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edited April 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tonight’s Scottish debate was superb – the question now is whether it will change votes

With what happens in Scotland likely to play a big part in the May 7th outcome the big event tonight was the STV Scottish leaders’ debate. It was powerful and passionate and on a totally different level from the sterile event last Thursday.

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk


    This is going to be interesting how he makes that legal and water tight.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk


    This is going to be interesting how he makes that legal and water tight.

    I don't see how it is going to be possible. Better to ramp up the annual fee.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    MaxPB said:

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk


    This is going to be interesting how he makes that legal and water tight.

    I don't see how it is going to be possible. Better to ramp up the annual fee.
    I would suggest it is a "trap", as Labour will do have they had with other things and challenge the Tories to also commit to this. Then when the Tories say we don't think it is possible, it will just be used to reinforce Tories for the rich tax dodgers.

    The feasibility is irrelevant.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,160
    No mention of Willie Rennie? I vaguely remember him being touted as the man the SNP fear.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Mike

    You are dreaming. Murphy was by far the worst of the performers - totally disliked by the audience, uselessly agressive and looks well just weird.

    I hope there is an assessment poll on the night so that our completely diverse opinions can be tested. However I would place a lot of money if a book was available on Murphy being judged fourth. I thought his performance near disastrous.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    SMukesh said:


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk

    That is massive.No wonder businessmen don`t like him.
    Got to say,labour have hit the news headlines for the last 3 or 4 days,on policy or putting the tories on the back foot.

    Tories need to respond.

    You mean they made the Guardian front page. Hardly a surprise...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Daily Mail have gone for a picture of Tony Blair that makes him look like Frankenstein's monster:

    @suttonnick: Wednesday's Daily Mail front page:
    Blair's toxic embrace
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
    #GE2015 http://t.co/9N7wNWwzjA
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    MaxPB said:

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk


    This is going to be interesting how he makes that legal and water tight.

    I don't see how it is going to be possible. Better to ramp up the annual fee.
    I would suggest it is a "trap", as Labour will do have they had with other things and challenge the Tories to also commit to this. Then when the Tories say we don't think it is possible, it will just be used to reinforce Tories for the rich tax dodgers.

    The feasibility is irrelevant.
    It's easy for the Tories though, "we will look at a rise in the non-dom fee".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    antifrank said:

    The Daily Mail have gone for a picture of Tony Blair that makes him look like Frankenstein's monster:

    @suttonnick: Wednesday's Daily Mail front page:
    Blair's toxic embrace
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
    #GE2015 http://t.co/9N7wNWwzjA

    Daily Mail impressed by Tony's return to the political fold :-)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,955
    Scotslass Really? One young woman in the audience said Murphy had convinced her to vote Labour
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32212940

    BBC: SNP will make Miliband PM.

    Tory bias, obviously.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    edited April 2015
    scotslass said:

    Mike

    You are dreaming. Murphy was by far the worst of the performers - totally disliked by the audience, uselessly agressive and looks well just weird.

    I hope there is an assessment poll on the night so that our completely diverse opinions can be tested. However I would place a lot of money if a book was available on Murphy being judged fourth. I thought his performance near disastrous.

    I'm not a fan of Murphy, but claiming he was disliked by the audience is just tosh. He did okay, not great but certainly as well as Sturgeon. Davidson performed well, but I doubt the Tories will benefit much.

    There were only three panelists right?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,955
    I see Cameron snuck into the debate in disguise
    https://twitter.com/EN_Somat/status/585550665130323969?lang=en-gb
  • jimmyczzjimmyczz Posts: 25
    agree with Scotlass, Jim Murphy was terrible. Over aggressive and talking drivel
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    MaxPB said:

    SMukesh said:


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk

    That is massive.No wonder businessmen don`t like him.

    The majority who pay their share, or the Labour supporting ones who contribute through tax efficient structures engineered by party advisers?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Why are the STV and BBC Scotland debates on consecutive nights?

    Seems odd when 4 weeks still to go to the GE.
  • dobbindobbin Posts: 28
    Debate seems to have been viewed as a tedious snoreathon across the spectrum of Scottish political opinion with some grudging praise for Ruth D. Probably few beyond PBish viewers will have endured the whole 2 hours. Moustache Man (?????Mr Smithson )the only highlight!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk


    This is going to be interesting how he makes that legal and water tight.

    So rich people won't come here to spend money ? Genius.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    jimmyczz said:

    agree with Scotlass, Jim Murphy was terrible. Over aggressive and talking drivel

    Oh I agree he talked drivel as always.
    Scotslass is wrong though, he was not disliked by the audience.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,160
    HYUFD said:

    I see Cameron snuck into the debate in disguise
    https://twitter.com/EN_Somat/status/585550665130323969?lang=en-gb

    It's an uncanny likeness (slightly smaller boobs I'd guess), but I think that pic's been around for months.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    YouGov coming - I fear a bad one.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @KennyFarq: Apparently Nicola wasn't booed - audience reaction to another indyref was groans of pleasure.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited April 2015
    you gov tonight ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Hell Yeah....

    More seriously, I am waiting for post Easter.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,955
    TUD Maybe, but a cracking lookalike
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    MaxPB said:

    SMukesh said:


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk

    That is massive.No wonder businessmen don`t like him.
    Got to say,labour have hit the news headlines for the last 3 or 4 days,on policy or putting the tories on the back foot.

    Tories need to respond.

    You mean they made the Guardian front page. Hardly a surprise...
    This story will be all over the bbc tomorrow,more good news for labour.



  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    LOL poll taken in Ed's house!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    HYUFD said:

    Scotslass Really? One young woman in the audience said Murphy had convinced her to vote Labour

    Planting is big business these days. There will be no shortage of cant either after the General Election.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Nil desperandum. All the Tories were on hols over the Easter break ;-)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Betfair says I'll win £1455 if there is a Labour Majority.

    That's worth about £30 right now :D
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,027
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Wednesday's Guardian front page:
    ‘We’ll end non-dom tax status’ - Miliband
    #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/oV5xi1nrqk


    This is going to be interesting how he makes that legal and water tight.

    I don't see how it is going to be possible. Better to ramp up the annual fee.
    I would suggest it is a "trap", as Labour will do have they had with other things and challenge the Tories to also commit to this. Then when the Tories say we don't think it is possible, it will just be used to reinforce Tories for the rich tax dodgers.

    The feasibility is irrelevant.
    It's easy for the Tories though, "we will look at a rise in the non-dom fee".
    They have increased the charge a couple of times already. But it is a complicated issue. The UK are almost unique in allowing it. It needs proper analysis.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    I'll wait until after the Blair Witch Project goes away.
    By the way that 35-33 is the same result as 2005.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights YG

    EICIPM

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
    Latest YouGov poll (06 - 07 Apr):
    LAB - 35% (+2)
    CON - 33% (-1)
    UKIP - 14% (+1)
    LDEM - 8% (-2)
    GRN - 5% (+1)
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Im going to call Peak UKIP.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Porn for Beancounters, and obsessive politicians.

    What about the Outcomes?
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Ed to abolish non dom status! Get in!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    On topic, Ruth Davidson is superb. I wouldn't mind her as UK Tory leader.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    One thing you can say about Labour, its a policy a day that makes headlines. They are nonsense / terribly flawed, but they keep firing to keep the music going.

    The Tories policies so far so minor like porn age verification I think most people had forgotten an hour after it was announced.

    And the Lib Dems, tumbleweed....
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Pretty meaningless bank holiday churn going on.

    Will be int to see if Bliar's intervention backfires as much as the Red Tops suggest it will. If so, has Blair deliberately shafted Miliband? Sadly he's not that humble. He genuinely believes the guff he spouts.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    ps looking fwd to some post hols phone polls
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: Want to know who won tonight's STV debate? The Times will have post debates YouGov Scotland VI poll Thursday 10pm here / in Friday's Times
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Non-dom isn't hte tax hit the UK needs.
    Ex-Pat is the tax hit needed.

    Any UK citizen should be required to declare tax in the UK (net of any tax paid in their residency). Just like the US does.

    Have fun living in Monaco or working in Dubai. But while you're a British Citizen and your family get UK Health and Education and other services, you pay full UK tax.

    £20bn a year easy.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    On topic, Ruth Davidson is superb. I wouldn't mind her as UK Tory leader.

    Same here,she's a leader that can think on her feet,more you could say for rest of them.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    On topic, Ruth Davidson is superb. I wouldn't mind her as UK Tory leader.

    I can see the appeal of the Glasgow gritty politician, however she will have to win a seat first.
    In 2010 she almost lost her deposit.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Nil desperandum. All the Tories were on hols over the Easter break ;-)
    Let's hope they aren't all on holiday on 7th May.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    edited April 2015
    Labour still getting leads and therefore still at worst on parity with the Tories or only just behind. Therefore still on course for a win, and just a question of how good a win. The Tories seem able to eke their share upwards, but just cannot overtake Labour consistently or maintain a sizable enough lead.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited April 2015

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,955
    edited April 2015
    Pulpstar Interesting comment on newsnight from 2 Scottish Labour voters 'Scottish Labour man has passion, Ed Miliband looks defeatist'
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Very disappointing polls today for Con.

    Having said that, there have been big outlier polls over Easter / Bank holidays in the past - and neither Populus or YouGov show anything dramatic. Just one more Con voter and Populus would have only been a 1% Lab lead.

    But even so, Con really need better polls over the next 7 days.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Want to know who won tonight's STV debate? The Times will have post debates YouGov Scotland VI poll Thursday 10pm here / in Friday's Times

    So we have to wait till Thursday night to find out what the state of things are in scotland after the debate?
    Over here we had to wait half an hour tops to get 3 post debate polls.
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    It wasn't a superb debate. It doesn't compare to debates of the past involving the likes of Steel, Rifkin, Salmond and John Smith.

    It wont make any difference to voting intentions.

    Davidson was the best on the night. Murphy needed to do more but then the BBCs anointed one was never going to cut it. SLAB just doesn't have the talent to put up in a debate in Scotland.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Scott P

    Anyone who has to cite the KennyFarq is getting almost as desperate as Jim Murphy.

    The only person booed was Murphy when he refused to answer the question on voting against the Tories - an exchange worth watching by the way.

    But the way to judge a debate in the absence of polls - which unfortunately don't seem to be available - is by audience applause at the end.

    On that basis there was only one winner tonight and it was not Mr Murphy who was a clear fourth.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Porn for Beancounters, and obsessive politicians.

    What about the Outcomes?
    You think outcomes improve if you are longer in A&E,wait longer for treatment and are diagnosed with Cancer but not treated as soon.

    Good luck with that arguement.

    Give it up the Tories have lost the NHS argument from the day Lansley reforms were implemented
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Peteonone: When racist nationalism is confused with patriotism. Welcome2 @NicolaSturgeon's progressive Scotland http://t.co/DNoVCJ4uoN #scotlanddebates
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    MikeL said:

    Very disappointing polls today for Con.

    Having said that, there have been big outlier polls over Easter / Bank holidays in the past - and neither Populus or YouGov show anything dramatic. Just one more Con voter and Populus would have only been a 1% Lab lead.

    But even so, Con really need better polls over the next 7 days.

    Perhaps Cameron can try a couple more photos with kittens instead!
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    I wonder how long it will be till the "I was undecided but now i'm 100% Labour" girl is outed as a Labour hack.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    scotslass said:

    The only person booed was Murphy

    @BBCNews: Telegraph (Scotland): "Sturgeon jeered over threat of new vote on separation" http://t.co/g3HVOem90f (via @suttonnick) #BBCPapers
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    We've had some fruitcakes on this site but I don't think we've ever had anyone as evangelical and cultish as the SNP supporters. I hope they don't get themselves castrated and follow Hale- Bopp
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    JohnO said:

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
    I am,but come on mr O,Prime minister Miliband - lol

    But I also think we will go backwards under a labour Government.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    dobbin said:

    Debate seems to have been viewed as a tedious snoreathon across the spectrum of Scottish political opinion with some grudging praise for Ruth D. Probably few beyond PBish viewers will have endured the whole 2 hours. Moustache Man (?????Mr Smithson )the only highlight!

    Scottish commentators seem to see it as a fairly regular trading of punches. Westminster commentators seem to see a "awesome debate". Says what needs to be said about Westminster politics.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291

    JohnO said:

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
    I am,but come on mr O,Prime minister Miliband - lol

    But I also think we will go backwards under a labour Government.
    Yes, PM Miliband, and very much so, and courtesy of you kippers. Hey ho.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,955
    SMukesh Probably more a case of rich Tories on short breaks in Paris and NY, the Canaries, and the Med over the bank holiday weekend than anything significant
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    I see Cameron snuck into the debate in disguise
    https://twitter.com/EN_Somat/status/585550665130323969?lang=en-gb

    This is from the ITV Debate last week (or Question Time). It was certainly tweeted long before tonight.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    MikeL said:

    Very disappointing polls today for Con.

    Having said that, there have been big outlier polls over Easter / Bank holidays in the past - and neither Populus or YouGov show anything dramatic. Just one more Con voter and Populus would have only been a 1% Lab lead.

    But even so, Con really need better polls over the next 7 days.

    Mike,

    The online polls are generally favourable to LAB.

    I was on the knock yesterday in North London - a through and through Labour area - a quarter of respondents had people in the house on holiday. It's Easter, It's half term.

    Normality starts next week.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
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  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Hmm polls are zooming in again, 3 out of 4 most recent polls have Labour 2% ahead:
    Yougov has a 2% LAB lead, Populus has a 2% LAB lead, Survation has a 2% LAB lead.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
    Have you found out how much your Trusts finances have deteriorated yet?

    You think the 27% rise in Agency is down to lifestyle choice not money though don;t you?

    Why do you think your Trust and 80% of Acutes are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Or are you an empty vessel in respect of explaining this.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Scot P

    Yes of course the Daily Telegraph - that bastion of journalism. Get a grip. The audience were on Murphy's back on the one debate that matters. Will Labour work with the SNP. Murphy prevaricated and the audience forced him to answer.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    I've been hearing that from Conservative supporters since October. After the conference... By Christmas.. In January... In February.. Due in March... Once the campaign starts..

    Now, it's due *from* Monday 13th April. Less than 4 weeks before polling day, and when some people will already have started receiving their ballot papers.

    I don't doubt the Tories will pull ahead on votes on the day, but they've totally failed to win the values and brand argument with Labour. That will cost us all very, very heavily.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Double reverse cowgirl ?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
    I am,but come on mr O,Prime minister Miliband - lol

    But I also think we will go backwards under a labour Government.
    Yes, PM Miliband, and very much so, and courtesy of you kippers. Hey ho.
    My vote won't count,bradford west,it's ever labour or respect.

    20 years ago,tories might have had a chance for this seat.

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    HYUFD said:

    SMukesh Probably more a case of rich Tories on short breaks in Paris and NY, the Canaries, and the Med over the bank holiday weekend than anything significant

    Ofcourse one has to have fun while it lasts!:-)
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    STV studio assessment - the women have it. Obviously I agree. Certainly the Murphy was fourth followed by Rennie who was attacked on the coalition record for his prevarications.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair says I'll win £1455 if there is a Labour Majority.

    That's worth about £30 right now :D

    Yeah but how much will you lose in SNP seat bets if that happens
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    chestnut said:

    MikeL said:

    Very disappointing polls today for Con.

    Having said that, there have been big outlier polls over Easter / Bank holidays in the past - and neither Populus or YouGov show anything dramatic. Just one more Con voter and Populus would have only been a 1% Lab lead.

    But even so, Con really need better polls over the next 7 days.

    Mike,

    The online polls are generally favourable to LAB.

    I was on the knock yesterday in North London - a through and through Labour area - a quarter of respondents had people in the house on holiday. It's Easter, It's half term.

    Normality starts next week.

    Are you a London Tory canvasser?A couple of questions:

    1)Do you have a massive war chest as claimed.

    2)Are you struggling with the number of volunteers as compared to previous elections?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Porn for Beancounters, and obsessive politicians.

    What about the Outcomes?
    You think outcomes improve if you are longer in A&E,wait longer for treatment and are diagnosed with Cancer but not treated as soon.

    Good luck with that arguement.

    Give it up the Tories have lost the NHS argument from the day Lansley reforms were implemented
    A 5 hour wait and the problem solved, or a quick shovelling out after 2 hours to tick a box. I know which I'd prefer.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Speedy said:

    Hmm polls are zooming in again, 3 out of 4 most recent polls have Labour 2% ahead:
    Yougov has a 2% LAB lead, Populus has a 2% LAB lead, Survation has a 2% LAB lead.

    Online, self selection polls.

    What's half a voodoo?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    edited April 2015
    Speedy

    "I'll wait until after the Blair Witch Project goes away."

    There's no downside for Labour with Blair's intervention (unless of course the Hague police turn up). He was very good and reminded me quite how mediocre and feeble Cameron is next to someone impressive
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    I've been hearing that from Conservative supporters since October. After the conference... By Christmas.. In January... In February.. Due in March... Once the campaign starts..

    Now, it's due *from* Monday 13th April. Less than 4 weeks before polling day, and when some people will already have started receiving their ballot papers.

    I don't doubt the Tories will pull ahead on votes on the day, but they've totally failed to win the values and brand argument with Labour. That will cost us all very, very heavily.
    Wish we still had the like button.

  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    I've been hearing that from Conservative supporters since October. After the conference... By Christmas.. In January... In February.. Due in March... Once the campaign starts..

    Now, it's due *from* Monday 13th April. Less than 4 weeks before polling day, and when some people will already have started receiving their ballot papers.

    I don't doubt the Tories will pull ahead on votes on the day, but they've totally failed to win the values and brand argument with Labour. That will cost us all very, very heavily.
    I love your doom and gloom Casino. It mirrors exactly what I feel about Labour. I doubt both of us can be right.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    I've been hearing that from Conservative supporters since October. After the conference... By Christmas.. In January... In February.. Due in March... Once the campaign starts..

    Now, it's due *from* Monday 13th April. Less than 4 weeks before polling day, and when some people will already have started receiving their ballot papers.
    Quite. I find the continued confidence of some Tories, and the lack of confidence from Labour supporters, pretty baffling, although at least the Labour supporters have dire polling in Scotland to fuel their pessimism. Tory optimism seems based entirely on what it seems should happen if things were only fair, ignoring that while late shifts can indeed happen, this is getting pretty darn late, and even the things that were supposed to cause a late shift (people actually seeing Ed M) do not appear to have had an impact.

    I will not mind looking a fool for saying the Tories have almost no chance if I am proven wrong, as of the options I would prefer a Cameron premiership, but the 'just you wait' argument is starting to run out of steam I think.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    On topic, Ruth Davidson is superb. I wouldn't mind her as UK Tory leader.

    Same here,she's a leader that can think on her feet,more you could say for rest of them.

    I'm still not sure the Tory Shires are ready for a gay PM.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
    Have you found out how much your Trusts finances have deteriorated yet?

    You think the 27% rise in Agency is down to lifestyle choice not money though don;t you?

    Why do you think your Trust and 80% of Acutes are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Or are you an empty vessel in respect of explaining this.
    How is Labour going to sort out the Acute Trusts finances?

    How is Labour going to meet the 4 hr target with attendences going up each year?

    How is Labour going to spend the BCT fund?

    How is Labour going to meet the cancer target?

    How is Labour going to reduce the number of agency staff?

    No answers... just a running down of hard working NHS staff by BJO.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    With another debate tomorrow it will interesting if anything stated tonight is analysed and then attacked tomorrow.
    I think that Sturgeon will be glad that she will have support of the Greens and the comedy act of Colburn to take away some of the focus of the attacks from the other 3 parties.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    I've been hearing that from Conservative supporters since October. After the conference... By Christmas.. In January... In February.. Due in March... Once the campaign starts..

    Now, it's due *from* Monday 13th April. Less than 4 weeks before polling day, and when some people will already have started receiving their ballot papers.

    I don't doubt the Tories will pull ahead on votes on the day, but they've totally failed to win the values and brand argument with Labour. That will cost us all very, very heavily.
    Don't despair many more twists and turns yet.

    Still think Lab most seats at greater than 3.0 in a coin toss is good though
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    Dair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair says I'll win £1455 if there is a Labour Majority.

    That's worth about £30 right now :D

    Yeah but how much will you lose in SNP seat bets if that happens
    Depends if Cumbernauld, Kilsyth Kirkintilloch drops. Check your inbox.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited April 2015
    Tonight I have cut open the belly of a chicken fresh from the farm, scattered it's entrails on my special pagan alter and looked into the political future. Except for the bright purple hilltops and enclaves, all looks dark and mirky; provoking fresh elections in October 2015.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    JohnO said:

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
    I am,but come on mr O,Prime minister Miliband - lol

    But I also think we will go backwards under a labour Government.
    And no EU Referendum too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    tyson said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    I've been hearing that from Conservative supporters since October. After the conference... By Christmas.. In January... In February.. Due in March... Once the campaign starts..

    Now, it's due *from* Monday 13th April. Less than 4 weeks before polling day, and when some people will already have started receiving their ballot papers.

    I don't doubt the Tories will pull ahead on votes on the day, but they've totally failed to win the values and brand argument with Labour. That will cost us all very, very heavily.
    I love your doom and gloom Casino. It mirrors exactly what I feel about Labour. I doubt both of us can be right.

    We could be. Perhaps the British public, in their infinite wisdom, will exercise through some strange process of osmosis the result they really want: for both the Conservatives *and* Labour to lose.

    A "sod the lot" of you result, with the Tories and Labour very close in seats, but neither able to form a stable government or do very much with it even if they do.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Terrible reverse double (or is it triple?) swingback - http://goo.gl/9RfFdf

    The sunlit uplands of a blue dawn are looking more and more distant :(
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