Non-representative anecdote but I just switched off PB and onto Facebook and at the time of writing I'm not seeing even a single post about this from any of by Facebook friends. Quite a few posts from across the political spectrum during and after the ITV debate.
Curious as to how much of the nation's interest this will have taken.
The expectations were so low for this - he walked through it as the center ground candidate. What's more tomorrow is going to be all about how Cameron won't debate him.... again!
So SNP winning Labour seats if that's true clearly help the Tories. It seems to answer the question as to which way the LD's would go if Lab+SNP = Tory seats and LD hold the balance of power.
Cameron's absence may be part of the political chatter for a while. I doubt it'll make a significant impact.
With Cameron and Clegg involved we would have had a different 'debate'. Was the last one any use? Do these 15 to 1 type debates do anything? Remind me - how many days left to go? Quite a few. Did anyone today actually do anything significant to justify the claims made for these debates ?
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
Non-representative anecdote but I just switched off PB and onto Facebook and at the time of writing I'm not seeing even a single post about this from any of by Facebook friends. Quite a few posts from across the political spectrum during and after the ITV debate.
Curious as to how much of the nation's interest this will have taken.
Same here. Several photos of babies, lots of scenic views from round-coast walkers (lucky bu**ers), and one photo of a phone box.
I guess I'm just not heavily enough involved with the political scene. :-)
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
But I thought we were always told that private-sector workers didn't care about public spending?
I really wouldn't worry about the polling on this. From the sound of it no-one did anything to change a single vote.
Didn't watch it. My impression is the same as yours. The public will probably note the one on one debate challenge, but a fair percentage of the public will be glad to be spared the political clutter on the main TV channels.
Are they putting on Irish accents? I'm seeing Nigel Dods
Scott_P • Posts: 8,205 April 15 "SMukesh said:So Nick and Dave get an extra interview with Evan Davis as they aren't in tomorrow's debate.Is that correct?"
Scott_P • Posts: 8,205 April 15 "No All 3 leaders get Evan. Nick last Monday, Dave tonight, Ed next week. Immediately after the bunfight tomorrow, the Tories and Lib Dems get 30 mins with Emily Maitlis to respond"
The loser is Cameron, of course. Even worse are the LD's who made themselves irrelevant- one step below loser, but I do not know how you can classify that.
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
Mr. Jonnie, bit of an unfair comment, given Farage wants to cut the number of migrants entering the country.
I think the comment is pertinent. If you think it unfair then it has struck home. There is no indication that net migration is going to fall - and will rise substantially when Greece goes belly up. We only created 120,000 homes last year - take off the 70,000 or so for immigrants and that leaves 50,000 for people on waiting lists.
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
Until I read that I thought tonight's debate was the biggest political non-story of all time. I note you don't attribute it - Mirror?
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
The Cameron thing where he got a bit of a hard time...once upon a time, that was called a normal day out campaigning, but these days hardly any politicians ever put themselves out there where they actually talk to an unfiltered audience with questions that haven't been vetted beforehand.
Come on survation, get that poll out already. Everyone's getting antsy enough to start talking about twitter sentiment analysis as if it's a real thing
The loser is Cameron, of course. Even worse are the LD's who made themselves irrelevant- one step below loser, but I do not know how you can classify that.
AIUI the lib dems wanted to be there but we're prevented from attending. I'm not sure why though.
The loser is Cameron, of course. Even worse are the LD's who made themselves irrelevant- one step below loser, but I do not know how you can classify that.
Absolutely baffling how their absence is to be explained. I wonder how many viewers thought they were excluded because they are now too minor a party to appear alongside big hitters like the Greens? 15%? 20%? Enough to damage them, anyway.
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
The impression now is that the SNP want to run the UK on their terms. No wonder Ed said he wouldn't have a coalition with them. It wasn't enough. Ed came over as someone who was more done to than doing. Nicola was strong but Nige was right - plenty of Brits won't like what they heard Nicola saying.
Ed looks weak and those posters (with Salmond albeit) have never looked more acute.
Come on survation, get that poll out already. Everyone's getting antsy enough to start talking about twitter sentiment analysis as if it's a real thing
I cannot do any work until I know the results..........
The real loser tonight was the BBC. A real disgrace.
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
Ed will be storming to victory if the 15% who walked out all vote for him.
Good point from Toby Young over at The Telegraph: "Finally, the reason this was good for the Prime Minister is because it gave us a taste of the chaos that will ensue if Ed Miliband is in a position to form a government on May 8. This is what a “rainbow coalition” would look like – a weak Labour leader being pushed to the left by three anti-austerity party leaders."
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
I'd make Sturgeon the clear winner, by a long way. Miliband didn't bomb, but didn't shine either, but on the whole, I'd guess he'd be happy. Farage was quite bold, I think, and won't have upset his core vote. Of the other two, Wood is pretty irrelevent, but did ok, and Bennett did better than I thought she would. Not really a game changer, but it gives Labour headlines to attack Cameron as a coward, so they'll be pleased.
Good point from Toby Young over at The Telegraph: "Finally, the reason this was good for the Prime Minister is because it gave us a taste of the chaos that will ensue if Ed Miliband is in a position to form a government on May 8. This is what a “rainbow coalition” would look like – a weak Labour leader being pushed to the left by three anti-austerity party leaders."
Spot On.
"chaos" hasn't really taken hold as a thing in this campaign.
Good point from Toby Young over at The Telegraph: "Finally, the reason this was good for the Prime Minister is because it gave us a taste of the chaos that will ensue if Ed Miliband is in a position to form a government on May 8. This is what a “rainbow coalition” would look like – a weak Labour leader being pushed to the left by three anti-austerity party leaders."
Spot On.
Except the reason people fear the SNP is not because they're "anti-austerity". It's because people fear it would mean preferential treatment for Scotland and/or would pave the way for independence.
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
Ed will be storming to victory if the 15% who walked out all vote for him.
The loser is Cameron, of course. Even worse are the LD's who made themselves irrelevant- one step below loser, but I do not know how you can classify that.
Absolutely baffling how their absence is to be explained. I wonder how many viewers thought they were excluded because they are now too minor a party to appear alongside big hitters like the Greens? 15%? 20%? Enough to damage them, anyway.
It allowed Ed & Nicola to show their cards. Nicola couldn't help herself but spell out the type of UK she is prepared to accept in order to support Lab while Ed had nowhere to run bar refusing the "offer".
Good point from Toby Young over at The Telegraph: "Finally, the reason this was good for the Prime Minister is because it gave us a taste of the chaos that will ensue if Ed Miliband is in a position to form a government on May 8. This is what a “rainbow coalition” would look like – a weak Labour leader being pushed to the left by three anti-austerity party leaders."
Spot On.
"chaos" hasn't really taken hold as a thing in this campaign.
After the hype from tonight settles down the remaining three weeks of this campaign will boil down to the economy, the relationship between labour and the SNP, and Trident. The part on Trident from Sturgeon and Wood tanked indicating that Trident and the Country's security is very important at present. I have been saying this on this forum for weeks and I am certain that David Cameron and the conservatives will be homing in on this and in view of the generally negative response to UKIP may well secure many returning voters. Should think Desmond from the Express may have some concerns on his investment tonight
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
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Oh its William Hague
+38.24 Nige
+21.32 Sturge
-66.29 Ed
-160 the field
#boothefield
Cameron is such a coward.
About right
Curious as to how much of the nation's interest this will have taken.
The expectations were so low for this - he walked through it as the center ground candidate. What's more tomorrow is going to be all about how Cameron won't debate him.... again!
Probably got around 4 million voters watching. Not as much as a main BBC programme but that's a hell of a lot!
I thought Sturgeon did best of those on stage. SNP will likely be locked into top spot in Scotland I think.
The one who shocked me the most was the Green leader. She actually sounded sensible which is very concerning given her policies are anything but.
[And you're missing a 'with'].
Cameron's absence may be part of the political chatter for a while. I doubt it'll make a significant impact.
It's making Ed's personal rating going up and up and up..
So SNP winning Labour seats if that's true clearly help the Tories. It seems to answer the question as to which way the LD's would go if Lab+SNP = Tory seats and LD hold the balance of power.
I thought Nicola and the Indian girl, Leanne, did best
All this "I don't want Farage holding the balance of power".
News flash: Farage won't be holding the balance of power.
Remind me - how many days left to go? Quite a few. Did anyone today actually do anything significant to justify the claims made for these debates ?
Comes out at 70,000 houses a year.
Which seems about right to house 300,000 net immigrants.
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Our Sky News Twitter poll says Nicola Sturgeon won tonight's debate, while Natalie Bennett came last. pic.twitter.com/xZ7NaVUEpu
Voters walked out of a Tory campaign event – leaving flailing David Cameron red faced as he defended Conservative cuts.
The Prime Minister hoped to win over mobile phone workers with a town hall-style question-and-answer session.
But the bid backfired when they subjected him to a 42-minute grilling him over food banks, legal aid cuts and slashing benefits for the most vulnerable.
The flustered PM, sweat glistening at the base of his neck, watched as up to 30 of the 200-strong audience at O2 in Leeds walked out during his appearance, preferring to go back to work than listen to his electioneering.
I guess I'm just not heavily enough involved with the political scene. :-)
We need an abstentionous party winning mainland Labour seats too.
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Don't care about electoral tactics, it's wrong not to represent 30% of public opinion.
Pre-debate: Con 1.54
Post-debate: Con 1.53
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/16/tv-debate-pah-cameron-prefers-a-jolly-meet-and-greet-in-yorkshire
I am, however, off for the night. Goodnight, everyone.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/04/16/bbc-debate-miliband-scores-and-farage-misses
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/588807558854414337
Lulz.
Our Twitter poll results:
Sturgeon: 54%
Miliband: 20%
Farage: 17.5%
Wood: 4.5%
Bennett: 4%
Bloody Hell.
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers
Audience member: 'I thought Nicola Sturgeon was great. I was going to vote Ukip.' #leadersdebate
LOL
(Not what I thought over the 90 minutes overall)
Which makes Cameron and Clegg's decision to sit this one out even more questionable.
For the Cons.
The impression now is that the SNP want to run the UK on their terms. No wonder Ed said he wouldn't have a coalition with them. It wasn't enough. Ed came over as someone who was more done to than doing. Nicola was strong but Nige was right - plenty of Brits won't like what they heard Nicola saying.
Ed looks weak and those posters (with Salmond albeit) have never looked more acute.
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Call for new Bradford fire inquiry
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The real loser tonight was the BBC. A real disgrace.
I glad I missed if that was the telling moment.
He became a Voodoo Pole!
In Leeds.
FFs....
Spot On.
You're not strong enough': Nightmare for Miliband as Sturgeon insists he cannot get to No.10 without her help
Do I need to quote the source?
And whatever Ed is on, I don't want any thanks...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/16/20/27A49BC100000578-3042402-image-m-48_1429213684506.jpg