I see nothing wrong with using *swarm* to describe the tactics used by the Chunnelists. That's what they did in an attempt [in some cases successful] to overrun the border security staff.
Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about passengers boarding the Outrage Bus on this one.
We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.
Is this the LD 'outrage bus' I wonder - easy to say form Westmorland. It really is ridiculous the way political correctness is allowed by some to deflect the substantive issue. that way lies Rotherham, etc. Cameron, as so often, called this one right.
Oops my mistake - of course I meant the LD 'outrage half-full minibus'
We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.
We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.
Now we have Labour obsessing about semantics. Perhaps, I'm totally wrong and they're desperately trying to commit suicide. Or else it's a betting scam.
The likes of Corbyn and Farage (both not on my planet) are flourishing in 2015, because folk are fed up with ueber polished politicians, but to be fair to the ueber polished politicians half a syllable out of place and there are loads (could've used another word) of PC types emerging from the wood work castigating them.
No wonder we end up with drones like the other three in the Labour leadership contest. We only have ourselves to blame.
Now we have Labour obsessing about semantics. Perhaps, I'm totally wrong and they're desperately trying to commit suicide. Or else it's a betting scam.
The greatest obsession about semantics was Bill Clinton and his definition of "is"
@paulwaugh: Another big endorsement for @Corbyn4Leader . The TSSA union has just decided to recommend first preferences should go to him, I'm told.
The Transport Salaried Staffs' Association (TSSA) is a Labour affiliated union, so members can sign up for free in the leadership race. – There’s only 22,300, but every little bit helps.
A UKIP policy I fully endorse, conquering France @RogerHelmerMEP: Calais was British until 1558. Maybe it's time to take it back.
Crass is as crass does. If it were ours then we would have the problem of defending it instead of the French. It is entirely a French problem which significantly affects us. These people are illegal economic migrants coming into places like France. They did not transmat down to Calais. Mr Eagles is getting carried away with the hysteria of the moment.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
noun 1. a body of honeybees that emigrate from a hive and fly off together, accompanied by a queen, to start a new colony. 2. a body of bees settled together, as in a hive. 3. a great number of things or persons, especially in motion. 4. Biology. a group or aggregation of free-floating or free-swimming cells or organisms. 5. Geology. a cluster of earthquakes or other geologic phenomena or features.
Shouldn't Labour be sticking up for working class lorry drivers and hard working families wanting to have a holiday, rather than Migrants attempting to enter the country illegally?
Then they wonder why they can't win general elections any more.
Nothing wrong with the words. Swarming describes the activity fairly well, it's not a pleasant word but its not some kind of epithet. As others have said, perhaps not the sort of phrasing to encourage, but it's not the sort of comment that should have people reaching for the smelling salts. It seems as clear an example as any of a distraction technique - no one really seems to want to talk about this issue, let alone try to find a solution, so let's get angry at something inconsequential but related to it instead.
Was it a 'mistake'? Perhaps, in terms of opening up to attack. Was it 'wrong' and 'offensive'? Not in the slightest.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
You have joined the swarms of people who suddenly transpose all, thats all, these people into being violent. I'm sure some are but to suggest that the majority if not all these 'thousands' are violent is somewhat over the top.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
The problem with the word 'swarm' is it has more than one meaning. So, Oxford English Dictionary says (amongst other things):
* (allusively) of persons who leave the original body and go forth to found a new colony or community.
* A very large or dense body or collection; a crowd, throng, multitude. (Often contemptuous.)
Clearly the first one could work in this situation, although founding a new community might not be the main intent. It is also, I suspect, pretty archaic. The second one is how most people would interpret the word I suspect - which means we are into debates about how large the crowd has to be in order to qualify.
The most peculiar use of infect-and-spread was once used in my earshot by a firm of management consultants to describe how they embedded themselves in a client.
Umm, not very attractive - but an accurate description of their tactics.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Wow - what with Blair's 'heart transplants' and now Labour party 'viruses'. Labour can't really get beyond the NHS! which numpty's gonna be first to call it the 'Black death'
Pretty pathetic stuff, this faux outrage about the use of a perfectly accurate term. If people want to get worked up they should be doing so about the feeble action that is being taken to combat this 'swarm'.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
You have joined the swarms of people who suddenly transpose all, thats all, these people into being violent. I'm sure some are but to suggest that the majority if not all these 'thousands' are violent is somewhat over the top.
3,500 stormed the site today trying to cross, even by your government apologist definition 3,500 is thousands, and that is just today. Storming border crossings would fit with most peoples definition of violent behaviour, you might not agree, but I wouldn't try and split those sort of hairs on the doorstep!
Wow - what with Blair's 'heart transplants' and now Labour party 'viruses'. Labour can't really get beyond the NHS! which numpty's gonna be first to call it the 'Black death'
Mandelson personally signalled out as part of the virus. A proven election winning tactician whatever your politics.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
Not yet quite a swarm of people presuming, incorrectly, anyone with a particular view on a matter must be a PBTory and thus can be safely dismissed, but it is getting there.
No: he doesn't. That is what is happening. We all know - Cameron included - that they are human and desperate. Being desperate does not mean that they are right or that their demands should be met. They are people who are using illegal means to try to get into a country and are trying to use violence and intimidation and law-breaking to get their way. They are causing harm to the residents and economy of the Calais region and to people in France and the UK who are going about their lives and businesses lawfully and peacefully. I want my politicians to stand up for these people not for criminals and law-breakers.
People are fed up with this: we understand that there are people who are genuine refugees who need help and the British have been and are a generous and welcoming nation. I am happy to have good quality legal migrants and to give shelter to genuine refugees.
But we're not mugs and we're fed up with having our generosity abused and being taken for mugs by people who think that because they "want" (and in many cases have paid a lot of money to illegal gangs) they should "have. Well, tough. No.
A prolonged stay while their alleged claims are processed on one of our remaining islands: St Helena, maybe, or St Georgia is all that should be offered.
As for the tunnel, the camp should be abolished and the fencing secured. If there are prolonged and repeated attempts to breach it then maybe electric fencing is needed. These may be unpalatable options. But what is even more unpalatable is the idea that we should open ourselves up to anyone in the world who wants to come here - no matter what the wishes of the inhabitants and no matter how undesirable such "migrants" might be.
We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.
Utterly pathetic.
A Burnham esque thread .
I made the classic mistake of drinking tea while reading a PB thread. Luckily managed to avoid the keyboard and only have to wipe tea of the computer table!
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...
We're having an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the country and everyone just wants to talk about whether the word "swarm" is appropriate or not.
Utterly pathetic.
A Burnham esque thread .
I made the classic mistake of drinking tea while reading a PB thread. Luckily managed to avoid the keyboard and only have to wipe tea of the computer table!
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Proof that some on our planet are descendants of the occupants of the Golgafrincham "B" Ark.
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
Actually the M1 segues seamlessly into the A1 nowadays, at Aberford. Just sayin...
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Proof that some on our planet are descendants of the occupants of the Golgafrincham "B" Ark.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.
Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.
Ha. You reckon any of these North London intellectuals will actually want to mix with any of the immigrants themselves?
Using them purely for political gain whilst not giving a stuff for anyone who is actually adversely effected is the name of the game.
Yeah, I bet multi-millionaire socialist's like Roger don't have to run the gauntlet of Migrants when he's off to his apartment on the Cote D'Azur.
He'd have his own private jet to get him there...
The only time most of them would ever come into contact with such immigrants, is when they cross paths with the apartment block cleaner in a corridor, or are served an expensive pastry in an upmarket cafe by someone on minimum wage.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
Aren't they charging French border controls, rather than ours?
Still making excuses for people trying to enter this country illegally?
So....... these economic migrants aren't swarming around the Eurotunnel area.. Of course they are. if they are swarming, they are a swarm.. this sort of politically correct nonsense detracts from what is going on. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.
They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.
And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....
Remember when Ed won the Labour leadership - he jumped on the Eurostar to head to Paris to kiss the ring of the great socialist hope - Hollande.
Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.
I saw Umunna was appealing to the Labour electorate to elect someone like Renzi rather than Tsipras, as economic competence was important. If the Italian PM is the best example of a competent left winger then you are struggling!
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
No need to highlight how badly Westminster's infrastructure planning has always neglected Scotland, they can go up the west coast.
There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
No need to highlight how badly Westminster's infrastructure planning has always neglected Scotland, they can go up the west coast.
There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...
A swarm of PB Tories in full rebuttal mode on here, certainly. Job done for the afternoon, OGH.
I think we can take that as an invite for all migrants to bonnie Scotland - straight up the M1 - left for Glagow and right for Edinburgh - watch out for swar..oops lots of midgies in the glens!
You need to go on the A1 to get to Scotland. Turning right at the top of the M1 takes you towards Hull, left takes you towards Manchester.
No need to highlight how badly Westminster's infrastructure planning has always neglected Scotland, they can go up the west coast.
There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...
The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.
They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.
And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....
Uk freeloaders have been given a bad name by IDS's reforms - Labour are having to look further afield.
The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.
They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.
And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....
So you're saying they're Opportunistic Little Sh*ts?
Communication Workers Union (CWU) endorsing Corbyn, it's a big one, 204,500 members.
Again, Labour affiliated so they can all sign up for free and take part in the leadership election. I wonder how many of the almost ¼ million union members announced today alone will be encouraged to vote for theirs union bosses preferred candidate?
The best that can be said about The Swarm of Migrants is that they are queue-bargers, elbowing their way into a sovereign country to which they have no legal right of access, using - in some cases - threats with weapons to do so. In the process, they have broken the system for asylum seekers and condemned many with a just cause to be pushed aside in their self-interested pursuit of a better life.
They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.
And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....
So you're saying they're Opportunistic Little Sh*ts?
Well, since Ed left the stage, the position has been vacant.... (Although I did have Farron pencilled in for the role.)
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Lots will be using even stronger terms.
The metropolitan elite, and hand wringing, guilt ridden liberals risk looking completely out of touch.
Frankly, I couldn't give a toss about passengers boarding the Outrage Bus on this one.
@RogerHelmerMEP: Calais was British until 1558. Maybe it's time to take it back.
So what do we get from Labour about Calais. A workable solution? Oh, no, they raise their skirts and run shrieking away ...
"Swarming! He said a naughty word! Oh! Oh! Oh!"
Reminiscent of the Jehovah sketch in 'Life of Brian.'
Welcome to the Kindergarten.
Utterly pathetic.
Oops my mistake - of course I meant the LD 'outrage half-full minibus'
I keep saying that Corbyn will never be leader.
Now we have Labour obsessing about semantics. Perhaps, I'm totally wrong and they're desperately trying to commit suicide. Or else it's a betting scam.
No wonder we end up with drones like the other three in the Labour leadership contest. We only have ourselves to blame.
Lefties have learned absolutely nothing from their general election humiliation.
Try telling the people stuck in the car park on the M20 that Cameron needs to be more "careful" with his words.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, our immigration system under staffed and overloaded, thousands of illegal violent people charging our border controls, and some people thing the important thing is to wring our hands about the appropriateness of language. Pathetic.
swarm1
[swawrm]
Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin
noun
1.
a body of honeybees that emigrate from a hive and fly off together, accompanied by a queen, to start a new colony.
2.
a body of bees settled together, as in a hive.
3.
a great number of things or persons, especially in motion.
4.
Biology. a group or aggregation of free-floating or free-swimming cells or organisms.
5.
Geology. a cluster of earthquakes or other geologic phenomena or features.
Then they wonder why they can't win general elections any more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5IxebGGJfg
Childish point scoring, they say we get the politicians we deserve.
Was it a 'mistake'? Perhaps, in terms of opening up to attack. Was it 'wrong' and 'offensive'? Not in the slightest.
I'm sure some are but to suggest that the majority if not all these 'thousands' are violent is somewhat over the top.
Of all the problems that exist in Calais and in the Med the word "swarm" being used ranks about bottom.
CWU endorses @Corbyn4Leader. "There is a virus within the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn is the antidote," says @DaveWardGS
Will no-one condemn this disgraceful use of "virus" to describe the innocent Blairites desperately camped on the outside of the race?
* (allusively) of persons who leave the original body and go forth to found a new colony or community.
* A very large or dense body or collection; a crowd, throng, multitude. (Often contemptuous.)
Clearly the first one could work in this situation, although founding a new community might not be the main intent. It is also, I suspect, pretty archaic. The second one is how most people would interpret the word I suspect - which means we are into debates about how large the crowd has to be in order to qualify.
Umm, not very attractive - but an accurate description of their tactics.
Corbo will be jumping on the Eurostar - whilst it is moving at Coquelles - to show solidarity with those slurred by the bad words.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/53°49'49.5"N+1°20'31.5"W/@53.830427,-1.34208,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=en
People are fed up with this: we understand that there are people who are genuine refugees who need help and the British have been and are a generous and welcoming nation. I am happy to have good quality legal migrants and to give shelter to genuine refugees.
But we're not mugs and we're fed up with having our generosity abused and being taken for mugs by people who think that because they "want" (and in many cases have paid a lot of money to illegal gangs) they should "have. Well, tough. No.
A prolonged stay while their alleged claims are processed on one of our remaining islands: St Helena, maybe, or St Georgia is all that should be offered.
As for the tunnel, the camp should be abolished and the fencing secured. If there are prolonged and repeated attempts to breach it then maybe electric fencing is needed. These may be unpalatable options. But what is even more unpalatable is the idea that we should open ourselves up to anyone in the world who wants to come here - no matter what the wishes of the inhabitants and no matter how undesirable such "migrants" might be.
I made the classic mistake of drinking tea while reading a PB thread. Luckily managed to avoid the keyboard and only have to wipe tea of the computer table!
Using them purely for political gain whilst not giving a stuff for anyone who is actually adversely effected is the name of the game.
But getting from Dover to Scotland, you're best of going up the A1/A1(M)
To be fair they've had a good run out of talking complete rot and getting away with it for a couple of decades.
As long as there are threads and comments like this from leading centre-left politicians, they will stay in opposition:
He'd have his own private jet to get him there...
It has a certain ring to it.
Google definition of swarm:
a large number of people or things.
Eg "a swarm of journalists"
Any journalists outraged over this?
They have also abandoned their fellow country men to tyranny and/or poverty whilst they look out for themselves, rather than stay to fight for a better, more just life for all their fellow citizens. Some might call them spineless cowards, running away from the truly difficult choices in life.
And yet the Left wants to lionise these people? Sheeesh....
There's been a motorway link between Scotland and England...
...since 2008!
The insane two of the left on this issue(Tyson,Roger) both live abroad.
If he says they should all be welcomed into the UK, his seat is at risk, let alone his leadership ambitions.
If he says they shouldn't be allowed in, he'll be a racist to his party.
A good old squirrel come to the rescue.
Come on, Jezza, go over and welcome them in personally. You'll be the only one who would get away with it.
Again, Labour affiliated so they can all sign up for free and take part in the leadership election. I wonder how many of the almost ¼ million union members announced today alone will be encouraged to vote for theirs union bosses preferred candidate?