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  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    @MP_SE Good point. I think UKIP will be the main beneficiary, if this crisis damages the government.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Great to know that Top Gear will be back on The Pirate Bay Amazon Prime soon.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Trump on Channel 4 news seems to be off his reservation. Never seen such a barking mad front runner!

    Isn't he at Turnberry? He owns it!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    He might have a long wait. Fangs aint what they used to be.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    oh dear LOL
    Lost your pride? ;)
    I would have thought Amazon were well aware of 'pitating'isues and have them covered. meantie you cannot blame Clarkeson and Co going for the Mane Chance.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    watford30 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Calais crisis: Corbyn says Cameron's language 'incendiary, unbecoming of a Prime Minister':

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11772262/Calais-illegal-immigrants-crisis-live.html

    This from the man who'd allow the entire 'criminal' swarm free entry - how incendiary would that be?
    Its all metropolitan liberals wanting to change the debate about violent young men with no respect for law or property breaking into this country, which is an argument they know they'll lose, to an irrelevant one about harmless language. There won't be a single migrant in Calais who will be upset about being called part of a swarm. It is a transparent faux outrage.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Will Self is on point, tbh.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Blimey you know it's getting quite left wing if Self is describing folk as "Marxist entryists"
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    oh dear LOL
    Lost your pride? ;)
    I would have thought Amazon were well aware of 'pitating'isues and have them covered. meantie you cannot blame Clarkeson and Co going for the Mane Chance.
    Pirates will always find a way. Amazon will be no exception to this. Still, it will most likely do wonders for the number of Prime subscribers in the UK!
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    EPG said:

    When the BBC don't spend lots of money, they are stupid for missing out on worldwide opportunities.

    When the BBC do spend lots of money, they are wasteful for doling out licence payers' cash to talent.

    So the solution is for them to spend lots of money they generate themselves rather than through taxation.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Will Self is on point, tbh.
    He fancies himself as an intellectual but actually talks a lot of bollocks, dressed up in pompous vocabulary.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    AndyJS said:

    The one achievement the LDs had in government was the least-needed: a fixed five year term parliament. It ought to be four years or three years like in Australia IMO. In today's fast moving world, five years seems like an age. For example, the iPad wasn't even publicly available at the time of the 2010 election, yet it seems as if it's been around for much longer than five years.

    Contrary to what is said so often we have not moved to a fixed five year Parliament - but a fixed term of four years ten and a half months - ie 4.875 years!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706

    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Will Self is on point, tbh.
    He fancies himself as an intellectual but actually talks a lot of bollocks, dressed up in pompous vocabulary.
    Surprised he doesn't post here.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited July 2015
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    oh dear LOL
    Lost your pride? ;)
    I would have thought Amazon were well aware of 'pitating'isues and have them covered. meantie you cannot blame Clarkeson and Co going for the Mane Chance.
    Pirates will always find a way. Amazon will be no exception to this. Still, it will most likely do wonders for the number of Prime subscribers in the UK!
    Hasn't it been made really difficult to watch pirated media online these days? All of the dodgy streaming sites are blocked and the quality of the media on them was usually poor. Do torrents even exist any more? I only watch DVDs and some television so don't pay much attention to these things.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    oh dear LOL
    Lost your pride? ;)
    I would have thought Amazon were well aware of 'pitating'isues and have them covered. meantie you cannot blame Clarkeson and Co going for the Mane Chance.
    Only if they knew what pitating, meantie, and Clarkeson meant ;)

    I'm sure they're up to scratch...they will hunt them down and stalk them, pouncing when the time is right.

    Can we stop terrible lion puns now? RIP Cecil.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    The one achievement the LDs had in government was the least-needed: a fixed five year term parliament. It ought to be four years or three years like in Australia IMO. In today's fast moving world, five years seems like an age. For example, the iPad wasn't even publicly available at the time of the 2010 election, yet it seems as if it's been around for much longer than five years.

    Contrary to what is said so often we have not moved to a fixed five year Parliament - but a fixed term of four years ten and a half months - ie 4.875 years!
    Perhaps the five years refers to the time between the dissolution of the two parliaments. ;)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "CWU and TSSA announce they’re backing Jeremy Corbyn to be Labour’s next leader":

    http://labourlist.org/2015/07/cwu-announce-theyre-backing-jeremy-corbyn-to-be-labours-next-leader/
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338
    JEO said:

    watford30 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Calais crisis: Corbyn says Cameron's language 'incendiary, unbecoming of a Prime Minister':

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11772262/Calais-illegal-immigrants-crisis-live.html

    This from the man who'd allow the entire 'criminal' swarm free entry - how incendiary would that be?
    Its all metropolitan liberals wanting to change the debate about violent young men with no respect for law or property breaking into this country, which is an argument they know they'll lose, to an irrelevant one about harmless language. There won't be a single migrant in Calais who will be upset about being called part of a swarm. It is a transparent faux outrage.
    All Cameron has to do is point out that Corbyn would let all these people in and all the rest who would follow them with no limit. And that such a policy is far more incendiary and harmful to people here than an accurate description of what is happening in Calais every night.

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Plato said:

    The maths of Labour climbing back up to a working maj aren't in their favour for a win in 2020.

    Labour are more than 90 seats behind the Tories. That's landslide territory.

    So unless something fairly cataclysmic happens between now and GE2020 - they aren't going to leap that tall building in a single bound no matter how bored Joe Public are with the Tories.

    watford30 said:

    @glw, I think you'll be disappointed if you seriously think The Tories will always and forever be the largest party at GEs.

    No, someone else will, but currently it's not looking as if that party could be Labour for a long, long while.
    How long do you seriously think Labour will be out of power? After 10 years people usually get sick of governments, and after 15 years especially they've had enough. If the Corbyn Left fails, the modernisers will probably take back the party - either by the 2020 GE or before that.

    A lot of 'ace' cards the Tories had to play - mainly Cameron as their leader - won't be there in 2020 and their competence could be damaged by a number of events, including the EU ref, the spectacle of a leadership contest from 2017 onwards, potentially 'bad' economic events, the impact of austerity, and even a Osborne or Johnson leadership going down like a lead ballon.

    On top of that if Farron *does* managed a some kind of LD revival, then that could well affect the Tory gains in the South West.
    To get the Tories out though Labour only needs to see them pushed below 310 - in a 650 member Commons. That's not at all unlikely.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Will Self is on point, tbh.
    Indeed,he was using it to press for PR
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    MP_SE said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    oh dear LOL
    Lost your pride? ;)
    I would have thought Amazon were well aware of 'pitating'isues and have them covered. meantie you cannot blame Clarkeson and Co going for the Mane Chance.
    Pirates will always find a way. Amazon will be no exception to this. Still, it will most likely do wonders for the number of Prime subscribers in the UK!
    Hasn't it been made really difficult to watch pirated media online these days? All of the dodgy streaming sites are blocked and the quality of the media on them was usually poor. Do torrents even exist any more? I only watch DVDs and some television so don't pay much attention to these things.
    It's still easy, you just have to be careful ..not that I do this.. well, actually my only bit of illicit online activity is watching BBC Daily Politics/This Week on iPlayer when not in the UK.. but who can blame me for that!! (I'd actually subscribe to iPlayer if it was an option)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Blimey you know it's getting quite left wing if Self is describing folk as "Marxist entryists"
    Yes although he was going to vote for Corbyn and said he had enthused the young, John Mcdonnell was rather more critical
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    edited July 2015
    justin124 said:

    Plato said:

    The maths of Labour climbing back up to a working maj aren't in their favour for a win in 2020.

    Labour are more than 90 seats behind the Tories. That's landslide territory.

    So unless something fairly cataclysmic happens between now and GE2020 - they aren't going to leap that tall building in a single bound no matter how bored Joe Public are with the Tories.

    watford30 said:

    @glw, I think you'll be disappointed if you seriously think The Tories will always and forever be the largest party at GEs.

    No, someone else will, but currently it's not looking as if that party could be Labour for a long, long while.
    How long do you seriously think Labour will be out of power? After 10 years people usually get sick of governments, and after 15 years especially they've had enough. If the Corbyn Left fails, the modernisers will probably take back the party - either by the 2020 GE or before that.

    A lot of 'ace' cards the Tories had to play - mainly Cameron as their leader - won't be there in 2020 and their competence could be damaged by a number of events, including the EU ref, the spectacle of a leadership contest from 2017 onwards, potentially 'bad' economic events, the impact of austerity, and even a Osborne or Johnson leadership going down like a lead ballon.

    On top of that if Farron *does* managed a some kind of LD revival, then that could well affect the Tory gains in the South West.
    To get the Tories out though Labour only needs to see them pushed below 310 - in a 650 member Commons. That's not at all unlikely.
    The current Tory position most resembles 1992.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited July 2015

    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Will Self is on point, tbh.
    He fancies himself as an intellectual but actually talks a lot of bollocks, dressed up in pompous vocabulary.
    I do think Self definitely sees himself as some kind wise old man, but I think sometimes he does make good points - such as on Labour's situation.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Jonathan said:

    justin124 said:

    Plato said:

    The maths of Labour climbing back up to a working maj aren't in their favour for a win in 2020.

    Labour are more than 90 seats behind the Tories. That's landslide territory.

    So unless something fairly cataclysmic happens between now and GE2020 - they aren't going to leap that tall building in a single bound no matter how bored Joe Public are with the Tories.

    watford30 said:

    @glw, I think you'll be disappointed if you seriously think The Tories will always and forever be the largest party at GEs.

    No, someone else will, but currently it's not looking as if that party could be Labour for a long, long while.
    How long do you seriously think Labour will be out of power? After 10 years people usually get sick of governments, and after 15 years especially they've had enough. If the Corbyn Left fails, the modernisers will probably take back the party - either by the 2020 GE or before that.

    A lot of 'ace' cards the Tories had to play - mainly Cameron as their leader - won't be there in 2020 and their competence could be damaged by a number of events, including the EU ref, the spectacle of a leadership contest from 2017 onwards, potentially 'bad' economic events, the impact of austerity, and even a Osborne or Johnson leadership going down like a lead ballon.

    On top of that if Farron *does* managed a some kind of LD revival, then that could well affect the Tory gains in the South West.
    To get the Tories out though Labour only needs to see them pushed below 310 - in a 650 member Commons. That's not at all unlikely.
    The current Tory position situation most resembles 1992.
    getting the Tories below 310 doesn't automatically get them out.. We had this nonsense about rainbow coalitions in 2010.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Will Self is on point, tbh.
    Indeed,he was using it to press for PR
    I don't think PR will ever happen in this country.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    EPG said:

    The new gang of four would not need to be as good in order to do as well.

    England is economically a much less left-wing and more right-wing place than it was in the early 1980s. It's easy to rationalise why over 200 constituencies voted for Foot Labour; after all, the left was still a living current in the Labour Party; unionised, working-class extraction and manufacturing jobs were still extremely common; and more people had a tradition of always voting Labour.

    In 1983 under Michael Foot Labour only reached 209 in GB as a whole. The figure for England alone was circa 140.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    EPG said:

    When the BBC don't spend lots of money, they are stupid for missing out on worldwide opportunities.

    When the BBC do spend lots of money, they are wasteful for doling out licence payers' cash to talent.

    On working with Amazon and the $250m contract, Jeremy Clarkson said: "I feel like I've climbed out of a bi-plane and into a spaceship."

    I seem to recall their office, when filming all the test drives etc at the airfield, was a porto-cabin, next door to a large hangar. I think they can now afford to splash out on a gold plated kettle and three new coffee mugs.
    Huge slap in the face for the BBC. And rightly so, after their inept own goal on Top Gear.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706

    Jonathan said:

    justin124 said:

    Plato said:

    The maths of Labour climbing back up to a working maj aren't in their favour for a win in 2020.

    Labour are more than 90 seats behind the Tories. That's landslide territory.

    So unless something fairly cataclysmic happens between now and GE2020 - they aren't going to leap that tall building in a single bound no matter how bored Joe Public are with the Tories.

    watford30 said:

    @glw, I think you'll be disappointed if you seriously think The Tories will always and forever be the largest party at GEs.

    No, someone else will, but currently it's not looking as if that party could be Labour for a long, long while.
    How long do you seriously think Labour will be out of power? After 10 years people usually get sick of governments, and after 15 years especially they've had enough. If the Corbyn Left fails, the modernisers will probably take back the party - either by the 2020 GE or before that.

    A lot of 'ace' cards the Tories had to play - mainly Cameron as their leader - won't be there in 2020 and their competence could be damaged by a number of events, including the EU ref, the spectacle of a leadership contest from 2017 onwards, potentially 'bad' economic events, the impact of austerity, and even a Osborne or Johnson leadership going down like a lead ballon.

    On top of that if Farron *does* managed a some kind of LD revival, then that could well affect the Tory gains in the South West.
    To get the Tories out though Labour only needs to see them pushed below 310 - in a 650 member Commons. That's not at all unlikely.
    The current Tory position situation most resembles 1992.
    getting the Tories below 310 doesn't automatically get them out.. We had this nonsense about rainbow coalitions in 2010.
    The Tories are very beatable.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
    Unless he was on the menu!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    justin124 said:

    EPG said:

    The new gang of four would not need to be as good in order to do as well.

    England is economically a much less left-wing and more right-wing place than it was in the early 1980s. It's easy to rationalise why over 200 constituencies voted for Foot Labour; after all, the left was still a living current in the Labour Party; unionised, working-class extraction and manufacturing jobs were still extremely common; and more people had a tradition of always voting Labour.

    In 1983 under Michael Foot Labour only reached 209 in GB as a whole. The figure for England alone was circa 140.
    Indeed, Ed Miliband won a higher percentage in England than both Foot in 1983 and Kinnock in 1987
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    I've read some of Camille Paglia's articles. She did a good article on Princess Diana. That said, I'm not a fan of her in general.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    justin124 said:

    Plato said:

    The maths of Labour climbing back up to a working maj aren't in their favour for a win in 2020.

    Labour are more than 90 seats behind the Tories. That's landslide territory.

    So unless something fairly cataclysmic happens between now and GE2020 - they aren't going to leap that tall building in a single bound no matter how bored Joe Public are with the Tories.

    watford30 said:

    @glw, I think you'll be disappointed if you seriously think The Tories will always and forever be the largest party at GEs.

    No, someone else will, but currently it's not looking as if that party could be Labour for a long, long while.
    How long do you seriously think Labour will be out of power? After 10 years people usually get sick of governments, and after 15 years especially they've had enough. If the Corbyn Left fails, the modernisers will probably take back the party - either by the 2020 GE or before that.

    A lot of 'ace' cards the Tories had to play - mainly Cameron as their leader - won't be there in 2020 and their competence could be damaged by a number of events, including the EU ref, the spectacle of a leadership contest from 2017 onwards, potentially 'bad' economic events, the impact of austerity, and even a Osborne or Johnson leadership going down like a lead ballon.

    On top of that if Farron *does* managed a some kind of LD revival, then that could well affect the Tory gains in the South West.
    To get the Tories out though Labour only needs to see them pushed below 310 - in a 650 member Commons. That's not at all unlikely.
    Absolutely. With the right leader it's entirely possible.
    However, Labour need to plan for the worst, and if Scotland leaves the union it's a tall order to do that in rUK in one jump.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    EPG said:

    When the BBC don't spend lots of money, they are stupid for missing out on worldwide opportunities.

    When the BBC do spend lots of money, they are wasteful for doling out licence payers' cash to talent.

    On working with Amazon and the $250m contract, Jeremy Clarkson said: "I feel like I've climbed out of a bi-plane and into a spaceship."

    I seem to recall their office, when filming all the test drives etc at the airfield, was a porto-cabin, next door to a large hangar. I think they can now afford to splash out on a gold plated kettle and three new coffee mugs.
    Huge slap in the face for the BBC. And rightly so, after their inept own goal on Top Gear.
    Amazon will make a fortune on this - the chuckle trio are a global brand - even without the Stig
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    justin124 said:

    EPG said:

    The new gang of four would not need to be as good in order to do as well.

    England is economically a much less left-wing and more right-wing place than it was in the early 1980s. It's easy to rationalise why over 200 constituencies voted for Foot Labour; after all, the left was still a living current in the Labour Party; unionised, working-class extraction and manufacturing jobs were still extremely common; and more people had a tradition of always voting Labour.

    In 1983 under Michael Foot Labour only reached 209 in GB as a whole. The figure for England alone was circa 140.
    Under Foot in 1983 Labour won the three Stoke-on-Trent constituencies with large majorities. All of them are now fairly marginal, including Tristram Hunt in SoT Central.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
    Unless he was on the menu!
    Only if he was lion in state...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Tim_B said:

    EPG said:

    When the BBC don't spend lots of money, they are stupid for missing out on worldwide opportunities.

    When the BBC do spend lots of money, they are wasteful for doling out licence payers' cash to talent.

    On working with Amazon and the $250m contract, Jeremy Clarkson said: "I feel like I've climbed out of a bi-plane and into a spaceship."

    I seem to recall their office, when filming all the test drives etc at the airfield, was a porto-cabin, next door to a large hangar. I think they can now afford to splash out on a gold plated kettle and three new coffee mugs.
    Huge slap in the face for the BBC. And rightly so, after their inept own goal on Top Gear.
    Amazon will make a fortune on this - the chuckle trio are a global brand - even without the Stig
    It's like when Morecambe and Wise went to ITV.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    rcs

    "Does that include production costs?"

    They'll need all of that to pay off the producers Clarkson decides to batter
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited July 2015
    Quinnipiac has Trump leading the GOP race and Bush takes a narrow lead over Hillary but loses narrowly to Biden

    GOP
    Trump – 20% (5)
    Walker – 13% (10)
    Bush – 10% (10)
    Carson – 6% (10)
    Huckabee – 6% (10)
    Paul – 6% (7)
    Rubio – 6% (10)
    Cruz – 5% (6)
    Kasich – 5% (2)
    Christie – 3% (4)
    Jindal – 2% (1)
    Perry – 2% (1)
    Fiorina – 1% (2)
    Graham – 1% (1)
    Pataki – 1% (0)
    Santorum – 1% (0)
    Gilmore – 0% (-)
    Undecided – 12% (20)
    ———
    Democrats
    Clinton 55%
    Sanders 17%
    Biden 11%
    O'Malley 1%
    Webb 1%



    General Election Matchups

    Bush – 42% (37)
    Clinton – 41% (47)

    Clinton – 44% (46)
    Walker – 43% (38)

    Clinton – 48% (50)
    Trump – 36% (32)

    Bush 42% (38)
    Biden 43% (44)

    Biden 43%
    Walker 43%

    Biden 49%
    Trump 37%

    Bush 44%
    Sanders 39%

    Walker 42%
    Sanders 37%

    Sanders 45%
    Trump 37%



    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2264
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Will Self is on point, tbh.
    He fancies himself as an intellectual but actually talks a lot of bollocks, dressed up in pompous vocabulary.
    Surprised he doesn't post here.
    Got to be best post of the day.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Jonathan said:

    EPG said:

    When the BBC don't spend lots of money, they are stupid for missing out on worldwide opportunities.

    When the BBC do spend lots of money, they are wasteful for doling out licence payers' cash to talent.

    On working with Amazon and the $250m contract, Jeremy Clarkson said: "I feel like I've climbed out of a bi-plane and into a spaceship."

    I seem to recall their office, when filming all the test drives etc at the airfield, was a porto-cabin, next door to a large hangar. I think they can now afford to splash out on a gold plated kettle and three new coffee mugs.
    Well there is no doubt any more that the BBC is a wealth creator.
    Yes, it's made many of it's presenters and staff extremely wealthy.

    Shame it's been at the licence payers expense.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    oh dear LOL
    Lost your pride? ;)
    I would have thought Amazon were well aware of 'pitating'isues and have them covered. meantie you cannot blame Clarkeson and Co going for the Mane Chance.
    Only if they knew what pitating, meantie, and Clarkeson meant ;)
    I'm sure they're up to scratch...they will hunt them down and stalk them, pouncing when the time is right.
    Can we stop terrible lion puns now? RIP Cecil.
    :-)

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
    Unless he was on the menu!
    Only if he was lion in state...
    Classic!
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Jonathan said:

    justin124 said:

    Plato said:

    The maths of Labour climbing back up to a working maj aren't in their favour for a win in 2020.

    Labour are more than 90 seats behind the Tories. That's landslide territory.

    So unless something fairly cataclysmic happens between now and GE2020 - they aren't going to leap that tall building in a single bound no matter how bored Joe Public are with the Tories.

    watford30 said:

    @glw, I think you'll be disappointed if you seriously think The Tories will always and forever be the largest party at GEs.

    No, someone else will, but currently it's not looking as if that party could be Labour for a long, long while.
    How long do you seriously think Labour will be out of power? After 10 years people usually get sick of governments, and after 15 years especially they've had enough. If the Corbyn Left fails, the modernisers will probably take back the party - either by the 2020 GE or before that.

    A lot of 'ace' cards the Tories had to play - mainly Cameron as their leader - won't be there in 2020 and their competence could be damaged by a number of events, including the EU ref, the spectacle of a leadership contest from 2017 onwards, potentially 'bad' economic events, the impact of austerity, and even a Osborne or Johnson leadership going down like a lead ballon.

    On top of that if Farron *does* managed a some kind of LD revival, then that could well affect the Tory gains in the South West.
    To get the Tories out though Labour only needs to see them pushed below 310 - in a 650 member Commons. That's not at all unlikely.
    The current Tory position situation most resembles 1992.
    getting the Tories below 310 doesn't automatically get them out.. We had this nonsense about rainbow coalitions in 2010.
    But it would be different to 2010 because no minority party beyond Ulster would support them - other than UKIP. Farron and the LibDems would see it as a golden opportunity to redeem themselves with left of centre voters.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited July 2015
    Surprising fact:

    We often hear about how much the House of Lords is growing.

    Well guess how many Peers have retired since March 2015?

    Answer = 26!!!

    A further 10 have died since January 2015.

    So if Dave now appoints another 40 the net growth is only, actually, pretty marginal.

    (8 have already been appointed since the GE).
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    rcs1000 said:

    calum said:
    Hey calum, apparently there's been a phone poll in Orkney & Shetland - but I don't know who paid for it, or what the result was. Have you heard anything?
    Nothing on my radar, although most of the Scottish polls are now being done on a regional basis to improve accuracy and give a better idea of how the regional list seats will play out in Holyrood 2016.

    Farron's appointment of Carmichael as his justice spokesman has certainly stirred up the natives:

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics/outrage-after-carmichael-makes-ironic-return-to-frontline-politics-in-libdem-home-affairs-role.5771
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,547
    The argument about the use of "swarming" is a classic case of "Oh look. A squirrel!"
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    MikeL said:

    Surprising fact:

    We often hear about how much the House of Lords is growing.

    Well guess how many Peers have retired since March 2015?

    Answer = 26!!!

    A further 10 have died since January 2015.

    So if Dave now appoints another 40 the net growth is only, actually, pretty marginal.

    And there was a stat about how many were over 80, I forget the exact value, but it was high enough that the rate of attrition would be quite substantial.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Jonathan said:

    Tim_B said:

    EPG said:

    When the BBC don't spend lots of money, they are stupid for missing out on worldwide opportunities.

    When the BBC do spend lots of money, they are wasteful for doling out licence payers' cash to talent.

    On working with Amazon and the $250m contract, Jeremy Clarkson said: "I feel like I've climbed out of a bi-plane and into a spaceship."

    I seem to recall their office, when filming all the test drives etc at the airfield, was a porto-cabin, next door to a large hangar. I think they can now afford to splash out on a gold plated kettle and three new coffee mugs.
    Huge slap in the face for the BBC. And rightly so, after their inept own goal on Top Gear.
    Amazon will make a fortune on this - the chuckle trio are a global brand - even without the Stig
    It's like when Morecambe and Wise went to ITV.
    Even more comments about Luton Town?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    calum said:

    rcs1000 said:

    calum said:
    Hey calum, apparently there's been a phone poll in Orkney & Shetland - but I don't know who paid for it, or what the result was. Have you heard anything?
    Nothing on my radar, although most of the Scottish polls are now being done on a regional basis to improve accuracy and give a better idea of how the regional list seats will play out in Holyrood 2016.

    Farron's appointment of Carmichael as his justice spokesman has certainly stirred up the natives:

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics/outrage-after-carmichael-makes-ironic-return-to-frontline-politics-in-libdem-home-affairs-role.5771
    If I had a pound every time you said the word 'Carmichael'.... ;)
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    RobD said:

    calum said:

    rcs1000 said:

    calum said:
    Hey calum, apparently there's been a phone poll in Orkney & Shetland - but I don't know who paid for it, or what the result was. Have you heard anything?
    Nothing on my radar, although most of the Scottish polls are now being done on a regional basis to improve accuracy and give a better idea of how the regional list seats will play out in Holyrood 2016.

    Farron's appointment of Carmichael as his justice spokesman has certainly stirred up the natives:

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics/outrage-after-carmichael-makes-ironic-return-to-frontline-politics-in-libdem-home-affairs-role.5771
    If I had a pound every time you said the word 'Carmichael'.... ;)
    Good luck getting a pound off a Scotsman.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    watford30 said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    rcs1000 said:

    calum said:
    Hey calum, apparently there's been a phone poll in Orkney & Shetland - but I don't know who paid for it, or what the result was. Have you heard anything?
    Nothing on my radar, although most of the Scottish polls are now being done on a regional basis to improve accuracy and give a better idea of how the regional list seats will play out in Holyrood 2016.

    Farron's appointment of Carmichael as his justice spokesman has certainly stirred up the natives:

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics/outrage-after-carmichael-makes-ironic-return-to-frontline-politics-in-libdem-home-affairs-role.5771
    If I had a pound every time you said the word 'Carmichael'.... ;)
    Good luck getting a pound off a Scotsman.
    Sorry.. should have said 'millstone'.... titters
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    HYUFD said:

    Quinnipiac has Trump leading the GOP race and Bush takes a narrow lead over Hillary but loses narrowly to Biden

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2264

    To me, the most interesting thing about the poll is that Kasich has moved up sufficiently to make the top ten for the debates. All the rest is for the birds at this stage.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    watford30 said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    rcs1000 said:

    calum said:
    Hey calum, apparently there's been a phone poll in Orkney & Shetland - but I don't know who paid for it, or what the result was. Have you heard anything?
    Nothing on my radar, although most of the Scottish polls are now being done on a regional basis to improve accuracy and give a better idea of how the regional list seats will play out in Holyrood 2016.

    Farron's appointment of Carmichael as his justice spokesman has certainly stirred up the natives:

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics/outrage-after-carmichael-makes-ironic-return-to-frontline-politics-in-libdem-home-affairs-role.5771
    If I had a pound every time you said the word 'Carmichael'.... ;)
    Good luck getting a pound off a Scotsman.
    Unless he subscribes to Amazon Prime.....
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    JEO said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Calais crisis: Corbyn says Cameron's language 'incendiary, unbecoming of a Prime Minister':

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11772262/Calais-illegal-immigrants-crisis-live.html

    Bloody ridiculous.
    The whole storm in a tea cup about language is being deliberately used to distract people from the underlying issues.
    100% correct. The language, not least in its context of a world issue crossing continents was quite illustrative. Labour want to hide the fact that they have no answer themselves and the lefties want to let them in. Legal migration is valid, illegal migration and encouraging the same will only encourafge the traffickers and the migrants which will increase to a flood. 'flood' as used by labour's own former Home Secretary who accused France of 'opening the floodgates' as recently as this June. ''I don't want [the French] to undo the agreement we reached over 12 years ago on immigration security as that would really open, literally, the flood gates,'' (The Mail)
    Previously Blunkett has agreed with language like 'swamped' and talked of 'lancing the boil'

    One again labour are a bunch of hypocrites and Corbyn the leading left winger is leading the charge - of the The Gadarene Swine.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited July 2015
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Surprising fact:

    We often hear about how much the House of Lords is growing.

    Well guess how many Peers have retired since March 2015?

    Answer = 26!!!

    A further 10 have died since January 2015.

    So if Dave now appoints another 40 the net growth is only, actually, pretty marginal.

    And there was a stat about how many were over 80, I forget the exact value, but it was high enough that the rate of attrition would be quite substantial.
    There are just under 800 Peers. If say 50 die or retire each year that's 6% - which looks about right.

    So Dave can appoint about 60 to 70 each year - which will give net growth of 10 to 20 - which he can get away with.

    Means he can change the overall composition quite quickly. And he'll be able to change it more in this Parliament as he had to appoint lots of Lib Dems in 2010/15.

    He's also helped that any hereditaries that die get replaced automatically from within the same Party - and most hereditaries are Con - which means deaths / retirements hit other Parties disproportionately - ie Lab has more Life Peers which get lost on death / retirement.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    edited July 2015
    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Surprising fact:

    We often hear about how much the House of Lords is growing.

    Well guess how many Peers have retired since March 2015?

    Answer = 26!!!

    A further 10 have died since January 2015.

    So if Dave now appoints another 40 the net growth is only, actually, pretty marginal.

    And there was a stat about how many were over 80, I forget the exact value, but it was high enough that the rate of attrition would be quite substantial.
    There are just under 800 Peers. If say 50 die or retire each year that's 6% - which looks about right.

    So Dave can appoint about 60 to 70 each year - which will give net growth of 10 to 20 - which he can get away with.

    Means he can change the overall composition quite quickly. And he'll be able to change it more in this Parliament as he had to appoint lots of Lib Dems in 2010/15.

    He's also helped that any hereditaries that die get replaced automatically from within the same Party - and most hereditaries are Con - which means deaths / retirements hit other Parties disproportionately - ie Lab has more Life Peers which get lost on death / retirement.
    He shouldn't appoint many new peers IMO.. and those he does should preferentially be respected industry leaders/scientists etc. We need far fewer second hand politicians in the upper house (maybe holders of the great offices of state, but not a junior minister who lost their seat, for instance)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: That's what you call a big celebrity endorsement. Surprised he didn't hashtag it #burnhamsgottalent tho.. https://t.co/k9aNi0lLuf
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
    Instead of a Spiked Arnold Palmer, we could serve Spiked Walter Palmer. Suggestions for the recipe welcomed ... ;)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
    Instead of a Spiked Arnold Palmer, we could serve Spiked Walter Palmer. Suggestions for the recipe welcomed ... ;)
    Half lemonade, half lion piss?

    or....

    http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/recipes/a3757/red-lion-drink-recipe/
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Add immigration to the list already comprising abolition of the monarchy, meeting IRA after Brighton bomb, supporting Hamas - these are the policies which will be absolute killers for Lab under Corbyn.

    Many of his economic policies will be popular - but as soon as the public hear the above it will be absolute dynamite - key thing is they are things which the public understands very, very easily - and they will completely drown out his economic message.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quinnipiac has Trump leading the GOP race and Bush takes a narrow lead over Hillary but loses narrowly to Biden

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2264

    To me, the most interesting thing about the poll is that Kasich has moved up sufficiently to make the top ten for the debates. All the rest is for the birds at this stage.
    Indeed, I see ex-Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore is now running too, hopefully the last to enter
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/30/former-virginia-gov-gilmore-enters-white-house-race/
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
    Instead of a Spiked Arnold Palmer, we could serve Spiked Walter Palmer. Suggestions for the recipe welcomed ... ;)
    Half lemonade, half lion piss?

    or....

    http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/recipes/a3757/red-lion-drink-recipe/
    Extract his teeth with a long instrument inserted through his arse.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
    Instead of a Spiked Arnold Palmer, we could serve Spiked Walter Palmer. Suggestions for the recipe welcomed ... ;)
    Half lemonade, half lion piss?

    or....

    http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/recipes/a3757/red-lion-drink-recipe/
    I had something more like this in mind for the Spiked Walter Palmer:

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2503/3740657940_148118b830.jpg?v=0
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    RobD said:

    MP_SE said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    oh dear LOL
    Lost your pride? ;)
    I would have thought Amazon were well aware of 'pitating'isues and have them covered. meantie you cannot blame Clarkeson and Co going for the Mane Chance.
    Pirates will always find a way. Amazon will be no exception to this. Still, it will most likely do wonders for the number of Prime subscribers in the UK!
    Hasn't it been made really difficult to watch pirated media online these days? All of the dodgy streaming sites are blocked and the quality of the media on them was usually poor. Do torrents even exist any more? I only watch DVDs and some television so don't pay much attention to these things.
    It's still easy, you just have to be careful ..not that I do this.. well, actually my only bit of illicit online activity is watching BBC Daily Politics/This Week on iPlayer when not in the UK.. but who can blame me for that!! (I'd actually subscribe to iPlayer if it was an option)
    Interesting, didn't realise it still is possible/worth doing. With DVDs being so cheap it is something I havn't ever really felt the need to do.
    MikeL said:

    Add immigration to the list already comprising abolition of the monarchy, meeting IRA after Brighton bomb, supporting Hamas - these are the policies which will be absolute killers for Lab under Corbyn.

    Many of his economic policies will be popular - but as soon as the public hear the above it will be absolute dynamite - key thing is they are things which the public understands very, very easily - and they will completely drown out his economic message.

    Add the Falklands to that ever growing list.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Tim_B said:

    MTimT said:

    Fascinating interview with Camille Paglia on the GOP field and Hillary. For those who don't know her, she is a prominent 'dissident feminist' - i.e. one who clashes with most of the high priestesses of the movement - and describes her politics as Clinton Democrat libertarian. That explains why she can criticize Hillary and support some of Walker's views while still being firmly in the Democrat/Green camp.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/

    My wife and I often discuss politicians and public figures in terms of whether they would be a good dinner party guest. Clinton (Bill) and Bush (GW) both pass the test. Hillary does not. I think Paglia would be a blast.

    I doubt Walter Palmer would pass the test.
    Instead of a Spiked Arnold Palmer, we could serve Spiked Walter Palmer. Suggestions for the recipe welcomed ... ;)
    Half lemonade, half lion piss?

    or....

    http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/recipes/a3757/red-lion-drink-recipe/
    I had something more like this in mind for the Spiked Walter Palmer:

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2503/3740657940_148118b830.jpg?v=0
    Good one.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    RobD said:

    MP_SE said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    The FT thinks Amazon paid $250 million for Clarkson and co. to make 36 episodes.

    But for every pair of eyeballs that watch an episode, Amazon will get $99. As a method for boosting Prime membership, they have hit this out of the park.

    I'm happy - already a Prime member :)
    A lot of those pairs of eyeballs will pirate it :p
    You have the morals of a Minnesota dentist ;)
    You gonna take that lion down, Rob?
    He's waiting for the mane event, to ensure he has the rights claws in his contract.....
    oh dear LOL
    Lost your pride? ;)
    I would have thought Amazon were well aware of 'pitating'isues and have them covered. meantie you cannot blame Clarkeson and Co going for the Mane Chance.
    Pirates will always find a way. Amazon will be no exception to this. Still, it will most likely do wonders for the number of Prime subscribers in the UK!
    Hasn't it been made really difficult to watch pirated media online these days? All of the dodgy streaming sites are blocked and the quality of the media on them was usually poor. Do torrents even exist any more? I only watch DVDs and some television so don't pay much attention to these things.
    It's still easy, you just have to be careful ..not that I do this.. well, actually my only bit of illicit online activity is watching BBC Daily Politics/This Week on iPlayer when not in the UK.. but who can blame me for that!! (I'd actually subscribe to iPlayer if it was an option)
    Illicit progamming is easy enough (Game of Thrones is the most pirated show ever) but Netflix has a pretty substantial share of the younger market along with more familiar catchup services.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    A nice clear analysis of the Quinnipiac poll out today, care of the folks at ABC News:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/canary-coal-mine-trouble-ahead-poll-leaders-trump/story?id=32783732
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: That's what you call a big celebrity endorsement. Surprised he didn't hashtag it #burnhamsgottalent tho.. https://t.co/k9aNi0lLuf

    Do they have a shared love of make-up?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2015
    O/T:

    BBC1 primetime TV used to include shows like Tomorrow's World and Top of the Pops. Today it's programmes like "Traffic Cops". How exciting.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    CNN reporting that the Baltimore prosecutor once defended Freddie Gray. Don't have details.

    It just keeps unravelling in Baltimore.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Will Self on C4 News 'The problem with Labour is it has an unbridgeable gap between neoliberals on one extreme and Marxist entryists on another, the political system does not effectively allow all voices to be heard when racing for the middle ground'

    Will Self is on point, tbh.
    He fancies himself as an intellectual but actually talks a lot of bollocks, dressed up in pompous vocabulary.
    Surprised he doesn't post here.
    That was funny!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    By the way, I keep reading that the ethnic minority vote is "moving towards the Tories". Is this really true? Superficially it certainly doesn't seem to match up with the results in May, a good number of Labour's few gains from the Tories were in seats with a high % of ethnic minorities - obviously the London seats, but also Dewsbury and Wolverhampton SW in otherwise barren regions for Labour.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Thurs night's were massive once. I haven't watched BBC1 in years. I glance at the schedule and nothing appeals.
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    BBC1 primetime TV used to include shows like Tomorrow's World and Top of the Pops. Today it's programmes like "Traffic Cops". How exciting.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Court clears actor who accused Kenneth Clarke of sexual assault

    Ben Fellows, who alleged that former chancellor assaulted him, found not guilty of perverting the course of justice"


    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/30/actor-kenneth-clarke-sexual-assault-perverting-course-of-justice
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    News reports now saying that in addition to the 777 flaperon, the remains of a suitcase were recovered on Reunion.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,389
    edited July 2015
    redrose82 said:

    "Kinnock still holds iconic status" - what planet are you on. Here is a man who plucked defeat from the jaws of success after which he gorged himself from the Brussels trough. His is a toxic brand and anyone with aspiration should avoid him like the plague.

    I was greatly amused at Kinnocko's dramatic 3am intervention on election night when he turned up and basically accused voters of being evil, heartless, lying b*stards! :smiley:
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quinnipiac has Trump leading the GOP race and Bush takes a narrow lead over Hillary but loses narrowly to Biden

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2264

    To me, the most interesting thing about the poll is that Kasich has moved up sufficiently to make the top ten for the debates. All the rest is for the birds at this stage.
    Indeed, I see ex-Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore is now running too, hopefully the last to enter
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/30/former-virginia-gov-gilmore-enters-white-house-race/
    Personally don't see Gilmore going anywhere. In Silver's five ring circus, he has Gilmore close to where I think he belongs (I'd actually have him about a third of the distance from where Silver has him to Huckabee, moving to the overlap of Establishment and Christian Conservative). That is not a good place to be, given the numbers in each ring and his competition in his two strongest rings. Furthermore, Gilmore has been gone for sufficiently long that he is out of the public consciousness, even in VA. Remember, VA is term-limited to one 4-year term, so it is not long to build up a lasting brand - and while he was very popular in VA, I don't really think he established himself on the national scene even back then.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,389
    AndyJS said:

    "Court clears actor who accused Kenneth Clarke of sexual assault

    Ben Fellows, who alleged that former chancellor assaulted him, found not guilty of perverting the course of justice"


    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/30/actor-kenneth-clarke-sexual-assault-perverting-course-of-justice

    Hmmmmmm.....



  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,314
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: That's what you call a big celebrity endorsement. Surprised he didn't hashtag it #burnhamsgottalent tho.. https://t.co/k9aNi0lLuf

    #ComputerSaysNo
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    GIN1138 said:

    redrose82 said:

    "Kinnock still holds iconic status" - what planet are you on. Here is a man who plucked defeat from the jaws of success after which he gorged himself from the Brussels trough. His is a toxic brand and anyone with aspiration should avoid him like the plague.

    I was greatly amused at Kinnocko's dramatic 3am intervention on election night when he turned up and basically accused voters of being evil, heartless, lying b*stards! :smiley:
    It was one of the most extraordinary moments of the night.

    Neil Kinnock blaming the electorate for electing the wrong people.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    BBC1 primetime TV used to include shows like Tomorrow's World and Top of the Pops. Today it's programmes like "Traffic Cops". How exciting.

    With ground breaking programming like that, and no decent sport, it's no wonder they're terrified of revenue raising through a subscription model. No one would buy it.

    Licence fee has risen, production facilities have been slashed and programme quality has plummeted, yet managerial head counts and salaries have gone up. How interesting.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Plato said:

    Thurs night's were massive once. I haven't watched BBC1 in years. I glance at the schedule and nothing appeals.

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    BBC1 primetime TV used to include shows like Tomorrow's World and Top of the Pops. Today it's programmes like "Traffic Cops". How exciting.

    It was Top of the Pops followed by the Man from Uncle.

    Here's one for you. At the end of Top of The Pops in those days, the last credit was a silhouette of a man sitting on a bar stool with his jacket over his shoulder.

    He was the producer I think. What was his name?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    CLP nominations update - Corbyn 134 - Burnham 106 - Cooper 106 - Kendal 15.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    watford30 said:

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    BBC1 primetime TV used to include shows like Tomorrow's World and Top of the Pops. Today it's programmes like "Traffic Cops". How exciting.

    With ground breaking programming like that, and no decent sport, it's no wonder they're terrified of revenue raising through a subscription model. No one would buy it.

    Licence fee has risen, production facilities have been slashed and programme quality has plummeted, yet managerial head counts and salaries have gone up. How interesting.
    In real terms, the fee has dropped from £173 to £143 since 2008. Of course, the number of people paying it has probably increased, so that probably offsets some of the decline.
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    I see Galloway is saying he'd rejoin Labour if Corbyn wins

    Surely now the Labour members will wake up and realise they are sleepwalking off a cliff..?

    No..?

    Ha ha ha ha ha
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    edited July 2015
    @MIkeL "Add immigration to the list already comprising abolition of the monarchy, meeting IRA after Brighton bomb, supporting Hamas - these are the policies which will be absolute killers for Lab under Corbyn.

    Many of his economic policies will be popular - but as soon as the public hear the above it will be absolute dynamite - key thing is they are things which the public understands very, very easily - and they will completely drown out his economic message."

    @MP-SE "Add the Falklands to that ever growing list."

    I suspect a lot of younger people will not understand the jingoism at the time of the Falklands.

    There are about 2,900 inhabitants of the Falkland Islands. If they had been offered £100,000 each (man, woman and child) to move to a similar island in Scotland I'm sure they would have taken it. Total cost £300m. The Argentinians may even have gone 50/50 on it.

    As it was, we spent £3,000m, 255 men dead and six ships destroyed. Hard to justify in hindsight. £1m per inhabitant. One man dead (just UK) for every twelve inhabitants. Still a running sore. But it won Maggie her election.

    Corbyn is basically in favour of negotiation not war. Falklands is one failed example of war. So is Palestine. And Iraq. And Libya. Northern Ireland and Iran are successful examples of negotiation. I'm sure a lot of people will agree with Corbyn. It is not necessarily a vote-loser.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Thurs night's were massive once. I haven't watched BBC1 in years. I glance at the schedule and nothing appeals.

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    BBC1 primetime TV used to include shows like Tomorrow's World and Top of the Pops. Today it's programmes like "Traffic Cops". How exciting.

    It was Top of the Pops followed by the Man from Uncle.

    Here's one for you. At the end of Top of The Pops in those days, the last credit was a silhouette of a man sitting on a bar stool with his jacket over his shoulder.

    He was the producer I think. What was his name?
    Answered my own question - Johnnie Stewart
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It's a pity about Tomorrow's World but I suppose people got a bit too cynical to take it seriously even though it was always interesting to watch.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    But will the Blairites finally find a spine and actually fight for the Labour party they believe in to the bitter end, we saw precious little sign of one during the Brown/Miliband years? This is the moment where the Labour party are really going to realise the ongoing and sizeable loss of Scottish MP's like Murphy, Alexander, Harris etc.

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNormanS: Unhappy Blairites say leadership contest now "a battle for soul of the Labour party"

    If thats the case then maybe the Blairites might want to actually start fighting, as theres not much of it from them at the moment.
    No way is Corbyn going to stand down now with the level of Labour grass roots and Union support that is now gathered behind him. And to think that he only threw his name into the hat because it was his turn within the ultra left awkward squad. I see that George Galloway is now contemplating a return to the Labour party if they will have him if Corbyn wins, something that would probable have been impossible under just about any other elected Labour Leader....

    Good on you Don - I take it you don't think there's any chance of Corbyn withdrawing?

    Someone on the Mumsnet Q&A asked Jeremy if he'd "do the decent thing" (their words not mine) and stand down. This is what he said in response:

    "Thanks. Can I pose a question back to you. What would be decent about removing myself from a process in which many people have put in a huge amount of time and energy to develop a good, decent alternative political strategy for our party?"

    He's not going to withdraw. Besides, if he were going to he'd only have a week at most in which to do it, since ballot papers will be printed soon.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    Barnesian said:

    @MIkeL "Add immigration to the list already comprising abolition of the monarchy, meeting IRA after Brighton bomb, supporting Hamas - these are the policies which will be absolute killers for Lab under Corbyn.

    Many of his economic policies will be popular - but as soon as the public hear the above it will be absolute dynamite - key thing is they are things which the public understands very, very easily - and they will completely drown out his economic message."

    @MP-SE "Add the Falklands to that ever growing list."

    I suspect a lot of younger people will not understand the jingoism at the time of the Falklands.

    There are about 2,900 inhabitants of the Falkland Islands. If they had been offered £100,000 each (man, woman and child) to move to a similar island in Scotland I'm sure they would have taken it. Total cost £300m. The Argentinians may even have gone 50/50 on it.

    As it was, we spent £3,000m, 255 men dead and six ships destroyed. Hard to justify in hindsight. £1m per inhabitant. One man dead (just UK) for every twelve inhabitants. Still a running sore. But it won Maggie her election.

    Corbyn is basically in favour of negotiation not war. Falklands is one failed example of war. So is Palestine. And Iraq. And Libya. Northern Ireland and Iran are successful examples of negotiation. I'm sure a lot of people will agree with Corbyn. It is not necessarily a vote-loser.

    Why do we have to negotiate in the first place? The islanders don't want to leave, and we shouldn't have to bribe them to leave.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    justin124 said:

    CLP nominations update - Corbyn 134 - Burnham 106 - Cooper 106 - Kendal 15.

    Corbyn opening up a significant gap and heading towards 40%. If CLPs are indicative of ordinary Labour members it's looking good for him.

    And that's before we factor in the 'entryists'...
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Barnesian said:

    @MIkeL "Add immigration to the list already comprising abolition of the monarchy, meeting IRA after Brighton bomb, supporting Hamas - these are the policies which will be absolute killers for Lab under Corbyn.

    Many of his economic policies will be popular - but as soon as the public hear the above it will be absolute dynamite - key thing is they are things which the public understands very, very easily - and they will completely drown out his economic message."

    @MP-SE "Add the Falklands to that ever growing list."

    I suspect a lot of younger people will not understand the jingoism at the time of the Falklands.

    There are about 2,900 inhabitants of the Falkland Islands. If they had been offered £100,000 each (man, woman and child) to move to a similar island in Scotland I'm sure they would have taken it. Total cost £300m. The Argentinians may even have gone 50/50 on it.

    As it was, we spent £3,000m, 255 men dead and six ships destroyed. Hard to justify in hindsight. £1m per inhabitant. One man dead (just UK) for every twelve inhabitants. Still a running sore. But it won Maggie her election.

    Corbyn is basically in favour of negotiation not war. Falklands is one failed example of war. So is Palestine. And Iraq. And Libya. Northern Ireland and Iran are successful examples of negotiation. I'm sure a lot of people will agree with Corbyn. It is not necessarily a vote-loser.



    We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
       No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
       And the nation that plays it is lost!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    AndyJS said:

    It's a pity about Tomorrow's World but I suppose people got a bit too cynical to take it seriously even though it was always interesting to watch.

    How could you be cynical about Raymond Baxter?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Barnesian said:

    @MIkeL "Add immigration to the list already comprising abolition of the monarchy, meeting IRA after Brighton bomb, supporting Hamas - these are the policies which will be absolute killers for Lab under Corbyn.

    Many of his economic policies will be popular - but as soon as the public hear the above it will be absolute dynamite - key thing is they are things which the public understands very, very easily - and they will completely drown out his economic message."

    @MP-SE "Add the Falklands to that ever growing list."

    I suspect a lot of younger people will not understand the jingoism at the time of the Falklands.

    There are about 2,900 inhabitants of the Falkland Islands. If they had been offered £100,000 each (man, woman and child) to move to a similar island in Scotland I'm sure they would have taken it.

    .

    Bolleaux.

    None of it was a waste of time, money and effort.

    As a side effect, Naval Architects learned a huge amount about ship design and fire proofing that has and will save many lives. And the Soviets got a nasty wake up call - they were surprised by how much Britain managed to achieve with such relatively little, and did some serious thinking.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    RodCrosby said:

    justin124 said:

    CLP nominations update - Corbyn 134 - Burnham 106 - Cooper 106 - Kendal 15.

    Corbyn opening up a significant gap and heading towards 40%. If CLPs are indicative of ordinary Labour members it's looking good for him.

    And that's before we factor in the 'entryists'...
    Perhaps also some sign of momentum for Cooper . I think it is the first time she has been level with Burnham.
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