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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978

    I'm taking this to mean a better poll for Lab

    https://twitter.com/JBeattieMirror/status/594120179283558400

    Why can't Labour just stay lying down?

    We don't want any nasty surprises like a rebounding Labour lead this late in the game. Grrr.
    Any polls with Lab just behind or ahead is good.

    Ensures the Tory to Kip waverers come back.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Trouble with reallocating DKs according to GE2010 will underestimate UKIP and Greens. It will overestimate massively LDs.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Strap yourself in

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 35s35 seconds ago
    A lot of polls coming out in next hour or so
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032

    Blue_rog said:

    Slightly O/T but I'm trying to decide my strategy for next Thursday night. I'm normally in bed by 10.00pm so need to figure out how I can last until at least 3.00am.

    I'm travelling back from Kent on the train during the afternoon so may be able to grab some shuteye then but what about early evening! Should I try and grab some kip early evening, with the risk I just sleep straight through or do the whole marathon bit. Decisions decisions.

    Stay up till 10.15, we should have the exit polls by then.

    Head off to bed and wake up around 2 am when the decent results start coming in.

    I assume all PBers have taken off next Friday off from work?
    NO! Day 2 of a proof. I am gutted. Talked my clients into offering settlement yesterday and the other side said no. I just don't understand these people.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Next PM heading back towards another crossover?

    Cameron 2.14
    Miliband 1.88

    Con Most seats continuing to tighten - now 1.24.

    Those prices look about right to me now. (PM)

    Tories most seats is ludicrous at 1.24 though.
    I still see EdM as a 4/6 shot.

    IMO, the only thing that's changed is that tory cash has re-entered the market - blue punters fired up by seeing dave on tv last night.

    I might be wrong though :)

    Cue ashcroft polls showing the tories ahead in Doncaster N....
    People misread Ed's "No Deals" with SNP line. There'll be a deal - Labour's Queen speech.

    I *think* I'm clovered up well enough on the markets at this point though to not really care tbh though.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Anecdote alert:

    There's no doubt on the doorsteps there has been a softening of the labour vote in South West London where I have been all over.

    Tories picking up perhaps 3% of Lib vote and Labour picking up maybe 5% Lib.

    The real eye opener is that about 3% are moving from Con to Lab but 3% moving the other way.

    And of definite Labour voters they don't like Ed and I get the feeling some may not vote.

    Add in individual voter registration and I believe that Labour will not increase their vote from 2010 in South West London. (Add 5% Lib, lose 2% IVR, lose 3% soft)

    As Tories may lose 5% at most to UKIP, their vote maybe down 2%. (add Lib 3% and take away UKIP 5%)

    So I am forecasting 1% swing to reds.

    Of course, I've been wrong in the past.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    :naughty::heart:
    DavidL said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Slightly O/T but I'm trying to decide my strategy for next Thursday night. I'm normally in bed by 10.00pm so need to figure out how I can last until at least 3.00am.

    I'm travelling back from Kent on the train during the afternoon so may be able to grab some shuteye then but what about early evening! Should I try and grab some kip early evening, with the risk I just sleep straight through or do the whole marathon bit. Decisions decisions.

    Stay up till 10.15, we should have the exit polls by then.

    Head off to bed and wake up around 2 am when the decent results start coming in.

    I assume all PBers have taken off next Friday off from work?
    NO! Day 2 of a proof. I am gutted. Talked my clients into offering settlement yesterday and the other side said no. I just don't understand these people.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Dixie said:

    Anecdote alert:

    There's no doubt on the doorsteps there has been a softening of the labour vote in South West London where I have been all over.

    Tories picking up perhaps 3% of Lib vote and Labour picking up maybe 5% Lib.

    The real eye opener is that about 3% are moving from Con to Lab but 3% moving the other way.

    And of definite Labour voters they don't like Ed and I get the feeling some may not vote.

    Add in individual voter registration and I believe that Labour will not increase their vote from 2010 in South West London. (Add 5% Lib, lose 2% IVR, lose 3% soft)

    As Tories may lose 5% at most to UKIP, their vote maybe down 2%. (add Lib 3% and take away UKIP 5%)

    So I am forecasting 1% swing to reds.

    Of course, I've been wrong in the past.

    Which constituency ?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    Who would become PM if Ed Miliband was hit by a bus shortly after May 7th, and Labour had "won" ?

    Harman.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Blue_rog said:

    Slightly O/T but I'm trying to decide my strategy for next Thursday night. I'm normally in bed by 10.00pm so need to figure out how I can last until at least 3.00am.

    I'm travelling back from Kent on the train during the afternoon so may be able to grab some shuteye then but what about early evening! Should I try and grab some kip early evening, with the risk I just sleep straight through or do the whole marathon bit. Decisions decisions.

    Stay up till 10.15, we should have the exit polls by then.

    Head off to bed and wake up around 2 am when the decent results start coming in.

    I assume all PBers have taken off next Friday off from work?
    I reckon Mrs BJ will be well pissed off with me by Friday teatime when i ruin the Devon farm holiday by wanting to go to bed (to sleep) at 5pm
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032

    DavidL said:

    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft 7 mins7 minutes ago

    After a year and nearly a quarter of a million interviews, my final round of constituency polling will be on @ConHome at 4pm.

    Terrific and stirling work by Lord A, but I can't deny I will be relieved it's over!
    I may be wrong about this but I think "stirling" was one of the pretend currencies that the SNP were going to keep at the time of the referendum. Sterling was the one we knew they really couldn't continue to use and might have been a more creditable description of Lord A's work.
    Argh, bloody iPhone! He ain't half done a bad job, our Michael.

    How's that?
    Great. I am just in a Friday afternoon kind of mood. :-)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,968
    Mr. Dixie, I hope you're right on individual voter registration but the Times story mentioned on this thread make me worry the system might still be wide open to fraud.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    edited May 2015
    surbiton said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who would become PM if Ed Miliband was hit by a bus shortly after May 7th, and Labour had "won" ?

    Harman.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.116758783

    Damn, not on this list.

    Was hoping she'd be 1000.0
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    I'm taking this to mean a better poll for Lab

    https://twitter.com/JBeattieMirror/status/594120179283558400

    Why can't Labour just stay lying down?

    We don't want any nasty surprises like a rebounding Labour lead this late in the game. Grrr.
    Any polls with Lab just behind or ahead is good.

    Ensures the Tory to Kip waverers come back.
    Good point that!

    My prediction is Tories 300 seats and us Kippers 5, that would suit me betting wise and a continuation coalition is best for the country.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Lord Ashcroft ‏@LordAshcroft 7 mins7 minutes ago

    After a year and nearly a quarter of a million interviews, my final round of constituency polling will be on @ConHome at 4pm.

    Terrific and stirling work by Lord A, but I can't deny I will be relieved it's over!
    I may be wrong about this but I think "stirling" was one of the pretend currencies that the SNP were going to keep at the time of the referendum. Sterling was the one we knew they really couldn't continue to use and might have been a more creditable description of Lord A's work.
    Argh, bloody iPhone! He ain't half done a bad job, our Michael.

    How's that?
    Great. I am just in a Friday afternoon kind of mood. :-)
    Nae botha, pal!
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited May 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Who would become PM if Ed Miliband was hit by a bus shortly after May 7th, and Labour had "won" ?

    5 minutes before he met the Queen - Harman
    5 minutes after - a member of the Cabinet selected in consultation with the NEC


    Alternatively, the bus driver. Arff!!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712

    Blue_rog said:

    Slightly O/T but I'm trying to decide my strategy for next Thursday night. I'm normally in bed by 10.00pm so need to figure out how I can last until at least 3.00am.

    I'm travelling back from Kent on the train during the afternoon so may be able to grab some shuteye then but what about early evening! Should I try and grab some kip early evening, with the risk I just sleep straight through or do the whole marathon bit. Decisions decisions.

    Stay up till 10.15, we should have the exit polls by then.

    Head off to bed and wake up around 2 am when the decent results start coming in.

    I assume all PBers have taken off next Friday off from work?
    Yes. I will be shitting bricks all night long.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Next PM heading back towards another crossover?

    Cameron 2.14
    Miliband 1.88

    Con Most seats continuing to tighten - now 1.24.

    Those prices look about right to me now. (PM)

    Tories most seats is ludicrous at 1.24 though.
    I still see EdM as a 4/6 shot.

    IMO, the only thing that's changed is that tory cash has re-entered the market - blue punters fired up by seeing dave on tv last night.

    I might be wrong though :)

    Cue ashcroft polls showing the tories ahead in Doncaster N....
    People misread Ed's "No Deals" with SNP line. There'll be a deal - Labour's Queen speech.

    I *think* I'm clovered up well enough on the markets at this point though to not really care tbh though.
    It would be funny if Labour were inept enough to offer the SNP concessions purely for the Queens Speech. I wonder if Labour are truly that dumb? It's possible.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Blue_rog said:

    Slightly O/T but I'm trying to decide my strategy for next Thursday night. I'm normally in bed by 10.00pm so need to figure out how I can last until at least 3.00am.

    I'm travelling back from Kent on the train during the afternoon so may be able to grab some shuteye then but what about early evening! Should I try and grab some kip early evening, with the risk I just sleep straight through or do the whole marathon bit. Decisions decisions.

    The rule is, as always, keep awake until you nod off @ 4/5 am unless there is a victory celebration on the South Bank.

    Then catch a quick nap.

    Get up again at about 12:00 since morning counts will begin to come in and coalition talks or worse, "who has won ?" will fill the air.

    Sleep early on Friday evening and wake up whenever. Saturday, Sunday.............
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    I'm taking this to mean a better poll for Lab

    https://twitter.com/JBeattieMirror/status/594120179283558400

    Why can't Labour just stay lying down?

    We don't want any nasty surprises like a rebounding Labour lead this late in the game. Grrr.
    Any polls with Lab just behind or ahead is good.

    Ensures the Tory to Kip waverers come back.
    Good point that!

    My prediction is Tories 300 seats and us Kippers 5, that would suit me betting wise and a continuation coalition is best for the country.
    For that to be the result Tories would need to lose only 1 more seat to LAB more than they gain from LD.

    Would be some fantastic betting opportunities on that result
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Tories back ahead in Croydon Central 44-40%
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited May 2015
    DCT is now firm SNP.

    But Murphy is getting some tactical Tories in East Ren.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD7cbiTUMAAvJxp.jpg:large
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Tories just ahead in Pudsey 41-40%
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Blue_rog said:

    Slightly O/T but I'm trying to decide my strategy for next Thursday night. I'm normally in bed by 10.00pm so need to figure out how I can last until at least 3.00am.

    I'm travelling back from Kent on the train during the afternoon so may be able to grab some shuteye then but what about early evening! Should I try and grab some kip early evening, with the risk I just sleep straight through or do the whole marathon bit. Decisions decisions.



    I assume all PBers have taken off next Friday off from work?
    It is With much regret I have to admit to booking Friday as leave. My life is tragic.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Labour still narrowly ahead in Wirral West 46-43%
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    Generally looks pretty good for the Tories, but Scotland looks a wipe out. David Mundell is toast.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,968
    Mr. Saddened, not so tragic to be interested in the future of one's country.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,233
    "Labour were leading by two points in Peterborough, where Stewart Jackson is defending a majority of 4,861"

    Must be all the immigrants.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited May 2015

    Mr. Dixie, I hope you're right on individual voter registration but the Times story mentioned on this thread make me worry the system might still be wide open to fraud.

    Councils are verifying every application - either by checking NI number or another confirmatory source.

    I think IVR should have helped quite a bit - but it may vary from Council to Council how thorough they are.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited May 2015
    Margot James ahead for Tories in Stourbridge 39-37%

    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Labour just ahead in Norwich N 39-37%
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    edited May 2015
    Peterborough a surprise. And I would be very surprised if Stewart Jackson did lose that.

    Ashcroft implies the Tories would do relatively worse than 1997 or 2001.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Norwich North, tipped by me for months as Lab gain is Lab by 2 points - toss up!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    I'm taking this to mean a better poll for Lab

    https://twitter.com/JBeattieMirror/status/594120179283558400

    I want a 4% swing to Labour.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Tories comfortably ahead in Battersea 50-38%
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Labour ahead in Peterborough though 34-32%
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    DCT is a shocker, Mundell losing 11% of his vote with the Tories holding at 17 nationally is shocking!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    An awful lot of too close to calls there....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    edited May 2015
    I don't like to brag, which is one of many many fine qualities but since I've started canvassing in Pudsey it is has gone from Lab gain to Con Hold.

    CCHQ wishes they could clone me.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    The nonpartisan May2015 have homed in on the key finding:

    May2015 Election ‏@May2015NS

    Our sums hv assumed Tories wld hold Dumfriesshire up to this point. If SNP now 11 ahead, that's in effect a Lab gain.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,721

    Peterborough a surprise. And I would be very surprised if Stewart Jackson did lose that.

    Ashcroft implies the Tories would do relatively worse than 1997 or 2001.

    UKIP vote-splitting?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Dair said:

    DCT is now firm SNP.

    But Murphy is getting some tactical Tories in East Ren.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD7cbiTUMAAvJxp.jpg:large

    Surely he can't get enough.

    If you know any E Renfrewshire voter, I'll gladly vote swap to ANY party here in NE Derbyshire to see the back of him !
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Dair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Next PM heading back towards another crossover?

    Cameron 2.14
    Miliband 1.88

    Con Most seats continuing to tighten - now 1.24.

    Those prices look about right to me now. (PM)

    Tories most seats is ludicrous at 1.24 though.
    I still see EdM as a 4/6 shot.

    IMO, the only thing that's changed is that tory cash has re-entered the market - blue punters fired up by seeing dave on tv last night.

    I might be wrong though :)

    Cue ashcroft polls showing the tories ahead in Doncaster N....
    People misread Ed's "No Deals" with SNP line. There'll be a deal - Labour's Queen speech.

    I *think* I'm clovered up well enough on the markets at this point though to not really care tbh though.
    It would be funny if Labour were inept enough to offer the SNP concessions purely for the Queens Speech. I wonder if Labour are truly that dumb? It's possible.
    It wouldn't surprise me if a "No deal" deal has already been done.

    But if I am correct, didn't Sturgeon say somewhere that the SNP will vote for the Labour QS ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Peterborough is major surprise LAB were 3.2 yesterday not even in my thoughts TBH
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    LDs ahead in N Cornwall just by 38-36% on seat poll though Tories ahead on standard voting intention
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    DCT and D&G must be expected to be SNP now. BRS there's only 9% Labour on previous Ashcroft to move but that could be another couple of points to the SNP. Depends what the Liberals are doing. If they remain solid or break SNP then the Borders are all SNP. If they break Tories, they could still have a seat in Scotland.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    E Renfrewshire too close to call, SNP lead 39-36% but 20% of Tory votes for Murphy to squeeze
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Not going to cheerlead Labour as I hate the party leadership and direction intensely but Jess is going to send Chloe packing which makes me rather happy
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    An awful lot of too close to calls there....

    That's what happens when you poll marginals :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Casino Remember Ashcroft had the Tories gaining Roxburgh and Berwickshire to make up for any loss in Dumfrieshire, so they would actually retain their 1 Scottish seat
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Peterborough is major surprise LAB were 3.2 yesterday not even in my thoughts TBH

    On the other hand Croydon Central, tipped up as labour gain, looks like staying blue. And the tories streets ahead in Battersea!

    I'd treat all of these with a big pinch of salt.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    I don't like to brag, which is one of many many fine qualities but I've started canvassing in Pudsey it is has gone from Lab gain to Con Hold.

    CCHQ wishes they could clone me.

    Pudsey LAB were 2.14 yesterday
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Peterborough is major surprise LAB were 3.2 yesterday not even in my thoughts TBH

    Yes I had thought Stewart Jackson's robust approach would go down well with Kippers - not a lot of squeeze in evidence there...
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Labour doing badly in London?

    Pass me the smelling salts...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Lord A polls trending to my ARSE

    And no named candidates .... again. A missed opportunity.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited May 2015
    Ruth Davidson MSP ‏@RuthDavidsonMSP 20m20 minutes ago
    Not much of a gambler, but bunked off the street stall for 5 mins to place a tenner on @John2Win at the bookies... pic.twitter.com/GoCdNTfUMY


    lexmassie ‏@alexmassie 13m13 minutes ago
    @RuthDavidsonMSP What odds did you get? @John2Win

    Ruth Davidson MSP ‏@RuthDavidsonMSP 13m13 minutes ago
    @alexmassie @John2Win 11/8.

  • taffys said:

    Peterborough is major surprise LAB were 3.2 yesterday not even in my thoughts TBH


    I'd treat all of these with a big pinch of salt.

    Indeed. Lovely as it would be if Peterborough's Stewart Jackson suddenly had time on his hands to start posting on here again.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    I'm surprised about Croydon Central and Peterborough, but the rest look about right.

    I think Jim Murphy could scrape through in the end in a named poll.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    I don't like to brag, which is one of many many fine qualities but since I've started canvassing in Pudsey it is has gone from Lab gain to Con Hold.

    CCHQ wishes they could clone me.

    It was the shoes what did it?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    At what point is "Vote Nige, and get two for the price of one - Miliband and Sturgeon" going to sink in?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Are Scottish Conservatives totally mad?

    Voting Lab substantially increasing the chances of Miliband becoming PM.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Looks like Murphy may squeeze home.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    TGOHF said:

    Ruth Davidson MSP ‏@RuthDavidsonMSP 20m20 minutes ago
    Not much of a gambler, but bunked off the street stall for 5 mins to place a tenner on @John2Win at the bookies... pic.twitter.com/GoCdNTfUMY


    lexmassie ‏@alexmassie 13m13 minutes ago
    @RuthDavidsonMSP What odds did you get? @John2Win

    Ruth Davidson MSP ‏@RuthDavidsonMSP 13m13 minutes ago
    @alexmassie @John2Win 11/8.

    Who is John ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    The nonpartisan May2015

    What makes you think they are nonpartisan?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited May 2015
    Ashcroft - average swing 3.3% Con to Lab in the 7 Con/Lab English marginals.

    I think Con would have hoped for a bit better.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Scott_P said:

    The nonpartisan May2015

    What makes you think they are nonpartisan?
    They claim to be. I may have had my tongue in my cheek when using the epithet.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Dair said:

    DCT is now firm SNP.

    But Murphy is getting some tactical Tories in East Ren.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD7cbiTUMAAvJxp.jpg:large

    ***SMUG MODE ACTIVATED***

    I would just like to point out that DCT is exactly how I said it would go, once people realised Mundell was actually in trouble the anti-Tory vote would flock in to the SNP candidate

    £10 at 2/1 well invested.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited May 2015
    Dave will not remain prime minister based on these ashcrofts.

    EICIPM @ 1.86 on Betfair.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    RodCrosby said:

    Labour doing badly in London?

    Pass me the smelling salts...

    London consistently shows the lowest 'certainty to vote'.....with Scotland (by a wide margin) at the other end of the spectrum.

    Funny, when you consider 48% of Labour members are Londoners.....
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Mr. Saddened, not so tragic to be interested in the future of one's country.

    There's a good chance I will be partaking of alcoholic refreshments, the amount will dependant upon the outcome of the exit poll.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Mike Smithson‏@MSmithsonPB·4 mins4 minutes ago
    @LordAshcroft marginals polling:
    Wirral W is LAB target number 40 from CON,
    Poll has LAB gain

    Mike Smithson‏@MSmithsonPB·6 mins6 minutes ago
    @LordAshcroft marginals polling:
    Norwich N is LAB target from CON number 52 & polling makes it LAB gain

    Or

    Pudsey is Lab target from Con number 22 and polling has CON hold
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited May 2015
    surbiton said:

    TGOHF said:

    Ruth Davidson MSP ‏@RuthDavidsonMSP 20m20 minutes ago
    Not much of a gambler, but bunked off the street stall for 5 mins to place a tenner on @John2Win at the bookies... pic.twitter.com/GoCdNTfUMY


    lexmassie ‏@alexmassie 13m13 minutes ago
    @RuthDavidsonMSP What odds did you get? @John2Win

    Ruth Davidson MSP ‏@RuthDavidsonMSP 13m13 minutes ago
    @alexmassie @John2Win 11/8.

    Who is John ?
    John Lamont, Tory candidate Berwichshire Roxburghshire & Selkirk

    I'm on at better odds than what Ruth got.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    MikeL said:

    Are Scottish Conservatives totally mad?

    Voting Lab substantially increasing the chances of Miliband becoming PM.

    No.

    What evidence is there that they are?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited May 2015
    I have difficulty believing Croydon Central.

    Murphy was always going to win. Even Fitalass , Carlotta are part of his fan club.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,721
    38-2 Ballance gone.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited May 2015
    surbiton said:

    I have difficulty believing Croydon Central.

    The only counter point is that it is a seat with a relatively low 2010 LD figure.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    I don't like to brag, which is one of many many fine qualities but since I've started canvassing in Pudsey it is has gone from Lab gain to Con Hold.

    CCHQ wishes they could clone me.

    It was the shoes what did it?
    I suspect the man-bag......in the owner-occupier areas, at least....
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    DCT is now firm SNP.

    But Murphy is getting some tactical Tories in East Ren.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD7cbiTUMAAvJxp.jpg:large

    Surely he can't get enough.

    If you know any E Renfrewshire voter, I'll gladly vote swap to ANY party here in NE Derbyshire to see the back of him !
    A couple of things about East Renfrewshire.

    Most Postal Votes have been cast. That means the ability of Murphy to squeeze Tories (assuming older and much more likely to Postal) is reducing.

    GOTV has to favour the SNP pretty markedly although, it is likely that East Ren is not a very well canvassed seat for the SNP (prior to this year) so it might not give them much if anything.

    There's nothing else to squeeze. A few hundred Liberals and Others left.

    Basically Murphy needs about 25% of the remaining Tory vote to switch. I wonder if he is already at the limit of switching. Tory vote is already 33% lower than it was in 2010 and there's no reason for the Tory vote to be reduced other than tactical Murphy votes. That is a hell of a lot and he's still behind.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    MikeL said:

    Are Scottish Conservatives totally mad?

    Voting Lab substantially increasing the chances of Miliband becoming PM.

    No.

    What evidence is there that they are?
    Con share down 10 points vs flat in national Scottish polls.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Labour seem to be doing well in East Anglia. I wondered about that in January:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.hu/2015/01/reality-check-testing-betting-markets.html
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago
    Re-final Ashcroft poll. Any Labour candidate not ahead by 7%-8% at this stage should be very, very worried.

    Dan finger on the Pulse Hodges
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I think Con would have hoped for a bit better.

    Yep, disappointing for Con, is my take.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Dair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    DCT is now firm SNP.

    But Murphy is getting some tactical Tories in East Ren.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD7cbiTUMAAvJxp.jpg:large

    Surely he can't get enough.

    If you know any E Renfrewshire voter, I'll gladly vote swap to ANY party here in NE Derbyshire to see the back of him !
    A couple of things about East Renfrewshire.

    Most Postal Votes have been cast. That means the ability of Murphy to squeeze Tories (assuming older and much more likely to Postal) is reducing.

    GOTV has to favour the SNP pretty markedly although, it is likely that East Ren is not a very well canvassed seat for the SNP (prior to this year) so it might not give them much if anything.

    There's nothing else to squeeze. A few hundred Liberals and Others left.

    Basically Murphy needs about 25% of the remaining Tory vote to switch. I wonder if he is already at the limit of switching. Tory vote is already 33% lower than it was in 2010 and there's no reason for the Tory vote to be reduced other than tactical Murphy votes. That is a hell of a lot and he's still behind.
    I don't want to be denied my "Jim Murphy moment !"
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    surbiton said:

    Dair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Next PM heading back towards another crossover?

    Cameron 2.14
    Miliband 1.88

    Con Most seats continuing to tighten - now 1.24.

    Those prices look about right to me now. (PM)

    Tories most seats is ludicrous at 1.24 though.
    I still see EdM as a 4/6 shot.

    IMO, the only thing that's changed is that tory cash has re-entered the market - blue punters fired up by seeing dave on tv last night.

    I might be wrong though :)

    Cue ashcroft polls showing the tories ahead in Doncaster N....
    People misread Ed's "No Deals" with SNP line. There'll be a deal - Labour's Queen speech.

    I *think* I'm clovered up well enough on the markets at this point though to not really care tbh though.
    It would be funny if Labour were inept enough to offer the SNP concessions purely for the Queens Speech. I wonder if Labour are truly that dumb? It's possible.
    It wouldn't surprise me if a "No deal" deal has already been done.

    But if I am correct, didn't Sturgeon say somewhere that the SNP will vote for the Labour QS ?
    No, all she's said is the SNP will vote against a Tory QS.

    Basically there is no way the SNP will not vote for a Labour QS but Labour don't know this yet. If they offer initial concessions when they don't need to we know that a torrid time for Labour will be utterly, remorselessly miserable as they don't have the game to get anything from the SNP.

    The SNP will always put Labour into power because it's once Labour are in office the SNP can use FTPA to really press their thumbs into Labour's windpipe.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeL said:

    Are Scottish Conservatives totally mad?

    Voting Lab substantially increasing the chances of Miliband becoming PM.

    Scottish "Unionist" Tories hold the SNP in greater contempt than Labour. particularly, "Red Tories" - as some describe them.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @politicsmarkets: Ladbrokes cut Conservatives from 7/1 to 11/2 to form a majority government, Cameron cut to 6/5 (from 11/8) to be next PM.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    Casino Remember Ashcroft had the Tories gaining Roxburgh and Berwickshire to make up for any loss in Dumfrieshire, so they would actually retain their 1 Scottish seat

    I suspect DCT effect will hit BRS, no-one expected SNP to be so close so it will attract further support.

    However I am on the Cons at 6/4 so, whatever.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited May 2015
    surbiton said:

    I have difficulty believing Croydon Central.

    Murphy was always going to win. Even Fitalass , Carlotta are part of his fan club.

    I find the Croydon poll astonishing...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Scott_P said:

    @politicsmarkets: Ladbrokes cut Conservatives from 7/1 to 11/2 to form a majority government, Cameron cut to 6/5 (from 11/8) to be next PM.

    Con majority is an awful price.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    IOS said:

    All about the ground game. And for those of you that don't know - the Tories have nothing.

    Hows that ground game looking in Scotland? ++ innocent face++
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Dair said:

    surbiton said:

    Dair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Next PM heading back towards another crossover?

    Cameron 2.14
    Miliband 1.88

    Con Most seats continuing to tighten - now 1.24.

    Those prices look about right to me now. (PM)

    Tories most seats is ludicrous at 1.24 though.
    I still see EdM as a 4/6 shot.

    IMO, the only thing that's changed is that tory cash has re-entered the market - blue punters fired up by seeing dave on tv last night.

    I might be wrong though :)

    Cue ashcroft polls showing the tories ahead in Doncaster N....
    People misread Ed's "No Deals" with SNP line. There'll be a deal - Labour's Queen speech.

    I *think* I'm clovered up well enough on the markets at this point though to not really care tbh though.
    It would be funny if Labour were inept enough to offer the SNP concessions purely for the Queens Speech. I wonder if Labour are truly that dumb? It's possible.
    It wouldn't surprise me if a "No deal" deal has already been done.

    But if I am correct, didn't Sturgeon say somewhere that the SNP will vote for the Labour QS ?
    No, all she's said is the SNP will vote against a Tory QS.

    Basically there is no way the SNP will not vote for a Labour QS but Labour don't know this yet. If they offer initial concessions when they don't need to we know that a torrid time for Labour will be utterly, remorselessly miserable as they don't have the game to get anything from the SNP.

    The SNP will always put Labour into power because it's once Labour are in office the SNP can use FTPA to really press their thumbs into Labour's windpipe.
    There is another reason. In the first election after the "defection" of large numbers of traditional Labour voters to the SNP, the SNP cannot be seen not to be installing a Labour government. In fact, that has been their "successful" campaign. Vote SNP, get Labour. At least, in places like Glasgow.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    antifrank said:

    Labour seem to be doing well in East Anglia. I wondered about that in January:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.hu/2015/01/reality-check-testing-betting-markets.html

    There are only a handful of seats a good Labour performance would win them. Ipswich, Waveney, Cambridge...
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    About 40 Labour gains from Con?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    The one Labour bod who may well survive based off Murphy is Edi South.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    murali_s said:

    surbiton said:

    I have difficulty believing Croydon Central.

    Murphy was always going to win. Even Fitalass , Carlotta are part of his fan club.

    I find the Croydon poll astonishing...
    Depends on your noises. None of us have the full picture but it is very close and I think Tory win.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,721
    38-3. I’m stopping watching for while. Although it could be preparing me, as a LD sympathizse, for Friday morning!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    New thread.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782
    #BellEnd Sigh.
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