The problem is that Cameron's sensible and compassionate stance all this will all be for nought if we don't get restrictions on free movement in the EU. If Germany takes 800,000, then a six figure sum will move to the UK once they get EU passports.
Extremely unlikely. How many Turks have obtained German nationality and then used that to come to the UK?
Exactly. If you're in Germany, why are you then going to go and up sticks to the UK? People in countries which can offer a high standard of living aren't going to come here.
Which is a fair point per se. However, this whole mess is driving me in a " leave " direction come 2017, given I don't fancy being beholden to the frankly nuts decision making of European leaders. This week has moved me from "neutral" to " leaning leave"
I notice lefties are whipping themselves up into an indignant frenzy over this migrant thing...
Is this still all a reflection of their trauma at losing the election?
Yeah it's only the lefties doing that.
The Sun, and even the likes of the Times, and Mail have expressed sympathy with the refugees - with The Sun even calling for us to welcome refugees here in it's editorial some days ago.
People from wide spectrum want us to do something, and feel that we should.
I notice lefties are whipping themselves up into an indignant frenzy over this migrant thing...
Is this still all a reflection of their trauma at losing the election?
Yeah it's only the lefties doing that.
The Sun, and even the likes of the Times, and Mail have expressed sympathy with the refugees - with The Sun even calling for us to welcome refugees here in it's editorial some days ago.
People from wide spectrum want us to do something, and feel that we should.
Well my view of the British press (left and right) is that they are all basically as mad as each other so nothing would surprise me...
The worst thing a government can do, is bow to the "something must be done" brigade.
Policy (especially important policy like this) needs to be made in calm and reasonable moments of reflection not while Bob Geldof, Paul Dacre and Polly Toynbee are all joining together to scream from the sidelines.
If the West is going to evacuate a large proportion of the population of the Syria the only sensible way to do it is to spread them fairly evenly over at least 50 countries, including the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, etc. Having them concentrated in Germany, Sweden and Austria will be disastrous.
Too late. They're all waving posters of Merkel. She's sowed the wind.
I have been told by ONE other poster, TimT, (who is probably your identical twin brother) and I do find it amusing that whenever the facts get in the way of your argument you patronisingly dismiss it as my 'lack of knowledge of the US political scene'.
Actually we're not related - though we do know each other - and we live 500 miles apart.
OK, let's untangle this mangled nonsense paragraph, and discuss some 'facts'.
Then there's the money. Until Clinton falters she has the money men, and she is clearly the party's favored candidate. If she doesn't falter soon, Biden is not going to run. Remember he's run and not done well twice. But if it looks like her campaign is imploding then he may well.
Warren has said time and again she is not running. I don't think she has any groundwork done at all, so it's probably too late for her to run. A veep nomination at the convention could be possible though.
Here's a homework assignment for you - which is the state with the earliest filing deadline
November is still 2 months away (Arkansas being the first filing state), Biden has won twice before and as a result already has the basis of a campaign infrastructure in place in states across the US. 29 states have filing dates for Democratic primaries in 2016, 15 in 2015 http://ballotpedia.org/Important_dates_in_the_2016_presidential_race. Even if Clinton stayed in until the Convention if she was forced to withdraw before her nomination was confirmed because of some new development Biden could still get the nomination If Clinton were ever to start trailing the GOP while Biden kept his lead over the GOP, the money men and establishment support would switch to Biden in a heartbeat. Warren has said she is not running but that does not mean she could not accept a VP spot and she has already met Biden behind the scenes to discuss a scenario with Biden announcing he serves only 1 term and then hands over to Biden.
Even if Biden waited until after the Iowa Caucuses to see if Hillary was given a bloody nose by Sanders and did not file for his first state until early February 2016, he could still enter 16 primaries, including big states like Pennsylvania and New York, Indiana, New Jersey and California as well as the remaining caucuses which do not require filing
If the West is going to evacuate a large proportion of the population of the Syria the only sensible way to do it is to spread them fairly evenly over at least 50 countries, including the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, etc. Having them concentrated in Germany, Sweden and Austria will be disastrous.
Too late. They're all waving posters of Merkel. She's sowed the wind.
The problem is that Cameron's sensible and compassionate stance all this will all be for nought if we don't get restrictions on free movement in the EU. If Germany takes 800,000, then a six figure sum will move to the UK once they get EU passports.
Extremely unlikely. How many Turks have obtained German nationality and then used that to come to the UK?
Exactly. If you're in Germany, why are you then going to go and up sticks to the UK? People in countries which can offer a high standard of living aren't going to come here.
One reason is language and the fact that finding work is easier in the UK.
I've been out of the country for a few days and have only been watching this from the sidelines but it's appeared that the Twitterarti/media and Labour Party have basically been blaming Cameron personally for the tragic death of a child in the Med?
The fundamental truth about Hillary is fairly simple.
She will incur ongoing damage until the last Friday in January from the email scandal. How much remains to be seen.
Unless the FBI indicts, at present - short of an October surprise - it looks like she will stagger across the finish line and win the nomination.
How damaged that leaves her in the general election is unknown.
If the FBI indicts she is gone. The timing of such an indictment could make for fascinating political theater. What if they indict after the convention? That timing seems unlikely though.
I've been out of the country for a few days and have only been watching this from the sidelines but it's appeared that the Twitterarti/media and Labour Party have basically been blaming Cameron personally for the tragic death of a child in the Med?
Did the UK jump the shark this week?
The odd thing is there were images of Yazidi families stuck on top of a mountain surrounded by ISIS fighters a few months ago but it didn't seem to strike much of chord with the public compared to the recent photos.
The fundamental truth about Hillary is fairly simple.
She will incur ongoing damage until the last Friday in January from the email scandal. How much remains to be seen.
Unless the FBI indicts, at present - short of an October surprise - it looks like she will stagger across the finish line and win the nomination.
How damaged that leaves her in the general election is unknown.
If the FBI indicts she is gone. The timing of such an indictment could make for fascinating political theater. What if they indict after the convention? That timing seems unlikely though.
I've been out of the country for a few days and have only been watching this from the sidelines but it's appeared that the Twitterarti/media and Labour Party have basically been blaming Cameron personally for the tragic death of a child in the Med?
Did the UK jump the shark this week?
The odd thing is there were images of Yazidi families stuck on top of a mountain surrounded by ISIS fighters a few months ago but it didn't seem to strike much of chord with the public.
By "the public" who are we talking about extactly?
Since the general election, when supposedly the entire nation was going to vote for Ed Miliband, I remain very, very unmoved by 99% of the nonsense that apparently makes up "public opinion"...
If the West is going to evacuate a large proportion of the population of the Syria the only sensible way to do it is to spread them fairly evenly over at least 50 countries, including the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, etc. Having them concentrated in Germany, Sweden and Austria will be disastrous.
Too late. They're all waving posters of Merkel. She's sowed the wind.
The problem is that Cameron's sensible and compassionate stance all this will all be for nought if we don't get restrictions on free movement in the EU. If Germany takes 800,000, then a six figure sum will move to the UK once they get EU passports.
Extremely unlikely. How many Turks have obtained German nationality and then used that to come to the UK?
Exactly. If you're in Germany, why are you then going to go and up sticks to the UK? People in countries which can offer a high standard of living aren't going to come here.
One reason is language and the fact that finding work is easier in the UK.
I'm sure I saw or heard this today that some refugees are calling merkel,'Mama merkel'
+++ EXCLUSIVE: REFUGEES - EU PLANS NEW FORCE TO POLICE ITS BORDERS. Tomorrow's @Independent front page +++ pic.twitter.com/RhyzIXV2x3
Laughable.
Whilst the EU fails at most things it attempts, you can always depend on them to take advantage of a bad situation and snatch more powers from member countries.
I have just watched the Sky interview where a relative of Aylan Kurdi explained that he didn't just want any old teeth, he wanted dental implants. A relative had to pay privately for dental implants at a cost of £3,000 per tooth. There were significantly cheaper options available. I think most people make do with dentures. You have to wonder where the migrants are getting these ideas that Europe is the land of milk and honey from.
Should have gone to Slovakia. Superb treatment, at only £891 a peg...
Oops, does that make me an economic migrant? (^_-)
If you neeeded 5 implants was there an underlying medical condition? If so you can get all the implants you need on the NHS for free.
I've been out of the country for a few days and have only been watching this from the sidelines but it's appeared that the Twitterarti/media and Labour Party have basically been blaming Cameron personally for the tragic death of a child in the Med?
Did the UK jump the shark this week?
The odd thing is there were images of Yazidi families stuck on top of a mountain surrounded by ISIS fighters a few months ago but it didn't seem to strike much of chord with the public compared to the recent photos.
There was big public support for bombing ISIS, there has been no polling following the recent refugees plight
I notice lefties are whipping themselves up into an indignant frenzy over this migrant thing...
Is this still all a reflection of their trauma at losing the election?
Yeah it's only the lefties doing that.
The Sun, and even the likes of the Times, and Mail have expressed sympathy with the refugees - with The Sun even calling for us to welcome refugees here in it's editorial some days ago.
People from wide spectrum want us to do something, and feel that we should.
I notice lefties are whipping themselves up into an indignant frenzy over this migrant thing...
Is this still all a reflection of their trauma at losing the election?
Yeah it's only the lefties doing that.
The Sun, and even the likes of the Times, and Mail have expressed sympathy with the refugees - with The Sun even calling for us to welcome refugees here in it's editorial some days ago.
People from wide spectrum want us to do something, and feel that we should.
Well my view of the British press (left and right) is that they are all basically as mad as each other so nothing would surprise me...
The worst thing a government can do, is bow to the "something must be done" brigade.
Policy (especially important policy like this) needs to be made in calm and reasonable moments of reflection not while Bob Geldof, Paul Dacre and Polly Toynbee are all joining together to scream from the sidelines.
This sort of rational decision making is a thing of the past and unlikely to be seen again in the UK.
The fundamental truth about Hillary is fairly simple.
She will incur ongoing damage until the last Friday in January from the email scandal. How much remains to be seen.
Unless the FBI indicts, at present - short of an October surprise - it looks like she will stagger across the finish line and win the nomination.
How damaged that leaves her in the general election is unknown.
If the FBI indicts she is gone. The timing of such an indictment could make for fascinating political theater. What if they indict after the convention? That timing seems unlikely though.
Do you think Trump becoming POTUS is possible?
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.
The fundamental truth about Hillary is fairly simple.
She will incur ongoing damage until the last Friday in January from the email scandal. How much remains to be seen.
Unless the FBI indicts, at present - short of an October surprise - it looks like she will stagger across the finish line and win the nomination.
How damaged that leaves her in the general election is unknown.
If the FBI indicts she is gone. The timing of such an indictment could make for fascinating political theater. What if they indict after the convention? That timing seems unlikely though.
Do you think Trump becoming POTUS is possible?
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.
Is that a line out of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? I seem to recognise it.
Just on the news. Remember yesterday the IT techie from State who set up Hillary's server and told congressional committees that if they made him testify he would take the fifth?
He's taking the fifth with the FBI too.
It's stuff like this that really hurts her.
The endgame will likely be that he's is offered complete immunity and then he can be forced to testify, but that's a while away.
The fundamental truth about Hillary is fairly simple.
She will incur ongoing damage until the last Friday in January from the email scandal. How much remains to be seen.
Unless the FBI indicts, at present - short of an October surprise - it looks like she will stagger across the finish line and win the nomination.
How damaged that leaves her in the general election is unknown.
If the FBI indicts she is gone. The timing of such an indictment could make for fascinating political theater. What if they indict after the convention? That timing seems unlikely though.
Do you think Trump becoming POTUS is possible?
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.
Is that a line out of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? I seem to recognise it.
RE the sixth form thing. It doesn't take that much of a leap to think that fifth form is one below sixth, and fourth is two below.
Sure, it's obvious when you lay it out like that, but when never heard used as an analogy before, certainly my brain never made the leap. Why use Fourth form as an example? Is that a common age for naivete? Ten years since my sixth form days, and fourth form wasn't used then either.
It's a tiny thing, and I feel stupid for not getting it too, but I do think it's reasonable.
Fourth form is the top year in the junior school (not that you would know, as your head isn't as stuffed with useless trivia as mine) - he was being both condescending and patronising in a single economic phrase
@JEO When you're a bit overwhelmed, sometimes it's difficult to notice the reasonable ones. Only you, @Disraeli (although I don't know if he sees himself as right-wing), @another_richard (and I'm unaware he identifies as a right winger), @kle4 (I think he's a centrist though he can confirm whether I'm right/wrong) @MattW were okay.
+++ EXCLUSIVE: REFUGEES - EU PLANS NEW FORCE TO POLICE ITS BORDERS. Tomorrow's @Independent front page +++ pic.twitter.com/RhyzIXV2x3
Laughable.
Whilst the EU fails at most things it attempts, you can always depend on them to take advantage of a bad situation and snatch more powers from member countries.
I have just watched the Sky interview where a relative of Aylan Kurdi explained that he didn't just want any old teeth, he wanted dental implants. A relative had to pay privately for dental implants at a cost of £3,000 per tooth. There were significantly cheaper options available. I think most people make do with dentures. You have to wonder where the migrants are getting these ideas that Europe is the land of milk and honey from.
Should have gone to Slovakia. Superb treatment, at only £891 a peg...
Oops, does that make me an economic migrant? (^_-)
If you neeeded 5 implants was there an underlying medical condition? If so you can get all the implants you need on the NHS for free.
The "underlying medical condition" was dentalphobia for two decades...
(^_-)
Btw Algisorb bone graft Ankylos Implants Emax Crowns
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.'
Trump has just as many skeletons as Hillary, if not more
Just on the news. Remember yesterday the IT techie from State who set up Hillary's server and told congressional committees that if they made him testify he would take the fifth?
He's taking the fifth with the FBI too.
It's stuff like this that really hurts her.
The endgame will likely be that he's is offered complete immunity and then he can be forced to testify, but that's a while away.
Taking the fifth just means not saying anything, I think...
RE the sixth form thing. It doesn't take that much of a leap to think that fifth form is one below sixth, and fourth is two below.
Sure, it's obvious when you lay it out like that, but when never heard used as an analogy before, certainly my brain never made the leap. Why use Fourth form as an example? Is that a common age for naivete? Ten years since my sixth form days, and fourth form wasn't used then either.
It's a tiny thing, and I feel stupid for not getting it too, but I do think it's reasonable.
Fourth form is the top year in the junior school (not that you would know, as your head isn't as stuffed with useless trivia as mine) - he was being both condescending and patronising in a single economic phrase
When I was at school in the 60s, junior school went from 5th form to 1st form, and senior school went from 3rd form to second year 6th (not forgetting Remove of course).
@JEO When you're a bit overwhelmed, sometimes it's difficult to notice the reasonable ones. Only you, @Disraeli (although I don't know if he sees himself as right-wing), @another_richard (and I'm unaware he identifies as a right winger), @kle4 (I think he's a centrist though he can confirm whether I'm right/wrong) @MattW were okay.
Oi!
I didn't mention you because you weren't involved in the car crash going on in the last thread
I note the BBC correspondent said Cameron was "found himself behind the curve of public opinion" on the migration crisis. Really? Is there any evidence for this, other than the very left wing Twitter?
I posted a comment earlier today that I don't think there've been any scientific opinion polls confirming that public opinion has moved in any direction.
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.'
Trump has just as many skeletons as Hillary, if not more
If the West is going to evacuate a large proportion of the population of the Syria the only sensible way to do it is to spread them fairly evenly over at least 50 countries, including the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, etc. Having them concentrated in Germany, Sweden and Austria will be disastrous.
Too late. They're all waving posters of Merkel. She's sowed the wind.
The problem is that Cameron's sensible and compassionate stance all this will all be for nought if we don't get restrictions on free movement in the EU. If Germany takes 800,000, then a six figure sum will move to the UK once they get EU passports.
Extremely unlikely. How many Turks have obtained German nationality and then used that to come to the UK?
Exactly. If you're in Germany, why are you then going to go and up sticks to the UK? People in countries which can offer a high standard of living aren't going to come here.
One reason is language and the fact that finding work is easier in the UK.
I'm sure they'll learn the language in Germany. I also don't see why at some point they wouldn't gain employment, especially considering the refugee projects they are creating there.
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.'
Trump has just as many skeletons as Hillary, if not more
Skeletons probably, scandals no.
Given the nature of his business interests and his love life there is a whole cavern full of material
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.'
Trump has just as many skeletons as Hillary, if not more
Skeletons probably, scandals no.
Given the nature of his business interests and his love life there is a whole cavern full of material
Those are skeletons, not scandals. I'm sure there are plenty.
If the West is going to evacuate a large proportion of the population of the Syria the only sensible way to do it is to spread them fairly evenly over at least 50 countries, including the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, etc. Having them concentrated in Germany, Sweden and Austria will be disastrous.
Too late. They're all waving posters of Merkel. She's sowed the wind.
The problem is that Cameron's sensible and compassionate stance all this will all be for nought if we don't get restrictions on free movement in the EU. If Germany takes 800,000, then a six figure sum will move to the UK once they get EU passports.
Extremely unlikely. How many Turks have obtained German nationality and then used that to come to the UK?
Exactly. If you're in Germany, why are you then going to go and up sticks to the UK? People in countries which can offer a high standard of living aren't going to come here.
One reason is language and the fact that finding work is easier in the UK.
I'm sure they'll learn the language in Germany. I also don't see why at some point they wouldn't gain employment, especially considering the refugee projects they are creating there.
Just on the news. Remember yesterday the IT techie from State who set up Hillary's server and told congressional committees that if they made him testify he would take the fifth?
He's taking the fifth with the FBI too.
It's stuff like this that really hurts her.
The endgame will likely be that he's is offered complete immunity and then he can be forced to testify, but that's a while away.
Taking the fifth just means not saying anything, I think...
Can it be taken into account by a jury?
Boiled down it means to refuse to answer a question on the grounds that it might incriminate oneself.
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.'
Trump has just as many skeletons as Hillary, if not more
Does Trump have 'coat-tails' in the sense that will GOP candidates in 2016 for House and Senate be keen to have him campaign alongside them?
@JEO When you're a bit overwhelmed, sometimes it's difficult to notice the reasonable ones. Only you, @Disraeli (although I don't know if he sees himself as right-wing), @another_richard (and I'm unaware he identifies as a right winger), @kle4 (I think he's a centrist though he can confirm whether I'm right/wrong) @MattW were okay.
Oi!
I didn't mention you because you weren't involved in the car crash going on in the last thread
I've been hanging out in NYC today. Off to my fourth meal with friends...
RE the sixth form thing. It doesn't take that much of a leap to think that fifth form is one below sixth, and fourth is two below.
Sure, it's obvious when you lay it out like that, but when never heard used as an analogy before, certainly my brain never made the leap. Why use Fourth form as an example? Is that a common age for naivete? Ten years since my sixth form days, and fourth form wasn't used then either.
It's a tiny thing, and I feel stupid for not getting it too, but I do think it's reasonable.
Fourth form is the top year in the junior school (not that you would know, as your head isn't as stuffed with useless trivia as mine) - he was being both condescending and patronising in a single economic phrase
When I was at school in the 60s, junior school went from 5th form to 1st form, and senior school went from 3rd form to second year 6th (not forgetting Remove of course).
Whereas mine went from F block to B block.
The Sixth Form Select (the beak-selected element of the oligarchy that governed the School**) were drawn from C Block primarily
** this comprised Society (elected by the boys), Select (elected by the Beaks), the Captain of School, the Captain of Boats and the Ninth Man.
+++ EXCLUSIVE: REFUGEES - EU PLANS NEW FORCE TO POLICE ITS BORDERS. Tomorrow's @Independent front page +++ pic.twitter.com/RhyzIXV2x3
Laughable.
Whilst the EU fails at most things it attempts, you can always depend on them to take advantage of a bad situation and snatch more powers from member countries.
I have just watched the Sky interview where a relative of Aylan Kurdi explained that he didn't just want any old teeth, he wanted dental implants. A relative had to pay privately for dental implants at a cost of £3,000 per tooth. There were significantly cheaper options available. I think most people make do with dentures. You have to wonder where the migrants are getting these ideas that Europe is the land of milk and honey from.
Should have gone to Slovakia. Superb treatment, at only £891 a peg...
Oops, does that make me an economic migrant? (^_-)
If you neeeded 5 implants was there an underlying medical condition? If so you can get all the implants you need on the NHS for free.
The "underlying medical condition" was dentalphobia for two decades...
(^_-)
Btw Algisorb bone graft Ankylos Implants Emax Crowns
The one thing that keeps me going to the dentist is the though of having dental implants. The thought sends shivers down my spine.. ugh!!
The fundamental truth about Hillary is fairly simple.
She will incur ongoing damage until the last Friday in January from the email scandal. How much remains to be seen.
Unless the FBI indicts, at present - short of an October surprise - it looks like she will stagger across the finish line and win the nomination.
How damaged that leaves her in the general election is unknown.
If the FBI indicts she is gone. The timing of such an indictment could make for fascinating political theater. What if they indict after the convention? That timing seems unlikely though.
Do you think Trump becoming POTUS is possible?
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.
Is that a line out of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? I seem to recognise it.
"The mere thought," growled Mr. Prosser, "hadn't even begun to speculate," he continued, settling himself back, "about the merest possibility of crossing my mind."
'It is to be deeply hoped that when Germany and France present their fait accompli on sharing out migrants the rest of Europe roundly tells them to eff off and some sense might begin to prevail. Sadly I'm not holding my breath.'
Maybe Merkel can persuade France to take some of the Syrians, they have managed 500 so far.
FWIW, I think Burnham has been more successful than suggested here in attracting Corbyn voters, because he's been much less clearly distinct from Corbyn. That will have won over some who were nervous of the popular response to a Corbyn win: there's a view that he offers a compromise by being rather more left without going all the way, which is the usual stance that Labour leaders initially take, Tony being the sole exception since Gaitskell. However, that group will nearly all be either Burnham 1 Corbyn 2 or vice versa, which won't help Cooper over the line.
RE the sixth form thing. It doesn't take that much of a leap to think that fifth form is one below sixth, and fourth is two below.
Sure, it's obvious when you lay it out like that, but when never heard used as an analogy before, certainly my brain never made the leap. Why use Fourth form as an example? Is that a common age for naivete? Ten years since my sixth form days, and fourth form wasn't used then either.
It's a tiny thing, and I feel stupid for not getting it too, but I do think it's reasonable.
Fourth form is the top year in the junior school (not that you would know, as your head isn't as stuffed with useless trivia as mine) - he was being both condescending and patronising in a single economic phrase
When I was at school in the 60s, junior school went from 5th form to 1st form, and senior school went from 3rd form to second year 6th (not forgetting Remove of course).
Whereas mine went from F block to B block.
The Sixth Form Select (the beak-selected element of the oligarchy that governed the School**) were drawn from C Block primarily
** this comprised Society (elected by the boys), Select (elected by the Beaks), the Captain of School, the Captain of Boats and the Ninth Man.
Francis, Thompson (and Gibbons and Coleman) were celebrated Christian Brothers from the 1930s or something. It was never really explained who they were, but there was a well known, if obscure, academic hierarchy - F, C , T, G.
For some reason in the third year, "T" abandoned the rubric, and became a strange laboratory class - a social experiment - even we twigged it at the time. A curious mixture including some who would ultimately go on to Oxbridge, etc., and the most disruptive incorrigibles...
It didn't seem to make any difference. I can't recall anyone who started in F or C, passing through T to be demoted to T or G, or vice versa. If by the 4th Form you were still in T or G, you would be doing 8 'O' Levels instead of 10, and almost certainly not progressing to the 6th Form...
+++ EXCLUSIVE: REFUGEES - EU PLANS NEW FORCE TO POLICE ITS BORDERS. Tomorrow's @Independent front page +++ pic.twitter.com/RhyzIXV2x3
Laughable.
Whilst the EU fails at most things it attempts, you can always depend on them to take advantage of a bad situation and snatch more powers from member countries.
I have just watched the Sky interview where a relative of Aylan Kurdi explained that he didn't just want any old teeth, he wanted dental implants. A relative had to pay privately for dental implants at a cost of £3,000 per tooth. There were significantly cheaper options available. I think most people make do with dentures. You have to wonder where the migrants are getting these ideas that Europe is the land of milk and honey from.
Should have gone to Slovakia. Superb treatment, at only £891 a peg...
Oops, does that make me an economic migrant? (^_-)
If you neeeded 5 implants was there an underlying medical condition? If so you can get all the implants you need on the NHS for free.
The "underlying medical condition" was dentalphobia for two decades...
(^_-)
Btw Algisorb bone graft Ankylos Implants Emax Crowns
The one thing that keeps me going to the dentist is the though of having dental implants. The thought sends shivers down my spine.. ugh!!
I thought that too, and put it off for years, but they're really not so bad, at least in the hands of an expert.
Lower ones are literally almost painless, and quick. Just drill and screw for a minute or so. Good thick bone in the mandible!
Upper ones can be a little more problematic, especially if you need sinus lift and bone graft, as many people do. It then becomes surgical, and can go on for 20-30 minutes with some tapping to break the sinus floor, followed by maybe 3 stitches.
Expect some soft tissue swelling in the gum and face for maybe two days. Nothing to shriek about, just moderate bruising really.
I'd highly recommend the guy in Slovakia, who is a bit of a legend, with Brits flying out there every day of the week... http://www.dentalholiday.co.uk/
@JEO When you're a bit overwhelmed, sometimes it's difficult to notice the reasonable ones. Only you, @Disraeli (although I don't know if he sees himself as right-wing), @another_richard (and I'm unaware he identifies as a right winger), @kle4 (I think he's a centrist though he can confirm whether I'm right/wrong) @MattW were okay.
Oi!
I didn't mention you because you weren't involved in the car crash going on in the last thread
I've been hanging out in NYC today. Off to my fourth meal with friends...
Lucky you - great restaurants all over the place there
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.'
Trump has just as many skeletons as Hillary, if not more
Does Trump have 'coat-tails' in the sense that will GOP candidates in 2016 for House and Senate be keen to have him campaign alongside them?
At this point I have no idea. In 6 months time it will start to be apparent, assuming he lasts that long.
"From the outside Andy Burnham has run the worst leadership campaign a favourite has run since Michael Portillo’s 2001 leadership bid where Portillo managed to finish third in what was seen as a two horse race. You can see why Andy Burnham finished fourth in the 2010 leadership election narrowly ahead of Diane Abbott, he’s not very good at this."
After Burnham's previous Leadership contest, and his even more disappointing record in the last Shadow Cabinent, why is anyone surprised that he has run a poor strategic campaign in this contest?
"From the outside Andy Burnham has run the worst leadership campaign a favourite has run since Michael Portillo’s 2001 leadership bid where Portillo managed to finish third in what was seen as a two horse race. You can see why Andy Burnham finished fourth in the 2010 leadership election narrowly ahead of Diane Abbott, he’s not very good at this."
After Burnham's previous Leadership contest, and his even more disappointing record in the last Shadow Cabinent, why is anyone surprised that he has run a poor strategic campaign in this contest?
I'm not. I'm surprised he had the momentum even to stand in the first place. The fact that his exposure, at last, as being a total waste of space has benefitted Cooper shows just how bereft Labour is.
@JEO When you're a bit overwhelmed, sometimes it's difficult to notice the reasonable ones. Only you, @Disraeli (although I don't know if he sees himself as right-wing), @another_richard (and I'm unaware he identifies as a right winger), @kle4 (I think he's a centrist though he can confirm whether I'm right/wrong) @MattW were okay.
Oi!
I didn't mention you because you weren't involved in the car crash going on in the last thread
I've been hanging out in NYC today. Off to my fourth meal with friends...
Lucky you - great restaurants all over the place there
Lived near there for 4 years.
I hope someone else is paying for those meals. Restaurants in NYC have got awfully expensive.
@JEO When you're a bit overwhelmed, sometimes it's difficult to notice the reasonable ones. Only you, @Disraeli (although I don't know if he sees himself as right-wing), @another_richard (and I'm unaware he identifies as a right winger), @kle4 (I think he's a centrist though he can confirm whether I'm right/wrong) @MattW were okay.
Oi!
I didn't mention you because you weren't involved in the car crash going on in the last thread
I've been hanging out in NYC today. Off to my fourth meal with friends...
Lucky you - great restaurants all over the place there Lived near there for 4 years.
They are ones - or are amongst ones - for which a special fund was set up at Cameron's instigation for expensive treatments not otherwise available to the NHS. It seems according to the radio news that they have been overspent. I'm not sure if that means impossible to manage or what - or what they will do with the money from the fund.
I've been out of the country for a few days and have only been watching this from the sidelines but it's appeared that the Twitterarti/media and Labour Party have basically been blaming Cameron personally for the tragic death of a child in the Med?
Did the UK jump the shark this week?
It seems to have done its best. The bbc - not least on the radio - has certainly been leading the charge. Before the death of this one child there have been hundreds of deaths by drowning which caused not a ripple (no sick pun intended). It seems Stalin's aphorism (?) about tragedy bears greater scrutiny than Corbyn's.
I've been out of the country for a few days and have only been watching this from the sidelines but it's appeared that the Twitterarti/media and Labour Party have basically been blaming Cameron personally for the tragic death of a child in the Med?
Did the UK jump the shark this week?
It seems to have done its best. The bbc - not least on the radio - has certainly been leading the charge. Before the death of this one child there have been hundreds of deaths by drowning which caused not a ripple (no sick pun intended). It seems Stalin's aphorism (?) about tragedy bears greater scrutiny than Corbyn's.
Thousands of deaths, in fact, this year alone.
1,914 in the year to 10th July (latest figures I could find).
Twice as many as in the equivalent period in 2014...
Merkel is doing a great job for Syrian refugees. Also, for CDU support in years to come. My regard for her has gone up many times. Other politicians would not have the guts ! Screw AfD !
Germany badly needs people of working age paying taxes. The country will get a huge boost after the initial costs.
I am also hugely impressed by the response of the German people !
+++ EXCLUSIVE: REFUGEES - EU PLANS NEW FORCE TO POLICE ITS BORDERS. Tomorrow's @Independent front page +++ pic.twitter.com/RhyzIXV2x3
Laughable.
Whilst the EU fails at most things it attempts, you can always depend on them to take advantage of a bad situation and snatch more powers from member countries.
I have just watched the Sky interview where a relative of Aylan Kurdi explained that he didn't just want any old teeth, he wanted dental implants. A relative had to pay privately for dental implants at a cost of £3,000 per tooth. There were significantly cheaper options available. I think most people make do with dentures. You have to wonder where the migrants are getting these ideas that Europe is the land of milk and honey from.
Should have gone to Slovakia. Superb treatment, at only £891 a peg...
Oops, does that make me an economic migrant? (^_-)
If you neeeded 5 implants was there an underlying medical condition? If so you can get all the implants you need on the NHS for free.
The "underlying medical condition" was dentalphobia for two decades...
(^_-)
Btw Algisorb bone graft Ankylos Implants Emax Crowns
The one thing that keeps me going to the dentist is the though of having dental implants. The thought sends shivers down my spine.. ugh!!
I thought that too, and put it off for years, but they're really not so bad, at least in the hands of an expert.
Lower ones are literally almost painless, and quick. Just drill and screw for a minute or so. Good thick bone in the mandible!
Upper ones can be a little more problematic, especially if you need sinus lift and bone graft, as many people do. It then becomes surgical, and can go on for 20-30 minutes with some tapping to break the sinus floor, followed by maybe 3 stitches.
Expect some soft tissue swelling in the gum and face for maybe two days. Nothing to shriek about, just moderate bruising really.
I'd highly recommend the guy in Slovakia, who is a bit of a legend, with Brits flying out there every day of the week... http://www.dentalholiday.co.uk/
Oh, it doesn't keep me from going, it keeps me going! Want to keep them tip top as long as possible. Got a bit light headed reading your description of the procedure!
Oh, it doesn't keep me from going, it keeps me going! Want to keep them tip top as long as possible. Got a bit light headed reading your description of the procedure!
My teeth were in fairly good nick, aside from the 5 that I'd lost or were giving up the ghost, mostly through my own stupidity. I had the top front six crowned just for cosmetic purposes to match my sparkly new implants.
Some people's are so far gone they have the lot out, and instead of dentures have the "all-on-four" procedure. This is 4 implants in each jaw upon which a whole new set of gnashers are permanently screwed. For these people the transformations are stunning and undoubtedly life-changing.
@JEO When you're a bit overwhelmed, sometimes it's difficult to notice the reasonable ones. Only you, @Disraeli (although I don't know if he sees himself as right-wing), @another_richard (and I'm unaware he identifies as a right winger), @kle4 (I think he's a centrist though he can confirm whether I'm right/wrong) @MattW were okay.
Oi!
I didn't mention you because you weren't involved in the car crash going on in the last thread
I've been hanging out in NYC today. Off to my fourth meal with friends...
Lucky you - great restaurants all over the place there
Lived near there for 4 years.
Brasserie Rockfeller Cafe Casa Lever (one of my favs) DBGB
@JEO When you're a bit overwhelmed, sometimes it's difficult to notice the reasonable ones. Only you, @Disraeli (although I don't know if he sees himself as right-wing), @another_richard (and I'm unaware he identifies as a right winger), @kle4 (I think he's a centrist though he can confirm whether I'm right/wrong) @MattW were okay.
Oi!
I didn't mention you because you weren't involved in the car crash going on in the last thread
I've been hanging out in NYC today. Off to my fourth meal with friends...
Lucky you - great restaurants all over the place there
Lived near there for 4 years.
I hope someone else is paying for those meals. Restaurants in NYC have got awfully expensive.
Comments
Hence "The Italian Job: understanding the mini Cooper surge"
The worst thing a government can do, is bow to the "something must be done" brigade.
Policy (especially important policy like this) needs to be made in calm and reasonable moments of reflection not while Bob Geldof, Paul Dacre and Polly Toynbee are all joining together to scream from the sidelines.
Did the UK jump the shark this week?
She will incur ongoing damage until the last Friday in January from the email scandal. How much remains to be seen.
Unless the FBI indicts, at present - short of an October surprise - it looks like she will stagger across the finish line and win the nomination.
How damaged that leaves her in the general election is unknown.
If the FBI indicts she is gone. The timing of such an indictment could make for fascinating political theater. What if they indict after the convention? That timing seems unlikely though.
Since the general election, when supposedly the entire nation was going to vote for Ed Miliband, I remain very, very unmoved by 99% of the nonsense that apparently makes up "public opinion"...
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.
"Cancer charities condemn NHS England for axing medicines
Decision to stop paying for drugs for leukaemia, multiple myeloma and breast, bowel, pancreatic and cervical cancer described as ‘hammer blow’"
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/04/cancer-charities-condemn-nhs-england-for-axing-medicines
He's taking the fifth with the FBI too.
It's stuff like this that really hurts her.
The endgame will likely be that he's is offered complete immunity and then he can be forced to testify, but that's a while away.
(^_-)
Btw
Algisorb bone graft
Ankylos Implants
Emax Crowns
'Do you think Trump becoming POTUS is possible?
If you'd asked me when he announced I'd have laughed at the prospect. I still think it unlikely, and when the field begins to thin out we'll see how the percentages break.
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.'
Trump has just as many skeletons as Hillary, if not more
Can it be taken into account by a jury?
But is it possible? The chance that it might be is beginning to discuss the possibility of starting to cross my mind.'
Trump has just as many skeletons as Hillary, if not more
Skeletons probably, scandals no.
Skeletons probably, scandals no.
Given the nature of his business interests and his love life there is a whole cavern full of material
Given the nature of his business interests and his love life there is a whole cavern full of material
Those are skeletons, not scandals. I'm sure there are plenty.
The Sixth Form Select (the beak-selected element of the oligarchy that governed the School**) were drawn from C Block primarily
** this comprised Society (elected by the boys), Select (elected by the Beaks), the Captain of School, the Captain of Boats and the Ninth Man.
'It is to be deeply hoped that when Germany and France present their fait accompli on sharing out migrants the rest of Europe roundly tells them to eff off and some sense might begin to prevail. Sadly I'm not holding my breath.'
Maybe Merkel can persuade France to take some of the Syrians, they have managed 500 so far.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kH04e9UpkFY
2F (rancis)
3T (hompson)
4F (rancis)
5F (rancis)
Lower 6th Science
Upper 6th Science
Francis, Thompson (and Gibbons and Coleman) were celebrated Christian Brothers from the 1930s or something. It was never really explained who they were, but there was a well known, if obscure, academic hierarchy - F, C , T, G.
For some reason in the third year, "T" abandoned the rubric, and became a strange laboratory class - a social experiment - even we twigged it at the time. A curious mixture including some who would ultimately go on to Oxbridge, etc., and the most disruptive incorrigibles...
It didn't seem to make any difference. I can't recall anyone who started in F or C, passing through T to be demoted to T or G, or vice versa. If by the 4th Form you were still in T or G, you would be doing 8 'O' Levels instead of 10, and almost certainly not progressing to the 6th Form...
Lower ones are literally almost painless, and quick. Just drill and screw for a minute or so. Good thick bone in the mandible!
Upper ones can be a little more problematic, especially if you need sinus lift and bone graft, as many people do. It then becomes surgical, and can go on for 20-30 minutes with some tapping to break the sinus floor, followed by maybe 3 stitches.
Expect some soft tissue swelling in the gum and face for maybe two days. Nothing to shriek about, just moderate bruising really.
I'd highly recommend the guy in Slovakia, who is a bit of a legend, with Brits flying out there every day of the week...
http://www.dentalholiday.co.uk/
Lived near there for 4 years.
After Burnham's previous Leadership contest, and his even more disappointing record in the last Shadow Cabinent, why is anyone surprised that he has run a poor strategic campaign in this contest?
Like being trapped in an episode of the Twilight Zone.
1,914 in the year to 10th July (latest figures I could find).
Twice as many as in the equivalent period in 2014...
He actually found the kid's body before the police did, and - as you do - snapped a close up pic of the corpse on his phone.
He's not put off, and is going to try the same thing with his kids one of these nights.
Surreal...
I have a feeling that when RGIII comes off the concussion protocol they'll cut him. They can't trade him with his contract.
The owner wants to keep him, GM and coaches don't want any part of him.
My regard for her has gone up many times. Other politicians would not have the guts !
Screw AfD !
Germany badly needs people of working age paying taxes. The country will get a huge boost after the initial costs.
I am also hugely impressed by the response of the German people !
Some people's are so far gone they have the lot out, and instead of dentures have the "all-on-four" procedure. This is 4 implants in each jaw upon which a whole new set of gnashers are permanently screwed. For these people the transformations are stunning and undoubtedly life-changing.
Rockfeller Cafe
Casa Lever (one of my favs)
DBGB
The Germans paid for dinner...