TNS collection of data started 30th April, question mark over relevance. Those of you saying how well the Tories would do if UKIP didn't exist, but think how well Labour would do without SNP surge. Labour majority would have been certain!
Mr. G, they'll take their tax revenue with them. And jobs.
There is always work for the industrious Morris, and the sooner we liberate the working men and women of the UK from global corporate yoke, the sooner we can forge ahead, together. Small businesses and small people are the backbone of a small and enduring state.
A large number of small businesses rely on trade with the larger corporations. So let's remove all aircraft, arms, vehicle and steel, manufacture plus oil and gas companies from the UK, as well as large retailers and banks - are you suggesting going back to the time when every village had its own farmer, bootmaker, butcher, etc?
I'm suggesting a rebalancing of the economy with the emphasis taken off ever increasing power and influence from global corps to a more localised economy with opportunity and industry available on the doorstep. The cull need not be so extensive as to be a bloodbath, but extensive enough to change the way we live our lives. Small businesses will find many more, much smaller, clients to rely upon and are in any case far more adaptable to change and opportunity than corps if the system is not set up (.through restrictive lending practices and market domination) to hamper them. Radical change is needed, continued wealth for the wealthiest is what we will get with all that entails - ghettoisation, gated communities, adhere or perish etc etc. Capitalism has been hijacked, perverted and distorted and has become the engine of slavery rather than the engine of freedom. That's the mistake the Tories have made especially in seeing it as the happy warrior it was in the post feudal world.
I don't recall any discussion about swingback this election.
Was it Rod Crosby who promoted the theory and what are his views this election?
BRING BACK SWINGBACK.
Red certainly predicted Swingback.
I questioned him about it recently and he said it had already happened. I'm not entirely convinced. I suppose it depends when and where you draw the line, but make your mind up on that.
He definitely predicted a Conservative Overall Majority and advised backing it at prices as low as 5/1. No doubt he will be along to apologise shortly.
My own apologies will appear here on May 8th.
there has been swingback in the sense that labour were 40+ mid parliment, and are now sub- 35.
SNP have fought by far the best campaign and will reap the rewards accordingly. They might hit the big FIVE O.
The Tory rhetoric in this election is probably the finish of the union if they win. If they lose the Cameron goes and the union is finished with bonkers Boris.
If he gets half a chance Milliband will deal with the SNP or if that gets to embarrassing someone else will. Milliband has received credit in this campaign for basically just tripping but not falling over on loiuve television. Strategically his campaign has been totally inept. His blurting nonsense in the TV debate has taken him from heavy odds on to be Prime Minister to no better than evens.
The Fib Dems are unlikely to be a factor if they lose a substantial number of seats because the rest will just want to survive. Clegg will likely hold on but then be removed while Danny Alexander is toast and will supply the moment of the evening which most reasonable people will celebrate. He will then join the Tories where he belongs and next time stand for a south of England seat.
Complete piffle about Danny Alexander, he is not a Conservative but he comes across as a very decent guy, when your Scottish heads are above the parapet working with Eddie you will become unpopular very quickly just like the Liberals.
Alexander comes across like the lying weaselly creep that he is. Self seeking uselesss numpty.
I'm sure in person you are a perfectly nice person,k.
Gawd we've had some outlandish predictions on here recently but that one takes the biscuit. .
Strangely most of the keyboard commandos I've met in real life don't come across anywhere as mouthy, as they do on line.
Talking about yourself?
Do you graphically describe abortions to people who ask you to stop using them as a metaphor in real life too? Nice guy
The use of the word abortion was entirely valid in the context I used it. What really upset you was it was true.
Hit anyone recently?
No what upset me was when I asked you not to use it, you graphically described an abortion
I guess I don't vote for the party you like so anything is fair game
Only hit one person in 25 years and he deserved it
Your posting history of wanting to torture criminals doesn't really stand up your sanctimony. Use of the word abortion v beating prisoners with baseball bats doesn't really leave you on the moral high ground does it?
I have no knowledge or conversations to base this on, but I think:
-Tories will end up 3% in front in the vote share - Tories will be 5-10 seats in front of Labour - Tories will have more persuasive mandate but Labour a clearer path to Number 10 - Ed will go for it, and will take his chance (understandably) to become PM, in a rainbow coalition
After that, God knows what will happen. It will be difficult to govern because I don't think the Lib Dems will support a Labour-led rainbow govt.... but I really can't predict.
Incidentally, if the Tories can hold on to 10 more Con/Lab marginal than I've suggested above, I think it will be very hard for Miliband to govern.
SNP have fought by far the best campaign and will reap the rewards accordingly. They might hit the big FIVE O.
The Tory rhetoric in this election is probably the finish of the union if they win. If they lose the Cameron goes and the union is finished with bonkers Boris.
If he gets half a chance Milliband will deal with the SNP or if that gets to embarrassing someone else will. Milliband has received credit in this campaign for basically just tripping but not falling over on loiuve television. Strategically his campaign has been totally inept. His blurting nonsense in the TV debate has taken him from heavy odds on to be Prime Minister to no better than evens.
The Fib Dems are unlikely to be a factor if they lose a substantial number of seats because the rest will just want to survive. Clegg will likely hold on but then be removed while Danny Alexander is toast and will supply the moment of the evening which most reasonable people will celebrate. He will then join the Tories where he belongs and next time stand for a south of England seat.
Alexander comes across like the lying weaselly creep that he is. Self seeking uselesss numpty.
I'm sure in person you are a perfectly nice person,k.
Gawd we've had some outlandish predictions on here recently but that one takes the biscuit. .
Strangely most of the keyboard commandos I've met in real life don't come across anywhere as mouthy, as they do on line.
Talking about yourself?
Do you graphically describe abortions to people who ask you to stop using them as a metaphor in real life too? Nice guy
The use of the word abortion was entirely valid in the context I used it. What really upset you was it was true.
Hit anyone recently?
No what upset me was when I asked you not to use it, you graphically described an abortion
I guess I don't vote for the party you like so anything is fair game
Only hit one person in 25 years and he deserved it
Your posting history of wanting to torture criminals doesn't really stand up your sanctimony. Use of the word abortion v beating prisoners with baseball bats doesn't really leave you on the moral high ground does it?
Yes it does actually
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
That video should be watched by anyone who thinks that electronic, and especially on-line, voting is in any way a good idea. It shows why it is absolute madness given current technology.
This is probably true for the UK right now, but with the caveat that "current technology" here means what the government would actually do, not what we know how to do.
Also it may not be true for all countries/elections/situations; Paper-pencil systems have a lot of serious, known vulnerabilities that have often been exploited at scale, and not all societies are good at mitigating them.
The 'current technology' is hardly an amazing caveat: it's what we've got. I haven't heard anyone in favour of e-voting come up with a workable unspoofable system. They say they have, but some have flaws you can drive a horse and cart through.
There are known vulnerabilities with the current paper-pencil systems, and that's actually in their favour: the system has been used for so long that we know the vulnerabilities and they can be acted against. It would be very hard for someone to come up with a new vulnerability that has not already been tried.
Whereas with electronic systems, we have very little idea about how they can be exploited; it depends only on the intelligence of the criminal. There are so many potential avenues to exploit that are easy to guard against in a physical system.
Worse, with electronic systems it would be possible for one person to alter hundreds, thousands or even hundreds of thousands of votes using a single exploit. That is much harder to do in a physical system.
Surely anyone who isn't certain to vote the day before an election hasn't an opinion worth recording.
Whether it is important or not depends on where they turn out. As we all know, safe Labour seats are usually low turnout seats. So that 3% gap probably does not tell us very much about the final outcome.
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
Surely anyone who isn't certain to vote the day before an election hasn't an opinion worth recording.
Whether it is important or not depends on where they turn out. As we all know, safe Labour seats are usually low turnout seats. So that 3% gap probably does not tell us very much about the final outcome.
If Labour end up on 28, and the SNP on say 47 in Scotland - for ~ 1% of the vote they could drop 5+% of the seats. That has a monstrous impact on efficiency, and has more or less eliminated Labour's bias.
One of these days in a fit of Divine retribution the Good Lord, ahem will whisper in Farron's ear that, He, the Good Lord himself is actually you know, gay.
All those careful moves to be away from the House at times of votes on anything to do with gay rights, so as not have to vote in line with LibDem policy or abstain and either offend his evangelical conscience or disappoint the party.
The man's a total wazzok but by Friday I'll have to face the idea of five more years of his picture in the pages of my Westmorland Gazette opening yet another envelope
May I just say, to cheer you up if not in fact, CON gain Westmoreland
“Which bit of the sanctimonious god-bothering treacherous little shit is there not to like?”
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
I have decided to vote tactically tomorrow as the party I would support has no chance, but I do wish to try to keep a disastrous party from winning.
Interesting to hear the comments early this morning on both ITV and BBC about the large number of undecided/DNK who could decide this GE - that is if they do turn out and vote, or in the end just cant be bothered.
Not sure if the SNP have peaked too early and may not steamroller all. Could be tactical voting in the non-Lab seats in Scotland. Also expect the LDs to do better than many predict.
The GE outcome could be sterile and requiring another GE soon. If that happens would it be under a form of PR and would the SNP retain their vote?
Will not be surprised if HSBC to move their HQ to Hong Kong and they could be followed in moving out of London by Standard Chartered and similar others whose major business is outside the UK. This would lose revenue to HMG and influence to the City of London. Our banks need sensible regulation and not penal taxation - but those espousing the politics of envy never learn.
Unfortunately the banks and the rich have not trickled down the benefit of recovery. Lending is still moribund and the recovery cash is still in their pockets. It's not politics of envy, it's the politics of anger. It's time to smash the corporations, basically, and they did it to themselves
Sooner the robbing gits decamp to elsewhere the better.
Then you won't have to worry about the loss of a Financial Services industry on independence, will you?
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
If you believe the Guardian - then there is no hope for you.
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
What matters to most people is whether the economy is in better shape than in 2010. Labour can argue all they like that they bequeathed an economy in excellent shape, but this is definitely a case where if you have to explain, you've already lost the argument.
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
Does your zero hours contract end at midnight tonight?
From upthread, if Labour really are working Canterbury hard, that's a massive waste of resources that could better be deployed in Dover and Thanet South.
TNS collection of data started 30th April, question mark over relevance. Those of you saying how well the Tories would do if UKIP didn't exist, but think how well Labour would do without SNP surge. Labour majority would have been certain!
Think how many wheels my aunt would have had, had she been a wagon. At least four, for certain!
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
And the IMF and the German Finance Minister amongst many others - who all happen not to be the Tory press.
There are plenty of reasons to criticise the Tories but their handling of the economy is not, on balance, one of them. Except of course in regard to the fact they have gone no where far enough in cutting the size of the State.
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
That'd be the Tory lies about the Venezuelan economic plan then.
From upthread, if Labour really are working Canterbury hard, that's a massive waste of resources that could better be deployed in Dover and Thanet South.
Maybe it's enthusiastic locals who would be difficult to shift en masse to somewhere else in Kent. Students perhaps? In the end if people want to work an unpromising constituency the central party cant stop them!
From upthread, if Labour really are working Canterbury hard, that's a massive waste of resources that could better be deployed in Dover and Thanet South.
It's very curious.
Never seen anything like it. Due to this being a Tory safe seat, campaigns tend to be boring.
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
Worst spoof poster ever.
There are three full stops missing from this sentence.
TNS collection of data started 30th April, question mark over relevance. Those of you saying how well the Tories would do if UKIP didn't exist, but think how well Labour would do without SNP surge. Labour majority would have been certain!
Think how many wheels my aunt would have had, had she been a wagon. At least four, for certain!
I think everyone should vote for the only party that believes in segregating it's audience by gender, that's a positive forward thinking way to behave. Apartheid against women. And for their next trick, let's make all the ethnics sit together, with the female ethnics separated out of course. It's what Keir Hardie would have wanted. Actually, it probably IS what Keir Hardie would have wanted.
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
Killing born babies is murder. Abortion isn't about babies, its about foetuses. Though the two sides of this debate will never see eye to eye.
I understand there are two sides to the argument, but graphically describing an abortion to someone who has asked you not to use it as a metaphor is not the way of a decent person
I'll ask again Nick, to no avail previously ....apparently you must have been busy , but after 10pm tomorrow will you post your projection for your result ?
Missed the earlier post, sorry - yes, a trifle busy. Will probably have a go at posting a prediction, but I'm too close to the ground to offer much certainty outside the E Mids and I know no more than anyone else about the rest of the country - I read the polls and believe them in the absence of other information.
SNP have fought by far the best campaign and will reap the rewards accordingly. They might hit the big FIVE O.
The Tory rhetoric in this election is probably the finish of the union if they win. If they lose the Cameron goes and the union is finished with bonkers Boris.
Complete piffle about Danny Alexander, he is not a Conservative but he comes across as a very decent guy, when your Scottish heads are above the parapet working with Eddie you will become unpopular very quickly just like the Liberals.
Alexander comes across like the lying weaselly creep that he is. Self seeking uselesss numpty.
I'm sure in person you are a perfectly nice person,k.
Gawd we've had some outlandish predictions on here recently but that one takes the biscuit. .
Strangely most of the keyboard commandos I've met in real life don't come across anywhere as mouthy, as they do on line.
What would be the point? You can't go around saying exactly what you really think politically to people you might have to live near or work with, any more than you can say exactly what you really think on any other subject.
If the wife asks "What do you think of my shoes / frock / hairdo / nails", you can't say "I have no opinion nor had I even noticed, as female grooming is aimed largely at other women, and hence my own interest in the matter is limited to what you have spent on it". You can't say this, much as she can't say what she thinks when you tell her you went round in under a hundred today, or the boys played a blinder, or whatever.
It tends only to be fringe fruitcakes and loonies who don't grasp this. The Greens and UKIP alike are used to people nodding politely and agreeing with them when they say something outlandish, like we should all live in tents to save polar bears, or that immigrants should all go back to Bongo Bongo Land, or whatever. They mistake social conditioning for actual agreement, and are then much mystified by the unexpected reaction when they say it to a wider audience. The first person who ever tactlessly asked Natalie Bennett where the money to buy the land for all these houses was coming from was probably Nick Ferrari. That nutter who wants to shoot the Asian Tory has probably said that many times before.
The nature of internet political discourse was accurately predicted by Monty Python's "Argument Room" sketch. It's because it's fun to argue with people in terms you otherwise couldn't.
Electoral reform is not just about changing how we elect MPs. Let's have votes@16, and a fully elected second chamber. Let's also look into voting online.
In regards to online voting: youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
(online voting is e-voting but with more flaws)
It's a stupid idea with large potential for the corruption of results. If you can't be bothered to walk to the polling station then you shouldn't be able to vote.
That's a very good video, explaining the issues in layman's terms. Us geeks have been saying this for years, everywhere electronic voting has ever happened there's been security problems with it. One determined group of people could easily swing the election, even from abroad. There need to be leaps and bounds in the state of technology before it's close to being as accurate as old fashioned pencils, paper and a room full of people counting the ballots.
Cameron's car crash interview with Humphreys revealed his phoney character in such an effective way. Cameron's trick of repeating his hackneyed mantra about job creation and Labour's failings just didn't work. What a joker!
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
Killing born babies is murder. Abortion isn't about babies, its about foetuses. Though the two sides of this debate will never see eye to eye.
What is the difference between a foetus and a baby, other than physical location? Should physical location really be the determining factor in whether a killing is murder or not?
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
Oh shut up. If you can't say anything intelligent, at least say something amusingly rude.
No, complaining that the Tories haven't cleared your mess up for you fast enough doesn't qualify.
I'll be glad when Friday's here. The telly is a waste of time with a royal baby and an election campaign. Fortunately, I'm in the seat of the kicking granny so no one bothers the electorate here.
I like the vote count though. Whoever wins will give the economy a short boost and then lose a convenient vote of confidence, having shown they can govern without the roof falling in. That's Ed I'm looking at. That will take him through to 2020 or 2021 when the roof will have fallen in.
You young 'uns will have to work harder and longer to keep us old gits in the manner to which we wish to become accustomed,.
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
Killing born babies is murder. Abortion isn't about babies, its about foetuses. Though the two sides of this debate will never see eye to eye.
What is the difference between a foetus and a baby, other than physical location? Should physical location really be the determining factor in whether a killing is murder or not?
What's the difference between a zygote or a foetus? What's the difference between an egg and a single ejaculate? Is menstruation murder? Is jacking one off?
Excellent Larry Elliot article in the Guardian which exposes in graphic terms the Tory lie about the so called ' economic plan '. The plan is in tatters, they have failed in inglorious terms. It's only the Tory press which is keeping the truth at bay.
Oh shut up. If you can't say anything intelligent, at least say something amusingly rude.
I'll ask again Nick, to no avail previously ....apparently you must have been busy , but after 10pm tomorrow will you post your projection for your result ?
Missed the earlier post, sorry - yes, a trifle busy. Will probably have a go at posting a prediction, but I'm too close to the ground to offer much certainty outside the E Mids and I know no more than anyone else about the rest of the country - I read the polls and believe them in the absence of other information.
Nick - I think JackW was asking you for a projection of your own result ..... the clue's in the question!
I'd be interested to hear reports or information on how things are going in East Midlands marginals like Sherwood, Erewash, Amber Valley, Loughborough.
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
Killing born babies is murder. Abortion isn't about babies, its about foetuses. Though the two sides of this debate will never see eye to eye.
What is the difference between a foetus and a baby, other than physical location? Should physical location really be the determining factor in whether a killing is murder or not?
What's the difference between a zygote or a foetus? What's the difference between an egg and a single ejaculate? Is menstruation murder? Is jacking one off?
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
Killing born babies is murder. Abortion isn't about babies, its about foetuses. Though the two sides of this debate will never see eye to eye.
What is the difference between a foetus and a baby, other than physical location? Should physical location really be the determining factor in whether a killing is murder or not?
What's the difference between a zygote or a foetus? What's the difference between an egg and a single ejaculate? Is menstruation murder? Is jacking one off?
Sky News "State of the Parties" graphic is ignoring UKIPs by election wins and giving them "0 seats" as it stands
Even if they were trying to be biased it would be hard to justify that
By election gains have never featured in state of the parties set ups. There's no reason they should now just because UKIP won a couple of them
Why not just put the correct numbers up?
They are saying "Conservatives have 306 seats, so they need 20 more to win a majority".. when they don't have that many and 20 more wouldn't get them a majority, just a nonsense.. they lost one to Labour as well I think.
Sky Sports News wouldnt put the Prem League table up from three weeks ago and say "Chelsea need 7 points to win the league" when that information is now out of date and misleading.. whats the difference?
I'd be interested to hear reports or information on how things are going in East Midlands marginals like Sherwood, Erewash, Amber Valley, Loughborough.
I'd be interested to hear reports or information on how things are going in East Midlands marginals like Sherwood, Erewash, Amber Valley, Loughborough.
Whilst canvassing in Broxtowe, we were joined by a couple from Sherwood, who thought it was pretty much sewn up.
I wonder when Ed will resign. Will he give himself the weekend?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
Sky News "State of the Parties" graphic is ignoring UKIPs by election wins and giving them "0 seats" as it stands
Even if they were trying to be biased it would be hard to justify that
By election gains have never featured in state of the parties set ups. There's no reason they should now just because UKIP won a couple of them
Why not just put the correct numbers up?
They are saying "Conservatives have 306 seats, so they need 20 more to win a majority".. when they don't have that many and 20 more wouldn't get them a majority, just a nonsense
Because the state of the parties at the last GE was as shown, by elections are an irrelevance as they are not fought during a national contest. On the bright side, you get to see UKIP gain Claction flash up Friday morning
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
Killing born babies is murder. Abortion isn't about babies, its about foetuses. Though the two sides of this debate will never see eye to eye.
What is the difference between a foetus and a baby, other than physical location? Should physical location really be the determining factor in whether a killing is murder or not?
What's the difference between a zygote or a foetus? What's the difference between an egg and a single ejaculate? Is menstruation murder? Is jacking one off?
A foetus is still part of the mother's body, a baby isn't
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
Killing born babies is murder. Abortion isn't about babies, its about foetuses. Though the two sides of this debate will never see eye to eye.
What is the difference between a foetus and a baby, other than physical location? Should physical location really be the determining factor in whether a killing is murder or not?
What's the difference between a zygote or a foetus? What's the difference between an egg and a single ejaculate? Is menstruation murder? Is jacking one off?
A foetus is still part of the mother's body, a baby isn't
Sky News "State of the Parties" graphic is ignoring UKIPs by election wins and giving them "0 seats" as it stands
Even if they were trying to be biased it would be hard to justify that
By election gains have never featured in state of the parties set ups. There's no reason they should now just because UKIP won a couple of them
Why not just put the correct numbers up?
They are saying "Conservatives have 306 seats, so they need 20 more to win a majority".. when they don't have that many and 20 more wouldn't get them a majority, just a nonsense
Because the state of the parties at the last GE was as shown, by elections are an irrelevance as they are not fought during a national contest. On the bright side, you get to see UKIP gain Claction flash up Friday morning
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
Killing born babies is murder. Abortion isn't about babies, its about foetuses. Though the two sides of this debate will never see eye to eye.
What is the difference between a foetus and a baby, other than physical location? Should physical location really be the determining factor in whether a killing is murder or not?
What's the difference between a zygote or a foetus? What's the difference between an egg and a single ejaculate? Is menstruation murder? Is jacking one off?
A zygote is merely a few cells, where a foetus, at least at its later stages, is a human being capable of living on its own, with a thinking brain and a beating heart.
An egg is a female cell and a sperm is a male cell.
No, menstruation and 'jacking one off' are not murder.
There's no point me even voting tactically tomorrow. My vote counts for virtually nothing.
It wouldn't matter in my constituency (Caerphilly) if everyone in my village didn't bother voting. Labour would still win.
We haven't seen one candidate from any party. I have received just two leaflets - one Plaid and one Tory and there are hardly any signs up from the main parties. There are a few Labour signs dotted around Bargoed (harder core, mining town up there...) but other than it is just UKIP. Newly eager Kippers appear more willing to display their allegiance than the other part supporters.
I think the Kippers will increase their vote share in Wales, without actually winning anything. They'll take the protest votes which the Libs took last time.
But nobody will be waiting up anxiously for the Caerphilly count, sadly.
Didn’t the Plaid take Caerphilly BC some time ago, for a while?
Yeah, but they are miles off in the GE. Plaid seem to have a ceiling in Wales and struggle to get above it. South East Wales is not very Plaid at all, picking up votes mainly among the people who went to Welsh school (you won't get a cruder political analysis than that).
It'll be Labour all the way, although there are signs in these historic Labour communities (just as in Scotland) that people are realising that Labour take these seats for granted. There has been some vitriol towards Wayne David on social media over ignorance and reneged promises. But I guess all sitting MPs get that, whatever the party.
Amomng my Family Histtory artefacts I’ve a certficate showing that my father studied (inter alia) Welsh at Caerphilly Secondary School 1923-8!
Wow, your Dad may have known Tommy Cooper! He was a Caerphilly* boy.
I went to Lewis Boys, the same school that Neil Kinnock went to. I suspect it was a far more rigorous grammar school in his day than it was a scuzzy comp during my time there. I enjoyed it though - a proper all valleyboys school.
*Caerphilly Castle is the most taken-for-granted, amazing place. I pass it often, as do most of us Caerphilly borough folk, and take little notice of it. I pushed the kids round there in a pram the other day and spoke to American, Canadian and Japanese tourists all on the same Saturday morning. Sometimes we don't realise how amazing our country is.
He never mentioned Tommy Cooper, and I'm sure he would have named dropped if he could! I've been to the Castle once, when I was young; must go again. Got some FH searching to do in the area, althoughthere are no relations that I ever met there now.
I wonder when Ed will resign. Will he give himself the weekend?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
I've seen a few hints that he wants to stay on - even if they move backwards. Is there any process for removing a Labour leader?
I'd be interested to hear reports or information on how things are going in East Midlands marginals like Sherwood, Erewash, Amber Valley, Loughborough.
Sherwood will be a Labour gain, Erewash probably, Amber Valley impossible to call, Loughborough a Tory hold. Labour looking at between 3 and 5 gains in the East Midlands. Broxtowe and Amber Valley are expected to be the closest calls.
Sky News "State of the Parties" graphic is ignoring UKIPs by election wins and giving them "0 seats" as it stands
Even if they were trying to be biased it would be hard to justify that
By election gains have never featured in state of the parties set ups. There's no reason they should now just because UKIP won a couple of them
Why not just put the correct numbers up?
They are saying "Conservatives have 306 seats, so they need 20 more to win a majority".. when they don't have that many and 20 more wouldn't get them a majority, just a nonsense
Because the state of the parties at the last GE was as shown, by elections are an irrelevance as they are not fought during a national contest. On the bright side, you get to see UKIP gain Claction flash up Friday morning
So the figures are wrong, that's handy
Oh quit it. It's always been shown thusly. You wouldn't compare next years Premier League to this by putting up the table for Xmas.
the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate.
How can you say that?
The bankers, the bonuses, the bankers, more tax, the bankers, borrowing, spending, welfare, the bankers.
Sky News "State of the Parties" graphic is ignoring UKIPs by election wins and giving them "0 seats" as it stands
Even if they were trying to be biased it would be hard to justify that
By election gains have never featured in state of the parties set ups. There's no reason they should now just because UKIP won a couple of them
Why not just put the correct numbers up?
They are saying "Conservatives have 306 seats, so they need 20 more to win a majority".. when they don't have that many and 20 more wouldn't get them a majority, just a nonsense
Because the state of the parties at the last GE was as shown, by elections are an irrelevance as they are not fought during a national contest. On the bright side, you get to see UKIP gain Claction flash up Friday morning
I wonder when Ed will resign. Will he give himself the weekend?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
I've seen a few hints that he wants to stay on - even if they move backwards. Is there any process for removing a Labour leader?
A few phone calls? That's why it may take until the end of the weekend.
I wonder when Ed will resign. Will he give himself the weekend?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
I can see him winning a second term in 2020 if he avoids disaster in the next 5 years, you think he'll be gone this weekend.
Lol!
Based on the polls, and logic, I expect Labour to win most seats, and as a result the only resignation I expect to see in the immediate term is Cameron's which should come fairly quickly on Friday morning once it is clear he cannot surpass Labour's total.
He might even have announced it before most people get to work on Friday morning.
I wonder when Ed will resign. Will he give himself the weekend?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
You are too fatalistic, SO. Ed could easily be on his way to shake hands with the Queen in 48 hours.
You, Dan Hodges and Rogerdamus all predicting a Tory win is the worst news I've had all week!
Sky News "State of the Parties" graphic is ignoring UKIPs by election wins and giving them "0 seats" as it stands
Even if they were trying to be biased it would be hard to justify that
By election gains have never featured in state of the parties set ups. There's no reason they should now just because UKIP won a couple of them
Why not just put the correct numbers up?
They are saying "Conservatives have 306 seats, so they need 20 more to win a majority".. when they don't have that many and 20 more wouldn't get them a majority, just a nonsense.. they lost one to Labour as well I think.
Sky Sports News wouldnt put the Prem League table up from three weeks ago and say "Chelsea need 7 points to win the league" when that information is now out of date and misleading.. whats the difference?
I wonder when Ed will resign. Will he give himself the weekend?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
I've seen a few hints that he wants to stay on - even if they move backwards. Is there any process for removing a Labour leader?
A few phone calls? That's why it may take until the end of the weekend.
I think he's done enough to get to No10... he'll be the weakest PM ever however.
I wonder when Ed will resign. Will he give himself the weekend?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
I've seen a few hints that he wants to stay on - even if they move backwards. Is there any process for removing a Labour leader?
A few phone calls? That's why it may take until the end of the weekend.
I think he's done enough to get to No10... he'll be the weakest PM ever however.
I wonder when Ed will resign. Will he give himself the weekend?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
Bit of a the premature farewell I'd suggest. It's far more likely to be hello Ed you have the arithmetic to be PM - now go figure.
Good memories of the night of 1992's election. I was at an industry do at the Dorchester. The collective sense was Kinnock was going to win, so everyone basically viewed the night as the last supper before disaster. Boy oh boy did everyone drink that night.
Through the hangover the next morning, seeing Major had actually won was like a dream!
... the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate.
He should never have dropped the owls policy. We know Labour are going to be a bag of incoherent lefty shite on the economy but they had one major election wining policy - and then they dropped it! Axelrod should be sacked. If Labour lose it tomorrow we can trace it back to teh glorious day Labour promised everyone British person a free owl but then, stupidly, cruelly, unforgivably withdrew it. And if you can't trust Labour with owls what can you trust them with?
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Those of you saying how well the Tories would do if UKIP didn't exist, but think how well Labour would do without SNP surge. Labour majority would have been certain!
Radical change is needed, continued wealth for the wealthiest is what we will get with all that entails - ghettoisation, gated communities, adhere or perish etc etc.
Capitalism has been hijacked, perverted and distorted and has become the engine of slavery rather than the engine of freedom. That's the mistake the Tories have made especially in seeing it as the happy warrior it was in the post feudal world.
Labour are far below 286 on the lines and on the spreads. A Lab majority was certainly possible but certain is a 'stretch'.
The SNP have surged for a reason, too - Labour don't have a God given right to Scotland.
I have no knowledge or conversations to base this on, but I think:
-Tories will end up 3% in front in the vote share
- Tories will be 5-10 seats in front of Labour
- Tories will have more persuasive mandate but Labour a clearer path to Number 10
- Ed will go for it, and will take his chance (understandably) to become PM, in a rainbow coalition
After that, God knows what will happen. It will be difficult to govern because I don't think the Lib Dems will support a Labour-led rainbow govt.... but I really can't predict.
Incidentally, if the Tories can hold on to 10 more Con/Lab marginal than I've suggested above, I think it will be very hard for Miliband to govern.
Tantalising (if I'm right)!
Babies are innocent children, people that behead others deserve extreme punishment
You equate killing babies and revelling in the act of describing it with punishing criminals. Prob best you see a psychiatrist sometime soon
There are known vulnerabilities with the current paper-pencil systems, and that's actually in their favour: the system has been used for so long that we know the vulnerabilities and they can be acted against. It would be very hard for someone to come up with a new vulnerability that has not already been tried.
Whereas with electronic systems, we have very little idea about how they can be exploited; it depends only on the intelligence of the criminal. There are so many potential avenues to exploit that are easy to guard against in a physical system.
Worse, with electronic systems it would be possible for one person to alter hundreds, thousands or even hundreds of thousands of votes using a single exploit. That is much harder to do in a physical system.
There are plenty of reasons to criticise the Tories but their handling of the economy is not, on balance, one of them. Except of course in regard to the fact they have gone no where far enough in cutting the size of the State.
Never seen anything like it. Due to this being a Tory safe seat, campaigns tend to be boring.
Con 34%, Lab 33%, UKIP 14%, LD 8%, Greens 5%
A rogue poll today could be entertaining!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-aAx4SOn0
It's what Keir Hardie would have wanted.
Actually, it probably IS what Keir Hardie would have wanted.
If the wife asks "What do you think of my shoes / frock / hairdo / nails", you can't say "I have no opinion nor had I even noticed, as female grooming is aimed largely at other women, and hence my own interest in the matter is limited to what you have spent on it". You can't say this, much as she can't say what she thinks when you tell her you went round in under a hundred today, or the boys played a blinder, or whatever.
It tends only to be fringe fruitcakes and loonies who don't grasp this. The Greens and UKIP alike are used to people nodding politely and agreeing with them when they say something outlandish, like we should all live in tents to save polar bears, or that immigrants should all go back to Bongo Bongo Land, or whatever. They mistake social conditioning for actual agreement, and are then much mystified by the unexpected reaction when they say it to a wider audience. The first person who ever tactlessly asked Natalie Bennett where the money to buy the land for all these houses was coming from was probably Nick Ferrari. That nutter who wants to shoot the Asian Tory has probably said that many times before.
The nature of internet political discourse was accurately predicted by Monty Python's "Argument Room" sketch. It's because it's fun to argue with people in terms you otherwise couldn't.
No, complaining that the Tories haven't cleared your mess up for you fast enough doesn't qualify.
I'll be glad when Friday's here. The telly is a waste of time with a royal baby and an election campaign. Fortunately, I'm in the seat of the kicking granny so no one bothers the electorate here.
I like the vote count though. Whoever wins will give the economy a short boost and then lose a convenient vote of confidence, having shown they can govern without the roof falling in. That's Ed I'm looking at. That will take him through to 2020 or 2021 when the roof will have fallen in.
You young 'uns will have to work harder and longer to keep us old gits in the manner to which we wish to become accustomed,.
What's the difference between an egg and a single ejaculate?
Is menstruation murder?
Is jacking one off?
http://i.imgur.com/MvQwUMv.png
BBC News talking about a story about "criminalising men who pay for sex". What about women who pay for sex? Is that different?
Even if they were trying to be biased it would be hard to justify that
They are saying "Conservatives have 306 seats, so they need 20 more to win a majority".. when they don't have that many and 20 more wouldn't get them a majority, just a nonsense.. they lost one to Labour as well I think.
Sky Sports News wouldnt put the Prem League table up from three weeks ago and say "Chelsea need 7 points to win the league" when that information is now out of date and misleading.. whats the difference?
He has surprised me and I suspect plenty of others during this campaign. I thought he would be a six week car crash, but he has actually done well. However, the bottom line is that despite having four years to make a mark he has failed to deliver a coherent, credible set of policies to put in front of the electorate. On top of which he has presided over Labour's total collapse in Scotland. That is not a prospectus for continued leadership after an election in which Labour will stand still in seat numbers, at best. So, farewell Ed - you fought a decent campaign, but you were a desperately poor leader.
An egg is a female cell and a sperm is a male cell.
No, menstruation and 'jacking one off' are not murder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-32598711
For my wife it was his posts of yesterday which whilst bashing the tories I found fairly harmless and normal political knockabout.
How can you say that?
The bankers, the bonuses, the bankers, more tax, the bankers, borrowing, spending, welfare, the bankers.
What's incoherent or incredible about that?
AND, you get a GIANT gravestone.
Other people's way: WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
Welcome to pb.com, Mr. Simmonite.
Edited extra bit: cheers, Mr. Floater. That does sound beyond the pale.
Lol!
Based on the polls, and logic, I expect Labour to win most seats, and as a result the only resignation I expect to see in the immediate term is Cameron's which should come fairly quickly on Friday morning once it is clear he cannot surpass Labour's total.
He might even have announced it before most people get to work on Friday morning.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/miliband-nasty-bad-man-2015050698064
You, Dan Hodges and Rogerdamus all predicting a Tory win is the worst news I've had all week!
Out by next year. Con Maj nailed on after that.
Through the hangover the next morning, seeing Major had actually won was like a dream!