Where's Lacey when you need her? Cagney the dog gets her head stuck in a chair - needing three firefighters to crack the case
Cagney, a Lhasa Apso, got stuck in Swinton, Greater Manchester Seven-year-old dog was rescued by emergency services after getting stuck Cagney was 'unfazed' by ordeal despite being stuck for an hour
Ukip to target Jeremy Corbyn's 'disdain for monarchy and military' in by-election battle Sources tell Telegraph that Mr Corbyn will be repeatedly characterised as unpatriotic in a bid to win over working class Labour supporters
His criticism of the Falklands War, links to Sinn Fein and controversial new advisers will all be brought up on the door step in what could prove a highly personalised campaign.
Ukip to target Jeremy Corbyn's 'disdain for monarchy and military' in by-election battle Sources tell Telegraph that Mr Corbyn will be repeatedly characterised as unpatriotic in a bid to win over working class Labour supporters
His criticism of the Falklands War, links to Sinn Fein and controversial new advisers will all be brought up on the door step in what could prove a highly personalised campaign.
Not a fan of tub thumping "British is best" stuff, but I think appealing to Tories to vote UKIP in order to embarrass Labour is a wise move
I suspect it will be more based on his views on immigration will it not? Obviously they can't say that.
Surely the most toxic stuff is the IRA and Falklands stuff. I've met plenty of republicans out there, as well as people that aren't too pro-military, but almost everyone seems to be disgusted by the IRA and thinks Argentina's claim to the Falklands is nonsense.
I'm very pro Falklands, at the risk of starting a pointless debate - I watched a More4 docu about the sinking of the Tirpitz yesterday - losing c1000 lives.
AFAIC the Belgrano was the same type of enemy target.
Ukip to target Jeremy Corbyn's 'disdain for monarchy and military' in by-election battle Sources tell Telegraph that Mr Corbyn will be repeatedly characterised as unpatriotic in a bid to win over working class Labour supporters
His criticism of the Falklands War, links to Sinn Fein and controversial new advisers will all be brought up on the door step in what could prove a highly personalised campaign.
Not a fan of tub thumping "British is best" stuff, but I think appealing to Tories to vote UKIP in order to embarrass Labour is a wise move
I suspect it will be more based on his views on immigration will it not? Obviously they can't say that.
Surely the most toxic stuff is the IRA and Falklands stuff. I've met plenty of republicans out there, as well as people that aren't too pro-military, but almost everyone seems to be disgusted by the IRA and thinks Argentina's claim to the Falklands is nonsense.
Thank you Mike and all the others who welcomed me, thoroughly enjoyed it. Have read a lot of threads on PB in the past you build up a mental picture of some of the posters. I have to say 'Ave It was not as I expected at all. An amusing chap though, in real life as well as on this blog.
A noble first post! Malcolm combines a hair trigger temper and rudeness with an ocassional quite genial wit. He is a fixture and I happily remember our discussions about turnips in French. The auld alliance indeed!
It was great to see you and so many others last night!
Would love to hear someone defending this, because right now it's the worst piece of domestic policy I've seen my party support in the last decade.
Shall we wait to see what is in the Bill, rather than discuss an Indy article about a Telegraph article about what might be in the Bill?
Often the way a bill gets written is that they float the most extreme ideas before it is published to see what they can get away with.
I will be utterly unsurprised if all that is in the bill. And how long before it starts getting abused? Didn't NSA workers call using their systems to check out future partners or ex's 'Loveint'?
I think they'd be best to close their conference and social media sites today - sadly their support levels would probably rise - they really are that bad !!
OT I've never understood Coldplay being so popular - I like two tracks Ruled the World and Viva la Vida.
What's their appeal? They've given millions to Kids Company too.
Isn't that just one track?
Their appeal (to me; I go through phases with them) is that the music offers thoughtful lyrics and very strong melodies. I don't admire them on a 'Chris Martin on a plane with Bono to help some Africans' level. I always think empty-headed celebrity activism can often do more harm than good - like when Live Aid money was used to ethnically cleanse parts of Ethiopia.
Would love to hear someone defending this, because right now it's the worst piece of domestic policy I've seen my party support in the last decade.
Shall we wait to see what is in the Bill, rather than discuss an Indy article about a Telegraph article about what might be in the Bill?
Often the way a bill gets written is that they float the most extreme ideas before it is published to see what they can get away with.
I will be utterly unsurprised if all that is in the bill. And how long before it starts getting abused? Didn't NSA workers call using their systems to check out future partners or ex's 'Loveint'?
It is being considered because the police asked for it.
The Tories must be pleased with these polls which mean that Corbyn won't be deposed any time soon, in the same way that the polls from 2010-15 were putting Ed in the lead most of the time even though he was never going to win.
The problem us that using that criteria you would be hard pressed to find many papers to read at all. The Telegraph and Independent both seem to be adopting that tactic from their respective flanks as do the Guardian and Times to a lesser extent. Sensationalism tied to overt partisanship seems to be the basic modus operandi of all papers these days.
I would agree however that here are degrees and the Mail seems to have taken the technique to an extreme .
Agreed. It's odd that there doesn't seem to be a market for a scrupulously neutral paper at all - the Indie launched itself on that basis, but has ended up as a sort of pale version of the Guardian. The Times used to come close, but has drifted markedly to the right. The Guardian is my comfort zone but I'd really rather read an impartial paper.
And yet people seem to want non-partisan neutrality from the BBC, and complain bitterly when they don't think they're getting it.
You're quite right - it's one song and a good one useful for many TV moments which is where I came across it.
I tried others and dirge springs to mind. I really don't get them at all. I trip across allsorts of artists from their use on TV shows and became a fan of Snow Patrol as a result.
OT I've never understood Coldplay being so popular - I like two tracks Ruled the World and Viva la Vida.
What's their appeal? They've given millions to Kids Company too.
Isn't that just one track?
Their appeal (to me; I go through phases with them) is that the music offers thoughtful lyrics and very strong melodies. I don't admire them on a 'Chris Martin on a plane with Bono to help some Africans' level. I always think empty-headed celebrity activism can often do more harm than good - like when Live Aid money was used to ethnically cleanse parts of Ethiopia.
Love the bizarre video for The Hardest Part: ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAGbq3A9HfA
I'm very pro Falklands, at the risk of starting a pointless debate - I watched a More4 docu about the sinking of the Tirpitz yesterday - losing c1000 lives.
AFAIC the Belgrano was the same type of enemy target.
Ukip to target Jeremy Corbyn's 'disdain for monarchy and military' in by-election battle Sources tell Telegraph that Mr Corbyn will be repeatedly characterised as unpatriotic in a bid to win over working class Labour supporters
His criticism of the Falklands War, links to Sinn Fein and controversial new advisers will all be brought up on the door step in what could prove a highly personalised campaign.
Not a fan of tub thumping "British is best" stuff, but I think appealing to Tories to vote UKIP in order to embarrass Labour is a wise move
I suspect it will be more based on his views on immigration will it not? Obviously they can't say that.
Surely the most toxic stuff is the IRA and Falklands stuff. I've met plenty of republicans out there, as well as people that aren't too pro-military, but almost everyone seems to be disgusted by the IRA and thinks Argentina's claim to the Falklands is nonsense.
The Tirpitz was a threat in a time of peril for the nation. That wasn't the case with the Belgrano. I would though entirely support the decision to sink her. War's are wars - this concept of the 'rules of war' is simply nonsense. No country fighting for its existence should think twice about these things. A country not fighting for its existence might care to do so, but I view it as a pretty pointless exercise.
All this stuff about not torturing prisoners and the like was promoted by those most likely to be actually taken prisoner.
When at war, do what will help you win. You can be judged afterwards if the world likes.
Would love to hear someone defending this, because right now it's the worst piece of domestic policy I've seen my party support in the last decade.
Shall we wait to see what is in the Bill, rather than discuss an Indy article about a Telegraph article about what might be in the Bill?
Often the way a bill gets written is that they float the most extreme ideas before it is published to see what they can get away with.
I will be utterly unsurprised if all that is in the bill. And how long before it starts getting abused? Didn't NSA workers call using their systems to check out future partners or ex's 'Loveint'?
It is being considered because the police asked for it.
The Home Office and plod have a whole wish list of stuff they'd love to see brought in. Giving more power like this to plod is like giving vodka and car keys to teenage boys.
The Tories must be pleased with these polls which mean that Corbyn won't be deposed any time soon, in the same way that the polls from 2010-15 were putting Ed in the lead most of the time even though he was never going to win.
Except Corbyn is nowhere near the lead and has not been in any poll his polling is not that different to what IDS achieved
Would love to hear someone defending this, because right now it's the worst piece of domestic policy I've seen my party support in the last decade.
Shall we wait to see what is in the Bill, rather than discuss an Indy article about a Telegraph article about what might be in the Bill?
Often the way a bill gets written is that they float the most extreme ideas before it is published to see what they can get away with.
I will be utterly unsurprised if all that is in the bill. And how long before it starts getting abused? Didn't NSA workers call using their systems to check out future partners or ex's 'Loveint'?
It is being considered because the police asked for it.
And the job of politicians is to tell the police to go screw themselves.
Data like this is for genuine issues of national security, should be allowed access only under the strictest conditions, probably from a high court judge or the Home Secretary.
How much does an encrypted VPN service or an unregistered phone with a data plan cost anyway?
The problem us that using that criteria you would be hard pressed to find many papers to read at all. The Telegraph and Independent both seem to be adopting that tactic from their respective flanks as do the Guardian and Times to a lesser extent. Sensationalism tied to overt partisanship seems to be the basic modus operandi of all papers these days.
I would agree however that here are degrees and the Mail seems to have taken the technique to an extreme .
Agreed. It's odd that there doesn't seem to be a market for a scrupulously neutral paper at all - the Indie launched itself on that basis, but has ended up as a sort of pale version of the Guardian. The Times used to come close, but has drifted markedly to the right. The Guardian is my comfort zone but I'd really rather read an impartial paper.
And yet people seem to want non-partisan neutrality from the BBC, and complain bitterly when they don't think they're getting it.
It's interesting to note the contrast with the US, where the television news networks are highly partisan, yet the main daily newspapers are pretty much straight down the middle.
Could be good news for Labour ahead of 2020 if UKIP chuck buckets of smelly stuff over Labour at this by election. Bringing forward the demise of Cobyn would improve Labour's chances at 2020. The best thing Labour's shy/cowardly moderate MPs can do is stay away and pray.
I'm very pro Falklands, at the risk of starting a pointless debate - I watched a More4 docu about the sinking of the Tirpitz yesterday - losing c1000 lives.
AFAIC the Belgrano was the same type of enemy target.
Ukip to target Jeremy Corbyn's 'disdain for monarchy and military' in by-election battle Sources tell Telegraph that Mr Corbyn will be repeatedly characterised as unpatriotic in a bid to win over working class Labour supporters
His criticism of the Falklands War, links to Sinn Fein and controversial new advisers will all be brought up on the door step in what could prove a highly personalised campaign.
Not a fan of tub thumping "British is best" stuff, but I think appealing to Tories to vote UKIP in order to embarrass Labour is a wise move
I suspect it will be more based on his views on immigration will it not? Obviously they can't say that.
Surely the most toxic stuff is the IRA and Falklands stuff. I've met plenty of republicans out there, as well as people that aren't too pro-military, but almost everyone seems to be disgusted by the IRA and thinks Argentina's claim to the Falklands is nonsense.
The Tirpitz was a threat in a time of peril for the nation. That wasn't the case with the Belgrano. I would though entirely support the decision to sink her. War's are wars - this concept of the 'rules of war' is simply nonsense. No country fighting for its existence should think twice about these things. A country not fighting for its existence might care to do so, but I view it as a pretty pointless exercise.
All this stuff about not torturing prisoners and the like was promoted by those most likely to be actually taken prisoner.
When at war, do what will help you win. You can be judged afterwards if the world likes.
The Tories must be pleased with these polls which mean that Corbyn won't be deposed any time soon, in the same way that the polls from 2010-15 were putting Ed in the lead most of the time even though he was never going to win.
Except Corbyn is nowhere near the lead and has not been in any poll his polling is not that different to what IDS achieved
Interesting idea... I am already cringing at the prospect of people tweeting that they have bought something from the shop though!
"Homelessness campaigners today urged Londoners to throw rough sleepers “a lifeline” as they launch a pioneering shop to give people a “more human way” to help the homeless.
Billed as “the world’s first shop for the homeless”, Crack + Cider will open in Kingsland Road, Hackney, on Wednesday, giving shoppers the chance to buy essentials to be distributed to rough sleepers. A hat, socks and gloves set costs £7, a winter jacket is £25 and a “Warm and Dry Set” costs £60. "
The problem us that using that criteria you would be hard pressed to find many papers to read at all. The Telegraph and Independent both seem to be adopting that tactic from their respective flanks as do the Guardian and Times to a lesser extent. Sensationalism tied to overt partisanship seems to be the basic modus operandi of all papers these days.
I would agree however that here are degrees and the Mail seems to have taken the technique to an extreme .
Agreed. It's odd that there doesn't seem to be a market for a scrupulously neutral paper at all - the Indie launched itself on that basis, but has ended up as a sort of pale version of the Guardian. The Times used to come close, but has drifted markedly to the right. The Guardian is my comfort zone but I'd really rather read an impartial paper.
And yet people seem to want non-partisan neutrality from the BBC, and complain bitterly when they don't think they're getting it.
Being promised non-partisan neutrality from the BBC and instead being forced to pay for bias under threat of imprisonment is *not* the same as wanting non-partisan neutrality.
I don't care how bias they are. I just don't want to be forced to pay for it. If people want the BBC then let them choose to pay ... just as they do with the Guardian and Times as you list. There's definitely a market for lefty news tv coverage as the continued existence of lefty newspapers demonstrates. The BBC should embrace official editorial freedom!
And thanks for mentioning the Independent in the present tense - very helpul. I thought it had closed down years ago.
Interesting idea... I am already cringing at the prospect of people tweeting that they have bought something from the shop though!
"Homelessness campaigners today urged Londoners to throw rough sleepers “a lifeline” as they launch a pioneering shop to give people a “more human way” to help the homeless.
Billed as “the world’s first shop for the homeless”, Crack + Cider will open in Kingsland Road, Hackney, on Wednesday, giving shoppers the chance to buy essentials to be distributed to rough sleepers. A hat, socks and gloves set costs £7, a winter jacket is £25 and a “Warm and Dry Set” costs £60. "
The Tories must be pleased with these polls which mean that Corbyn won't be deposed any time soon, in the same way that the polls from 2010-15 were putting Ed in the lead most of the time even though he was never going to win.
Except Corbyn is nowhere near the lead and has not been in any poll his polling is not that different to what IDS achieved
But it brings hope that Corbyn will prevail....
Hope? Even on today's poll the Tories are up on their election result and Labour is polling worse than Kinnock did in 1992
Interesting idea... I am already cringing at the prospect of people tweeting that they have bought something from the shop though!
"Homelessness campaigners today urged Londoners to throw rough sleepers “a lifeline” as they launch a pioneering shop to give people a “more human way” to help the homeless.
Billed as “the world’s first shop for the homeless”, Crack + Cider will open in Kingsland Road, Hackney, on Wednesday, giving shoppers the chance to buy essentials to be distributed to rough sleepers. A hat, socks and gloves set costs £7, a winter jacket is £25 and a “Warm and Dry Set” costs £60. "
I'm very pro Falklands, at the risk of starting a pointless debate - I watched a More4 docu about the sinking of the Tirpitz yesterday - losing c1000 lives.
AFAIC the Belgrano was the same type of enemy target.
Ukip to target Jeremy Corbyn's 'disdain for monarchy and military' in by-election battle Sources tell Telegraph that Mr Corbyn will be repeatedly characterised as unpatriotic in a bid to win over working class Labour supporters
His criticism of the Falklands War, links to Sinn Fein and controversial new advisers will all be brought up on the door step in what could prove a highly personalised campaign.
Not a fan of tub thumping "British is best" stuff, but I think appealing to Tories to vote UKIP in order to embarrass Labour is a wise move
I suspect it will be more based on his views on immigration will it not? Obviously they can't say that.
Surely the most toxic stuff is the IRA and Falklands stuff. I've met plenty of republicans out there, as well as people that aren't too pro-military, but almost everyone seems to be disgusted by the IRA and thinks Argentina's claim to the Falklands is nonsense.
The Tirpitz was a threat in a time of peril for the nation. That wasn't the case with the Belgrano. I would though entirely support the decision to sink her. War's are wars - this concept of the 'rules of war' is simply nonsense. No country fighting for its existence should think twice about these things. A country not fighting for its existence might care to do so, but I view it as a pretty pointless exercise.
All this stuff about not torturing prisoners and the like was promoted by those most likely to be actually taken prisoner.
When at war, do what will help you win. You can be judged afterwards if the world likes.
The trick is to win because then you get to do the judging.
Interesting idea... I am already cringing at the prospect of people tweeting that they have bought something from the shop though!
"Homelessness campaigners today urged Londoners to throw rough sleepers “a lifeline” as they launch a pioneering shop to give people a “more human way” to help the homeless.
Billed as “the world’s first shop for the homeless”, Crack + Cider will open in Kingsland Road, Hackney, on Wednesday, giving shoppers the chance to buy essentials to be distributed to rough sleepers. A hat, socks and gloves set costs £7, a winter jacket is £25 and a “Warm and Dry Set” costs £60. "
Could be good news for Labour ahead of 2020 if UKIP chuck buckets of smelly stuff over Labour at this by election. Bringing forward the demise of Cobyn would improve Labour's chances at 2020. The best thing Labour's shy/cowardly moderate MPs can do is stay away and pray.
My instinct is to say there will be a strong anti UKIP vote from the left and what remains of the centre in Oldham. I do not see Conservatives giving any more of their vote to UKIP, and why would they want to pull any rug from under Corbyn in this seat which is something of a dump. The reasons why ukip might get a bigger vote has nothing to do with Corbyn not singing the national anthem. This election is not going to select a government so waving the flag is hardly going to resonate.
Isn't calling a charity shop for the homeless Crack + Cider quite offensive. Not entirely surprising when the liberal elite react like this when encountering the lower classes:
Would love to hear someone defending this, because right now it's the worst piece of domestic policy I've seen my party support in the last decade.
Shall we wait to see what is in the Bill, rather than discuss an Indy article about a Telegraph article about what might be in the Bill?
Often the way a bill gets written is that they float the most extreme ideas before it is published to see what they can get away with.
I will be utterly unsurprised if all that is in the bill. And how long before it starts getting abused? Didn't NSA workers call using their systems to check out future partners or ex's 'Loveint'?
It is being considered because the police asked for it.
And the job of politicians is to tell the police to go screw themselves.
Data like this is for genuine issues of national security, should be allowed access only under the strictest conditions, probably from a high court judge or the Home Secretary.
How much does an encrypted VPN service or an unregistered phone with a data plan cost anyway?
The issue as I read it is that the data should be held for 12 months and then as you suggest a warrant is applied for to look at it, like telephone tapping. If the data is deleted by the service provider then it cannot be accessed.
You're quite right - it's one song and a good one useful for many TV moments which is where I came across it.
I tried others and dirge springs to mind. I really don't get them at all. I trip across allsorts of artists from their use on TV shows and became a fan of Snow Patrol as a result.
OT I've never understood Coldplay being so popular - I like two tracks Ruled the World and Viva la Vida.
What's their appeal? They've given millions to Kids Company too.
Isn't that just one track?
Their appeal (to me; I go through phases with them) is that the music offers thoughtful lyrics and very strong melodies. I don't admire them on a 'Chris Martin on a plane with Bono to help some Africans' level. I always think empty-headed celebrity activism can often do more harm than good - like when Live Aid money was used to ethnically cleanse parts of Ethiopia.
Love the bizarre video for The Hardest Part: ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAGbq3A9HfA
They are quite dirgey, but sometimes one is in a dirgey mood!
I'm very pro Falklands, at the risk of starting a pointless debate - I watched a More4 docu about the sinking of the Tirpitz yesterday - losing c1000 lives.
AFAIC the Belgrano was the same type of enemy target.
Ukip to target Jeremy Corbyn's 'disdain for monarchy and military' in by-election battle Sources tell Telegraph that Mr Corbyn will be repeatedly characterised as unpatriotic in a bid to win over working class Labour supporters
His criticism of the Falklands War, links to Sinn Fein and controversial new advisers will all be brought up on the door step in what could prove a highly personalised campaign.
Not a fan of tub thumping "British is best" stuff, but I think appealing to Tories to vote UKIP in order to embarrass Labour is a wise move
I suspect it will be more based on his views on immigration will it not? Obviously they can't say that.
Surely the most toxic stuff is the IRA and Falklands stuff. I've met plenty of republicans out there, as well as people that aren't too pro-military, but almost everyone seems to be disgusted by the IRA and thinks Argentina's claim to the Falklands is nonsense.
The Tirpitz was a threat in a time of peril for the nation. That wasn't the case with the Belgrano. I would though entirely support the decision to sink her. War's are wars - this concept of the 'rules of war' is simply nonsense. No country fighting for its existence should think twice about these things. A country not fighting for its existence might care to do so, but I view it as a pretty pointless exercise. All this stuff about not torturing prisoners and the like was promoted by those most likely to be actually taken prisoner. When at war, do what will help you win. You can be judged afterwards if the world likes.
The Tirpitz was a threat to Arctic convoys to Russia. A basic threat to allied seamen. True it was at a time of total war. Likewise the Belgrano was a threat to British seamen.
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I returned as he was doing it. Shed was plastic and the door could be forced with minimal effort.
According to Guido, Isabel Oakeshott might become the Daily Mail's political editor "at large"
Evening all.
Madness. But if so, I shall enjoy the comments – writing them that is….
She also (separately) drank up dregs at a barbecue when everyone put their drinks down, and had a hangover the following day
Oldham is a place where Nick Griffin got over 6000 votes. There was a reason for that. I do not see the balance of rational voters ushering in UKIP.
What's their appeal? They've given millions to Kids Company too.
Surely the most toxic stuff is the IRA and Falklands stuff. I've met plenty of republicans out there, as well as people that aren't too pro-military, but almost everyone seems to be disgusted by the IRA and thinks Argentina's claim to the Falklands is nonsense.
AFAIC the Belgrano was the same type of enemy target. Surely the most toxic stuff is the IRA and Falklands stuff. I've met plenty of republicans out there, as well as people that aren't too pro-military, but almost everyone seems to be disgusted by the IRA and thinks Argentina's claim to the Falklands is nonsense.
It was great to see you and so many others last night!
And how long before it starts getting abused?
Didn't NSA workers call using their systems to check out future partners or ex's 'Loveint'?
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13927330.Labour_scraps_contest_to_find_Holyrood_2016_Sturgeon_challenger_amid_concerns_over_candidate_shortlist/
I think they'd be best to close their conference and social media sites today - sadly their support levels would probably rise - they really are that bad !!
Their appeal (to me; I go through phases with them) is that the music offers thoughtful lyrics and very strong melodies. I don't admire them on a 'Chris Martin on a plane with Bono to help some Africans' level. I always think empty-headed celebrity activism can often do more harm than good - like when Live Aid money was used to ethnically cleanse parts of Ethiopia.
Love the bizarre video for The Hardest Part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAGbq3A9HfA
And yet people seem to want non-partisan neutrality from the BBC, and complain bitterly when they don't think they're getting it.
twitter.com/standardnews/status/660144388362768384
I tried others and dirge springs to mind. I really don't get them at all. I trip across allsorts of artists from their use on TV shows and became a fan of Snow Patrol as a result.
The Tirpitz was a threat in a time of peril for the nation. That wasn't the case with the Belgrano. I would though entirely support the decision to sink her. War's are wars - this concept of the 'rules of war' is simply nonsense. No country fighting for its existence should think twice about these things. A country not fighting for its existence might care to do so, but I view it as a pretty pointless exercise.
All this stuff about not torturing prisoners and the like was promoted by those most likely to be actually taken prisoner.
When at war, do what will help you win. You can be judged afterwards if the world likes.
Giving more power like this to plod is like giving vodka and car keys to teenage boys.
Data like this is for genuine issues of national security, should be allowed access only under the strictest conditions, probably from a high court judge or the Home Secretary.
How much does an encrypted VPN service or an unregistered phone with a data plan cost anyway?
Linky to docu for anyone interested. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-dambusters-great-escape-secret-history/on-demand
It's a cracking docu full of WTF and friendly Nazi help The Tirpitz was a threat in a time of peril for the nation. That wasn't the case with the Belgrano. I would though entirely support the decision to sink her. War's are wars - this concept of the 'rules of war' is simply nonsense. No country fighting for its existence should think twice about these things. A country not fighting for its existence might care to do so, but I view it as a pretty pointless exercise.
All this stuff about not torturing prisoners and the like was promoted by those most likely to be actually taken prisoner.
When at war, do what will help you win. You can be judged afterwards if the world likes.
"Homelessness campaigners today urged Londoners to throw rough sleepers “a lifeline” as they launch a pioneering shop to give people a “more human way” to help the homeless.
Billed as “the world’s first shop for the homeless”, Crack + Cider will open in Kingsland Road, Hackney, on Wednesday, giving shoppers the chance to buy essentials to be distributed to rough sleepers. A hat, socks and gloves set costs £7, a winter jacket is £25 and a “Warm and Dry Set” costs £60. "
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/crack-cider-londons-first-shop-for-the-homeless-is-set-to-open-in-dalston-a3103091.html
I don't care how bias they are. I just don't want to be forced to pay for it. If people want the BBC then let them choose to pay ... just as they do with the Guardian and Times as you list. There's definitely a market for lefty news tv coverage as the continued existence of lefty newspapers demonstrates. The BBC should embrace official editorial freedom!
And thanks for mentioning the Independent in the present tense - very helpul. I thought it had closed down years ago.
Edit: me being too cynical again. Thought they used proceeds of sales to buy essentials for the homeless. That'll teach me....
All this stuff about not torturing prisoners and the like was promoted by those most likely to be actually taken prisoner.
When at war, do what will help you win. You can be judged afterwards if the world likes.
The trick is to win because then you get to do the judging.
I can't get my head around this credulity.
https://mobile.twitter.com/huffpostukpics/status/528294110612819972
All this stuff about not torturing prisoners and the like was promoted by those most likely to be actually taken prisoner.
When at war, do what will help you win. You can be judged afterwards if the world likes.
The Tirpitz was a threat to Arctic convoys to Russia. A basic threat to allied seamen. True it was at a time of total war.
Likewise the Belgrano was a threat to British seamen.