I remain unconvinced. It's down to the PCP as to who reaches the final two, and I don't think Boris' stock has high value with them. Conservatives MPs will be even more acutely aware of their responsibility than usual, having witnessed the collective idiocy of the PLP recently.
I'm intrigued by the choice of Lawson's campaign group name as "Conservatives for Britain".
I'm tangentially involved in "Business for Britain" which is studiously cross party.
But it's an interesting chance which doesn't strike me as a concidence. Could you see other groups with a similar name speaking to specific interest areas (perhaps even "Kippers for Britain") coming together under a "For Britain" banner group?
("Leave, for Britain's sake" doesn't quite work as a slogan for me, but it feels like there is something you could do with the concept)
Good thinking
"For Britain" as a slogan also completely reverses the perceived negatively of a no/leave campaign by positioning it as being in favour of "a good thing" (Britain).
And it's pretty difficult to argue why you don't support "For Britain"...
Yes I like it
My idea was 'just say no' linking to the grange hill anti drug song as a way of making 'no' a positive... But as it's now 'leave' that's redundant
My wildcard minister still doesn't seem to be on the radar of any bookie. I don't want to reveal the name 'cos I'm hoping to be able to slip in on good odds, but as a general observation I'd say that the market overall is too short on some of the less obvious contenders, and too long on others.
I think the biggest error in the market is Osborne. He should be odds-on, even allowing for all the folk wisdom. Maybe somewhere in the 8/11 - 5/6 range.
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.
He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).
It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.
I see they still fly Harriers as well.
They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.
So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.
Or two
It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.
HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
Ocean is a classed as an Amphibious Assault Ship but its primary function (and its design history) is as a Helicopter Carrier.
But never mind, if you don't like it, I'm sure Marine Scotland will happily add it to our fleet then we can devolve naval services and stop Scotland having to pay for a Royal Navy that can't serve the needs of Scotland.
Who said I did not like it. The purpose of its helicopters is to transport marines. Trident and any replacement has not nor will not disrupt our defence stance. Labour's procurement of 2 giant aircraft carriers without catapults has managed that.
Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.
He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.
I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.
He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.
I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
Looking ahead to another Mayoral Election in Bristol, one hopes that Shadders hasn't lost the plot. But for those of you who want to bet on this one read on.
Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.
He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.
I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
Boris is a jerk, a buffoon, an unfaithful, arrogant, wanker.
Hailsham was decent and thoughtful, if overly abrasive and intolerant of people he thought were to slow to keep up with his thinking. He didn't get the PM slot because MacMillan stitched him up - but equally, I don't think he would have been very good at the job to be quite honest.
Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.
He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.
I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
Every political party needs someone to ring the bell. Unfortunately for labour that job at the moment rests with McDonnell and Watson.
Boris is very popular in the Conservative Party, in the sense that people like him and he's a sell-out star at any events he appears in. I'm not sure that popularity in that sense translates a vote for him in a leadership campaign, however - even assuming that he gets into the final two presented by MPs to members.
He has a touch of the Lord Hailsham about him.
Quintin Hailsham was my mentor when I was growing up. Boris isn't a bit like him.
Since you knew him well, I defer to you, obviously.
I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
Boris is a jerk, a buffoon, an unfaithful, arrogant, wanker.
Hailsham was decent and thoughtful, if overly abrasive and intolerant of people he thought were to slow to keep up with his thinking. He didn't get the PM slot because MacMillan stitched him up - but equally, I don't think he would have been very good at the job to be quite honest.
I've been re-reading Lord Hailsham's views on Homosexuality, Decent isn't the adjective I'd use. Though I acknowledge he was a man of his era.
Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).
It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.
I see they still fly Harriers as well.
They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.
So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.
Or two
It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.
HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
Dair doesn't approve of any military equipment which isn't fitted with a referendum trigger.
I'm intrigued by the choice of Lawson's campaign group name as "Conservatives for Britain".
I'm tangentially involved in "Business for Britain" which is studiously cross party.
But it's an interesting chance which doesn't strike me as a concidence. Could you see other groups with a similar name speaking to specific interest areas (perhaps even "Kippers for Britain") coming together under a "For Britain" banner group?
("Leave, for Britain's sake" doesn't quite work as a slogan for me, but it feels like there is something you could do with the concept)
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
I reckon Osborne will be the Octavian to Dave's Caesar.
Edit. Sajid works better as Octavian with Ozzy as Mark Antony
I don't think either George Osborne or Sajid Javid would relish the idea of going down to a crushing defeat at the hands of the Germans.
Although Germany wouldn't be Germany; it'd be something like Scotland (though of course Augustus was campaigning in Germany to extend the empire, not to retain an existing province, so even there the analogy is only partial).
"If I were drafting a slogan for Leave I think I would be drawn towards:
Let's Just Be Friends"
Quite good. It has something of the multi faceted but gentle Guardian's 'Points of View' which was voted best ad of the 80's. Considering the potential overtones of English nationalism on the leave side a gentle slogan would definitely help
@AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
Mr. Eagles, don't get your hopes up. Rugby World Cups never see shock results.
.....
Getting knocked out of the group stage at home by both Wales and Australia would be the greatest national humiliation this country has faced since the fall of Singapore.
For @TheScreamingEagles et al re creationism - I know it is FPT but I came across this when looking for something completely different elsewhere: a creationist museum in the UK. No idea if it is related to Hancockian politics, mind, or if it is in receipt of public funding.
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
I wonder what the price of any of the. Winners of leadership elections three years before were? Miliband, Corbyn and Cameron all very big... Clegg and Farron maybe not so
Farage was 4-6 in May! But people were still shocked
Dair Why is a very important and successful part of the nations defense force seen to be a waste of time..like insurance .. you don't need it until you need it..do try and grow up..
The UK has been without an Aircraft Carrier (an actual AC not a LCV) since 1979 (arguably since the mid-60s as the Audacious class was obsolete after the first Super Carriers deployed). The UK successfully deployed to the Falklands despite having no AC and have carried out all military deployments since then with no AC.
QE and PC are complete wastes of money, pork barrel politics of the worst kind at the behest of the former member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.
Edit - I see in the previous thread Sunil points out that the convoy had one obsolete AC in it HMS Hermes. At 23,000 tons Hermes was an LCV by 1983 and no longer could be considered an AC. Actually Wiki defines the Centaur class as always being LCVs.
Hermes later transferred to India in 1986 (INS Viraat). Still in service with the Indians.
Only just: IIRC they're discussing whether to make her a museum (I do hope so as the UK never bothered to preserve an aircraft carrier or post-Dreadnought battleship/battlecruiser).
Mr. Eagles, don't get your hopes up. Rugby World Cups never see shock results.
.....
Getting knocked out of the group stage at home by both Wales and Australia would be the greatest national humiliation this country has faced since the fall of Singapore.
No one is interested in rugby union because no one understands it.
Looking ahead to another Mayoral Election in Bristol, one hopes that Shadders hasn't lost the plot. But for those of you who want to bet on this one read on.
I think it will be an interesting contest. Ferguson has not made himself popular in many quarters e.g. with his RPZ in Clifton but Lab's candidate Rees is poor and lost last time around.
It will be interesting to see if turnout increases second time around. Last time it was a derisory 28% but this time they have scrapped election by thirds and will elect the whole council so that might help.
Dair Why is a very important and successful part of the nations defense force seen to be a waste of time..like insurance .. you don't need it until you need it..do try and grow up..
The UK has been without an Aircraft Carrier (an actual AC not a LCV) since 1979 (arguably since the mid-60s as the Audacious class was obsolete after the first Super Carriers deployed). The UK successfully deployed to the Falklands despite having no AC and have carried out all military deployments since then with no AC.
QE and PC are complete wastes of money, pork barrel politics of the worst kind at the behest of the former member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.
Edit - I see in the previous thread Sunil points out that the convoy had one obsolete AC in it HMS Hermes. At 23,000 tons Hermes was an LCV by 1983 and no longer could be considered an AC. Actually Wiki defines the Centaur class as always being LCVs.
Hermes later transferred to India in 1986 (INS Viraat). Still in service with the Indians.
Only just: IIRC they're discussing whether to make her a museum (I do hope so as the UK never bothered to preserve an aircraft carrier or post-Dreadnought battleship/battlecruiser).
As if we haven't enough to worry about: City A.M. @CityAM 22s22 seconds ago Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6
As if we haven't enough to worry about: City A.M. @CityAM 22s22 seconds ago Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6
'It did not enter the human food chain, and authorities said there was no risk to human health.'
As if we haven't enough to worry about: City A.M. @CityAM 22s22 seconds ago Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6
'It did not enter the human food chain, and authorities said there was no risk to human health.'
Greetings from Majorca. Has Corbyn said anything that is bonkers today?
@AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
Dair Why is a very important and successful part of the nations defense force seen to be a waste of time..like insurance .. you don't need it until you need it..do try and grow up..
The UK has been without an Aircraft Carrier (an actual AC not a LCV) since 1979 (arguably since the mid-60s as the Audacious class was obsolete after the first Super Carriers deployed). The UK successfully deployed to the Falklands despite having no AC and have carried out all military deployments since then with no AC.
QE and PC are complete wastes of money, pork barrel politics of the worst kind at the behest of the former member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.
Edit - I see in the previous thread Sunil points out that the convoy had one obsolete AC in it HMS Hermes. At 23,000 tons Hermes was an LCV by 1983 and no longer could be considered an AC. Actually Wiki defines the Centaur class as always being LCVs.
Hermes later transferred to India in 1986 (INS Viraat). Still in service with the Indians.
Only just: IIRC they're discussing whether to make her a museum (I do hope so as the UK never bothered to preserve an aircraft carrier or post-Dreadnought battleship/battlecruiser).
Or even a pre-dreadnought. The only capital ship we still have is HMS Victory.
Indeed, though the RN do define the Trident boomers as capital ships - rather oddly as they are of little relevance to traditional naval missions. And perhaps I should have added the qualifier 'afloat', given that the Royal Oak is very much preserved, albeit as a war grave, in Scapa Flow.
Greetings from Majorca. Has Corbyn said anything that is bonkers today?
@AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
Is it so bonkers? There seem to be clear advantages in such a fudge given that, last time there was a vote on Trident in the Scottish Parliament, SLAB voted very much against it, if memory serves.
"If I were drafting a slogan for Leave I think I would be drawn towards:
Let's Just Be Friends"
Quite good. It has something of the multi faceted but gentle Guardian's 'Points of View' which was voted best ad of the 80's. Considering the potential overtones of English nationalism on the leave side a gentle slogan would definitely help
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).
And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.
It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).
It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.
I see they still fly Harriers as well.
They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.
So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.
Or two
It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.
HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe
The Gov't could save itself cash (Now Royal Mail is privatised especially) by not automailing EC Sales/VAT returns given 90% of businesses must do it online now anyway.
But unity behind what? How are they supposed to demonstrate unity when their own party leader is not prepared to stand by his own party’s own policies? How are they supposed to demonstrate unity when their own party leader is not prepared stand by the resolutions passed by his own party conference? And how are they supposed to demonstrate unity when their own leader adopts stances that make any debate about an issue as fundamental as Britain’s nuclear defence utterly redundant?
As if we haven't enough to worry about: City A.M. @CityAM 22s22 seconds ago Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6
'It did not enter the human food chain, and authorities said there was no risk to human health.'
Er... normally the problem is that it could have spread to other cows.
The risk is very rarely cow #1 in particular.
There is rarely a cow #1 in the normal epidemiological sense in that BSE is not contagious or infectious, rather it is spread in the cow population through contaminated feed. So my guess is that the field epidemiologists are diligently and rapidly tracking back the feed sources for this cow to see if this case is from a contaminated feed batch (in which case they will ascertain how big the batch was, how it got contaminated, what else (including processing equipment) might have been contaminated, and where else that batch of feed has gone) in order to take action accordingly.
Prions are very interesting. Apparently, we still don't know how they cross the brain blood barrier.
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).
And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.
It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
The next Labour leader markets look as though they have horrific mispricings all over the place to me. They're priced as though the last five months haven't happened. Though I accept that the bookies are pricing on the basis of the public's outdated views.
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).
And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.
It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
The next Labour leader markets look as though they have horrific mispricings all over the place to me. They're priced as though the last five months haven't happened. Though I accept that the bookies are pricing on the basis of the public's outdated views.
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).
And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.
It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
3/1 on Chuka "Labour members are spoilt children" Umunna is not much better.
@AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
Their position is quite clear. They will be against it in Scotland and for it in England.
And Corbyn choosing to speak at a rally in Manchester during the Tory conference won't go down well with the small subset of the GBP that notice. (It will of course go down fabulously with the Corbynites).
A head trader at my old job hated a punter so much he said he would like to torture him by tying him to a bed in a room full of televisions showing arbs that he would be unable to get on... Virtually the same as the betting tips on here!
Know what you mean - I can't get on either... though it doesn't take much effort to tip from a book compiled that badly! Can I interest anyone in 9/2 Ed Balls? Anyone?
I guess it could be a safety price in case a by election that labour are 1/10 or shorter comes along... Although it's prob just a rick!
It's not all that daft a price. What odds would you have got in late 1997 on Portillo succeeding Hague? Labour are notoriously poor at ousting leaders and a by-election in a safe seat should come up in the next three years at some point. In the meantime, he's not compromised by Corbyn.
Even if you think 9/2 Ed Balls isn't that daft, they're simultaneously 20/1 David Miliband (who's in a similar boat, but has been backed elsewhere).
And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.
It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
The next Labour leader markets look as though they have horrific mispricings all over the place to me. They're priced as though the last five months haven't happened. Though I accept that the bookies are pricing on the basis of the public's outdated views.
There is a thread coming up on that.
The disparity between the Balls and Miliband prices is hard to justify, but let's be fair, this is a long term novelty market - firms are banging any old short price up so they appear on oddschecker and if they can avoid taking a bet, all the better.
What you are really commenting on, Watson aside, is the huge over round... Which is kind of understandable for them to do...I can't see why they bother doing prices at this stage really
@DavidL ...Boris' popularity amongst the population at large is irrelevant since the population at large does not get a vote.
Only irrelevant if you think the selectorate doesn't take into account wider popularity.
Is Boris really that popular outside London? I'm not at all sure that he is.
Yes, I think he is. Being popular, however, does not make you a good leader on its own.
Are you sure?
I vaguely remember a thread from last year where polling showed that he didn't add much to the Tories outside of their core Home Counties and was negative in the critical Northern/Midland marginals.
Boris = Corbyn
I just cannot imagine Boris Johnson as Prime Minister (even less so than Corbyn). Yes he's clever and likeable, but that is not the only qualities you look for in a Prime Minister.
Greetings from Majorca. Has Corbyn said anything that is bonkers today?
@AlexForsythBBC: Jeremy Corbyn has told BBC Scotland that Labour may have to go into the Holyrood elections next year without a clear position on Trident
He might have to go into the General Election without a clear position on Trident too. I don't see how he squares this circle...
Great article on Ted Cruz by McCain's former chief of staff. Great, that is, save for the last two words. To harbour even a scintilla of doubt over the voters' abilities in this regard is an insult.
Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).
It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.
I see they still fly Harriers as well.
They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.
So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.
Or two
It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.
HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe
Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
There are more Tories in Manchester than you think..anyone causing bother next week will be imported..and they would be making a serious mistake if they think all Tories are softies..
Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).
It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.
I see they still fly Harriers as well.
They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.
So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.
Or two
It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.
HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe
Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
Thought so, surely can't be an amphibious landing craft at that size?
Ok, you're right. No problems going into an election like that.
Oh, quite. But, if one ignores for the moment issues such as radiochemical safety and planning which are devolved, Trident is a reserved matter as far as Scottish Parliament and Government powers are concerned. This allows, for instance, Ms Dugdale to refuse to answer a question like that on the additional fudge that it is not within the scope of the Scottish elections. Mind you, it is rather a technicality and may not go down well ...
Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).
It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.
I see they still fly Harriers as well.
They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.
So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.
Or two
It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.
HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe
Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
Thought so, surely can't be an amphibious landing craft at that size?
It carries some amphibious landing craft, and helicopters.
Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).
It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.
I see they still fly Harriers as well.
They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.
So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.
Or two
It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.
HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe
Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
Thought so, surely can't be an amphibious landing craft at that size?
It's not. It's an amphibious assault ship, that carries landing craft.
Do you know if they are planning to replace it? I would see no reason why India could not afford to buy and run a decommissioned Nimitz class (or build their own if the US won't sell).
It would be interesting if they see no need to do so despite being in a far more fractious part of the world, with actual ongoing border conflicts including with an actual bone fide super power.
I see they still fly Harriers as well.
They purchased the former Soviet carrier Baku and put her in commission as Vikramaditya in 2013, and there are at least two indigenous carrier under construction, including a namesake of Vikrant, India's first LCV, which was purchased in 1957 and decommissioned in 1997.
So they're actually building a more realistic 40k tonner while the admirals dream of a 65k. Admirals dreams eh, lucky no sensible politician will give in to them and actually build such a white elephant.
Or two
It does show that despite being in an active military zone, the Indian naval ambition is so much less than that which the UK is wasting money on.
HMS Ocean remains the best decision the Navy has made in the last 50 years. Yet it's still a single class of one with nothing remotely similar on the horizon. Cost £150m.
HMS Ocean is an amphibious landing ship, built to 'commercial standards'.it carries landing craft and has a stern ramp.
Are you sure? I've been on HMS Ocean it was the largest ship in the fleet I believe
Not was, it is the largest ship in the Royal Navy and will be for at least another two years.
Thought so, surely can't be an amphibious landing craft at that size?
It is a ship that carries helicopters landing craft and up to 800 troops. ie for amphibious assault. It is like the previous HMS Fearless Class. It has a stern ramp but probably not I think a floating dock
Manchester is a very cool city particularly the centre. I don't imagine for a moment there will be any aggression. I was thinking of the costumes the Tory delegates might be wearing
Comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI
We're just as stupid as Labour when we want too.
Chuka Umunna 3/1
Ed Balls 9/2
Andy Burnham 6/1
Yvette Cooper 7/1
Dan Jarvis 8/1
Tom Watson 10/1
Tristram Hunt 10/1
Liz Kendall 12/1
http://www.stanjames.com/UK/802/betting#bo-navigation=175378.2&action=market-group-list
From this week's Popbitch email.
(Apols if already posted)
>> Piping up <<
For whom the Campbell tolls
Labour must really be serious
about taking back Scotland
from the SNP.
How do we know? Alistair
Campbell is doubling down
on his bagpipe practice.
You can find him at 9:30,
pretty much every morning,
practising in the bandstand
at Parliament Hill.
Trident and any replacement has not nor will not disrupt our defence stance. Labour's procurement of 2 giant aircraft carriers without catapults has managed that.
Ps - If you don't understand the Octavian nor the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest analogies down thread I'm happy to educate you on the matter.
Or is that too close to Godwin's law?
I meant in the sense of the way that he tickled the Conservative party's erogenous zones but in practice was destined to perform the role of a fluffer.
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/George-Ferguson-pole-position-Bristol-Mayor/story-27904025-detail/story.html
Hailsham was decent and thoughtful, if overly abrasive and intolerant of people he thought were to slow to keep up with his thinking. He didn't get the PM slot because MacMillan stitched him up - but equally, I don't think he would have been very good at the job to be quite honest.
Just thought I'd share that.
"If I were drafting a slogan for Leave I think I would be drawn towards:
Let's Just Be Friends"
Quite good. It has something of the multi faceted but gentle Guardian's 'Points of View' which was voted best ad of the 80's. Considering the potential overtones of English nationalism on the leave side a gentle slogan would definitely help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3h-T3KQNxU
.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/7017637.stm
If Wales played France in the World Cup final I'd be cheering for France.
https://jacksadventuresinmuseumland.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/on-the-origins-of-species/
Bloody stressful day for an England rugby fan who bets on politics to be in Marseille.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/30/housing-crisis-policy-myth-realities
My work colleague has a fiver on Fiji at 6-1.
Even if Wales beat Fiji, England should still go through if they beat Aus, because Wales won;t beat Aus.
I reckon to qualify Wales will have to bonus point Fiji and get a losing point from Aus....a tall order.
With all the injuries England was our final, I reckon. A glorious exit awaits
Farage was 4-6 in May! But people were still shocked
http://shipsmonthly.com/2015/03/31/carrier-to-be-retired/
Foiled terrorist plot in Blackburn, Lancashire..'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11904327/Britains-youngest-terrorist-planned-to-behead-his-teachers-court-hears.html?WT.mc_id=e_DM52198&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FPM_New&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FPM_New_2015_10_01&utm_campaign=DM52198
It will be interesting to see if turnout increases second time around. Last time it was a derisory 28% but this time they have scrapped election by thirds and will elect the whole council so that might help.
It's got one of the most famous theme tunes and has been repeated many times over the years.
City A.M. @CityAM 22s22 seconds ago
Mad cow disease #BSE found in dead Welsh cow on British farm http://dlvr.it/CKJRH6
Oh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34413649
The risk is very rarely cow #1 in particular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0
And 12/1 Liz "4.5%" Kendall. And 10/1 Tristram "Tristram" Hunt. And 25/1 Douglas "any seats down South, lads?" Alexander.
It's genuinely the worst compiled book I think I've ever seen - and they had 6 other sets of prices they could have used as a guide.
The Gov't could save itself cash (Now Royal Mail is privatised especially) by not automailing EC Sales/VAT returns given 90% of businesses must do it online now anyway.
Prions are very interesting. Apparently, we still don't know how they cross the brain blood barrier.
I wonder if this will be a big story next week.
What you are really commenting on, Watson aside, is the huge over round... Which is kind of understandable for them to do...I can't see why they bother doing prices at this stage really
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/10/01/what_ted_cruz_really_stands_for_128264.html
Though if you are a valued Stan James customer, then you may have to look down the back of the sofa to find spare cash to put on him.
"http://order-order.com/2015/10/01/feldman-warns-tories-to-hide-passes-in-manchester/#:cPPe1B0uPjtVAQ
I wonder if this will be a big story next week."
LOL!! As if Mancunians need to look at passes to spot a Tory!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-mideast-crisis-russia-syria-idUSKCN0RV41O20151001
https://twitter.com/bbcleicester/status/648877175911895040
Oh, quite. But, if one ignores for the moment issues such as radiochemical safety and planning which are devolved, Trident is a reserved matter as far as Scottish Parliament and Government powers are concerned. This allows, for instance, Ms Dugdale to refuse to answer a question like that on the additional fudge that it is not within the scope of the Scottish elections. Mind you, it is rather a technicality and may not go down well ...
Manchester is a very cool city particularly the centre. I don't imagine for a moment there will be any aggression. I was thinking of the costumes the Tory delegates might be wearing
Yup, they will stand out a mile...