a timeless test?
From here South Africa but if it was a timeless test we would never be here. The day 2 declaration would never have happened under a timeless test and the way we were playing we could have racked up close to a thousand runs and put SA under far more pressure.
From here Bairstow should swing the bat and then we could look at a third declaration of this match.
Even if we lose, just basically play like its a Twenty20.
Who do you think would win from here if this were a timeless test?
If it were a timeless test, England wouldn't have declared in the first place.
As an aside, I do favour a limited reintroduction of timeless tests. One reason, I expect, for the decline in popularity of test cricket is the absence of a meaningful World Championship. It'd be relatively easy to organise, with two pools of countries, semi-finals and a final, played over several years. But the problem with the semis and final is the risk of a tied series. The best way to resolve such a series would be a timeless test, either as the last in the series (if it's level going in to it), or as a tie-breaker.
Good idea.
Certainly we wouldn't have declared in a timeless test. I'm wondering what total would be competitive for England now, if one takes away the possibility of a draw.
German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has strongly criticised police handling of gang sex attacks on women and girls in Cologne on New Year's Eve.
"The police shouldn't work like this," he said, as it emerged only a handful of people had been arrested.
I think the local plod might ask where this gang of 1000-2000 "North African" men came from and why were they allowed into the country...
I have been to Cologne on a number of occasions over the past 10 years (not been for 3 years or so) and I can't say I ever seen large gangs of "North African" men hanging around the train station.
According to 2009 data, out of a million people in Cologne, only 8800 came from Africa. Think that might have changed a bit over past 6 years.
I'm still in denial about what McDonnell said on Radio 4 this morning. Apparently in a free vote Shadow Cabinet members should speak and vote in line with not their own conscience but the views expressed by the party leader. And JJ agrees 100% with what McFadden said about terrorists but apparently McFadden said it in the wrong context, or somesuch.
No - McDonnell said that if front benchers want to speak against the party line in a free vote, they can do so from the back benches rather than the front bench. Justin Webb couldn't grasp this, and thought McDonnell was saying that the shadow minister would have to resign, when all he was saying was he or she would have to sit in a different place to make their speech.
I am not sure I agree with you there. Webb obviously failed to ask the correct disambiguation question, and McDonnell kept repeating the phrase "speak from the back benches" which is obviously capable of two meanings. But overall I certainly didn't get the impression that McDonnell would have had no problem with Benn's speech had he made it from a different place in the Commons. The meaning I got was that you could not expect to be in the SC and disagree with the leader, even on a "free" vote.
From here Bairstow should swing the bat and then we could look at a third declaration of this match.
Even if we lose, just basically play like its a Twenty20.
Who do you think would win from here if this were a timeless test?
If it were a timeless test, England wouldn't have declared in the first place.
As an aside, I do favour a limited reintroduction of timeless tests. One reason, I expect, for the decline in popularity of test cricket is the absence of a meaningful World Championship. It'd be relatively easy to organise, with two pools of countries, semi-finals and a final, played over several years. But the problem with the semis and final is the risk of a tied series. The best way to resolve such a series would be a timeless test, either as the last in the series (if it's level going in to it), or as a tie-breaker.
Good idea.
Certainly we wouldn't have declared in a timeless test. I'm wondering what total would be competitive for England now, if one takes away the possibility of a draw.
I'm still in denial about what McDonnell said on Radio 4 this morning. Apparently in a free vote Shadow Cabinet members should speak and vote in line with not their own conscience but the views expressed by the party leader. And JJ agrees 100% with what McFadden said about terrorists but apparently McFadden said it in the wrong context, or somesuch.
No - McDonnell said that if front benchers want to speak against the party line in a free vote, they can do so from the back benches rather than the front bench. Justin Webb couldn't grasp this, and thought McDonnell was saying that the shadow minister would have to resign, when all he was saying was he or she would have to sit in a different place to make their speech.
I am not sure I agree with you there. Webb obviously failed to ask the correct disambiguation question, and McDonnell kept repeating the phrase "speak from the back benches" which is obviously capable of two meanings. But overall I certainly didn't get the impression that McDonnell would have had no problem with Benn's speech had he made it from a different place in the Commons. The meaning I got was that you could not expect to be in the SC and disagree with the leader, even on a "free" vote.
Basically, McDonnell is either foolish or a hypocrite
Foolish if the physical place where the comment is made matters A hypocrite if he objects to the speech; Benn should therefore have been fired.
Was this the worst conducted reshuffle ever? Trailed for days it was completed in the middle of the night when nobody was watching and was a complete anti climax. Then the headlines the next day are dominated by Shadow Cabinet resignations instead
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
Well at least someone is positive about the leadership, it gets boring only seeing the complainers.
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
Well at least someone is positive about the leadership, it gets boring only seeing the complainers.
Its like having the support of the bloke who sits on the bus shouting to himself whilst everyone edges away nervously.
Was this the worst conducted reshuffle ever? Trailed for days it was completed in the middle of the night when nobody was watching and was a complete anti climax. Then the headlines the next day are dominated by Shadow Cabinet resignations instead
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
Well at least someone is positive about the leadership, it gets boring only seeing the complainers.
Its like having the support of the bloke who sits on the bus shouting to himself whilst everyone edges away nervously.
Buses are for plebians.
The cruellest sentence in the English language is 'Your train has been cancelled and a replacement bus service is running instead'
@steve_hawkes: Labour's Kevan Jones goes as Shadow Defence Minister - and says Maria Eagle did not want to leave defence post "she made that very clear"
@smashmorePH: Kevan Jones: "Idea our defence policy is being controlled by the north London part of the party will be looked on with dismay by many" #wato
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
Well at least someone is positive about the leadership, it gets boring only seeing the complainers.
Its like having the support of the bloke who sits on the bus shouting to himself whilst everyone edges away nervously.
Buses are for plebs.
The cruellest sentence in the English language is 'Your train has been cancelled and a replacement bus service is running instead'
There are a few up-market routes in parts of London, with a combination of yummy mummies, private school kids, 'hard working people', and nutters.
Well that is tea. England 157 ahead, 37 overs left, 4 wickets in hand. It has been a lot more exciting than I expected but they are surely safe now. I think they played somewhat adventurously trying to set a score but the clatter of wickets has surely ended that idea.
I think they will just bat out the overs until a draw can be agreed.
@VickiYoung01: John McDonnell says shad ministers resigning "all come from narrow right-wing in Lab and never really accepted Jeremy's mandate" #reshuffle
Was this the worst conducted reshuffle ever? Trailed for days it was completed in the middle of the night when nobody was watching and was a complete anti climax. Then the headlines the next day are dominated by Shadow Cabinet resignations instead
Yes it is hard to see how it could have been worse
@ChrisMcSh: BBC's Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg confirms Corbyn's team were the ones briefing they wanted a new face in Benn's post - Daily Politics
@smashmorePH: Kevan Jones: "Idea our defence policy is being controlled by the north London part of the party will be looked on with dismay by many" #wato
Actually it did occur to me that the solution for Labour is for them to split into two parties geographically: London Labour and Northern Labour (or three if you include Scottish Labour, but they can't contribute much in the way of seats nowadays...). That way they could split without being shafted by FPTP.
Well that is tea. England 157 ahead, 37 overs left, 4 wickets in hand. It has been a lot more exciting than I expected but they are surely safe now. I think they played somewhat adventurously trying to set a score but the clatter of wickets has surely ended that idea.
I think they will just bat out the overs until a draw can be agreed.
@smashmorePH: Kevan Jones: "Idea our defence policy is being controlled by the north London part of the party will be looked on with dismay by many" #wato
Was this the worst conducted reshuffle ever? Trailed for days it was completed in the middle of the night when nobody was watching and was a complete anti climax. Then the headlines the next day are dominated by Shadow Cabinet resignations instead
Some government ones have been worse. I seem to remember a Brown reshuffle that ended in a complete shambles. I'm pretty sure that at least one Thatcher one did. And Macmillan's NOTLK still being referred to as a reference point gives proof as to its own status as a classic.
Cameron has, perhaps, been fortunate in being constrained by the coalition and so having much less scope to reshuffle last parliament.
@ChrisMcSh: BBC's Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg confirms Corbyn's team were the ones briefing they wanted a new face in Benn's post - Daily Politics
Shocked. - I think it is a given that everyone in the PLP is briefing against each other. #unity
Was this the worst conducted reshuffle ever? Trailed for days it was completed in the middle of the night when nobody was watching and was a complete anti climax. Then the headlines the next day are dominated by Shadow Cabinet resignations instead
Some government ones have been worse. I seem to remember a Brown reshuffle that ended in a complete shambles. I'm pretty sure that at least one Thatcher one did. And Macmillan's NOTLK still being referred to as a reference point gives proof as to its own status as a classic.
Cameron has, perhaps, been fortunate in being constrained by the coalition and so having much less scope to reshuffle last parliament.
According to the Seldon book he made a positive choice not to do it.
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
Well at least someone is positive about the leadership, it gets boring only seeing the complainers.
Its like having the support of the bloke who sits on the bus shouting to himself whilst everyone edges away nervously.
Buses are for plebians.
The cruellest sentence in the English language is 'Your train has been cancelled and a replacement bus service is running instead'
Reading to Oxford on the rail replacement for the last train of the day. All about the party bus, choo choo.
@VickiYoung01: John McDonnell says shad ministers resigning "all come from narrow right-wing in Lab and never really accepted Jeremy's mandate" #reshuffle
Obviously from the right of the party. "Narrow" though? What happened to representative of all views?
the world has gone mad - in the comments section of the guardian Michael White is getting called out as some sort of crypto fascist for suggesting Corbyn is.... err....not that good at politics.
Toynbee et al not pure enough for the true believers. Extraordinary as I dont really remember the old militant stuff.
I know pretty much everyone is sick of the status quo but this?
Labour really looking like two parties now irespective of a formal split.
Nah, that's been the norm regarding CIF for sometime now. These people are totally insane. They cannot take anyone disagreeing with them on anything ever. They'd probably even get angry if you didn't like the same TV shows they did.
The Cologne story is just getting worse and worse. I still cannot believe that police attitudes to rape and sexual assault can actually be like that in this day and age. And the DM comments' section on the Cologne story. Only they could believe it's been 50 years since Britain was a 'great country'. Sigh.
@bbcnickrobinson: Extraordinary to hear quitters & sacked filling airwaves with anti-Corbyn quotes which will be used again & again by Labour's opponents
Cameron has, perhaps, been fortunate in being constrained by the coalition and so having much less scope to reshuffle last parliament.
I agree that the inability to hold full reshuffles actually helped Cameron in the coalition days. I wonder if he would agree and if he'll exercise the same self-restraint now. Tricky: if you have the power of patronage there are always people demanding you use it (to promote them, naturally).
There's going to a major post-referendum reshuffle isn't there, whoever wins?
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Even if we lose, just basically play like its a Twenty20.
You could imagine the criticism in, say, five years time 'and don't forget, this was a person who was quite content to serve under Jeremy Corbyn'.
Not so much Cameron being well-informed as Corbyn and his cronies being kept in the dark.
Alarmingly, police in Dusseldorf fear the attacks may be linked to a known criminal gang comprising 2,000 North African men - who use sexual assault as a means of distraction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3386673/Women-Cologne-lockdown-council-admits-no-longer-safe-wake-African-Arab-mob-s-rapes-declares-upcoming-carnival-no-area-females.html
With just Dave and Jeremy in the chamber would have been a draw.
As an aside, I do favour a limited reintroduction of timeless tests. One reason, I expect, for the decline in popularity of test cricket is the absence of a meaningful World Championship. It'd be relatively easy to organise, with two pools of countries, semi-finals and a final, played over several years. But the problem with the semis and final is the risk of a tied series. The best way to resolve such a series would be a timeless test, either as the last in the series (if it's level going in to it), or as a tie-breaker.
Corbyn's little group should call themselves the SWP, which is what they now are, and the rest can remain Labour.
@PaulFlynnMP: Corbyn-Victory Deniers in uber-rant. Poor losers in denial on JC's victory. Celebrate departure of lightweights. Bettter Replacements coming
Certainly we wouldn't have declared in a timeless test. I'm wondering what total would be competitive for England now, if one takes away the possibility of a draw.
JC: I am the leader. I have the right to sack whoever I like and will do so.
HB: So you do.
JC: Bye
HB: Bye
"The police shouldn't work like this," he said, as it emerged only a handful of people had been arrested.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35241818
I think the local plod might ask where this gang of 1000-2000 "North African" men came from and why were they allowed into the country...
I have been to Cologne on a number of occasions over the past 10 years (not been for 3 years or so) and I can't say I ever seen large gangs of "North African" men hanging around the train station.
According to 2009 data, out of a million people in Cologne, only 8800 came from Africa. Think that might have changed a bit over past 6 years.
I should have taken him out for longer.
. @milesvtaylor Yes I feel ashamed as a member of the media that it's taken so long for us to start to get to the truth.
Details emerging about #Cologne attacks are horrifying. Covering this extensively on @Channel4News tonight.
Foolish if the physical place where the comment is made matters
A hypocrite if he objects to the speech; Benn should therefore have been fired.
The announcement follows comments by the children's commissioner, who said the exams time table could be delayed to accommodate Muslim pupils
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12084785/Exams-to-be-taken-earlier-in-the-day-to-fit-around-Ramadan-exam-boards-say.html
Apparently.
I can't think of a more stupid, apparently vindictive and badly handled one.
The cruellest sentence in the English language is 'Your train has been cancelled and a replacement bus service is running instead'
Will Maria now need to "clarify her position"?
I think they will just bat out the overs until a draw can be agreed.
But, to be honest, it wasn't. Perdiccas was a better leader, and did a better reshuffle, than Corbyn.
Labour must hope Corbyn isn't a modern Honorius: utterly rubbish, but somehow stays in post for bloody years.
Except Jezza...
Now we have Emma Two Names given a job. The infamously inarticulate MP for Safe Seat Reduced Majority.
Cameron has, perhaps, been fortunate in being constrained by the coalition and so having much less scope to reshuffle last parliament.
I've got one min betfair left on my betfair...
The Cologne story is just getting worse and worse. I still cannot believe that police attitudes to rape and sexual assault can actually be like that in this day and age. And the DM comments' section on the Cologne story. Only they could believe it's been 50 years since Britain was a 'great country'. Sigh.
As I said the other day, things have been steadily getting worse for Labour for about ten years.
The worrying thing is that trend shows no sign of reversing. If anything it is accelerating.
So, at some point in the future we might look back at this reshuffle as "the good old days".
There's going to a major post-referendum reshuffle isn't there, whoever wins?
???? Have you never heard of Rotherham? Oxford? The faults of the police were far worse there than Cologne, and that was just a few years ago.
For the Cologne police, as for the Rotherham police, the chief principle (as set by their superiors) is Not To Be Racist.
That comes before the rule of law, naturally.