http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/labour-would-abolish-non-dom-tax-status "a spokesman for Ed. Milliband said 'UK citizens should pay tax on all gains, anywhere in the world'". Which if correct means it wouldn't apply to the likes of Lakshmi Mittal as he is not a British citizen, and presumably wouldn't bother to become one either.
Wait to see if Tony B is still 100% behind Ed when he gets his tax bill...
Still think Tories are heavy favourites, but they're going to have to come up with something atleast a bit more positive than saying "Ed is crap" everyday. It doesn't contrast well with Labour actually putting forward new ideas and positive proposals (regardless of whether people think they're good or not).
Still think Tories are heavy favourites, but they're going to have to come up with something atleast a bit more positive than saying "Ed is crap" everyday. It doesn't contrast well with Labour actually putting forward new ideas and positive proposals (regardless of whether people think they're good or not).
Favourites for most seats, not for Dave to remain PM imo.
http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/labour-would-abolish-non-dom-tax-status "a spokesman for Ed. Milliband said 'UK citizens should pay tax on all gains, anywhere in the world'". Which if correct means it wouldn't apply to the likes of Lakshmi Mittal as he is not a British citizen, and presumably wouldn't bother to become one either.
Hold on...isn't that the issue with most non-doms that live here? The opposite way around i.e they don't live here, could they just not give up their British Citizenship?
And that isn't what the headlines infers.
Making UK citizens pay tax on all their worldwide earnings is very similar to the rule for US citizens. But remember that there are double taxation treaties in place so to the extent that tax has already been paid in, say , Italy, the amount of additional tax due in the UK may be zero or negligible.
Tax residency and tax domicile are complicated concepts. I don't know how easy it would be to change these but broadly I agree that people living In the UK should pay tax here. But I think that the number of non-doms living here is not so large that taxing them - on what precisely? - will raise huge amounts. It's all about the mood music and on that may be successful.
Anyone thinking that ordinary people won't be taxed, taxed and taxed some more if Labour form the government needs their head examined. Labour are being utterly dishonest in pretending that all their spending will be paid for by taxes on bankers, non-doms and mansions.
It will be Mr and Mrs Average, their savings, pension and no 32 Acacia Avenue who will pay, as they always do.
@iainmartin1: Twitter full of desperate Nats saying Sturgeon won debate. It's that cult thing again. Even when leader loses, claim victory. Creepy.
Can't remember who said it on TV recently but they described the SNP as a movement rather than a political party and it does feel like that up here now. Disagreeing with some members of the movement about anything the SNP has done/proposed can sometimes feel like a risky thing to do. It is hard to see their level of activity decreasing before the 2016 election and onwards to what feels like the inevitable indyref II in 2019...
@iainmartin1: Twitter full of desperate Nats saying Sturgeon won debate. It's that cult thing again. Even when leader loses, claim victory. Creepy.
Can't remember who said it on TV recently but they described the SNP as a movement rather than a political party and it does feel like that up here now. Disagreeing with some members of the movement about anything the SNP has done/proposed can sometimes feel like a risky thing to do. It is hard to see their level of activity decreasing before the 2016 election and onwards to what feels like the inevitable indyref II in 2019...
The Spectator had a blog on the SNP conference which reached a similar conclusion.
Yes but Ed is Crap remember add that to the January crossover and the February pulling away, add in the RC swingback and the Tory majority is nailed on. DYOR!!!!
Still think Tories are heavy favourites, but they're going to have to come up with something atleast a bit more positive than saying "Ed is crap" everyday. It doesn't contrast well with Labour actually putting forward new ideas and positive proposals (regardless of whether people think they're good or not).
I don't know why the Tories are favourites. To the extent I've followed the election (to be frank, hardly at all as too busy with other matters), the Tories seem to be half asleep, EdM is not as bad as everyone (not me) thought he would be and the Lib Dems are nowhere. It rather feels as if the most interesting stuff is happening in Scotland.
Yes but Ed is Crap remember add that to the January crossover and the February pulling away, add in the RC swingback and the Tory majority is nailed on. DYOR!!!!
http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/labour-would-abolish-non-dom-tax-status "a spokesman for Ed. Milliband said 'UK citizens should pay tax on all gains, anywhere in the world'". Which if correct means it wouldn't apply to the likes of Lakshmi Mittal as he is not a British citizen, and presumably wouldn't bother to become one either.
Hold on...isn't that the issue with most non-doms that live here? The opposite way around i.e they don't live here, could they just not give up their British Citizenship?
And that isn't what the headlines infers.
Making UK citizens pay tax on all their worldwide earnings is very similar to the rule for US citizens. But remember that there are double taxation treaties in place so to the extent that tax has already been paid in, say , Italy, the amount of additional tax due in the UK may be zero or negligible.
Tax residency and tax domicile are complicated concepts. I don't know how easy it would be to change these but broadly I agree that people living In the UK should pay tax here. But I think that the number of non-doms living here is not so large that taxing them - on what precisely? - will raise huge amounts. It's all about the mood music and on that may be successful.
Anyone thinking that ordinary people won't be taxed, taxed and taxed some more if Labour form the government needs their head examined. Labour are being utterly dishonest in pretending that all their spending will be paid for by taxes on bankers, non-doms and mansions.
It will be Mr and Mrs Average, their savings, pension and no 32 Acacia Avenue who will pay, as they always do.
Its the dishonesty that gets me. There is a case (a LD one) that we have to raise taxes in order to fund publicservices, but Labour does not make that case. It wants to increase spending, but finance it by borrowing from our children rather than honest taxes on hard working ordinary people. Just fundamentally dishonest.
Seeing Blair on telly today was like seeing a zombie at the window clawing to try to get through. I fell for him 20 years ago, and joined the party, but left a decade ago as he lied to start wars and privatised parts of the NHS. Soon we will see Brown, that other zombie, trying to claw his way in to eat our brains.
It will be Mr and Mrs Average, their savings, pension and no 32 Acacia Avenue who will pay, as they always do.
Of course it is, but dave and co. are nowhere near aggressive enough in saying this. The contrast with Davidson couldn;t be starker.
Where is the fury at labour's hypocrisy and lies? Where is the pride at the economic achievements? where are the dire warnings of what will happen under labour?
Non existent.
Why? because this is always the problem with 'progressive' tories. In their heart of hearts, they think labour might be right.
Iain Martin! God preserve us. The man who buried the Hootsman as Andrew Neils wee boy. I now realise that your views are not your fault but those of the company you keep on line.
The only survey of the results debate confirms my view of Nicola as a clear winner. I thought Murphy should ahve been fourth. He was rated second. I would ask for a recount if I were Davidson because she was a good second in my opinion. I accept that Rennie could have been fourth.
However it should be the NATS who are smiling and it does not matter a jot what the Torygraph or Iain bloody Martin says.
@iainmartin1: Twitter full of desperate Nats saying Sturgeon won debate. It's that cult thing again. Even when leader loses, claim victory. Creepy.
Can't remember who said it on TV recently but they described the SNP as a movement rather than a political party and it does feel like that up here now. Disagreeing with some members of the movement about anything the SNP has done/proposed can sometimes feel like a risky thing to do. It is hard to see their level of activity decreasing before the 2016 election and onwards to what feels like the inevitable indyref II in 2019...
By which time hopefully Scotland will have grown some bollocks and demonstrate it's not just all mouth and no trousers and actually vote for independence, so that we English have to suffer its posturing and politics no more.
Tommy Ball @tommy_ball 15 mins15 minutes ago Michael Gove on #Newsnight: "in a Scottish Labour/SNP marginal seat, I ask you to vote Scottish Labour, who believe in the United Kingdom".
@iainmartin1: Twitter full of desperate Nats saying Sturgeon won debate. It's that cult thing again. Even when leader loses, claim victory. Creepy.
Can't remember who said it on TV recently but they described the SNP as a movement rather than a political party and it does feel like that up here now. Disagreeing with some members of the movement about anything the SNP has done/proposed can sometimes feel like a risky thing to do. It is hard to see their level of activity decreasing before the 2016 election and onwards to what feels like the inevitable indyref II in 2019...
By which time hopefully Scotland will have grown some bollocks and demonstrate it's not just all mouth and no trousers and actually vote for independence, so that we English have to suffer its posturing and politics no more.
Yours, Evil Southern England
Absolutely! I can't see how sturgeon telling the world on live tv that she will put milliband in Downing street will help labours vote in England. If it happens it will be a disaster for the uk as the money tree will have disappeared but at least it will be funny.
Because the polls aren't moving and the Tories apparently have nothing to say on anything (other than Ed's crap)
Actually, the Tory campaign so far has been so utterly dismal that you'd struggle to guess there IS an election campaign going on...
On the basis of today's polls Cameron will get the sack in a months time... Cameron and Osborne = Total waste of space!
Look back at the threads at the end of last week. The consensus was that the Tory campaign had got off to a great start. Milliband has been hiding all weekend.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credible reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
The only plus is that we'll have an entertaining five years watching Labour go into meltdown across the nation and we might, just might get a majority Tory government in 2020.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Tykejohnno Don't know where those results are coming from, but Murphy on 36% is still higher than all recent Labour polls, a Sturgeon win would be as expected
@iainmartin1: Twitter full of desperate Nats saying Sturgeon won debate. It's that cult thing again. Even when leader loses, claim victory. Creepy.
Can't remember who said it on TV recently but they described the SNP as a movement rather than a political party and it does feel like that up here now. Disagreeing with some members of the movement about anything the SNP has done/proposed can sometimes feel like a risky thing to do. It is hard to see their level of activity decreasing before the 2016 election and onwards to what feels like the inevitable indyref II in 2019...
By which time hopefully Scotland will have grown some bollocks and demonstrate it's not just all mouth and no trousers and actually vote for independence, so that we English have to suffer its posturing and politics no more.
Yours, Evil Southern England
Maybe if you got off your own lardy arses, searched for your own bollocks and did something about it yourselves?
Tykejohnno Don't know where those results are coming from, but Murphy on 36% is still higher than all recent Labour polls, a Sturgeon win would be as expected
The Davidson score is too low - there is no way she would have only 50% of Scottish Conservatives saying she was the winner.
Conservatives would be looking in better shape if Ruth Davidson was leader I tell ye !
You reckon? They don't seem to have progressed much under her in Scotland. They got 16.7% in 2010 and are polling about that, or a touch lower, now. Perhaps she'd appeal more to a non-Scottish audience, but I don't really see why.
Have the Tories actually made a policy announcement yet? I know there was something about GP opening hours last week but has there been anything since?
@iainmartin1: Twitter full of desperate Nats saying Sturgeon won debate. It's that cult thing again. Even when leader loses, claim victory. Creepy.
Can't remember who said it on TV recently but they described the SNP as a movement rather than a political party and it does feel like that up here now. Disagreeing with some members of the movement about anything the SNP has done/proposed can sometimes feel like a risky thing to do. It is hard to see their level of activity decreasing before the 2016 election and onwards to what feels like the inevitable indyref II in 2019...
2018 would be better. Demographics predict a win by then without any more campaigning.
@iainmartin1: Twitter full of desperate Nats saying Sturgeon won debate. It's that cult thing again. Even when leader loses, claim victory. Creepy.
Can't remember who said it on TV recently but they described the SNP as a movement rather than a political party and it does feel like that up here now. Disagreeing with some members of the movement about anything the SNP has done/proposed can sometimes feel like a risky thing to do. It is hard to see their level of activity decreasing before the 2016 election and onwards to what feels like the inevitable indyref II in 2019...
By which time hopefully Scotland will have grown some bollocks and demonstrate it's not just all mouth and no trousers and actually vote for independence, soWe e English have to suffer its posturing and politics no more.
Yours, Evil Southern England
Maybe if you got off your own lardy arses, searched for your own bollocks and did something about it yourselves?
No, didn't think so.
Not our job to end a Union we were happy with. Would be nice now that the Union is on its way out to have an English Nationalist party and an English parliament. I'm sure both will follow in due course if Labour seek to govern England with SNP support having come second in terms votes in England.
Conservatives would be looking in better shape if Ruth Davidson was leader I tell ye !
You reckon? They don't seem to have progressed much under her in Scotland. They got 16.7% in 2010 and are polling about that, or a touch lower, now. Perhaps she'd appeal more to a non-Scottish audience, but I don't really see why.
To hold onto 16.7% will be an achievement in itself come the GE in the face of the SNP tsunami and tactical pressures of SLAB.
*Shrug* I think she's decent anyway.
I can't figure out the 8% for her rating though - I can't seriously believe Scottish Conservatives would have had either Murphy or Sturgeon winning the debate.
Let me try to be as dispassionate about this as I can.
The trouble with polticos/men is that they don't stop for a second to consider just how obnoxious Murphy comes across to non polticos/women.
Yes I accept that I now only come into one of of the categories and I know that many men will find Murphy just as obnoxious. However, I bet that there is a hige gender preference for Nicola among women who watched the debate and would be totally turned off by Murphy's manner - not to mention his apalling shoes!
I also still think that Davidson was a clear second.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Iain Martin! God preserve us. The man who buried the Hootsman as Andrew Neils wee boy. I now realise that your views are not your fault but those of the company you keep on line.
The only survey of the results debate confirms my view of Nicola as a clear winner. I thought Murphy should ahve been fourth. He was rated second. I would ask for a recount if I were Davidson because she was a good second in my opinion. I accept that Rennie could have been fourth.
However it should be the NATS who are smiling and it does not matter a jot what the Torygraph or Iain bloody Martin says.
Oh so that's who Iain Martin in. A failed hack trying to syndicate articles no-one wants to pay for because he can't get a job.
Makes a lot of sense why all the numpties love to quote his articles no-one reads.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
Indeed.
Not sure why we expected anything else though, given how dismal the Conservatives 2010 campaign was...
So far, this campaign has actually been worse than 2010 because at least in 2010 the Conservatives had a few interesting idea's even if nobody really knew what the hell they was talking about (Big Society?)
Compere to 2015 when they apparently have nothing to say or to offer at all!
The Mail has an interesting story that labour are going to 'renationalise' all academies (and presumably, free schools, too).
Heads at leading academies are panicking.
Labour are socialist. Miliband is excessively so. So should there be a surprise that they want to centralise control of education and destroy what it stands for at the same time?
Yes but Ed is Crap remember add that to the January crossover and the February pulling away, add in the RC swingback and the Tory majority is nailed on. DYOR!!!!
I thought it was nov 2014 crossover ;-)
Those goalpost have been carried longer than that. I remember the sun on Basils back in the Spring of 2014, when the first predictions where made of the Holy PB Hodge Crossover and then moved along a few months.....little did we know then, that Basil would have a full time job.
HYUFD: As I said before I agree with you the opinion polls would need to show a likely yes result but they keep inching in that direction. If the SNP are not part of the next UK government then more people in Scotland will feel like that they are not being represented and the yes vote will increase.
The possible EU referendum is the wildcard here. If the UK votes to leave then an indyref will have different issues like Scotland's place in Europe, the possibility of the Euro and immigration policies being more prevalent than last time. In some ways it makes it harder for the SNP since membership of the EU would be less automatic and also it would be on much less favourable terms with all the UK opt-outs gone etc. I don't think that the UK leaving the EU would necessarily trigger an indyref unless there is a clear majority of Scots who vote to stay in. Otherwise it might actually strengthen the unionists if they feel a bit more solidarity with their southern neighbours. However I would guess that Scotland would vote to stay in the EU at the moment.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
Lets hope this non dom policy hasn't put another couple of points on labour in the polls ;-)
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
Indeed.
Not sure why we expected anything else though, given how dismal the Conservatives 2010 campaign was...
So far, this campaign has actually been worse than 2010 because at least in 2010 the Conservatives had a few interesting idea's even if nobody really knew what the hell they was talking about (Big Society?)
Compere to 2015 when they apparently have nothing to say or to offer at all!
What are you talking about? Cameron keeps offering his Long Term Plan to us, surely that will turn the tide?
Saltire Not really the latest 47% yes with yougov is about 5 points less than yougov had yes 2 weeks before indyref. After the election the Smith proposals will be legislated for regardless of who is in government and most SNP voters want those increased powers, not for the SNP to run the UK government. On the EU of course some polls have shown a majority of SNP voters want to leave, and it is equally possible Scotland could keep the UK in the EU on a tight vote
numerous 2010 Tory voters saying they really weren't sure if they'd vote this time,
That's what happens when you knock on polite people's doors.
The less polite just tell you to piss off because they don't mind being rude.
Pretty well everyone is polite in my patch and always has been (I've never been told to piss off!), but I've been doing this stuff for 45 years and it's really possible to tell the difference between lack of enthusiasm and polite restraint.
If you're in doubt that I'm quoting accurately, read the comments by Conservatives on this thread, which are more scathing than anything that I reported.
However, I gather we're about to hear about a Tory IHT tax cut, or something?
If the Tories were a really smart political party and thought about their long term and not internecine fighting, they would invite Ruth Davidson to Kensington.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
It's because the polls aren't shifting... A week ago you could give the Tories the benefit of the doubt but the clock is ticking and there's absolutely no sign of opinion swinging to the Tories...
Actually quite the opposite. In today's polls there's a swing to Labour.
Don't know enough about the current situation - but it seems like it could hit a lot of people and drive wealth creators away from the UK
the tories should be screaming at anybody who works in the private sector. If Ed gets in, you're f8cked, sunshine.
That job you got, or your son or daughter got, or that part time or self employed work you enjoy.
See ya.
The problem is, someone who stacks shelves at Tesco or works as a receptionist at a local branch of a big multinational (technically working in "the private sector") do not see themselves as having anything in common with super-rich fat cats.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
Lets hope this non dom policy hasn't put another couple of points on labour in the polls ;-)
If it was such a great policy it would have been done before. The bbc are reporting that it will apply to the Chelsea owner whereas my reading of it is that it will not as he is not a British citizen. It will unravel.
KentRising There already is one, it is called the English Democrats
Ha, they are not viable. I suspect any future English Nationalist party of note has yet to be formed, it would be formed in response to the SNP being a big factor in a UK government. EV4EL solidified into a movement of its own, promising a referendum on independence from Scotland.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
It's because the polls aren't shifting... A week ago you could give the Tories the benefit of the doubt but the clock is ticking and there's absolutely no sign of opinion swinging to the Tories...
Actually quite the opposite. In today's polls there's a swing to Labour.
PB called the UK debate for Clegg and the Scottish debate for Davidson - My conclusion is that whoever goes hardest against the centre-left candidate gets the PB vote, but only about 10 per cent of the relevant electorate agrees.
Have the Tories actually made a policy announcement yet? I know there was something about GP opening hours last week but has there been anything since?
No one seems to have produced a manifesto yet. Lets face it there is a month to go. Meanwhile, Miliband threatening to drive even more inward investment and tax revenues away by his apparent proposal to abolish non doms must be being cheered by every other country in Europe if not even wider.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
Lets hope this non dom policy hasn't put another couple of points on labour in the polls ;-)
If it was such a great policy it would have been done before. The bbc are reporting that it will apply to the Chelsea owner whereas my reading of it is that it will not as he is not a British citizen. It will unravel.
Well don't count on the bbc to unravel it,this is the sort of policy they love and coming from the party they favour.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
It's because the polls aren't shifting... A week ago you could give the Tories the benefit of the doubt but the clock is ticking and there's absolutely no sign of opinion swinging to the Tories...
Actually quite the opposite. In today's polls there's a swing to Labour.
Two you gov polls ago they were on 37%
Looks like that was a serious outlier...
We do need some evidence from the phone pollsters though. It's frustrating that we're getting so little from ICM at the moment.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
It's because the polls aren't shifting... A week ago you could give the Tories the benefit of the doubt but the clock is ticking and there's absolutely no sign of opinion swinging to the Tories...
Actually quite the opposite. In today's polls there's a swing to Labour.
Two you gov polls ago they were on 37%
Looks like that was a serious outlier...
We do need some evidence from the phone pollsters though. It's frustrating that we're getting so little from ICM at the moment.
Your expecting a manifesto with ideas and proposals for the next five years?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!
Labour are dominating the news agenda with the help of their chums at bbc and sky but where are the Tory attack dogs. The Tory response is noticeable by its silence. What game are they playing. Where are the heavy hitters?
To be fair, Cameron is 100% a counterpuncher by instinct. He positively likes it when the other guy gets his dig in first, and always does his best when he absolutely has to.
His intervention in the scotland referendum was, in political terms, at the eleventh hour.
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
Lets hope this non dom policy hasn't put another couple of points on labour in the polls ;-)
If it was such a great policy it would have been done before. The bbc are reporting that it will apply to the Chelsea owner whereas my reading of it is that it will not as he is not a British citizen. It will unravel.
Well don't count on the bbc to unravel it,this is the sort of policy they love and coming from the party they favour.
It's up to the tories to unravel it.
The problem for the Tories is, even if they rationally unravel this they will sound on the side of the non-doms, just like when they went to EU court over bankers bonuses cap being imposed by EU or that price freeze on energy prices are not as simple as wand waving.
But no party has put out any real policies of substance that hold water yet, so instead I am left to reading on the BBC about Cameron's Thug Life and Miliband Gangsta Rap being huge on twitter / LAD bible.
Because the polls aren't moving and the Tories apparently have nothing to say on anything (other than Ed's crap)
Actually, the Tory campaign so far has been so utterly dismal that you'd struggle to guess there IS an election campaign going on...
On the basis of today's polls Cameron will get the sack in a months time... Cameron and Osborne = Total waste of space!
Look back at the threads at the end of last week. The consensus was that the Tory campaign had got off to a great start. Milliband has been hiding all weekend.
Thats right and 38 was under attack at the time but now we see that the bulge in the line has been pinched off. Its still stalemate on the Election Front.
Labour are dominating the news agenda with the help of their chums at bbc and sky but where are the Tory attack dogs. The Tory response is noticeable by its silence. What game are they playing. Where are the heavy hitters?
Lintons general strategy seems to be for the Tories to say and do as little as possible and let everyone else dominate the agenda....
The Tory strategy hasn't made much sense to me for months, but there we go...
Wednesday's Times front page: Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
Looks increasingly certain that we're going to have to suffer five years of extreme, left-wing, ideological socialism backed up by the English hating SNP.
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credibly reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
So zero inflation and record employment are not reasons?
Labours getting all the headlines on new policies or attacking the tories,tories not responding to it.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
On Saturday Ogh had a thread on here about labours cack handed campaigning and lots of the comments were about how strongly the Tories had started. I do now find it odd that just 3 days later labour are apparently having a glorious campaign and the Tories are hopeless
Lets hope this non dom policy hasn't put another couple of points on labour in the polls ;-)
If it was such a great policy it would have been done before. The bbc are reporting that it will apply to the Chelsea owner whereas my reading of it is that it will not as he is not a British citizen. It will unravel.
Well don't count on the bbc to unravel it,this is the sort of policy they love and coming from the party they favour.
It's up to the tories to unravel it.
The problem for the Tories is, even if they rationally unravel this they will sound on the side of the non-doms, just like when they went to EU court over bankers bonuses cap being imposed by EU or that price freeze on energy prices are not as simple as wand waving.
Yep,if they do try to unravel it,it's got be a killer unrevellling,that puts labour on the back foot on the policy.
Labour are dominating the news agenda with the help of their chums at bbc and sky but where are the Tory attack dogs. The Tory response is noticeable by its silence. What game are they playing. Where are the heavy hitters?
I don't think the Tories have anybody these days. We have 5 years of near "radio silence". I have noted this before, where as Labour will send out the likes of John Mann to scream evil Tories baby eating scum day in day out, the Tories basically put up a minister to announce something, they do the media for the day and off their trot.
Instead, we are either left with the likes of Louise "Mrs self-importance live from NYC" Mensch or some Tory who plays way too nicely and gives people the benefit of the doubt. Back in Thatcher days, Tories used to have people that didn't take any crap from anybody e.g. Tebbit.
I don't think the Tories have ever adjusted to the 24-hours news cycle, let alone twitter etc. Just look at all the "on-message" tweeting for the red team during the debates, and virtually nothing from the blue team.
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Not that it will matter as Ed gets the headlines he wants and the BBC will get super excited and scream ASSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHCROFT all day. Job done.
Number went up after that
Ruth Davidson on 8% O______________________o ?!
How about jobs, interest rates, inflation, taxes on ordinary people...
I am not surprised by the sainted Nicola - she looks and sounds the best.
I am only surprised by the poor result for Davidson. I thought she was a clear second. However the Tories are toxic.
I like the SNP but we all know who won tonights debate and it wasn't our Nicola.
Cameron looking like a loser...
Tax residency and tax domicile are complicated concepts. I don't know how easy it would be to change these but broadly I agree that people living In the UK should pay tax here. But I think that the number of non-doms living here is not so large that taxing them - on what precisely? - will raise huge amounts. It's all about the mood music and on that may be successful.
Anyone thinking that ordinary people won't be taxed, taxed and taxed some more if Labour form the government needs their head examined. Labour are being utterly dishonest in pretending that all their spending will be paid for by taxes on bankers, non-doms and mansions.
It will be Mr and Mrs Average, their savings, pension and no 32 Acacia Avenue who will pay, as they always do.
It is hard to see their level of activity decreasing before the 2016 election and onwards to what feels like the inevitable indyref II in 2019...
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/04/ed-miliband-pledges-to-abolish-non-dom-tax-status/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
The Sunday Times Best Seller List
1)The Dream Shall Never Die; 100 Days That Changed Scotland Forever.
Salmond, Alex
£11.69£12.99
2) The Road Beneath My Feet.
Turner, Frank
£20.00
3) Reasons to Stay Alive.
Haig, Matt
£9.49£9.99
4) Landmarks.
Macfarlane, Robert
£16.00£20.00
5) Tom Jones - The Life.
Smith, Sean
£7.59£7.99
Just noticed this. This is the UK list. Seems all these attacks on Salmond are boosting his book sales!
Seeing Blair on telly today was like seeing a zombie at the window clawing to try to get through. I fell for him 20 years ago, and joined the party, but left a decade ago as he lied to start wars and privatised parts of the NHS. Soon we will see Brown, that other zombie, trying to claw his way in to eat our brains.
Of course it is, but dave and co. are nowhere near aggressive enough in saying this. The contrast with Davidson couldn;t be starker.
Where is the fury at labour's hypocrisy and lies? Where is the pride at the economic achievements? where are the dire warnings of what will happen under labour?
Non existent.
Why? because this is always the problem with 'progressive' tories. In their heart of hearts, they think labour might be right.
Iain Martin! God preserve us. The man who buried the Hootsman as Andrew Neils wee boy. I now realise that your views are not your fault but those of the company you keep on line.
The only survey of the results debate confirms my view of Nicola as a clear winner. I thought Murphy should ahve been fourth. He was rated second. I would ask for a recount if I were Davidson because she was a good second in my opinion. I accept that Rennie could have been fourth.
However it should be the NATS who are smiling and it does not matter a jot what the Torygraph or Iain bloody Martin says.
Yours,
Evil Southern England
Actually, the Tory campaign so far has been so utterly dismal that you'd struggle to guess there IS an election campaign going on...
On the basis of today's polls Cameron will get the sack in a months time... Cameron and Osborne = Total waste of space!
Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick
Wednesday's Times front page:
Miliband raids rich in purge of non-doms
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/MpeHgeDUTS
Brilliant headline for labour,job done.
100% correct. Utterly soft focus, Ooh what a wonderful husband, desperate not to offend anybody, patronising on the economy.
Totally and utterly dismal.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/video-watch-snp-candidate-mhairi-5113388
They say turkey's don't vote for Christmas but in the case of the English voter...
Then again with Cameron and Osborne giving people not one single credible reason for voting for them, is it any wonder we're about to suffer the most extreme left wing government in history?
The only plus is that we'll have an entertaining five years watching Labour go into meltdown across the nation and we might, just might get a majority Tory government in 2020.
What is wrong with this country?!
Not too late though - I still have hope!
GN
No, didn't think so.
Heads at leading academies are panicking.
*Shrug* I think she's decent anyway.
I can't figure out the 8% for her rating though - I can't seriously believe Scottish Conservatives would have had either Murphy or Sturgeon winning the debate.
The trouble with polticos/men is that they don't stop for a second to consider just how obnoxious Murphy comes across to non polticos/women.
Yes I accept that I now only come into one of of the categories and I know that many men will find Murphy just as obnoxious. However, I bet that there is a hige gender preference for Nicola among women who watched the debate and would be totally turned off by Murphy's manner - not to mention his apalling shoes!
I also still think that Davidson was a clear second.
I'll say it again,I've watched/listened to bbc/sky news output for the last 3/4 days,labour winning by a mile on coverage/message across and I thought it would start to hit the tories in the polls.
Even today on blair giving it large on the tories idea of a referendum wrong,cameron could have come out harder on blair (theys lots of thing to go on),what did we get,Mr Blairs wrong on this from Cameron.
Just pathetic.
Makes a lot of sense why all the numpties love to quote his articles no-one reads.
He's the Ian Smart of the right.
100% correct. tories are being smashed in, as they would say in rugby circles 'the contact area...'
Don't know enough about the current situation - but it seems like it could hit a lot of people and drive wealth creators away from the UK
Not sure why we expected anything else though, given how dismal the Conservatives 2010 campaign was...
So far, this campaign has actually been worse than 2010 because at least in 2010 the Conservatives had a few interesting idea's even if nobody really knew what the hell they was talking about (Big Society?)
Compere to 2015 when they apparently have nothing to say or to offer at all!
Dave is pumping out the same bloody message as Scottish Labour
Vote UKIP Get Miliband
Vote SNP Get Tories.
Pulpstar Agree we need to see the Scottish yougov figures later in the week to see the real impact
the tories should be screaming at anybody who works in the private sector. If Ed gets in, you're f8cked, sunshine.
That job you got, or your son or daughter got, or that part time or self employed work you enjoy.
See ya.
The possible EU referendum is the wildcard here. If the UK votes to leave then an indyref will have different issues like Scotland's place in Europe, the possibility of the Euro and immigration policies being more prevalent than last time. In some ways it makes it harder for the SNP since membership of the EU would be less automatic and also it would be on much less favourable terms with all the UK opt-outs gone etc.
I don't think that the UK leaving the EU would necessarily trigger an indyref unless there is a clear majority of Scots who vote to stay in. Otherwise it might actually strengthen the unionists if they feel a bit more solidarity with their southern neighbours. However I would guess that Scotland would vote to stay in the EU at the moment.
If you're in doubt that I'm quoting accurately, read the comments by Conservatives on this thread, which are more scathing than anything that I reported.
However, I gather we're about to hear about a Tory IHT tax cut, or something?
Tory stupidity and infighting is valuable.
Actually quite the opposite. In today's polls there's a swing to Labour.
LOLGove
It's a question of enough over 65s and enough turn 16.
Which is mid 2017.
Meanwhile, Miliband threatening to drive even more inward investment and tax revenues away by his apparent proposal to abolish non doms must be being cheered by every other country in Europe if not even wider.
It's up to the tories to unravel it.
We do need some evidence from the phone pollsters though. It's frustrating that we're getting so little from ICM at the moment.
Your expecting a manifesto with ideas and proposals for the next five years?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!
To be fair, Cameron is 100% a counterpuncher by instinct. He positively likes it when the other guy gets his dig in first, and always does his best when he absolutely has to.
His intervention in the scotland referendum was, in political terms, at the eleventh hour.
But no party has put out any real policies of substance that hold water yet, so instead I am left to reading on the BBC about Cameron's Thug Life and Miliband Gangsta Rap being huge on twitter / LAD bible.
Grown up serious debate over policies it is not.
The Tory strategy hasn't made much sense to me for months, but there we go...
Instead, we are either left with the likes of Louise "Mrs self-importance live from NYC" Mensch or some Tory who plays way too nicely and gives people the benefit of the doubt. Back in Thatcher days, Tories used to have people that didn't take any crap from anybody e.g. Tebbit.
I don't think the Tories have ever adjusted to the 24-hours news cycle, let alone twitter etc. Just look at all the "on-message" tweeting for the red team during the debates, and virtually nothing from the blue team.