Communication Workers Union (CWU) endorsing Corbyn, it's a big one, 204,500 members.
Again, Labour affiliated so they can all sign up for free and take part in the leadership election. I wonder how many of the almost ¼ million union members announced today alone will be encouraged to vote for theirs union bosses preferred candidate?
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
No need to highlight how badly Westminster's infrastructure planning has always neglected Scotland, they can go up the west coast.
There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...
...since 2008!
1 lane heading north, and 6 south.
6 south? Oh! Have they closed 4 of the southbound lanes then?
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
Still making excuses for people trying to enter this country illegally?
Still distorting what I write?
Understanding someone's motives is not condoning their actions.
The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.
They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.
And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....
The ones at Calais will be amongst the fittest, resourceful, relatively wealthy and most physically capable (some might say aggressive) of those in their countries of origin.
The most desperate and disadvantaged cases, in most need of asylum or help, are probably still in their home countries.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
No need to highlight how badly Westminster's infrastructure planning has always neglected Scotland, they can go up the west coast.
There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Proof that some on our planet are descendants of the occupants of the Golgafrincham "B" Ark.
A very large majority of our political class seem to be B Ark people, its almost a required qualification these days.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.
They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.
And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....
The ones at Calais will be amongst the fittest, resourceful, relatively wealthy and most physically capable (some might say aggressive) of those in their countries of origin.
The most desperate and disadvantaged cases, in most need of asylum or help, are probably still in their home countries.
In any other circumstances, you'd expect the Left to say these migrants embody the worst excesses of the "I'm alright Jack" out-for-all-I-can-get-for-me opportunism of the right. They literally trample over asylum seekers, for Gods sake.
Not the most consistent bunch, are they, these Lefties?
Understanding someone's motives is not condoning their actions.
Excellent comment. I sometimes think that there should be a "new posters" guide or something which could include a few pearls of wisdom like this as a standard piece of guidance to forum etiquette.
(Maybe the guide could include something about AV as well)
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
50 to Moeen Ali! (only 66 balls) I'm really pleased or the lad. He frequently chips in with valuable runs and/or wickets. If I were picking the team he'd be one of the first names down on the team sheet.
BBC - President Obama has signed an executive order calling for the US to build the world's fastest computer by 2025. - The supercomputer would be 20 times quicker than the current leading machine, which is in China.
They may both be new players, but this reminds me of Reagan’s 'Star Wars' programme.
If Labour wonder why lost the GE, you only have to hear the faux outrage of Harman and Burnham banging on about how disgusting it is the Cameron used the word "swarm" as part of a much longer and wider statement.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
Understanding someone's motives is not condoning their actions.
Excellent comment. I sometimes think that there should be a "new posters" guide or something which could include a few pearls of wisdom like this as a standard piece of guidance to forum etiquette.
(Maybe the guide could include something about AV as well)
One of the Sunday threads will be an opus about the Salisbury-Addison convention. I might segue in a section about AV/electoral reform.
Listening to TMS is a reminder of what a special sporting event the Ashes is, utterly enthralling. Shove your 20 over bashes, this is cricket, sport even, at its very best.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
I'm not sure: why build a camp? Why not arrest all of those who get on the tracks and put put them in prison? Why not process their claims? Sure, the French are suffering. But they seem also to be signalling to the migrants that this is the camp they need to get to to plant their attempts. They are not doing nearly enough to protect drivers or a major piece of trasport infrastructure and some of their spokesment seem to be suggesting it is our fault. I wonder whether they are doing the minimum they can get away with in the hope that Britain relents and the problem goes away.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
BBC - President Obama has signed an executive order calling for the US to build the world's fastest computer by 2025. - The supercomputer would be 20 times quicker than the current leading machine, which is in China.
They may both be new players, but this reminds me of Reagan’s 'Star Wars' programme.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Remind me how we exported goods before the tunnel was built. Oh yes, ferries.
Eurotunnel have only recently gone into profit; disgruntled hauliers moving freight elsewhere will see that they go back into the red soon enough.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Remind me how we exported goods before the tunnel was built.
Remind me are we exporting the same amount then and do we have the same amount of alternative transport like ferries etc available now?
This is the reason why people are going for Corbyn. The other candidates are steeped in this vacuous, meaningless, drivel.
Yes, indeed. I'm still leaning towards Stella, but that article really worried me, it's the type of vacuous guff which Kendall would be proud of.
This is the problem with Labour obsessively clinging to the "centre ground": if they're shirking all the big "left-wing" concepts, it leaves them with nothing to bloody say that would be of interest or even understandable to the average voter.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Remind me how we exported goods before the tunnel was built. Oh yes, ferries.
Eurotunnel have only recently gone into profit; disgruntled hauliers moving freight elsewhere will see that they go back into the red soon enough.
Do you really think we have:
a) The same number of ferries or b) The same quantity of goods
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Why not? The amount of illegal migrants from Mexico to the US isn't 149 a day. It is over ten times that on a daily basis.
This spike is not our average but if it happens then life still goes on.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
That would mean they'd try even harder not to get caught and work in the black market, it wouldn't stop them coming.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
That would mean they'd try even harder not to get caught and work in the black market, it wouldn't stop them coming.
Bigger fines etc for hiring black market labour ? Jail perhaps - would sharpen minds.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
That would mean they'd try even harder not to get caught and work in the black market, it wouldn't stop them coming.
Why not tear down all the fences and open the border up completely then?
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
Oi, hands off St. Helena! Far too pleasant a place to mess with.
And South Georgia - nope.
Ascension, on the other hand.... As long as they can't get to interfere with the tern colonies, or the turtles coming ashore to lay their eggs. Best keep them confined to a camp at the end of the runway.
They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.
Just checking the Amazon reviews for the Diary of Anne Frank to see if you'd posted this comment there as well, and it doesn't look like you have, although I did find this comment:
Lousy ending....All of a sudden, end of book! Thought there would be more, very disappointed.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
I have no great issue with putting people somewhere inhospitable while claims are being processed.
However, I think we have to remember that there would be enormous economic damage from shutting the tunnel, not least because the number of ferries in service in the channel is down more than 70% from pre Chunnel days.
My view is that we need to think holistically. As we have discovered with drug policies, just making punishments more severe is not in itself effective.
Our number one priority should be to lower the incentive for people to come here illegally.
These people are economically rational. The incentives should be such that Britain does not look like such an attractive place to be an illegal immigrant. If you do that, you dramatically reduce the need for barbed wire, and water cannons, and the like.
This is the reason why people are going for Corbyn. The other candidates are steeped in this vacuous, meaningless, drivel.
Yes, indeed. I'm still leaning towards Stella, but that article really worried me, it's the type of vacuous guff which Kendall would be proud of.
"For someone so focused on the future, it may be confusing that my inspiration is the tradition of mutualism. But in this epoch of rapid change, never more have we needed an operating system for social justice that starts not with servicing institutions, but empowering individuals and collective organising." Stella Creasey
I just took out this one phrase. And for that load old bollox Stella- fraid I'm out.
The prospect of Angela Eagle winning as Henry alluded to earlier is truly terrifying mind. To quote the legendary Geoffrey Boycott- my grandmother Doris is more lively and charismatic- and she's been dead thirty years.
It does seem rather unfair, that I as a legitimate traveller crossing the border, am required to hand over a valid passport, have my car swabbed for explosives, and possibly searched for contraband whilst many consider it perfectly acceptable for 149 'criminals' to swarm into the UK.
Off topic, given the ashes are on what are peoples thoughts on the best test match ground?
Having been to most of them, Trent Bridge always seems to be the perfect mix of atmosphere and tradition, plus that lovely pavilion!
Either Headingley or Old Trafford would probably be the worst I've visited.
Depends what you are after - Edgbaston is my least favourite. Lords is a pretty sterile environment and is eye wateringly expensive. Trent Bridge and Headingley are good fun - haven't been to OT since they build the new stand and turned the pitch around.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
Oi, hands off St. Helena! Far too pleasant a place to mess with.
And South Georgia - nope.
Ascension, on the other hand.... As long as they can't get to interfere with the tern colonies, or the turtles coming ashore to lay their eggs. Best keep them confined to a camp at the end of the runway.
Listen: if my 4-greats-granddad had to endure 6 years there then this lot can be interned there as well! They can do something useful like gardening.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
I have no great issue with putting people somewhere inhospitable while claims are being processed.
However, I think we have to remember that there would be enormous economic damage from shutting the tunnel, not least because the number of ferries in service in the channel is down more than 70% from pre Chunnel days.
My view is that we need to think holistically. As we have discovered with drug policies, just making punishments more severe is not in itself effective.
Our number one priority should be to lower the incentive for people to come here illegally.
These people are economically rational. The incentives should be such that Britain does not look like such an attractive place to be an illegal immigrant. If you do that, you dramatically reduce the need for barbed wire, and water cannons, and the like.
The other side of that is to make the places that they are leaving more attractive (and thus lower the difference). Harder to do, but a large part of the issue of numbers is Syria + Libya + Eritrea all being Civil War basketcases at the same time.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
That would mean they'd try even harder not to get caught and work in the black market, it wouldn't stop them coming.
No one solution is the answer or perfect. I agree with RCS that there needs to be a range of solutions. But saying that because one doesn't work means you should do nothing is pathetic. Australia has largely resolved its problem. So maybe we need to stop talking and do as much as possible. Because the current situation is unsustainable and the option of letting everyone in from the rest of the world, as if we were the USA ca. 1840 is from Planet La-La.
The incentives should be such that Britain does not look like such an attractive place to be an illegal immigrant. If you do that, you dramatically reduce the need for barbed wire, and water cannons, and the like.
Completely agree, but it will take courage. 1. Change rules on welfare benefits where necessary, and be prepared to stand up to possible EU outrage/threats. 2. Be serious about tackling the employment of illegals. 3. Process all claims quickly and demonstrably fairly. 4. Be serious with the "human rights" industry 5. and most importantly... be proactive about finding and welcoming a significant number of genuinely desperate people (abandoned women with a couple of kids, Syrian Christians etc) to demonstrate humanitarian credentials.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
That would mean they'd try even harder not to get caught and work in the black market, it wouldn't stop them coming.
Why not tear down all the fences and open the border up completely then?
Because there's no middle ground between doing nothing and doing something extreme?
It does seem rather unfair, that I as a legitimate traveller crossing the border, am required to hand over a valid passport, have my car swabbed for explosives, and possibly searched for contraband whilst many consider it perfectly acceptable for 149 'criminals' to swarm into the UK.
I can't be the only person questioning the logic.
No certainly not- you've pretty much got the fifth Reich of the pb fraternity behind you, apart from a couple of exceptions
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...
I've spent far too much of my life on the M1/M62/M621/A1/A1(M)
But getting from Dover to Scotland, you're best of going up the A1/A1(M)
The A1 is a bit rubbish between Letchworth and Doncaster, still a few roundabouts and at-grade junctions.
And god knows what they've done to the Black Cat but it is a shocker now.
Peterborough through to Newcastle is a decent drive nowerdays and the M1 is full of 50 limits while they widen it. Plus some decent pubs along the A1 to break the journey
It does seem rather unfair, that I as a legitimate traveller crossing the border, am required to hand over a valid passport, have my car swabbed for explosives, and possibly searched for contraband whilst many consider it perfectly acceptable for 149 'criminals' to swarm into the UK.
I can't be the only person questioning the logic.
No certainly not- you've pretty much got the fifth Reich of the pb fraternity behind you, apart from a couple of exceptions
Turfed out the tenants to house some desperate migrants yet? Or are those juicy BTL rent payments too attractive to wave bye bye to?
The incentives should be such that Britain does not look like such an attractive place to be an illegal immigrant. If you do that, you dramatically reduce the need for barbed wire, and water cannons, and the like.
Completely agree, but it will take courage. 1. Change rules on welfare benefits where necessary, and be prepared to stand up to possible EU outrage/threats. 2. Be serious about tackling the employment of illegals. 3. Process all claims quickly and demonstrably fairly. 4. Be serious with the "human rights" industry 5. and most importantly... be proactive about finding and welcoming a significant number of genuinely desperate people (abandoned women with a couple of kids, Syrian Christians etc) to demonstrate humanitarian credentials.
The single most important thing is to clamp down on the labour blackmarket. These guys don't come here to earn £37/week and live 16 to a room in a dormitory in a asylum centre.
They want to get to London and work illegally in a restaraunt or at a minicab office or on a building site, where they get £300 cash in hand.
Having heard all of what Cameron said, I don't actually see the issue with his statement. That said, I didn't see the problem with Harman's statement - Burnham's tweet is probably more 'out of touch'.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
There are British border controls at Calais. They're trying to evade them.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Remind me how we exported goods before the tunnel was built. Oh yes, ferries. Eurotunnel have only recently gone into profit; disgruntled hauliers moving freight elsewhere will see that they go back into the red soon enough.
Lots of hysteria here. The French government is currently surviving this massive inflow of illegal immigrants. As is the Italian one. There are of course other ports besides Dover and our major exporting ports are elsewhere as well - and they use massive container ships - not ferries. The local economies of Dover and Calais are suffering I would guess.
It does seem rather unfair, that I as a legitimate traveller crossing the border, am required to hand over a valid passport, have my car swabbed for explosives, and possibly searched for contraband whilst many consider it perfectly acceptable for 149 'criminals' to swarm into the UK.
I can't be the only person questioning the logic.
No certainly not- you've pretty much got the fifth Reich of the pb fraternity behind you, apart from a couple of exceptions
Whereas you seem to think that those who do the right thing and comply with the law are mugs to be sneered at.
The incentives should be such that Britain does not look like such an attractive place to be an illegal immigrant. If you do that, you dramatically reduce the need for barbed wire, and water cannons, and the like.
Completely agree, but it will take courage. 1. Change rules on welfare benefits where necessary, and be prepared to stand up to possible EU outrage/threats. 2. Be serious about tackling the employment of illegals. 3. Process all claims quickly and demonstrably fairly. 4. Be serious with the "human rights" industry 5. and most importantly... be proactive about finding and welcoming a significant number of genuinely desperate people (abandoned women with a couple of kids, Syrian Christians etc) to demonstrate humanitarian credentials.
The single most important thing is to clamp down on the labour blackmarket. These guys don't come here to earn £37/week and live 16 to a room in a dormitory in a asylum centre.
They want to get to London and work illegally in a restaraunt or at a minicab office or on a building site, where they get £300 cash in hand.
Yep. Mega fine for first offence and prison term for second for those employing illegal labour.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...
The incentives should be such that Britain does not look like such an attractive place to be an illegal immigrant. If you do that, you dramatically reduce the need for barbed wire, and water cannons, and the like.
Completely agree, but it will take courage. 1. Change rules on welfare benefits where necessary, and be prepared to stand up to possible EU outrage/threats. 2. Be serious about tackling the employment of illegals. 3. Process all claims quickly and demonstrably fairly. 4. Be serious with the "human rights" industry 5. and most importantly... be proactive about finding and welcoming a significant number of genuinely desperate people (abandoned women with a couple of kids, Syrian Christians etc) to demonstrate humanitarian credentials.
The single most important thing is to clamp down on the labour blackmarket. These guys don't come here to earn £37/week and live 16 to a room in a dormitory in a asylum centre.
They want to get to London and work illegally in a restaraunt or at a minicab office or on a building site, where they get £300 cash in hand.
Yep. Mega fine for first offence and prison term for second for those employing illegal labour.
100% agreed. But not just for illegal immigrants but for cash in hand for legal residents (who then continue to claim benefits pretending to be unemployed) too.
There was an interesting question at lunch time on TMS. Apparently it is perfectly within the rules for a batsman to wear a smart watch and get info from the team.
Given what has just happened you would think that the obvious use would be for the team analyst to review the delivery immediately and message to review or not.
Have they got past the French border controls (that come before our ones), then?
Don't be pedantic. They're trying to avoid any border controls at all.
I'm not being pedantic - much as I enjoy pedantry. My point is that the French are, by and large, bearing the brunt of the onslaught (even swarm) of illegal immigrants. And they deserve credit for the way they are handling this.
They have got through. 149 reached English soil on just Monday night. The French authorities are doing a crap job. Now the migrants are using the swarm tactics we could have thousands getting here by the end of the year.
If The Swarm continues and those numbers keep getting through, the Tunnel will be closed. No government could survive the fallout from such a massive, obvious and continued breach of the UK border.
Nor can any government survive the fallout from firms being unable to export their products.
Of course. There were no exports before the tunnel was built.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
That would mean they'd try even harder not to get caught and work in the black market, it wouldn't stop them coming.
Why not tear down all the fences and open the border up completely then?
Because there's no middle ground between doing nothing and doing something extreme?
The incentives should be such that Britain does not look like such an attractive place to be an illegal immigrant. If you do that, you dramatically reduce the need for barbed wire, and water cannons, and the like.
Completely agree, but it will take courage. 1. Change rules on welfare benefits where necessary, and be prepared to stand up to possible EU outrage/threats. 2. Be serious about tackling the employment of illegals. 3. Process all claims quickly and demonstrably fairly. 4. Be serious with the "human rights" industry 5. and most importantly... be proactive about finding and welcoming a significant number of genuinely desperate people (abandoned women with a couple of kids, Syrian Christians etc) to demonstrate humanitarian credentials.
The single most important thing is to clamp down on the labour blackmarket. These guys don't come here to earn £37/week and live 16 to a room in a dormitory in a asylum centre.
They want to get to London and work illegally in a restaraunt or at a minicab office or on a building site, where they get £300 cash in hand.
Yep. Mega fine for first offence and prison term for second for those employing illegal labour.
From gov.uk:
"If you’re caught employing an illegal worker You’ll get a ‘referral notice’ to let you know that:
your case is being considered you may get a fine (also known as a civil penalty) of up to £20,000 for each illegal worker You won’t have to pay a fine if you can show a valid reason for employing an illegal worker."
1. Hollande breaking ranks with Merkel over Greece is a gift to Le Pen. Massively increases the chances that Melechant (?sp Commie) voters will break for Le Pen rather than Hollande if they have that choice in the second round. There is a real risk that if Hollande makes it through to the second round (ie if the UMP don't get their act sorted) that Le Pen could win
2. The French have said that the migrants in Calais are a British problem and the border should be moved to make that clear. He felt the most equitable answer was for Britain to reaffirm its historical ownership of the town and surrounding region, thereby confirming that it is a British problem*
There was an interesting question at lunch time on TMS. Apparently it is perfectly within the rules for a batsman to wear a smart watch and get info from the team.
Given what has just happened you would think that the obvious use would be for the team analyst to review the delivery immediately and message to review or not.
Bit of an ask, only got 15 seconds from the decision...
Over almost 10 years, the Scottish Labour party slowly fell into disrepute and the UK Labour Leaders watched it happen through the Scottish election losses of 2007, then 2011 and finally the near wipe out of 2015. They were by standers at the car crash and failed to intervene.
Now we are watching the main, English, part of the Labour party slide into chaos and anarchy as it is inevitably taken over by the hard left who control the purse strings of its paymasters with a wave of student rebels. Roughly 10 years ago the Unions became the providors again of 2/3 of Labour's donations. That change has been the elephant in the room for Labour.
Extraordinary to watch. Meanwhile Harman, Cooper and Burnham etc seem to be oblivious to the changes that are under way. Just as they and the Ed Miliband "team" and Brown's team before that, watched the near death of SLAB so they watch the inevitable near death of the English Labour party.
It does seem rather unfair, that I as a legitimate traveller crossing the border, am required to hand over a valid passport, have my car swabbed for explosives, and possibly searched for contraband whilst many consider it perfectly acceptable for 149 'criminals' to swarm into the UK.
I can't be the only person questioning the logic.
No certainly not- you've pretty much got the fifth Reich of the pb fraternity behind you, apart from a couple of exceptions
Only one extremist on here pal,the one who thinks Norwich is to white and wants open borders to all the world.
There was an interesting question at lunch time on TMS. Apparently it is perfectly within the rules for a batsman to wear a smart watch and get info from the team.
Given what has just happened you would think that the obvious use would be for the team analyst to review the delivery immediately and message to review or not.
Bit of an ask, only got 15 seconds from the decision...
Not at all...use automated instant messaging technology, doesn't take 15s to look at the video clip.
Improve the conditions in the migrant donor states.
Educate in the migrant donor states.
Incentivise people to start business and trades in migrant donor states.
Use overseas aid budget in migrant donor states.
Make it harder to claim in UK
Issue permits for a fixed term after which they will be returned to migrant donor states.
Pay a few grand, repatriate and make them wealthy in migrant donor states.
The loss of the motivated, resourceful and fit is detrimental to migrant donor states. A loss of a large quantity of young fit males is not helping local economic performance long term (applies to Poland and EU migration in particular as well as African, Asian and other regions).
Identify point of origin from DNA profile, don't accept no documentation as an impediment to repatriation to migrant donor states.
Allowing illegal immigration allows unscrupulous people to take advantage of the migrants for years to come. Stopping illegal immigration is important for the migrants.
What other collective noun would be acceptable instead of 'Swarm'?
Is the era of politically correct language drawing to a close?
Will Jo or Joe average be outraged by the use of swarm when they are fawning over the 'authenticity' of speech from Mr J Corbyn?
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Oh! Have they closed 4 of the southbound lanes then?
Understanding someone's motives is not condoning their actions.
The most desperate and disadvantaged cases, in most need of asylum or help, are probably still in their home countries.
We'd have swarms of Jocks queuing up at the Northumbrian and Cumbrian border by now.
Look on the bright side, things could be worse.
Ilford North CLP - Kendall
Ilford South CLP - Corbyn
In spite of Mike Gapes, MP for South, endorsing Kendall!
Not the most consistent bunch, are they, these Lefties?
I sometimes think that there should be a "new posters" guide or something which could include a few pearls of wisdom like this as a standard piece of guidance to forum etiquette.
(Maybe the guide could include something about AV as well)
Still no excuse, they are descended from convicts, we are the country of fair play.
We should aim for better.
He's going to have to keep the right wing psychosis in check.
No coincidence we have a terrible record at Lords - makes the Emirates look like Millwall.
I'm really pleased or the lad. He frequently chips in with valuable runs and/or wickets.
If I were picking the team he'd be one of the first names down on the team sheet.
They may both be new players, but this reminds me of Reagan’s 'Star Wars' programme.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33718311
'Ou est le papier'
O/T- I was going to going to vote for Stella Creasey until I read this load of old nonsense on the Guardian site
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/26/labour-party-give-people-hope
This is the reason why people are going for Corbyn. The other candidates are steeped in this vacuous, meaningless, drivel.
Yeah right. Warhead design.
Eurotunnel have only recently gone into profit; disgruntled hauliers moving freight elsewhere will see that they go back into the red soon enough.
This is the problem with Labour obsessively clinging to the "centre ground": if they're shirking all the big "left-wing" concepts, it leaves them with nothing to bloody say that would be of interest or even understandable to the average voter.
a) The same number of ferries
or
b) The same quantity of goods
So no UKBA people working in the camp after all ?
This spike is not our average but if it happens then life still goes on.
Closing the tunnel is an extremis solution. Electric fencing round the entrance and water cannon should be tried before that. But if we're determined to stop this then we have to be prepared to consider all measures. Personally, I think putting migrants on one of our more remote islands in the mid-Atlantic while their claims are processed should be considered. If it was good enough for Napoleon then it's good enough for a load of illegal migrants. If people realised that being taken in by Britain meant being taken to a far flung outpost of what remains of the British Empire, they might think again.
Having been to most of them, Trent Bridge always seems to be the perfect mix of atmosphere and tradition, plus that lovely pavilion!
Either Headingley or Old Trafford would probably be the worst I've visited.
Draw lay at 30 is FREEEE money.
And South Georgia - nope.
Ascension, on the other hand.... As long as they can't get to interfere with the tern colonies, or the turtles coming ashore to lay their eggs. Best keep them confined to a camp at the end of the runway.
However, I think we have to remember that there would be enormous economic damage from shutting the tunnel, not least because the number of ferries in service in the channel is down more than 70% from pre Chunnel days.
My view is that we need to think holistically. As we have discovered with drug policies, just making punishments more severe is not in itself effective.
Our number one priority should be to lower the incentive for people to come here illegally.
These people are economically rational. The incentives should be such that Britain does not look like such an attractive place to be an illegal immigrant. If you do that, you dramatically reduce the need for barbed wire, and water cannons, and the like.
In England & Wales, it has to be Headingley, have you been to Old Trafford since they turned the pitch around?
Oval is pretty nice too.
"For someone so focused on the future, it may be confusing that my inspiration is the tradition of mutualism. But in this epoch of rapid change, never more have we needed an operating system for social justice that starts not with servicing institutions, but empowering individuals and collective organising." Stella Creasey
I just took out this one phrase. And for that load old bollox Stella- fraid I'm out.
The prospect of Angela Eagle winning as Henry alluded to earlier is truly terrifying mind. To quote the legendary Geoffrey Boycott- my grandmother Doris is more lively and charismatic- and she's been dead thirty years.
I can't be the only person questioning the logic.
1. Change rules on welfare benefits where necessary, and be prepared to stand up to possible EU outrage/threats.
2. Be serious about tackling the employment of illegals.
3. Process all claims quickly and demonstrably fairly.
4. Be serious with the "human rights" industry
5. and most importantly... be proactive about finding and welcoming a significant number of genuinely desperate people (abandoned women with a couple of kids, Syrian Christians etc) to demonstrate humanitarian credentials.
They want to get to London and work illegally in a restaraunt or at a minicab office or on a building site, where they get £300 cash in hand.
There are of course other ports besides Dover and our major exporting ports are elsewhere as well - and they use massive container ships - not ferries. The local economies of Dover and Calais are suffering I would guess.
2.00 am may have something to do with it!
Given what has just happened you would think that the obvious use would be for the team analyst to review the delivery immediately and message to review or not.
"If you’re caught employing an illegal worker
You’ll get a ‘referral notice’ to let you know that:
your case is being considered
you may get a fine (also known as a civil penalty) of up to £20,000 for each illegal worker
You won’t have to pay a fine if you can show a valid reason for employing an illegal worker."
Doesn't sound too serious, currently.
Two points of interest:
1. Hollande breaking ranks with Merkel over Greece is a gift to Le Pen. Massively increases the chances that Melechant (?sp Commie) voters will break for Le Pen rather than Hollande if they have that choice in the second round. There is a real risk that if Hollande makes it through to the second round (ie if the UMP don't get their act sorted) that Le Pen could win
2. The French have said that the migrants in Calais are a British problem and the border should be moved to make that clear. He felt the most equitable answer was for Britain to reaffirm its historical ownership of the town and surrounding region, thereby confirming that it is a British problem*
No sympathy for anybody who bought Sunday tickets. Who buys 5th day tickets these days?
Now we are watching the main, English, part of the Labour party slide into chaos and anarchy as it is inevitably taken over by the hard left who control the purse strings of its paymasters with a wave of student rebels. Roughly 10 years ago the Unions became the providors again of 2/3 of Labour's donations. That change has been the elephant in the room for Labour.
Extraordinary to watch. Meanwhile Harman, Cooper and Burnham etc seem to be oblivious to the changes that are under way. Just as they and the Ed Miliband "team" and Brown's team before that, watched the near death of SLAB so they watch the inevitable near death of the English Labour party.
Improve the conditions in the migrant donor states.
Educate in the migrant donor states.
Incentivise people to start business and trades in migrant donor states.
Use overseas aid budget in migrant donor states.
Make it harder to claim in UK
Issue permits for a fixed term after which they will be returned to migrant donor states.
Pay a few grand, repatriate and make them wealthy in migrant donor states.
The loss of the motivated, resourceful and fit is detrimental to migrant donor states. A loss of a large quantity of young fit males is not helping local economic performance long term (applies to Poland and EU migration in particular as well as African, Asian and other regions).
Identify point of origin from DNA profile, don't accept no documentation as an impediment to repatriation to migrant donor states.
Allowing illegal immigration allows unscrupulous people to take advantage of the migrants for years to come. Stopping illegal immigration is important for the migrants.
What other collective noun would be acceptable instead of 'Swarm'?
Is the era of politically correct language drawing to a close?
Will Jo or Joe average be outraged by the use of swarm when they are fawning over the 'authenticity' of speech from Mr J Corbyn?