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  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Dan... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11899851/Jeremy-Corbyn-doesnt-want-to-sit-in-No-10.-He-wants-to-protest-outside-it.html

    If you’re Jeremy Corbyn, you do something that is breathtaking in both its audacity and its simplicity. You just pretend the voters don’t exist. You simply ignore them. And you hope that if you do, perhaps they’ll just go away, and never bother you or your party again.
    Spot on as always....
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Wow, Michelle Tomson is an un-person...

    http://www.snp.org/people/michelle-thomson
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    What a turnip :wink:
    Scott_P said:

    Wow, Michelle Tomson is an un-person...

    http://www.snp.org/people/michelle-thomson

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    Scottish law.
    Yes, but it would still set a precedent.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    I doubt it will be plagiarism that does for Jezza.

    It will be wanting to have his cake and eat it. Brushing Trident in under the carpet on the one hand but saying to his faithful that he is still opposed to it if in power.

    His excuse for not supporting Trident seems wrong anyway - he claims it will take up 25% of defence budget, but that is plain wrong. He is stupid or a liar.
    Of course we do not know the total size of a Corbyn defence budget as yet.
    We shall just have to wait until Santa tells him
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,351

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    Yes it is. The lack of detailed reference to the English authorities is quite surprising. It seems the judges have almost gone back to first principles and simple statutory interpretation. I am concerned about the breadth of the implications.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,130
    Jeremy Corbyn - a man so wise that he's spent most of his life disagreeing with everyone and sitting on the back-benches.

    John McDonnell - a man so wise that he's the John McDonnell that we know.

    How hard can it be to immediately identify these people as hopeless? They should both be drummed out of the UK for their presumption.




  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,184
    DavidL said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    Yes it is. The lack of detailed reference to the English authorities is quite surprising. It seems the judges have almost gone back to first principles and simple statutory interpretation. I am concerned about the breadth of the implications.
    Perhaps they are looking ahead to the time when Scotland is a foreign country and anticipating challenges that might arise from bringing in foreign authorities.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    o/t if anyone can recommend a UK immigration lawyer, please send me a vanilla.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Has Ipsos Mori actually published the poll results on which this thread is based ?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    surbiton said:

    Has Ipsos Mori actually published the poll results on which this thread is based ?

    It is a focus group - not a poll....
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    I only caught a smidgen of the speech in the car and it was the mollifying bit about nice politics and people being grown up enough to agree to disagree.

    All fine, but then I thought to myself, this is a guy who's been married three times.

    I'm still on my first marriage, so on that basis, I'm more willing to be be agreeable than Corbyn.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    Has Ipsos Mori actually published the poll results on which this thread is based ?

    It is a focus group - not a poll....
    Good. The results then ?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:

    she is not named or involved at this stage in the investigation.

    Thomson, who said she always acted within the law, has withdrawn from her role as the SNP’s Business, Innovation and Skills spokesperson in the House of Commons and as party whip while the investigation takes place.
    An investigation she is not involved in...

    Put down the Bucky, Malc, you've had enough for one night.
    Always the sign of a loser, saddo if I was drinking it would be classier than that, I am not like you and your lowlife friends. I can afford real stuff. Now F Off and don't ever post to me again you cretin.

    You've upset him now: he's a purple tin.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418
    Good speech, as was yesterday's from McD. It is so refreshing to see Labour figures saying things that their predecessors have been too timid to say.

    A good start for Sh1t or Bust Labour. So far, I think l did the right thing voting for JC.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I thought Mori said the focus group figures would be published at 6:00 pm. Maybe the results are not to their liking.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    edited 2015 29
    Isn't it extraordinary the attention the Labour conference is getting. Compare with the Lib's whose conference went unnoticed.

    Carlotta mentioned advertising. The 4 aims of advertising and 'The Corbyn effect'


    1. Get peoples attention -Check
    2. Make your claims believable -check
    3. Make your product desirable -check
    4. Motivate your target market to do something -check
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I don't know what they are talking about...

    @faisalislam: Another big breaking story of course is SNP MP @MichelleThomson ... @joncraig now reporting it...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,184
    Fenster said:

    I only caught a smidgen of the speech in the car and it was the mollifying bit about nice politics and people being grown up enough to agree to disagree.

    All fine, but then I thought to myself, this is a guy who's been married three times.

    I'm still on my first marriage, so on that basis, I'm more willing to be be agreeable than Corbyn.

    I would be only too keen to be swayed by a pleasant manner & soothing words, if I hadn't been around the last time and seen that what comes from the fellow-travellers is so very different.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Roger said:

    Isn't it extraordinary the attention the Labour conference is getting. Compare with the Lib's whose conference went unnoticed.

    Carlotta mentioned advertising. The 4 principles of advertising and 'The Corbyn effect'


    1. Get peoples attention -Check
    2. Make your claims believable -check
    3. Make your product desirable -check
    4. Motivate your target market to do something -check


    1. Get peoples attention - Check
    2. Make your claims believable - No.
    3. Make your product desirable - No way.
    4. Motivate your target market to do something - Vote Tory.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Roger said:

    Isn't it extraordinary the attention the Labour conference is getting. Compare with the Lib's whose conference went unnoticed.

    Carlotta mentioned advertising. The 4 principles of advertising and 'The Corbyn effect'


    1. Get peoples attention -Check
    2. Make your claims believable -check
    3. Make your product desirable -check
    4. Motivate your target market to do something -check


    1. Get peoples attention - Check
    2. Make your claims believable - No.
    3. Make your product desirable - No way.
    4. Motivate your target market to do something - Vote Tory.
    Blasphemer, stone him!
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Good speech, as was yesterday's from McD. It is so refreshing to see Labour figures saying things that their predecessors have been too timid to say.

    A good start for Sh1t or Bust Labour. So far, I think l did the right thing voting for JC.

    I think you'll find that his predecessors were a bit more savvy, some of them not by very much admittedly.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    I don't know what they are talking about...

    @faisalislam: Another big breaking story of course is SNP MP @MichelleThomson ... @joncraig now reporting it...

    Who goes Dair ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:

    Who goes Dair ?

    Well, at least Fiona's in the clear...
    Culture Secretary Fiona Hyslop is under increasing pressure for failing to answer questions on a Scottish Government payment of £150,000 to the T in the Park music festival.

    Scottish Labour has called for Hyslop to make a full ministerial statement on the issue, while the Scottish Conservatives have called for First Minister Nicola Sturgeon to intervene.
    https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/fiona-hyslop-under-pressure-over-t-park-funding
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Hajj deaths: Saudis say 769 died. They have sent over 1000 photos of victims to various countries.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,693
    edited 2015 29
    Scott_P said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surely that would be Angus Robertson's job, not Sturgeon's? Or do the SNP run their Westminster cadre from Holyrood?

    That's why Nicola flew down from Edinburgh on the first day on the new Parliament, to remind them who's in charge.
    It's appalling that the SNP leader thinks she leads the SNP. This proves that the Conservatives are good.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    EPG said:

    Scott_P said:

    ydoethur said:

    Surely that would be Angus Robertson's job, not Sturgeon's? Or do the SNP run their Westminster cadre from Holyrood?

    That's why Nicola flew down from Edinburgh on the first day on the new Parliament, to remind them who's in charge.
    It's appalling that the SNP leader thinks she leads the SNP. This proves that the Conservatives are good.
    It's appalling you don't know who is in charge in Westminster.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    EPG said:

    It's appalling that the SNP leader thinks she leads the SNP.

    What about poor Angus? Just a spare pillock at the wedding?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Roger said:

    Isn't it extraordinary the attention the Labour conference is getting. Compare with the Lib's whose conference went unnoticed.

    Carlotta mentioned advertising. The 4 principles of advertising and 'The Corbyn effect'


    1. Get peoples attention -Check
    2. Make your claims believable -check
    3. Make your product desirable -check
    4. Motivate your target market to do something -check

    ARE you bei9ng deliberately thick Roger? I guess you must be.. I mean why would the BBC have lots of coverage of the Oppositions first Party conference.

    Corbytn got my attention, just like the local farmer has , ploughing in human excrement into the fields..

    1) attention to nasty smell -check
    2) Claims believable-- in your dreams
    3)Product desirable- like a dose of the clap
    4) motivate your target to do something- you need to wait, its coming
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Do all such politicians nowadays use speech writers---part of the time or usually? Did Churchill use one? Cameron? The latter's delivery indicates to me that he could have a 2nd career on the stage or perhaps selling stuff.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,238
    surbiton said:

    Hajj deaths: Saudis say 769 died. They have sent over 1000 photos of victims to various countries.

    They are saying that some of the over 1,000 photos are of people who died at the Hajj but not in the crush. It's not beyond the realms of belief that some people would die of other accidents and natural causes when there are two million people in an area, and that some are unidentified.

    Whether it's true or not is a different matter ...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @holyroodmandy: Who is speaking for @theSNP on Michelle Thomson story? Phones ring out, no one knows anything, is it WM, Holyrood, HQ - times have changed.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AlanRoden: Confirmation from SNP: "Michelle Thomson’s decision to withdraw from the party whip means her party membership is also suspended.”

    @camusson: Michelle Thomson MP suspended from party, SNP spokesman confirms
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Toms said:

    Do all such politicians nowadays use speech writers---part of the time or usually? Did Churchill use one? Cameron? The latter's delivery indicates to me that he could have a 2nd career on the stage or perhaps selling stuff.

    Yes they do use writers, just not normally ones from four years ago, which have been published on an obscure blog and turned down by multiple losers.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulhutcheon: Bet local @theSNP members wish they'd picked @mstewart_23

    @GeeJayJon: @paulhutcheon @theSNP @mstewart_23 what's his property portfolio like?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Telegraph running with the 1980s Reject line.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,120
    malcolmg said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    So prosecuting lying cheating politicians would be against English Law.
    Evening, Malc and SO. Hope you are well.

    From what I recall, it is the same law as the recent cases down Sarf so it is - de facto - Uk wide. I do seem to recall there was some incomprehension between the devotees of the two different systems) when Mr Carmichael was being prosecuted.

    A very interesting posting by Lallans PW (as usual) if nobody has commented on it -

    http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/we-wish-to-hear-evidence.html
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited 2015 29
    saddened said:

    Toms said:

    Do all such politicians nowadays use speech writers---part of the time or usually? Did Churchill use one? Cameron? The latter's delivery indicates to me that he could have a 2nd career on the stage or perhaps selling stuff.

    Yes they do use writers, just not normally ones from four years ago, which have been published on an obscure blog and turned down by multiple losers.
    I have no idea why your comment reminded me of a remark I heard the other day by a critic that he reckoned that foreigners "make better movies of Shakespeare plays" (for instance Kurosawa) because they didn't let language get in the way.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,120
    Sean_F said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    A Scottish judgement is not binding on a Court in England and Wales, or in Northern Ireland. But, it can be persuasive.
    Today's written judgement certainly pays close attention to what has happened in past cases, as it happens, so it seems to be working the other way too.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,238
    Carnyx said:

    Sean_F said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    A Scottish judgement is not binding on a Court in England and Wales, or in Northern Ireland. But, it can be persuasive.
    Today's written judgement certainly pays close attention to what has happened in past cases, as it happens, so it seems to be working the other way too.
    Hi Carnyx,

    Welcome back!
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    edited 2015 29
    Scott_P said:

    @AlanRoden: Confirmation from SNP: "Michelle Thomson’s decision to withdraw from the party whip means her party membership is also suspended.”

    @camusson: Michelle Thomson MP suspended from party, SNP spokesman confirms

    Say it's not so, Malcoholic, assured us it wasn't an issue and she would be vindicated. So it's strange, the snp have dropped her like somebody from West Monster.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    chestnut said:

    Telegraph running with the 1980s Reject line.

    not the strongest, let's be honest.

    but a reminder to some their "new" politics has been tried before?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,120

    Carnyx said:

    Sean_F said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    A Scottish judgement is not binding on a Court in England and Wales, or in Northern Ireland. But, it can be persuasive.
    Today's written judgement certainly pays close attention to what has happened in past cases, as it happens, so it seems to be working the other way too.
    Hi Carnyx,

    Welcome back!
    Thank you. Hope you (and everyone else) are well.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598
    I went along to the IPSOS-MORI fringe event - mostly it was about the survey that was published a week or two ago (showing Tories 4 points ahead among all voters, 6 points among likely voters) but they added snippets from the focus group of 8 (yes, eight) voters. They liked Corbyn and thought him authentic and "one of us" but weren't "yet convinced enough" that he had the right policies.

    Dan Hodges was there, and definitely not a fan - there was some amiable sparring with the audience which the IPSOS guy cut off: "New nicer politics, remember!"
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,238

    I went along to the IPSOS-MORI fringe event - mostly it was about the survey that was published a week or two ago (showing Tories 4 points ahead among all voters, 6 points among likely voters) but they added snippets from the focus group of 8 (yes, eight) voters. They liked Corbyn and thought him authentic and "one of us" but weren't "yet convinced enough" that he had the right policies.

    Dan Hodges was there, and definitely not a fan - there was some amiable sparring with the audience which the IPSOS guy cut off: "New nicer politics, remember!"

    Are you thrilled with your boy, Nick?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    alexmassie ‏@alexmassie 5 mins5 minutes ago
    @SamCoatesTimes So they go from "no similarity" to "Heller was cool"?
    2 retweets 1 favourite
    Reply Retweet 2 Favourite 1
    More

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 5 mins5 minutes ago Brighton, England
    @alexmassie The initial utter denial was done by the spokesman, before he had checked the facts

    So how comes the spokesman's denial counts as a denial, but the PM's Official Spokesman's denials don't?

    (At least according to @putin'sluckyguy
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:



    Whenever I give speeches in the US, I always start by asking:

    "In the post World War II period, only one US warship has been destroyed by enemy fire. Which country was doing the attacking?"

    No-one ever gets it right :-)

    It's almost as good as "In the Catholic doctrine of the immaculate conception, who's conception is it that's immaculate?"

    Israel and Mary?
    Absolutely right. It's amazing how few Catholics get the second one right; and I once took £5 off an Anglican vicar at a wedding on the question...
    Yes! Finally found a use for my Theology A level!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,351
    Very poor results for the Premier Leaguers again this evening. England are going to lose a place if it goes on like this.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Roger said:

    Eagle

    "Speaking to my Manchester focus group of 30 something professionals"

    Is that professionals or pros?

    They say the legal profession is the world's second oldest profession.

    Having spent fifteen years working in the legal profession I can say it shares similarities to the world's oldest profession
    I always thought that spying was the 2nd oldest.
    Learn something new every day on PB
    Nah, it's banking and prostitution.

    They both involve screwing people for money
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    DavidL said:

    Very poor results for the Premier Leaguers again this evening. England are going to lose a place if it goes on like this.

    Shame.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @WingsScotland: Delighted to see both @Ivan_McKee and @MichelleThomson of Business For Scotland standing for SNP selection. Would be great choices.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756
    Tumbleweed on here tonight, slavering frothers outnumbering real posters.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,238
    Guardian Jonathan Freedland nearly word-for-word same as Dan.

    It really is like shooting fish in a barrel.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,876
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    So prosecuting lying cheating politicians would be against English Law.
    Evening, Malc and SO. Hope you are well.

    From what I recall, it is the same law as the recent cases down Sarf so it is - de facto - Uk wide. I do seem to recall there was some incomprehension between the devotees of the two different systems) when Mr Carmichael was being prosecuted.

    A very interesting posting by Lallans PW (as usual) if nobody has commented on it -

    http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/we-wish-to-hear-evidence.html
    That is an interesting piece, but I'm not at all convinced that the Judges are correct that Section 106 punishes lying about oneself, as opposed to lying about other candidates.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756
    Sean_F said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    So prosecuting lying cheating politicians would be against English Law.
    Evening, Malc and SO. Hope you are well.

    From what I recall, it is the same law as the recent cases down Sarf so it is - de facto - Uk wide. I do seem to recall there was some incomprehension between the devotees of the two different systems) when Mr Carmichael was being prosecuted.

    A very interesting posting by Lallans PW (as usual) if nobody has commented on it -

    http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/we-wish-to-hear-evidence.html
    That is an interesting piece, but I'm not at all convinced that the Judges are correct that Section 106 punishes lying about oneself, as opposed to lying about other candidates.
    He is an out and out liar
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,120
    Sean_F said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    So prosecuting lying cheating politicians would be against English Law.
    Evening, Malc and SO. Hope you are well.

    From what I recall, it is the same law as the recent cases down Sarf so it is - de facto - Uk wide. I do seem to recall there was some incomprehension between the devotees of the two different systems) when Mr Carmichael was being prosecuted.

    A very interesting posting by Lallans PW (as usual) if nobody has commented on it -

    http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/we-wish-to-hear-evidence.html
    That is an interesting piece, but I'm not at all convinced that the Judges are correct that Section 106 punishes lying about oneself, as opposed to lying about other candidates.
    It's worth a look at the judgement on the Scottish Courts website if you haven't - the link will be in the Lallands PW article, I daresay. IIRC they say 'self-talking' (as they put it) is plainly within the remit of the law as it is worded.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Back to the 80's comrades!!

    ROFL

    Oh , Roger on the previous thread - not exactly a great advert for private education.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756
    Carnyx said:

    Sean_F said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    So prosecuting lying cheating politicians would be against English Law.
    Evening, Malc and SO. Hope you are well.

    From what I recall, it is the same law as the recent cases down Sarf so it is - de facto - Uk wide. I do seem to recall there was some incomprehension between the devotees of the two different systems) when Mr Carmichael was being prosecuted.

    A very interesting posting by Lallans PW (as usual) if nobody has commented on it -

    http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/we-wish-to-hear-evidence.html
    That is an interesting piece, but I'm not at all convinced that the Judges are correct that Section 106 punishes lying about oneself, as opposed to lying about other candidates.
    It's worth a look at the judgement on the Scottish Courts website if you haven't - the link will be in the Lallands PW article, I daresay. IIRC they say 'self-talking' (as they put it) is plainly within the remit of the law as it is worded.

    Nice to see you on again Carnyx.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Jezza did just fine...

    if you know what I mean.

    if you are a tory then he did great.

    If you want a decent Labour party - well..........................
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    ComRes Phone poll for the Mail

    Con 39% (-3)

    Lab 30% (+2)

    LD 9% (+1)

    UKIP 12% (+3)

    Green 4% (-2)

    SNP 4% (-1)

    Other 3% (NC)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-september-political-poll/
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    surbiton said:

    I actually thought he was better than Miliband as Mili always seemed to be walking a tightrope between what he wanted to say and what he felt he ought to say to get elected. Corbyn didn't bother with the second at all so was more consistent.

    I give him some credit as well for taking on the Saudis (although no mention of Wahhabism) and for making clear how the high cost of housing pushes up the benefits bill.

    On the downside, there was a lot of waffle (you could easily cut 10 minutes out) and some areas such as the NHS hardly got a mention. I thought the defence section was unconvincing (retraining trident workers) as was foreign policy (making peace with ISIS). Wasn't there supposed to be something about loving Britain in there - if so I must have zoned out. Nothing in there for voters in Middle England.

    He is the first British politician to criticise the Saudis openly.
    About bloody time. But the Saudis, IS, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shabab, Muslim Brotherhood etc etc - they all drink from the same poisoned well. Criticise one, criticise all. Will Corbyn go that far or is he just doing the lefty version of "this group may be bastards but they're OUR bastards"?

    "Israel may be bastards but they're OUR bastards"?
    To be fair it was 1948 when the Israelis last attempted to blow up British soldiers or civilians. The others have more recent form.
    Although the Israelis were the most recent country to destroy a US warship.
    What more do they need to do to get Corbyn to like them?
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited 2015 29
    I'm monumentally pissed off with Boris for making a complete arse about Le Grand Depart coming to London in 2017.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    edited 2015 29
    Key snaps of Corbyn's speech tonight on 10pm BBC news, anti austerity, anti airstrikes on ISIS, anti Trident, anti selection in schools, not exactly a platform for floating voters even if they liked it in the hall. One of first reactions from Len McCluskey
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,184
    TOPPING said:

    Guardian Jonathan Freedland nearly word-for-word same as Dan.

    It really is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    From your link:
    Dreamily, he imagined a world in which thousands would spend their time the way he has spent the last 30 years.

    That made me LOL.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    ComRes

    Cameron is preferred to Corbyn as Prime Minister. But ratings similar to those of Cameron vs Miliband at GE2015

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQFgS5GWgAAg0kp.jpg

    Tories retain big leads on economic trust & defence. Labour are more trusted on health & benefits

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQFf4KoWgAAkHox.jpg
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Views from voters in Warwickshire North can all be summed up as 'all very nice, but how is it going to be paid for'
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Another inspirational speech from the new Labour leader,causing another 250 people to join the party during his speech.There is no doubt Jezza has the necessary kharma and mojo to fend off the negative waves.After this you have to be on Bernie Sanders to do the same.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135

    ComRes Phone poll for the Mail

    Con 39% (-3)

    Lab 30% (+2)

    LD 9% (+1)

    UKIP 12% (+3)

    Green 4% (-2)

    SNP 4% (-1)

    Other 3% (NC)

    http://comres.co.uk/polls/daily-mail-september-political-poll/

    So biggest gainers from that poll UKIP then Labour, but both still at general election levels, Tories down 2% but still up from their general election score, SNP on 4% down from 5% they got in May
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Mike's always cautious of any polling conducted during conference season
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Good speech, as was yesterday's from McD. It is so refreshing to see Labour figures saying things that their predecessors have been too timid to say.

    A good start for Sh1t or Bust Labour. So far, I think l did the right thing voting for JC.

    I think you'll find that his predecessors were a bit more savvy, some of them not by very much admittedly.
    On the lifted speech Labour should look on the bright side and also save themselves a bit of dosh....


    They could always follow up by using all those left over " Fire up the Quattro " posters....
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Indigo said:

    o/t if anyone can recommend a UK immigration lawyer, please send me a vanilla.

    IIRC Keith Vaz's family has some expertise in that field :)

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Telegraph front page - Awesome picture of Corbyn

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQGT-FkWEAE7gyU.jpg
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: ComRes poll: who would make best PM?

    Cameron 54, Corbyn 30

    Compared to

    Cameron 52, Miliband 31 (pre election)
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Guido
    734 days since a Labour leader mentioned the deficit in their conference speech.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Scott_P said:
    the Corbyn Pic is awesome.. lorralorralaughs.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Roger.. If you think tim was seriously funny then I think you may have a serious problem..you may have to cut back on something.. the man was a liar, obsessive and a total jerk

    Seconded
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    malcolmg said:

    On Carmichael, presumably the court will be aware that it could create some very broad precedent. If it does, the election campaign process is going to be very different in the future and will affect all candidates in all parties. You'd have thought it would want to avoid that.
    This is UK law the court is deciding on, isn't it?

    So prosecuting lying cheating politicians would be against English Law.

    Lying, cheating politicians are not confined to one party. My guess is that even SNP MPs have been known to tell the odd fib.

    Oh! now your for it :-)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    That's a nice pic...

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00984/c3772486-66ea-11e5-_984753c.jpg
    The police announcement plunged the SNP into disarray. There were claims last night that Mrs Thomson had been kicked out of the party but these were denied.

    Her media adviser said: “This is certainly news to her. So far as she knows, she is still a card-carrying member and paying her dues as normal.”
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4571569.ece
    "Having tried to ignore these serious allegations for 48 hours, the SNP has hit the panic button. The SNP promised a new politics at Westminster. It has taken a matter of weeks for their shine to wear off."

    A spokesman for Scottish Labour said: "It is now vital that the SNP come clean about this situation, and who knew what, when. Michelle Thomson was vetted by the SNP and deemed to be an acceptable candidate for an election. Senior cabinet ministers have backed her citing her business dealings."

    A spokeswoman said: "Police Scotland can confirm that as a result of a complaint from the Scottish Solicitors' Disciplinary Tribunal, it has been instructed by the Crown Office to carry out an initial investigation into alleged irregularities relating to property deals in the year 2010-2011."

    A spokesman for the SNP said: “In line with party rules Michelle Thomson’s decision to withdraw from the party whip means her party membership is also suspended.”
    http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/13791520.SNP_MP_Michelle_Thomson_suspended_from_party_as_police_launch_inquiry_into_property_deals/
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Did like this quip from Hodges

    "Finally he began to confronted the really big issues facing the nation. Such as trolling on social media. It had to stop, he said. The conference rose in acclamation at his words. The Tories may be the people you turn to when you want things like the economy fixed. But someone swears at you on Twitter? Labour will be there."

  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    We've had Mike Bassett England Manager; now we have Jeremy Corbyn Labour Leader.

    Corbyn is Eddie the Eagle.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    This Matt cartoon is a few days ago, but it's remarkably good even by his standards.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/?cartoon=11894116&cc=11838535

    No idea how he manages to be so consistently effective at getting to the heart of the issues de nos jours, wryly amusing (enough to smile over) every single day and still laugh-out-loud funny a couple of times a week. That sort of talent is gold-dust. I can't think of any other cartoonist - in fact, any kind of media commentator full stop - who reaches that kind of standard. Though I have a soft spot for Craig Brown.

    (I get the feeling part of the reason I am so impressed is that his rival cartoonists in other papers are generally pretty poor, or take their personal politics too seriously.)
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Moses_ said:

    Did like this quip from Hodges

    "Finally he began to confronted the really big issues facing the nation. Such as trolling on social media. It had to stop, he said. The conference rose in acclamation at his words. The Tories may be the people you turn to when you want things like the economy fixed. But someone swears at you on Twitter? Labour will be there."

    Particularly as it is the lefties who seem to swear more on Twitter!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    When this was pointed out previously, the Zoomers went into overdrive...

    https://twitter.com/alanroden/status/648802907874291712
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    When this was pointed out previously, the Zoomers went into overdrive...

    https://twitter.com/alanroden/status/648802907874291712

    SNP austerity coming soon...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,184

    This Matt cartoon is a few days ago, but it's remarkably good even by his standards.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/?cartoon=11894116&cc=11838535

    No idea how he manages to be so consistently effective at getting to the heart of the issues de nos jours, wryly amusing (enough to smile over) every single day and still laugh-out-loud funny a couple of times a week. That sort of talent is gold-dust. I can't think of any other cartoonist - in fact, any kind of media commentator full stop - who reaches that kind of standard. Though I have a soft spot for Craig Brown.

    (I get the feeling part of the reason I am so impressed is that his rival cartoonists in other papers are generally pretty poor, or take their personal politics too seriously.)

    Many years ago, I read an interview with Matt. One remark of his stuck in my mind: when he was at school, his teachers used to tell him he'd never get anywhere by sitting gazing out of the window .....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Moses_ said:

    Guido
    734 days since a Labour leader mentioned the deficit in their conference speech.

    Remind me, how many days since the Tories last won a majority?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Guido
    734 days since a Labour leader mentioned the deficit in their conference speech.

    Remind me, how many days since the Tories last won a majority?
    145
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:

    SNP austerity coming soon...

    Still, at least Fiona is in the clear...
    “It has also just increased suspicions that the grant was a done deal because of Ms Dempsie’s close connections to the SNP. The public will quite rightly be furious. T in the Park is a commercially viable festival supported by one of our largest breweries; the Scottish Government put on record today that it did not examine other possible funding sources in detail so this just increases the pressure on the cabinet secretary to explain why £150,000 of public money was required. It’s now time for the First Minister to step in and give us some straight answers.”

    The most recent accounts filed at Companies House show that DF Concerts made a pre-tax profit of £5.2 million in 2011, £4.7 million in 2012 and £4.5 million in 2013. For the year ending December 2013, it paid out £3.35 million in dividends.
    http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/13790700.Hyslop__T_in_the_Park_bosses_were_given_state_aid_to_stop_festival_moving_out_of_Scotland/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,481
    Floater said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    surbiton said:

    I actually thought he was better than Miliband as Mili always seemed to be walking a tightrope between what he wanted to say and what he felt he ought to say to get elected. Corbyn didn't bother with the second at all so was more consistent.

    I give him some credit as well for taking on the Saudis (although no mention of Wahhabism) and for making clear how the high cost of housing pushes up the benefits bill.

    On the downside, there was a lot of waffle (you could easily cut 10 minutes out) and some areas such as the NHS hardly got a mention. I thought the defence section was unconvincing (retraining trident workers) as was foreign policy (making peace with ISIS). Wasn't there supposed to be something about loving Britain in there - if so I must have zoned out. Nothing in there for voters in Middle England.

    He is the first British politician to criticise the Saudis openly.
    About bloody time. But the Saudis, IS, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shabab, Muslim Brotherhood etc etc - they all drink from the same poisoned well. Criticise one, criticise all. Will Corbyn go that far or is he just doing the lefty version of "this group may be bastards but they're OUR bastards"?

    "Israel may be bastards but they're OUR bastards"?
    To be fair it was 1948 when the Israelis last attempted to blow up British soldiers or civilians. The others have more recent form.
    Although the Israelis were the most recent country to destroy a US warship.
    What more do they need to do to get Corbyn to like them?
    Haha very good.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCNewsnight: Peter Kellner: "His first obvious need is to get away from allegation he is an extremist...we'll see how successful he is." #newsnight

    @michaelsavage: Not a good end to the day for Corbyn... https://t.co/JKw0P7ViQC

    @PickardJE: Am told that Corbyn didn't mention the word "Israel" at Labour Friends of Israel reception.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,360
    John_M said:

    We've had Mike Bassett England Manager; now we have Jeremy Corbyn Labour Leader.

    Corbyn is Eddie the Eagle.
    Hopefully not; the nation took Eddie to their hearts for having a go. They completely overlooked that he was shite at what he was having a go at. Not a precedent for Prime Ministers, I hope....
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    When this was pointed out previously, the Zoomers went into overdrive...

    https://twitter.com/alanroden/status/648802907874291712

    Is that Stamp Duty paid at regular buyer or at SNP MP discount purchase rates?
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Guido
    734 days since a Labour leader mentioned the deficit in their conference speech.

    Remind me, how many days since the Tories last won a majority?
    145
    TSE has one of those "count-up" clocks on his bedroom wall...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,047

    Telegraph front page - Awesome picture of Corbyn

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQGT-FkWEAE7gyU.jpg

    Pretty good, though it just feels like he'll offer fewer opportunities for amusing photo expressions than Ed M. It feels awhile since I've seen an awkward Cameron photo though, there surely must be some good ones out there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Guido
    734 days since a Labour leader mentioned the deficit in their conference speech.

    Remind me, how many days since the Tories last won a majority?
    145
    TSE has one of those "count-up" clocks on his bedroom wall...
    I'm writing one of Sunday's threads now and I had worked out how many days since the election it would be on Sunday.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    John_M said:

    We've had Mike Bassett England Manager; now we have Jeremy Corbyn Labour Leader.

    Corbyn is Eddie the Eagle.
    Hopefully not; the nation took Eddie to their hearts for having a go. They completely overlooked that he was shite at what he was having a go at. Not a precedent for Prime Ministers, I hope....
    It's not the winning its the taking part of course.....

    Pretty much then what Labour were thinking and saying as they elected Corby as their leader.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNewsnight: Peter Kellner: "His first obvious need is to get away from allegation he is an extremist...we'll see how successful he is." #newsnight

    @michaelsavage: Not a good end to the day for Corbyn... https://t.co/JKw0P7ViQC

    @PickardJE: Am told that Corbyn didn't mention the word "Israel" at Labour Friends of Israel reception.

    Whoever is in charge of Labour FoI is either an idiot for inviting him or it was deliberate...
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    edited 2015 29
    Scott_P said:

    @PickardJE: ComRes poll: who would make best PM?

    Cameron 54, Corbyn 30

    Compared to

    Cameron 52, Miliband 31 (pre election)

    Surely Dave has to stay for 2020.

    He just has to say "Corbyn represents a severe danger to this country; I have been asked to stay on and will do so to secure the country's future".

    It is just totally inconceivable that he could lose to Corbyn.

    Osborne should win but it would be a gamble.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MP_SE said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNewsnight: Peter Kellner: "His first obvious need is to get away from allegation he is an extremist...we'll see how successful he is." #newsnight

    @michaelsavage: Not a good end to the day for Corbyn... https://t.co/JKw0P7ViQC

    @PickardJE: Am told that Corbyn didn't mention the word "Israel" at Labour Friends of Israel reception.

    Whoever is in charge of Labour FoI is either an idiot for inviting him or it was deliberate...
    Give Corbyn credit! I am pleasantly surprised that he showed at a Labour Friends of Israel event.

    How his friends at Hamas must have encouraged him.
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