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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    edited July 2015
    Nigel Farage has said be would not describe migrants as "swarms", just hours after doing so.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-07-30/farage-caught-out-over-swarms-of-migrants-comment/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157
    edited July 2015
    No sympathy for people trying to enter this country illegally.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Many people will agree with the use of the word - a 'swarm' of foreign criminals. Yep, sounds about right.

    Lots will be using even stronger terms.

    The metropolitan elite, and hand wringing, guilt ridden liberals risk looking completely out of touch.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I see nothing wrong with using *swarm* to describe the tactics used by the Chunnelists. That's what they did in an attempt [in some cases successful] to overrun the border security staff.

    Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about passengers boarding the Outrage Bus on this one.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    I’d of thought the vast majority without a political agenda would regard ‘swarm’ as exactly the word to describe what it is.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    A UKIP policy I fully endorse, conquering France

    @RogerHelmerMEP: Calais was British until 1558. Maybe it's time to take it back.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    FPT,

    So what do we get from Labour about Calais. A workable solution? Oh, no, they raise their skirts and run shrieking away ...

    "Swarming! He said a naughty word! Oh! Oh! Oh!"

    Reminiscent of the Jehovah sketch in 'Life of Brian.'

    Welcome to the Kindergarten.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Utterly ridiculous, he didn't swear or call names, swarm is hardly an offensive word. Typical faux outrage to deflect from a very serious situation.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,966
    "Swarm" was entirely appropriate. Not a mistake at all.
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.

    Utterly pathetic.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Look Squirrel!!!!
    CD13 said:

    FPT,

    So what do we get from Labour about Calais. A workable solution? Oh, no, they raise their skirts and run shrieking away ...

    "Swarming! He said a naughty word! Oh! Oh! Oh!"

    Reminiscent of the Jehovah sketch in 'Life of Brian.'

    Welcome to the Kindergarten.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Nobody brave enough to put their name to this silly thread ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157
    Plato said:

    Look Squirrel!!!!

    CD13 said:

    FPT,

    So what do we get from Labour about Calais. A workable solution? Oh, no, they raise their skirts and run shrieking away ...

    "Swarming! He said a naughty word! Oh! Oh! Oh!"

    Reminiscent of the Jehovah sketch in 'Life of Brian.'

    Welcome to the Kindergarten.

    http://www.thesquirrel-coventry.co.uk/

    :)
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    edited July 2015
    Is this the LD 'outrage bus' I wonder - easy to say form Westmorland. It really is ridiculous the way political correctness is allowed by some to deflect the substantive issue. that way lies Rotherham, etc. Cameron, as so often, called this one right.

    Oops my mistake - of course I meant the LD 'outrage half-full minibus' :)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.

    Utterly pathetic.

    A Burnham esque thread .
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I think @HYUFD is trying to send back their wedding gifts...
    TGOHF said:

    We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.

    Utterly pathetic.

    A Burnham esque thread .
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: Another big endorsement for @Corbyn4Leader . The TSSA union has just decided to recommend first preferences should go to him, I'm told.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    @paulwaugh: Another big endorsement for @Corbyn4Leader . The TSSA union has just decided to recommend first preferences should go to him, I'm told.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,169
    edited July 2015

    A UKIP policy I fully endorse, conquering France

    @RogerHelmerMEP: Calais was British until 1558. Maybe it's time to take it back.

    British, eh? I wonder which stripe of government oversaw his rubbish education.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984

    A UKIP policy I fully endorse, conquering France

    @RogerHelmerMEP: Calais was British until 1558. Maybe it's time to take it back.

    British, eh? I wonder which stripe of government oversaw his rubbish education.
    I think his personal history tutor was Morris Dancer
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Don't make me laugh. Another band wagon for Labour and their fellow traveller, Farage, to jump on.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366

    I keep saying that Corbyn will never be leader.

    Now we have Labour obsessing about semantics. Perhaps, I'm totally wrong and they're desperately trying to commit suicide. Or else it's a betting scam.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Swarm is a statement of fact.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    The likes of Corbyn and Farage (both not on my planet) are flourishing in 2015, because folk are fed up with ueber polished politicians, but to be fair to the ueber polished politicians half a syllable out of place and there are loads (could've used another word) of PC types emerging from the wood work castigating them.

    No wonder we end up with drones like the other three in the Labour leadership contest. We only have ourselves to blame.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,169
    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    TGOHF said:

    Nobody brave enough to put their name to this silly thread ?

    Yes I thought that - but in their eagerness to get it out they probably forgot.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    edited July 2015
    watford30 said:

    Many people will agree with the use of the word - a 'swarm' of foreign criminals. Yep, sounds about right.

    Lots will be using even stronger terms.

    The metropolitan elite, and hand wringing, guilt ridden liberals risk looking completely out of touch.

    Indeed.

    Lefties have learned absolutely nothing from their general election humiliation.

    Try telling the people stuck in the car park on the M20 that Cameron needs to be more "careful" with his words.


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    CD13 said:


    I keep saying that Corbyn will never be leader.

    Now we have Labour obsessing about semantics. Perhaps, I'm totally wrong and they're desperately trying to commit suicide. Or else it's a betting scam.

    The greatest obsession about semantics was Bill Clinton and his definition of "is"
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: Another big endorsement for @Corbyn4Leader . The TSSA union has just decided to recommend first preferences should go to him, I'm told.

    The Transport Salaried Staffs' Association (TSSA) is a Labour affiliated union, so members can sign up for free in the leadership race. – There’s only 22,300, but every little bit helps.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243

    A UKIP policy I fully endorse, conquering France
    @RogerHelmerMEP: Calais was British until 1558. Maybe it's time to take it back.

    Crass is as crass does. If it were ours then we would have the problem of defending it instead of the French. It is entirely a French problem which significantly affects us. These people are illegal economic migrants coming into places like France. They did not transmat down to Calais. Mr Eagles is getting carried away with the hysteria of the moment.

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited July 2015
    No it damn well wasn't a mistake.

    Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    A UKIP policy I fully endorse, conquering France

    @RogerHelmerMEP: Calais was British until 1558. Maybe it's time to take it back.

    British, eh? I wonder which stripe of government oversaw his rubbish education.
    Quite right. It was never British, it was English (and Welsh) :-)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: It's a double whammy. I'm also told the CWU union has decided to endorse @Corbyn4Leader too, and with evocative language..
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243

    Nigel Farage has said be would not describe migrants as "swarms", just hours after doing so.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-07-30/farage-caught-out-over-swarms-of-migrants-comment/

    Like I said - jumping onto any passing bandwagon.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    swarm1
    [swawrm]

    Synonyms
    Examples
    Word Origin

    noun
    1.
    a body of honeybees that emigrate from a hive and fly off together, accompanied by a queen, to start a new colony.
    2.
    a body of bees settled together, as in a hive.
    3.
    a great number of things or persons, especially in motion.

    4.
    Biology. a group or aggregation of free-floating or free-swimming cells or organisms.
    5.
    Geology. a cluster of earthquakes or other geologic phenomena or features.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    Shouldn't Labour be sticking up for working class lorry drivers and hard working families wanting to have a holiday, rather than Migrants attempting to enter the country illegally?

    Then they wonder why they can't win general elections any more.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137

    @paulwaugh: Another big endorsement for @Corbyn4Leader . The TSSA union has just decided to recommend first preferences should go to him, I'm told.

    and so the insanity goes on.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Dan Hannan is spot on about BrExit, and in passing makes his pitch for a leading role in the OUT campaign.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5IxebGGJfg
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    I can't really see the problem with this. It's obvious in context he wasn't accusing them of being "subhuman" or whatever.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    And now people are outraged at a tongue in cheek tweet from a Ukip MEP. Does anybody serious believe Helmer thinks we should take back Calais?

    Childish point scoring, they say we get the politicians we deserve.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited July 2015
    Nothing wrong with the words. Swarming describes the activity fairly well, it's not a pleasant word but its not some kind of epithet. As others have said, perhaps not the sort of phrasing to encourage, but it's not the sort of comment that should have people reaching for the smelling salts. It seems as clear an example as any of a distraction technique - no one really seems to want to talk about this issue, let alone try to find a solution, so let's get angry at something inconsequential but related to it instead.

    Was it a 'mistake'? Perhaps, in terms of opening up to attack. Was it 'wrong' and 'offensive'? Not in the slightest.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Indigo said:

    No it damn well wasn't a mistake.

    Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.

    You have joined the swarms of people who suddenly transpose all, thats all, these people into being violent.
    I'm sure some are but to suggest that the majority if not all these 'thousands' are violent is somewhat over the top.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    Danny565 said:

    I can't really see the problem with this. It's obvious in context he wasn't accusing them of being "subhuman" or whatever.

    There isn't a problem. It's just faux outrage from silly lefties again...

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Seriously!?

    Of all the problems that exist in Calais and in the Med the word "swarm" being used ranks about bottom.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Nigel Farage has said be would not describe migrants as "swarms", just hours after doing so.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-07-30/farage-caught-out-over-swarms-of-migrants-comment/

    Like I said - jumping onto any passing bandwagon.
    At this rate he'll be in Coquelles tonight, greeting people as they cross the fence with a cheery handshake, and a "Welcome to Britain".
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JBeattieMirror: CWU endorses @Corbyn4Leader. "There is a virus within the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote," says @DaveWardGS
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Jason Beattie ‏@JBeattieMirror

    CWU endorses @Corbyn4Leader. "There is a virus within the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote," says @DaveWardGS



    Will no-one condemn this disgraceful use of "virus" to describe the innocent Blairites desperately camped on the outside of the race?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,966
    GIN1138 said:

    watford30 said:

    Many people will agree with the use of the word - a 'swarm' of foreign criminals. Yep, sounds about right.

    Lots will be using even stronger terms.

    The metropolitan elite, and hand wringing, guilt ridden liberals risk looking completely out of touch.

    Indeed.

    Lefties have learned absolutely nothing from their general election humiliation.

    Try telling the people stuck in the car park on the M20 that Cameron needs to be more "careful" with his words.


    More to the point, try telling it to the people in the hundred most marginal seats.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    The problem with the word 'swarm' is it has more than one meaning. So, Oxford English Dictionary says (amongst other things):

    * (allusively) of persons who leave the original body and go forth to found a new colony or community.

    * A very large or dense body or collection; a crowd, throng, multitude. (Often contemptuous.)

    Clearly the first one could work in this situation, although founding a new community might not be the main intent. It is also, I suspect, pretty archaic. The second one is how most people would interpret the word I suspect - which means we are into debates about how large the crowd has to be in order to qualify.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Endemic CJD seems to be Labour's problem right now.
    Scott_P said:

    @JBeattieMirror: CWU endorses @Corbyn4Leader. "There is a virus within the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote," says @DaveWardGS

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    CWU backing Corbyn
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    How nice of you to make excuses for people trying to enter this country illegally!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The most peculiar use of infect-and-spread was once used in my earshot by a firm of management consultants to describe how they embedded themselves in a client.

    Umm, not very attractive - but an accurate description of their tactics.

    Jason Beattie ‏@JBeattieMirror

    CWU endorses @Corbyn4Leader. "There is a virus within the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote," says @DaveWardGS



    Will no-one condemn this disgraceful use of "virus" to describe the innocent Blairites desperately camped on the outside of the race?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    edited July 2015
    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    Scott_P said:

    @JBeattieMirror: CWU endorses @Corbyn4Leader. "There is a virus within the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote," says @DaveWardGS

    Wow - what with Blair's 'heart transplants' and now Labour party 'viruses'. Labour can't really get beyond the NHS! which numpty's gonna be first to call it the 'Black death' :)
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Pretty pathetic stuff, this faux outrage about the use of a perfectly accurate term. If people want to get worked up they should be doing so about the feeble action that is being taken to combat this 'swarm'.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    edited July 2015

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    They'll be going To Hull And Back then? :smiley:

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Swarm is a pretty accurate way to describe the tactics the migrants themselves admit they are using each night at Calais.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    Pedant :)
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    No it damn well wasn't a mistake.

    Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.

    You have joined the swarms of people who suddenly transpose all, thats all, these people into being violent.
    I'm sure some are but to suggest that the majority if not all these 'thousands' are violent is somewhat over the top.
    3,500 stormed the site today trying to cross, even by your government apologist definition 3,500 is thousands, and that is just today. Storming border crossings would fit with most peoples definition of violent behaviour, you might not agree, but I wouldn't try and split those sort of hairs on the doorstep!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JBeattieMirror: CWU endorses @Corbyn4Leader. "There is a virus within the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote," says @DaveWardGS

    Wow - what with Blair's 'heart transplants' and now Labour party 'viruses'. Labour can't really get beyond the NHS! which numpty's gonna be first to call it the 'Black death' :)
    Mandelson personally signalled out as part of the virus. A proven election winning tactician whatever your politics.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157
    edited July 2015

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...


    https://www.google.com/maps/place/53°49'49.5"N+1°20'31.5"W/@53.830427,-1.34208,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=en
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    TGOHF said:

    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.

    I wonder when Corbyn will have an audience with Fidel?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    Not yet quite a swarm of people presuming, incorrectly, anyone with a particular view on a matter must be a PBTory and thus can be safely dismissed, but it is getting there.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,336
    No: he doesn't. That is what is happening. We all know - Cameron included - that they are human and desperate. Being desperate does not mean that they are right or that their demands should be met. They are people who are using illegal means to try to get into a country and are trying to use violence and intimidation and law-breaking to get their way. They are causing harm to the residents and economy of the Calais region and to people in France and the UK who are going about their lives and businesses lawfully and peacefully. I want my politicians to stand up for these people not for criminals and law-breakers.

    People are fed up with this: we understand that there are people who are genuine refugees who need help and the British have been and are a generous and welcoming nation. I am happy to have good quality legal migrants and to give shelter to genuine refugees.

    But we're not mugs and we're fed up with having our generosity abused and being taken for mugs by people who think that because they "want" (and in many cases have paid a lot of money to illegal gangs) they should "have. Well, tough. No.

    A prolonged stay while their alleged claims are processed on one of our remaining islands: St Helena, maybe, or St Georgia is all that should be offered.

    As for the tunnel, the camp should be abolished and the fencing secured. If there are prolonged and repeated attempts to breach it then maybe electric fencing is needed. These may be unpalatable options. But what is even more unpalatable is the idea that we should open ourselves up to anyone in the world who wants to come here - no matter what the wishes of the inhabitants and no matter how undesirable such "migrants" might be.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157
    You can also go via the M6 and M74 to get to Glasgow :)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,966
    GIN1138 said:

    watford30 said:

    Many people will agree with the use of the word - a 'swarm' of foreign criminals. Yep, sounds about right.

    Lots will be using even stronger terms.

    The metropolitan elite, and hand wringing, guilt ridden liberals risk looking completely out of touch.

    Indeed.

    Lefties have learned absolutely nothing from their general election humiliation.

    Try telling the people stuck in the car park on the M20 that Cameron needs to be more "careful" with his words.


    More to the point, try telling it to the people in the hundred most marginal seats.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Plato said:

    I think @HYUFD is trying to send back their wedding gifts...

    TGOHF said:

    We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.

    Utterly pathetic.

    A Burnham esque thread .
    :lol::lol:
    I made the classic mistake of drinking tea while reading a PB thread. Luckily managed to avoid the keyboard and only have to wipe tea of the computer table!
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    TGOHF said:

    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.

    Ha. You reckon any of these North London intellectuals will actually want to mix with any of the immigrants themselves?

    Using them purely for political gain whilst not giving a stuff for anyone who is actually adversely effected is the name of the game.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...


    https://www.google.com/maps/place/53°49'49.5"N+1°20'31.5"W/@53.830427,-1.34208,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=en
    Muchissimo gracias guapo!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    edited July 2015

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...


    https://www.google.com/maps/place/53°49'49.5"N+1°20'31.5"W/@53.830427,-1.34208,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=en
    I've spent far too much of my life on the M1/M62/M621/A1/A1(M)

    But getting from Dover to Scotland, you're best of going up the A1/A1(M)
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    The current immigration crisis really is exposing how completely and utterly insane the left is over the issue.

    To be fair they've had a good run out of talking complete rot and getting away with it for a couple of decades.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015

    TGOHF said:

    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.

    Ha. You reckon any of these North London intellectuals will actually want to mix with any of the immigrants themselves?

    Using them purely for political gain whilst not giving a stuff for anyone who is actually adversely effected is the name of the game.
    The Ham&High email server would explode if 3000 Eritreans set up a camp on Hampstead Heath, and started washing in Highgate ponds.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    TGOHF said:

    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.

    Ha. You reckon any of these North London intellectuals will actually want to mix with any of the immigrants themselves?

    Using them purely for political gain whilst not giving a stuff for anyone who is actually adversely effected is the name of the game.
    And learnt nothing from it.

    As long as there are threads and comments like this from leading centre-left politicians, they will stay in opposition:
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388

    TGOHF said:

    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.

    Ha. You reckon any of these North London intellectuals will actually want to mix with any of the immigrants themselves?

    Using them purely for political gain whilst not giving a stuff for anyone who is actually adversely effected is the name of the game.
    Yeah, I bet multi-millionaire socialist's like Roger don't have to run the gauntlet of Migrants when he's off to his apartment on the Cote D'Azur.

    He'd have his own private jet to get him there...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I've had many similar experiences! I think @MarqueeMark did that too me on a thread yesterday.
    Disraeli said:

    Plato said:

    I think @HYUFD is trying to send back their wedding gifts...

    TGOHF said:

    We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.

    Utterly pathetic.

    A Burnham esque thread .
    :lol::lol:
    I made the classic mistake of drinking tea while reading a PB thread. Luckily managed to avoid the keyboard and only have to wipe tea of the computer table!
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Indigo said:

    No it damn well wasn't a mistake.

    Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.

    Proof that some on our planet are descendants of the occupants of the Golgafrincham "B" Ark.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...


    https://www.google.com/maps/place/53°49'49.5"N+1°20'31.5"W/@53.830427,-1.34208,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=en
    I've spent far too much of my life on the M1/M62/M621/A1/A1(M)

    But getting from Dover to Scotland, you're best of going up the A1/A1(M)
    The A1 is a bit rubbish between Letchworth and Doncaster, still a few roundabouts and at-grade junctions.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    #OccupyHampstead

    It has a certain ring to it.
    watford30 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.

    Ha. You reckon any of these North London intellectuals will actually want to mix with any of the immigrants themselves?

    Using them purely for political gain whilst not giving a stuff for anyone who is actually adversely effected is the name of the game.
    The Ham&High email server would explode if 3000 Eritreans set up a camp on Hampstead Heath, and started washing in Highgate ponds.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Nail salon owners would be a new addition to the passenger list.
    Disraeli said:

    Indigo said:

    No it damn well wasn't a mistake.

    Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.

    Proof that some on our planet are descendants of the occupants of the Golgafrincham "B" Ark.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Indigo said:

    No it damn well wasn't a mistake.

    Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.

    Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Google definition of swarm:

    a large number of people or things.
    Eg "a swarm of journalists"


    Any journalists outraged over this?

  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:

    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.

    Ha. You reckon any of these North London intellectuals will actually want to mix with any of the immigrants themselves?

    Using them purely for political gain whilst not giving a stuff for anyone who is actually adversely effected is the name of the game.
    Yeah, I bet multi-millionaire socialist's like Roger don't have to run the gauntlet of Migrants when he's off to his apartment on the Cote D'Azur.

    He'd have his own private jet to get him there...
    The only time most of them would ever come into contact with such immigrants, is when they cross paths with the apartment block cleaner in a corridor, or are served an expensive pastry in an upmarket cafe by someone on minimum wage.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157
    rcs1000 said:

    Indigo said:

    No it damn well wasn't a mistake.

    Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.

    Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
    Still making excuses for people trying to enter this country illegally?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    So....... these economic migrants aren't swarming around the Eurotunnel area.. Of course they are. if they are swarming, they are a swarm.. this sort of politically correct nonsense detracts from what is going on. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,966
    The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.

    They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.

    And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    TGOHF said:

    Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.

    Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.

    I saw Umunna was appealing to the Labour electorate to elect someone like Renzi rather than Tsipras, as economic competence was important. If the Italian PM is the best example of a competent left winger then you are struggling!
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    No need to highlight how badly Westminster's infrastructure planning has always neglected Scotland, they can go up the west coast.

    There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...

    ...since 2008!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157
    Dair said:

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    No need to highlight how badly Westminster's infrastructure planning has always neglected Scotland, they can go up the west coast.

    There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...

    ...since 2008!
    I mentioned it upthread - M6/M74!
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015
    Dair said:

    felix said:

    A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.

    I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
    You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
    No need to highlight how badly Westminster's infrastructure planning has always neglected Scotland, they can go up the west coast.

    There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...

    ...since 2008!
    1 lane heading north, and 6 south.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.

    They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.

    And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....

    Uk freeloaders have been given a bad name by IDS's reforms - Labour are having to look further afield.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,157

    The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.

    They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.

    And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....

    So you're saying they're Opportunistic Little Sh*ts?

    :lol:
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    A swarm in a tea cup.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    The current immigration crisis really is exposing how completely and utterly insane the left is over the issue.

    To be fair they've had a good run out of talking complete rot and getting away with it for a couple of decades.

    The two comedians on immigration -

    The insane two of the left on this issue(Tyson,Roger) both live abroad.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    To be fair to Burnham, what else can he say about Calais?

    If he says they should all be welcomed into the UK, his seat is at risk, let alone his leadership ambitions.

    If he says they shouldn't be allowed in, he'll be a racist to his party.

    A good old squirrel come to the rescue.

    Come on, Jezza, go over and welcome them in personally. You'll be the only one who would get away with it.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2015

    CWU backing Corbyn

    Communication Workers Union (CWU) endorsing Corbyn, it's a big one, 204,500 members.

    Again, Labour affiliated so they can all sign up for free and take part in the leadership election. I wonder how many of the almost ¼ million union members announced today alone will be encouraged to vote for theirs union bosses preferred candidate?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,966

    The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.

    They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.

    And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....

    So you're saying they're Opportunistic Little Sh*ts?

    :lol:
    Well, since Ed left the stage, the position has been vacant.... (Although I did have Farron pencilled in for the role.)
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2015

    The current immigration crisis really is exposing how completely and utterly insane the left is over the issue.

    To be fair they've had a good run out of talking complete rot and getting away with it for a couple of decades.

    The two comedians on immigration -

    The insane two of the left on this issue(Tyson,Roger) both live abroad.
    And are cocooned from the problem by personal wealth.
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