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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Labour have started and closed this campaign with an appeal to values voters. It's very American.

    The Conservatives haven't tried to say who they stand for: I'd say that was a serious failing.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,053
    Mr. Antifrank, Pirate Party?
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Roger said:

    The best PPB to date. Nothing flash just the most persuasive celebrity endorsement so far.

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/watch-steve-coogan-urges-people-9176553

    I find it deeply offensive that the plethora of luvvies that Labour are rolling out think that fairness, honesty and decency are the monopoly of the Labour party.

    I'd laugh, if it didn't make me so angry.
    I think many would argue that they are values no longer represented by any of the mainstream political parties'.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    edited May 2015
    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820
    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    The best PPB to date. Nothing flash just the most persuasive celebrity endorsement so far.

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/watch-steve-coogan-urges-people-9176553

    The curious thing about Steve Coogan is that Alan Partridge and Gareth Cheeseman are actually nicer than he is.
    Haha. Beat me to it!!
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,995

    Mr. Royale, quite.

    "I'm a decent human being, so I vote X" has the clear implication that political disagreement = being an uncaring swine.

    It's kind of like the Tories laying claim to patriotism.

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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Mr. Antifrank, Pirate Party?

    Aaargh no.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
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    NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    antifrank said:

    Labour have started and closed this campaign with an appeal to values voters. It's very American.

    The Conservatives haven't tried to say who they stand for: I'd say that was a serious failing.

    One of the problems of this election is that neither Labour or Conservatives stand for anyone. On that basis the Tories might be best not pretending.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Huppert is the only near enough cert in a Lib-Lab marginal to my mind.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,593
    antifrank said:

    Labour have started and closed this campaign with an appeal to values voters. It's very American.

    The Conservatives haven't tried to say who they stand for: I'd say that was a serious failing.

    Dare I mention hard working families? I think Cameron has been reasonably good at articulating that latterly. The people who work, pay their taxes, create jobs, pay their debts, worry about what their children are going to inherit and do the right thing. Believe it or not according to preference but I don't think it is right to say he has not articulated it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820
    edited May 2015
    “Afraid” is the right word. Ashcroft’s polling suggests a rather better performance for Labour around the country than their own canvassing returns suggest. Campaign data isn’t polling, of course: but remember that Labour’s data was instrumental in deciding where to make a stand and fight against the tide in 2010. For the most part, those calls were validated by either narrow holds against the odds, or defeats by smaller margins than the national swing would have predicted.

    But the problem for Labour is if their own data is right, it looks increasingly likely that not only will Clegg survive in Sheffield Hallam, but he will return to government as David Cameron’s deputy once again.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/are-ashcroft-polls-wrong
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,995

    Mr. Antifrank, Pirate Party?

    The Pirates are now the most popular party in Iceland, according to the latest poll there.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    Mr. Royale, saw an interesting piece on the TV some time ago. It suggested many comedians have difficult histories or psychological troubles and use comedy as a kind of stress relief/therapy. Comediennes, on the other hand, [it was asserted] tend to be confident and more at ease.

    Psychological troubles? That might explain why so many of them support the Labour party.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    They aren't Nats.

    Sean Clerkin is a hardcore socialist who campaigns against SLAB not for anyone. He is not associated with the SNP and as far as anyone is aware is not a supporter of Independence.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    Scott_P said:

    @kiranstacey: This protestor last wk told me he wasn't SNP. This is where I next saw his mask. SNP said someone dropped it round. http://t.co/f18P8wwbLK

    Can the Tories get any more desperate.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,326
    NoEasyDay said:

    This two stage question is utter nonsense. The second question "and now turning to you own constituency" is the equivalent to saying "right lets see how bright or thick you are, do you know what's going on in your own constituency" of course peeps are going to give a different answer they don't want to appear uninformed. And any one who think naming the MP/candidates is anymore accurate is utterly deluded. Virtually no-one knows the name of their MP and the candidates ROFL.

    If that were the case, you would see people change their minds in non LD constituencies. They do not.

    Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.

    Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,053
    Mr. Observer, play fair, old bean. When Miliband claims the French President speaks for Britain it's a slightly open goal ;)

    [I have grave doubts about many politicians standing up for the national interest].

    Anyway, having actually done some work, off to re-read Sean McGlynn's excellent book on torture and war crimes in the medieval period.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,853
    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Clegg's a good guy generally. The coalition have been outstanding at keeping any bickering to a minimum.

    I look forwards to the day when the LDs replace Labour as the opposition. Top men the LDs, although I disagree with their conclusions often.

    On that day too perhaps counter-rationalists like Brand will have their ears nailed to planks and be set afloat in the Atlantic.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    Mr. Royale, quite.

    "I'm a decent human being, so I vote X" has the clear implication that political disagreement = being an uncaring swine.

    It's kind of like the Tories laying claim to patriotism.

    You are undoubtedly patriotic, SO. Sadly, there are many in the senior ranks of the Labour party who reject the concepts of nation states entirely, and emanate an instinctive distaste of Englishness.

    I don't understand why Labour can't be like the US Democrats. Their patriotism is never in doubt, and they're unashamedly and proudly American.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
    Then Clegg on Saturday said he might prop up a Lab/SNP coalition, contradicting himself from a week before.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    Given the anti Labour nature of the LD leaflets - Remember this - No Money Left with unflattering shots of Balls and Miliband. With Conservatives can't win here, vote LD to stop Labour.

    Anyone making a tactical vote after this would be far from impressed if the LDs link up with Labour.

    Local BBC news shows Cameron almost egged in Bath.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    Roger said:

    The best PPB to date. Nothing flash just the most persuasive celebrity endorsement so far.

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/watch-steve-coogan-urges-people-9176553

    I find it deeply offensive that the plethora of luvvies that Labour are rolling out think that fairness, honesty and decency are the monopoly of the Labour party.

    I'd laugh, if it didn't make me so angry.
    I think many would argue that they are values no longer represented by any of the mainstream political parties'.
    That's a fair point.

    @MorrisDancer. Yes, I quite agree.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869
    antifrank said:

    Labour have started and closed this campaign with an appeal to values voters. It's very American.

    The Conservatives haven't tried to say who they stand for: I'd say that was a serious failing.

    The Conservatives are running a technocratic "don't let the other lot ruin it" aka 1992.

    However, I do agree with the thrust of your argument. Absolutely, in fact.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited May 2015

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for .
    It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
    Then Clegg on Saturday said he might prop up a Lab/SNP coalition, contradicting himself from a week before.
    Okay, that really is a guy who is a complete desperado for power. Thankfully, he doesn't represent many LDs at all.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    Omnium said:

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Clegg's a good guy generally. The coalition have been outstanding at keeping any bickering to a minimum.

    I look forwards to the day when the LDs replace Labour as the opposition. Top men the LDs, although I disagree with their conclusions often.

    On that day too perhaps counter-rationalists like Brand will have their ears nailed to planks and be set afloat in the Atlantic.
    I suppose for me there is an issue around the fact that he told a third party (who told 'the world') and didn't just say it himself. Who else does he share these conversations with?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Who where on the labourdoorstep today


    Balls: Croydon Central
    Umunna: Wirral West
    Owen Smith: Carmarthen East and West, Llanelli
    Burnham: Loughborough, Sherwood
    Benn: Elmet and Rothwell
    Kendall: Glasgow Central, Edinburgh South
    Dugher: Amber Valley
    Watson: Bermondsey, Lewisham Deptford, Battarsea, Islington N&S, Hornsey
    Twigg: Yardley, Wolverhampton SW
    Kate Green: Warrington South
    Sharon Hodgson: Recar
    Clive Betts (Sheffield NE): Bedford
    Byrne: Gloucester
    Blomfield (Sheffield Central): Colne Valley
    Kevan Jones: Stockton South
    Helen Goodman: Stockton South
    Fovargue (Makerfield): Bolton West
    Lammy: Hornsey
    Thornberry: Hornsey

    Neil and Glenys Kinnock: Vale of Glamorgan
    Cherie Blair: Reading West
    Eddie Izzard: Scotland
    Steve Coogan: Bermondsey, Deptford, Battarsea, Islington North and South; Hornsey
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820
    If only we had passed AV.

    I could have voted Tory first, then given my second vote to the Lib Dems.

    AV is so much fairer than FPTP.
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    They aren't Nats.

    Sean Clerkin is a hardcore socialist who campaigns against SLAB not for anyone. He is not associated with the SNP and as far as anyone is aware is not a supporter of Independence.
    He seems to be quite widely reported as having been an SNP candidate in local elections. Where has that common misconception (it must after all be a misconception, if he is not associated with the SNP and not a supporter of independence) come from?
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
    Then Clegg on Saturday said he might prop up a Lab/SNP coalition, contradicting himself from a week before.
    Its all posturing. Ignore it. Vote Lib Dem in S Hallam. Keep the baby earing Labour guy out.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,499
    dr_spyn said:

    Given the anti Labour nature of the LD leaflets - Remember this - No Money Left with unflattering shots of Balls and Miliband. With Conservatives can't win here, vote LD to stop Labour.

    Anyone making a tactical vote after this would be far from impressed if the LDs link up with Labour.

    Local BBC news shows Cameron almost egged in Bath.

    At least he is mixing with the Public - more than can be said for EM - and Jim Murphy is on his soapbox enduring lots of hassle - we saw what happens to EM when he meets ordinary people at the QT debate when he was audibly booed for denying labour borrowed too much
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    Forget Alexander. Clegg did the right thing for the country at considerable cost to his party. He deserves your vote. Alexander deserves a pint over his head for being a dork.
    Then Clegg on Saturday said he might prop up a Lab/SNP coalition, contradicting himself from a week before.
    Its all posturing. Ignore it. Vote Lib Dem in S Hallam. Keep the baby earing Labour guy out.
    I still haven't submitted my postal vote, just filled it in.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for .
    It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
    How's the campaign going for you, Mark?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,326
    Pulpstar said:

    Huppert is the only near enough cert in a Lib-Lab marginal to my mind.

    I would point out that both JackW and I were telling everyone to get on at any price better than evens a year ago.

    I'm now looking for "unlikely libdem holds"... Birmingham Yardley at evens looks very tempting. H&WG at anything better than 2-1 might be interesting. I don't fancy Cardiff Central. And my (admittedly total partisan) source tells me David Ward "is a dead cert". (Although I wouldn't back him at less than 7-2).
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    NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    rcs1000 said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    This two stage question is utter nonsense. The second question "and now turning to you own constituency" is the equivalent to saying "right lets see how bright or thick you are, do you know what's going on in your own constituency" of course peeps are going to give a different answer they don't want to appear uninformed. And any one who think naming the MP/candidates is anymore accurate is utterly deluded. Virtually no-one knows the name of their MP and the candidates ROFL.

    If that were the case, you would see people change their minds in non LD constituencies. They do not.

    Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.

    Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
    OK so firstly I agree there are exceptions well known figures like Clegg and particularly active MPs. On that I concede.

    But they do change their mind in non Lib Dem constituencies, that is the whole theme of this stupid "it's different in the marginals" stuff.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,339
    drspyn Getting egged did Major no harm. Looks like both Murphy and Clegg could be helped by Tory tactical event

    Also, did some phoning in Vale of Clwyd today, reasonably positive, some staunch Tories and Labour voters and the odd Plaid, but also several still undecided, so still much to play for
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,705
    Anyone got any bets or info on Bosworth? LibDem is 2nd and there was a big swing to him last time (from Labour).
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Scott_P said:

    @patrickwintour: Labour may look for coalition with LDs if it cannot form a majority government on own, says BBC. BBC set to disclose election date next.

    And people wonder why Cameron has been in the SW!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Huppert is the only near enough cert in a Lib-Lab marginal to my mind.

    I would point out that both JackW and I were telling everyone to get on at any price better than evens a year ago.

    I'm now looking for "unlikely libdem holds"... Birmingham Yardley at evens looks very tempting. H&WG at anything better than 2-1 might be interesting. I don't fancy Cardiff Central. And my (admittedly total partisan) source tells me David Ward "is a dead cert". (Although I wouldn't back him at less than 7-2).
    I'm on Labour at a frankly awful 1-8 there (Got carried away when looking at Brent Central data) so I'm hoping your source is wrong. It'd require a staggering personal vote for him to hang on.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for .
    It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
    How's the campaign going for you, Mark?
    Medical problems and a recent minor op have kept me indoors .
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,326
    NoEasyDay said:

    rcs1000 said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    This two stage question is utter nonsense. The second question "and now turning to you own constituency" is the equivalent to saying "right lets see how bright or thick you are, do you know what's going on in your own constituency" of course peeps are going to give a different answer they don't want to appear uninformed. And any one who think naming the MP/candidates is anymore accurate is utterly deluded. Virtually no-one knows the name of their MP and the candidates ROFL.

    If that were the case, you would see people change their minds in non LD constituencies. They do not.

    Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.

    Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
    OK so firstly I agree there are exceptions well known figures like Clegg and particularly active MPs. On that I concede.

    But they do change their mind in non Lib Dem constituencies, that is the whole theme of this stupid "it's different in the marginals" stuff.
    Go on then: give me the URL of the Ashcroft poll which proves your point
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for .
    It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
    How's the campaign going for you, Mark?
    Medical problems and a recent minor op have kept me indoors .
    I'm sorry to hear that.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820
    Unlikely Lib Dem holds.

    Gordon 16/1 which Shadsy has been taking and Viscount Thurso's seat might be another one.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    surbiton said:

    weejonnie said:

    Guardianistas going ballistic of course.

    I feel sure that on the day Labour's much lauded ground game will tip the scales in their favour.

    Anti Labour tactical voting may be the theme of this election....

    Anti Labour group couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery !
    12% Tories in Sheffield Hallam say otherwise.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054

    Scott_P said:

    @patrickwintour: Labour may look for coalition with LDs if it cannot form a majority government on own, says BBC. BBC set to disclose election date next.

    And people wonder why Cameron has been in the SW!
    As a still undecided voter I know one thing: You can't trust the Lib Dems !
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,204
    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.

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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for .
    It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
    How's the campaign going for you, Mark?
    Medical problems and a recent minor op have kept me indoors .
    I'm sorry to hear that.
    Thanks , nothing life threatening but inconvenient .
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054

    Unlikely Lib Dem holds.

    Gordon 16/1 which Shadsy has been taking and Viscount Thurso's seat might be another one.

    I make more money if the Lib Dems hold onto those 2 than if they lose them. Labour will be off a cliff in both now.
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    NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    rcs1000 said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    rcs1000 said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    This two stage question is utter nonsense. The second question "and now turning to you own constituency" is the equivalent to saying "right lets see how bright or thick you are, do you know what's going on in your own constituency" of course peeps are going to give a different answer they don't want to appear uninformed. And any one who think naming the MP/candidates is anymore accurate is utterly deluded. Virtually no-one knows the name of their MP and the candidates ROFL.

    If that were the case, you would see people change their minds in non LD constituencies. They do not.

    Look at every single Ashcroft poll: the significant shift between Q1 and Q2 happens only in LibDem constituencies, and only in some of them. So, in Cambridge, you see the Conservative vote almost halve between Q1 and Q2, and to the LibDems benefit.

    Now, you can deride it all you like, as somehow persuading people to change their minds. But if it simply was a reprompt that encouraged people to reappraise, and therefore got a false result, then it would happen in a great many seats. And it does not.
    OK so firstly I agree there are exceptions well known figures like Clegg and particularly active MPs. On that I concede.

    But they do change their mind in non Lib Dem constituencies, that is the whole theme of this stupid "it's different in the marginals" stuff.
    Go on then: give me the URL of the Ashcroft poll which proves your point
    give me half an hour I need to take the dog for a walk....
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869
    NSFW - Labour voters like it dirty, and are most likely to bonk with someone else's partner:

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/434926/General-Election-How-vote-shows-like-bed

    Lib Dems are the most passive, and would prefer to watch others have sex than do it themselves. However, they are also most likely to romp with a transvestite or someone of a different race.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,326

    Unlikely Lib Dem holds.

    Gordon 16/1 which Shadsy has been taking and Viscount Thurso's seat might be another one.

    The "Out" vote in Gordon is just too high. Sure, there'll be tactical voting, but I don't think it'll be anywhere near enough.

    CS&E is a good one, I may have a play...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Not enough Tories in Inverness to save Danny.
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    Get well soon Mark Senior. Us chaps often neglect health indications until its too late.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,326
    Pulpstar said:

    Not enough Tories in Inverness to save Danny.

    There was a 47 or 48% "Out" vote in Inverness, Nairn, and that makes it an almost inevitable SNP gain.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...

    Danny Alexander's perfidy on Thursday is what pushed me out of the Clegg camp.

    That said, most Tories in the seat I spoke to view as acceptable given the Lib Dem national polling.
    You don;t have to keep trying to justify voting Conservative to us on here . You have made it clear in all your posts on here that you are a life long tribal Conservative and it was always clear to us who would end up voting for .
    It was equally clear that Casino Royale would do the same despite his dithering and dallying with voting UKIP .
    Some things are less clear than they may appear of course. People are mistaken as tribal supporters of another persuasion not uncommonly.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820
    rcs1000 said:

    Unlikely Lib Dem holds.

    Gordon 16/1 which Shadsy has been taking and Viscount Thurso's seat might be another one.

    The "Out" vote in Gordon is just too high. Sure, there'll be tactical voting, but I don't think it'll be anywhere near enough.

    CS&E is a good one, I may have a play...
    9/2 with William Hill
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    weejonnie said:

    surbiton said:

    weejonnie said:

    Guardianistas going ballistic of course.

    I feel sure that on the day Labour's much lauded ground game will tip the scales in their favour.

    Anti Labour tactical voting may be the theme of this election....

    Anti Labour group couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery !
    12% Tories in Sheffield Hallam say otherwise.
    Exhibit 1: Ukelect forecast yesterday Lab Short By 53 - Hung Parliament
    Ukelect forecast 1 Oct 2014 Labour Majority 44 - Gain from NOC

    That astonishing transformation takes place in less time than it takes Princess Charlotte to get conceived and born.

    Exhibit 2: #EdStone

    The most epic piece of unforced political wankerdom since - I don't know when; it certainly puts Sheffield comfortably in the shade.

    It is therefore interesting at this juncture to hear from Surby about lab's electoral competence.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    NSFW - Labour voters like it dirty, and are most likely to bonk with someone else's partner:

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/434926/General-Election-How-vote-shows-like-bed

    Lib Dems are the most passive, and would prefer to watch others have sex than do it themselves. However, they are also most likely to romp with a transvestite or someone of a different race.

    Does the poll confirm that Kippers like a finger up the fundament?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,995
    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.

    That's simply untrue:

    https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/595285375372890113

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    watford30 said:

    NSFW - Labour voters like it dirty, and are most likely to bonk with someone else's partner:

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/434926/General-Election-How-vote-shows-like-bed

    Lib Dems are the most passive, and would prefer to watch others have sex than do it themselves. However, they are also most likely to romp with a transvestite or someone of a different race.

    Does the poll confirm that Kippers like a finger up the fundament?
    Wasn't only yesterday that a UKipper from Barnsley was a friend of Mrs Palm and her five lovely daughters.

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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Omnium said:

    TudorRose said:

    I wonder what these Tory tactical voters will make of Clegg's obvious inability to keep private conversations private? It plays right into the 'you can't trust the LibDems' narrative...



    On that day too perhaps counter-rationalists like Brand will have their ears nailed to planks and be set afloat in the Atlantic.
    'Labour's new floating voters'?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Who where on the labourdoorstep today


    Balls: Croydon Central
    Umunna: Wirral West
    Owen Smith: Carmarthen East and West, Llanelli
    Burnham: Loughborough, Sherwood
    Benn: Elmet and Rothwell
    Kendall: Glasgow Central, Edinburgh South
    Dugher: Amber Valley
    Watson: Bermondsey, Lewisham Deptford, Battarsea, Islington N&S, Hornsey
    Twigg: Yardley, Wolverhampton SW
    Kate Green: Warrington South
    Sharon Hodgson: Recar
    Clive Betts (Sheffield NE): Bedford
    Byrne: Gloucester
    Blomfield (Sheffield Central): Colne Valley
    Kevan Jones: Stockton South
    Helen Goodman: Stockton South
    Fovargue (Makerfield): Bolton West
    Lammy: Hornsey
    Thornberry: Hornsey

    Neil and Glenys Kinnock: Vale of Glamorgan
    Cherie Blair: Reading West
    Eddie Izzard: Scotland
    Steve Coogan: Bermondsey, Deptford, Battarsea, Islington North and South; Hornsey

    Looks like Bermondsey in play. Glasgow Central and Edinburgh South - slightly off the bottom in Scotland for Labour.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,811

    The Bow Group, one of the oldest Tory groups has urged Tories to vote tactically for UKIP in seats where the Tories aren't in contention.

    I'm glad I'm part of the Tory Reform Group (and signed up to the No Turning Back Group)

    You really can't do sums can you ?

    If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast.Makes sense

    It's not even as if Cameron gives a shit about the Northern cities.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    antifrank said:

    Labour have started and closed this campaign with an appeal to values voters. It's very American.

    The Conservatives haven't tried to say who they stand for: I'd say that was a serious failing.

    The Conservatives are running a technocratic "don't let the other lot ruin it" aka 1992.
    Which just about worked for them when they went in with 376 seats and came out with 336, just enough to last a Parliament. Today's Tories have no such luxury.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Does anyone have any ideas on what the turnout in Scotland might be?

    In 2010 the figure was 63.8% according to the BBC. I was thinking it might rise by more than the UK average.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/region/7.stm
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    I wonder if there are consequences for other Lib Dem MPs who are relying on Labour votes to prop them up. Will they lose trust in the Lib Dems as a potential anti-Tory ally when Tory support for Clegg is plastered all over the Guardian?

    It's also worth noting that the Tories are set to pick up around one million 2010 Lib Dem voters according to the polls.

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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    They aren't Nats.

    Sean Clerkin is a hardcore socialist who campaigns against SLAB not for anyone. He is not associated with the SNP and as far as anyone is aware is not a supporter of Independence.
    He seems to be quite widely reported as having been an SNP candidate in local elections. Where has that common misconception (it must after all be a misconception, if he is not associated with the SNP and not a supporter of independence) come from?
    I'm unaware of him ever standing for the SNP and as he's not (and again as far as I know) never has been a member he couldn't have. He is associated with the Scottish Socialist Alliance.

    It's not up to me to prove a negative. You need to provide evidence of your unsubstantiated claim.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Anyone got any bets or info on Bosworth? LibDem is 2nd and there was a big swing to him last time (from Labour).

    The Con incumbent there (Tredinnick) is possibly the most deluded person in the Commons, he thinks astrology is the answer to the NHS problems:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11432344/Astrology-could-solve-crisis-in-the-NHS-says-Tory-MP.html

    There is a reasonable kipper vote and the LDs run the Hinckley council well. Even so I cannot see it as a LD gain. There is active canvassing there.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    edited May 2015
    Roger said:



    PS Any more of Nicolas Witchel's grovelling obsequiousness and I think I'm going to be sick

    You are Prince Charles and I claim my £5.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast. Makes sense''

    Didn't you know that this is one of those events that the bubble has decreed 'Simply Can't Happen?'

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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,995
    antifrank said:

    The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.

    Yes. And they are. But what puzzles me is why share this? What purpose does it serve except to demotivate? I can understand a newspaper doing it, but Labour's house journal? That makes no sense.

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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    Carnyx

    "It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread."

    We've just seen it on TV. We've just seen the thugs interviewed. Why peddle such nonsense?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820
    antifrank said:

    The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.

    Yeah I posted that downthread.

    The most interesting things to happen this weekend were the Tories and Labour telling the media that the Tories we're going to be ahead on seats and that Ed would be safe if he didn't become PM
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I used to like Nick Witchell on the Six O'clock News with Sue Lawley in the 80s and 90s but these days he gets on my nerves a bit. (I was a big fan of the Six O'clock News as a primary school pupil, which shows how odd I was/am).
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    Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.

    That's simply untrue:

    https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/595285375372890113

    Shall i post a pic of Dame Anne Begg with the Sottish National Front leader ?

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    FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    weejonnie said:

    Guardianistas going ballistic of course.

    I feel sure that on the day Labour's much lauded ground game will tip the scales in their favour.

    Anti Labour tactical voting may be the theme of this election....

    Let's hope so, would have no problem voting for some Lib Dem and almost all UKIP, or indeed the Nats, if they are best placed to stop Labour.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.

    That's simply untrue:

    https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/595285375372890113

    Lol desperate stuff from McDougall.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    antifrank said:

    The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.

    Yes. And they are. But what puzzles me is why share this? What purpose does it serve except to demotivate? I can understand a newspaper doing it, but Labour's house journal? That makes no sense.

    New Statesman has seemed quite maudlin for Labour for years.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,811
    taffys said:

    ''If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast. Makes sense''

    Didn't you know that this is one of those events that the bubble has decreed 'Simply Can't Happen?'

    taffys said:

    ''If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast. Makes sense''

    Didn't you know that this is one of those events that the bubble has decreed 'Simply Can't Happen?'

    It might well be, but in a tight election the Tory leadership isn't half thick. Pressurise Labour in more of their back yards and there are fewer people to bus in to contesting marginals.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015
    antifrank said:

    The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.

    The Sunday Times reported that Labour privately expects to come "5 to 10 seats" behind the Tories. Obviously that means they also expect to lose the popular vote.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,024
    edited May 2015
    Dair said:

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.

    That's simply untrue:

    https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/595285375372890113

    Lol desperate stuff from McDougall.
    Really? It looks persuasive to me?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820

    The Bow Group, one of the oldest Tory groups has urged Tories to vote tactically for UKIP in seats where the Tories aren't in contention.

    I'm glad I'm part of the Tory Reform Group (and signed up to the No Turning Back Group)

    You really can't do sums can you ?

    If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast.Makes sense

    It's not even as if Cameron gives a shit about the Northern cities.
    The plans for the Northern Powerhouses say otherwise.

    I'm not a fan of the Kippers. They'll be like an STD. Very hard to shift once they get a seat.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.

    That's simply untrue:

    https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/595285375372890113

    Three beauties.
    Genuinely frightening.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    I doubt those voting for Clegg are tactically voting against Labour - it's far more about the overall importance Clegg plays' in terms of the Tories' coalition hopes.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I think Tredinnick will have another poor result relative to other Tory MPs in the area, but he'll hold on as usual, with the opposition vote divided three ways between LD, Lab and UKIP.

    Anyone got any bets or info on Bosworth? LibDem is 2nd and there was a big swing to him last time (from Labour).

    The Con incumbent there (Tredinnick) is possibly the most deluded person in the Commons, he thinks astrology is the answer to the NHS problems:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11432344/Astrology-could-solve-crisis-in-the-NHS-says-Tory-MP.html

    There is a reasonable kipper vote and the LDs run the Hinckley council well. Even so I cannot see it as a LD gain. There is active canvassing there.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,022
    My prediction:-

    Con 282
    Lab 266,
    Lib Dem 28,
    SNP 50,
    NI 18,
    UKIP 4,
    Squeaker 1,
    Green 1
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    AndyJS said:

    antifrank said:

    The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.

    The Sunday Times reported that Labour privately expects to come "5 to 10 seats" behind the Tories. Obviously that means they also expect to lose the popular vote.
    10 seats behind the Tories means that basically they've won, unless the Nats massively underperform and Lib Dems outperform.

    Belfast South could get into the mix at the margins too.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Roger said:

    Carnyx

    "It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread."

    We've just seen it on TV. We've just seen the thugs interviewed. Why peddle such nonsense?

    Because it's true.

    East Renfrewshire CLP are co-ordinating with Clerkin and Doughty so they turn up when Labour want them to. At least they aren't facing court like the Labour PPC for St Helens South facing an alleged assault at a Polling Place during the Referendum.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,820
    Sean_F said:

    My prediction:-

    Con 282
    Lab 266,
    Lib Dem 28,
    SNP 50,
    NI 18,
    UKIP 4,
    Squeaker 1,
    Green 1

    Con, LD, UKIP and Orangemen coalition ?

    A true Rainbow coalition.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,811

    The Bow Group, one of the oldest Tory groups has urged Tories to vote tactically for UKIP in seats where the Tories aren't in contention.

    I'm glad I'm part of the Tory Reform Group (and signed up to the No Turning Back Group)

    You really can't do sums can you ?

    If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast.Makes sense

    It's not even as if Cameron gives a shit about the Northern cities.
    The plans for the Northern Powerhouses say otherwise.

    I'm not a fan of the Kippers. They'll be like an STD. Very hard to shift once they get a seat.
    It's a plan, they haven't actually done much. Other plans include reducing the deficit, rebalancing the economy and building a high speed rail system. Where once again it's all talk no action.

    Make up your mind, is Ed the scariest thing ever or is it you just can't bear to work with people you don't like to keep him out ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054

    Sean_F said:

    My prediction:-

    Con 282
    Lab 266,
    Lib Dem 28,
    SNP 50,
    NI 18,
    UKIP 4,
    Squeaker 1,
    Green 1

    Con, LD, UKIP and Orangemen coalition ?

    A true Rainbow coalition.
    The Lib Dems are going to have great fun with that result.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,326
    Tredinnick is someone I would cheerfully vote tactically against. The man is an embarrassment.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    AndyJS said:

    antifrank said:

    The New Statesman seems to think that Labour think that they're losing.

    The Sunday Times reported that Labour privately expects to come "5 to 10 seats" behind the Tories. Obviously that means they also expect to lose the popular vote.
    Only that? Looking at some projections, they are 20-30 seats behind Con.

    P.S Dan Hodges....I think he should wait until Thursday night before there's egg on his face.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    The Bow Group, one of the oldest Tory groups has urged Tories to vote tactically for UKIP in seats where the Tories aren't in contention.

    I'm glad I'm part of the Tory Reform Group (and signed up to the No Turning Back Group)

    You really can't do sums can you ?

    If the kippers take northern seats from Labour where the Tories haven't a hope in hell of winning then Ed is toast.Makes sense

    It's not even as if Cameron gives a shit about the Northern cities.
    The plans for the Northern Powerhouses say otherwise.

    I'm not a fan of the Kippers. They'll be like an STD. Very hard to shift once they get a seat.
    1993 was the breakthrough election for the Reform Party of Canada. They did a reverse takeover of the Canadian Conservatives ten years later.



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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,326
    surbiton said:

    Who where on the labourdoorstep today


    Balls: Croydon Central
    Umunna: Wirral West
    Owen Smith: Carmarthen East and West, Llanelli
    Burnham: Loughborough, Sherwood
    Benn: Elmet and Rothwell
    Kendall: Glasgow Central, Edinburgh South
    Dugher: Amber Valley
    Watson: Bermondsey, Lewisham Deptford, Battarsea, Islington N&S, Hornsey
    Twigg: Yardley, Wolverhampton SW
    Kate Green: Warrington South
    Sharon Hodgson: Recar
    Clive Betts (Sheffield NE): Bedford
    Byrne: Gloucester
    Blomfield (Sheffield Central): Colne Valley
    Kevan Jones: Stockton South
    Helen Goodman: Stockton South
    Fovargue (Makerfield): Bolton West
    Lammy: Hornsey
    Thornberry: Hornsey

    Neil and Glenys Kinnock: Vale of Glamorgan
    Cherie Blair: Reading West
    Eddie Izzard: Scotland
    Steve Coogan: Bermondsey, Deptford, Battarsea, Islington North and South; Hornsey

    Looks like Bermondsey in play. Glasgow Central and Edinburgh South - slightly off the bottom in Scotland for Labour.
    It equally looks like they're really worried about gaining h&WG

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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    The Nats don't look good. Their thuggish behaviour should help get the tactical voters out in the secret of the polling booths.

    The Scots have always been the most thoughtful of the four nations but for some reason they think their nationalism is different and more attractive than other forms of nationalism when everyone can see it's just the same just as chauvinistic and just as ugly.

    It's the Labour party or elements in it which have been organising the behaviour seen today - see previous thread. Who and why remain to be seen, but at least two newspapers' journos have picked up on the issue at least on Twitter.

    That's simply untrue:

    https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/595285375372890113

    Lol desperate stuff from McDougall.
    Really? It looks persuasive to me?
    How hard do you think it is to get your photograph taken with Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon.

    Here's Blair McDougall, Jim Murphy's campaign chief.

    https://twitter.com/NeilHHDiamond/status/595285947320786944

    Unlike the pics with Salmond and Sturgeon, that pic is not something completely outside Blair McDougall's control. He's there by choice.
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