Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Book recommendation for you - just got round to reading Hans J. Baer's autobiography
Enjoyable, if a little too much name-dropping (he comes across as surprising insecure)
But the title sums up what it should mean to be a banker
Yes, I remember watching the imbecility of "Roots", which portrayed white men running into the African bush with huge nets, as if to catch human butterflies.
The reality was they merely had to pull up at a quayside, where their hellish cargo was manacled and waiting, docilely, already enslaved by their own kith and kin...
Weren't they normally from enemy tribal groups captured in raids? Quite the opppsite of kith and kin.
Remind me which demographic votes, and which one doesn't?
Young adults are more likely to trust Mr Corbyn to maintain national security than older people. The Labour leader has the confidence of 44 per cent of 18- to 24-year-olds on the issue, although 56 per cent do not share it. But only 18 per cent of those aged 65 and over trust him on security, while 82 per cent do not.
Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Come come, accusing people of being racist or homophobic is perfectly acceptable in some circles, no evidence is required.
And for the record I'm not accusing you.
Incidentally are you female? I tend to address people on here as Mr but I seem to remember you're a lady.
I am indeed a lady poster, one of the relatively few on here. Not quite sure why.
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
46 is less than half dimwit, but yes an absolute majority back the PM while less than a third trust Corbyn. I suppose a broken record like you can only see bad for the PM in this.
Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Come come, accusing people of being racist or homophobic is perfectly acceptable in some circles, no evidence is required.
And for the record I'm not accusing you.
Incidentally are you female? I tend to address people on here as Mr but I seem to remember you're a lady.
I am indeed a lady poster, one of the relatively few on here. Not quite sure why.
Nerds are typically male for some reason, particularly ones willing to be outspoken. I imagine that is magnified when it comes to political nerds.
I am sure Corbyn's comments on tickling suicide bombers with feather dusters rather than shoot them did his polling the world of good on this particular question.
Yes, I remember watching the imbecility of "Roots", which portrayed white men running into the African bush with huge nets, as if to catch human butterflies.
The reality was they merely had to pull up at a quayside, where their hellish cargo was manacled and waiting, docilely, already enslaved by their own kith and kin...
Weren't they normally from enemy tribal groups captured in raids? Quite the opppsite of kith and kin.
No issue with the campaign in South Africa. If Britain had been ruled by a black minority Government and was still in a transition to a proper democracy i'm sure there'd be campaigns against statutes of people instrumental in establishing the system.
As for Oxford they are perfectly entitled to campaign. I think the statute should be left be. There is clearly a symbiotic relationship between people who want publicity and people who want to be outraged and thankfully the Daily Telegraph is there to bring them together.
Don't be a fool. This has nothing to do with "horrible Tory papers". It's the direct influence of social media on timorous "liberal" institutions. Facebook and Twitter, that's all you need, nowadays. For good or bad.
Students have had dumb arsed views for years - they are now amplified. Both by social media and newspaper wesbites - Telegraph and the Guardian respectively being clickbait central. I mentioned the Telegraph because that was what the outraged link was to and they have several articles on a largely irrelevant topic. This happened in Camden some years ago which has a block of flats called Cecil Rhodes house. The Council let the residents vote on whether they wanted the name changed, they voted no, end of story. Couldn't give a shit about Oxford colleges really.
But as kle says downthread, we now need sensible people - like us pb-ers, left and right! - to start Giving a Shit, because freedom of speech and liberalism in general is now being seriously eroded. Oxford Uni should have told this narcissistic little prick that he was welcome to his vivid opinions, and then they should have told him to go jump. But they were too scared.
Why? It should worry us. Arguably the greatest university in the world takes a slapping from some dipstick. Enough.
It's a general softening of the brain.
Anytime some minority starts bleating nonsense, otherwise normal people turn into jellyfish, lest they be turned to stone by the mere scattergun projection of "wacist", etc...
I may have missed this being mentioned before, but is this for real?!
Oxford student behind Cecil Rhodes campaign wants French flag banned on campuses The Tricolour is a “violent” symbol, comparable to the Nazi swastika, says Oxford University student activist
Regrettably so. And to think that he is using up a place which might be better given to someone who would benefit from education rather than this ignorant cry baby bullying narcissist.
Yes, I remember watching the imbecility of "Roots", which portrayed white men running into the African bush with huge nets, as if to catch human butterflies.
The reality was they merely had to pull up at a quayside, where their hellish cargo was manacled and waiting, docilely, already enslaved by their own kith and kin...
Weren't they normally from enemy tribal groups captured in raids? Quite the opppsite of kith and kin.
But they kinda looked the same, so..
I think it more likely a pan-african approach not followed then but somewhat used today was being applied when using the expression.
I may have missed this being mentioned before, but is this for real?!
Oxford student behind Cecil Rhodes campaign wants French flag banned on campuses The Tricolour is a “violent” symbol, comparable to the Nazi swastika, says Oxford University student activist
Ntokozo Qwabe, co-founder of Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford, says France has committed acts of terror and refused to concede that Isis is worse than the French state.
It's a remarkable account of his utter dickishness, if accurate, although I particularly like his rant about 'hastagism' given the very nature of the RhodesMustFall campaign.
Also, why do so many
He's not the sharpest tool in the shed, he's just a tool.
Honestly some people would rather play the victim than acknowledge that living in this country/The West in general is brilliant for non white people, we're not living under Jim Crow.
It's great for everyone, White and non-White. Not perfect, but compared to most of the world, at most points of its history, it's great. Those of us who live here are the privileged minority of mankind.
I always what my Grandfather told me about about this country, it is remarkably rewarding to anyone who puts in the efforts.
He pointed out in the space of a few years, he went from someone who was nominally under the Dominion of the UK to being a respected member of the community in the UK. Possibly even more respected than a lot of the natives in the UK.
I know my life would be a damn sight worse if I had been born and grew up in Karachi and not the UK.
It's very nice to hear that, because so often, one hears this country being slagged off.
You'll never hear me slagging this country off.
There's nothing I'd change about this country, it has given me so many fantastic opportunities. A superb education and superb job opportunities for starters.
I know that if I go for any job, my race/religion isn't going to be a bar to me getting a job.
Not bad for a country that produced Cecil Rhodes.
Cecil Rhodes was right about a number of things: "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life."
Yes, I remember watching the imbecility of "Roots", which portrayed white men running into the African bush with huge nets, as if to catch human butterflies.
The reality was they merely had to pull up at a quayside, where their hellish cargo was manacled and waiting, docilely, already enslaved by their own kith and kin...
Weren't they normally from enemy tribal groups captured in raids? Quite the opppsite of kith and kin.
But they kinda looked the same, so..
I think it more likely a pan-african approach not followed then but somewhat used today was being applied when using the expression.
I may have missed this being mentioned before, but is this for real?!
Oxford student behind Cecil Rhodes campaign wants French flag banned on campuses The Tricolour is a “violent” symbol, comparable to the Nazi swastika, says Oxford University student activist
He's an obnoxious little jerk, who should be viewed in the same light as one of those monkeys that starts masturbating in an effort to gain attention.
Quite.
But what amazes me is that a truly great, western, liberal institution like Oxford University - Oxford! - should find itself cowering in the face of his juvenile posturing.
Show some blooody backbone, Oxford. Kick him out. Ditto every university in the West. F*ck the ranting feminazis and social justice wanklords. Ignore them, or expel them.
What was that quote? A liberal is someone who won't even take his own side in an argument.
Yes, I remember watching the imbecility of "Roots", which portrayed white men running into the African bush with huge nets, as if to catch human butterflies.
The reality was they merely had to pull up at a quayside, where their hellish cargo was manacled and waiting, docilely, already enslaved by their own kith and kin...
Weren't they normally from enemy tribal groups captured in raids? Quite the opppsite of kith and kin.
But they kinda looked the same, so..
I think it more likely a pan-african approach not followed then but somewhat used today was being applied when using the expression.
Imposing today's values on the past? Cool.
We all fall into that trap at one point or another, unfortunately.
Yes, I remember watching the imbecility of "Roots", which portrayed white men running into the African bush with huge nets, as if to catch human butterflies.
The reality was they merely had to pull up at a quayside, where their hellish cargo was manacled and waiting, docilely, already enslaved by their own kith and kin...
Weren't they normally from enemy tribal groups captured in raids? Quite the opppsite of kith and kin.
I may have missed this being mentioned before, but is this for real?!
Oxford student behind Cecil Rhodes campaign wants French flag banned on campuses The Tricolour is a “violent” symbol, comparable to the Nazi swastika, says Oxford University student activist
It doesn't surprise me. Not because the guy is a hypocritical idiot, but go and read up about the people behind the original campaign in SA, they are exactly of this mindset. Statue removed, now it is on to other things that are offensive and racist and imperialist and waaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....They are still causing trouble in SA, despite the uni giving into them.
I just hope that Oxford see sense and don't give in, because it will just be the start.
Moreover, the inevitable logic behind this "erasure" of unacceptable historic figures and opinions leads, quite directly, and for example, to the prohibition of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad, as any number of cruelties can be ascribed to the Muslim invasions of Europe and north Africa and various misogynistic/antiSemitic edicts in the Koran, hadiths, etc
The Left is devouring itself. As we see with the way Corbynites have turned on Blairites, the liberal upper middle classes think they are immune from this Cultural Revolution, but they are not. The students will come for their tutors, in the end, and all they hold dear.
The morons pushing this and supporting them don't seem to have worked this out. Mohammad wasn't afraid of doing plenty of things that aren't acceptable today, but I know what side of the debate they would be on if somebody suggested that they ban all academic courses teaching anything to do with Mohammad or any societies that worship him....
Unfortunately, if we take the history of slavery as an indicator, it will be taught all all the white man disgracefully scooping up the poor black man from his home country and sending him half way around to the world to work for nothing.
When we know the real truth was various tribes in Africa were more than happy to profit from the slavery trade and were very busy enslaving other Africans and selling them to the white man.
And that slavery was legal in some of the Middle Eastern Arab states until as recently as the 1960s.
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
But 38% of people voted conservative, and he's able to bring that figure up in a yes/no question to 54% on whether people trust him to safeguard national security. Labour got 31% of the vote in 2015, and their leader is only able to convince 29% of the population in a yes/no that they trust him to safeguard national security.
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll: Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
The comments underneath are quite fascinating. It's as if some horrible phage has turned a small section of the population into complete loons, and the more they talk to each other the more they believe that they are in fact the majority. If only everyone knew the truth and wernt being lied to by the mainstream media, im sure theyll be comments about chem trails half way down.
No issue with the campaign in South Africa. If Britain had been ruled by a black minority Government and was still in a transition to a proper democracy i'm sure there'd be campaigns against statutes of people instrumental in establishing the system.
As for Oxford they are perfectly entitled to campaign. I think the statute should be left be. There is clearly a symbiotic relationship between people who want publicity and people who want to be outraged and thankfully the Daily Telegraph is there to bring them together.
Don't be a fool. This has nothing to do with "horrible Tory papers". It's the direct influence of social media on timorous "liberal" institutions. Facebook and Twitter, that's all you need, nowadays. For good or bad.
Students have had dumb arsed views for years - they are now amplified. Both by social media and newspaper wesbites - Telegraph and the Guardian respectively being clickbait central. I mentioned the Telegraph because that was what the outraged link was to and they have several articles on a largely irrelevant topic. This happened in Camden some years ago which has a block of flats called Cecil Rhodes house. The Council let the residents vote on whether they wanted the name changed, they voted no, end of story. Couldn't give a shit about Oxford colleges really.
But as kle says downthread, we now need sensible people - like us pb-ers, left and right! - to start Giving a Shit, because freedom of speech and liberalism in general is now being seriously eroded. Oxford Uni should have told this narcissistic little prick that he was welcome to his vivid opinions, and then they should have told him to go jump. But they were too scared.
Why? It should worry us. Arguably the greatest university in the world takes a slapping from some dipstick. Enough.
It's a general softening of the brain.
Anytime some minority starts bleating nonsense, otherwise normal people turn into jellyfish, lest they be turned to stone by the mere scattergun projection of "wacist", etc...
People who stand up to it are rarely promoted, therefore people rarely stand up to it.
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
But 38% of people voted conservative, and he's able to bring that figure up in a yes/no question to 54% on whether people trust him to safeguard national security. Labour got 31% of the vote in 2015, and their leader is only able to convince 29% of the population in a yes/no that they trust him to safeguard national security.
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll: Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
Corbyn can't do anything - if Labour is to have any chance in 2020 he has to go. However I think the point being made about this poll (and the recent Osborne ones) is that the Conservative numbers are not impressive, particularly considering they are up against possibly the worst major party leader ever. Looking longer term (and seeking to avoid new Labour hubris) that should be food for thought for the Conservatives.
Actually TSE in spite of the impression you like to give I would suggest that Reckless maintained his mind on major political issues. It was the Tory party - or at least the leadership of that party - that changed their stated views.
Is that true? When Reckless joined the Conservative party it was much more Europhilic. Don't forget: in the 1990s, the debate - inside the highest levels of the Conservative Party - was not about in the EU or out the EU; it was in the Euro or out the Euro. People like Teddy Taylor were marginalised in a way that Eurosceptics in the Conservative Party simply are not done so today.
Reckless wasn't involved in the Tory party in any significant way in the 1990s. At least not at any significant level. Although he was involved with the party from early to mid 2000s he wasn't elected an MP until 2010 and was the 13th most rebellious Tory MP whilst he was a member of the party. He never moved in his views on the EU and only left the party when it became clear that Cameron was in no way serious about any significant change in our relationship with the EU. Remember Carswell gave as one of his reasons for leaving the realisation that Cameron would only try and negotiate the absolute minimum of change necessary to secure a Yes vote. Something that a number of PB Tories denied when it was claimed and which has now turned out to be absolutely correct.
It is the Tory party position under Cameron which has moved from the demand for significant change to one of slight tinkering.
It will be fascinating to compare Cameron's proposed reforms in the run-up to the general election to the final package.
The Vote Leave campaign has a list of 10 points where they say Cameron has backtracked.
1: Taking back control over social and employment laws (Made 2005) 2: A ‘complete opt-out from the Charter of Fundamental Rights’ (Made 2009) 3: Stopping the ECJ overruling our criminal law (Made 2009) 4: Changing EU treaties before the referendum (Made 2014) 5: Stopping EU migrants coming to the UK without a job offer (Made 2014) 6: Removing EU jobseekers after six months (Made 2014) 7: Revising Working Time Directive to stop adverse effects on NHS (Made 2012) 8: Stopping the European Parliament meeting in two places (Made 2009) 9: Reforming the Common Agricultural Policy (Made 2015) 10: Reforming the EU’s Structural Funds (Made 2015)
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
But 38% of people voted conservative, and he's able to bring that figure up in a yes/no question to 54% on whether people trust him to safeguard national security. Labour got 31% of the vote in 2015, and their leader is only able to convince 29% of the population in a yes/no that they trust him to safeguard national security.
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll: Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
Corbyn can't do anything - if Labour is to have any chance in 2020 he has to go. However I think the point being made about this poll (and the recent Osborne ones) is that the Conservative numbers are not impressive, particularly considering they are up against possibly the worst major party leader ever. Looking longer term (and seeking to avoid new Labour hubris) that should be food for thought for the Conservatives.
Some people won't trust any politicians if asked a question like this. Some people won't trust politicians of opposing parties.
That is why you look at the contrast or net figures in questions like this - and it isn't grim reading for Cameron in this poll.
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
But 38% of people voted conservative, and he's able to bring that figure up in a yes/no question to 54% on whether people trust him to safeguard national security. Labour got 31% of the vote in 2015, and their leader is only able to convince 29% of the population in a yes/no that they trust him to safeguard national security.
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll: Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
Corbyn can't do anything - if Labour is to have any chance in 2020 he has to go. However I think the point being made about this poll (and the recent Osborne ones) is that the Conservative numbers are not impressive, particularly considering they are up against possibly the worst major party leader ever. Looking longer term (and seeking to avoid new Labour hubris) that should be food for thought for the Conservatives.
Completely agree. The Tories are extremely lucky the Loyal Opposition is unelectable. They are not ahead in the polls because they or their policies are popular. They are ahead because there is no other credible choice. One day there mught be. Though it won't be for a while.
I may have missed this being mentioned before, but is this for real?!
Oxford student behind Cecil Rhodes campaign wants French flag banned on campuses The Tricolour is a “violent” symbol, comparable to the Nazi swastika, says Oxford University student activist
It doesn't surprise me. Not because the guy is a hypocritical idiot, but go and read up about the people behind the original campaign in SA, they are exactly of this mindset. Statue removed, now it is on to other things that are offensive and racist and imperialist and waaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....They are still causing trouble in SA, despite the uni giving into them.
I just hope that Oxford see sense and don't give in, because it will just be the start.
Moreover, the inevitable logic behind this "erasure" of unacceptable historic figures and opinions leads, quite directly, and for example, to the prohibition of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad, as any number of cruelties can be ascribed to the Muslim invasions of Europe and north Africa and various misogynistic/antiSemitic edicts in the Koran, hadiths, etc
The Left is devouring itself. As we see with the way Corbynites have turned on Blairites, the liberal upper middle classes think they are immune from this Cultural Revolution, but they are not. The students will come for their tutors, in the end, and all they hold dear.
Like Saturn, the Revolution devours its own children.
When Germaine Greer is hounded from campuses because her views are now seen as "misogynist" or "transmisogynist" by intersectionalist feminists, my feeling is rather that the children are eating the Revolution.
Something tells me Cameron might fancy that third piece of Shredded Wheat after all.
Surely he has to - it's his duty after all - to preside over the total annihilation of Corbyn and the Labour party.
OK, we know Sam wants him to call it a day - he should compromise by doing two extra years and then retire in 2022 (which would look acceptable after a 2020 GE) - he will then have outdone Thatcher and Blair - and he can then go down as one of the greatest of all time.
3 GE wins + 3 referendum wins (AV, Scotland, EU) - what a record.
And still large numbers of Conservatives will hate him and laugh at him for not knowing his own football team etc - but none of that matters - as Blair showed if you want to win really big you have to infuriate many on your own side. And Cameron does that perfectly.
No issue with the campaign in South Africa. If Britain had been ruled by a black minority Government and was still in a transition to a proper democracy i'm sure there'd be campaigns against statutes of people instrumental in establishing the system.
As for Oxford they are perfectly entitled to campaign. I think the statute should be left be. There is clearly a symbiotic relationship between people who want publicity and people who want to be outraged and thankfully the Daily Telegraph is there to bring them together.
Don't be a fool. This has nothing to do with "horrible Tory papers". It's the direct influence of social media on timorous "liberal" institutions. Facebook and Twitter, that's all you need, nowadays. For good or bad.
Students have had dumb arsed views for years - they are now amplified. Both by social media and newspaper wesbites - Telegraph and the Guardian respectively being clickbait central. I mentioned the Telegraph because that was what the outraged link was to and they have several articles on a largely irrelevant topic. This happened in Camden some years ago which has a block of flats called Cecil Rhodes house. The Council let the residents vote on whether they wanted the name changed, they voted no, end of story. Couldn't give a shit about Oxford colleges really.
But as kle says downthread, we now need sensible people - like us pb-ers, left and right! - to start Giving a Shit, because freedom of speech and liberalism in general is now being seriously eroded. Oxford Uni should have told this narcissistic little prick that he was welcome to his vivid opinions, and then they should have told him to go jump. But they were too scared.
Why? It should worry us. Arguably the greatest university in the world takes a slapping from some dipstick. Enough.
It's a general softening of the brain.
Anytime some minority starts bleating nonsense, otherwise normal people turn into jellyfish, lest they be turned to stone by the mere scattergun projection of "wacist", etc...
People who stand up to it are rarely promoted, therefore people rarely stand up to it.
It's human nature, unfortunately, to seek ignorant shelter in the crowd, whatever the truth of the matter.
He who shouts loudest... The squeaking wheel gets the most oil...
Thus myths are born: "racism", "sexism", "slavery", "holocausts", etc
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
But 38% of people voted conservative, and he's able to bring that figure up in a yes/no question to 54% on whether people trust him to safeguard national security. Labour got 31% of the vote in 2015, and their leader is only able to convince 29% of the population in a yes/no that they trust him to safeguard national security.
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll: Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
Corbyn can't do anything - if Labour is to have any chance in 2020 he has to go. However I think the point being made about this poll (and the recent Osborne ones) is that the Conservative numbers are not impressive, particularly considering they are up against possibly the worst major party leader ever. Looking longer term (and seeking to avoid new Labour hubris) that should be food for thought for the Conservatives.
Completely agree. The Tories are extremely lucky the Loyal Opposition is unelectable. They are not ahead in the polls because they or their policies are popular. They are ahead because there is no other credible choice. One day there mught be. Though it won't be for a while.
Absolutely no doubt, they are lucky about who their enemy is. I'm having trouble seeing anyone on the front benches who has the charm and likeability of Cameron. I think people will accept competence though, as they did with Major. He was very different character to Thatcher. Boris is ultimately likeable, and could push the Tories over the line if he is elected at the end of the Parliament.
I wonder how he can cope with dealing with a situation of genuine gravity. If he can pull that off......
This new politics looks a lot like London Labour politics in the 1980s doesn't it? Andy Burnham must be glad Bernie Grant's dead as he'd be the perfect Shadow Home Secretary.
I am genuinely surprised that any poll can find 29% of respondents saying they would trust Jezza with the nation's security.
Wait - national security has not been prominent in the news yet.
National security is much broader than ISIS and terrorism.
Many people won't yet know that Corbyn supports unilateral nuclear disarmament - or if they do know it won't yet be prominent in their thinking.
After a sustained period of news re Trident and substantial media focus on Corbyn supporting unilateral nuclear disarmament Corbyn's ratings will fall much further in this area (from their already low level).
I can't quite believe that Corbyn is really going to replace Hilary Benn with Diane Abbott. Which probably means it will indeed happen, probably even sooner than expected.
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
I am genuinely surprised that any poll can find 29% of respondents saying they would trust Jezza with the nation's security.
Wait - national security has not been prominent in the news yet.
National security is much broader than ISIS and terrorism.
Many people won't yet know that Corbyn supports unilateral nuclear disarmament - or if they do know it won't yet be prominent in their thinking.
After a sustained period of news re Trident and substantial media focus on Corbyn supporting unilateral nuclear disarmament Corbyn's ratings will fall much further in this area (from their already low level).
Well put it this way, the only way for that number is down...
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
It was a particularly heinous example of the crime, but we should not make the mistake of thinking the institution itself was uniquely heinous, as our presentation of it sometimes makes it seems.
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
This isn't aimed at you but why don't people celebrate that this country (and the Royal Navy in particular) helped curtail slavery.
Instead of whining about Rhodes, let us celebrate something that makes all proud to be British
I can't quite believe that Corbyn is really going to replace Hilary Benn with Diane Abbott. Which probably means it will indeed happen, probably even sooner than expected.
It's a brilliant move. It means the hard left will own the consequent electoral defeats even more clearly and that the idea Corbyn is interested in a broad Labour church (copyright Nick Palmer and the Useful Idiots) will be totally discredited.
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
Perhaps you should turn the telescope around, and recognize we were the first nation to abolish slavery, and that the Royal Navy was the first global force to interdict slavery...
Instead of nonsense apologies (qua Blair) it would be no more Alice-in-Wonderland to award all living Englishmen a medal, for their "contribution" to the suppression of slavery....
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
This isn't aimed at you but why don't people celebrate that this country (and the Royal Navy in particular) helped curtail slavery.
Instead of whining about Rhodes, let us celebrate something that makes all proud to be British
My position is that we should celebrate that, and it's similarly why we shouldn't issue some nonsense 'apology' for past crimes. You cannot make up entirely for such an evil as slavery, but apologising in the present day seems pointless, as modern citizens and the modern state had nothing to do with it so issuing one is nothing more than gesture politics - the only partial recompense and gesture of any real meaning for the crime one can manage is to stop doing it, and do what you can to stop it happening elsewhere.
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
Perhaps you should turn the telescope around, and recognize we were the first nation to abolish slavery, and that the Royal Navy was the first global force to interdict slavery...
I can recognise that and the industrialised level of the British slavery trade too, can't I?
Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Come come, accusing people of being racist or homophobic is perfectly acceptable in some circles, no evidence is required.
And for the record I'm not accusing you.
Incidentally are you female? I tend to address people on here as Mr but I seem to remember you're a lady.
I am indeed a lady poster, one of the relatively few on here. Not quite sure why.
There used to be more lady posters but the site, and especially the admins, tolerated some very nasty misogynist posters, one in particular, who drove them away. Understandable that they got fed up with the abuse and left but it remains a stain on the site. Though we still hear the echos of those misogynist days from time to time from one or two posters the rest of the site seems far less tolerant of them than it used to.
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
This isn't aimed at you but why don't people celebrate that this country (and the Royal Navy in particular) helped curtail slavery.
Instead of whining about Rhodes, let us celebrate something that makes all proud to be British
I agree. One of the things that makes me proud to be British is that we do not brush our history under the carpet.
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
But 38% of people voted conservative, and he's able to bring that figure up in a yes/no question to 54% on whether people trust him to safeguard national security. Labour got 31% of the vote in 2015, and their leader is only able to convince 29% of the population in a yes/no that they trust him to safeguard national security.
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll: Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
Corbyn can't do anything - if Labour is to have any chance in 2020 he has to go. However I think the point being made about this poll (and the recent Osborne ones) is that the Conservative numbers are not impressive, particularly considering they are up against possibly the worst major party leader ever. Looking longer term (and seeking to avoid new Labour hubris) that should be food for thought for the Conservatives.
Completely agree. The Tories are extremely lucky the Loyal Opposition is unelectable. They are not ahead in the polls because they or their policies are popular. They are ahead because there is no other credible choice. One day there mught be. Though it won't be for a while.
All Corbyn wants is to take over the Labour Party. We both know that.
I can't quite believe that Corbyn is really going to replace Hilary Benn with Diane Abbott. Which probably means it will indeed happen, probably even sooner than expected.
It's a brilliant move. It means the hard left will own the consequent electoral defeats even more clearly and that the idea Corbyn is interested in a broad Labour church (copyright Nick Palmer and the Useful Idiots) will be totally discredited.
Agreed its cheered me up no end, I'm really hoping it happens.
Will also damage the Corbyn as a nice man brand. Beginning to look more like a zealot with manners.
Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Come come, accusing people of being racist or homophobic is perfectly acceptable in some circles, no evidence is required.
And for the record I'm not accusing you.
Incidentally are you female? I tend to address people on here as Mr but I seem to remember you're a lady.
I am indeed a lady poster, one of the relatively few on here. Not quite sure why.
There used to be more lady posters but the site, and especially the admins, tolerated some very nasty misogynist posters, one in particular, who drove them away. Understandable that they got fed up with the abuse and left but it remains a stain on the site. Though we still hear the echos of those misogynist days from time to time from one or two posters the rest of the site seems far less tolerant of them than it used to.
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
But 38% of people voted conservative, and he's able to bring that figure up in a yes/no question to 54% on whether people trust him to safeguard national security. Labour got 31% of the vote in 2015, and their leader is only able to convince 29% of the population in a yes/no that they trust him to safeguard national security.
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll: Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
Corbyn can't do anything - if Labour is to have any chance in 2020 he has to go. However I think the point being made about this poll (and the recent Osborne ones) is that the Conservative numbers are not impressive, particularly considering they are up against possibly the worst major party leader ever. Looking longer term (and seeking to avoid new Labour hubris) that should be food for thought for the Conservatives.
Completely agree. The Tories are extremely lucky the Loyal Opposition is unelectable. They are not ahead in the polls because they or their policies are popular. They are ahead because there is no other credible choice. One day there mught be. Though it won't be for a while.
Hopefully by that day the government will no longer need to be eliminating an enormous structural deficit through cuts. A while could be long enough.
We really have been lucky to need to cut back so much from Brown's mistakes we don't just have Brown to blame (which gets old) but going from one crap opposition to an even worse one. Cameron is one lucky general.
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
This isn't aimed at you but why don't people celebrate that this country (and the Royal Navy in particular) helped curtail slavery.
Instead of whining about Rhodes, let us celebrate something that makes all proud to be British
I agree. One of the things that makes me proud to be British is that we do not brush our history under the carpet.
It's one of the major coincidences of history that Cecil Rhodes discovered Rhodesia.
Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Come come, accusing people of being racist or homophobic is perfectly acceptable in some circles, no evidence is required.
And for the record I'm not accusing you.
Incidentally are you female? I tend to address people on here as Mr but I seem to remember you're a lady.
I am indeed a lady poster, one of the relatively few on here. Not quite sure why.
There used to be more lady posters but the site, and especially the admins, tolerated some very nasty misogynist posters, one in particular, who drove them away. Understandable that they got fed up with the abuse and left but it remains a stain on the site. Though we still hear the echos of those misogynist days from time to time from one or two posters the rest of the site seems far less tolerant of them than it used to.
"Plato", "Cyclefree", and some others I can't remember.
How are we supposed to even notice they are women?
They stand or fall on the quality their contributions, as do we all...
"Europeans did it [slavery] on a far greater scale than anyone else ...."
A slight shortage of history knowledge there, I think, see slavery in Asia for details.
" ... and grew richer on the back of it."
Aside from those states that actually built their entire economy on slavery, that is. See Asia again plus some of the ancient societies (e.g. Rome) though those were I grant in the the geographical area we today call Europe. One also needs to be aware of the pernicious influence of historians like Hobsbawn who wrote great chunks on the enrichment of England by the slave trade.
Hobsbawn was a marxist writing with an agenda and when I did my history degree one of the real pleasures was demonstrating that historical "facts" about how the profits from slavery kick-started the industrial revolution were complete and utter bollocks. If anything the slave trade, like the empire as a whole was a net drain on the economy and, like the empire, the its long-term effects (which we still feel today) on British education and industry were malignant.
Pretty shocking that 46% don't trust Cameron to safeguard national security.
I'd have trusted Miliband to do that - mainly because there are enough checks and balances in the system to prevent all but a lunatic destroying things completely.
Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Come come, accusing people of being racist or homophobic is perfectly acceptable in some circles, no evidence is required.
And for the record I'm not accusing you.
Incidentally are you female? I tend to address people on here as Mr but I seem to remember you're a lady.
I am indeed a lady poster, one of the relatively few on here. Not quite sure why.
There used to be more lady posters but the site, and especially the admins, tolerated some very nasty misogynist posters, one in particular, who drove them away. Understandable that they got fed up with the abuse and left but it remains a stain on the site. Though we still hear the echos of those misogynist days from time to time from one or two posters the rest of the site seems far less tolerant of them than it used to.
Why on earth was such behaviour tolerated?
That question cannot be answered, at least not on here, because to do so would entail discussing how the site is moderated and that is verboten (on the whole, rightly so in my view).
Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Book recommendation for you - just got round to reading Hans J. Baer's autobiography
Enjoyable, if a little too much name-dropping (he comes across as surprising insecure)
But the title sums up what it should mean to be a banker
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
Sorry but anyway you read this its a disaster for Corbyn.
Those are actually pretty good figures for Cameron given that probably a third of the population consider him (and any other Tory, former Tory, slightly right wing Labour and anyone who doesn't think Marx was a philosophical genius) to be some sort of reincarnation of the anti-christ.
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
This isn't aimed at you but why don't people celebrate that this country (and the Royal Navy in particular) helped curtail slavery.
Instead of whining about Rhodes, let us celebrate something that makes all proud to be British
I agree. One of the things that makes me proud to be British is that we do not brush our history under the carpet.
It's one of the major coincidences of history that Cecil Rhodes discovered Rhodesia.
WAAACCIST!
It had been discovered before him. He just applied his name to an arbitrary piece of land.
So half don't trust the PM but it's a disaster for Corbyn.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
But 38% of people voted conservative, and he's able to bring that figure up in a yes/no question to 54% on whether people trust him to safeguard national security. Labour got 31% of the vote in 2015, and their leader is only able to convince 29% of the population in a yes/no that they trust him to safeguard national security.
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll: Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
Corbyn can't do anything - if Labour is to have any chance in 2020 he has to go. However I think the point being made about this poll (and the recent Osborne ones) is that the Conservative numbers are not impressive, particularly considering they are up against possibly the worst major party leader ever. Looking longer term (and seeking to avoid new Labour hubris) that should be food for thought for the Conservatives.
Completely agree. The Tories are extremely lucky the Loyal Opposition is unelectable. They are not ahead in the polls because they or their policies are popular. They are ahead because there is no other credible choice. One day there mught be. Though it won't be for a while.
Hopefully by that day the government will no longer need to be eliminating an enormous structural deficit through cuts. A while could be long enough.
We really have been lucky to need to cut back so much from Brown's mistakes we don't just have Brown to blame (which gets old) but going from one crap opposition to an even worse one. Cameron is one lucky general.
Yes. It's possible to see Cameron going down, a la Nabavi, as one of the better peacetime prime-ministers of the last 100 years, simply down to being competent and decent when his opposition is risible and divided.
Kinda like a Tory Clinton. A man of no great principle, or revolutionary zeal, certainly no Thatcher or Churchill, no Lincoln or Roosevelt, but a man who got lucky, a man with just enough charm and smarts.
Though the EU referendum represents a clear and present danger to this potential legacy.
Sounds a bit like Baldwin. Quite a compliment in Tory circles.
Corbyn for PM @Corbyn4nextPM 21h21 hours ago Lynton Crosby (Tory election strategist)is to be given knighthood for a contribution to public services,
That is beneath contempt. The whole honours system was disreputable anyway - now its a private fiefdom owned by the Tory party.
Almost as bad as enobling an alleged paedophile like Lord Janner.
Alleged ?
Yes. Alleged. He was never convicted. And until someone is convicted, they are innocent in the eyes of the law. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and worthwhile principle and one worth preserving, not for throwing overboard just because the allegation is of paedophilia or the person is a political opponent or whatever.
Lots of people suffered from miscarriages of justice and had their lives ruined. It might be worth mentioning Stephen Kiszko: wrongly convicted of killing a child after sexually abusing her.
People - some of them anyway - seem to lose their reason when it comes to allegations of paedophilia. It's precisely because it's a serious crime that we shouldn't go round behaving like hysterical Salem girls at the mere mention of the word.
Book recommendation for you - just got round to reading Hans J. Baer's autobiography
Enjoyable, if a little too much name-dropping (he comes across as surprising insecure)
But the title sums up what it should mean to be a banker
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
This isn't aimed at you but why don't people celebrate that this country (and the Royal Navy in particular) helped curtail slavery.
Instead of whining about Rhodes, let us celebrate something that makes all proud to be British
I agree. One of the things that makes me proud to be British is that we do not brush our history under the carpet.
It's one of the major coincidences of history that Cecil Rhodes discovered Rhodesia.
WAAACCIST!
It had been discovered before him. He just applied his name to an arbitrary piece of land.
I shared a house as a student with three Zambians and a Malawian.
Lovely guys, but they didn't like reminding we discovered them.
Well, they sure as hell didn't discover us... or knew what the feck a university was, before we showed them...
Sounds a bit like Baldwin. Quite a compliment in Tory circles.
I bow to your knowledge of Tory circles of course, but I am not sure how a PM who consistently ducks the big questions and whose prefered tactic seems to be kicking the can down the road should or even could be regarded as a great, or even good, peace-time prime minister.
Sounds a bit like Baldwin. Quite a compliment in Tory circles.
I bow to your knowledge of Tory circles of course, but I am not sure how a PM who consistently ducks the big questions and whose prefered tactic seems to be kicking the can down the road should or even could be regarded as a great, or even good, peace-time prime minister.
House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has taken an extra pay rise - on top of the 10 per cent handed to MPs this year.
Mr Bercow, who has held the position of Speaker since 2009, has accepted an additional 0.62 per cent increase to the salary for his official role, taking his pay to more than £150,000.
Sounds a bit like Baldwin. Quite a compliment in Tory circles.
I bow to your knowledge of Tory circles of course, but I am not sure how a PM who consistently ducks the big questions and whose prefered tactic seems to be kicking the can down the road should or even could be regarded as a great, or even good, peace-time prime minister.
You make him sound like Obama.
Perhaps the comparison is a good one, Mr. B. There are, of course, certain philosophical details about their respective posts that differ, but at the human level they do in many ways seem remarkably similar. Men that entered politics for "the fun of the thing" and sought office for the sake of gaining office, and once having gained it are happy to relinquish it again without having achieved much, except for themselves of course.
I would go to the barricades to defend keeping the Rhodes statue in Oxford. But I would never do it on the grounds that the industrialised slavery practised by the British and other Europeans was just like what everyone else did. The fact that slavery was not solely a European phenomoben does not make what our forebears did any less horrific. Scale is a factor. Europeans did it on a far greater scale than anyone else and grew richer on the back of it. The population transfers involved are unmatched. We need to recognise that and accept that even now it causes genuine and understandable outrage.
Perhaps you should turn the telescope around, and recognize we were the first nation to abolish slavery, and that the Royal Navy was the first global force to interdict slavery...
I can recognise that and the industrialised level of the British slavery trade too, can't I?
The British left habitually give too much weight to the latter and too little to the former.
House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has taken an extra pay rise - on top of the 10 per cent handed to MPs this year.
Mr Bercow, who has held the position of Speaker since 2009, has accepted an additional 0.62 per cent increase to the salary for his official role, taking his pay to more than £150,000.
House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has taken an extra pay rise - on top of the 10 per cent handed to MPs this year.
Mr Bercow, who has held the position of Speaker since 2009, has accepted an additional 0.62 per cent increase to the salary for his official role, taking his pay to more than £150,000.
The temperature at the start of tonight's Sunday Night Football game (Giants at Vikings) played outdoors in Minneapolis Minnesota is 14 degrees (32 is freezing). It's expected to drop during the game.
In Celcius I believe it's referred to as Brass Monkey weather.
@RobD My chosen profession isn't that intellectually challenging, and requires interaction with experts in their own field.
So I read widely to keen my brain sharp and peruse PB to make sure I have random gobbets of knowledge in multiple fields that allow my to appear more erudite than I am.
The temperature at the start of tonight's Sunday Night Football game (Giants at Vikings) played outdoors in Minneapolis Minnesota is 14 degrees (32 is freezing). It's expected to drop during the game.
In Celcius I believe it's referred to as Brass Monkey weather.
The coldest business trip I've ever made was to Minneapolis-St Paul in the middle of December. And I'd manage to leave my greatcoat in a cupboard in Paris.
The temperature at the start of tonight's Sunday Night Football game (Giants at Vikings) played outdoors in Minneapolis Minnesota is 14 degrees (32 is freezing). It's expected to drop during the game.
In Celcius I believe it's referred to as Brass Monkey weather.
Posting in Fahrenheit is violating my safe space But thank you for posting a trigger warning. I'll jazz-hands you for that. Just don't start USCustomarysplaining your choice of units.
For me such weather is known as "Where the ¿#@$! did I put my gloves?"
The temperature at the start of tonight's Sunday Night Football game (Giants at Vikings) played outdoors in Minneapolis Minnesota is 14 degrees (32 is freezing). It's expected to drop during the game.
In Celcius I believe it's referred to as Brass Monkey weather.
The coldest business trip I've ever made was to Minneapolis-St Paul in the middle of December. And I'd manage to leave my greatcoat in a cupboard in Paris.
Many years ago I used to live north of Toronto. It was a great place to live - and a great city - except for the climate.
December temperatures got well below -18 celsius, particularly with a wind. It is so cold that metal doesn't feel cold, and if you try to open a car door without gloves, it takes the skin off your fingers.
One Christmas Eve, it was so cold the power cables became brittle and broke in the wind. Midnight Mass at the local catholic church was imprisoned as they lost power and the church doors were frozen shut.
I just assumed it was God's way of saying that being Anglican was the way to go
@RobD My chosen profession isn't that intellectually challenging, and requires interaction with experts in their own field.
So I read widely to keen my brain sharp and peruse PB to make sure I have random gobbets of knowledge in multiple fields that allow my to appear more erudite than I am.
Here's some mindfucks for you:
Zipf's law (the frequency of a word is inversely proportional to its rank): www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCn8zs912OE Euler's identity (you can write a real-world equation that uses the square root of minus one): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_identity
The temperature at the start of tonight's Sunday Night Football game (Giants at Vikings) played outdoors in Minneapolis Minnesota is 14 degrees (32 is freezing). It's expected to drop during the game.
In Celcius I believe it's referred to as Brass Monkey weather.
The coldest business trip I've ever made was to Minneapolis-St Paul in the middle of December. And I'd manage to leave my greatcoat in a cupboard in Paris.
Many years ago I used to live north of Toronto. It was a great place to live - and a great city - except for the climate.
December temperatures got well below -18 celsius, particularly with a wind. It is so cold that metal doesn't feel cold, and if you try to open a car door without gloves, it takes the skin off your fingers.
One Christmas Eve, it was so cold the power cables became brittle and broke in the wind. Midnight Mass at the local catholic church was imprisoned as they lost power and the church doors were frozen shut.
I just assumed it was God's way of saying that being Anglican was the way to go
Hah! I spend a lot of time with qualified DVMs and the stories that the Canadian field vets tell are the worst.
Like the time that the head of R&D at a big global company told me about the time he was suffering frostbitten fingers in a storm in Northern Ontario. So he stripped off the sleeves from his overcoat (Canadian jackets are made with shoulder zips) and plunged both arms past the elbow into a cow's rear end...
Or the time when another explained to me (over supper!) the consequences of standing directly behind a cow with a cough...
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Young adults are more likely to trust Mr Corbyn to maintain national security than older people. The Labour leader has the confidence of 44 per cent of 18- to 24-year-olds on the issue, although 56 per cent do not share it. But only 18 per cent of those aged 65 and over trust him on security, while 82 per cent do not.
What a bizarre world you inhabit.
Anytime some minority starts bleating nonsense, otherwise normal people turn into jellyfish, lest they be turned to stone by the mere scattergun projection of "wacist", etc...
Adjectives I would use to describe this poll:
Traumatic, horrendous, alarming
You need to wake up and understand quite what this means, and work through what Corbyn can do, if anything, to turn it around. Just waiting and hoping for the economy to go t*ts up is not enough...
His opponent has been successfully tarred...Cameron got time for a spot of Candy Crush...
Some people won't trust politicians of opposing parties.
That is why you look at the contrast or net figures in questions like this - and it isn't grim reading for Cameron in this poll.
OK, we know Sam wants him to call it a day - he should compromise by doing two extra years and then retire in 2022 (which would look acceptable after a 2020 GE) - he will then have outdone Thatcher and Blair - and he can then go down as one of the greatest of all time.
3 GE wins + 3 referendum wins (AV, Scotland, EU) - what a record.
And still large numbers of Conservatives will hate him and laugh at him for not knowing his own football team etc - but none of that matters - as Blair showed if you want to win really big you have to infuriate many on your own side. And Cameron does that perfectly.
He who shouts loudest... The squeaking wheel gets the most oil...
Thus myths are born: "racism", "sexism", "slavery", "holocausts", etc
I wonder how he can cope with dealing with a situation of genuine gravity. If he can pull that off......
Shadow Chancellor: John McDonnell
Shadow Foreign Secretary: Diane Abbott.
Cameron found a genie on May 7th didn't he?
A goodnight to all, with this charming tale out of Sri Lanka
Sri Lanka's president says the organisers of an Enrique Iglesias gig should be whipped as punishment over the behaviour of some female fans.
He said the organisers should be "whipped with toxic stingray tails" - referring to an ancient punishment.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35186892
At least someone is tough on declining moral standards!
National security is much broader than ISIS and terrorism.
Many people won't yet know that Corbyn supports unilateral nuclear disarmament - or if they do know it won't yet be prominent in their thinking.
After a sustained period of news re Trident and substantial media focus on Corbyn supporting unilateral nuclear disarmament Corbyn's ratings will fall much further in this area (from their already low level).
Instead of whining about Rhodes, let us celebrate something that makes all proud to be British
Instead of nonsense apologies (qua Blair) it would be no more Alice-in-Wonderland to award all living Englishmen a medal, for their "contribution" to the suppression of slavery....
And now really good night.
Heh
Intelligence agency has warned a gun or bomb attack could be carried out in crowded places in a major European city between Christmas and New Year
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12070827/London-terror-alert-over-New-Years-Eve-attack-fears.html
Will also damage the Corbyn as a nice man brand. Beginning to look more like a zealot with manners.
We really have been lucky to need to cut back so much from Brown's mistakes we don't just have Brown to blame (which gets old) but going from one crap opposition to an even worse one. Cameron is one lucky general.
Okay....
How are we supposed to even notice they are women?
They stand or fall on the quality their contributions, as do we all...
A slight shortage of history knowledge there, I think, see slavery in Asia for details.
" ... and grew richer on the back of it."
Aside from those states that actually built their entire economy on slavery, that is. See Asia again plus some of the ancient societies (e.g. Rome) though those were I grant in the the geographical area we today call Europe. One also needs to be aware of the pernicious influence of historians like Hobsbawn who wrote great chunks on the enrichment of England by the slave trade.
Hobsbawn was a marxist writing with an agenda and when I did my history degree one of the real pleasures was demonstrating that historical "facts" about how the profits from slavery kick-started the industrial revolution were complete and utter bollocks. If anything the slave trade, like the empire as a whole was a net drain on the economy and, like the empire, the its long-term effects (which we still feel today) on British education and industry were malignant.
And then felt virtuous enough to follow up with a double helping of brownie
I'd have trusted Miliband to do that - mainly because there are enough checks and balances in the system to prevent all but a lunatic destroying things completely.
Those are actually pretty good figures for Cameron given that probably a third of the population consider him (and any other Tory, former Tory, slightly right wing Labour and anyone who doesn't think Marx was a philosophical genius) to be some sort of reincarnation of the anti-christ.
It had been discovered before him. He just applied his name to an arbitrary piece of land.
Lovely guys, but they didn't like reminding we discovered them.
Well, they sure as hell didn't discover us... or knew what the feck a university was, before we showed them...
Mr Bercow, who has held the position of Speaker since 2009, has accepted an additional 0.62 per cent increase to the salary for his official role, taking his pay to more than £150,000.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3375548/Speaker-John-Bercow-takes-extra-pay-rise-salary-tops-150-000.html
The temperature at the start of tonight's Sunday Night Football game (Giants at Vikings) played outdoors in Minneapolis Minnesota is 14 degrees (32 is freezing). It's expected to drop during the game.
In Celcius I believe it's referred to as Brass Monkey weather.
So I read widely to keen my brain sharp and peruse PB to make sure I have random gobbets of knowledge in multiple fields that allow my to appear more erudite than I am.
For me such weather is known as "Where the ¿#@$! did I put my gloves?"
I would gladly debate with you, but the site gets rather spooked by such matters.
December temperatures got well below -18 celsius, particularly with a wind. It is so cold that metal doesn't feel cold, and if you try to open a car door without gloves, it takes the skin off your fingers.
One Christmas Eve, it was so cold the power cables became brittle and broke in the wind. Midnight Mass at the local catholic church was imprisoned as they lost power and the church doors were frozen shut.
I just assumed it was God's way of saying that being Anglican was the way to go
Zipf's law (the frequency of a word is inversely proportional to its rank): www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCn8zs912OE
Euler's identity (you can write a real-world equation that uses the square root of minus one): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_identity
Like the time that the head of R&D at a big global company told me about the time he was suffering frostbitten fingers in a storm in Northern Ontario. So he stripped off the sleeves from his overcoat (Canadian jackets are made with shoulder zips) and plunged both arms past the elbow into a cow's rear end...
Or the time when another explained to me (over supper!) the consequences of standing directly behind a cow with a cough...