So, Jeremy's first Commons vote is the Unions bill next week Trident renewal bill after that, or a vote on military action against ISIL...?
In all seriousness, all that has happened since GE2015 is starting to frighten me a bit. It seems like the first fall of rubble before a cliff falls in, or the first shift of snow before an avalanche.
Corbyn supporters don't seem to realise they might have created an opening for UKIP to challenge them as the second party in the UK. Because they live in a bubble there's no way they would ever consider such a scenario.
So, Jeremy's first Commons vote is the Unions bill next week Trident renewal bill after that, or a vote on military action against ISIL...?
In all seriousness, all that has happened since GE2015 is starting to frighten me a bit. It seems like the first fall of rubble before a cliff falls in, or the first shift of snow before an avalanche.
Yes, IDS was the Tories' Ed Miliband. They would have had to have elected Bill Cash as their leader for us to justifiably talk about an equivalent to Corbyn.
As the only party leader in England who seems to take the refugee crisis seriously I think we should welcome his victory. There is no other political leader speaking up for them so whatever happens in 2020 he will have at least served the purpose of showing some in Britain still have humanitarian instincts and thus slightly alleviating our current position as the pariahs of Europe
Exactly how much should we spend, and how many should we take, before we are deemed to be taking it seriously.
Round millions for the cash and hundreds of thousands will be close enough for the people.
Take away your prejudice SO and you see will someone who speaks simply and authentically. My wife was particularly impressed, and she's still not got over Tony leaving.
When Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband spoke it was toe curlingly cringeworthy. At the very least, politics aside, Labour has a leader who seems quite normal and speaks like a normal person. And that has got to count for something.
You have to remind yourself that Corbyn won because people are fed up with the careerist, scheming, plotting, spun crowd. This election was a rejection of that culture. And good.
And during his victory speech Corbyn spoke simply and clearly from the heart- there wasn't even a hint of contrivance. Compare and contrast to Osborne and Cameron.
As I said before, Corbyn may well change the tone and nature of our politics. If not, do you really, really think Andy or Yvette were credible leaders for 2020.
You just have to laugh at the mind-boggling stupidity of the Labour party. What other reaction can there be? They voted to entrench the Tories in power for the next decade and cheered themselves hoarse for doing so.
He made a poor speech that when transcribed will be shown not to have made any sense.
Labour's best chance in 2020 was always going to be the Tories messing up. I think any of the other three would have been electable in such circumstances. Corbyn's track record means that he is not.
To be fair, there is something in what you say. The problem, however, is his history.
Having your finger on the public pulse isn't necessarily a good thing. Sometimes you have to show leadership and bring the public with you- something I think Cameron is singularly incapable of doing.
Labour keep repeating the line that they have "turned around public opinion on migrants". Is there actually any evidence whatsoever of that being the case?
I thought it was Tim Farron who took a stand on this - He went to Calais and actually spoke to some of the would-be migrants.
All the Labour leadership candidates, if I remember correctly - were silent on the issue.
All the evidence suggests that Cameron (and Farage) have their finger on the pulse of public opinion over immigration.
Take away your prejudice SO and you see will someone who speaks simply and authentically. My wife was particularly impressed, and she's still not got over Tony leaving.
When Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband spoke it was toe curlingly cringeworthy. At the very least, politics aside, Labour has a leader who seems quite normal and speaks like a normal person. And that has got to count for something.
You have to remind yourself that Corbyn won because people are fed up with the careerist, scheming, plotting, spun crowd. This election was a rejection of that culture. And good.
And during his victory speech Corbyn spoke simply and clearly from the heart- there wasn't even a hint of contrivance. Compare and contrast to Osborne and Cameron.
As I said before, Corbyn may well change the tone and nature of our politics. If not, do you really, really think Andy or Yvette were credible leaders for 2020.
You just have to laugh at the mind-boggling stupidity of the Labour party. What other reaction can there be? They voted to entrench the Tories in power for the next decade and cheered themselves hoarse for doing so.
He made a poor speech that when transcribed will be shown not to have made any sense.
Labour's best chance in 2020 was always going to be the Tories messing up. I think any of the other three would have been electable in such circumstances. Corbyn's track record means that he is not.
Can't keep up with all this flip-flopping. Can't you just come to a verdict and stick with it for more than a week?
Fallon "Labour are now a serious risk to our national security, economic security and the security of your family" Sky.
Oh dear - Fallon becoming a caricature.
With him drawing the straw to make the personal attack on Ed M during the GE, and now first out on Corbyn after his election, I get the impression it's his role in the party to make the potentially over the top comparisons, then for Cameron and others more moderate to seem more measured in their criticism.
Jamie Reed, Rachel Reeves, Tristram Hunt, Liz Kendall and Emma Reynolds all resign from the opposition front bench, but its OK cos no one has heard of them before.
Jamie Reed, Rachel Reeves, Tristram Hunt, Liz Kendall and Emma Reynolds all resign from the opposition front bench, but its OK cos no one has heard of them before.
How does the appointment of the Shadow team work btw? Is it assumed that nobody is in post (and therefore doesn't need to resign/be sacked) or does Corbyn have to ring around to let people know they're out?
Maybe, worried about finding enough people to fill the posts, he'll emulate what they've done in Scotland and cause mass confusion by creating new posts shadowing different elements of different departments?
Take away your prejudice SO and you see will someone who speaks simply and authentically. My wife was particularly impressed, and she's still not got over Tony leaving.
When Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband spoke it was toe curlingly cringeworthy. At the very least, politics aside, Labour has a leader who seems quite normal and speaks like a normal person. And that has got to count for something.
You have to remind yourself that Corbyn won because people are fed up with the careerist, scheming, plotting, spun crowd. This election was a rejection of that culture. And good.
And during his victory speech Corbyn spoke simply and clearly from the heart- there wasn't even a hint of contrivance. Compare and contrast to Osborne and Cameron.
As I said before, Corbyn may well change the tone and nature of our politics. If not, do you really, really think Andy or Yvette were credible leaders for 2020.
You just have to laugh at the mind-boggling stupidity of the Labour party. What other reaction can there be? They voted to entrench the Tories in power for the next decade and cheered themselves hoarse for doing so.
He made a poor speech that when transcribed will be shown not to have made any sense.
Labour's best chance in 2020 was always going to be the Tories messing up. I think any of the other three would have been electable in such circumstances. Corbyn's track record means that he is not.
Labour has as its leader someone who has spent 40 years sharing platforms with a selection of people who hold a range of abhorent views about Jews, homosexuals, women and so on. And he has never once taken the opportunity to unequivocally condemn them. He chairs an organisation that believes killing British soldiers is acceptable.
Twitter Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 50m50 minutes ago Just spoken to Jeremy Corbyn. He's confirmed he intends to have other Labour MPs take his role at some sessions of PMQs
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 43m43 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs: "David Cameron enjoys a bit of repartee but it's going to be one-way"
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 41m41 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs "We should share it out a bit. I've been in touch with the speaker's office to ask about this."
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 28m28 minutes ago Corbyn quotes a friend: "the best leaders those that assume the position with reluctance because they do it best."
Twitter Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 50m50 minutes ago Just spoken to Jeremy Corbyn. He's confirmed he intends to have other Labour MPs take his role at some sessions of PMQs
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 43m43 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs: "David Cameron enjoys a bit of repartee but it's going to be one-way"
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 41m41 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs "We should share it out a bit. I've been in touch with the speaker's office to ask about this."
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 28m28 minutes ago Corbyn quotes a friend: "the best leaders those that assume the position with reluctance because they do it best."
When does JC get his first lot of appts to the Lords?
Is there anyone we should be looking out for?
Years and years back, I believe when this site was still using its custom comments rather than Disqus, and well before we got Vanilla, I noted the rise of the economic theory of chartalism, and its derivatives like MMT, among the British Left, being spread by organisations like the New Economics Foundation. My analysis at the time was that it was quite likely it would capture some of the minor left-wing parties like the Greens, and that there was a substantial grassroots movement within the Labour party that was promoting it.
Well, Corbyn's idea of "People's QE" idea comes from his economic adviser Richard Murphy, a strong adherent of MMT. Astonishing, and a name to watch out for more from in the near future.
I didn't think such fringe economic ideas would take over the Labour front-bench because I had expected the likes of Ed Balls to stand in the way of it. But you live and learn.
I don't know quite what traction Corbyn's past will have outside the political gimps. At some point the press will tire of it. Clearly Corbyn never even remotely considered holding a responsible post in the party- so it didn't matter.
Now Corbyn is leader- and with a bullet proof mandate- he cannot be removed against his will- let's see how he behaves. Today's speech though was an impressive start.
Take away your prejudice SO and you see will someone who speaks simply and authentically. My wife was particularly impressed, and she's still not got over Tony leaving.
When Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband spoke it was toe curlingly cringeworthy. At the very least, politics aside, Labour has a leader who seems quite normal and speaks like a normal person. And that has got to count for something.
You have to remind yourself that Corbyn won because people are fed up with the careerist, scheming, plotting, spun crowd. This election was a rejection of that culture. And good.
And during his victory speech Corbyn spoke simply and clearly from the heart- there wasn't even a hint of contrivance. Compare and contrast to Osborne and Cameron.
As I said before, Corbyn may well change the tone and nature of our politics. If not, do you really, really think Andy or Yvette were credible leaders for 2020.
You just have to laugh at the mind-boggling stupidity of the Labour party. What other reaction can there be? They voted to entrench the Tories in power for the next decade and cheered themselves hoarse for doing so.
He made a poor speech that when transcribed will be shown not to have made any sense.
Labour's best chance in 2020 was always going to be the Tories messing up. I think any of the other three would have been electable in such circumstances. Corbyn's track record means that he is not.
Labour has as its leader someone who has spent 40 years sharing platforms with a selection of people who hold a range of abhorent views about Jews, homosexuals, women and so on. And he has never once taken the opportunity to unequivocally condemn them. He chairs an organisation that believes killing British soldiers is acceptable.
Jamie Reed, Rachel Reeves, Tristram Hunt, Liz Kendall and Emma Reynolds all resign from the opposition front bench, but its OK cos no one has heard of them before.
You really couldn’t make it up.
Cooper has effectively ruled herself out as well.
Dan Jarvis has also said he won't serve under Corbyn.
"Portsmouth is to get its own minister charged with dealing with the fall-out from the planned closure of the city’s shipbuilding yard and the loss of more than 900 jobs."
The MP, who is a close ally of Chancellor George Osborne, is taking on Michael Fallon's old portfolio of jobs as minister of state for energy, business and Portsmouth."
I don't know quite what traction Corbyn's past will have outside the political gimps. At some point the press will tire of it. Clearly Corbyn never even remotely considered holding a responsible post in the party- so it didn't matter.
Now Corbyn is leader- and with a bullet proof mandate- he cannot be removed against his will- let's see how he behaves. Today's speech though was an impressive start.
Take away your prejudice SO and you see will someone who speaks simply and authentically. My wife was particularly impressed, and she's still not got over Tony leaving.
When Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband spoke it was toe curlingly cringeworthy. At the very least, politics aside, Labour has a leader who seems quite normal and speaks like a normal person. And that has got to count for something.
You have to remind yourself that Corbyn won because people are fed up with the careerist, scheming, plotting, spun crowd. This election was a rejection of that culture. And good.
And during his victory speech Corbyn spoke simply and clearly from the heart- there wasn't even a hint of contrivance. Compare and contrast to Osborne and Cameron.
As I said before, Corbyn may well change the tone and nature of our politics. If not, do you really, really think Andy or Yvette were credible leaders for 2020.
You just have to laugh at the mind-boggling stupidity of the Labour party. What other reaction can there be? They voted to entrench the Tories in power for the next decade and cheered themselves hoarse for doing so.
He made a poor speech that when transcribed will be shown not to have made any sense.
Labour's best chance in 2020 was always going to be the Tories messing up. I think any of the other three would have been electable in such circumstances. Corbyn's track record means that he is not.
Labour has as its leader someone who has spent 40 years sharing platforms with a selection of people who hold a range of abhorent views about Jews, homosexuals, women and so on. And he has never once taken the opportunity to unequivocally condemn them. He chairs an organisation that believes killing British soldiers is acceptable.
You will very soon discover what traction his record has.
That is not what you posted in Tunisia when Corbyn's Jihadists turned-up. Maybe you are just a joke, hey...?
As a matter of interest did Jezzallahakbar make any comment on the Tunisian massacre? Clearly it was all the fault of British imperialists getting their commuppance?
Just received an email from CCHQ 'Labour's new leader is a threat to our national security, our economic security, and your family's security' Mention of Osama, Hezbollah and taxes. Finiahes with 'We can't ever let Labour back into power again'.
I think we can assume the Tories are going all out straight away.
Well I am really quite pleased with the leadership vote. I turned to Jeremy last night.
And you all should be here- and not for the obvious political reasons. Corbyn is the antithesis of the career spad politician. He has a refreshing simplicity. Just think no more stunts. No more hugging hoodies, or trips to Greenland. No EdStones or trips to Russell Brand. No more opportunistic political cross dressing. No more Osborne or Brownlike scheming. I'm sure that most of you here hate all that spin bullshit as much as I do.
Hopefully Jeremy with his honesty and his authenticity will change politics in the UK for the better and that can only be a very good thing.
Exactly! Was really sorry to be in disagreement with you recently.
Fallon "Labour are now a serious risk to our national security, economic security and the security of your family" Sky.
Oh dear - Fallon becoming a caricature.
With him drawing the straw to make the personal attack on Ed M during the GE, and now first out on Corbyn after his election, I get the impression it's his role in the party to make the potentially over the top comparisons, then for Cameron and others more moderate to seem more measured in their criticism.
Quite. And trying the attack lines out before Cameron and more important people use them. He's striking a Mcarthyite 'reds under the bed' tone that I think people are going to be more bemused than convinced by.
Just received an email from CCHQ 'Labour's new leader is a threat to our national security, our economic security, and your family's security' Mention of Osama, Hezbollah and taxes. Finiahes with 'We can't ever let Labour back into power again'.
I think we can assume the Tories are going all out straight away.
If the Tories want what is in the country's best interest, as opposed to what is merely in their own electoral interests, they will want to see Corbyn deposed as soon as possible.
The £3 rule will stay in place now for the next contest so the far left will again be able to influence the result - unless only one candidate is nominated. That to me seems the only way of replacing Corbyn effectively i.e. not mounting a coup only for him or someone similar to (re)gain the leadership. Could alternate candidates and nominating MPs show that discipline? Possibly: the Tories did in 2003. Is there a potential candidate to unite around? Not many. I don't think it'd be credible for anyone of the Cooper/Burnham generation, never mind someone younger. Harman or Johnson would provide the best opportunity. I know Johnson's ruled himself out of a return to the front line but in a mission to save his party, called on by the great and good? I wouldn't rule it out, though I'd still place Harman ahead of him if setting the odds.
The Star and Crescent is just one of many things that the Muslims copied from the Byzantines, including the use of domes in mosques. Early Mosques had open courtyards.
Portsmouth got it from the Byzantines too, but via King Richard 1st.
To be fair, there is something in what you say. The problem, however, is his history.
I'm close enough to the history to understand it while disagreeing with some of the decisions. JC has always been profoundly sceptical about Western foreign policy, which he thinks has been consistently counter-productive and arrogant. He thinks that we don't understand half the people we fight and it's been part of his role to give them a platform. It hasn't involved supporting them, and amid all the quotes from the last 40 years of his political life - a long time to open up hostages to fortune - I've not seen one that endorsed Hamas, the IRA or anyone else that most of us would have seen as the enemy.
Are the meetings embarrassing now he's got an entirely different role? Probably. Are they especially relevant to whether he'll make a good leader? No. Judge him by what he does now.
Lots of senior Labour MPs finding passionate causes that they want to concentrate on which would sadly get in the way of being able to serve in the Shadow Cabinet.
Then they're bloody idiots because they won't have added to their CVs by the time the next leadership election comes round in 2018 or so. Even Tony Blair of blessed memory made his name in Opposition, not government.
Not sure your logic holds there, old chap. Haven't Labour just elected a leader who has never held a shadow or government post?
Future contenders need to do something in the Shadow Cabinet, not just keep the seats warm: that's the point.
That's not necessarily true. Future contenders can burnish their credential by establishing a leadership-in-exile on the backbenches. As long as they look and sound like leadership material, and outshine the front bench, they should be ok. It would have been the Heseltine route to the Tory leadership had he been able to wait until Thatcher lost the 1991/2 general election.
That said, the front bench still offers the better opportunities as long as the contenders don't become too tainted by looniness.
Hestletine as the Boris of his day? Hugely charismatic and a conference star but in the right place at the wrong time.
I flipped back after flopping for Jeremy last night Nick. Corbyn exudes a refreshingly, folky charm, which you cannot learn and is rather quite appealing. He is actually much more charming and likeable than Michael Foot who he is often compared to.
Many of the pbCOM diehards have only judged Corbyn on his headlines and past affiliations. You of course know him very well which obviously influenced your support.
I'm sure, the more we all get to see of him, the more we'll all get to like him whatever our persuasions.
Well I am really quite pleased with the leadership vote. I turned to Jeremy last night.
And you all should be here- and not for the obvious political reasons. Corbyn is the antithesis of the career spad politician. He has a refreshing simplicity. Just think no more stunts. No more hugging hoodies, or trips to Greenland. No EdStones or trips to Russell Brand. No more opportunistic political cross dressing. No more Osborne or Brownlike scheming. I'm sure that most of you here hate all that spin bullshit as much as I do.
Hopefully Jeremy with his honesty and his authenticity will change politics in the UK for the better and that can only be a very good thing.
Exactly! Was really sorry to be in disagreement with you recently.
The Star and Crescent is just one of many things that the Muslims copied from the Byzantines, including the use of domes in mosques. Early Mosques had open courtyards.
Portsmouth got it from the Byzantines too, but via King Richard 1st.
I seem to remember a case of a construction worker who was captured in a Middle Eastern country by Islamic militants and persuaded them that his Portsmouth FC t-shirt meant that he was a supporter of their cause and persuaded them to let him go.
The £3 rule will stay in place now for the next contest so the far left will again be able to influence the result - unless only one candidate is nominated. That to me seems the only way of replacing Corbyn effectively i.e. not mounting a coup only for him or someone similar to (re)gain the leadership. Could alternate candidates and nominating MPs show that discipline? Possibly: the Tories did in 2003. Is there a potential candidate to unite around? Not many. I don't think it'd be credible for anyone of the Cooper/Burnham generation, never mind someone younger. Harman or Johnson would provide the best opportunity. I know Johnson's ruled himself out of a return to the front line but in a mission to save his party, called on by the great and good? I wouldn't rule it out, though I'd still place Harman ahead of him if setting the odds.
Now it has been exposed, the entryist loophole can be exploited by any faction within the party that can light sufficient fire in supporters' bellies. Why assume it will only ever benefit the far left?
Just received an email from CCHQ 'Labour's new leader is a threat to our national security, our economic security, and your family's security' Mention of Osama, Hezbollah and taxes. Finiahes with 'We can't ever let Labour back into power again'.
I think we can assume the Tories are going all out straight away.
It's their job. Doubtless CCHQ will have prepared attack lines against the others, just in case.
I don't know quite what traction Corbyn's past will have outside the political gimps. At some point the press will tire of it. Clearly Corbyn never even remotely considered holding a responsible post in the party- so it didn't matter.
Now Corbyn is leader- and with a bullet proof mandate- he cannot be removed against his will- let's see how he behaves. Today's speech though was an impressive start.
Take away your prejudice SO and you see will someone who speaks simply and authentically. My wife was particularly impressed, and she's still not got over Tony leaving.
When Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband spoke it was toe curlingly cringeworthy. At the very least, politics aside, Labour has a leader who seems quite normal and speaks like a normal person. And that has got to count for something.
You have to remind yourself that Corbyn won because people are fed up with the careerist, scheming, plotting, spun crowd. This election was a rejection of that culture. And good.
And during his victory speech Corbyn spoke simply and clearly from the heart- there wasn't even a hint of contrivance. Compare and contrast to Osborne and Cameron.
As I said before, Corbyn may well change the tone and nature of our politics. If not, do you really, really think Andy or Yvette were credible leaders for 2020.
You just have to laugh at the mind-boggling stupidity of the Labour party. What other reaction can there be? They voted to entrench the Tories in power for the next decade and cheered themselves hoarse for doing so.
He made a poor speech that when transcribed will be shown not to have made any sense.
Labour's best chance in 2020 was always going to be the Tories messing up. I think any of the other three would have been electable in such circumstances. Corbyn's track record means that he is not.
Labour has as its leader someone who has spent 40 years sharing platforms with a selection of people who hold a range of abhorent views about Jews, homosexuals, women and so on. And he has never once taken the opportunity to unequivocally condemn them. He chairs an organisation that believes killing British soldiers is acceptable.
You will very soon discover what traction his record has.
Corbyn's record is exemplary, he's been ahead of consensus, sea-green incorruptible and right.
That is not what you posted in Tunisia when Corbyn's Jihadists turned-up. Maybe you are just a joke, hey...?
As a matter of interest did Jezzallahakbar make any comment on the Tunisian massacre? Clearly it was all the fault of British imperialists getting their commuppance?
To be fair, there is something in what you say. The problem, however, is his history.
I'm close enough to the history to understand it while disagreeing with some of the decisions. JC has always been profoundly sceptical about Western foreign policy, which he thinks has been consistently counter-productive and arrogant. He thinks that we don't understand half the people we fight and it's been part of his role to give them a platform. It hasn't involved supporting them, and amid all the quotes from the last 40 years of his political life - a long time to open up hostages to fortune - I've not seen one that endorsed Hamas, the IRA or anyone else that most of us would have seen as the enemy.
Are the meetings embarrassing now he's got an entirely different role? Probably. Are they especially relevant to whether he'll make a good leader? No. Judge him by what he does now.
That would be quite a good apologia if only it covered a proportion of similar approaches to the consistently other side in those arguments.
As it is, I personally will take some convincing.
Mr Corbyn needs to start building a track record of support for some of this country's traditional friends and interests if he wants my vote.
The £3 rule will stay in place now for the next contest so the far left will again be able to influence the result - unless only one candidate is nominated. That to me seems the only way of replacing Corbyn effectively i.e. not mounting a coup only for him or someone similar to (re)gain the leadership. Could alternate candidates and nominating MPs show that discipline? Possibly: the Tories did in 2003. Is there a potential candidate to unite around? Not many. I don't think it'd be credible for anyone of the Cooper/Burnham generation, never mind someone younger. Harman or Johnson would provide the best opportunity. I know Johnson's ruled himself out of a return to the front line but in a mission to save his party, called on by the great and good? I wouldn't rule it out, though I'd still place Harman ahead of him if setting the odds.
Now it has been exposed, the entryist loophole can be exploited by any faction within the party that can light sufficient fire in supporters' bellies. Why assume it will only ever benefit the far left?
Or outside the party. I wonder whether we will ever know how many Tory £3ers voted.
To be fair, there is something in what you say. The problem, however, is his history.
I'm close enough to the history to understand it while disagreeing with some of the decisions. JC has always been profoundly sceptical about Western foreign policy, which he thinks has been consistently counter-productive and arrogant. He thinks that we don't understand half the people we fight and it's been part of his role to give them a platform. I
I wonder if he's ever made the effort to understand the Tory Party and Tory voters?
'Corbyn is the antithesis of the career spad politician. He has a refreshing simplicity. Just think no more stunts. No more hugging hoodies, or trips to Greenland. No EdStones or trips to Russell Brand.'
Just failed Marxist policies and sucking up to terrorists instead, brilliant .
So... if we assume for the moment that Corbyn is unelectable...where do we see Labour's vote % at the GE and where will all the votes go to if it is down to 20%?
'Corbyn is the antithesis of the career spad politician. He has a refreshing simplicity. Just think no more stunts. No more hugging hoodies, or trips to Greenland. No EdStones or trips to Russell Brand.'
Just failed Marxist policies and sucking up to terrorists instead, brilliant .
I think the idea there will be no more stunts is overly optimistic. There will just be different stunts. He may well be authentic and simple, but how his authenticity and simpleness will be presented is still a brand thing.
A pleasant day to all. Corbyn will probably surprise some, but his fundamental positions still seem too much to make up for those he will put off, I suspect. We shall see.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 3h3 hours ago Next LAB leader betting from Hills 3/1 Umunna 7/2Jarvis 5/1 Watson 7/1 D Miliband 8/1 Hunt; 12/1 Cooper & Reeves
Umunna auditioning for the role of Liz Kendall. It won't be any who got humiliated in this leadership election, so that's Umunna, Hunt, Cooper, Reeves, Burnham and the shadow cabinet resigners out.
The £3 rule will stay in place now for the next contest so the far left will again be able to influence the result - unless only one candidate is nominated. That to me seems the only way of replacing Corbyn effectively i.e. not mounting a coup only for him or someone similar to (re)gain the leadership. Could alternate candidates and nominating MPs show that discipline? Possibly: the Tories did in 2003. Is there a potential candidate to unite around? Not many. I don't think it'd be credible for anyone of the Cooper/Burnham generation, never mind someone younger. Harman or Johnson would provide the best opportunity. I know Johnson's ruled himself out of a return to the front line but in a mission to save his party, called on by the great and good? I wouldn't rule it out, though I'd still place Harman ahead of him if setting the odds.
Difficult, as I thought the existing leader was allowed to enter the contest without getting any nominations should a challenge be made and they wanted to stand.
Twitter Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 50m50 minutes ago Just spoken to Jeremy Corbyn. He's confirmed he intends to have other Labour MPs take his role at some sessions of PMQs
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 43m43 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs: "David Cameron enjoys a bit of repartee but it's going to be one-way"
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 41m41 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs "We should share it out a bit. I've been in touch with the speaker's office to ask about this."
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 28m28 minutes ago Corbyn quotes a friend: "the best leaders those that assume the position with reluctance because they do it best."
So Corbyn is going to pass on the only regularly scheduled opportunity he has to hold the government to account; the one weekly chance to ask the PM anything and he doesn't want to do it?
How can he seriously call himself the Leader of the Opposition if he can't be bothered to oppose the government?
Well done to Corbyn, his supporters and those who backed him, you haven't had much to cheer about for a while so enjoy yourselves.
The most sanctimonious phrase ever is "I told you so", in a few months time I'm afraid you lot are going to have to get used to that. You've got what you wanted, it will end in tears for you.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 3h3 hours ago Next LAB leader betting from Hills 3/1 Umunna 7/2Jarvis 5/1 Watson 7/1 D Miliband 8/1 Hunt; 12/1 Cooper & Reeves
Umunna auditioning for the role of Liz Kendall. It won't be any who got humiliated in this leadership election, so that's Umunna, Hunt, Cooper, Reeves, Burnham and the shadow cabinet resigners out.
The next Labour leader will need to accept the anti-austerity positioning that the party electorate expect. None of those names look like value.
'Corbyn is the antithesis of the career spad politician. He has a refreshing simplicity. Just think no more stunts. No more hugging hoodies, or trips to Greenland. No EdStones or trips to Russell Brand.'
Just failed Marxist policies and sucking up to terrorists instead, brilliant .
I think the idea there will be no more stunts is overly optimistic. There will just be different stunts. He may well be authentic and simple, but how his authenticity and simpleness will be presented is still a brand thing.
A pleasant day to all. Corbyn will probably surprise some, but his fundamental positions still seem too much to make up for those he will put off, I suspect. We shall see.
And, if US politics are anything to go by, it matters less who Corbyn is and more how he is framed to be.
So far, he may have won that battle within the Labour Selectorate, but he is losing it badly in the media. It will be interesting to see the first opinion polls to see which of those two is having the greater effect on framing who Corbyn is with the electorate.
Funny, I was thinking of 2010. I was absolutely gutted about David losing and thought Labour had made a terrible mistake in electing Ed who was clearly not credible.
Today, I think at the end I wanted Yvette to win, but I am not upset by Corbyn's victory and look forward to see how things progress.
Twitter Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 50m50 minutes ago Just spoken to Jeremy Corbyn. He's confirmed he intends to have other Labour MPs take his role at some sessions of PMQs
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 43m43 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs: "David Cameron enjoys a bit of repartee but it's going to be one-way"
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 41m41 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs "We should share it out a bit. I've been in touch with the speaker's office to ask about this."
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 28m28 minutes ago Corbyn quotes a friend: "the best leaders those that assume the position with reluctance because they do it best."
So Corbyn is going to pass on the only regularly scheduled opportunity he has to hold the government to account; the one weekly chance to ask the PM anything and he doesn't want to do it?
How can he seriously call himself the Leader of the Opposition if he can't be bothered to oppose the government?
He's more comfortable opposing the government in votes and in rallies, fits with his style of irregular warfare, also that means that Cameron will have to prepare to deal with dozens of different shadow ministers, each with a distinctive style and quality.
Twitter Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 50m50 minutes ago Just spoken to Jeremy Corbyn. He's confirmed he intends to have other Labour MPs take his role at some sessions of PMQs
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 43m43 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs: "David Cameron enjoys a bit of repartee but it's going to be one-way"
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 41m41 minutes ago Corbyn on PMQs "We should share it out a bit. I've been in touch with the speaker's office to ask about this."
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 28m28 minutes ago Corbyn quotes a friend: "the best leaders those that assume the position with reluctance because they do it best."
So Corbyn is going to pass on the only regularly scheduled opportunity he has to hold the government to account; the one weekly chance to ask the PM anything and he doesn't want to do it?
How can he seriously call himself the Leader of the Opposition if he can't be bothered to oppose the government?
He's more comfortable opposing the government in votes and in rallies, fits with his style of irregular warfare, also that means that Cameron will have to prepare to deal with dozens of different shadow ministers, each with a distinctive style and quality.
I doubt the Speaker will allow it. And anyway, if the LOTO can appoint anyone to act on his behalf, there's nothing stopping Cameron doing the same.
Jezza down the boozer with his chums, leading a tuneless rendition of The Red Flag....
I'm a tee-totaller and I've been to many pubs including, as you know, PB meets
He isn't actually a teetotaller - more like me, drinks a glass now and then to be sociable but has never really got a taste for it. Not sure he shares my liking for Coca-Cola though, imperialist brew that it is :-)
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And so it begins.......
Round millions for the cash and hundreds of thousands will be close enough for the people.
"FWIW Tim Farron is at the #refugeeswelcome rally today."
Thanks for that. I didn't consider the Lib Dems because as Jonathan noted earlier they still show no signs of having a pulse so are presumed dead.
(But you're the doc so will be advised)
You really couldn’t make it up.
Maybe, worried about finding enough people to fill the posts, he'll emulate what they've done in Scotland and cause mass confusion by creating new posts shadowing different elements of different departments?
That is not what you posted in Tunisia when Corbyn's Jihadists turned-up. Maybe you are just a joke, hey...?
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 50m50 minutes ago
Just spoken to Jeremy Corbyn. He's confirmed he intends to have other Labour MPs take his role at some sessions of PMQs
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 43m43 minutes ago
Corbyn on PMQs: "David Cameron enjoys a bit of repartee but it's going to be one-way"
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 41m41 minutes ago
Corbyn on PMQs "We should share it out a bit. I've been in touch with the speaker's office to ask about this."
Greg Dawson @Gregstweet 28m28 minutes ago
Corbyn quotes a friend: "the best leaders those that assume the position with reluctance because they do it best."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3231825/It-s-f-ing-disaster-Utter-dismay-senior-Labour-MPs-face-reality-led-Corbyn.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_for_Portsmouth
Well, Corbyn's idea of "People's QE" idea comes from his economic adviser Richard Murphy, a strong adherent of MMT. Astonishing, and a name to watch out for more from in the near future.
I didn't think such fringe economic ideas would take over the Labour front-bench because I had expected the likes of Ed Balls to stand in the way of it. But you live and learn.
Now Corbyn is leader- and with a bullet proof mandate- he cannot be removed against his will- let's see how he behaves. Today's speech though was an impressive start.
Sorry for spoiling all those waiting for MoD to watch the matches but I couldn't resist
Very wise.
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/business/local-business/fallon-to-be-unveiled-as-minister-for-portsmouth-1-5811216
"Portsmouth is to get its own minister charged with dealing with the fall-out from the planned closure of the city’s shipbuilding yard and the loss of more than 900 jobs."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-25753398
"Michael Fallon has been named Minister for Portsmouth to help the city recover from the loss of shipbuilding."
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/essex-mp-mark-francois-appointed-minister-for-portsmouth-1-6743792
"FORMER armed forces minister Mark Francois has been appointed the new minister for Portsmouth, The News can reveal."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28303854
"Matthew Hancock (moved)
Gets more senior role in business department and takes on role of energy minister.
The MP, who is a close ally of Chancellor George Osborne, is taking on Michael Fallon's old portfolio of jobs as minister of state for energy, business and Portsmouth."
Not a spoof.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/12/09/2B5E91EB00000578-3230999-image-m-21_1442047398185.jpg
I think we can assume the Tories are going all out straight away.
Now, Southam, let's have a chat... :-)
Probably.
Corking idea.
The £3 rule will stay in place now for the next contest so the far left will again be able to influence the result - unless only one candidate is nominated. That to me seems the only way of replacing Corbyn effectively i.e. not mounting a coup only for him or someone similar to (re)gain the leadership. Could alternate candidates and nominating MPs show that discipline? Possibly: the Tories did in 2003. Is there a potential candidate to unite around? Not many. I don't think it'd be credible for anyone of the Cooper/Burnham generation, never mind someone younger. Harman or Johnson would provide the best opportunity. I know Johnson's ruled himself out of a return to the front line but in a mission to save his party, called on by the great and good? I wouldn't rule it out, though I'd still place Harman ahead of him if setting the odds.
Snigger
Portsmouth got it from the Byzantines too, but via King Richard 1st.
http://www.welcometoportsmouth.co.uk/star and cresent.html
Corbyn scored 49.59% of member's votes, versus 83.76% of £3 entryists.
Are the meetings embarrassing now he's got an entirely different role? Probably. Are they especially relevant to whether he'll make a good leader? No. Judge him by what he does now.
Many of the pbCOM diehards have only judged Corbyn on his headlines and past affiliations. You of course know him very well which obviously influenced your support.
I'm sure, the more we all get to see of him, the more we'll all get to like him whatever our persuasions.
How did that play out?
Edit.. Thanks.
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/is-islamic-state-massacre-of-uk-holidaymakers-in-tunisia-only-the-beginning
In brief: no sympathy for the victims, and it was our governments fault for provoking IS.
Jezza blamed Austerity. Yes really!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/588753/Tunisia-terror-attack-Labour-Jeremy-Corbyn-Islamic-State-ISIS-Question-Time
Feeling happy about JC still BJO?
As it is, I personally will take some convincing.
Mr Corbyn needs to start building a track record of support for some of this country's traditional friends and interests if he wants my vote.
http://news.sky.com/story/1551300/live-updates-jeremy-corbyn-sings-in-pub
'Corbyn is the antithesis of the career spad politician. He has a refreshing simplicity. Just think no more stunts. No more hugging hoodies, or trips to Greenland. No EdStones or trips to Russell Brand.'
Just failed Marxist policies and sucking up to terrorists instead, brilliant .
Still, it was never so bad I had to sing the Red Flag!!
Lord Thumper of Kingston upon Hull.
Remember hearing Ed Miliband won on the radio back in 2010 and thinking to myself that 2015 was lost.
Right now, not sure what to think apart from it's going to be an interesting time ahead.
https://m.oddschecker.com/t/politics/british-politics#politics-british-politics-next-labour-leader
A pleasant day to all. Corbyn will probably surprise some, but his fundamental positions still seem too much to make up for those he will put off, I suspect. We shall see.
Next LAB leader betting from Hills
3/1 Umunna
7/2Jarvis
5/1 Watson
7/1 D Miliband
8/1 Hunt;
12/1 Cooper & Reeves
Umunna auditioning for the role of Liz Kendall.
It won't be any who got humiliated in this leadership election, so that's Umunna, Hunt, Cooper, Reeves, Burnham and the shadow cabinet resigners out.
How can he seriously call himself the Leader of the Opposition if he can't be bothered to oppose the government?
The most sanctimonious phrase ever is "I told you so", in a few months time I'm afraid you lot are going to have to get used to that. You've got what you wanted, it will end in tears for you.
So far, he may have won that battle within the Labour Selectorate, but he is losing it badly in the media. It will be interesting to see the first opinion polls to see which of those two is having the greater effect on framing who Corbyn is with the electorate.
Today, I think at the end I wanted Yvette to win, but I am not upset by Corbyn's victory and look forward to see how things progress.
...and that's just what is left of the Shadow Cabinet..
This is very much the New Labour version: For the nostalgic: And a special song for the 95.5% on the dawn that Blairism died: