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Pentyrch on Cardiff (Con defence)
Result of council at last election (2012): Labour 46, Liberal Democrats 16, Conservatives 7, Independents 4, Plaid Cymru 2 (Labour majority of 17)
Result of ward at last election (2012): Conservative 772 (54%), Labour 413 (29%), Plaid Cymru 171 (12%), Green 40 (3%), Liberal Democrat 22 (2%)
Candidates duly nominated:

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Wait, by-elections on a Tuesday? What madness is this?

    Fascinating twists in Cardifff, I had assumed such a place would always have been Labour to its core with no deviation, but not so it seems, with 2008 looking particularly interesting. Hopefully it will return to competitiveness in the fullness of time.

    FPT:
    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Hints out of Eurogroup that Greeks ready to call off referendum or recommend Yes vote if new deal can be done tmrw

    Quelle surprise, a lot of hot air and brinkmanship to probably result in a fudged deal which almost certainly won't address core issues and won't be met anyway, but they'll agree to pretend they will if it gets footage of Greeks queuing at bank machines off the tv screens for 5 minutes.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    Thanks Harry for these most informative articles. Why on a Tuesday though?

    Offtopic but on the news, are we about to see Greek fudge as a new delicacy?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Cardiff is much smaller than the English Core Cities and many of the prosperous urban people in Wales live much closer to the commercial centre than in those other places. Whereas, of course, the Labour strength in South Wales is in the valleys.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Pentyrch's a fairly posh bit on the n west edge of the city. Semi rural really.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    My internal calendar is out of kilter. Not used to a dose of Harry on a Tuesday night!

    Good stuff as ever Mr Hayfield. And quite unexpected.

    (Quiet on here tonight! Do we all have Greece fatigue?)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Thistle are milking #Kingsley for all it's worth. They're now doing photo ops where it runs after "terrified" kiddywinks.

    https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/615912759952158720
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    edited June 2015
    There is also a by-election in Hampton Wick on Thursday caused by the resignation as a councillor of the lady who defeated Vince Cable. It is a very safe Tory seat but it could be an interesting test of how resurgent the LibDems are with all their new members.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    Sandpit said:


    Offtopic but on the news, are we about to see Greek fudge as a new delicacy?

    I see that on Betfair the odds against Greek exiting the Eurozone this year have gone out to 11/4 against.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    You refresh and you find a whole new thread, too late to be first of course.

    By elections on a Tuesday? I blame the Greek effect. We are all going mad !
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Nigel Pearson sacked by Leicester.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    EPG said:

    Cardiff is much smaller than the English Core Cities and many of the prosperous urban people in Wales live much closer to the commercial centre than in those other places. Whereas, of course, the Labour strength in South Wales is in the valleys.

    Quite so. Some of the seriously posh bits such as Cyncoed with some of the highest property prices in Wales are ( just about ) within walking distance of the Millenium Stadium. It's all very compact, though broadly there's a better off "northern doughnut" arcing around the city from n west to n east (Whitchurch to Penylan including Rhiwbina, Heath, Lisvane, Cyncoed, most of Llanishen and other outlying bits such as Pentyrch and Old St Mellons) and a less favoured southern arc from Ely to Llanrumney. In Parliamentary terms much of the northern arc is Cardiff North ( Tory seat after 2010) Cardiff Central is split between the two ( was Lib Dem now Labour as of May) but is a classic university seat. Cardiff West is southern arc, (with a Welsh and BBC enclave in posh Pontcanna near the city centre). Cardiff South is the old docks area ( incl "Tiger Bay") new docklands regeneration, and the very genteel seaside Penarth. It's Labour too, but none of these seats are like the Valleys "weigh the majority" type.

    As Cardiff, so I read only today, has the fastest growing population Percentage of any city outside of London ( apparently, BBC website I think it was) expect more demographic change as the population is due to go up by another 80k to well above 400k in the next dozen years.

    Sorry to be so utterly parochial but a local by election gives me an excuse to inform/bore people.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    Several excellent comments on the previous thread about the charms of PB. I agree entirely and
    , much though I enjoy politics , the day PB is restricted to bets on politics be will be a sad day.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032

    Nigel Pearson sacked by Leicester.

    Has he lost a lot of matches this month?
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    welshowl said:

    EPG said:

    Cardiff is much smaller than the English Core Cities and many of the prosperous urban people in Wales live much closer to the commercial centre than in those other places. Whereas, of course, the Labour strength in South Wales is in the valleys.

    Quite so. Some of the seriously posh bits such as Cyncoed with some of the highest property prices in Wales are ( just about ) within walking distance of the Millenium Stadium. It's all very compact, though broadly there's a better off "northern doughnut" arcing around the city from n west to n east (Whitchurch to Penylan including Rhiwbina, Heath, Lisvane, Cyncoed, most of Llanishen and other outlying bits such as Pentyrch and Old St Mellons) and a less favoured southern arc from Ely to Llanrumney. In Parliamentary terms much of the northern arc is Cardiff North ( Tory seat after 2010) Cardiff Central is split between the two ( was Lib Dem now Labour as of May) but is a classic university seat. Cardiff West is southern arc, (with a Welsh and BBC enclave in posh Pontcanna near the city centre). Cardiff South is the old docks area ( incl "Tiger Bay") new docklands regeneration, and the very genteel seaside Penarth. It's Labour too, but none of these seats are like the Valleys "weigh the majority" type.

    As Cardiff, so I read only today, has the fastest growing population Percentage of any city outside of London ( apparently, BBC website I think it was) expect more demographic change as the population is due to go up by another 80k to well above 400k in the next dozen years.

    Sorry to be so utterly parochial but a local by election gives me an excuse to inform/bore people.
    Always makes Harry's threads that bit more enjoyable when someone with a bit of proximate familiarity chimes in.

    All politics is local, after all....
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited June 2015
    BETTING POST

    Kittel is out of Le Tour (a few days oldnews actually but I missed it). Alexander Kristoff at 6/1 with Paddy Power is very, very, very good value for Stage 2. Pile in.

    Can't find odds for Stages 4, 5, 7 but if anyone sees them, take Kristoff on anything over 3s. (Or Cavendish over 3s but you won't get that with a UK bookie).

    This also makes the 10/11 odds on Peter Sagan for Green even more attractive.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    DavidL said:

    Nigel Pearson sacked by Leicester.

    Has he lost a lot of matches this month?
    I think there was a tour match in Thailand with off field ramifications shall we say.....
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    edited June 2015
    @MyBurningEars - thank you for the video link on the previous thread.
    I posted a reply, and AS USUAL there was a new thread! :-)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Why do I like pb? In the last few days I've learned more about game theory, read more useful posts on the Greek financial crisis than I've seen anywhere else and been given a schooling in personal experience of a boundary commission review. Oh, and read a lot of awful Hellenic puns.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    antifrank said:

    Why do I like pb? In the last few days I've learned more about game theory, read more useful posts on the Greek financial crisis than I've seen anywhere else and been given a schooling in personal experience of a boundary commission review. Oh, and read a lot of awful Hellenic puns.

    Surely you meant

    You've read an awful lot of Hellenic Puns?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    Why do I like pb? In the last few days I've learned more about game theory, read more useful posts on the Greek financial crisis than I've seen anywhere else and been given a schooling in personal experience of a boundary commission review. Oh, and read a lot of awful Hellenic puns.

    Surely you meant

    You've read an awful lot of Hellenic Puns?
    My word order was chosen carefully.

    I spent today in Sheffield, incidentally.
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    Pentyrch was a village well outside the City boundary in my day. How times change. Still know a few people there and i guess it will stay Tory.
    Talking about Whitchurch, Michael Roberts was my MP when i lived there. Decent MP, despite being a Tory, who sadly died suddenly in the House of Parliament in 1983. Interestingly it is apparently illegal to die in the House, so he was declared dead in hospital..
    Cardiff's a good, growing City. Just needs a a premiership team.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Why do I like pb? In the last few days I've learned more about game theory, read more useful posts on the Greek financial crisis than I've seen anywhere else and been given a schooling in personal experience of a boundary commission review. Oh, and read a lot of awful Hellenic puns.

    Surely you meant

    You've read an awful lot of Hellenic Puns?
    My word order was chosen carefully.

    I spent today in Sheffield, incidentally.
    Did you enjoy your visit?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Why do I like pb? In the last few days I've learned more about game theory, read more useful posts on the Greek financial crisis than I've seen anywhere else and been given a schooling in personal experience of a boundary commission review. Oh, and read a lot of awful Hellenic puns.

    Surely you meant

    You've read an awful lot of Hellenic Puns?
    My word order was chosen carefully.

    I spent today in Sheffield, incidentally.
    Did you enjoy your visit?
    It was my first proper visit. It's in the category "not as bad as I expected without exactly being good".
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited June 2015
    @Disraeli.

    My pleasure, thought PB might be just the place to find some other folk who appreciate that kind of thing! Just had a startling revelation - is it so quiet on here on a fine summer evening because EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOT A LIFE, DAMMIT? I wondered if anyone would be staying up for an "IMF deadline countdown" but it seems pretty clear that not all that much is going to kick off and no final twists in the drama seem likely (interesting guide to what happens at midnight from politico, it certainly won't be an instant apocalypse, just another shudder in the train wreck). Maybe people are saving their sleep for the World Cup semifinal on Thursday (i.e. Wednesday night, which is as confusing as seeing Harry on a Tuesday); everybody - except those batting against the Mitchells this summer - loves a bit of 90s nostalgia.

    FPT in case anybody is stuck for something to do this evening, a highly unusual MBE TV recommendation. "Keys to the Castle" was an award-winning BBC2 documentary from last year about an aging couple, relics of a bygone era, living in a Scottish castle in the highlands. They are finally facing up to the fact they are going to have to sell up and move out - to a retirement destination they charmingly call a "horizontal house". It's a bit poignant but the castle is gorgeous, proper property porn gold, and the couple are wonderful. The wife, who has essentially had to take charge in recent years, is just made for TV - all marbles thoroughly switched on, and as candid as she is eccentric. The pace of revelations is well-structured and I found the whole thing very moving. It's been repeated on BBC4 recently so has re-emerged on iplayer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01nnztr

    Or, if you would rather spend 40 minutes geeking out, this is brilliant (now with independent confirmation from a 19th century Prime Minister of my objectivity on this point!). It's a US Navy guide to analogue fire control computers, back in the day before it was done electronically. There were mechanical computers installed in fighting ships as early as World War One, but this film dates from the 1950s when such mechanical systems had reached the peak of their complexity - the idea is that you don't aim your shells straight at the target, since you need to account for your ship's course, that of your opponent, the wind speed, and you also need to set your gun at the right angle for your shell to traverse the correct range.

    I particularly enjoyed the mechanical integrators and multipliers used in the final third of the film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1i-dnAH9Y4
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Why do I like pb? In the last few days I've learned more about game theory, read more useful posts on the Greek financial crisis than I've seen anywhere else and been given a schooling in personal experience of a boundary commission review. Oh, and read a lot of awful Hellenic puns.

    Surely you meant

    You've read an awful lot of Hellenic Puns?
    My word order was chosen carefully.

    I spent today in Sheffield, incidentally.
    Did you enjoy your visit?
    It was my first proper visit. It's in the category "not as bad as I expected without exactly being good".
    You should have told me you were there, I would have taken you to all the decent places.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Why do I like pb? In the last few days I've learned more about game theory, read more useful posts on the Greek financial crisis than I've seen anywhere else and been given a schooling in personal experience of a boundary commission review. Oh, and read a lot of awful Hellenic puns.

    Surely you meant

    You've read an awful lot of Hellenic Puns?
    My word order was chosen carefully.

    I spent today in Sheffield, incidentally.
    Did you enjoy your visit?
    It was my first proper visit. It's in the category "not as bad as I expected without exactly being good".
    You should have told me you were there, I would have taken you to all the decent places.
    It was a work-centred visit, so tourism wasn't on the agenda. But I haven't ruled out a return at some point.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    antifrank said:


    "not as bad as I expected....".

    Did you have to "steel" yourself to going there? :-)
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Looks like Greek politics are descending further into tragicomedy farce.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    @Dair I hope that isn't the PTFC strip for next season. Red shorts FFS.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    RANsquawk @RANsquawk - BREAKING: Fitch downgrade #Greece to CC (high default risk) from CCC, which means they are the lowest of the 3 major rating agencies #Grexit

    Hmm, how screwed does a country need to be before it gets a single 'C' risk grade?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Off topic.

    Venus and Jupiter just visible very very close together ( less than a moon width ) in the western sky. Grab a glass of wine and look up and admire. You might see the odd bat flitting about too @reallife
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Eurogroup chairman and Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem said it would be "crazy" to extend the Greek bailout beyond its midnight expiration as Athens was refusing accept the European proposals on the table.

    Never stopped people giving them money before in recent times. Really, the Greek people look set for suffering no matter what happens, so probably best someone forces a clean break rather than drag things out, pretending they'll stick to new terms (or if they are even able to).

    With the brinkmanship going on so intently in the past few days, they'd better not pretend a harsh response was a possibility if it happens though - the whole point seems to have been to take things to the edge and gamble the other side would back off, it's fine to be angry if they don't, but part of the point was to dare them to do it (and hope they don't).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33325886
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    valleyboy said:

    Pentyrch was a village well outside the City boundary in my day. How times change. Still know a few people there and i guess it will stay Tory.
    Talking about Whitchurch, Michael Roberts was my MP when i lived there. Decent MP, despite being a Tory, who sadly died suddenly in the House of Parliament in 1983. Interestingly it is apparently illegal to die in the House, so he was declared dead in hospital..
    Cardiff's a good, growing City. Just needs a a premiership team.

    Agreed.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    dr_spyn said:
    It's got #Kingsley on it, I'm sure it will be popular enough.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    RANsquawk @RANsquawk - BREAKING: Fitch downgrade #Greece to CC (high default risk) from CCC, which means they are the lowest of the 3 major rating agencies #Grexit

    Hmm, how screwed does a country need to be before it gets a single 'C' risk grade?

    Politico reckon that Greece won't formally default until July 20, since the ratings agency don't "count" missed payments to the IMF. Which means there is still a little more time in the game for some further twists and turns.

    Somalia, Sudan and Zimbabwe are currently the only three countries behind on their IMF payments, apparently, so Greece is in fine company!
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    Just seen Venus and Jupiter. But to be honest, only because I had heard about it elsewhere. Wouldn't have looked twice had I noticed them myself. I imagine it's a sight through a good telescope.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    Both the Greek govt and the EU/ECB have crap cards but are playing like they have aces in their hands, calling and raising through the hand. One or other must be about to blink, 'cos they're both pretty much all in.

    The IMF on the other hand, has the pair of kings. They know they're going to win the hand and the other two are bluffing.

    The best thing Greece can do now is to fold and work with the IMF against the EU/ECB. Instead they seem determined to have a fight with both their opponents simultaneously.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    welshowl said:

    Off topic.

    Venus and Jupiter just visible very very close together ( less than a moon width ) in the western sky. Grab a glass of wine and look up and admire. You might see the odd bat flitting about too @reallife

    If anyone is interested (I think Mark Senior is into lepidoptery - any word from him since the election BTW?) the hot weather in Iberia is sending a "Spanish Plume" of fast moving hot air which is likely to result in an influx of rare and wonderful butterflies and (in particular) moths.

    The down-side is some potential for spectacular thunder storms....
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Politico reckon that Greece won't formally default until July 20, since the ratings agency don't "count" missed payments to the IMF. Which means there is still a little more time in the game for some further twists and turns.

    Somalia, Sudan and Zimbabwe are currently the only three countries behind on their IMF payments, apparently, so Greece is in fine company!
    Cheers MBE - fine company indeed, and soon to be joined by Puerto Rico?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    welshowl said:

    Off topic.

    Venus and Jupiter just visible very very close together ( less than a moon width ) in the western sky. Grab a glass of wine and look up and admire. You might see the odd bat flitting about too @reallife

    I would be able to see it, but staying in central Birmingham with tower blocks in the way :(

    But I saw them together last week, albeit a bit further apart.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    @Welshowl thanks - bit too much cloud cover, but grabbed a view.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    I hate summer. Too hot to sleep at night, leading to exhausted days as well. That is all.

    Good night, if you can manage it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    MTimT said:

    Looks like Greek politics are descending further into tragicomedy farce.

    Leonidas: Unless I miss my guess, we're in for one wild night!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049

    My internal calendar is out of kilter. Not used to a dose of Harry on a Tuesday night!

    Good stuff as ever Mr Hayfield. And quite unexpected.

    (Quiet on here tonight! Do we all have Greece fatigue?)

    something to take up that extra second we have this evening.

    If Greece agrees to a deal during the actual leap-second, will the universe collapse in on itself and we all wake up tomorrow on June 30th?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    welshowl said:

    Off topic.

    Venus and Jupiter just visible very very close together ( less than a moon width ) in the western sky. Grab a glass of wine and look up and admire. You might see the odd bat flitting about too @reallife

    If anyone is interested (I think Mark Senior is into lepidoptery - any word from him since the election BTW?) the hot weather in Iberia is sending a "Spanish Plume" of fast moving hot air which is likely to result in an influx of rare and wonderful butterflies and (in particular) moths.

    The down-side is some potential for spectacular thunder storms....
    Unless, they cause damage, not sure that is a downside. Love to watch them.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    welshowl said:

    Off topic.

    Venus and Jupiter just visible very very close together ( less than a moon width ) in the western sky. Grab a glass of wine and look up and admire. You might see the odd bat flitting about too @reallife

    Thanks for the tip. Had a look through binoculars.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    kle4 said:

    I hate summer. Too hot to sleep at night, leading to exhausted days as well. That is all.

    Good night, if you can manage it.

    I always sleep in the nude - it's far more comfortable!

    EDIT: (shit - did I just press "send"????)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Excellent Frankie Boyle piece on CIF.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/30/west-racist-wars-bombs-radicalisation-frankie-boyle

    We live in a country where posting “Let’s riot or something bruv!” on Facebook will get you a couple of years in prison, while writing a column saying we should bomb Syria is practically an entrance exam for public intellectuals.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Dair said:

    Excellent Frankie Boyle piece on CIF.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/30/west-racist-wars-bombs-radicalisation-frankie-boyle

    We live in a country where posting “Let’s riot or something bruv!” on Facebook will get you a couple of years in prison, while writing a column saying we should bomb Syria is practically an entrance exam for public intellectuals.

    I actually feel sorry for him. Frankie Boyle used to be a deeply innovative and provocative comedian.

    Now, since he's started trying to 'do' politics, he's become a poor-man's George Monboit. It's embarassing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    edited June 2015
    Dair said:

    Excellent Frankie Boyle piece on CIF.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/30/west-racist-wars-bombs-radicalisation-frankie-boyle

    We live in a country where posting “Let’s riot or something bruv!” on Facebook will get you a couple of years in prison, while writing a column saying we should bomb Syria is practically an entrance exam for public intellectuals.

    Calm down, Dair!

    Now THIS is the best ever CIF piece:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/11/milifan-prime-minister-ed-miliband
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    kle4 said:

    I hate summer. Too hot to sleep at night, leading to exhausted days as well. That is all.

    Good night, if you can manage it.

    I always sleep in the nude - it's far more comfortable!

    EDIT: (shit - did I just press "send"????)
    Keep your clothes on man!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    FPT - myburningears got pb.com spot on. I love it.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Syria:

    Strong suggestions of forceful Jordanian and Turkish intervention in Syria, in an active incursion kind of manner, near their respective borders. The Turkish military so far has been stalling but its thought has now accepted their political masters instructions, how enthusiastically remains to be seen.

    We have heard talk about Turkey before and it never quite happened but certainly things look closer this time to becoming reality.

    The Israelis appear also to have some interesting plans.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    BBC saying night time temps about 20 degrees in many parts of the country!
  • Dair said:

    Excellent Frankie Boyle piece on CIF.
    ....

    We live in a country where posting “Let’s riot or something bruv!” on Facebook will get you a couple of years in prison, while writing a column saying we should bomb Syria is practically an entrance exam for public intellectuals.

    Rambling clickbait. To attempt to compare the unlawful encouragement of a crime and the lawful advocacy of a change in government policy is to fail to see the wood from the trees.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Dair said:

    Excellent Frankie Boyle piece on CIF.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/30/west-racist-wars-bombs-radicalisation-frankie-boyle

    We live in a country where posting “Let’s riot or something bruv!” on Facebook will get you a couple of years in prison, while writing a column saying we should bomb Syria is practically an entrance exam for public intellectuals.

    Ah Frankie Boyle - the unfunny Jerry Sadowitz without the magic tricks.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Y0kel said:


    We have heard talk about Turkey before and it never quite happened but certainly things look closer this time to becoming reality.

    The Israelis appear also to have some interesting plans.

    @Y0kel. As PB's resident defence specialist, what's your assessment of the likely effectiveness of any of these possible interventions?

    The Israelis seem to have some decent kit, and know how to use it (in conventional warfare, at least), but how potent are the Turks/Jordanians?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156

    kle4 said:

    I hate summer. Too hot to sleep at night, leading to exhausted days as well. That is all.

    Good night, if you can manage it.

    I always sleep in the nude - it's far more comfortable!

    EDIT: (shit - did I just press "send"????)
    Keep your clothes on man!
    Ah, but I'm not quite yet in bed :lol:
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Disraeli said:

    Y0kel said:


    We have heard talk about Turkey before and it never quite happened but certainly things look closer this time to becoming reality.

    The Israelis appear also to have some interesting plans.

    @Y0kel. As PB's resident defence specialist, what's your assessment of the likely effectiveness of any of these possible interventions?

    The Israelis seem to have some decent kit, and know how to use it (in conventional warfare, at least), but how potent are the Turks/Jordanians?
    Depends on the objectives. Both have the capacity to occupy some kind of buffer zones, which is one of the reported plans. They will both face limited conventional threat and have local allies on the ground.

    There would be no surprise if any executed Israeli actions were co-incidentally helpful to the Jordanians.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    MTimT said:

    Looks like Greek politics are descending further into tragicomedy farce.

    Leonidas: Unless I miss my guess, we're in for one wild night!
    CNN has a useless Greek default clock, 7 minutes to go.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    kle4 said:

    I hate summer. Too hot to sleep at night, leading to exhausted days as well. That is all.

    Good night, if you can manage it.

    I always sleep in the nude - it's far more comfortable!

    EDIT: (shit - did I just press "send"????)
    Keep your clothes on man!
    Ah, but I'm not quite yet in bed :lol:
    FPT: sorry I didn't reply, I was on a train with no WiFi. Sky doesn't seem to have a player unfortunately. I think their coverage was probably the best of the three main channels, although it still was a bit of a let down compared to previous elections IMO.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    TGOHF said:

    Dair said:

    Excellent Frankie Boyle piece on CIF.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/30/west-racist-wars-bombs-radicalisation-frankie-boyle

    We live in a country where posting “Let’s riot or something bruv!” on Facebook will get you a couple of years in prison, while writing a column saying we should bomb Syria is practically an entrance exam for public intellectuals.

    Ah Frankie Boyle - the unfunny Jerry Sadowitz without the magic tricks.
    But Dair thinks its an excellent piece!! Come on! With that pedigree do you not think you should reasess your opinion?
    I can't understand it. Why aren't you impressed by the quality of thought emanating from 'Live at the Apollo'?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Y0kel said:

    Disraeli said:

    Y0kel said:


    We have heard talk about Turkey before and it never quite happened but certainly things look closer this time to becoming reality.

    The Israelis appear also to have some interesting plans.

    @Y0kel. As PB's resident defence specialist, what's your assessment of the likely effectiveness of any of these possible interventions?

    The Israelis seem to have some decent kit, and know how to use it (in conventional warfare, at least), but how potent are the Turks/Jordanians?
    Depends on the objectives. Both have the capacity to occupy some kind of buffer zones, which is one of the reported plans. They will both face limited conventional threat and have local allies on the ground.

    There would be no surprise if any executed Israeli actions were co-incidentally helpful to the Jordanians.
    I can tell you what it would do, it would make things worse.
    The syrian civil war expanding to a regional war will be the only result.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I had enough of CNN, they are interviewing one useless person after another and they have a fancy greek default countdown clock and the only thing I expect is for them to throw fireworks when it hits zero.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    London could be just two degrees below its all-time temperature record tomorrow.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    AndyJS said:

    London could be just two degrees below its all-time temperature record tomorrow.

    That time I had a power cut for 12 hours. Not fun at all, I can tell you.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Ding .....Greek Default happens with IMF .... Oh wait a minute.... Hang on what's that I hear?

    * screeching sound of tourtured metal as the goal posts are ripped out and moved yet again*

    Apparently it's now 20th July when they can't pay the ECB?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    AndyJS said:

    London could be just two degrees below its all-time temperature record tomorrow.

    Global Warming.
    And yes CNN is throwing fireworks right now on Greece not paying the IMF.

    Goodnight.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,504

    @Disraeli.

    (snip)
    FPT in case anybody is stuck for something to do this evening, a highly unusual MBE TV recommendation. "Keys to the Castle" was an award-winning BBC2 documentary from last year about an aging couple, relics of a bygone era, living in a Scottish castle in the highlands. They are finally facing up to the fact they are going to have to sell up and move out - to a retirement destination they charmingly call a "horizontal house". It's a bit poignant but the castle is gorgeous, proper property porn gold, and the couple are wonderful. The wife, who has essentially had to take charge in recent years, is just made for TV - all marbles thoroughly switched on, and as candid as she is eccentric. The pace of revelations is well-structured and I found the whole thing very moving. It's been repeated on BBC4 recently so has re-emerged on iplayer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01nnztr

    I watched that this morning, and it made for brilliant TV. She was a star, and you would need a heart of stone not to feel sorry for them.

    I must admit I had wished there had been a little more detail on how they has restored the castle, aside from the few snaps at the end. Although admittedly that was not what the program was about.

    People who do tasteful and fitting restorations of old buildings - as opposed to converting them to hotels - always get gold stars in my book. I reckon they rarely get the money or effort back again, but they save the building for another few decades or longer.

    If I had a few tens of million pounds (and the rest) going spare, I would rebuild New Slains Castle into a rather large family home. Much of the money would be wasted, but the building deserves it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Slains_Castle
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    antifrank said:

    AndyJS said:

    London could be just two degrees below its all-time temperature record tomorrow.

    That time I had a power cut for 12 hours. Not fun at all, I can tell you.
    I was on the tube today and although it was hot it wasn't unbearable which I was expecting it to be. Maybe it wasn't quite as hot today as forecast.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Moses_ said:

    Ding .....Greek Default happens with IMF .... Oh wait a minute.... Hang on what's that I hear?

    * screeching sound of tourtured metal as the goal posts are ripped out and moved yet again*

    Apparently it's now 20th July when they can't pay the ECB?

    Actually it's never.
    The credit rating agencies have said that they won't recognize a non payment to the ECB as a default.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Greece has become the first developed country to default on a loan repayment to the IMF.

    It's now formally in arrears."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-33284560
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    @Disraeli.

    (snip)
    FPT in case anybody is stuck for something to do this evening, a highly unusual MBE TV recommendation. "Keys to the Castle" was an award-winning BBC2 documentary from last year about an aging couple, relics of a bygone era, living in a Scottish castle in the highlands. They are finally facing up to the fact they are going to have to sell up and move out - to a retirement destination they charmingly call a "horizontal house". It's a bit poignant but the castle is gorgeous, proper property porn gold, and the couple are wonderful. The wife, who has essentially had to take charge in recent years, is just made for TV - all marbles thoroughly switched on, and as candid as she is eccentric. The pace of revelations is well-structured and I found the whole thing very moving. It's been repeated on BBC4 recently so has re-emerged on iplayer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01nnztr

    I watched that this morning, and it made for brilliant TV. She was a star, and you would need a heart of stone not to feel sorry for them.

    I must admit I had wished there had been a little more detail on how they has restored the castle, aside from the few snaps at the end. Although admittedly that was not what the program was about.

    People who do tasteful and fitting restorations of old buildings - as opposed to converting them to hotels - always get gold stars in my book. I reckon they rarely get the money or effort back again, but they save the building for another few decades or longer.

    If I had a few tens of million pounds (and the rest) going spare, I would rebuild New Slains Castle into a rather large family home. Much of the money would be wasted, but the building deserves it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Slains_Castle
    The moment I saw your name I thoroughly expected you to comment on my other viewing recommendation!

    Quite agree converting castles to homes rather than hotels if at all possible is the more fitting way to go.

    Heartbreaking documentary at the very end. She was one of the most enthralling personalities I've ever seen captured on TV.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Y0kel said:

    Disraeli said:

    Y0kel said:


    We have heard talk about Turkey before and it never quite happened but certainly things look closer this time to becoming reality.

    The Israelis appear also to have some interesting plans.

    @Y0kel. As PB's resident defence specialist, what's your assessment of the likely effectiveness of any of these possible interventions?

    The Israelis seem to have some decent kit, and know how to use it (in conventional warfare, at least), but how potent are the Turks/Jordanians?
    Depends on the objectives. Both have the capacity to occupy some kind of buffer zones, which is one of the reported plans. They will both face limited conventional threat and have local allies on the ground.

    There would be no surprise if any executed Israeli actions were co-incidentally helpful to the Jordanians.
    Ah! Very interesting - Thanks!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    USA vs Germany in the women's world cup, Betfair match odds:

    USA 2.96
    Germany 2.78
    Draw 3.25

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/football/event?id=27477259

    To qualify:

    USA 2.12
    Germany 1.86
  • In England in 2015, you can now be enjoined by a High Court Judge under section 1 of the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 from marching with a banner stating "No More Mosques", because the learned judge considers your proposed message "absurd and offensive" (see Chief Constable of Bedfordshire Police v Golding [2015] EWHC 1875 (QB), at [13], [16], [23]). The learned judge also suggested that those who proposed to march with a message calling for "No More Churches" would be similarly liable to be restrained on penalty of imprisonment. While the conduct of the defendants in the instant case was no doubt obnoxious, provocative and in some respects unlawful, one does wonder whether or not freedom of speech still exists in this country.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    edited June 2015
    Speedy said:

    Moses_ said:

    Ding .....Greek Default happens with IMF .... Oh wait a minute.... Hang on what's that I hear?
    * screeching sound of tourtured metal as the goal posts are ripped out and moved yet again*
    Apparently it's now 20th July when they can't pay the ECB?

    Actually it's never.
    The credit rating agencies have said that they won't recognize a non payment to the ECB as a default.
    Greece is in default if it does not repay its debts. That default only matters to the people waiting for the money. Ratings agencies are irellevant.
    (Fitch have said Greece is one level above full default)
    Greece is up a certain creek without a paddle if it cannot find anyone to lend it the money it needs. That is what is relevant.



  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Video of Chris Christie's announcement of his presidential candidacy in New Jersey earlier today
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRvyTW-Hi2A
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    PPP Michigan GOP Primary and General Election

    Michigan Republican Primary

    Walker – 15%
    Bush – 14%
    Carson – 14%
    Trump – 14%
    Rubio – 9%
    Huckabee – 8%
    Christie – 5%
    Cruz – 5%
    Paul – 4%
    Fiorina – 3%
    Kasich – 3%
    Santorum – 2%
    Graham – 1%
    Perry – 1%
    Jindal – 0%
    Pataki – 0%
    Someone Else/Not Sure – 2%

    General Election

    Clinton – 45%
    Paul – 42%

    Clinton – 46%
    Walker – 42%

    Clinton – 47%
    Huckabee – 42%

    Clinton – 44%
    Christie – 38%

    Clinton – 46%
    Rubio – 40%

    Clinton – 49%
    Carson – 41%

    Clinton – 46%
    Fiorina – 38%

    Clinton – 47%
    Bush – 38%

    Clinton – 49%
    Cruz – 39%

    Clinton – 49%
    Trump – 39%
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/trump-near-top-of-pack-in-michigan-clinton-leads-gop-field.html
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015

    In England in 2015, you can now be enjoined by a High Court Judge under section 1 of the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 from marching with a banner stating "No More Mosques", because the learned judge considers your proposed message "absurd and offensive" (see Chief Constable of Bedfordshire Police v Golding [2015] EWHC 1875 (QB), at [13], [16], [23]). The learned judge also suggested that those who proposed to march with a message calling for "No More Churches" would be similarly liable to be restrained on penalty of imprisonment. While the conduct of the defendants in the instant case was no doubt obnoxious, provocative and in some respects unlawful, one does wonder whether or not freedom of speech still exists in this country.

    Maybe elected judges are the answer.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    TGOHF said:

    Dair said:

    Excellent Frankie Boyle piece on CIF.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/30/west-racist-wars-bombs-radicalisation-frankie-boyle

    We live in a country where posting “Let’s riot or something bruv!” on Facebook will get you a couple of years in prison, while writing a column saying we should bomb Syria is practically an entrance exam for public intellectuals.

    Ah Frankie Boyle - the unfunny Jerry Sadowitz without the magic tricks.
    But Dair thinks its an excellent piece!! Come on! With that pedigree do you not think you should reasess your opinion?
    I can't understand it. Why aren't you impressed by the quality of thought emanating from 'Live at the Apollo'?
    Have you read it?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Two Georgia stories today -

    1) The Confederate Flag story has now come down I-85 and reached Stone Mountain.

    2) Georgia's gasoline tax changes tomorrow - until now the tax has been a percentage of the retail price, but the state government has at last realized that declining prices means less tax revenue. So starting tomorrow, the state of Georgia is levying a flat $0.26 per gallon tax.

    I forgot to fill up on the way home :(
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    HYUFD said:

    Video of Chris Christie's announcement of his presidential candidacy in New Jersey earlier today
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRvyTW-Hi2A

    Can't see the woman in yellow with Angelman syndrome as First Lady.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Disraeli said:

    HYUFD said:

    Video of Chris Christie's announcement of his presidential candidacy in New Jersey earlier today
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRvyTW-Hi2A

    Can't see the woman in yellow with Angelman syndrome as First Lady.
    Cardinal Rule - when you say your applause lines, FACE THE CAMERA!!!!!!!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    PPP Michigan GOP Primary and General Election

    Michigan Republican Primary

    Walker – 15%
    Bush – 14%
    Carson – 14%
    Trump – 14%
    Rubio – 9%
    Huckabee – 8%
    Christie – 5%
    Cruz – 5%
    Paul – 4%
    Fiorina – 3%
    Kasich – 3%
    Santorum – 2%
    Graham – 1%
    Perry – 1%
    Jindal – 0%
    Pataki – 0%
    Someone Else/Not Sure – 2%

    General Election

    Clinton – 45%
    Paul – 42%

    Clinton – 46%
    Walker – 42%

    Clinton – 47%
    Huckabee – 42%

    Clinton – 44%
    Christie – 38%

    Clinton – 46%
    Rubio – 40%

    Clinton – 49%
    Carson – 41%

    Clinton – 46%
    Fiorina – 38%

    Clinton – 47%
    Bush – 38%

    Clinton – 49%
    Cruz – 39%

    Clinton – 49%
    Trump – 39%
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/trump-near-top-of-pack-in-michigan-clinton-leads-gop-field.html

    You beaten me to it.
    So Republicans are between 2 unelectable choices: Trump and Bush.

    If Trump wins Iowa he wins New Hampshire and the nomination.
    If Bush loses N.Hampshire he's history.
    But in any case Hillary beats them in the customary landslide.

    Let the debates decide (I have a feeling that Trump is going to win the debates).

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328
    AndyJS said:

    In England in 2015, you can now be enjoined by a High Court Judge under section 1 of the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 from marching with a banner stating "No More Mosques", because the learned judge considers your proposed message "absurd and offensive" (see Chief Constable of Bedfordshire Police v Golding [2015] EWHC 1875 (QB), at [13], [16], [23]). The learned judge also suggested that those who proposed to march with a message calling for "No More Churches" would be similarly liable to be restrained on penalty of imprisonment. While the conduct of the defendants in the instant case was no doubt obnoxious, provocative and in some respects unlawful, one does wonder whether or not freedom of speech still exists in this country.

    Maybe elected judges are the answer.

    Of more use would be politicians who actually believed in free speech and did not pass bloody silly laws like this one.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    edited June 2015
    INTERESTING LINK NUMBER 1

    I read the "Telegraph" because it's always good to get info. Recently it's become a chore - as the EU situation has got worse, its bias has become more evident and the signal-to-noise ratio has gotten worse. Imagine my surprise therefore when I read this article about how fast to change a currency: well researched, sticks to the point, informative.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11708576/How-do-you-change-a-currency-fast.html
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    INTERESTING LINK NUMBER 2

    Those of us who can remember when BBC science programs were well written, presented and informative (instead of Brian ******* Cox wittering) may be interested to see this link of "Tomorrow's World" in 1994. Apparently something called "the information superhighway" will revolutionise our lives...:-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8cnP-RtRHU
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Disraeli Yes, she makes Barbara Bush look glamorous, although she has had a successful career on Wall St in her own right
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Speedy I think Trump will be a force but I think Bush will win in the end, I also think it will be much tighter in the general, though Hillary will win it in the end
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Speaker John Boehner sends a message of support to the US womens soccer team
    https://vine.co/v/eJlMdT9pQ1F


    As does Vice President Biden
    https://twitter.com/VP?lang=en-gb
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    viewcode said:

    INTERESTING LINK NUMBER 2

    Those of us who can remember when BBC science programs were well written, presented and informative (instead of Brian ******* Cox wittering) may be interested to see this link of "Tomorrow's World" in 1994. Apparently something called "the information superhighway" will revolutionise our lives...:-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8cnP-RtRHU

    I've always liked the term "the information superhighway". Tony Blair used it in the 1997 Labour manifesto IIRC.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    Speedy said:

    Let the debates decide (I have a feeling that Trump is going to win the debates).

    I have a feeling it will be the equivalent of an 'I agree with Carly' moment.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I've got some news that a greek newspaper is going to publish the first greek referendum poll tomorrow morning.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy I think Trump will be a force but I think Bush will win in the end, I also think it will be much tighter in the general, though Hillary will win it in the end

    I'm really not well informed here so this is a real question: Trump, really? Is he not just an embarrassing joke?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    edited July 2015
    AndyJS said:

    I've always liked the term "the information superhighway". Tony Blair used it in the 1997 Labour manifesto IIRC.

    I wasn't as big a fan of the phrase: it was too open to parody. What did strike me, tho', is how dated the phrase is: I haven't heard it in years...:-(

  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    viewcode said:

    AndyJS said:

    I've always liked the term "the information superhighway". Tony Blair used it in the 1997 Labour manifesto IIRC.

    I wasn't as big a fan of the phrase: it was too open to parody. What did strike me, tho', is how dated the phrase is: I haven't heard it in years...:-(

    yes, it's all "world wide web" these days, isn't it?
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Pearson sacked at leicester. Starting early this Premier league season!
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