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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,011
    edited April 2015
    @Surbiton Take the Yougov map as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Oh, I disagree re Sopranos. I was bored after S3. BB is patchy, but better on watching again. Many shows are. I rarely dump one before trying twice.
    Yorkcity said:

    Dair said:

    Plato said:

    OT for anyone who's missed Breaking Bad. It's on from the start on Spike TV via Freesat. Don't know about Freeview

    I take it Spike TV is new? It just appeared on my Freeview without me even doing an update yesterday, overwriting BBC News HD and requiring a full update. Very annoying.
    Yes it is on freeview.

    I have watched the complete breaking bad, still believe the sopranos was superior.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    The polls are consistently pointing to a sizeable move in the opposite direction, so unless you think they're a complete pile of pants it would be a seriously unexpected turn of events.

    The current polls indicate that the Tories will lose some to Labour but gain some back from the Lib Dems. Plus the theory is that the seats will be more efficient than last time. This is why many seat projectors like ARSE and others put the Tories at 290+ .... within a few % swing of a majority.
    Dair said:

    You have no control over the value of Sterling.

    It should also be pointed out, that at less than 1.5% of Reserves, the idea that Sterling is a "major currency" is some decades out of date. Like most of your ideas about the UK economy.

    You show your ignorance here, we absolutely have control over the value of sterling. You see far smaller currencies than ours changing values all the time.

    Plus 1.5% is still a major currency.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,011
    Wonder if Ashcroft is going to do a O&S poll...

    He must be sorely tempted.
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    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @Dair Spike is new and lots of amusing reality stuff Inc World's Strongest Man. It does contest shows like Ink Masters. The ultimate tattoo show. I love the these. Very funny and OMG. B-)
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    On Topic

    ZIRP (zero interest rate policy) is now like methadone to our junkie clapped out economy addicted to ever greater amounts of credit, to achieve an ever diminishing growth return.

    Base rates will be below 1% for the entire period of the next parliament, because Carney cannot afford a (needed) real estate asset price correction which would create recession for an economy that largely relies on this sector (directly and indirectly).

    That will suit whoever gets in just fine, because they will not want to be the party in power that crashes the housing market. Also and for the same reasons, all of the claims being made on increasing the housing stock are pure BS.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,434
    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    The funny thing with ICM is that everyone cried out "rogue" but then it was within MoE from the previous ICM. There were people calling out "rogue" for the previous ICM and the ICM before that.

    Three in a row ICM's showing a Tory lead, I think all 3 being rogue seems unlikely. ICM could be wrong, but I don't think they're all rogues.
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    JGCJGC Posts: 64
    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    I don't think Labour will end up in single figures in Scotland. Some Edinburgh and surrounding seats are inching back to Labour from the SNP.

    Is Dagenham in play now ?

    I wouldn't go off that Yougov map too much tbh, it has Ross, Skye as TCTC

    https://yougov.co.uk/#/constituency/628/nowcast/

    It's not.

    The SNP are at almost 50% of the vote there.
    There is a bit of a disconnect between the feeling on the ground and the various polling forecasts. I know from the seats I have personal knowledge of that I think both Yougov and Baxter have not got them right (some too good for Labour some not good enough). Who will be right we will have to wait until May 7th. I think Dagenham is very unlikely to be really "to close to call" even taking into account the UKIP factor, the biggest influence in all the London seats (& Thurrock too) is demographic change, that change currently favours Labour. In many areas around 20% of the register changes each year. Logic says yougov are right about the Edinburgh area BUT I am not sure that sort of logic is really correct in current circumstances.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,434

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    The funny thing with ICM is that everyone cried out "rogue" but then it was within MoE from the previous ICM. There were people calling out "rogue" for the previous ICM and the ICM before that.

    Three in a row ICM's showing a Tory lead, I think all 3 being rogue seems unlikely. ICM could be wrong, but I don't think they're all rogues.
    Agreed. It is really a question of whether their methodology (which has worked so well in the past) can deal with the complexities of a multiparty system and increased tactical voting as a result.

    OGH said there is another ICM on Monday. It will be interesting to see if there is much change.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,011
    edited April 2015
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    No SLAB incumbency in SW is a real problem for Labour and why I'm confident about my bet there.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Wonder if Ashcroft is going to do a O&S poll...

    He must be sorely tempted.

    I'm not sure an O&S poll would give Ashcroft his desired result.

    Don't get me wrong - I think the good lord has done a great service to the nation during this election - but would it really suit his agenda to commission a poll showing the the SNP struggling to hit 25% in the LD's safest seat?

    Why waste £10k?
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited April 2015

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    It still is by many of us, but seemingly no longer by OGH it would seem ..... I wonder why not?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,434
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    No SLAB incumbency in SW is a real problem for Labour and why I'm confident about my bet there.
    I was speaking to one of the candidates yesterday and he was forecasting a Labour hold. Not sure how much canvassing information that is based on though.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,930
    edited April 2015

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    It still is by many of us, but no longer by OGH it would seem ..... I wonder why not?
    OGH seem's to have ditched ICM for The Good Lord... :(

    Though somebody said ICM do the fieldwork for Lord Ashcroft so it may all be the same company in the end?

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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    edited April 2015

    DavidL said:

    David, by far the biggest and most serious fly in the ointment remains our very serious trade deficit which is steadily impoverishing the country. It is also indicative of a series of underlying problems. It shows that rather than suffering the supposed horrors of austerity we in fact have excess demand in our economy that is sucking in imports we cannot afford.

    snip

    None of our politicians are talking about this because it is unremitting bad news. It means cutting the deficit and hence excess demand is more urgent than they want to admit. It means that all this supposed hardship has not brought our standard of living in line with our earnings. And it means sooner rather than later there will be a price to pay for all this government largesse that we enjoy so much.

    I think politicians should be willing to tackle it more - I got an awful lot of good feedback when I wrote this:
    http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/personal-manifesto-part-i-is-britain-viable/
    That said, it's impossible to argue on the doorstep or in media-friendly soundbites.
    Nick. Well done in writing that. However, since at least WW2 our Governments have chosen to spend more and more of the resources that the Govt has (or borrows) onto:-
    Out of work Welfare, Subsidising low wages, the NHS and other Public Services.

    Fundamentally we need to much spend less on current public sector operations and more on genuine infrastructure.

    Who would actually change these allocations with the national religion of the NHS? Not an Ed Miliband led Government as Ed scarcely understands the need for dividends for share owners! They are all nasty capitalists. Tony Blair's government had an opportunity, but blew the chance and blew the surplus cash. Maybe we just have to go down rapidly into the socialist chaos of Miliband for the country to be taken to the IMF brink again and the Conservatives to choose a Leader capable of tackling the problems you correctly identify.
    I very much agree and was very interested in Nick Palmer's diagnosis of the Uk's economic problems and on what he is going to focus which he says is,

    "So part of my personal manifesto is going to be a medium-term perspective that is focused on making Britain viable but fair. That means, specifically, that I don’t favour significant tax cuts for individuals unless they’re funded from other sources. I’m sorry, but we need to be honest with each other. At the moment, we can’t afford them, and I’d recommend looking with suspicion at anyone who says we can."


    Nick's problem is that he is almost a lone voice shouting in the Labour wilderness, as practically none of his party are taking a longer term view and probably would not even know what that means - which is years of tightening belts before we get there.
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    Greenwich_FloaterGreenwich_Floater Posts: 389
    edited April 2015

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    Not hard to imagine this scenario playing out: -

    1) The true polling is somewhere between ICM and the rest, currently giving CONS 2-3% lead
    2) Blue leaning UKIPs come home over the next 2 weeks spooked by LAB/SNP scenario.
    3) A 1% swing from Lab to Con, brought about by aspirational types impressed with RTB and the SNP situation
    4) 2-3% of LAB voters don't show up on the day, due to being lazy sleeping hungover students, not on the electoral roll, rain and wind on polling day etc etc.

    Result - Tory majority of 20-40.

    Personally I think Cam will get no more that 290, but the CON ceiling appears a lot higher than the LAB one to me.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,930
    edited April 2015
    So this evenings polls I make it:

    Opinium (online)

    ComRes (online)

    YouGov (online)

    And probably the ICM wisdom thing which is also online I think?

    The dominance of online polling continues in this campaign...
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,157

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    The near death of SLAB at the hands of the SNP has almost no effect on the likelihood of Con Maj.

    If we were seeing a lot of ICMs at that end of the scale then what you're saying would make sense, but we've only seen that single poll from anyone, and even if that was right it's not clear that it would be enough.

    I'm not saying Con maj is impossibly unlikely, but it's at least as far from where available evidence is pointing as Lab maj.St.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Do any posters own up to wishful thinking in the posts they write on PB?
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:


    Oh you people are hysterical. You cannot get a trade surplus by assertion any more than you can increase public spending that way. Scotland has huge structural issues with its trade which are only partly being demonstrated by the current increase in our unemployment when the rUK rate continues to fall.

    If our Scottish government stopped wasting all their time and effort on constitutional change and focussed on what our economy actually needs to give our children some prospect of earning close to the current generation there might be a chance of improvement. But there is absolutely no chance of that.

    England has created in London in particular an international power house which exports incredible volumes of services around the world. They have achieved this by being open, entrepreneurial, attracting inward investment and international skills to a vibrant multicultural city that is one of the best places in the world to live. Go through that list and try to find one criteria for modern success that you would find in an independent Scotland. Just one would be a start.

    You're resorting to Gish Gashing but I'd hardly expect better from someone who claims to be a Tory while existing to suckle at the public teet.
    Public teat? Not sure what you are talking about there. I do a small amount of legal aid work, mainly for cases that I care about or for people I think are being taken a loan of by an over mighty state. It costs me money.
    Out of interest - as I can't find any myself - does the Faculty of Advocates publish information on what percentage of income Advocates get from publicly funded work?
    Not as such. The earnings of individual advocates (including me) from the Scottish Legal Aid Board are published by them annually and are available online.
    http://www.slab.org.uk/common/documents/Advocate_earnings_alpha_2012-2013.pdf

    In addition to that advocates are of course employed by the State as standing juniors, Advocates Depute and to represent the State in various ways. I don't think that is published. I personally don't do any of that.
    Cheers.

    I think we know where to start with the £7.6bn black hole.
    Well not paying advocates to resist actions for the disclosure of non existent legal advice on behalf of a lying First Minister would of course be a start.
    That was an investment.

    Think of all those productive column inches generated for the papers and advertising in said papers. The Scotsman needs every penny it can get as it's dying off as fast as the Union.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,434
    Financier said:

    DavidL said:


    snip

    ch.

    I think politicians should be willing to tackle it more - I got an awful lot of good feedback when I wrote this:
    http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/personal-manifesto-part-i-is-britain-viable/
    That said, it's impossible to argue on the doorstep or in media-friendly soundbites.
    Nick. Well done in writing that. However, since at least WW2 our Governments have chosen to spend more and more of the resources that the Govt has (or borrows) onto:-
    Out of work Welfare, Subsidising low wages, the NHS and other Public Services.

    Fundamentally we need to much spend less on current public sector operations and more on genuine infrastructure.

    Who would actually change these allocations with the national religion of the NHS? Not an Ed Miliband led Government as Ed scarcely understands the need for dividends for share owners! They are all nasty capitalists. Tony Blair's government had an opportunity, but blew the chance and blew the surplus cash. Maybe we just have to go down rapidly into the socialist chaos of Miliband for the country to be taken to the IMF brink again and the Conservatives to choose a Leader capable of tackling the problems you correctly identify.
    I very much agree and was very interested in Nick Palmer's diagnosis of the Uk's economic problems and on what he is going to focus which he says is,

    "So part of my personal manifesto is going to be a medium-term perspective that is focused on making Britain viable but fair. That means, specifically, that I don’t favour significant tax cuts for individuals unless they’re funded from other sources. I’m sorry, but we need to be honest with each other. At the moment, we can’t afford them, and I’d recommend looking with suspicion at anyone who says we can."


    Nick's problem is that he is almost a lone voice shouting in the Labour wilderness, as practically none of his party are taking a longer term view and probably would not even know what that means - which is years of tightening belts before we get there.
    The emphasis on tax cuts by the Tories in this election has been a serious strategic error. Many people think if there is money available for tax cuts there is money available for funding public services, why are we having cuts? The answer is not straightforward enough to get over quickly!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,011

    Do any posters own up to wishful thinking in the posts they write on PB?

    I fastidiously am trying to avoid any sort of wishful thinking this General Election.
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    Do any posters own up to wishful thinking in the posts they write on PB?

    I think most post probably are.

    Although if I am demonstrating a possible scenario, I try to always caveat it with my own opinion at the end (which in itself isn't necessarily my preferred scenario).
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,016
    I do, very occasionally, post about Jennifer Morrison and Olivia Wilde pillow-fighting over which one gets to sleep with me, but I do acknowledge that's moderately unlikely.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,140
    Plato said:

    Golly, what a numpty. Good luck :-)

    DavidL said:

    BTW for less than brilliant campaigning can anyone beat Pete Wishart who wrote to the Courier this week complaining that people were planning to vote against him tactically in Perth and North Perthshire and how unfair this all was (thereby publicising the possibility)?

    Might make some references to that letter on the doorstep this afternoon.

    David is not that bad plato , misguided Tory but not a numpty.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,434
    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:


    You're resorting to Gish Gashing but I'd hardly expect better from someone who claims to be a Tory while existing to suckle at the public teet.
    Public teat? Not sure what you are talking about there. I do a small amount of legal aid work, mainly for cases that I care about or for people I think are being taken a loan of by an over mighty state. It costs me money.
    Out of interest - as I can't find any myself - does the Faculty of Advocates publish information on what percentage of income Advocates get from publicly funded work?
    Not as such. The earnings of individual advocates (including me) from the Scottish Legal Aid Board are published by them annually and are available online.
    http://www.slab.org.uk/common/documents/Advocate_earnings_alpha_2012-2013.pdf

    In addition to that advocates are of course employed by the State as standing juniors, Advocates Depute and to represent the State in various ways. I don't think that is published. I personally don't do any of that.
    Cheers.

    I think we know where to start with the £7.6bn black hole.
    Well not paying advocates to resist actions for the disclosure of non existent legal advice on behalf of a lying First Minister would of course be a start.
    That was an investment.

    Think of all those productive column inches generated for the papers and advertising in said papers. The Scotsman needs every penny it can get as it's dying off as fast as the Union.
    LOL very good. The Scotsman is indeed a pointless rag that only seems to exist for the death notices.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    The near death of SLAB at the hands of the SNP has almost no effect on the likelihood of Con Maj.

    If we were seeing a lot of ICMs at that end of the scale then what you're saying would make sense, but we've only seen that single poll from anyone, and even if that was right it's not clear that it would be enough.

    I'm not saying Con maj is impossibly unlikely, but it's at least as far from where available evidence is pointing as Lab maj.St.
    ICM is within striking distance of a Con maj, I don't see (post-Scotland) any polls which reasonably point to a Lab maj being possible.

    We seem dead set on a hung parliament either way.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Do any posters own up to wishful thinking in the posts they write on PB?

    I fastidiously am trying to avoid any sort of wishful thinking this General Election.
    lol. Me too.

    It's really hard trying to beat out your own biases when coming up with a tissue price.

    Still, politics/current affairs are one of the few areas of betting where I have a substantial and consistent edge over the bookies - so I must be doing something right.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited April 2015

    Is Mr. Easterross banned? I believe he's having problems, according to his Twitter feed [I think this is the right chap, apologies if the username's wrong]:
    twitter.com/Scots_Tory/status/589149489132371970


    It seems so, according to his vanilla profile.

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    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:


    You're resorting to Gish Gashing but I'd hardly expect better from someone who claims to be a Tory while existing to suckle at the public teet.
    Public teat? Not sure what you are talking about there. I do a small amount of legal aid work, mainly for cases that I care about or for people I think are being taken a loan of by an over mighty state. It costs me money.
    Out of interest - as I can't find any myself - does the Faculty of Advocates publish information on what percentage of income Advocates get from publicly funded work?
    Not as such. The earnings of individual advocates (including me) from the Scottish Legal Aid Board are published by them annually and are available online.
    http://www.slab.org.uk/common/documents/Advocate_earnings_alpha_2012-2013.pdf

    In addition to that advocates are of course employed by the State as standing juniors, Advocates Depute and to represent the State in various ways. I don't think that is published. I personally don't do any of that.
    Cheers.

    I think we know where to start with the £7.6bn black hole.
    Well not paying advocates to resist actions for the disclosure of non existent legal advice on behalf of a lying First Minister would of course be a start.
    That was an investment.

    Think of all those productive column inches generated for the papers and advertising in said papers. The Scotsman needs every penny it can get as it's dying off as fast as the Union.
    LOL very good. The Scotsman is indeed a pointless rag that only seems to exist for the death notices.
    Perhaps there will be an obituary to SLAB published on 8th May 2015
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Speaking of vintage TV - what beats Alias Smith & Jones?

    Seriously, I watched it all and saw this fascinating article about Quincy MD in Cult TV Times about forensic science and the law changes - many rubbish old TV as pulp, but there's nuggets in d'em hills... washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/25/jack-klugmans-secret-lifesaving-legacy/
    The actor Jack Klugman died on Christmas Eve at age 90. Klugman was best known for his roles as the unkempt sportswriter in "The Odd Couple" and as the crusading medical examiner on "Quincy, M.E." the wildly popular 1980s medical drama. Few people remember it today, but he also played an instrumental role in passing critical health-care legislation, the Orphan Drug Act, through Congress in the early 1980s, using "Quincy" and his own celebrity to roll Sen. Orrin Hatch (R), who was blocking the bill.

    Klugman's unlikely star turn in Washington stemmed from a 1980 hearing by the House Subcommittee on Health and the Environment on the problem of developing treatments for rare diseases. The problem was that many terrible diseases didn't afflict enough people to entice pharmaceutical companies to develop treatments. Hence they were "orphan" diseases. They included Tourette's syndrome, muscular dystrophy, cystic fibrosis, spina bifida, ALS and many more. The situation was especially tragic because scientists who discovered promising treatments often couldn't interest drug makers, who didn't see potential for profit.
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited April 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Do any posters own up to wishful thinking in the posts they write on PB?

    It IS difficult, very difficult.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,140
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    No SLAB incumbency in SW is a real problem for Labour and why I'm confident about my bet there.
    I was speaking to one of the candidates yesterday and he was forecasting a Labour hold. Not sure how much canvassing information that is based on though.
    based on a wing and a prayer I think
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    I see that EdMs vow that, "The new task force - or Home Office Enforcement Unit - would have more than 100 staff to root out the illegal exploitation which undercuts wages and conditions for local workers. It would bring together teams from the Gangmasters Licensing Authority and specialist police units with extra Home Office staff." is in fact just more statism. EdM will not be satisfied until he has followed his father's Marxist dream of state control over everything and everyone, except those at the top who are doing the controlling and so can live a rich life apart from the 'serfs' under their control - much more like life under the Stasi or Stalinism.

    However, the coalition has increased penalties on employers who pay less than the legal minimum and has placed a cap on non-EU migration - a fact conveniently ignored by EdM.
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    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    The near death of SLAB at the hands of the SNP has almost no effect on the likelihood of Con Maj.

    If we were seeing a lot of ICMs at that end of the scale then what you're saying would make sense, but we've only seen that single poll from anyone, and even if that was right it's not clear that it would be enough.

    I'm not saying Con maj is impossibly unlikely, but it's at least as far from where available evidence is pointing as Lab maj.St.
    Of the 3 options I listed a Con majority is the least likely. But we have the gold standard showing it is possible. All the other factors point to a very high probability of a hung parliament.

    The near death of SLAB does help the Conservatives chances in that resources have had to be diverted to SLAB. Unfortunately for SLAB this looks to have been far too late a switch. Something one poster politely recommended last year.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,434
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    No SLAB incumbency in SW is a real problem for Labour and why I'm confident about my bet there.
    I was speaking to one of the candidates yesterday and he was forecasting a Labour hold. Not sure how much canvassing information that is based on though.
    based on a wing and a prayer I think
    It wasn't the Labour candidate.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    edited April 2015

    I do, very occasionally, post about Jennifer Morrison and Olivia Wilde pillow-fighting over which one gets to sleep with me, but I do acknowledge that's moderately unlikely.

    Certainly unlikely. Clearly they would reach some sort of compromise, I am sure.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,930
    edited April 2015
    Re. the ICM "outlier" Baxter show's the Tories with a majority of 8 on those numbers. I think it would probably be a bit more than that though (maybe 20 seat majority?) Not that it will happen on the day.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,140
    Before I leave, Broadway Buffalo is my tip for the Scottish National this afternoon, bet on it at your peril. All law suits to be handled by DavidL.
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    Financier said:

    I see that EdMs vow that, "The new task force - or Home Office Enforcement Unit - would have more than 100 staff to root out the illegal exploitation which undercuts wages and conditions for local workers. It would bring together teams from the Gangmasters Licensing Authority and specialist police units with extra Home Office staff." is in fact just more statism. EdM will not be satisfied until he has followed his father's Marxist dream of state control over everything and everyone, except those at the top who are doing the controlling and so can live a rich life apart from the 'serfs' under their control - much more like life under the Stasi or Stalinism.

    However, the coalition has increased penalties on employers who pay less than the legal minimum and has placed a cap on non-EU migration - a fact conveniently ignored by EdM.

    Yes Ed is following in his father's footsteps, a real socialist.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    It seems we keep hearing things like "The SNP aren't doing so well in (Area X)" then an Ashcroft poll comes along and, oops, SNP are cleaning up.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,016
    Mr. Hopkins, ah, didn't think to check. Cheers
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Al Murray's Pub Landlord is standing for Parliament. The leader of the Common Sense Revolution is battling Ukip leader Nigel Farage, no less, for the Kent constituency of South Thanet, with his election campaign poised to air on TV channel Dave as viewers await results on election night.

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    The documentary will feature fly-on-the-wall access to the 'Guv's' campaign trail and meetings with his trusted political advisors. It'll be edited right up until transmission, with footage from the very end of his campaign.

    The show will also be updated with results and footage from election night, and then shown again at a later date, RadioTimes.com understands.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Olivia Wilde is lovely as 13. I'm more your Ian Somerhalder sort.

    I do, very occasionally, post about Jennifer Morrison and Olivia Wilde pillow-fighting over which one gets to sleep with me, but I do acknowledge that's moderately unlikely.

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,140
    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    No SLAB incumbency in SW is a real problem for Labour and why I'm confident about my bet there.
    I was speaking to one of the candidates yesterday and he was forecasting a Labour hold. Not sure how much canvassing information that is based on though.
    based on a wing and a prayer I think
    It wasn't the Labour candidate.
    David , They are all useless and hoping for the best, ie praying SNP don't whitewash the lot of them..
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    I do, very occasionally, post about Jennifer Morrison and Olivia Wilde pillow-fighting over which one gets to sleep with me, but I do acknowledge that's moderately unlikely.

    During the election period you should also include Hugh Laurie as another candidate.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,930
    edited April 2015
    Looks like crossover has occurred on this graph anyway;

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/icm

    :smiley:
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,011
    Must admit I went in on Ilford North off the back of the Tory rumour mill (On Labour) - we'll see how much it's worth come election day.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like crossover has occurred on this graph anyway;

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/icm

    :smiley:

    LDs lost their ICM crutch quite rapidly I see.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I do, very occasionally, post about Jennifer Morrison and Olivia Wilde pillow-fighting over which one gets to sleep with me, but I do acknowledge that's moderately unlikely.

    During the election period you should also include Hugh Laurie as another candidate.
    Or Lisa Edelstein at least.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    IIRC its mainly Populus. And ICM don't White Label their brand.
    GIN1138 said:

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    It still is by many of us, but no longer by OGH it would seem ..... I wonder why not?
    OGH seem's to have ditched ICM for The Good Lord... :(

    Though somebody said ICM do the fieldwork for Lord Ashcroft so it may all be the same company in the end?

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,930
    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like crossover has occurred on this graph anyway;

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/icm

    :smiley:

    LDs lost their ICM crutch quite rapidly I see.
    Lib-Dem polling has been dreadful with ICM this year.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,011
    The Finchley polling along with Kingswood has backed up my friend so far mind.
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    Should we be surprised at the death of SLAB? After all I can barely recall ever reading from any SLAB poster here on PB. Whereas we have had several from SNP and a few SCONS. Just an unrepresentative sample but why were SLAB so quiet on here during the lead in to the independence vote?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Con 302 (-3) .. Lab 252 (+3) .. LibDem 28 (-2) .. SNP 40 (+2) .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1



    JackW seat predition very worrying for the tories.

    In less than two weeks tories have lost around 12 seats and if the downward turns carry on,we could be heading for 280 odd tory seats and 270 odd labour seats under JackW poll for his final score ;-)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,930
    edited April 2015
    Plato said:

    IIRC its mainly Populus. And ICM don't White Label their brand.

    GIN1138 said:

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    It still is by many of us, but no longer by OGH it would seem ..... I wonder why not?
    OGH seem's to have ditched ICM for The Good Lord... :(

    Though somebody said ICM do the fieldwork for Lord Ashcroft so it may all be the same company in the end?

    Thx for confirming. :smiley:




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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Plato - Speaking of vintage TV - what beats Alias Smith & Jones?

    How about Hill Street Blues?

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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Financier said:

    I see that EdMs vow that, "The new task force - or Home Office Enforcement Unit - would have more than 100 staff to root out the illegal exploitation which undercuts wages and conditions for local workers. It would bring together teams from the Gangmasters Licensing Authority and specialist police units with extra Home Office staff." is in fact just more statism. EdM will not be satisfied until he has followed his father's Marxist dream of state control over everything and everyone, except those at the top who are doing the controlling and so can live a rich life apart from the 'serfs' under their control - much more like life under the Stasi or Stalinism.

    However, the coalition has increased penalties on employers who pay less than the legal minimum and has placed a cap on non-EU migration - a fact conveniently ignored by EdM.

    Maybe. But it's a real problem. Gangmasters skimming all they can from employees with or without the employer knowing. Makes it difficult to achieve anything.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,016
    Hugh Laurie doesn't float my boat.

    Bloody weird seeing him as House after George (in Blackadder) though. Almost as disconcerting as having Crichton and Aeryn in the last two series of Stargate: SG-1.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    It still is by many of us, but seemingly no longer by OGH it would seem ..... I wonder why not?
    I don't think ICM should be disregarded. It has an excellent record. There was nothing strange about its figures for Labour, Lib Dems, or Greens. Nor, for the combined Con/UKIP vote share.

    Were we to assume a more plausible split of 36/10 for Con/UKIP, with the other numbers remaining the same, then Baxter puts the Conservatives on 311 seats, a strong position.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,930
    edited April 2015

    Con 302 (-3) .. Lab 252 (+3) .. LibDem 28 (-2) .. SNP 40 (+2) .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1



    JackW seat predition very worrying for the tories.

    In less than two weeks tories have lost around 12 seats and if the downward turns carry on,we could be heading for 280 odd tory seats and 270 odd labour seats under JackW poll for his final score ;-)

    Cameron has got to stop the rot coming out of Jack's Arse...

    Windeze?

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    Looking at ICM's performance in the run up to 2010, they were remarkable good with the Labour share of the vote. They were a bit heavy on LD (other pollsters were to as a result of the fallout out of the debates).

    After the debates, they never overstated the tories in 7 polls up to the date of the election.

    If Monday's ICM shows high 30s for tories, then I think it would be very foolish indeed to discount it.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The absence of SLABers was most peculiar over the years, I assumed they were too lofty to engage. Now I wonder if it's just symptomatic of apathy that's been critically exposed this time around.

    It's been in explicable that we've had none IIRC over all my years here - perhaps its actually endemic entitlement.

    Should we be surprised at the death of SLAB? After all I can barely recall ever reading from any SLAB poster here on PB. Whereas we have had several from SNP and a few SCONS. Just an unrepresentative sample but why were SLAB so quiet on here during the lead in to the independence vote?

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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    What beats Smith and Jones...MASH
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    This morning you can back Labour at odds against in every single Edinburgh seat

    Edinburgh East 5/1 (widely available)
    Edinburgh North & Leith 7/4 (Paddy Power, Betfair)
    Edinburgh South 11/10 (Coral, Paddy Power)
    Edinburgh South West 3/1 (Ladbrokes, Paddy Power, BetFred, BoyleSports, BetVictor)
    Edinburgh West 5/1 (Paddy Power, BoyleSports)

    These rumours aren't making their way into bets.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,930
    edited April 2015
    Sean_F said:

    The clear conclusion that has come through from this GE campaign is that Ed Miliband will not have a majority Government. The SNP have killed that off. If as seems likely SLAB are reduced to 6 or less, Ed Miliband will need 103+ net gains outside of Scotland, which is a very remote possibility. If the LDs are reduced to circa 25, then Miliband needs 78+ net gains to form that coalition, again something that looks to be remote. The other minor parties may reduce that to around a need for 70 gains but it looks a step too far. Therefore it really comes down to 3 outcomes:-
    1. Miliband +SNP support
    2. Cameron majority
    3. Cameron + LD support.

    I don't get this - I mean, on current polling I get why you rule out Lab maj but why is Con maj still in the list? On current polling, this is nowhere near. If the national picture moves a lot, which it probably won't, you could see Con maj or 103+ Lab gains.
    The last ICM would not need much movement combined with a near death of SLAB to produce that option. ICM used to be regarded as the gold standard on this website......
    It still is by many of us, but seemingly no longer by OGH it would seem ..... I wonder why not?
    I don't think ICM should be disregarded. It has an excellent record. There was nothing strange about its figures for Labour, Lib Dems, or Greens. Nor, for the combined Con/UKIP vote share.

    Were we to assume a more plausible split of 36/10 for Con/UKIP, with the other numbers remaining the same, then Baxter puts the Conservatives on 311 seats, a strong position.

    That's what I've been saying.

    Clearly ICM was over the top on the Con number but they have been consistently showing the Tories ahead while all other pollsters show them neck and neck or behind.

    If Con was to win the national share of the vote it would be congrats to ICM, IMO.

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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,978
    edited April 2015
    @DavidL - my point was that if you look at our overall exports we do far worse than our major competitors, most of which have educational outcomes at (most big western European countries) or below (the US) ours. Of course we need to improve our education system, but it is not the reason we export less than Germany, France, the US etc. We just don't produce enough stuff people in other countries want to buy. And that's mainly down to decisions taken by the people who run businesses here: cut, work from quarter to quarter, don't invest in R&D, then cut again, pay dividend, collect bonus, blame red tape, unions, teachers, take no responsibility, and repeat to fade.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I though Mr Laurie was excellent as House, MD. He was an excellent foil to Rowan in Blackadder esp as Prince Regent.

    Hugh Laurie doesn't float my boat.

    Bloody weird seeing him as House after George (in Blackadder) though. Almost as disconcerting as having Crichton and Aeryn in the last two series of Stargate: SG-1.

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I completed a Populus Survey of the GE earlier this morning. I had my UKIP input writ large. :)
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    I wonder how much of a handicap Jim Murphy's choice of temporary twitter handle being @JimForScotland instead of @JimForEastRen might have made him come across as arrogant.

    Well, more arrogant.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I've just bought MASH on DVD - I have to block out a few days to binge it.

    Been watching Between The Lines from the 90s about police corruption with Neil Pearson - it really is excellent. Siobhan Redmond is super too.imdb.com/title/tt0103362/?ref_=nv_sr_2

    What beats Smith and Jones...MASH

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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited April 2015

    @DavidL - my point was that if you look at our overall exports we do far worse than our major competitors, most of which have educational outcomes at (most big western European countries) or below (the US) ours. Of course we need to improve our education system, but it is not the reason we export less than Germany, France, the US etc. We just don't produce enough stuff people in other countries want to buy. And that's mainly down to decisions taken by the people who run businesses here: cut, work from quarter to quarter, don't invest in R&D, then cut again, pay dividend, collect bonus, blame red tape, unions, teachers, take no responsibility, and repeat to fade.

    One exporting issue is that the UK's competitive strength is in services such as banking, insurance, legal and consultancy. These are all invisible exports - and thus invisible.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    The reason for the SLAB situation is that they were always seen as the key anti-Tory vote; they never really had to work for it.

    After the IndyRef, the SNP are seen as a viable alternative AND Labour cosied up to the hated Tories.

    Therefore I don't think there will be much pulling back to Labour, and the SNP will do very well and match the polls. The question will be how much tactical anti-SNP voting there might be.

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    isamisam Posts: 41,019
    surbiton said:

    I don't think Labour will end up in single figures in Scotland. Some Edinburgh and surrounding seats are inching back to Labour from the SNP.

    Is Dagenham in play now ?

    I spoke for hours yesterday with a reasonably big name in Dagenham life... and he is prob voting UKIP.. but he doesn't live in Dagenham!

    Some of local activists think theyre in with a chance.. but others say in a seat w no UKIP councillors, victory is v unlikely
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pong said:

    It's really hard trying to beat out your own biases when coming up with a tissue price.

    You rang?
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    HSB was good - but it's dated by virtue of its time. AS&J is too long ago to do it.

    I'm a huge fan of trick riding and there's loads in there. Saw Valley of Gwangi a few weeks ago and the stunt riding in that Western Meets Dinosaurs was superb.

    Plato - Speaking of vintage TV - what beats Alias Smith & Jones?

    How about Hill Street Blues?

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    isamisam Posts: 41,019
    Plato said:

    I've just bought MASH on DVD - I have to block out a few days to binge it.

    Been watching Between The Lines from the 90s about police corruption with Neil Pearson - it really is excellent. Siobhan Redmond is super too.imdb.com/title/tt0103362/?ref_=nv_sr_2

    What beats Smith and Jones...MASH

    Fortitude and True Detective a recent good series.. but I have been watching Twin Peaks to.. love it
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,434
    antifrank said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    This morning you can back Labour at odds against in every single Edinburgh seat

    Edinburgh East 5/1 (widely available)
    Edinburgh North & Leith 7/4 (Paddy Power, Betfair)
    Edinburgh South 11/10 (Coral, Paddy Power)
    Edinburgh South West 3/1 (Ladbrokes, Paddy Power, BetFred, BoyleSports, BetVictor)
    Edinburgh West 5/1 (Paddy Power, BoyleSports)

    These rumours aren't making their way into bets.
    antifrank said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    This morning you can back Labour at odds against in every single Edinburgh seat

    Edinburgh East 5/1 (widely available)
    Edinburgh North & Leith 7/4 (Paddy Power, Betfair)
    Edinburgh South 11/10 (Coral, Paddy Power)
    Edinburgh South West 3/1 (Ladbrokes, Paddy Power, BetFred, BoyleSports, BetVictor)
    Edinburgh West 5/1 (Paddy Power, BoyleSports)

    These rumours aren't making their way into bets.
    I think East and West have probably gone (West being Crockett of course). The other 3 are still in play to varying degrees. My guess is that Labour will hold 2/3 which makes these odds quite tempting.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2015

    Hugh Laurie doesn't float my boat.

    Bloody weird seeing him as House after George (in Blackadder) though. Almost as disconcerting as having Crichton and Aeryn in the last two series of Stargate: SG-1.

    I like the way the Stargate team cast actors from other sci-fi series. I think it's clever marketing, and I like seeing the actors again.

    It would be better still if they kept their original characters too. Aeryn Sun was a much better character than the Stargate one.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Is Yvette Cooper deliberately trying to make herself look like Justine Thornton?

    It's getting a bit creepy on a number of levels.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2015
    I :heart: True Detective - until the last show it was stunning. Finale = was lazy - Matthew McCononhey [sp] is so great at laid back Southerner. Fiddling with those lager cans was epic suspense.

    Haven't seen Fortitude - will look it up. FYI imdb.com/title/tt3498622/?ref_=nv_sr_1
    isam said:

    Plato said:

    I've just bought MASH on DVD - I have to block out a few days to binge it.

    Been watching Between The Lines from the 90s about police corruption with Neil Pearson - it really is excellent. Siobhan Redmond is super too.imdb.com/title/tt0103362/?ref_=nv_sr_2

    What beats Smith and Jones...MASH

    Fortitude and True Detective a recent good series.. but I have been watching Twin Peaks to.. love it
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    TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like crossover has occurred on this graph anyway;

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/icm

    :smiley:

    You posted at 11.38

    Is your handle a reference to THX 1138?
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015
    Plato said:

    The absence of SLABers was most peculiar over the years, I assumed they were too lofty to engage. Now I wonder if it's just symptomatic of apathy that's been critically exposed this time around.

    It's been in explicable that we've had none IIRC over all my years here - perhaps its actually endemic entitlement.

    Should we be surprised at the death of SLAB? After all I can barely recall ever reading from any SLAB poster here on PB. Whereas we have had several from SNP and a few SCONS. Just an unrepresentative sample but why were SLAB so quiet on here during the lead in to the independence vote?

    It's more complicated than apathy.

    The problem with SLAB is that the machine has never required "footsoldiers". They don't campaign so they don't need them. They select their candidates from the ranks of the Unions and (much more than in England) the Co-Operative Movement so people didn't need to join the party and campaign on the ground to progress on the path to power and position.

    The reality is that they were always an empty shell with numbers padded by Social Clubs and Unions.

    The referendum exposed this, hence the bussing of activists from England. And now it's more apparent than ever.

    Ironically Labour were (and probably still are) by far the most active political party on University campuses. But their party structure prevents this translating into any useful pool of activists.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549


    The reason for the SLAB situation is that they were always seen as the key anti-Tory vote; they never really had to work for it.

    After the IndyRef, the SNP are seen as a viable alternative AND Labour cosied up to the hated Tories.

    Therefore I don't think there will be much pulling back to Labour, and the SNP will do very well and match the polls. The question will be how much tactical anti-SNP voting there might be.

    There is a small thing in Labour's favour. It requires gigantic swings to overtake Labour in Scotland.

    Agreed, SNP is now polling around 20% swings. However, it will not be even. Some will be 15% , other 25% and so on.

    Some of these lower swings may not be enough to topple the incumbent. That said, I do not give Labour more than 10.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    antifrank said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Take it as an upper bound for Labour's hopes.

    Edinburgh South could well hold still. I reckon its the toughest.

    I have heard increasing rumours that SLAB might hold on in a number of Edinburgh seats including Edinburgh SW, partly from a modest recovery, partly from the SNP movement leftwards (which in fairness seems to be playing very well in Glasgow and its environs) and partly on the back of some fairly hefty tactical voting.

    It is in the west they are having real problems.
    This morning you can back Labour at odds against in every single Edinburgh seat

    Edinburgh East 5/1 (widely available)
    Edinburgh North & Leith 7/4 (Paddy Power, Betfair)
    Edinburgh South 11/10 (Coral, Paddy Power)
    Edinburgh South West 3/1 (Ladbrokes, Paddy Power, BetFred, BoyleSports, BetVictor)
    Edinburgh West 5/1 (Paddy Power, BoyleSports)

    These rumours aren't making their way into bets.
    Comfort Gossip.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    I don't think Labour will end up in single figures in Scotland. Some Edinburgh and surrounding seats are inching back to Labour from the SNP.

    Is Dagenham in play now ?

    I spoke for hours yesterday with a reasonably big name in Dagenham life... and he is prob voting UKIP.. but he doesn't live in Dagenham!

    Some of local activists think theyre in with a chance.. but others say in a seat w no UKIP councillors, victory is v unlikely
    I can't see it. The Conservatives remain strong and Jon Cruddas is a popular MP.

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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    I don't think Labour will end up in single figures in Scotland. Some Edinburgh and surrounding seats are inching back to Labour from the SNP.

    Is Dagenham in play now ?

    I spoke for hours yesterday with a reasonably big name in Dagenham life... and he is prob voting UKIP.. but he doesn't live in Dagenham!

    Some of local activists think theyre in with a chance.. but others say in a seat w no UKIP councillors, victory is v unlikely
    I watched some of the Political Studies Assoc YouTube videos yesterday. In one of them [Mr Ford?] said they thought UKIP have more support among previous non-voters than the data showed, as those people tended to not be caught in surveys.

    Fingers crossed for UKIP to surprise the pollsters! :-)
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,016
    Mr. Dave, oh, aye, I don't mind sci-fi actors/actresses getting multiple gigs in the genre, but it's just weird seeing two I knew very well from Farscape in SG-1 [and, as you say, Aeryn is far cooler than, er, whatever her Stargate character was called].

    I have posted this before, but I think they're making a new Farscape film. If it does well, a new series could be in the offing.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,019
    Plato said:

    I :heart: True Detective - until the last show it was stunning. Finale = was lazy - Matthew McCononhey [sp] is so great at laid back Southerner. Fiddling with those lager cans was epic suspense.

    Haven't seen Fortitude - will look it up. FYI imdb.com/title/tt3498622/?ref_=nv_sr_1

    isam said:

    Plato said:

    I've just bought MASH on DVD - I have to block out a few days to binge it.

    Been watching Between The Lines from the 90s about police corruption with Neil Pearson - it really is excellent. Siobhan Redmond is super too.imdb.com/title/tt0103362/?ref_=nv_sr_2

    What beats Smith and Jones...MASH

    Fortitude and True Detective a recent good series.. but I have been watching Twin Peaks to.. love it
    Yeah the finale was too far fetched, rather disappointing... but MM was fantastic

    Sad/Not Sad fact, I didn't even know who he was before I watched that.. had never heard of him!
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,437

    Con 302 (-3) .. Lab 252 (+3) .. LibDem 28 (-2) .. SNP 40 (+2) .. PC 2 .. NI 18 .. UKIP 2 .. Respect 1 .. Green 1 .. Ind 0 .. Speaker 1



    JackW seat predition very worrying for the tories.

    In less than two weeks tories have lost around 12 seats and if the downward turns carry on,we could be heading for 280 odd tory seats and 270 odd labour seats under JackW poll for his final score ;-)

    Is it that the Tories are actually losing ground or that Jack's predictions are coming into line with the polls? You could argue it's the same thing if you've priced in a hefty dose of swingback that's failed to materialise if (and only if) you accept the model.

    That said, on the above numbers, Cameron would be back in Downing St., either in coalition with the Lib Dems or with their passive support. I note also that Jack's SNP score is quite conservative going on current polls.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2015
    Any Fox or CW show recycles actors like I don't know what. The Canadian shows have a small pool to fish in and I play Where Did I See You Before in almost every one.

    I felt StarGate was a bit too silly for me and slow - and I do silly. I liked Stargate with Mr Carlisle. Which one was that?

    PS I've got all the ancient Dr Who's recorded via Horror Channel - we're saving Colin ones now.

    Hugh Laurie doesn't float my boat.

    Bloody weird seeing him as House after George (in Blackadder) though. Almost as disconcerting as having Crichton and Aeryn in the last two series of Stargate: SG-1.

    I like the way the Stargate team cast actors from other sci-fi series. I think it's clever marketing, and I like seeing the actors again.

    It would be better still if they kept their original characters too. Aeryn Sun was a much better character than the Stargate one.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Most British people would be embarrassed to tell their friends and family they were voting UKIP – while voting Labour attracts the most pride

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/18/public-most-embarrassed-vote-ukip-most-proud-vote-/
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Plato said:

    Any Fox or CW show recycles actors like I don't know what. The Canadian shows have a small pool to fish in and I play Where Did I See You Before in almost every one.

    I felt StarGate was a bit too silly for me and slow - and I do silly. I liked Stargate with Mr Carlisle. Which one was that?

    PS I've got all the ancient Dr Who's recorded via Horror Channel - we're saving Colin ones now.

    Hugh Laurie doesn't float my boat.

    Bloody weird seeing him as House after George (in Blackadder) though. Almost as disconcerting as having Crichton and Aeryn in the last two series of Stargate: SG-1.

    I like the way the Stargate team cast actors from other sci-fi series. I think it's clever marketing, and I like seeing the actors again.

    It would be better still if they kept their original characters too. Aeryn Sun was a much better character than the Stargate one.
    Stargate Universe? That's the one that killed off the franchise sadly.

    SG1 was one of my favourite series of all time. Though it should have ended at the end of season 8 (before the 2 Farscape characters joined). Season 8's finale finished off the overarching storyline the show had always been about, season's 9&10 dragged it out too far making it feel a tad stale which was a shame.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2015
    marke09 said:

    Most British people would be embarrassed to tell their friends and family they were voting UKIP – while voting Labour attracts the most pride

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/18/public-most-embarrassed-vote-ukip-most-proud-vote-/

    One thing I've found odd about the debates is how keen the various candidates are to stress their desire to splurge borrowed money. The programme doesn't seem to matter, just spending _more_.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Fascinating, cemetery votes nevertheless
    Dair said:

    Plato said:

    The absence of SLABers was most peculiar over the years, I assumed they were too lofty to engage. Now I wonder if it's just symptomatic of apathy that's been critically exposed this time around.

    It's been in explicable that we've had none IIRC over all my years here - perhaps its actually endemic entitlement.

    Should we be surprised at the death of SLAB? After all I can barely recall ever reading from any SLAB poster here on PB. Whereas we have had several from SNP and a few SCONS. Just an unrepresentative sample but why were SLAB so quiet on here during the lead in to the independence vote?

    It's more complicated than apathy.

    The problem with SLAB is that the machine has never required "footsoldiers". They don't campaign so they don't need them. They select their candidates from the ranks of the Unions and (much more than in England) the Co-Operative Movement so people didn't need to join the party and campaign on the ground to progress on the path to power and position.

    The reality is that they were always an empty shell with numbers padded by Social Clubs and Unions.

    The referendum exposed this, hence the bussing of activists from England. And now it's more apparent than ever.

    Ironically Labour were (and probably still are) by far the most active political party on University campuses. But their party structure prevents this translating into any useful pool of activists.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,016
    Miss Plato, Universe, with RC. That would've been better as a different IP/franchise, though, as it felt too different [to me] to the previous Stargate series.

    I felt SG-1 got the perfect blend of humour [often lacking in SFF] and seriousness. And it had perhaps the best balanced 'team' of any TV series.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    marke09 said:

    Most British people would be embarrassed to tell their friends and family they were voting UKIP – while voting Labour attracts the most pride

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/18/public-most-embarrassed-vote-ukip-most-proud-vote-/

    Voting Lib Dem attracts the least pride, in that survey.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    marke09 said:

    Most British people would be embarrassed to tell their friends and family they were voting UKIP – while voting Labour attracts the most pride

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/18/public-most-embarrassed-vote-ukip-most-proud-vote-/

    "Liberal Democrats, at the other end of the scale, are least likely to say they are proud (42%) of their vote,"

    Bad omen for the LDs.
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