Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Undefined discussion subject.

SystemSystem Posts: 12,291
edited April 2015 in General
«134

Comments

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    edited April 2015
    1 4% lead is happenstance, 2 in one day smells like napalm in the morning.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    (CON) Party time!
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    2
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Squirrel down...I repeat squirrel down....
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    We may be starting to see the first chinks of light between the parties. Tories edging ahead.

    YG will show nothing of course. It never does.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Are the wheels coming of the Miliband-wagon?
  • Fascinating.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    What time is you Gov?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    So SNP / PC are 9% ?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It's a terrible indictment of the cuts that the site doesn't have free tranquillisers for all posters each time a poll comes out.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    Where is Survation?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Just been out for dinner in Lagos in Portugal .. much merriment and now.much fun with these poll results... where is Compouter. Id est tim???
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Is Survation dead?
  • Have said before the SNP would be the game changer but was received rather sceptically. These poll moves have to be connected to the Scottish issue
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    That guardian front page will go down in history....
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    edited April 2015
    Caution - remember Panelbase - effectively cancels out the Survation.

    One ComRes with Con +4 is not decisive.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    Well well well. Things at least moving in the direction of becoming interesting. The coming days will be very crucial in setting or maintaining a narrative.

    But for old times' sake, here's an over the top comment.

    Silly Tories, you've peaked too soon - you were supposed to time the surge in the days immediately prior to election day. Now Labour have a chance to react.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842
    Looks about right. This is how it will probably turn out. Again UKIP much lower on a phone poll.
  • Hmmm. Maybe the Miliband in Sturgeon's pocket message is cutting through.

    Or of course we could just be seeing some outliers.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    Based on our poll, these are the seat projections by Prof Colin Rallings CON 287 LAB 274 SNP 54 LD 10 PC 3 UKIP 2

    Tonights COMRES EICIPM???

    Surely that cannot be right on those %
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,150
    Wait: so everyone else shows UKIP, LDs up. And this shows them down.

    Consistent picture of a 4% Tory lead, mind.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015
    MikeL said:

    Where is Survation?

    I want to go back to working. They need to publish whatever it is quick.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited April 2015
    Basil looks for Yougov to give him a night without carrying the goalposts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    LDs defiantly refuse to consistently maintain double digits. Oh, they'll do fine, I'm sure.
  • Good timing....

    Douglas Carswell ‏@DouglasCarswell·2h2 hours ago
    That's six polls in almost as many days showing UKIP on the up. How's the bubble's peak UKIP theory coming along?
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited April 2015
    In the last 30 polls only 5 times has a main party led by 4% or more. All 5 have been Tories.

    Thats not reading runes. Thats spotting poll trends?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015

    Looks about right. This is how it will probably turn out. Again UKIP much lower on a phone poll.

    Good timing....

    Douglas Carswell ‏@DouglasCarswell·2h2 hours ago
    That's six polls in almost as many days showing UKIP on the up. How's the bubble's peak UKIP theory coming along?

    Shy Kippers.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    We may be starting to see the first chinks of light between the parties. Tories edging ahead.

    YG will show nothing of course. It never does.

    Panelbase and ComRes showing a 7% divergence in lead. Yougov will show a repeat.

    Best to take it all with a stiff upper lip.

    It was "Jonah" Brown wot dun it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624

    That guardian front page will go down in history....

    Are they still whining about the Tories being nasty to them?
  • franklynfranklyn Posts: 323
    Driving around Bedford, I have seen one UKIP and one Green poster, three for the Lib Dems (who normally win the poster war in town) and at least 60 each for Con and Labour. No idea what that means. By contrast didn't see a single poster in East London today
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Will CON go 4% ahead on YouGuv?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    Wait: so everyone else shows UKIP, LDs up. And this shows them down.

    Consistent picture of a 4% Tory lead, mind.

    Well if comres are right, yesterday's Ukip target seats look bad for them

    If everyone else is right, it's looking good
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I think Survation have fainted at the sight of their poll.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,496
    It's ICM and ComRes Vs everybody else!!!!!!!
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Has Tory Newton Dunn declared Game Changer yet?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    edited April 2015

    Hmmm. Maybe the Miliband in Sturgeon's pocket message is cutting through.

    Or of course we could just be seeing some outliers.

    Would be typical of this election for the outliers to just happen to occur across the pollsters around the same time.

    Still much for the pessimistic Tory or Tory predictor. 4% isn't enough, not necessarily. But if it becomes the new normal, they will have something to encourage them besides blind hope at least.

    Labour? No reason to panic yet, but they'll readying something big just in case its needed, I'm sure.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited April 2015
    Ave_it said:

    Will CON go 4% ahead on YouGuv?

    No because the same stale panel churn out the same result +- MOE. Best forget YG. I;m convinced onliners are a waste of everyones time.
  • Ave_it said:

    Will CON go 4% ahead on YouGuv?

    I wouldn't be putting my mortgage on it!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Com res is the 10th poll of the week, from the 7th different pollster

    SPUD after 10

    Con -8
    Lab -9
    Ukip +6
    LD +2
    Green -2
  • franklynfranklyn Posts: 323
    How reliable are phone polls? In the last few years, as more of our landline phone calls to home are from scams many people are cynical about any form of unsolicited phone call. Do they tell us how many calls they have to make to get 1000 responses?
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    kle4 said:

    LDs defiantly refuse to consistently maintain double digits. Oh, they'll do fine, I'm sure.

    The 2nd tweet at the top of the page referring to 25% of Con/Lab voters would consider to vote for the Libdems is what they must hope will save them in the seats that they are defending. Otherwise sub 20 MPs beckons
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739

    Good timing....

    Douglas Carswell ‏@DouglasCarswell·2h2 hours ago
    That's six polls in almost as many days showing UKIP on the up. How's the bubble's peak UKIP theory coming along?

    Clearly a man of taste as he apparently reads PB.com. :-)
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,693
    surbiton said:

    So SNP / PC are 9% ?

    Summat is up with this OTHER figure. SNP+PC surely cannot be above 5 per cent. The BNP won 2 per cent, but anecdotally those people are now subsumed in Ukip or not voting. So the dribs and drabs might be on 2 per cent at a stretch.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    edited April 2015

    Based on our poll, these are the seat projections by Prof Colin Rallings CON 287 LAB 274 SNP 54 LD 10 PC 3 UKIP 2

    Tonights COMRES EICIPM???

    Surely that cannot be right on those %

    Labour would pick up seats in England on these numbers, so I don't see why not. SNP will back Ed regardless of the circumstances.

    LD wipe out in Scotland takes away coalition MPs and add left bloc ones. Tory gains from LDs in England don't. 10 Lds seems very much on the low side though.

    Ed governs on this kind of result. The arithmetic is solid
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Ave_it said:

    Will CON go 4% ahead on YouGuv?

    Internet pollster with particularly peculiar Midlands/Wales results. So, no.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    In the last 30 polls only 5 times has a main party led by 4% or more. All 5 have been Tories.

    Thats not reading runes. Thats spotting poll trends?

    And how many of those are phone polls?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited April 2015
    franklyn said:

    Driving around Bedford, I have seen one UKIP and one Green poster, three for the Lib Dems (who normally win the poster war in town) and at least 60 each for Con and Labour. No idea what that means. By contrast didn't see a single poster in East London today

    It is hard to believe that there is a GE only 2 weeks away. I was in a marginal today and only saw a few signs and that was about it. No other activity.

    I was in another key marginal over the weekend and I did actually see the candidates on the street, but it was a pretty piss poor show. Labour had like 3 people with a crappy table and a few leaflets and had gone within an hour, Lib Dem guy looked like he was going to cry with only one helper, the Green had 4-5 people jumping in the way of shoppers.
  • MikeL said:

    Caution - remember Panelbase - effectively cancels out the Survation.

    One ComRes with Con +4 is not decisive.

    Panelbase might be nearer the mark, but they are unproven and they had Labour leading by 7% a couple of weeks ago.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Still waiting for the next Survation
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Number crunching in Electoral Calculus. Above plus Scotland SNP 47, Lab 26, Con 16 etc. gives

    Con 304, Lab 266, LD 9, UKIP 0, Green 1, SNP 49, PC 3, NI 18

    Con-LD 313. Lab-SNP-PC Green 319.

    It really doesn't change much.
  • Based on our poll, these are the seat projections by Prof Colin Rallings

    Ed governs on this kind of result. The arithmetic is solid

    For how long?
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Scary time for Labour supporters but I think will revert a tie before polling day.

    Ed needs to get on the airwaves and say strongly he won`t cut a deal with SNP.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015

    Still waiting for the next Survation

    Someone might be refusing to publish.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    franklyn said:

    How reliable are phone polls?

    Maybe not very but hell of a lot more than onliners who recycle the same old stale pool of unrepresentative self selectors.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    surbiton said:

    Number crunching in Electoral Calculus. Above plus Scotland SNP 47, Lab 26, Con 16 etc. gives

    Con 304, Lab 266, LD 9, UKIP 0, Green 1, SNP 49, PC 3, NI 18

    Con-LD 313. Lab-SNP-PC Green 319.

    It really doesn't change much.

    Such is life. And FPTP.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    Don't Survation know literally dozens of people around the web are waiting for this? Come on!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,123
    edited April 2015
    Just got back from a trip to Edinburgh today, saw Ruth Davidson being interviewed outside the Art Gallery with a group of eager young Tories handing out leaflets and what looked like an active SNP office in West Edinburgh near to the LD campaign HQ. No sign of Labour in Scotland, but I did see some Labour posters from the train window in Carlisle and Crewe, make of that what you will.

    Polling wise still a mixed picture, but if the Tories are on 36% with Comres then the squeeze in the UKIP vote with that poll down to 10% must be a factor, how big the kipper vote is will probably determine who gets most seats
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842

    Based on our poll, these are the seat projections by Prof Colin Rallings CON 287 LAB 274 SNP 54 LD 10 PC 3 UKIP 2

    Tonights COMRES EICIPM???

    Surely that cannot be right on those %

    Labour far, far too high. There's no way they'll make 50 gains in E&W on 32% of the vote.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    surbiton said:

    Number crunching in Electoral Calculus. Above plus Scotland SNP 47, Lab 26, Con 16 etc. gives

    Con 304, Lab 266, LD 9, UKIP 0, Green 1, SNP 49, PC 3, NI 18

    Con-LD 313. Lab-SNP-PC Green 319.

    It really doesn't change much.

    Switch a dozen from Lab to LD and it is a shameless copy of Jacks ARSE.
  • NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    If these polls are a result of the millipede dancing on Sturgeons strings, then the thing to remember is the full effect wont have worked its way through to the electorate. Yet....bigger bounce to come !
  • SMukesh said:

    Scary time for Labour supporters but I think will revert a tie before polling day.

    Ed needs to get on the airwaves and say strongly he won`t cut a deal with SNP.

    He can't be PM (crap or otherwise) without some sort of arrangement
  • kle4 said:

    Don't Survation know literally dozens of people around the web are waiting for this? Come on!

    https://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/591349612251914241
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Still waiting for the next Survation

    Are there two tonight?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    rcs1000 said:

    Wait: so everyone else shows UKIP, LDs up. And this shows them down.

    This is normal range for ComRes/UKIP.

    today 10%
    7 April 12%
    29 March 12%
    22 March 10%
    23 Feb 13%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2015_United_Kingdom_general_election#2015
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    franklyn said:

    How reliable are phone polls? In the last few years, as more of our landline phone calls to home are from scams many people are cynical about any form of unsolicited phone call. Do they tell us how many calls they have to make to get 1000 responses?

    Key question on which much of the polling industry is biting its nails. Yes how reliable are phone polls in a world of caller ID etc, but how self selecting and over engaged ( compared to the overall electorate) is the Internet? Careers are waiting on this I suspect.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    EPG said:

    surbiton said:

    So SNP / PC are 9% ?

    Summat is up with this OTHER figure. SNP+PC surely cannot be above 5 per cent. The BNP won 2 per cent, but anecdotally those people are now subsumed in Ukip or not voting. So the dribs and drabs might be on 2 per cent at a stretch.
    SNP have been 5% on their own sometimes. Add a bit of rounding and it will all reconcile just fine.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Was chatting to somone in town yday saying just no clue whats gonna happen. Then I told them about 1992 which they didn't know. Ive got a hunch this is gonna be 1992 all over again. Its got that feel to it.
  • Belgium
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    kle4 said:

    Don't Survation know literally dozens of people around the web are waiting for this? Come on!

    https://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/591349612251914241
    This is the first polling company in history that keeps people waiting on purpose.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015
    It will be a South Thanet poll. Mark my words.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842
    Many sitting Labour MPs in E&W are going to have larger majorities in two weeks. But that won't help Ed get to Number 10.
  • MP_SE said:

    It will be a South Thanet poll. Mark my words.

    I said that on the last thread
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    rcs1000 said:

    Wait: so everyone else shows UKIP, LDs up. And this shows them down.

    This is normal range for ComRes/UKIP.

    today 10%
    7 April 12%
    29 March 12%
    22 March 10%
    23 Feb 13%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2015_United_Kingdom_general_election#2015
    That poll at the bottom of the Wikipedia link has a big sample size! :lol:
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,150
    @Richard_Tyndall,

    Re Euro bank notes- Greece still has the plates for the old €20 note, but the new one is coming later this year, so I they'd struggle to make too much mischief with it.

    That being said - and a question for all our pb lawyers and experts - if Country A started printing the banknotes of Country B, would that be considered an act of war?

    (As an aside: I suspect that Greece will not (a) start printing Euro notes, and (b) not issue passports to all and sundry. The country is so dependent on tourism revenues from the EU, that even outside the Eurozone it needs to be "friends" with Europe. 18% of Greek GDP comes from tourism. That's a third of its private sector GDP. Without tourism Greece would be in the stone ages, and there aren't that many alternative sources of tourists outside the EU. Russian tourists can only pick up a small amount of the slack.)
  • Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Don't Survation know literally dozens of people around the web are waiting for this? Come on!

    https://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/591349612251914241
    This is the first polling company in history that keeps people waiting on purpose.
    I think they are beholden to their client, and remember some numpty broke a Survation embargo earlier on today.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    MP_SE said:

    It will be a South Thanet poll. Mark my words.

    I said that on the last thread
    I rushed home at 9.30 so most probably missed that .
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    SMukesh said:

    Scary time for Labour supporters but I think will revert a tie before polling day.

    Ed needs to get on the airwaves and say strongly he won`t cut a deal with SNP.

    Problem is no-one would believe him.
  • jahodgesjahodges Posts: 12

    Has Tory Newton Dunn declared Game Changer yet?

    usual pattern is he tweets something optimistic for tories 9 onwards then poll released at 10 if there's something such to tweet. If not poll comes out at 10.30. Maybe today it'll be different? ?...

  • eekeek Posts: 28,926

    Ave_it said:

    Will CON go 4% ahead on YouGuv?

    No because the same stale panel churn out the same result +- MOE. Best forget YG. I;m convinced onliners are a waste of everyones time.
    Isn't Yougov a 2 day poll, today's poll is 50% yesterday's pollsters, 50% today's. Tomorrow is 50% today's, 50% tomorrow's. This removes rapid fluctuations but delays potential changes...
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,015
    With all these lists of MPs I'd have thought it would be good to categorise the Parties.

    How about Tory, anti-Tory and non-aligned?

    Currently are we looking at about 285 Tory, 317 anti-Tory, 40 non-aligned. That's a big gap still for Cameron to close. I'm not convinced you can just add DUP and Lib Dem and if it makes 324 he'll be fine. The Lb Dems might be forced into an anti-Tory alliance in that scenario.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2015

    Many sitting Labour MPs in E&W are going to have larger majorities in two weeks. But that won't help Ed get to Number 10.

    I think there's going to be a huge divergence in Labour's performance between metropolitan areas and everywhere else (in England & Wales).
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    isam said:

    Com res is the 10th poll of the week, from the 7th different pollster

    SPUD after 10

    Con -8
    Lab -9
    Ukip +6
    LD +2
    Green -2

    Thanks for quoting the number of pollsters! Appreciate that.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Survation says Nigel home and dry!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Dear God I am so sorry

    I updated SPUD incorrectly

    After the COMRES poll, the 10th of the week from the 7th different pollster

    Con -8
    Lab -9
    UKIP +7
    LD NC
    Green -2

    If the conservatives can improve on yesterday's YOUGOV they will have achieved their best Daily SPUD ever by standing still
  • SMukesh said:

    Scary time for Labour supporters but I think will revert a tie before polling day.

    Ed needs to get on the airwaves and say strongly he won`t cut a deal with SNP.

    But nobody is going to believe him
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842
    AndyJS said:

    Many sitting Labour MPs in E&W are going to have larger majorities in two weeks. But that won't help Ed get to Number 10.

    I think there's going to be a huge divergence in Labour's performance between metropolitan areas and everywhere else (in England & Wales).

    It'll be the Midlands that really does for Labour.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    edited April 2015

    kle4 said:

    Don't Survation know literally dozens of people around the web are waiting for this? Come on!

    htps://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/591349612251914241
    Heh.

    "It is largely as I predicted, except the Silly Party won".

    I can see a fair few pundits saying basically the same thing in a few weeks.

    Rest assured all, though I might alter my prediction if we see a 4 or more point gap confirmed by more polling in the coming weeks, I for one will not pretend I had predicted that new prediction all along.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    eek said:

    Ave_it said:

    Will CON go 4% ahead on YouGuv?

    No because the same stale panel churn out the same result +- MOE. Best forget YG. I;m convinced onliners are a waste of everyones time.
    Isn't Yougov a 2 day poll, today's poll is 50% yesterday's pollsters, 50% today's. Tomorrow is 50% today's, 50% tomorrow's. This removes rapid fluctuations but delays potential changes...
    Thought they abandoned that rolling malarkey last year?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Farage 9% in front
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Why are there two Survations on the same day? Is there any precedence for that?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,150
    isam said:

    Dear God I am so sorry

    I updated SPUD incorrectly

    After the COMRES poll, the 10th of the week from the 7th different pollster

    Con -8
    Lab -9
    UKIP +7
    LD NC
    Green -2

    If the conservatives can improve on yesterday's YOUGOV they will have achieved their best Daily SPUD ever by standing still

    That adds up to a very negative number.
    SNP +12???
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Com res is the 10th poll of the week, from the 7th different pollster

    SPUD after 10

    Con -8
    Lab -9
    Ukip +6
    LD +2
    Green -2

    Thanks for quoting the number of pollsters! Appreciate that.
    No prob but the figures were wrong for Ukip and LD

    I've reported and corrected

    Any improvements you think of let me know, am open minded
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes · 58 secs58 seconds ago  London, England
    Hearing Survation poll in Thanet South giving 9% lead for @Nigel_Farage . Checking.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,150
    isam - my Con +6.5% not looking good in S Thanet
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,123
    FB The LDs have made clear they will back the largest party, if they back a Labour government which came second on seats and votes they will lose the few remaining seats they will hold in England and Wales to go along with the loss of almost all their Scottish seats in May
This discussion has been closed.