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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    The best slogans for leave should be either

    1) Better out than in

    Or

    2) I'm a beLeaver.

    You are Sunil and I claim my £5
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    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    I see Nicky Morgan doesn't rate a mention in this poll. I think she's suffering from delusions of adequacy.

    Female Tory education secretary has her leadership ambitions and chances dismissed just like that.

    Sounds familiar. Nicky Morgan is the new Margaret Thatcher.

    I can do a Sunday thread on that.
    "I knew Margaret Thatcher. Margaret Thatcher was my friend. Nicky Morgan, you're no Margaret Thatcher."
    Harsh. Very harsh to compare any one to Dan Quayle.
    Seems very apt. She is similar to Maria Miller.
    Don't diss Maria Miller. She was a bloody great winner for me.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    I see Nicky Morgan doesn't rate a mention in this poll. I think she's suffering from delusions of adequacy.

    Female Tory education secretary has her leadership ambitions and chances dismissed just like that.

    Sounds familiar. Nicky Morgan is the new Margaret Thatcher.

    I can do a Sunday thread on that.
    "I knew Margaret Thatcher. Margaret Thatcher was my friend. Nicky Morgan, you're no Margaret Thatcher."
    Harsh. Very harsh to compare any one to Dan Quayle.
    A former girlfriend was the CNN journalist who pounced on Quayle's mispelling of potato which ultimately made his candidacy a laughing stock:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI
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    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I remain unconvinced. It's down to the PCP as to who reaches the final two, and I don't think Boris' stock has high value with them. Conservatives MPs will be even more acutely aware of their responsibility than usual, having witnessed the collective idiocy of the PLP recently.

    The Tory party put IDS on the final ballot.

    We're just as stupid as Labour when we want too.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    I see Nicky Morgan doesn't rate a mention in this poll. I think she's suffering from delusions of adequacy.

    Female Tory education secretary has her leadership ambitions and chances dismissed just like that.

    Sounds familiar. Nicky Morgan is the new Margaret Thatcher.

    I can do a Sunday thread on that.
    "I knew Margaret Thatcher. Margaret Thatcher was my friend. Nicky Morgan, you're no Margaret Thatcher."
    No, she's a shorter price:
    https://twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/634058977609953280
    Wow, looking at that board, I don't even remember Walker or Carr.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    FPT

    I'm intrigued by the choice of Lawson's campaign group name as "Conservatives for Britain".

    I'm tangentially involved in "Business for Britain" which is studiously cross party.

    But it's an interesting chance which doesn't strike me as a concidence. Could you see other groups with a similar name speaking to specific interest areas (perhaps even "Kippers for Britain") coming together under a "For Britain" banner group?

    ("Leave, for Britain's sake" doesn't quite work as a slogan for me, but it feels like there is something you could do with the concept)

    Good thinking
    "For Britain" as a slogan also completely reverses the perceived negatively of a no/leave campaign by positioning it as being in favour of "a good thing" (Britain).

    And it's pretty difficult to argue why you don't support "For Britain"...
    Yes I like it

    My idea was 'just say no' linking to the grange hill anti drug song as a way of making 'no' a positive... But as it's now 'leave' that's redundant

    So...

    http://youtu.be/WbrSLLv0AlA

    In honesty, establishment ideas that speak to the masses are probably better than anything too gimmicky that may seem jokey

    "Establishment ideas that speak to the masses"

    From you, I'll take that as a compliment!
    It was!
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    O/T
    From this week's Popbitch email.
    (Apols if already posted)

    >> Piping up <<
    For whom the Campbell tolls

    Labour must really be serious
    about taking back Scotland
    from the SNP.

    How do we know? Alistair
    Campbell is doubling down
    on his bagpipe practice.

    You can find him at 9:30,
    pretty much every morning,
    practising in the bandstand
    at Parliament Hill.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited October 2015
    Pong said:

    My wildcard minister still doesn't seem to be on the radar of any bookie. I don't want to reveal the name 'cos I'm hoping to be able to slip in on good odds, but as a general observation I'd say that the market overall is too short on some of the less obvious contenders, and too long on others.

    I think the biggest error in the market is Osborne. He should be odds-on, even allowing for all the folk wisdom. Maybe somewhere in the 8/11 - 5/6 range.
    Does he actually want the gig though?
    If we could be definite about that he'd be 4/9.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited October 2015

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. Eagles, aye, but that was in opposition with little hope of a swift return. Now the party's in power, and might stay there next time.
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    As the next Labour Leader is likely to be John McDonnell, the choice of Tory Leader may be irrelevant.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    antifrank said:

    Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.

    He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
    Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).

    It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.

    I see they still fly Harriers as well.

    They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikrant_(R11)
    So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.

    Or two :disappointed:

    It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.

    HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
    HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
    Ocean is a classed as an Amphibious Assault Ship but its primary function (and its design history) is as a Helicopter Carrier.

    But never mind, if you don't like it, I'm sure Marine Scotland will happily add it to our fleet then we can devolve naval services and stop Scotland having to pay for a Royal Navy that can't serve the needs of Scotland.
    Who said I did not like it. The purpose of its helicopters is to transport marines.
    Trident and any replacement has not nor will not disrupt our defence stance. Labour's procurement of 2 giant aircraft carriers without catapults has managed that.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    edited October 2015

    Mr. Eagles, aye, but that was in opposition with little hope of a swift return. Now the party's in power, and might stay there next time.

    True.

    Ps - If you don't understand the Octavian nor the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest analogies down thread I'm happy to educate you on the matter. :lol:
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    To follow labour, surely bill cash is nailed on for the gig...
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    The best slogans for leave should be either

    1) Better out than in

    Or

    2) I'm a beLeaver.

    Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkal?

    Or is that too close to Godwin's law?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.

    He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
    Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
    Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.

    I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
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    The best slogans for leave should be either

    1) Better out than in

    Or

    2) I'm a beLeaver.

    Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkal?

    Or is that too close to Godwin's law?
    Nah. Godwin's law was tested to destruction earlier on this week when a Corbynite wanted to gas Farage and the Kippers because they are Nazis.
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    antifrank said:

    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.

    He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
    Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
    Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.

    I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
    Mind bleach please.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    Looking ahead to another Mayoral Election in Bristol, one hopes that Shadders hasn't lost the plot. But for those of you who want to bet on this one read on.

    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/George-Ferguson-pole-position-Bristol-Mayor/story-27904025-detail/story.html
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    antifrank said:

    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.

    He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
    Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
    Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.

    I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
    Boris is a jerk, a buffoon, an unfaithful, arrogant, wanker.

    Hailsham was decent and thoughtful, if overly abrasive and intolerant of people he thought were to slow to keep up with his thinking. He didn't get the PM slot because MacMillan stitched him up - but equally, I don't think he would have been very good at the job to be quite honest.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    edited October 2015
    I read an article a while back that said viagra has destroyed the employment for fluffers.

    Just thought I'd share that.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    The best slogans for leave should be either

    1) Better out than in

    Or

    2) I'm a beLeaver.

    Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkal?

    Or is that too close to Godwin's law?
    How many in the electorate would get the Dad's Army reference?
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    antifrank said:

    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.

    He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
    Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
    Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.

    I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
    Every political party needs someone to ring the bell. Unfortunately for labour that job at the moment rests with McDonnell and Watson.
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    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.

    He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
    Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
    Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.

    I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
    Boris is a jerk, a buffoon, an unfaithful, arrogant, wanker.

    Hailsham was decent and thoughtful, if overly abrasive and intolerant of people he thought were to slow to keep up with his thinking. He didn't get the PM slot because MacMillan stitched him up - but equally, I don't think he would have been very good at the job to be quite honest.
    I've been re-reading Lord Hailsham's views on Homosexuality, Decent isn't the adjective I'd use. Though I acknowledge he was a man of his era.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    edited October 2015
    MTimT said:

    The best slogans for leave should be either

    1) Better out than in

    Or

    2) I'm a beLeaver.

    Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkal?

    Or is that too close to Godwin's law?
    How many in the electorate would get the Dad's Army reference?
    A lot. The new Dad's Army movie is out next year.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. T, it's still repeated now, and worth noting the older someone is, the likelier they are to vote.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).

    It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.

    I see they still fly Harriers as well.

    They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikrant_(R11)
    So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.

    Or two :disappointed:

    It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.

    HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
    HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
    Dair doesn't approve of any military equipment which isn't fitted with a referendum trigger.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    FPT

    I'm intrigued by the choice of Lawson's campaign group name as "Conservatives for Britain".

    I'm tangentially involved in "Business for Britain" which is studiously cross party.

    But it's an interesting chance which doesn't strike me as a concidence. Could you see other groups with a similar name speaking to specific interest areas (perhaps even "Kippers for Britain") coming together under a "For Britain" banner group?

    ("Leave, for Britain's sake" doesn't quite work as a slogan for me, but it feels like there is something you could do with the concept)

    Good thinking
    Lawson on the wrong side again.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    .

    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
    I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Wales Vs Fiji are 4.45pm. Wales should win handily. If they do, that makes England's game against Australia even more important.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    antifrank said:

    I reckon Osborne will be the Octavian to Dave's Caesar.

    Edit. Sajid works better as Octavian with Ozzy as Mark Antony

    I don't think either George Osborne or Sajid Javid would relish the idea of going down to a crushing defeat at the hands of the Germans.
    Although Germany wouldn't be Germany; it'd be something like Scotland (though of course Augustus was campaigning in Germany to extend the empire, not to retain an existing province, so even there the analogy is only partial).
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900
    edited October 2015
    AF

    "If I were drafting a slogan for Leave I think I would be drawn towards:

    Let's Just Be Friends"

    Quite good. It has something of the multi faceted but gentle Guardian's 'Points of View' which was voted best ad of the 80's. Considering the potential overtones of English nationalism on the leave side a gentle slogan would definitely help

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3h-T3KQNxU
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    Wales Vs Fiji are 4.45pm. Wales should win handily. If they do, that makes England's game against Australia even more important.

    Please be like Wales vs Western Samoa in 1991
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. Eagles, don't get your hopes up. Rugby World Cups never see shock results.

    .....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422

    Wales Vs Fiji are 4.45pm. Wales should win handily. If they do, that makes England's game against Australia even more important.

    Please be like Wales vs Western Samoa in 1991
    Or this one:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/7017637.stm
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    edited October 2015

    Mr. Eagles, don't get your hopes up. Rugby World Cups never see shock results.

    .....

    Getting knocked out of the group stage at home by both Wales and Australia would be the greatest national humiliation this country has faced since the fall of Singapore.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. Eagles, it would not be good. But England deserved to lose to Wales.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    The best slogans for leave should be either

    1) Better out than in

    Or

    2) I'm a beLeaver.

    Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkal?

    Or is that too close to Godwin's law?
    (underneath a couple of the green spheroids): I've never liked Brussels....
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    Mr. Eagles, it would not be good. But England deserved to lose to Wales.

    I hate Wales. Well their rugby fans. Years of the sheep shaggers telling me where I can stick the sweet chariot really has pissed me off.

    If Wales played France in the World Cup final I'd be cheering for France.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,916
    For @TheScreamingEagles et al re creationism - I know it is FPT but I came across this when looking for something completely different elsewhere: a creationist museum in the UK. No idea if it is related to Hancockian politics, mind, or if it is in receipt of public funding.

    https://jacksadventuresinmuseumland.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/on-the-origins-of-species/
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    isam said:

    .

    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
    I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
    It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
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    Wales Vs Fiji are 4.45pm. Wales should win handily. If they do, that makes England's game against Australia even more important.

    Please be like Wales vs Western Samoa in 1991
    Or this one:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/7017637.stm
    I was thinking of the 2007 World Cup last night. The England v Aus QF was the afternoon Brown decided to call off the election that never was.

    Bloody stressful day for an England rugby fan who bets on politics to be in Marseille.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,974
    A very wealthy man criticises people who want to own their own home:-

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/30/housing-crisis-policy-myth-realities
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Please be like Wales vs Western Samoa in 1991.''

    My work colleague has a fiver on Fiji at 6-1.

    Even if Wales beat Fiji, England should still go through if they beat Aus, because Wales won;t beat Aus.

    I reckon to qualify Wales will have to bonus point Fiji and get a losing point from Aus....a tall order.

    With all the injuries England was our final, I reckon. A glorious exit awaits
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    isam said:

    .

    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
    I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
    It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
    I wonder what the price of any of the. Winners of leadership elections three years before were? Miliband, Corbyn and Cameron all very big... Clegg and Farron maybe not so

    Farage was 4-6 in May! But people were still shocked
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,916

    Dair said:

    Dair Why is a very important and successful part of the nations defense force seen to be a waste of time..like insurance .. you don't need it until you need it..do try and grow up..

    The UK has been without an Aircraft Carrier (an actual AC not a LCV) since 1979 (arguably since the mid-60s as the Audacious class was obsolete after the first Super Carriers deployed). The UK successfully deployed to the Falklands despite having no AC and have carried out all military deployments since then with no AC.

    QE and PC are complete wastes of money, pork barrel politics of the worst kind at the behest of the former member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.

    Edit - I see in the previous thread Sunil points out that the convoy had one obsolete AC in it HMS Hermes. At 23,000 tons Hermes was an LCV by 1983 and no longer could be considered an AC. Actually Wiki defines the Centaur class as always being LCVs.
    Hermes later transferred to India in 1986 (INS Viraat). Still in service with the Indians.
    Only just: IIRC they're discussing whether to make her a museum (I do hope so as the UK never bothered to preserve an aircraft carrier or post-Dreadnought battleship/battlecruiser).

    http://shipsmonthly.com/2015/03/31/carrier-to-be-retired/
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Mr. Eagles, don't get your hopes up. Rugby World Cups never see shock results.

    .....

    Getting knocked out of the group stage at home by both Wales and Australia would be the greatest national humiliation this country has faced since the fall of Singapore.
    No one is interested in rugby union because no one understands it.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @HTScotPol: Crown Office warned on eve of election about Hales / @MichelleThomson case but failed to act, it emerges from @Lawscot press conf
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    dr_spyn said:

    Looking ahead to another Mayoral Election in Bristol, one hopes that Shadders hasn't lost the plot. But for those of you who want to bet on this one read on.

    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/George-Ferguson-pole-position-Bristol-Mayor/story-27904025-detail/story.html

    I think it will be an interesting contest. Ferguson has not made himself popular in many quarters e.g. with his RPZ in Clifton but Lab's candidate Rees is poor and lost last time around.

    It will be interesting to see if turnout increases second time around. Last time it was a derisory 28% but this time they have scrapped election by thirds and will elect the whole council so that might help.
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    MTimT said:

    The best slogans for leave should be either

    1) Better out than in

    Or

    2) I'm a beLeaver.

    Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkal?

    Or is that too close to Godwin's law?
    How many in the electorate would get the Dad's Army reference?
    A surprising amount I would guess.
    It's got one of the most famous theme tunes and has been repeated many times over the years.


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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Dair Why is a very important and successful part of the nations defense force seen to be a waste of time..like insurance .. you don't need it until you need it..do try and grow up..

    The UK has been without an Aircraft Carrier (an actual AC not a LCV) since 1979 (arguably since the mid-60s as the Audacious class was obsolete after the first Super Carriers deployed). The UK successfully deployed to the Falklands despite having no AC and have carried out all military deployments since then with no AC.

    QE and PC are complete wastes of money, pork barrel politics of the worst kind at the behest of the former member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.

    Edit - I see in the previous thread Sunil points out that the convoy had one obsolete AC in it HMS Hermes. At 23,000 tons Hermes was an LCV by 1983 and no longer could be considered an AC. Actually Wiki defines the Centaur class as always being LCVs.
    Hermes later transferred to India in 1986 (INS Viraat). Still in service with the Indians.
    Only just: IIRC they're discussing whether to make her a museum (I do hope so as the UK never bothered to preserve an aircraft carrier or post-Dreadnought battleship/battlecruiser).

    http://shipsmonthly.com/2015/03/31/carrier-to-be-retired/
    Or even a pre-dreadnought. The only capital ship we still have is HMS Victory.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    As if we haven't enough to worry about:
    City A.M. ‏@CityAM 22s22 seconds ago
    Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Oh dear me.
    Scott_P said:

    @HTScotPol: Crown Office warned on eve of election about Hales / @MichelleThomson case but failed to act, it emerges from @Lawscot press conf

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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    MikeK said:

    As if we haven't enough to worry about:
    City A.M. ‏@CityAM 22s22 seconds ago
    Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6

    'It did not enter the human food chain, and authorities said there was no risk to human health.'

    Oh.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34413649
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    watford30 said:

    MikeK said:

    As if we haven't enough to worry about:
    City A.M. ‏@CityAM 22s22 seconds ago
    Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6

    'It did not enter the human food chain, and authorities said there was no risk to human health.'

    Oh.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34413649
    Er... normally the problem is that it could have spread to other cows.

    The risk is very rarely cow #1 in particular.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Greetings from Majorca. Has Corbyn said anything that is bonkers today?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Greetings from Majorca. Has Corbyn said anything that is bonkers today?

    @AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,916

    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Dair Why is a very important and successful part of the nations defense force seen to be a waste of time..like insurance .. you don't need it until you need it..do try and grow up..

    The UK has been without an Aircraft Carrier (an actual AC not a LCV) since 1979 (arguably since the mid-60s as the Audacious class was obsolete after the first Super Carriers deployed). The UK successfully deployed to the Falklands despite having no AC and have carried out all military deployments since then with no AC.

    QE and PC are complete wastes of money, pork barrel politics of the worst kind at the behest of the former member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.

    Edit - I see in the previous thread Sunil points out that the convoy had one obsolete AC in it HMS Hermes. At 23,000 tons Hermes was an LCV by 1983 and no longer could be considered an AC. Actually Wiki defines the Centaur class as always being LCVs.
    Hermes later transferred to India in 1986 (INS Viraat). Still in service with the Indians.
    Only just: IIRC they're discussing whether to make her a museum (I do hope so as the UK never bothered to preserve an aircraft carrier or post-Dreadnought battleship/battlecruiser).

    http://shipsmonthly.com/2015/03/31/carrier-to-be-retired/
    Or even a pre-dreadnought. The only capital ship we still have is HMS Victory.
    Indeed, though the RN do define the Trident boomers as capital ships - rather oddly as they are of little relevance to traditional naval missions. And perhaps I should have added the qualifier 'afloat', given that the Royal Oak is very much preserved, albeit as a war grave, in Scapa Flow.


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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,916
    Scott_P said:

    Greetings from Majorca. Has Corbyn said anything that is bonkers today?

    @AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
    Is it so bonkers? There seem to be clear advantages in such a fudge given that, last time there was a vote on Trident in the Scottish Parliament, SLAB voted very much against it, if memory serves.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Roger said:

    AF

    "If I were drafting a slogan for Leave I think I would be drawn towards:

    Let's Just Be Friends"

    Quite good. It has something of the multi faceted but gentle Guardian's 'Points of View' which was voted best ad of the 80's. Considering the potential overtones of English nationalism on the leave side a gentle slogan would definitely help

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3h-T3KQNxU

    "Let's just be friends" would be a disaster. Smacks of laughable naiveté a la Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0

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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited October 2015

    isam said:

    .

    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
    I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
    It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
    Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).

    And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.

    It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).

    It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.

    I see they still fly Harriers as well.

    They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikrant_(R11)
    So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.

    Or two :disappointed:

    It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.

    HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
    HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
    Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Carnyx said:

    Is it so bonkers?

    Vote for Me!

    What's your policy?

    Guess...
    Ok, you're right. No problems going into an election like that.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Hmm

    The Gov't could save itself cash (Now Royal Mail is privatised especially) by not automailing EC Sales/VAT returns given 90% of businesses must do it online now anyway.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Quite. Dan nails it
    But unity behind what? How are they supposed to demonstrate unity when their own party leader is not prepared to stand by his own party’s own policies? How are they supposed to demonstrate unity when their own party leader is not prepared stand by the resolutions passed by his own party conference? And how are they supposed to demonstrate unity when their own leader adopts stances that make any debate about an issue as fundamental as Britain’s nuclear defence utterly redundant?
    Scott_P said:

    Carnyx said:

    Is it so bonkers?

    Vote for Me!

    What's your policy?

    Guess...
    Ok, you're right. No problems going into an election like that.

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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    watford30 said:

    MikeK said:

    As if we haven't enough to worry about:
    City A.M. ‏@CityAM 22s22 seconds ago
    Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6

    'It did not enter the human food chain, and authorities said there was no risk to human health.'

    Oh.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34413649
    Er... normally the problem is that it could have spread to other cows.

    The risk is very rarely cow #1 in particular.
    There is rarely a cow #1 in the normal epidemiological sense in that BSE is not contagious or infectious, rather it is spread in the cow population through contaminated feed. So my guess is that the field epidemiologists are diligently and rapidly tracking back the feed sources for this cow to see if this case is from a contaminated feed batch (in which case they will ascertain how big the batch was, how it got contaminated, what else (including processing equipment) might have been contaminated, and where else that batch of feed has gone) in order to take action accordingly.

    Prions are very interesting. Apparently, we still don't know how they cross the brain blood barrier.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    isam said:

    .

    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
    I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
    It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
    Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).

    And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.

    It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
    The next Labour leader markets look as though they have horrific mispricings all over the place to me. They're priced as though the last five months haven't happened. Though I accept that the bookies are pricing on the basis of the public's outdated views.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    antifrank said:

    isam said:

    .

    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
    I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
    It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
    Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).

    And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.

    It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
    The next Labour leader markets look as though they have horrific mispricings all over the place to me. They're priced as though the last five months haven't happened. Though I accept that the bookies are pricing on the basis of the public's outdated views.
    There is a thread coming up on that.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    isam said:

    .

    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
    I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
    It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
    Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).

    And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.

    It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
    3/1 on Chuka "Labour members are spoilt children" Umunna is not much better.
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    Come on Fiji!
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Scott_P said:

    @AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident

    Their position is quite clear. They will be against it in Scotland and for it in England.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    taffys said:
    And Corbyn choosing to speak at a rally in Manchester during the Tory conference won't go down well with the small subset of the GBP that notice. (It will of course go down fabulously with the Corbynites).
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    antifrank said:

    isam said:

    .

    isam said:

    Stan James seem to have put the work experience guy on to Next Labour Leader.

    Chuka Umunna 3/1
    Ed Balls 9/2
    Andy Burnham 6/1
    Yvette Cooper 7/1
    Dan Jarvis 8/1
    Tom Watson 10/1
    Tristram Hunt 10/1
    Liz Kendall 12/1


    http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list

    A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
    Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
    I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
    It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
    Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).

    And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.

    It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
    The next Labour leader markets look as though they have horrific mispricings all over the place to me. They're priced as though the last five months haven't happened. Though I accept that the bookies are pricing on the basis of the public's outdated views.
    There is a thread coming up on that.
    The disparity between the Balls and Miliband prices is hard to justify, but let's be fair, this is a long term novelty market - firms are banging any old short price up so they appear on oddschecker and if they can avoid taking a bet, all the better.

    What you are really commenting on, Watson aside, is the huge over round... Which is kind of understandable for them to do...I can't see why they bother doing prices at this stage really

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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:

    @DavidL ...Boris' popularity amongst the population at large is irrelevant since the population at large does not get a vote.

    Only irrelevant if you think the selectorate doesn't take into account wider popularity.

    Is Boris really that popular outside London? I'm not at all sure that he is.

    Yes, I think he is. Being popular, however, does not make you a good leader on its own.
    Are you sure?

    I vaguely remember a thread from last year where polling showed that he didn't add much to the Tories outside of their core Home Counties and was negative in the critical Northern/Midland marginals.

    Boris = Corbyn
    I just cannot imagine Boris Johnson as Prime Minister (even less so than Corbyn). Yes he's clever and likeable, but that is not the only qualities you look for in a Prime Minister.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    Scott_P said:

    Greetings from Majorca. Has Corbyn said anything that is bonkers today?

    @AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
    He might have to go into the General Election without a clear position on Trident too. I don't see how he squares this circle...
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Great article on Ted Cruz by McCain's former chief of staff. Great, that is, save for the last two words. To harbour even a scintilla of doubt over the voters' abilities in this regard is an insult.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/10/01/what_ted_cruz_really_stands_for_128264.html
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Tom Watson at 10-1 looks great value.

    Though if you are a valued Stan James customer, then you may have to look down the back of the sofa to find spare cash to put on him.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Channeling HYUFD. All current data on Wales Fiji match is 0-0. Clearly, this match will result in a draw.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I don't see how he squares this circle...

    Resign
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900
    edited October 2015
    Taffy

    "http://order-order.com/2015/10/01/feldman-warns-tories-to-hide-passes-in-manchester/#:cPPe1B0uPjtVAQ

    I wonder if this will be a big story next week."

    LOL!! As if Mancunians need to look at passes to spot a Tory!
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).

    It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.

    I see they still fly Harriers as well.

    They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikrant_(R11)
    So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.

    Or two :disappointed:

    It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.

    HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
    HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
    Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe

    Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    There are more Tories in Manchester than you think..anyone causing bother next week will be imported..and they would be making a serious mistake if they think all Tories are softies..
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Roger said:

    LOL!! As if Mancunians need to look at passes to spot a Tory!

    They look like this, right?

    https://twitter.com/bbcleicester/status/648877175911895040
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Current data on Wales Fiji, 7-0. Prediction, Wales by a landslide.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).

    It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.

    I see they still fly Harriers as well.

    They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikrant_(R11)
    So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.

    Or two :disappointed:

    It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.

    HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
    HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
    Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe

    Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
    Thought so, surely can't be an amphibious landing craft at that size?

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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,916
    Scott_P said:

    Carnyx said:

    Is it so bonkers?

    Vote for Me!

    What's your policy?

    Guess...
    Ok, you're right. No problems going into an election like that.

    Oh, quite. But, if one ignores for the moment issues such as radiochemical safety and planning which are devolved, Trident is a reserved matter as far as Scottish Parliament and Government powers are concerned. This allows, for instance, Ms Dugdale to refuse to answer a question like that on the additional fudge that it is not within the scope of the Scottish elections. Mind you, it is rather a technicality and may not go down well ...
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Roger said:

    Taffy

    "http://order-order.com/2015/10/01/feldman-warns-tories-to-hide-passes-in-manchester/#:cPPe1B0uPjtVAQ

    I wonder if this will be a big story next week."

    LOL!! As if Mancunians need to look at passes to spot a Tory!

    "He's got his own teeth! Get the Tory Bastard."
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).

    It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.

    I see they still fly Harriers as well.

    They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikrant_(R11)
    So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.

    Or two :disappointed:

    It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.

    HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
    HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
    Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe

    Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
    Thought so, surely can't be an amphibious landing craft at that size?

    It carries some amphibious landing craft, and helicopters.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).

    It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.

    I see they still fly Harriers as well.

    They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikrant_(R11)
    So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.

    Or two :disappointed:

    It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.

    HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
    HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
    Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe

    Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
    Thought so, surely can't be an amphibious landing craft at that size?

    It's not. It's an amphibious assault ship, that carries landing craft.


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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).

    It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.

    I see they still fly Harriers as well.

    They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikrant_(R11)
    So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.

    Or two :disappointed:

    It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.

    HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
    HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
    Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe

    Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
    Thought so, surely can't be an amphibious landing craft at that size?

    It is a ship that carries helicopters landing craft and up to 800 troops. ie for amphibious assault. It is like the previous HMS Fearless Class. It has a stern ramp but probably not I think a floating dock
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900
    Doddy

    Manchester is a very cool city particularly the centre. I don't imagine for a moment there will be any aggression. I was thinking of the costumes the Tory delegates might be wearing
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Roger said:

    I was thinking of the costumes the Tory delegates might be wearing

    Suits.

    Yup, they will stand out a mile...
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