"No, No, No! Cameron slaps down Sturgeon demands and tells her to forget about another referendum during 'frank' first talks since the election"
If and when the people of Scotland want another Referendum there will be one
If and when the people of Scotland want independence, they will have it.
It really is that simple, no matter what huffing and puffing goes on.
Really? And under what powers would the people of Scotland have to enact a referendum that impacts the whole of the UK? The Scottish Parliament has no such powers.
"DAVID Cameron has outed Alex Salmond as the source of reports suggesting the SNP would press ahead with a second independence referendum against the UK Government’s will."
Yer tea's out scotslass...
Did you actually read the story?
Once again the actual article doesn't match the headline. In fact, just the opposite.
I have absolutely no insider info on this...but reminds at this stage of the Coalition government....David Laws had to go, not because of keeping his sexuality hidden, but because of his expenses relating to that relationship.
What always struck me with that story, was that somebody knew all the ins and outs of that and sat on it for a long period of time.
"DAVID Cameron has outed Alex Salmond as the source of reports suggesting the SNP would press ahead with a second independence referendum against the UK Government’s will."
Yer tea's out scotslass...
Did you actually read the story?
Once again the actual article doesn't match the headline. In fact, just the opposite.
The dogs on the street AND the PM know who was running their mouth about a 2nd referendum yesterday. You stay in the Egyptian river if you want my dear old thing..
I have absolutely no insider info on this...but reminds at this stage of the Coalition government....David Laws had to go, not because of keeping his sexuality hidden, but because of his expenses relating to that relationship.
What always struck me with that story, was that somebody knew all the ins and outs of that and sat on it for a long period of time.
I liked the way it broke the very next day after he pissed off Alastair Campbell.
Dair Given the almost love-in between Sturgeon and Cameron today on the Smith Plans and discussion of further powers it is clear the 2 have far better personal chemistry than Cameron and Salmond regardless of any political differences they may have
"DAVID Cameron has outed Alex Salmond as the source of reports suggesting the SNP would press ahead with a second independence referendum against the UK Government’s will."
Yer tea's out scotslass...
Did you actually read the story?
Once again the actual article doesn't match the headline. In fact, just the opposite.
The dogs on the street AND the PM know who was running their mouth about a 2nd referendum yesterday. You stay in the Egyptian river if you want my dear old thing..
More nonsense and claim without any evidence.
Just like The Hootsman fabricating a lie.
The story contradicts the headline. Cameron is actually quoted dismissing the rumour and falling back to the idiotic, illogical Unionist opinion that they can stop Scottish Independence by portraying a personal opinion over future circumstances by Alex Salmond as some sort of promise.
It's as bogus as the Unionist case to keep Scotland paying out money to England and call it a "deficit" or "black hole" in Scotland's finances. Typical Loyalist lunacy.
The dogs on the street AND the PM know who was running their mouth about a 2nd referendum yesterday. You stay in the Egyptian river if you want my dear old thing..
It doesn't what you claim without any evidence.
Just like The Hootsman fabricating a lie.
The story contradicts the headline. Cameron is actually quoted dismissing the rumour and falling back to the idiotic, illogical Unionist opinion that they can stop Scottish Independence by portraying a personal opinion over future circumstances by Alex Salmond as some sort of promise.
It's as bogus as the Unionist case to keep Scotland paying out money to England and call it a "deficit" or "black hole" in Scotland's finances. Typical Loyalist lunacy.
So the Guardian, the Indy, the Scotsman, the Telegraph and the BBC are all wrong ?
"No, No, No! Cameron slaps down Sturgeon demands and tells her to forget about another referendum during 'frank' first talks since the election"
If and when the people of Scotland want another Referendum there will be one
If and when the people of Scotland want independence, they will have it.
It really is that simple, no matter what huffing and puffing goes on.
Delusional nonsense. The Scottish Parliament is a body with limited legislative competence. It cannot pass laws that exceed its legislative competence. It is strongly arguable that the Scottish Parliament lacks the legislative competence to call a second referendum. Without the consent of the Westminster Parliament, it will be for the courts, and not the "people of Scotland" to decide whether a second referendum is permissible.
The story contradicts the headline. Cameron is actually quoted dismissing the rumour and falling back to the idiotic, illogical Unionist opinion that they can stop Scottish Independence by portraying a personal opinion over future circumstances by Alex Salmond as some sort of promise.
It's as bogus as the Unionist case to keep Scotland paying out money to England and call it a "deficit" or "black hole" in Scotland's finances. Typical Loyalist lunacy.
So the Guardian, the Indy, the Scotsman, the Telegraph and the BBC are all wrong ?
Right...
It's a MSM project fear CONSPIRACY !
Are they all wrong or not. That depends what evidence they present.
The only evidence we have so far is an actual lie in The Hootsman. That tends to undermine the Loyalist case. And again, it doesn't matter. Scotland needs another Referendum in the next Holyrood parliament to dissolve this broken and corrupt Union and stop Scotland's wealth being leeched by the rest of the UK.
Cling onto your ridiculous assumptive beliefs that the Second Referendum won't happen. It's quite comical.
"DAVID Cameron has outed Alex Salmond as the source of reports suggesting the SNP would press ahead with a second independence referendum against the UK Government’s will."
Yer tea's out scotslass...
Uniquely, I think the Tory Party is the only one at the moment that isn't in the grip of a leadership tussle or internal wrangling!
I see "Dr" Eoin Clarke is backing Andy Burnham....kiss of death?
How on earth have Labour got themselves into a position where this man is even mildly influential? I mean, it's obviously a Twitter thing, but really?
Because the likes of Bad Al constantly retweet his unfortunate factual inaccuracies, which more often than not end up requiring a full and frank admission of error in order to ensure there aren't any legal proceedings taken.
"DAVID Cameron has outed Alex Salmond as the source of reports suggesting the SNP would press ahead with a second independence referendum against the UK Government’s will."
Yer tea's out scotslass...
Uniquely, I think the Tory Party is the only one at the moment that isn't in the grip of a leadership tussle or internal wrangling!
The run up to the EU referendum should split both the Tory party and The right wing MSM, as both campaigns go into project fear mode !!
"DAVID Cameron has outed Alex Salmond as the source of reports suggesting the SNP would press ahead with a second independence referendum against the UK Government’s will."
Yer tea's out scotslass...
Uniquely, I think the Tory Party is the only one at the moment that isn't in the grip of a leadership tussle or internal wrangling!
The run up to the EU referendum should split both the Tory party and The right wing MSM, as both campaigns go into project fear mode !!
MSM - tick Project fear - tick What no "SEVCO !" ?
Dair Even Sturgeon herself said she had a productive meeting with Cameron today, there will be no second referendum in this parliament unless Brexit and Scotland votes In in 2017 (and even then many nationalists will vote OUT)
Newstatesman seems pretty secure in saying there is no Sunday big story looming.
Or there was until lawyers spiked the story.
It's classic timing; Sunday's get a story, tell those involved on a Friday morning, and the legal teams get to work. One hefty 4 or 5 figure bill later and the dust settles.
Not convinced at all about the door stepping a 102-year-old rumour. Sounds like a 'look squirrel' type of thing. Nobody has money to waste on spending time trying to trap a peripheral figure like that. Now, the girlfriend, I could believe that. But that doesn't demonise the Press enough.
No idea how interested anyone here is in cycling but Alberto Contador has dislocated his shoulder and his chance of winning the Giro d'Italia has plummeted (he may not even finish to gear up for a better shot at the Tour de France ).
Richie Porte could go odds on tomorrow if he performs well on a big mountain finish, if he wins that stage, his odds will definitely drop below evens. At that point he will become a very good value Lay.
He has never performed for an entire three week tour, he will have bad days given his history and he won't win the giro. That's my opinion so DYOR.
No idea how interested anyone here is in cycling but Alberto Contador has dislocated his shoulder and his chance of winning the Giro d'Italia has plummeted (he may not even finish to gear up for a better shot at the Tour de France ).
Richie Porte could go odds on tomorrow if he performs well on a big mountain finish, if he wins that stage, his odds will definitely drop below evens. At that point he will become a very good value Lay.
He has never performed for an entire three week tour, he will have bad days given his history and he won't win the giro. That's my opinion so DYOR.
Contador is one hard bastard
I don't mean that he'll win. just impressed by his inpervience to pain and abiliy to ride with broken legs etc.
@MichaelLCrick: Keir Starmer for Labour leader may sound outlandish. He's 20-1, but Crick's law of leader elections is the freshest contenders usually wins
Dair Even Sturgeon herself said she had a productive meeting with Cameron today, there will be no second referendum in this parliament unless Brexit and Scotland votes In in 2017 (and even then many nationalists will vote OUT)
The only thing that can stop the Second Referendum being on the ballot for 2016 is if FFA is offered and the fiscal framework is attractive to Scotland. Any other outcome over the next 10 months and the Referendum will be on offer.
Cameron's dilemma is that he can't offer FFA under a reasonable framework because it would expose the core Unionist lie of the Referendum campaign.
I do think it is possible that the Referendum offer may be contingent instead of absolute. In fact, that would probably give Sturgeon even more power over Cameron than the electorate already gave her.
I almost feel sorry for those die hard True Believer Unionists. Being reduced to a denial of democracy as the only way to avoid the Union being dissolved must feel quite bad even to them.
Cling onto your ridiculous assumptive beliefs that the Second Referendum won't happen. It's quite comical.
£50 bet that there will be no indy ref 2 before 2020 ?
I'll take 3/1 for you - special price as Willy Hills have 7/2.
I think the practicalities of betting 4 years ahead informally on a forum make it a little infeasible, no?
Actually, it's better - you don't tie the cash up for 4 years, and Harry is a long term poster. Hills could go bust in 4 years too - you never know.
The concern about accepting was more on my part in that I can't be certain I would even be posting here in 4 years time (or even remember I had an obligation).
No idea how interested anyone here is in cycling but Alberto Contador has dislocated his shoulder and his chance of winning the Giro d'Italia has plummeted (he may not even finish to gear up for a better shot at the Tour de France ).
Richie Porte could go odds on tomorrow if he performs well on a big mountain finish, if he wins that stage, his odds will definitely drop below evens. At that point he will become a very good value Lay.
He has never performed for an entire three week tour, he will have bad days given his history and he won't win the giro. That's my opinion so DYOR.
Contador is one hard bastard
I don't mean that he'll win. just impressed by his inpervience to pain and abiliy to ride with broken legs etc.
He certainly can suffer (you can't even be a domestique pro-cyclist unless you can suffer well beyond what 99% of the population could manage. But it will stop him winning and likely make Porte a favourite (if he does have a good show tomorrow).
@MichaelLCrick: Keir Starmer for Labour leader may sound outlandish. He's 20-1, but Crick's law of leader elections is the freshest contenders usually wins
Polly has been ramping him all day
Keir Starmer is definitely NOT what Labour needs - a London Lawyer who was parachuted into his seat and may have some controversial items relating to his time as DPP.
Dair Sturgeon does not even want FFA at the moment with the offshore losses in the economy counteracting the onshore growth, yes there may be a second referendum in 15 years or so, but there will not be a second referendum in this parliament unless Brexit. In the end a deal somewhere between Smith + FFA will probably be accepted by both sides
@MichaelLCrick: Keir Starmer for Labour leader may sound outlandish. He's 20-1, but Crick's law of leader elections is the freshest contenders usually wins
Polly has been ramping him all day
Keir Starmer is definitely NOT what Labour needs - a London Lawyer who was parachuted into his seat and may have some controversial items relating to his time as DPP.
Oh, please, please Keir stand. I might make back all the money lost on bets over election that followed the polls.
I agree with Ken Livingstone their needs to be a much wider range of candidates for Labour leader.This problem in the new rules of 15% assumed a Labour government of over 326 when we've ended up with 238.So what if there are 6,8,10 candidates. My few bob on Yvette Cooper at 5-1 with Shadsy's mob-or ex-mob-is now a tradeable asset.She IMHO is the best representative of modern Britain from the available candidates.Experience counts for a lot and she appears generally competent.She may now be also an attractive option for those Labour members who would probably supported Chuka Umunna.For Labour to recover it needs to embrace federalism and quickly.
I remember when Keir Starmer was making decisions to prosecute to camera in the full glare of the media and thought it had nothing to do with justice and everything to do with the self-promotion of Keir Starmer. I thought he was a prat then and nothing has come along to alter my opinion bar reinforcing the fact that I was right all along.
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Once again the actual article doesn't match the headline. In fact, just the opposite.
The last referendum was full of economic holes that have just got bigger
On currency alone if the GE is anything to go by the SNP haven't a hope in hell of persuading rUK to let them near their wallets. So no currency Union
The Euro then -well that huge government deficit can't go on - Berlin says so -so it's cut back your spending which isn't what the SNP are selling.
Own currency - have you seen the price of oil ? Bigger cut backs needed.
It's all looking fun, bigger lies needed next time.
What always struck me with that story, was that somebody knew all the ins and outs of that and sat on it for a long period of time.
Hugely unlike a politician and a tail event, but...
Just like The Hootsman fabricating a lie.
The story contradicts the headline. Cameron is actually quoted dismissing the rumour and falling back to the idiotic, illogical Unionist opinion that they can stop Scottish Independence by portraying a personal opinion over future circumstances by Alex Salmond as some sort of promise.
It's as bogus as the Unionist case to keep Scotland paying out money to England and call it a "deficit" or "black hole" in Scotland's finances. Typical Loyalist lunacy.
Right...
It's a MSM project fear CONSPIRACY !
The only evidence we have so far is an actual lie in The Hootsman. That tends to undermine the Loyalist case. And again, it doesn't matter. Scotland needs another Referendum in the next Holyrood parliament to dissolve this broken and corrupt Union and stop Scotland's wealth being leeched by the rest of the UK.
Cling onto your ridiculous assumptive beliefs that the Second Referendum won't happen. It's quite comical.
I'll take 3/1 for you - special price as Willy Hills have 7/2.
@schofieldkevin: Stand down. Tristram Hunt is "continuing to listen to colleagues" before deciding whether to stand.
vs
I understand that there is no big scandal looming in the weekend press.
https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/waugh-room/why-chuka-pulled-out
Well somebody isn't telling the truth and going to look like a right wally.
Mind you MikeK is due me £50 from GE bets - not responding to vanilla messages nor posts asking to get in touch
Are they like the Rumsfeldian unknown unknowns?
Project fear - tick
What no "SEVCO !" ?
He quit a lobby job at the BBC for UKIP only six months ago, can't imagine that he moved for the challenge of the role...
It's classic timing; Sunday's get a story, tell those involved on a Friday morning, and the legal teams get to work. One hefty 4 or 5 figure bill later and the dust settles.
Liz better check for horses' heads before tucking herself into bed tonight.
Polly has been ramping him all day
Cameron's dilemma is that he can't offer FFA under a reasonable framework because it would expose the core Unionist lie of the Referendum campaign.
I do think it is possible that the Referendum offer may be contingent instead of absolute. In fact, that would probably give Sturgeon even more power over Cameron than the electorate already gave her.
I almost feel sorry for those die hard True Believer Unionists. Being reduced to a denial of democracy as the only way to avoid the Union being dissolved must feel quite bad even to them.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFDcYTdWoAACCav.jpg
Even the general election was only noticed by just over half of respondents.
(Labour really are in trouble, aren't they?)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/15/should-north-england-join-scotland
My few bob on Yvette Cooper at 5-1 with Shadsy's mob-or ex-mob-is now a tradeable asset.She IMHO is the best representative of modern Britain from the available candidates.Experience counts for a lot and she appears generally competent.She may now be also an attractive option for those Labour members who would probably supported Chuka Umunna.For Labour to recover it needs to embrace federalism and quickly.