I find it deeply offensive that the plethora of luvvies that Labour are rolling out think that fairness, honesty and decency are the monopoly of the Labour party.
I'd laugh, if it didn't make me so angry.
I think many would argue that they are values no longer represented by any of the mainstream political parties'.
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
Labour have started and closed this campaign with an appeal to values voters. It's very American.
The Conservatives haven't tried to say who they stand for: I'd say that was a serious failing.
Dare I mention hard working families? I think Cameron has been reasonably good at articulating that latterly. The people who work, pay their taxes, create jobs, pay their debts, worry about what their children are going to inherit and do the right thing. Believe it or not according to preference but I don't think it is right to say he has not articulated it.
“Afraid” is the right word. Ashcroft’s polling suggests a rather better performance for Labour around the country than their own canvassing returns suggest. Campaign data isn’t polling, of course: but remember that Labour’s data was instrumental in deciding where to make a stand and fight against the tide in 2010. For the most part, those calls were validated by either narrow holds against the odds, or defeats by smaller margins than the national swing would have predicted.
But the problem for Labour is if their own data is right, it looks increasingly likely that not only will Clegg survive in Sheffield Hallam, but he will return to government as David Cameron’s deputy once again.
Mr. Royale, saw an interesting piece on the TV some time ago. It suggested many comedians have difficult histories or psychological troubles and use comedy as a kind of stress relief/therapy. Comediennes, on the other hand, [it was asserted] tend to be confident and more at ease.
Psychological troubles? That might explain why so many of them support the Labour party.
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
They aren't Nats.
Sean Clerkin is a hardcore socialist who campaigns against SLAB not for anyone. He is not associated with the SNP and as far as anyone is aware is not a supporter of Independence.
@kiranstacey: This protestor last wk told me he wasn't SNP. This is where I next saw his mask. SNP said someone dropped it round. http://t.co/f18P8wwbLK
This two stage question is utter nonsense. The second question "and now turning to you own constituency" is the equivalent to saying "right lets see how bright or thick you are, do you know what's going on in your own constituency" of course peeps are going to give a different answer they don't want to appear uninformed. And any one who think naming the MP/candidates is anymore accurate is utterly deluded. Virtually no-one knows the name of their MP and the candidates ROFL.
If that were the case, you would see people change their minds in non LD constituencies. They do not.
Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.
Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Clegg's a good guy generally. The coalition have been outstanding at keeping any bickering to a minimum.
I look forwards to the day when the LDs replace Labour as the opposition. Top men the LDs, although I disagree with their conclusions often.
On that day too perhaps counter-rationalists like Brand will have their ears nailed to planks and be set afloat in the Atlantic.
"I'm a decent human being, so I vote X" has the clear implication that political disagreement = being an uncaring swine.
It's kind of like the Tories laying claim to patriotism.
You are undoubtedly patriotic, SO. Sadly, there are many in the senior ranks of the Labour party who reject the concepts of nation states entirely, and emanate an instinctive distaste of Englishness.
I don't understand why Labour can't be like the US Democrats. Their patriotism is never in doubt, and they're unashamedly and proudly American.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
Then Clegg on Saturday said he might prop up a Lab/SNP coalition, contradicting himself from a week before.
Given the anti Labour nature of the LD leaflets - Remember this - No Money Left with unflattering shots of Balls and Miliband. With Conservatives can't win here, vote LD to stop Labour.
Anyone making a tactical vote after this would be far from impressed if the LDs link up with Labour.
Local BBC news shows Cameron almost egged in Bath.
I find it deeply offensive that the plethora of luvvies that Labour are rolling out think that fairness, honesty and decency are the monopoly of the Labour party.
I'd laugh, if it didn't make me so angry.
I think many would argue that they are values no longer represented by any of the mainstream political parties'.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for . It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
Then Clegg on Saturday said he might prop up a Lab/SNP coalition, contradicting himself from a week before.
Okay, that really is a guy who is a complete desperado for power. Thankfully, he doesn't represent many LDs at all.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Clegg's a good guy generally. The coalition have been outstanding at keeping any bickering to a minimum.
I look forwards to the day when the LDs replace Labour as the opposition. Top men the LDs, although I disagree with their conclusions often.
On that day too perhaps counter-rationalists like Brand will have their ears nailed to planks and be set afloat in the Atlantic.
I suppose for me there is an issue around the fact that he told a third party (who told 'the world') and didn't just say it himself. Who else does he share these conversations with?
Balls: Croydon Central Umunna: Wirral West Owen Smith: Carmarthen East and West, Llanelli Burnham: Loughborough, Sherwood Benn: Elmet and Rothwell Kendall: Glasgow Central, Edinburgh South Dugher: Amber Valley Watson: Bermondsey, Lewisham Deptford, Battarsea, Islington N&S, Hornsey Twigg: Yardley, Wolverhampton SW Kate Green: Warrington South Sharon Hodgson: Recar Clive Betts (Sheffield NE): Bedford Byrne: Gloucester Blomfield (Sheffield Central): Colne Valley Kevan Jones: Stockton South Helen Goodman: Stockton South Fovargue (Makerfield): Bolton West Lammy: Hornsey Thornberry: Hornsey
Neil and Glenys Kinnock: Vale of Glamorgan Cherie Blair: Reading West Eddie Izzard: Scotland Steve Coogan: Bermondsey, Deptford, Battarsea, Islington North and South; Hornsey
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
They aren't Nats.
Sean Clerkin is a hardcore socialist who campaigns against SLAB not for anyone. He is not associated with the SNP and as far as anyone is aware is not a supporter of Independence.
He seems to be quite widely reported as having been an SNP candidate in local elections. Where has that common misconception (it must after all be a misconception, if he is not associated with the SNP and not a supporter of independence) come from?
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
Then Clegg on Saturday said he might prop up a Lab/SNP coalition, contradicting himself from a week before.
Its all posturing. Ignore it. Vote Lib Dem in S Hallam. Keep the baby earing Labour guy out.
Given the anti Labour nature of the LD leaflets - Remember this - No Money Left with unflattering shots of Balls and Miliband. With Conservatives can't win here, vote LD to stop Labour.
Anyone making a tactical vote after this would be far from impressed if the LDs link up with Labour.
Local BBC news shows Cameron almost egged in Bath.
At least he is mixing with the Public - more than can be said for EM - and Jim Murphy is on his soapbox enduring lots of hassle - we saw what happens to EM when he meets ordinary people at the QT debate when he was audibly booed for denying labour borrowed too much
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
Then Clegg on Saturday said he might prop up a Lab/SNP coalition, contradicting himself from a week before.
Its all posturing. Ignore it. Vote Lib Dem in S Hallam. Keep the baby earing Labour guy out.
I still haven't submitted my postal vote, just filled it in.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for . It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
Huppert is the only near enough cert in a Lib-Lab marginal to my mind.
I would point out that both JackW and I were telling everyone to get on at any price better than evens a year ago.
I'm now looking for "unlikely libdem holds"... Birmingham Yardley at evens looks very tempting. H&WG at anything better than 2-1 might be interesting. I don't fancy Cardiff Central. And my (admittedly total partisan) source tells me David Ward "is a dead cert". (Although I wouldn't back him at less than 7-2).
This two stage question is utter nonsense. The second question "and now turning to you own constituency" is the equivalent to saying "right lets see how bright or thick you are, do you know what's going on in your own constituency" of course peeps are going to give a different answer they don't want to appear uninformed. And any one who think naming the MP/candidates is anymore accurate is utterly deluded. Virtually no-one knows the name of their MP and the candidates ROFL.
If that were the case, you would see people change their minds in non LD constituencies. They do not.
Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.
Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
OK so firstly I agree there are exceptions well known figures like Clegg and particularly active MPs. On that I concede.
But they do change their mind in non Lib Dem constituencies, that is the whole theme of this stupid "it's different in the marginals" stuff.
drspyn Getting egged did Major no harm. Looks like both Murphy and Clegg could be helped by Tory tactical event
Also, did some phoning in Vale of Clwyd today, reasonably positive, some staunch Tories and Labour voters and the odd Plaid, but also several still undecided, so still much to play for
@patrickwintour: Labour may look for coalition with LDs if it cannot form a majority government on own, says BBC. BBC set to disclose election date next.
Huppert is the only near enough cert in a Lib-Lab marginal to my mind.
I would point out that both JackW and I were telling everyone to get on at any price better than evens a year ago.
I'm now looking for "unlikely libdem holds"... Birmingham Yardley at evens looks very tempting. H&WG at anything better than 2-1 might be interesting. I don't fancy Cardiff Central. And my (admittedly total partisan) source tells me David Ward "is a dead cert". (Although I wouldn't back him at less than 7-2).
I'm on Labour at a frankly awful 1-8 there (Got carried away when looking at Brent Central data) so I'm hoping your source is wrong. It'd require a staggering personal vote for him to hang on.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for . It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
How's the campaign going for you, Mark?
Medical problems and a recent minor op have kept me indoors .
This two stage question is utter nonsense. The second question "and now turning to you own constituency" is the equivalent to saying "right lets see how bright or thick you are, do you know what's going on in your own constituency" of course peeps are going to give a different answer they don't want to appear uninformed. And any one who think naming the MP/candidates is anymore accurate is utterly deluded. Virtually no-one knows the name of their MP and the candidates ROFL.
If that were the case, you would see people change their minds in non LD constituencies. They do not.
Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.
Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
OK so firstly I agree there are exceptions well known figures like Clegg and particularly active MPs. On that I concede.
But they do change their mind in non Lib Dem constituencies, that is the whole theme of this stupid "it's different in the marginals" stuff.
Go on then: give me the URL of the Ashcroft poll which proves your point
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for . It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
How's the campaign going for you, Mark?
Medical problems and a recent minor op have kept me indoors .
@patrickwintour: Labour may look for coalition with LDs if it cannot form a majority government on own, says BBC. BBC set to disclose election date next.
And people wonder why Cameron has been in the SW!
As a still undecided voter I know one thing: You can't trust the Lib Dems !
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for . It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
How's the campaign going for you, Mark?
Medical problems and a recent minor op have kept me indoors .
I'm sorry to hear that.
Thanks , nothing life threatening but inconvenient .
This two stage question is utter nonsense. The second question "and now turning to you own constituency" is the equivalent to saying "right lets see how bright or thick you are, do you know what's going on in your own constituency" of course peeps are going to give a different answer they don't want to appear uninformed. And any one who think naming the MP/candidates is anymore accurate is utterly deluded. Virtually no-one knows the name of their MP and the candidates ROFL.
If that were the case, you would see people change their minds in non LD constituencies. They do not.
Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.
Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
OK so firstly I agree there are exceptions well known figures like Clegg and particularly active MPs. On that I concede.
But they do change their mind in non Lib Dem constituencies, that is the whole theme of this stupid "it's different in the marginals" stuff.
Go on then: give me the URL of the Ashcroft poll which proves your point
give me half an hour I need to take the dog for a walk....
Lib Dems are the most passive, and would prefer to watch others have sex than do it themselves. However, they are also most likely to romp with a transvestite or someone of a different race.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for . It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
Some things are less clear than they may appear of course. People are mistaken as tribal supporters of another persuasion not uncommonly.
Lib Dems are the most passive, and would prefer to watch others have sex than do it themselves. However, they are also most likely to romp with a transvestite or someone of a different race.
Does the poll confirm that Kippers like a finger up the fundament?
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.
Lib Dems are the most passive, and would prefer to watch others have sex than do it themselves. However, they are also most likely to romp with a transvestite or someone of a different race.
Does the poll confirm that Kippers like a finger up the fundament?
Wasn't only yesterday that a UKipper from Barnsley was a friend of Mrs Palm and her five lovely daughters.
I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...
On that day too perhaps counter-rationalists like Brand will have their ears nailed to planks and be set afloat in the Atlantic.
Balls: Croydon Central Umunna: Wirral West Owen Smith: Carmarthen East and West, Llanelli Burnham: Loughborough, Sherwood Benn: Elmet and Rothwell Kendall: Glasgow Central, Edinburgh South Dugher: Amber Valley Watson: Bermondsey, Lewisham Deptford, Battarsea, Islington N&S, Hornsey Twigg: Yardley, Wolverhampton SW Kate Green: Warrington South Sharon Hodgson: Recar Clive Betts (Sheffield NE): Bedford Byrne: Gloucester Blomfield (Sheffield Central): Colne Valley Kevan Jones: Stockton South Helen Goodman: Stockton South Fovargue (Makerfield): Bolton West Lammy: Hornsey Thornberry: Hornsey
Neil and Glenys Kinnock: Vale of Glamorgan Cherie Blair: Reading West Eddie Izzard: Scotland Steve Coogan: Bermondsey, Deptford, Battarsea, Islington North and South; Hornsey
Looks like Bermondsey in play. Glasgow Central and Edinburgh South - slightly off the bottom in Scotland for Labour.
Labour have started and closed this campaign with an appeal to values voters. It's very American.
The Conservatives haven't tried to say who they stand for: I'd say that was a serious failing.
The Conservatives are running a technocratic "don't let the other lot ruin it" aka 1992.
Which just about worked for them when they went in with 376 seats and came out with 336, just enough to last a Parliament. Today's Tories have no such luxury.
I wonder if there are consequences for other Lib Dem MPs who are relying on Labour votes to prop them up. Will they lose trust in the Lib Dems as a potential anti-Tory ally when Tory support for Clegg is plastered all over the Guardian?
It's also worth noting that the Tories are set to pick up around one million 2010 Lib Dem voters according to the polls.
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
They aren't Nats.
Sean Clerkin is a hardcore socialist who campaigns against SLAB not for anyone. He is not associated with the SNP and as far as anyone is aware is not a supporter of Independence.
He seems to be quite widely reported as having been an SNP candidate in local elections. Where has that common misconception (it must after all be a misconception, if he is not associated with the SNP and not a supporter of independence) come from?
I'm unaware of him ever standing for the SNP and as he's not (and again as far as I know) never has been a member he couldn't have. He is associated with the Scottish Socialist Alliance.
It's not up to me to prove a negative. You need to provide evidence of your unsubstantiated claim.
The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.
Yes. And they are. But what puzzles me is why share this? What purpose does it serve except to demotivate? I can understand a newspaper doing it, but Labour's house journal? That makes no sense.
The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.
Yeah I posted that downthread.
The most interesting things to happen this weekend were the Tories and Labour telling the media that the Tories we're going to be ahead on seats and that Ed would be safe if he didn't become PM
I used to like Nick Witchell on the Six O'clock News with Sue Lawley in the 80s and 90s but these days he gets on my nerves a bit. (I was a big fan of the Six O'clock News as a primary school pupil, which shows how odd I was/am).
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.
The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.
Yes. And they are. But what puzzles me is why share this? What purpose does it serve except to demotivate? I can understand a newspaper doing it, but Labour's house journal? That makes no sense.
New Statesman has seemed quite maudlin for Labour for years.
''If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast. Makes sense''
Didn't you know that this is one of those events that the bubble has decreed 'Simply Can't Happen?'
It might well be, but in a tight election the Tory leadership isn't half thick. Pressurise Labour in more of their back yards and there are fewer people to bus in to contesting marginals.
The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.
The Sunday Times reported that Labour privately expects to come "5 to 10 seats" behind the Tories. Obviously that means they also expect to lose the popular vote.
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.
I doubt those voting for Clegg are tactically voting against Labour - it's far more about the overall importance Clegg plays' in terms of the Tories' coalition hopes.
I think Tredinnick will have another poor result relative to other Tory MPs in the area, but he'll hold on as usual, with the opposition vote divided three ways between LD, Lab and UKIP.
The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.
The Sunday Times reported that Labour privately expects to come "5 to 10 seats" behind the Tories. Obviously that means they also expect to lose the popular vote.
10 seats behind the Tories means that basically they've won, unless the Nats massively underperform and Lib Dems outperform.
Belfast South could get into the mix at the margins too.
"It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread."
We've just seen it on TV. We've just seen the thugs interviewed. Why peddle such nonsense?
Because it's true.
East Renfrewshire CLP are co-ordinating with Clerkin and Doughty so they turn up when Labour want them to. At least they aren't facing court like the Labour PPC for St Helens South facing an alleged assault at a Polling Place during the Referendum.
The Bow Group, one of the oldest Tory groups has urged Tories to vote tactically for UKIP in seats where the Tories aren't in contention.
I'm glad I'm part of the Tory Reform Group (and signed up to the No Turning Back Group)
You really can't do sums can you ?
If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast.Makes sense
It's not even as if Cameron gives a shit about the Northern cities.
The plans for the Northern Powerhouses say otherwise.
I'm not a fan of the Kippers. They'll be like an STD. Very hard to shift once they get a seat.
It's a plan, they haven't actually done much. Other plans include reducing the deficit, rebalancing the economy and building a high speed rail system. Where once again it's all talk no action.
Make up your mind, is Ed the scariest thing ever or is it you just can't bear to work with people you don't like to keep him out ?
The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.
The Sunday Times reported that Labour privately expects to come "5 to 10 seats" behind the Tories. Obviously that means they also expect to lose the popular vote.
Only that? Looking at some projections, they are 20-30 seats behind Con.
P.S Dan Hodges....I think he should wait until Thursday night before there's egg on his face.
Balls: Croydon Central Umunna: Wirral West Owen Smith: Carmarthen East and West, Llanelli Burnham: Loughborough, Sherwood Benn: Elmet and Rothwell Kendall: Glasgow Central, Edinburgh South Dugher: Amber Valley Watson: Bermondsey, Lewisham Deptford, Battarsea, Islington N&S, Hornsey Twigg: Yardley, Wolverhampton SW Kate Green: Warrington South Sharon Hodgson: Recar Clive Betts (Sheffield NE): Bedford Byrne: Gloucester Blomfield (Sheffield Central): Colne Valley Kevan Jones: Stockton South Helen Goodman: Stockton South Fovargue (Makerfield): Bolton West Lammy: Hornsey Thornberry: Hornsey
Neil and Glenys Kinnock: Vale of Glamorgan Cherie Blair: Reading West Eddie Izzard: Scotland Steve Coogan: Bermondsey, Deptford, Battarsea, Islington North and South; Hornsey
Looks like Bermondsey in play. Glasgow Central and Edinburgh South - slightly off the bottom in Scotland for Labour.
It equally looks like they're really worried about gaining h&WG
The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.
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The Conservatives haven't tried to say who they stand for: I'd say that was a serious failing.
The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
But the problem for Labour is if their own data is right, it looks increasingly likely that not only will Clegg survive in Sheffield Hallam, but he will return to government as David Cameron’s deputy once again.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/are-ashcroft-polls-wrong
Sean Clerkin is a hardcore socialist who campaigns against SLAB not for anyone. He is not associated with the SNP and as far as anyone is aware is not a supporter of Independence.
Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.
Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
[I have grave doubts about many politicians standing up for the national interest].
Anyway, having actually done some work, off to re-read Sean McGlynn's excellent book on torture and war crimes in the medieval period.
I look forwards to the day when the LDs replace Labour as the opposition. Top men the LDs, although I disagree with their conclusions often.
On that day too perhaps counter-rationalists like Brand will have their ears nailed to planks and be set afloat in the Atlantic.
I don't understand why Labour can't be like the US Democrats. Their patriotism is never in doubt, and they're unashamedly and proudly American.
Anyone making a tactical vote after this would be far from impressed if the LDs link up with Labour.
Local BBC news shows Cameron almost egged in Bath.
@MorrisDancer. Yes, I quite agree.
However, I do agree with the thrust of your argument. Absolutely, in fact.
It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
Balls: Croydon Central
Umunna: Wirral West
Owen Smith: Carmarthen East and West, Llanelli
Burnham: Loughborough, Sherwood
Benn: Elmet and Rothwell
Kendall: Glasgow Central, Edinburgh South
Dugher: Amber Valley
Watson: Bermondsey, Lewisham Deptford, Battarsea, Islington N&S, Hornsey
Twigg: Yardley, Wolverhampton SW
Kate Green: Warrington South
Sharon Hodgson: Recar
Clive Betts (Sheffield NE): Bedford
Byrne: Gloucester
Blomfield (Sheffield Central): Colne Valley
Kevan Jones: Stockton South
Helen Goodman: Stockton South
Fovargue (Makerfield): Bolton West
Lammy: Hornsey
Thornberry: Hornsey
Neil and Glenys Kinnock: Vale of Glamorgan
Cherie Blair: Reading West
Eddie Izzard: Scotland
Steve Coogan: Bermondsey, Deptford, Battarsea, Islington North and South; Hornsey
I could have voted Tory first, then given my second vote to the Lib Dems.
AV is so much fairer than FPTP.
I'm now looking for "unlikely libdem holds"... Birmingham Yardley at evens looks very tempting. H&WG at anything better than 2-1 might be interesting. I don't fancy Cardiff Central. And my (admittedly total partisan) source tells me David Ward "is a dead cert". (Although I wouldn't back him at less than 7-2).
But they do change their mind in non Lib Dem constituencies, that is the whole theme of this stupid "it's different in the marginals" stuff.
Also, did some phoning in Vale of Clwyd today, reasonably positive, some staunch Tories and Labour voters and the odd Plaid, but also several still undecided, so still much to play for
Gordon 16/1 which Shadsy has been taking and Viscount Thurso's seat might be another one.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/434926/General-Election-How-vote-shows-like-bed
Lib Dems are the most passive, and would prefer to watch others have sex than do it themselves. However, they are also most likely to romp with a transvestite or someone of a different race.
CS&E is a good one, I may have a play...
Ukelect forecast 1 Oct 2014 Labour Majority 44 - Gain from NOC
That astonishing transformation takes place in less time than it takes Princess Charlotte to get conceived and born.
Exhibit 2: #EdStone
The most epic piece of unforced political wankerdom since - I don't know when; it certainly puts Sheffield comfortably in the shade.
It is therefore interesting at this juncture to hear from Surby about lab's electoral competence.
https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/595285375372890113
If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast.Makes sense
It's not even as if Cameron gives a shit about the Northern cities.
In 2010 the figure was 63.8% according to the BBC. I was thinking it might rise by more than the UK average.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/7.stm
It's also worth noting that the Tories are set to pick up around one million 2010 Lib Dem voters according to the polls.
It's not up to me to prove a negative. You need to provide evidence of your unsubstantiated claim.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11432344/Astrology-could-solve-crisis-in-the-NHS-says-Tory-MP.html
There is a reasonable kipper vote and the LDs run the Hinckley council well. Even so I cannot see it as a LD gain. There is active canvassing there.
Didn't you know that this is one of those events that the bubble has decreed 'Simply Can't Happen?'
"It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread."
We've just seen it on TV. We've just seen the thugs interviewed. Why peddle such nonsense?
The most interesting things to happen this weekend were the Tories and Labour telling the media that the Tories we're going to be ahead on seats and that Ed would be safe if he didn't become PM
I'm not a fan of the Kippers. They'll be like an STD. Very hard to shift once they get a seat.
Genuinely frightening.
Con 282
Lab 266,
Lib Dem 28,
SNP 50,
NI 18,
UKIP 4,
Squeaker 1,
Green 1
Belfast South could get into the mix at the margins too.
East Renfrewshire CLP are co-ordinating with Clerkin and Doughty so they turn up when Labour want them to. At least they aren't facing court like the Labour PPC for St Helens South facing an alleged assault at a Polling Place during the Referendum.
A true Rainbow coalition.
Make up your mind, is Ed the scariest thing ever or is it you just can't bear to work with people you don't like to keep him out ?
P.S Dan Hodges....I think he should wait until Thursday night before there's egg on his face.
Here's Blair McDougall, Jim Murphy's campaign chief.
https://twitter.com/NeilHHDiamond/status/595285947320786944
Unlike the pics with Salmond and Sturgeon, that pic is not something completely outside Blair McDougall's control. He's there by choice.