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  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Dair said:

    On topic, Ruth Davidson is superb. I wouldn't mind her as UK Tory leader.

    Same here,she's a leader that can think on her feet,more you could say for rest of them.

    I'm still not sure the Tory Shires are ready for a gay PM.
    Why not,the tory party changing fast.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/07/tories-party-ethnic-diversity-labour-bame-mps-race?CMP=share_btn_tw

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    Roger said:

    Speedy

    "I'll wait until after the Blair Witch Project goes away."

    There's no downside for Labour with Blair's intervention (unless of course the Hague police turn up which seems unlikely). He was very good and reminded me quite how mediocre and feeble Cameron is next to someone good

    Almost everyone hates Blair.
    When you receive a public endorsement from a universally hated figure you are bound to lose votes, even Blair knows it, that is why he is out publicly in his endorsement in order to cost Labour the GE, it's one of his old tricks.

    Goodnight.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Serious point - if you've given up hope and have £15k available do your ISA before May 7th - expect Miliband to impose restrictions of some sort (especially if you've already got quite a lot in ISAs).
  • DennisBetsDennisBets Posts: 244
    chestnut said:

    MikeL said:

    Very disappointing polls today for Con.

    Having said that, there have been big outlier polls over Easter / Bank holidays in the past - and neither Populus or YouGov show anything dramatic. Just one more Con voter and Populus would have only been a 1% Lab lead.

    But even so, Con really need better polls over the next 7 days.

    Mike,

    The online polls are generally favourable to LAB.

    I was on the knock yesterday in North London - a through and through Labour area - a quarter of respondents had people in the house on holiday. It's Easter, It's half term.

    Normality starts next week.

    So everyone benefiting from the supposed economic upturn (and therefore voting Tory) were off galavanting when Yougov and populus called... or emailed... oh dear where is crossover?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    SMukesh said:

    Are you a London Tory canvasser?

    No.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    There was a debate on tonight???

    I've just finished watching Peeping Tom on the Horror Channel (Freeview 70)! :open_mouth:
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    chestnut said:

    MikeL said:

    Very disappointing polls today for Con.

    Having said that, there have been big outlier polls over Easter / Bank holidays in the past - and neither Populus or YouGov show anything dramatic. Just one more Con voter and Populus would have only been a 1% Lab lead.

    But even so, Con really need better polls over the next 7 days.

    Mike,

    The online polls are generally favourable to LAB.

    I was on the knock yesterday in North London - a through and through Labour area - a quarter of respondents had people in the house on holiday. It's Easter, It's half term.

    Normality starts next week.

    Yes I know - perfectly reasonable points - but even so it's not great.

    If true position was Con lead of say 0.5% to 1% (as might be indicated by continuation of trend per last weeks ELBOW) then would it be likely we get both Populus and YouGov still showing Lab +2?

    It's possible, but not that likely.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    MikeL said:

    Serious point - if you've given up hope and have £15k available do your ISA before May 7th - expect Miliband to impose restrictions of some sort (especially if you've already got quite a lot in ISAs).

    Make sure your pension is in good order too if you're defined contribution.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Great interview with Gove on Newsnight. I realise now why I used to like him so much when he did the Late Show. Gove genuinely needs a career out of politics.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    edited April 2015

    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
    Have you found out how much your Trusts finances have deteriorated yet?

    You think the 27% rise in Agency is down to lifestyle choice not money though don;t you?

    Why do you think your Trust and 80% of Acutes are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Or are you an empty vessel in respect of explaining this.
    How is Labour going to sort out the Acute Trusts finances?

    How is Labour going to meet the 4 hr target with attendences going up each year?

    How is Labour going to spend the BCT fund?

    How is Labour going to meet the cancer target?

    How is Labour going to reduce the number of agency staff?

    No answers... just a running down of hard working NHS staff by BJO.
    Well Lab has a history of record investment and outcomes so they will IMO.

    They will repeal the HSCB which is biased against Acutes as Primary Care Commissioners invest in Primary Care unsurprisingly as they are primary care providers.

    Do you even know anything about your own Hospitals deficit or have any clue to what you attribute the collapse of Acute hospitals finances?

    None of the problems are down to hard working NHS staff (even coalition supporting ones BTW)
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    MikeL said:

    Serious point - if you've given up hope and have £15k available do your ISA before May 7th - expect Miliband to impose restrictions of some sort (especially if you've already got quite a lot in ISAs).

    Why bother. Miliband will likely be dipping into ISAs.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    RobD said:

    Terrible reverse double (or is it triple?) swingback - http://goo.gl/9RfFdf

    The sunlit uplands of a blue dawn are looking more and more distant :(

    "Don't be a silly boy! There's nothing to be afraid of!"
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    There was a debate on tonight???

    I've just finished watching Peeping Tom on the Horror Channel (Freeview 70)! :open_mouth:


    That is a great movie, and one that Scorcese cites as one of his major influences.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Taken to watching an episode of Twin Peaks each night before bedtime

    A dose of hard gritty reality relative to the spin delusion and fantasy of this sites obsessive twisters
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    I've been hearing that from Conservative supporters since October. After the conference... By Christmas.. In January... In February.. Due in March... Once the campaign starts..

    Now, it's due *from* Monday 13th April. Less than 4 weeks before polling day, and when some people will already have started receiving their ballot papers.

    I don't doubt the Tories will pull ahead on votes on the day, but they've totally failed to win the values and brand argument with Labour. That will cost us all very, very heavily.
    Wish we still had the like button.

    Thanks. I'm frustrated that the Conservative party leader has totally failed to move the country towards Conservative values over the last 5 years.

    In no way do I sense David Cameron has given any answer to the perennial problem that Labour are seen as the party of fairness (even though what I think of Labour and what they've done to this country probably can't be written here) and the Tories as repellent.

    He just hasn't gone out there and grappled with that argument. He hasn't taken to the airwaves. Debated, argued and pushed for the alternative point of view. Fought for what he believes in.

    In fact, he's gone along with it to an extent by denigrating his own activist base and membership. He's been more interested in apologising for Conservative beliefs and policies, either directly or indirectly through triangulation, than defending them.

    It's hardly surprisingly the electorate have concluded he's right. In the end, he just won't get enough votes. The very fact we're arguing about a smidgen of a percentage point here and there, just to eek out another four to five extra seats, to try and get that photo-finish just before Labour do, proves that.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Tim Montgomerie ن ✔ @montie

    Another worrying opinion poll for the Conservatives - https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/585555682792988672 … - tick tock, tick tock

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Well Lab has a history of record investment and outcomes

    No they don't.

    Their record in Wales is cuts and worsening outcomes

    Apart from that, good point...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    RobD said:

    Terrible reverse double (or is it triple?) swingback - http://goo.gl/9RfFdf

    The sunlit uplands of a blue dawn are looking more and more distant :(

    "Don't be a silly boy! There's nothing to be afraid of!"
    Red dawn.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341


    So everyone benefiting from the supposed economic upturn (and therefore voting Tory) were off galavanting when Yougov and populus called... or emailed... oh dear where is crossover?

    It's nothing.

    It's normal.

    People with plenty of money go away. People with some money go out. People with no money, stay home.

    It isn't political in the slightest. It's economics.

    If you do research and you want working people. try nights (avoid fridays) and weekends (especially Sunday evenings). If you want the retired and unemployed, try days - but avoid mornings, especially Mondays (pension day)

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    BBC News (UK) ✔ @BBCNews

    Independent: "Labour to scrap 'non-dom' status" & "Cameron says Lib Dems leaked memo on Sturgeon" pic.twitter.com/adObxWmUXF #BBCPapers #GE2015

    Lib dems leaked memo on sturgeon - lol ,go for the kill SNP ;-)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    There was a debate on tonight???

    I've just finished watching Peeping Tom on the Horror Channel (Freeview 70)! :open_mouth:

    PART WEEK ELBOW TIME
  • Really good interview of Gove by Ewan Davies on Newsnight. Particularly liked the way he asked him where the 'socially caring message' was in the campaign so far as Gove so brilliantly described in his speech for 'The good right' a few weeks back.

    Take note Mr Crosby, take note...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GdnPolitics: SNP could hold independence referendum if it wins in 2016 http://t.co/RnJ3qqDKbz
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    I've been hearing that from Conservative supporters since October. After the conference... By Christmas.. In January... In February.. Due in March... Once the campaign starts..

    Now, it's due *from* Monday 13th April. Less than 4 weeks before polling day, and when some people will already have started receiving their ballot papers.
    Quite. I find the continued confidence of some Tories, and the lack of confidence from Labour supporters, pretty baffling, although at least the Labour supporters have dire polling in Scotland to fuel their pessimism. Tory optimism seems based entirely on what it seems should happen if things were only fair, ignoring that while late shifts can indeed happen, this is getting pretty darn late, and even the things that were supposed to cause a late shift (people actually seeing Ed M) do not appear to have had an impact.

    I will not mind looking a fool for saying the Tories have almost no chance if I am proven wrong, as of the options I would prefer a Cameron premiership, but the 'just you wait' argument is starting to run out of steam I think.
    There's a reason Cameron brought Samantha and the kids along to PMQs the week before last. Because he knows full well it is very likely to be his last.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    MikeK said:

    Tonight I have cut open the belly of a chicken fresh from the farm, scattered it's entrails on my special pagan alter and looked into the political future. Except for the bright purple hilltops and enclaves, all looks dark and mirky; provoking fresh elections in October 2015.

    A bright purple hilltop - a Scottish hilltop, covered in heather. In an SNP constituency.

    You are so right.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415


    BBC News (UK) ✔ @BBCNews

    Independent: "Labour to scrap 'non-dom' status" & "Cameron says Lib Dems leaked memo on Sturgeon" pic.twitter.com/adObxWmUXF #BBCPapers #GE2015

    Lib dems leaked memo on sturgeon - lol ,go for the kill SNP ;-)

    Dave's dropped Carmichael in the shit there lol.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Terrible reverse double (or is it triple?) swingback - http://goo.gl/9RfFdf

    The sunlit uplands of a blue dawn are looking more and more distant :(

    "Don't be a silly boy! There's nothing to be afraid of!"
    Red dawn.
    There are worse things.. purple dawn, for instance :D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    MikeK said:

    Tonight I have cut open the belly of a chicken fresh from the farm, scattered it's entrails on my special pagan alter and looked into the political future. Except for the bright purple hilltops and enclaves, all looks dark and mirky; provoking fresh elections in October 2015.

    Did it fortell 50 UKIP seats ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.

    Carry on Coalition after 8/5/15 one way or another.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Pulpstar

    "Dave's dropped Carmichael in the shit there lol."

    Carmichael announced it himself a couple of days ago didn't he.

    I notice Michael Gove thinks the Tories might win Edinburgh South!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Speedy The left hate Blair and the right hate Blair but the average Brit still thinks he did OK but went off-course on Iraq, that is why they elected him 3 times

    Smukesh Indeed, not much fun with a Miliband government
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.

    WC Boggs?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Populus and YouGov = outliers :sunglasses:
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010



    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
    Have you found out how much your Trusts finances have deteriorated yet?

    You think the 27% rise in Agency is down to lifestyle choice not money though don;t you?

    Why do you think your Trust and 80% of Acutes are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Or are you an empty vessel in respect of explaining this.
    How is Labour going to sort out the Acute Trusts finances?

    How is Labour going to meet the 4 hr target with attendences going up each year?

    How is Labour going to spend the BCT fund?

    How is Labour going to meet the cancer target?

    How is Labour going to reduce the number of agency staff?

    No answers... just a running down of hard working NHS staff by BJO.
    Well Lab has a history of record investment and outcomes so they will IMO.

    They will repeal the HSCB which is biased against Acutes as Primary Care Commissioners invest in Primary Care unsurprisingly as they are primary care providers.

    Do you even know anything about your own Hospitals deficit or have any clue to what you attribute the collapse of Acute hospitals finances?

    None of the problems are down to hard working NHS staff (even coalition supporting ones BTW)
    A large part of the reason acute Trusts are in deficit are because of Labours PFI idiocy.

    Labour does not have any solutions to the ills of the NHS, just a mysterious 8 000 Gps appearing out of thin air funded by a mansion tax.

    But you do not seem to want investment in primary care...

    At least the LDs are honest in wanting to raise taxes to fund the shortfall in NHS funding. Labourites just point at the shortfall without advocating any solution. They either do not have a solution, or are lying about how they will raise taxes.

    The NHS will not be preserved by Labour activists who consistently rubbish the NHS and its hard working staff.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Pulpstar said:


    BBC News (UK) ✔ @BBCNews

    Independent: "Labour to scrap 'non-dom' status" & "Cameron says Lib Dems leaked memo on Sturgeon" pic.twitter.com/adObxWmUXF #BBCPapers #GE2015

    Lib dems leaked memo on sturgeon - lol ,go for the kill SNP ;-)

    Dave's dropped Carmichael in the shit there lol.
    Tories are going after the Lib Dems.Cameron has been campaigning mainly in Tory-Lib Dem battlegrounds recently-Oxford West,Cornwall etc etc.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    isam said:

    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.

    WC Boggs?
    Hortence Withering of this parish (some of the time!)
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Have the tories any big policy announcements ? they need to get on the front foot and Quick.

    The BBC have been lapping up labours new policies and the attacks on the tories for the last 3/4 days and tomorrow will be the non-dom story.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    roadto326 retweeted
    May2015 Election ‏@May2015NS 33m33 minutes ago
    …but LAB lead by only 0.3% (33.9 to 33.6) in our 2-week rolling average of the polls. See http://may2015.com/category/seat-calculator/ ….

    EICIPM with this lot
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.

    WC Boggs?
    Yep. Plenty of toilet humour here...
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    tyson said:

    Great interview with Gove on Newsnight. I realise now why I used to like him so much when he did the Late Show. Gove genuinely needs a career out of politics.

    Pass on the first two bits. But thoroughly concur with the last sentence.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044

    Populus and YouGov = outliers :sunglasses:

    PB Golden Rule, old bean.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Sunil

    "I've just finished watching Peeping Tom on the Horror Channel (Freeview 70)! "

    Good film
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    MikeL said:

    Serious point - if you've given up hope and have £15k available do your ISA before May 7th - expect Miliband to impose restrictions of some sort (especially if you've already got quite a lot in ISAs).

    Why bother. Miliband will likely be dipping into ISAs.
    I doubt it actually.

    I know it would make a good partisan point to pretend he will but it's pretty hard to see what could be done retrospectively.

    As with most things he'll do what's easy. I would think a straightforward limit on how much you can have in ISAs - probably set at either £50k or £100k. But anything already in an ISA remains in an ISA.

    I think that's what has happened when the maximum pension fund limit has been reduced - they haven't gone back and "de-pensioned" anything.
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    Scott_P said:

    @GdnPolitics: SNP could hold independence referendum if it wins in 2016 http://t.co/RnJ3qqDKbz

    It's passing strange that one of the biggest topics on a debate about an election in four weeks' time is what a party may have in their manifesto for another election next year. A lot of the campaign has been about devolved issues, too - particularly the NHS. It seems people aren't that interested in Westminster.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    I think I said before the weekend that we shouldn't read too much into the polls until the end of this week.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    I think I said before the weekend that we shouldn't read too much into the polls until the end of this week.

    Falling on deaf ears but its so true. I said next Monday but at least the weekend. Thing is loads of pple are away with kids. Need to see the shakedown next week.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    JohnO said:

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
    I am,but come on mr O,Prime minister Miliband - lol

    But I also think we will go backwards under a labour Government.
    And no EU Referendum too.
    A Miliband-led government will make Francois Hollande look like George Washington. He will use his elected platform to pursue the narrow cultural-marxist obsessions of his cabal, splashing cash on his special interests, whilst practising economic illiteracy with a zealotry that would make Michael Foot blush.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if within 6 months the British public come to bitterly regret their decision, and no-one admits to ever voting for him, but by then it'll be too late.

    This is too depressing. I'm going to bed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Roger said:

    Pulpstar

    "Dave's dropped Carmichael in the shit there lol."

    Carmichael announced it himself a couple of days ago didn't he.

    I notice Michael Gove thinks the Tories might win Edinburgh South!

    Ian Murray is on my list of about the last 5 Labour MPs surviving in Scotland
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010



    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
    Have you found out how much your Trusts finances have deteriorated yet?

    You think the 27% rise in Agency is down to lifestyle choice not money though don;t you?

    Why do you think your Trust and 80% of Acutes are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Or are you an empty vessel in respect of explaining this.
    How is Labour going to sort out the Acute Trusts finances?

    How is Labour going to meet the 4 hr target with attendences going up each year?

    How is Labour going to spend the BCT fund?

    How is Labour going to meet the cancer target?

    How is Labour going to reduce the number of agency staff?

    No answers... just a running down of hard working NHS staff by BJO.
    Well Lab has a history of record investment and outcomes so they will IMO.

    They will repeal the HSCB which is biased against Acutes as Primary Care Commissioners invest in Primary Care unsurprisingly as they are primary care providers.

    Do you even know anything about your own Hospitals deficit or have any clue to what you attribute the collapse of Acute hospitals finances?

    None of the problems are down to hard working NHS staff (even coalition supporting ones BTW)

    The NHS will not be preserved by Labour activists who consistently rubbish the NHS and its hard working staff.
    Find one post where I have blamed hard working staff.

    or defended PFI.

    The LDs supported Lansley Nuff Said
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Alex Belardinelli @abelardinelli

    Osborne's press conf went well then... RT @suttonnick: i front page: Child benefit axe warning for 4 million families pic.twitter.com/F9UeJfR2Tq

  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    I'm told that there was a story in the F.T. today about serious NHS financial problems. They are greater than would be expected, given the increase in spending.

    From what I heard, they have been attributed to the 2012 Health and Social Care Act (also known as the top-down re-organisation).
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    JohnO said:

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
    I am,but come on mr O,Prime minister Miliband - lol

    But I also think we will go backwards under a labour Government.
    And no EU Referendum too.
    A Miliband-led government will make Francois Hollande look like George Washington. He will use his elected platform to pursue the narrow cultural-marxist obsessions of his cabal, splashing cash on his special interests, whilst practising economic illiteracy with a zealotry that would make Michael Foot blush.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if within 6 months the British public come to bitterly regret their decision, and no-one admits to ever voting for him, but by then it'll be too late.

    This is too depressing. I'm going to bed.
    But dear old Ralph would be proud.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy The left hate Blair and the right hate Blair but the average Brit still thinks he did OK but went off-course on Iraq, that is why they elected him 3 times

    No he slipped away before the british people had a chance to hammer him in the polls which i think they wouldve. Brown may be derided but he gave labour a big poll lift when he was elected. Blair had become toxic as hell. Like Maggie.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.

    WC Boggs?
    Yep. Plenty of toilet humour here...
    Hattie Jacques budgie probably should write a guest slot on here with its electiontips
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Jeremy Cliffe @JeremyCliffe

    Duncan Bannatyne, who signed the pro-Tory letter, appears to have switched to Labour following non-dom annoucement. https://twitter.com/DuncanBannatyn

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044


    Alex Belardinelli @abelardinelli

    Osborne's press conf went well then... RT @suttonnick: i front page: Child benefit axe warning for 4 million families pic.twitter.com/F9UeJfR2Tq

    Osborne's deputy at the Treasury. So that'd be a LD?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Casino, maybe the simple fact of the matter is that Dave doesn't passionately believe in anything other than Dave being prime minister? He seems to have few convictions or guiding principles, which explains the complete incoherence in Tory message since 2005.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Roger said:

    Sunil

    "I've just finished watching Peeping Tom on the Horror Channel (Freeview 70)! "

    Good film

    I saw a documentary on Scorcese, and he referenced Peeping Tom on a number of occasions. I watched Bird (Eastwood's Charlie Parker biopic), last night, and found it sublime. Eastwood's filmmaking is as good as Leans, Ford et al. Eastwood really stands out as one of the greats of American directing. How he can be so compassionate in his work, and a supporter of GOP baffles me.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,165
    edited April 2015
    Roger said:


    Carmichael announced it himself a couple of days ago didn't he.

    Unless you're taking the position that the civil servants in the Scotland Office are a festering nest of LDs, he really didn't.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171

    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010



    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
    Have you found out how much your Trusts finances have deteriorated yet?

    You think the 27% rise in Agency is down to lifestyle choice not money though don;t you?

    Why do you think your Trust and 80% of Acutes are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Or are you an empty vessel in respect of explaining this.
    How is Labour going to sort out the Acute Trusts finances?

    How is Labour going to meet the 4 hr target with attendences going up each year?

    How is Labour going to spend the BCT fund?

    How is Labour going to meet the cancer target?

    How is Labour going to reduce the number of agency staff?

    No answers... just a running down of hard working NHS staff by BJO.
    Well Lab has a history of record investment and outcomes so they will IMO.

    They will repeal the HSCB which is biased against Acutes as Primary Care Commissioners invest in Primary Care unsurprisingly as they are primary care providers.

    Do you even know anything about your own Hospitals deficit or have any clue to what you attribute the collapse of Acute hospitals finances?

    None of the problems are down to hard working NHS staff (even coalition supporting ones BTW)

    The NHS will not be preserved by Labour activists who consistently rubbish the NHS and its hard working staff.
    Find one post where I have blamed hard working staff.

    or defended PFI.

    The LDs supported Lansley Nuff Said
    Why do people always refer to Nhs staff as hardworking. I never hear someone say hardworking electricians or hardworking bus driver. Are all Nhs staff hardworking ?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.

    It's not as good as "I'm Alright Jack" but it still captures an entire era of Labour rule and why that party proved to be such an inept, nepotistic failure.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015


    BBC News (UK) ✔ @BBCNews

    Independent: "Labour to scrap 'non-dom' status" & "Cameron says Lib Dems leaked memo on Sturgeon" pic.twitter.com/adObxWmUXF #BBCPapers #GE2015

    Lib dems leaked memo on sturgeon - lol ,go for the kill SNP ;-)

    It was said at the time, it was far too amateur a leak for it to likely have come from Labour or Tories.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Latest Poll of Polls:

    Labour 34%

    Tories 32%

    Ukip 14.5%

    Lib Dems 9%

    Greens 4.5%

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Duncan Bannatyne ✔ @DuncanBannatyne

    Ed Milliband says he will abolish non-dom status in UK. This gets my vote I never thought any party would have courage to do this

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Purseybear Actually polls showed Labour would have polled higher under Blair than the 29% they got under Brown, Major was a shift to the centre after Thatcher, Brown a shift to the left
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    currystar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010



    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
    Have you found out how much your Trusts finances have deteriorated yet?

    You think the 27% rise in Agency is down to lifestyle choice not money though don;t you?

    Why do you think your Trust and 80% of Acutes are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Or are you an empty vessel in respect of explaining this.
    How is Labour going to sort out the Acute Trusts finances?

    How is Labour going to meet the 4 hr target with attendences going up each year?

    How is Labour going to spend the BCT fund?

    How is Labour going to meet the cancer target?

    How is Labour going to reduce the number of agency staff?

    No answers... just a running down of hard working NHS staff by BJO.
    Well Lab has a history of record investment and outcomes so they will IMO.

    They will repeal the HSCB which is biased against Acutes as Primary Care Commissioners invest in Primary Care unsurprisingly as they are primary care providers.

    Do you even know anything about your own Hospitals deficit or have any clue to what you attribute the collapse of Acute hospitals finances?

    None of the problems are down to hard working NHS staff (even coalition supporting ones BTW)

    The NHS will not be preserved by Labour activists who consistently rubbish the NHS and its hard working staff.
    Find one post where I have blamed hard working staff.

    or defended PFI.

    The LDs supported Lansley Nuff Said
    Why do people always refer to Nhs staff as hardworking. I never hear someone say hardworking electricians or hardworking bus driver. Are all Nhs staff hardworking ?
    YES especially Foxinsoxuk!!
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%, GRN 5%

    Fux sake.
    Like I said,labour have had a good 3/4 days and with the front of the guardian story,more good news.
    We can make all the excuses we want: if the Tories are to stay in power, they should be starting to post consistent leads by now.

    There is less than THIRTY days to go. Labour leads shouldn't even be featuring.
    Chill.

    Wait until post easter bank holiday. Polls from next Monday.
    Wish we still had the like button.

    Thanks. I'm frustrated that the Conservative party leader has totally failed to move the country towards Conservative values over the last 5 years.

    In no way do I sense David Cameron has given any answer to the perennial problem that Labour are seen as the party of fairness (even though what I think of Labour and what they've done to this country probably can't be written here) and the Tories as repellent.

    He just hasn't gone out there and grappled with that argument. He hasn't taken to the airwaves. Debated, argued and pushed for the alternative point of view. Fought for what he believes in.

    In fact, he's gone along with it to an extent by denigrating his own activist base and membership. He's been more interested in apologising for Conservative beliefs and policies, either directly or indirectly through triangulation, than defending them.

    It's hardly surprisingly the electorate have concluded he's right. In the end, he just won't get enough votes. The very fact we're arguing about a smidgen of a percentage point here and there, just to eek out another four to five extra seats, to try and get that photo-finish just before Labour do, proves that.
    You seem muddled. In your first para you bemoan lack of tory values and suggest labour are party of fairness. But as Theresa May pointed out tory values don't equate to fairness they equate to nastiness. So Cameron has been right about his activist base.

    anyway off to bed. all those people getting over excited about todays polls should remember the yougov after debate No.1. Wait til after the easter hols. unpopular message to repeat but it needs to be said.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Just been talking down Basil from the top of a bridge, said he was going to jump off. When he was placed in the ambulance he mumbled something about "Rod Crosby and his effing swingback". So, err, what have I missed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015


    Duncan Bannatyne ✔ @DuncanBannatyne

    Ed Milliband says he will abolish non-dom status in UK. This gets my vote I never thought any party would have courage to do this

    The Labour supporter in him has risen again over Easter...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,569
    Anecdotally, we did a deep Tory ward today, and were startled by the lack of enthusiasm of the Tory vote - not many Con->Lab or Lab->Con switchers, but numerous 2010 Tory voters saying they really weren't sure if they'd vote this time, or who for. As one said, "It's not clear to me that Mr Cameron wants to take us anywhere in particular - I feel we're just marking time. I'm not yet convinced by Miliband but he does seem to have more drive than our chap, perhaps he deserves a shot at it."
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Dair said:

    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.

    It's not as good as "I'm Alright Jack" but it still captures an entire era of Labour rule and why that party proved to be such an inept, nepotistic failure.
    Tory rule, surely?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Duncan Bannatyne ✔ @DuncanBannatyne

    Ed Milliband says he will abolish non-dom status in UK. This gets my vote I never thought any party would have courage to do this

    149 top businessmen support Tories
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/labour-would-abolish-non-dom-tax-status "a spokesman for Ed. Milliband said 'UK citizens should pay tax on all gains, anywhere in the world'". Which if correct means it wouldn't apply to the likes of Lakshmi Mittal as he is not a British citizen, and presumably wouldn't bother to become one either.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    JohnO said:

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
    I am,but come on mr O,Prime minister Miliband - lol

    But I also think we will go backwards under a labour Government.
    And no EU Referendum too.
    A Miliband-led government will make Francois Hollande look like George Washington. He will use his elected platform to pursue the narrow cultural-marxist obsessions of his cabal, splashing cash on his special interests, whilst practising economic illiteracy with a zealotry that would make Michael Foot blush.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if within 6 months the British public come to bitterly regret their decision, and no-one admits to ever voting for him, but by then it'll be too late.

    This is too depressing. I'm going to bed.

    Casino, comrade. You believe far too much in right wing politics. It's quite dangerous. Just put yourself in the position of a badger in the West Country to realise just how important politics can be. And they don't vote.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171

    Anecdotally, we did a deep Tory ward today, and were startled by the lack of enthusiasm of the Tory vote - not many Con->Lab or Lab->Con switchers, but numerous 2010 Tory voters saying they really weren't sure if they'd vote this time, or who for. As one said, "It's not clear to me that Mr Cameron wants to take us anywhere in particular - I feel we're just marking time. I'm not yet convinced by Miliband but he does seem to have more drive than our chap, perhaps he deserves a shot at it."

    In all your reports from the doorstep you have never ever reported anyone saying anything positive about the tories. You must be heading for a 10000 majority
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited April 2015
    HYUFD said:

    Purseybear Actually polls showed Labour would have polled higher under Blair than the 29% they got under Brown, Major was a shift to the centre after Thatcher, Brown a shift to the left

    lovely idea but untrue

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2005-2010

    Gordon Brown elected leader 24th June 2007. Labour poll lift from low 30's to 40's a rise of 10% above Blair. So much so people even talked about an autumn election, which he might've won.
  • MaxPB said:

    Worst Quarterly Performance for a decade by NHS A&E.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    NHS temporary staff costs up 27% in a year.

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    50% more people waiting over 18 weeks than in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Cancer targets missed for 5th successive quarter

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit compared to 1% in 2010

    Are we allowed to mention that or will it be weaponising the NHS

    Has the Welsh NHS published any NHS statistics yet or are Labour still covering it up.
    Welsh tourettes will not save the Toties on the state of the English NHS IMO
    The absence of a Labour solution may do so though. BJO keeps trashing the NHS but does not say what Miliband will do differently.

    An empty vessel makes the most noise.
    Have you found out how much your Trusts finances have deteriorated yet?

    You think the 27% rise in Agency is down to lifestyle choice not money though don;t you?

    Why do you think your Trust and 80% of Acutes are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Or are you an empty vessel in respect of explaining this.
    How is Labour going to sort out the Acute Trusts finances?

    How is Labour going to meet the 4 hr target with attendences going up each year?

    How is Labour going to spend the BCT fund?

    How is Labour going to meet the cancer target?

    How is Labour going to reduce the number of agency staff?

    No answers... just a running down of hard working NHS staff by BJO.
    Well Lab has a history of record investment and outcomes so they will IMO.

    They will repeal the HSCB which is biased against Acutes as Primary Care Commissioners invest in Primary Care unsurprisingly as they are primary care providers.

    Do you even know anything about your own Hospitals deficit or have any clue to what you attribute the collapse of Acute hospitals finances?

    None of the problems are down to hard working NHS staff (even coalition supporting ones BTW)
    Have Labour actually promised to repeal Lansley's bill? I'm not sure another top down organisation will help. Of course, they may not have the votes to make any major changes if the SNP abstain on English health bills.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371


    Duncan Bannatyne ✔ @DuncanBannatyne

    Ed Milliband says he will abolish non-dom status in UK. This gets my vote I never thought any party would have courage to do this

    The Labour supporter in him has risen again over Easter...
    I bow to the PB Hodges, THIS is the swingback they keep going on about.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Latest Poll of Polls:

    Labour 34%

    Tories 32%

    Ukip 14.5%

    Lib Dems 9%

    Greens 4.5%

    Poll of polls since when? ELBOW for week-ending 5th April covered 13 polls, and gave the Blues a 0.38% lead.

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/585149148980187136
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    numerous 2010 Tory voters saying they really weren't sure if they'd vote this time,

    That's what happens when you knock on polite people's doors.

    The less polite just tell you to piss off because they don't mind being rude.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Latest Poll of Polls:

    Labour 34%

    Tories 32%

    Ukip 14.5%

    Lib Dems 9%

    Greens 4.5%

    Poll of polls since when? ELBOW for week-ending 5th April covered 13 polls, and gave the Blues a 0.38% lead.

    twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/585149148980187136
    Sexy colour change there. Shame it won't last :(
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    EICIPM to remove Non Dom status

    Expect LARGER to be bad for LAB
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Pulpstar said:


    Roger said:

    Pulpstar

    "Dave's dropped Carmichael in the shit there lol."

    Carmichael announced it himself a couple of days ago didn't he.

    I notice Michael Gove thinks the Tories might win Edinburgh South!

    Ian Murray is on my list of about the last 5 Labour MPs surviving in Scotland


    Bain, Murphy, Greatrex, Clarke, Murray
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Debate audience was
    60 Labour
    60 SNP
    30 Undecided
    30 LibDem
    30 Con

    Representative sample for age, social class etc

    Result

    NS 55%
    JM 36%
    RD 8%
    WR 1%


    This from the other unmentionable site. If correct - and it seems the best we have - then two things emerge.

    I am not surprised by Murphy loosing ground.He really is obnoxious. Nor am I surpised by Rennie. He would giev the most forbearing person indegestion!

    I am not surprised by the sainted Nicola - she looks and sounds the best.

    I am only surprised by the poor result for Davidson. I thought she was a clear second. However the Tories are toxic.

    Anyway if this is correct then I would be uncorking the whisky if I were the NATS.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015

    http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/labour-would-abolish-non-dom-tax-status "a spokesman for Ed. Milliband said 'UK citizens should pay tax on all gains, anywhere in the world'". Which if correct means it wouldn't apply to the likes of Lakshmi Mittal as he is not a British citizen, and presumably wouldn't bother to become one either.

    Hold on...isn't that the issue with most non-doms that live here? The opposite way around i.e they don't live here, could they just not give up their British Citizenship?

    And that isn't what the headlines infers.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Ukip linking Dave to Tone via Daves idolisation

    Patrick O'Flynn (@oflynnmep)
    07/04/2015 22:38
    Ukip back up to 14% on YouGov tonight. Probably not what the Heir to Blair had in mind when he made his "come home" plea.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    George Eaton ✔ @georgeeaton

    @afneil Labour say "hundreds of millions" - calculation not shown


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    @georgeeaton WELL THAT's clear!

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Dair said:

    I see "Carry on at Your Convenience" is on ITV in a few minutes. It was a rare Carry on flop (probably for taking the mickey from the workers rather than the bosses) but I do rather like it. It reminds me of the England of my youth, despite all the strikes etc the Seventies were good times.

    It's not as good as "I'm Alright Jack" but it still captures an entire era of Labour rule and why that party proved to be such an inept, nepotistic failure.
    Tory rule, surely?
    I think that "Carry on at your Convenience" was released under the Heath government. But all Seventies governments blend into one.

    Some great background detail though, the workers are out on strike over restrictions on tea breaks...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    JohnO said:

    Cameron and Osborne need to show some sunny uplands instead of mostly cuts,get on the front foot for fcuk sake.

    I thought you were a kipper.
    I am,but come on mr O,Prime minister Miliband - lol

    But I also think we will go backwards under a labour Government.
    And no EU Referendum too.
    A Miliband-led government will make Francois Hollande look like George Washington. He will use his elected platform to pursue the narrow cultural-marxist obsessions of his cabal, splashing cash on his special interests, whilst practising economic illiteracy with a zealotry that would make Michael Foot blush.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if within 6 months the British public come to bitterly regret their decision, and no-one admits to ever voting for him, but by then it'll be too late.

    This is too depressing. I'm going to bed.
    You should go to mattforde.com and take a listen to the podcast of his show w Portillo... V interesting
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited April 2015
    tom bradby ✔ @tombradby

    The Tories are going to have a very hard day tomorrow if they try to defend non dom status. They would be better off conceding now.

    Could this new policy be game changer for labour ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    Duncan Bannatyne ✔ @DuncanBannatyne

    Ed Milliband says he will abolish non-dom status in UK. This gets my vote I never thought any party would have courage to do this

    149 top businessmen support Tories

    Another 30 have joined the 149 apparently.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044

    tom bradby ✔ @tombradby

    The Tories are going to have a very hard day tomorrow if they try to defend non dom status. They would be better off conceding now.

    Could this new policy be game changer for labour ?

    non-dom status the thing that turns the election? Hm, call me skeptical, but I doubt it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015

    tom bradby ✔ @tombradby

    The Tories are going to have a very hard day tomorrow if they try to defend non dom status. They would be better off conceding now.

    Could this new policy be game changer for labour ?

    Depends if it stands up to closer examination. I would say a lot harder than it sounds to just say non-doms pay your tax where you live, hence why the non-dom "charge".
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Twitter full of desperate Nats saying Sturgeon won debate. It's that cult thing again. Even when leader loses, claim victory. Creepy.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Result

    NS 55%
    JM 36%
    RD 8%
    WR 1%

    F-ing joke result - lol
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited April 2015
    Looks like it's only British non doms that are being targeted....


    @Samfr: This looks like the crucial paragraph in the "Labour to scrap non-dom status story" http://t.co/O2P8Kuh3av http://t.co/gRukZlTraZ



    Labour will stress that foreigners in the UK for a genuine temporary short period will be able to retain non-dom status. The party intends to consult on the length of that period if it wins the election.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,165
    Tommy Ball ‏@tommy_ball 15 mins15 minutes ago
    Michael Gove on #Newsnight: "in a Scottish Labour/SNP marginal seat, I ask you to vote Scottish Labour, who believe in the United Kingdom".

    SNPout
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044


    George Eaton ✔ @georgeeaton

    @afneil Labour say "hundreds of millions" - calculation not shown


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    @georgeeaton WELL THAT's clear!

    I do like Neil:

    Andrew NeilVerified account
    @afneil
    The Daily Politics is BACK!!!! NOW on BBC2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    If the non Dom thing is such a great idea why has no one ended it before?
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